It was truly brilliant. I was hoping it’d went down like a samurai film and it did. The fact that they made Obi-Wan change stances truly was a big brain move. That’s depth man.
I was really baffled at first cause it was begging for a big showdown again and when it ended so quickly i felt lost in thought. Watched it back a few times and i noticed so many things and was so blown away by what I missed. So little, showed bigger- it was perfect, has some much depth in a 30 second clip than most stuff SW does, it was brilliantly made!!
MH is an actor who reads a script and delivers lines. He's not the authority on what is or is not Luke Skywalker. TLJ gave him a proper character arc instead of just rubber-stamping who he was so long ago. A mini-fall and redemption so breathtaking and beautifully thought out...fuck MH for not getting it.
@@the_meridian I love how you completely disrespect the man who played Luke Skywalker, and who grew up with this Role and this Franchise always staying to it and its Fans contrary to someone like Harrison Ford. I wouldnt call it a proper Charakter Arch to randomly turn one of the greatest Heroes in Cinemahistory who had a long and rocky way to becoming a Jedi Knight, into someone who trys to murder a Boy in his Sleep because he had a Bad dream. It is simply dishonorable and definately not a way to evolve an Old charakter. Mark Hamill has every right in not agreeing with this Role and if you liked The Last Jedi, good for you, but you propably shouldnt just go around and Insult the people who made this Franchise what it is today, because they dont like they way it wents. It is just completely disrespectful and unnecessary
@@painkillerauflauf5770 Why do I need to respect actors? They do pretty well for what they do. He'll be okay. Now, about you, it becomes clear why you don't like the character arc. Yoiu have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of what you watched. Luke did not "Try" to kill his nephew. No, he was *tempted* to kill his nephew because of his strength and the dark side he could clearly sense was brewing in him. He withheld himself from the temptation, but did not clear the scene before Kylo saw him hovering over him, unfortunately. OJ Simpson was once considered a hero. Lance Armstrong. Pete Rose. Heroes are people with flaws. They do not achieve perfection and then remain in statis for the rest of their lives. Now that you understand, you've taken your first step into a larger world. And F MH btw.
You are taking that entirely out of context. Mark said that is how he felt when he first read the script but that once they explained what was going on and the journey Luke was going on, then he understood.
I disagree with Luke appearing as an force ghost and antagonizing Ben, which is opposite of what he did with his father. Luke would never abandon Ben, knowing there's still light within him.
Luke didn’t abandon Ben. Proof: Ben lived to be redeemed. What Luke did was prioritize the fate of the galaxy over that of his nephew - *without killing his nephew* so that he’d still have a shot at redemption. It’s a different circumstance than with Vader. In order to save the galaxy over Endor, Luke *had* to redeem his father or they could not have beaten Palps. (He also stayed his hand because to kill him in anger would be to fall. If that scene had gone down differently, maybe Luke never loses his cool and he kills Vader out of calm necessity…then gets bodied by the most powerful Sith in millennia.)
Luke's depiction in TLJ is totally in keeping with his depiction in the original trilogy did... did you watch the original trilogy? We're talking about the guy who had so much faith in Vader that he bet his life on it. Even after seeing Vader murder his mentor in front of him. After Vader cut off his hand. After hearing about how Vader tortured his friends. Even after all that, even while being tortured by Palpatine, he refused to give up and refused to believe that Vader was beyond redemption. Yeah... that sounds like the same guy who considered murdering his nephew in his sleep.
I totally agree with you guys, the last jedi totally butchered Luke's character. It also shows that RJ does not understand the force and that goes for anyone who likes what he did with Luke. Luke would never have tried to kill Ben because to do so would have pushed himself down the path to the dark side. The very thing that he had been afraid Ben was heading. Luke would have tried everything but that to save Ben. This TH-camr is entitled to his opinion on the last jedi, he can like it if he wants to, it does show that he has bad taste as it is objectively the worst star wars movie ever.
This is where you realise what culture star wars really are just a cynical bunch who can’t help but troll the sort of people their videos are aimed at.
Yeah trying to kill his own nephew was something that never really made sense to me but the way I think about it, Luke has tapped into the dark side before, during his fight with Vader in RoTJ when he threatened to turn Leia to the dark instead of Luke. I guess afterwards as he was trying to recreate the Jedi Order he became obsessed with making it perfect, making sure it was stronger than the one before. So when he saw his nephew’s future he realised that this is exactly what happened to Anakin, whose turn led to the destruction of the Jedi. In that moment of darkness he saw Ben as a threat to the Jedi Order he created and decided to eliminate the darkness instead of redeeming it to the light like he did to his father. So afterwards when Ben destroyed the Jedi Order, Luke realised this is basically how his father turned and just lost faith in himself and the Jedi Order, believing if he couldn’t fix it then it should just die. Also there was no way he’d be able to face Leia. That’s why he went to hide on Ahch-To. Anyways IK the whole Luke Skywalker in TLJ doesn’t make sense but this is how I see it.
@@jules7729 I think the thing that upsets me most is how easy the fix is. Instead of giving up on his nephew he ignored several warning signs. He refused to give up his belief that his nephew could be saved, but in the end the lure of the dark side was too strong. Despite his best efforts Ben fell anyway and Luke is now plagued by self doubt and guilt. This not only gives a more plausible reason why Luke is such a grumpy old hermit without eviscerating his character but it also sets Ben up as a super menacing villain. He's so far gone not even Luke can save him, and that's a claim that even Vader can't make. Change a few lines of dialog and you restore Luke's character, too bad TLJ wasn't made by star wars fans
what about the time when young Han Solo puts the H sideways trying to spell his name in The Yoda Chronicles when trying to disguise himself as a kid on tour at the jedi temple? goddamn genius
For example 1, the "High ground" in Episode 3 is one of the best moments in the entire franchise. Obi Wan and Anakin weren't like Kenobi and Darth Maul or any other opponents we saw in the Star Wars movies because they basically trained each other for years and years. They were both masters of quite different lightsaber forms (I honestly don't remember which are which), but they knew each other's tendencies better than anyone else. Obi Wan was a master of the defensive style, Anakin was much more aggressive and offensively-minded. Taking the high ground gave Obi Wan's tendency to defend a clear advantage. This elevation and distance would give Kenobi plenty of time to counter any attack. I'd argue, Kenobi never expected Anakin to go for such a risky move, and showed Obi Wan again that he was not Anakin anymore.
The high ground means virtually nothing in this situation. All Anakin had to do was hop off the platform and continue fighting. The person below on an incline actually has the advantage as they don't have to defend their legs. The guy on higher ground has to learn forward and stretch to protect themselves because the arms are attached to the upper body. Maul could have killed Kenobi twice in episode one with the flick of the wrist as he tried to jump over him at the beginning and end of the fight. The same again when he jumps over Grievous in episode 3. It's only until right at the end someone figures out trying to jump over an opponent with a lightsaber is a really bad idea.
@@restock_1731 clearly green milk is NOT Star Wars, but Blue Milk is. He should be drinking MidiChorian rich Tang or something, I guess, to make dumb fans happy.
"Luke's depiction in TLJ was masterful and totally in keeping with his depiction in the original trilogy." ... blink if Rian Johnson has you hostage. Oof, Mark Hamill himself has said several times that he didn't think that Luke in TLJ made any sense.
Some parts of Luke made sense. I think it makes sense that he lost faith in the Jedi order and refused to train Rey but I don't buy that he wouldn't do what he could to try and protect his sister, especially after finding out that Han died.
The backlash against that movie has and will continue to age much worse and faster than the movie itself. I personally consider it the best of the Sequel Trilogy.
@@notmyrealname453 And that's fine, but what ages even worse is the constant need for some people to always find a way to shoehorn in a "you're wrong for not liking it".
@@RandomAct If you don't like it, that's okay. I should clarify that I only mean parts of the backlash, like what happened to Kelly Marie Tran or people sending death threats. That is the stuff that will be looked backed on with disgust. Again, I don't think you're wrong for hating the movie. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I hate The Rise of Skywalker but I don't hate any of the filmmakers or actors who made it, nor do I hate anyone who does like it.
Ummmmmmmmm, Luke attacking Ben because he felt the dark side in him is NOT part of Luke’s character. That was Ruin Johnson being a piece of shit that wanted to “SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS” xD
Han's apparent decision to abandon the Rebels at Yavin. He knew his ship was tracked and why. So by leaving the Rebel base he might be able to draw the Death Star after him. When it was obvious that this wasn't going to work, why not circle back and lend a hand in the battle? If he hadn't Luke would have been just a paint smear in the trench.
@@jakewatson668 Consider that it defies a key part of what Luke did in Return of the Jedi. Explain how Luke can go from trying to bring someone back from the the Dark Side who has aided in the rise of the Empire, Genocide, and the destruction of a planet, to deciding that because he senses darkness in his nephew who did literally nothing remotely close to that yet, should be killed without reason?
Wish we could respond with images and gifs on TH-cam because I would have used the “annoyingly remove headphones” image in response to this part of the video.
to be fair the entire army of the republic is one giant war crime. not only do they use child soldiers they are also using slave soldiers. say what you want about the separatists but they had a far more ethical army using droids. the galactic republic could have easily shifted away from clones and into conscription after the battle of geonosis but refused and the jedi ignored this. then again the jedi also used child soldiers and had alot of similarities to the clones so maybe they did not even notice how immoral this really was.
I thought it was about the smartest decisions whilst making the film. The top two ones have to be Alec Guiness taking royalties off the Star Wars revenue instead of a fixed salary like the rest of the cast. And him saying that "laser sword" wasn't such a great name and instead suggesting that "light saber" would be better.
It goes to show how much Obi wan has grown. Maul killed his master and the woman he loved, and yet in his final moments obi wan shows him kindness. Before he dies, and For the first time in a very long time, maul is not alone
I will add one more thing to The high ground theory. One of my friends pointed this out so I cannot take credit for it. In Return of the Jedi when Luke Skywalker duals Darth Vader Luke is standing at the top of the stairwell Vader looks up at him pauses and says Obi-Wan has taught you well. At this point Luke has taken The high ground and Vader has to come to him. It brings everything from revenge of the sith and The phantom menace full circle. I don't know if that was Lucas intent but whether it was or not is just amazing that has happened anyway.
Darth Biinks! Think about it. Playing the fool he survived every battle in the prequels. Was seemingly manipulated into the Senate and walked away unscathed after the clone wars. It's a popular subversive theory that's often been explored, but nowhere near Cannon, of course.
The number one smartest decision in the Star Wars Universe was when Luke took C3PO's suggestion to swap to R2D2 from R5D4 after that one's motivator exploded.
Can we mention off topic from the video how amazing obiwan is after all the stuff maul caused throughout the clone wars and killing quigon he still sits there with him holding maul as he dies. That is true respect of your rival.
What about the Ultimate Smartest Decision In Star Wars History? Jedi Grand Masters John & Dave keeping Darth Kathy and her minions away from The Mandolorian. Bringing back Luke Skywalker to save the day at the end of season 2.
I am so exhausted hearing about the death star plot hole. It was an exhaust port that was heavily defended by anything considered a threat. And Luke only accomplished the goal the will of the Force personified in Obi Wan. All other pilot are picked off by the turrets.
Also there was no franchise planned when the film was shot, the hero was han for returning and blasting the TIE fighter and making the other spin into Vader and send him spinning off like a washing machine. There is an endless points on the fact that are contrary to this exact plot hole (I'm agreeing with you btw)
Qui Gon also had knowledge of what Dooku did as well, and could have predicted order 66 given the knowledge of using Jango Fett as a clone template. Many Jedi at the time didn't know who Jango Fett was and if they did there would have been NO WAY for him to be used as a clone template. In the comics he was a killer of Jedi and Master Dooku at the time knew that. Qui Gon could have used that knowledge to raise suspicions about the clone army before it was too late.
Nothing…nothing….from sequels belong on this list until we get “Disney allows Filoni and Favareau to delete the sequels from existence as an alternate time line having established in Rebels that Ezra Bridger can step outside time and alter history”.
Its not about the higher ground he stands on, its about the emotional higher ground obiwan is standing on. In my opinion it was a very special way to tell anakin to chill down.
The Force projection only worked because the First Order is stupid as hell. Seriously, ground forces could've circled around the "fight" and chased the remaining Resistance. It's not like Jake could've stopped them.
no lukes depiction in episode 8 is not an accurate depiction of his character. literally every one else including mark hamil can see that so would you just wake up already ffs. luke cared about his friends and family more than anything else. he cared about them more than the Jedi, more than the rebellion, and more than the entire galaxy. this is why luke was willing to drop every thing to go to help his friends or family when he felt they needed them. he dropped his jedi training to go save han and leia on cloud city and he dropped his mission with the rebellion to go confront his father with the goal of turning him back to the darkside. its important to not that the second luke found out who vader was his goal shifted from killing him to saving him purely because vader was his father. no matter how much fear he had he never got to the point where he would kill a family member even when the fear is for the survival of another family member as we see in lukes final confrontation with vader when Vader says he will go after leia prompting luke to dip into the dark side but only going as far as disarming vader. another important aspect of luke is how he represents hope in the galaxy. he is literally the new hope and from his initial appearance he is always looking toward the horizon at a brighter future. lukes has so much hope that he refuses to give up hope for his father even when the rest of the galaxy and every one who actually knew the guy already had. and can you blame them he was space hitler. but luke saw that there was aa glimmer of light left in his father and held onto the hope that he could use that to turn his father back against all odds. luke in the last jedi turns his back on the entire galaxy, goes to a planet nobody can find to die,, refuses to come back to help his sister who is being chased by the first order despite finding out they had already killed his best friend, and becomes so hopeless he literally decides to burn everything down. oh and the reason for him becoming this hopeless is because he sensed that his nefew might fall to the dark side and got super scared so he tried to kill him in his sleep. cuz you know the guy who refused to give up on space hitler is totally going to try to kill his nephew because he has the chance of becoming space hitler 2.0 instead of trying to guide him away from that path. guese killing kids just runs in the family am i right. the luke in the last jedi is literally the polar opposite of the luke in the original trilogy. he does things ot luke would never do and they use that to justify him becoming the complete opposite of ot luke. this makes no sense people need to stop trying to defend it. i have always said you can like bad movies and that is fine, you can even gloss over their mistakes and say you dont really care. but you must acknowledge they are mistakes and stop trying to excuse them other wise the mistakes will never be addressed in the future. "if you make a mistake and refuse to correct it then that is a second mistake". i like the prequels. i acknowledge they have shitty dialogue, the acting at times comes off as cringe, and jar jar is a literal clown they through in to distract the kids. i acknowledge these mistakes and i hate them but i still like the prequels. accept you like something that has flaws and move on.
1:06 I knew that’s what Obi meant my friends would not listen to me, they assumed “it” was referring to Anakin/Darth Vader continuing the attacking of Obi-Wan! I tried to tell them they must have spoke about that move he used on Darth Maul . Thank you Ewan we were right the whole time!
These are spot on - especially #1 That final Kenobi va Mail duel was Filloni proving he’s an absolute bloody genius and understands Star Wars and it’s intricate characters better than even George Lucas
The strategy wasn't the high ground, it was the "don't try it". Kenobi goaded Anakin into a disadvantageous move where he was able to strike at his leisure.
I don't have a problem with Luke's sacrifice. In fact, how else could he go, it would have to be something sacrificial. I can deal with him exiling himself, although I hate the given reasons. But the smug, grumpy little curmudgeon they had him be? No fuckin way. THAT characterization is wrong. And the Luke of lore would have done anything to save Kylo, not almost kill him. Anyways, what most of us wanted, seeing Luke from the novels, was admittedly made difficult because George Lucas was wishy washy and wasted so many years. Now the big three are a bit old in real life to pull it off convincingly. I grew up with Star Wars and read every novel and comic up till the first few Disney novels(and I will get to those). Luke deserves more screen time. It's not the ending as much as all the missing in between.
Sorry, but I will always disagree with the whole "the DS1 weakness was intentional" thing being "smart" (or good). ...mostly because the entire story surrounding the guy that designed it was more than slightly nonsensical. I mean let's put it in the manner of an Imperial giving a report: "So our lead designer tried to flee the project, but luckily, we tracked him down and killed his family in front of him. Since then, he's been working his butt off, completely devoted to the Empire and the project, and we should be finishing our greatest weapon in no time at all" This... was not "smart" -and I don't mean by the Empire, I mean at all.
Great thing about star wars media is that it elicits many different reactions and opinions, but I genuinely don't understand how anyone can think Luke's depiction in TLJ is great. They took probably the most noble character in cannon and turned him into a moody, bitter, old bastard. Johnson was pretty open about how he wanted to destroy the character too. Luke wasn't even slightly likeable in TLJ.
Surprised there’s not more from the sequel trilogy in here... despite their shortcomings it contained some smart decisions: -Holdo sacrificing herself to destroy the First Order ship, letting the remnants of the rebellion escape. -Rey force passing Kylo a lightsaber so that he can defeat the Knights of Ren. -Kylo killing Snoke while at the same time mentally manipulating him that his intentions were to kill Rey. Also some more general praise towards Palp and the long game he played with Anakin from manipulating his conception to slowly corrupting him from esteemed Jedi warrior into Vader.
For some reason Padme is the most beautiful sleeper ever. Why does she sleep like she's a model who's on a runway. She's a person, wouldn't she sleep like, on her back, or stomach, side, curled up in a ball, or just in a way that a human sleeps. Nope, she sleeps while striking a pose, it's odd.
Really? You really think the same guy that never gave up on the mass murderer Vader still being good would later consider killing a kid because he had a bad dream? You need to go back and think about that one for awhile.
Honestly, #3 was what saved The Last Jedi for me. It's an understanding on the writers' part that that being on the light side isn't about having the coolest sword or the best fighting skills, it's about understanding the ideas of decency and personal responsibility and kindness, and knowing exactly how much power those things have. And it presents the clearest example of why that is to the audience that we've seen, at least in the main film series.
DUDE< IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT #TheHIGHGROUND actually is referenced to...then you need an education before trying to teach this kinda stuff. Do your research so you can explain things without making yourself look uneducated by criticizing.
Making the fatal flaw intentional is the actual joke. In the original canon. . . only a force-user could ever have hit this one (of many, by the way) secondary exhaust ports, as they're very small and well-defended (even to being ray-shielded). There is nothing smart in the sequel trilogy - stop lying to us, thanks.
Disagree with the Last Jedi entry, but everything else is spot on. I know Ewan has a soft spot for Episode 8 and I’d love to have a discussion about it, but I just think it was the worst. Poor writing and cutting all loose ends JJ and co made from Episode 7 made Episode 9 falter and stumble.
id put it to you galen erso was probably better off not helping the empire , he was supposed to be a good designer , he would have inadvertently fixed a lot of weaknesses just to create one , if the empire didnt have galen then id say the death star would have been riddled with flaws from their inexperience and incompetence
I would have put the Death Star flaw plot hole fix in Rogue One much closer to #1 (But, that's just me.) 🤜💥🤛 #NeverForget #RogueOneIsAPrequel 🤣👍 #IHaveSpoken #ThisIsTheWay
That was the stupidest decision. It was unnecessary. It's a vent. The only way you could find it is if you had the plans, which were top secret. And the only way you could exploit it is if you had a force ghost controlling the bomb.
Obi Wan's duel with Maul was the most brilliant move in the franchise. So perfect.
Which one?... They were both great
The one in Rebels - so short and sweet.
Yah, that plot armor was a great call....
It was truly brilliant. I was hoping it’d went down like a samurai film and it did. The fact that they made Obi-Wan change stances truly was a big brain move. That’s depth man.
I was really baffled at first cause it was begging for a big showdown again and when it ended so quickly i felt lost in thought. Watched it back a few times and i noticed so many things and was so blown away by what I missed. So little, showed bigger- it was perfect, has some much depth in a 30 second clip than most stuff SW does, it was brilliantly made!!
The Final Kenobi/Maul fight was also the best example of who Obi-Wan is as a person. Comforting his long time rival in his final moments. Great scene.
It wouldn't be a list of smart Star Wars choices without at least mentioning Fives
5's deserved better
How can you say Luke from TLJ was exactly who Luke was, when Mark himself said, "This is fundamentally not my Luke"?
MH is an actor who reads a script and delivers lines. He's not the authority on what is or is not Luke Skywalker. TLJ gave him a proper character arc instead of just rubber-stamping who he was so long ago. A mini-fall and redemption so breathtaking and beautifully thought out...fuck MH for not getting it.
@@the_meridian I love how you completely disrespect the man who played Luke Skywalker, and who grew up with this Role and this Franchise always staying to it and its Fans contrary to someone like Harrison Ford. I wouldnt call it a proper Charakter Arch to randomly turn one of the greatest Heroes in Cinemahistory who had a long and rocky way to becoming a Jedi Knight, into someone who trys to murder a Boy in his Sleep because he had a Bad dream. It is simply dishonorable and definately not a way to evolve an Old charakter. Mark Hamill has every right in not agreeing with this Role and if you liked The Last Jedi, good for you, but you propably shouldnt just go around and Insult the people who made this Franchise what it is today, because they dont like they way it wents. It is just completely disrespectful and unnecessary
@@painkillerauflauf5770 Why do I need to respect actors? They do pretty well for what they do. He'll be okay. Now, about you, it becomes clear why you don't like the character arc. Yoiu have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of what you watched. Luke did not "Try" to kill his nephew. No, he was *tempted* to kill his nephew because of his strength and the dark side he could clearly sense was brewing in him. He withheld himself from the temptation, but did not clear the scene before Kylo saw him hovering over him, unfortunately. OJ Simpson was once considered a hero. Lance Armstrong. Pete Rose. Heroes are people with flaws. They do not achieve perfection and then remain in statis for the rest of their lives. Now that you understand, you've taken your first step into a larger world. And F MH btw.
Fuck Rian Johnson for make a Star Wars movie worse than Attack of the Clones.
You are taking that entirely out of context. Mark said that is how he felt when he first read the script but that once they explained what was going on and the journey Luke was going on, then he understood.
I disagree with Luke appearing as an force ghost and antagonizing Ben, which is opposite of what he did with his father.
Luke would never abandon Ben, knowing there's still light within him.
i agree. ben was far from gone. you could tell he just wanted a cuddle and to be told hes a good boy
Luke didn’t abandon Ben. Proof: Ben lived to be redeemed. What Luke did was prioritize the fate of the galaxy over that of his nephew - *without killing his nephew* so that he’d still have a shot at redemption.
It’s a different circumstance than with Vader. In order to save the galaxy over Endor, Luke *had* to redeem his father or they could not have beaten Palps. (He also stayed his hand because to kill him in anger would be to fall. If that scene had gone down differently, maybe Luke never loses his cool and he kills Vader out of calm necessity…then gets bodied by the most powerful Sith in millennia.)
Luke's depiction in TLJ is totally in keeping with his depiction in the original trilogy
did... did you watch the original trilogy? We're talking about the guy who had so much faith in Vader that he bet his life on it. Even after seeing Vader murder his mentor in front of him. After Vader cut off his hand. After hearing about how Vader tortured his friends. Even after all that, even while being tortured by Palpatine, he refused to give up and refused to believe that Vader was beyond redemption.
Yeah... that sounds like the same guy who considered murdering his nephew in his sleep.
Yeah it was a good video up until that last moment of absolute idiocy.
I totally agree with you guys, the last jedi totally butchered Luke's character. It also shows that RJ does not understand the force and that goes for anyone who likes what he did with Luke. Luke would never have tried to kill Ben because to do so would have pushed himself down the path to the dark side. The very thing that he had been afraid Ben was heading. Luke would have tried everything but that to save Ben. This TH-camr is entitled to his opinion on the last jedi, he can like it if he wants to, it does show that he has bad taste as it is objectively the worst star wars movie ever.
This is where you realise what culture star wars really are just a cynical bunch who can’t help but troll the sort of people their videos are aimed at.
Yeah trying to kill his own nephew was something that never really made sense to me but the way I think about it, Luke has tapped into the dark side before, during his fight with Vader in RoTJ when he threatened to turn Leia to the dark instead of Luke.
I guess afterwards as he was trying to recreate the Jedi Order he became obsessed with making it perfect, making sure it was stronger than the one before. So when he saw his nephew’s future he realised that this is exactly what happened to Anakin, whose turn led to the destruction of the Jedi. In that moment of darkness he saw Ben as a threat to the Jedi Order he created and decided to eliminate the darkness instead of redeeming it to the light like he did to his father.
So afterwards when Ben destroyed the Jedi Order, Luke realised this is basically how his father turned and just lost faith in himself and the Jedi Order, believing if he couldn’t fix it then it should just die. Also there was no way he’d be able to face Leia. That’s why he went to hide on Ahch-To.
Anyways IK the whole Luke Skywalker in TLJ doesn’t make sense but this is how I see it.
@@jules7729 I think the thing that upsets me most is how easy the fix is.
Instead of giving up on his nephew he ignored several warning signs. He refused to give up his belief that his nephew could be saved, but in the end the lure of the dark side was too strong. Despite his best efforts Ben fell anyway and Luke is now plagued by self doubt and guilt.
This not only gives a more plausible reason why Luke is such a grumpy old hermit without eviscerating his character but it also sets Ben up as a super menacing villain. He's so far gone not even Luke can save him, and that's a claim that even Vader can't make.
Change a few lines of dialog and you restore Luke's character, too bad TLJ wasn't made by star wars fans
what about the time when young Han Solo puts the H sideways trying to spell his name in The Yoda Chronicles when trying to disguise himself as a kid on tour at the jedi temple? goddamn genius
So he was Ian Solo? My god!
Wasn’t that in the padawan menace
"Oh, heh, my name's not Ian, it's Han. Han Solo."
Palpatine the politician & the Sith Lord: he was literally playing both sides in order to take control.
-Clone wars epiloge: Darth Vader didn't have to go to a frozen moon to see the ending of ahsoka, but Anakin did.
For example 1, the "High ground" in Episode 3 is one of the best moments in the entire franchise.
Obi Wan and Anakin weren't like Kenobi and Darth Maul or any other opponents we saw in the Star Wars movies because they basically trained each other for years and years. They were both masters of quite different lightsaber forms (I honestly don't remember which are which), but they knew each other's tendencies better than anyone else. Obi Wan was a master of the defensive style, Anakin was much more aggressive and offensively-minded.
Taking the high ground gave Obi Wan's tendency to defend a clear advantage. This elevation and distance would give Kenobi plenty of time to counter any attack. I'd argue, Kenobi never expected Anakin to go for such a risky move, and showed Obi Wan again that he was not Anakin anymore.
It’s just lazy writing
The high ground means virtually nothing in this situation. All Anakin had to do was hop off the platform and continue fighting. The person below on an incline actually has the advantage as they don't have to defend their legs. The guy on higher ground has to learn forward and stretch to protect themselves because the arms are attached to the upper body.
Maul could have killed Kenobi twice in episode one with the flick of the wrist as he tried to jump over him at the beginning and end of the fight. The same again when he jumps over Grievous in episode 3. It's only until right at the end someone figures out trying to jump over an opponent with a lightsaber is a really bad idea.
Thrawn is such a fantastic villain. He's brilliant, and he knows it, but he isn't braggadocios. He just firmly knows his abilities.
When you say Luke in TLJ was "perfect"
"We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close..."
“The decision to have Luke throw away his lightsaber and suck green milk in TLJ”
Do you think he likes green or blue milk more? Lol.
@@restock_1731 clearly green milk is NOT Star Wars, but Blue Milk is. He should be drinking MidiChorian rich Tang or something, I guess, to make dumb fans happy.
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
That was... pretty smart
"Luke's depiction in TLJ was masterful and totally in keeping with his depiction in the original trilogy." ... blink if Rian Johnson has you hostage. Oof, Mark Hamill himself has said several times that he didn't think that Luke in TLJ made any sense.
Some parts of Luke made sense. I think it makes sense that he lost faith in the Jedi order and refused to train Rey but I don't buy that he wouldn't do what he could to try and protect his sister, especially after finding out that Han died.
Maybe Mark can't see the added depth having a real character arc instead of a rubber stamp provides?
TLJ Luke was easily the best part of the sequels.
It just wouldn't be a Whatculture SW vid without some heavy handed TLJ preaching from Ewan.
The backlash against that movie has and will continue to age much worse and faster than the movie itself. I personally consider it the best of the Sequel Trilogy.
@@notmyrealname453 And that's fine, but what ages even worse is the constant need for some people to always find a way to shoehorn in a "you're wrong for not liking it".
Good, good. Your hate has made you strong. Now, strike him down and take your place by my side
@@RandomAct If you don't like it, that's okay. I should clarify that I only mean parts of the backlash, like what happened to Kelly Marie Tran or people sending death threats. That is the stuff that will be looked backed on with disgust.
Again, I don't think you're wrong for hating the movie. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I hate The Rise of Skywalker but I don't hate any of the filmmakers or actors who made it, nor do I hate anyone who does like it.
@@RandomAct most of us who did like it at launch got such hate and abuse that a defensive approach to liking it is sadly quite appropriate
Ummmmmmmmm, Luke attacking Ben because he felt the dark side in him is NOT part of Luke’s character. That was Ruin Johnson being a piece of shit that wanted to “SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS” xD
you know the list is serious when the high ground is in last place
Han's apparent decision to abandon the Rebels at Yavin. He knew his ship was tracked and why. So by leaving the Rebel base he might be able to draw the Death Star after him. When it was obvious that this wasn't going to work, why not circle back and lend a hand in the battle? If he hadn't Luke would have been just a paint smear in the trench.
Huh, that makes a lot of sense
Hiring Jon Favreau n Dave Filoni
"It's treason then." That wasn't Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi. It was Jake Skywalker.
His BIZARO world counterpart?
Luke Skywalker throws his lightsaber away.
*panik*
Return of the Jedi.
*kalm*
I was getting ready to dislike when I heard that. Thank god he was talking about ROTJ and not TLJ
Too bad there wasn't a KFC tie-in with ROTS. They could've had a meal with their extra crispy chicken, called The Anakin Special. 😀
"Luke Skywalker's depiction in The Last Jedi is masterful." Are you serious whatculture? bruh
It is subjective. Lay off it
I was thinking the same lol it was trash😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jamesgleason3920 in YOUR opinion.
@@jakewatson668 Consider that it defies a key part of what Luke did in Return of the Jedi. Explain how Luke can go from trying to bring someone back from the the Dark Side who has aided in the rise of the Empire, Genocide, and the destruction of a planet, to deciding that because he senses darkness in his nephew who did literally nothing remotely close to that yet, should be killed without reason?
Wish we could respond with images and gifs on TH-cam because I would have used the “annoyingly remove headphones” image in response to this part of the video.
Affirming once again that he is a Jedi like his father: shows Anakin committing a war crime (false surrender)
to be fair the entire army of the republic is one giant war crime. not only do they use child soldiers they are also using slave soldiers. say what you want about the separatists but they had a far more ethical army using droids. the galactic republic could have easily shifted away from clones and into conscription after the battle of geonosis but refused and the jedi ignored this. then again the jedi also used child soldiers and had alot of similarities to the clones so maybe they did not even notice how immoral this really was.
Luke vs Vader duel in RotJ, along with the iconic soundtrack is my favourite scene from SW ❤️
High ground is an advantage in all types of battle
I thought it was about the smartest decisions whilst making the film. The top two ones have to be Alec Guiness taking royalties off the Star Wars revenue instead of a fixed salary like the rest of the cast. And him saying that "laser sword" wasn't such a great name and instead suggesting that "light saber" would be better.
Kenobi guiding maul to his final resting place and assuring him the pain is over and there’s hope for them is beautiful
It goes to show how much Obi wan has grown. Maul killed his master and the woman he loved, and yet in his final moments obi wan shows him kindness. Before he dies, and For the first time in a very long time, maul is not alone
I will add one more thing to The high ground theory. One of my friends pointed this out so I cannot take credit for it. In Return of the Jedi when Luke Skywalker duals Darth Vader Luke is standing at the top of the stairwell Vader looks up at him pauses and says Obi-Wan has taught you well. At this point Luke has taken The high ground and Vader has to come to him. It brings everything from revenge of the sith and The phantom menace full circle. I don't know if that was Lucas intent but whether it was or not is just amazing that has happened anyway.
Knowing what Lucas did with the franchise and what his vision for the films was, I can assure you that this point is pure coincidence 😂
@@chriskibble4526 no doubt 🤣 I won't even argue that brother.....but it is amazing how it turned out with the high ground even if it's a coincidence 🙂
Darth Biinks! Think about it. Playing the fool he survived every battle in the prequels. Was seemingly manipulated into the Senate and walked away unscathed after the clone wars. It's a popular subversive theory that's often been explored, but nowhere near Cannon, of course.
The number one smartest decision in the Star Wars Universe was when Luke took C3PO's suggestion to swap to R2D2 from R5D4 after that one's motivator exploded.
Can we mention off topic from the video how amazing obiwan is after all the stuff maul caused throughout the clone wars and killing quigon he still sits there with him holding maul as he dies. That is true respect of your rival.
6:39 saving this for myself
What about the Ultimate Smartest Decision In Star Wars History?
Jedi Grand Masters John & Dave keeping Darth Kathy and her minions away from The Mandolorian.
Bringing back Luke Skywalker to save the day at the end of season 2.
Let's be real. The Mandalorian is very overrated and stuffed with Member berries.
2:22
Palp: oooo. Got em right in the chest, gawd daaam.
It's obvious why the high ground was so important to Obi wan. Cos he was the master of the low ground, meaning he could predict anakin's moves
I am so exhausted hearing about the death star plot hole. It was an exhaust port that was heavily defended by anything considered a threat. And Luke only accomplished the goal the will of the Force personified in Obi Wan. All other pilot are picked off by the turrets.
Also there was no franchise planned when the film was shot, the hero was han for returning and blasting the TIE fighter and making the other spin into Vader and send him spinning off like a washing machine. There is an endless points on the fact that are contrary to this exact plot hole (I'm agreeing with you btw)
you made me look at lukes scene with kylo in hole new different way
Qui Gon also had knowledge of what Dooku did as well, and could have predicted order 66 given the knowledge of using Jango Fett as a clone template. Many Jedi at the time didn't know who Jango Fett was and if they did there would have been NO WAY for him to be used as a clone template. In the comics he was a killer of Jedi and Master Dooku at the time knew that. Qui Gon could have used that knowledge to raise suspicions about the clone army before it was too late.
Nothing…nothing….from sequels belong on this list until we get “Disney allows Filoni and Favareau to delete the sequels from existence as an alternate time line having established in Rebels that Ezra Bridger can step outside time and alter history”.
Its not about the higher ground he stands on, its about the emotional higher ground obiwan is standing on. In my opinion it was a very special way to tell anakin to chill down.
The Force projection only worked because the First Order is stupid as hell. Seriously, ground forces could've circled around the "fight" and chased the remaining Resistance. It's not like Jake could've stopped them.
no lukes depiction in episode 8 is not an accurate depiction of his character. literally every one else including mark hamil can see that so would you just wake up already ffs.
luke cared about his friends and family more than anything else. he cared about them more than the Jedi, more than the rebellion, and more than the entire galaxy. this is why luke was willing to drop every thing to go to help his friends or family when he felt they needed them. he dropped his jedi training to go save han and leia on cloud city and he dropped his mission with the rebellion to go confront his father with the goal of turning him back to the darkside. its important to not that the second luke found out who vader was his goal shifted from killing him to saving him purely because vader was his father. no matter how much fear he had he never got to the point where he would kill a family member even when the fear is for the survival of another family member as we see in lukes final confrontation with vader when Vader says he will go after leia prompting luke to dip into the dark side but only going as far as disarming vader. another important aspect of luke is how he represents hope in the galaxy. he is literally the new hope and from his initial appearance he is always looking toward the horizon at a brighter future. lukes has so much hope that he refuses to give up hope for his father even when the rest of the galaxy and every one who actually knew the guy already had. and can you blame them he was space hitler. but luke saw that there was aa glimmer of light left in his father and held onto the hope that he could use that to turn his father back against all odds.
luke in the last jedi turns his back on the entire galaxy, goes to a planet nobody can find to die,, refuses to come back to help his sister who is being chased by the first order despite finding out they had already killed his best friend, and becomes so hopeless he literally decides to burn everything down. oh and the reason for him becoming this hopeless is because he sensed that his nefew might fall to the dark side and got super scared so he tried to kill him in his sleep. cuz you know the guy who refused to give up on space hitler is totally going to try to kill his nephew because he has the chance of becoming space hitler 2.0 instead of trying to guide him away from that path. guese killing kids just runs in the family am i right.
the luke in the last jedi is literally the polar opposite of the luke in the original trilogy. he does things ot luke would never do and they use that to justify him becoming the complete opposite of ot luke. this makes no sense people need to stop trying to defend it. i have always said you can like bad movies and that is fine, you can even gloss over their mistakes and say you dont really care. but you must acknowledge they are mistakes and stop trying to excuse them other wise the mistakes will never be addressed in the future. "if you make a mistake and refuse to correct it then that is a second mistake". i like the prequels. i acknowledge they have shitty dialogue, the acting at times comes off as cringe, and jar jar is a literal clown they through in to distract the kids. i acknowledge these mistakes and i hate them but i still like the prequels. accept you like something that has flaws and move on.
Luv ur work
Padme said don't touch that (her com device) to her guards in the Hutt's prison in the clone wars movie, allowing her to tell 3PO to rescue her
Idc what you say, Luke was done dirty in the Sequel Trilogy.
He wasn't even in The Force Awakens. That movie was supposed to be about him and how he's training the next generation.
Interesting video, thank you.
The actual smartest decision in actual Star Wars history was that time when Han shot first!
The craftiest by far is undoubtedly Palpatine, as he essentially manipulated everyone into putting him in charge.
1:06 I knew that’s what Obi meant my friends would not listen to me, they assumed “it” was referring to Anakin/Darth Vader continuing the attacking of Obi-Wan! I tried to tell them they must have spoke about that move he used on Darth Maul . Thank you Ewan we were right the whole time!
Ahsoka and Rex: let’s not kill anyone
Yoda: +25 killstreak
Obi wan: lol get wrecked appo
7:04 I didn't realize Jschlatt was in star wars
An amazing rivalry yes, but how does splitting the lightsaber hilt kill the wielder
I think(?) Obi-Wan sliced into Maul's chest.
These are spot on - especially #1
That final Kenobi va Mail duel was Filloni proving he’s an absolute bloody genius and understands Star Wars and it’s intricate characters better than even George Lucas
The strategy wasn't the high ground, it was the "don't try it". Kenobi goaded Anakin into a disadvantageous move where he was able to strike at his leisure.
I honestly think it was a genuine warning, based on Obi-Wan
I don't have a problem with Luke's sacrifice. In fact, how else could he go, it would have to be something sacrificial. I can deal with him exiling himself, although I hate the given reasons. But the smug, grumpy little curmudgeon they had him be? No fuckin way. THAT characterization is wrong. And the Luke of lore would have done anything to save Kylo, not almost kill him.
Anyways, what most of us wanted, seeing Luke from the novels, was admittedly made difficult because George Lucas was wishy washy and wasted so many years. Now the big three are a bit old in real life to pull it off convincingly.
I grew up with Star Wars and read every novel and comic up till the first few Disney novels(and I will get to those). Luke deserves more screen time. It's not the ending as much as all the missing in between.
IG 11 said i am not a living thing,, which allowed him to save Mando
Sorry, but I will always disagree with the whole "the DS1 weakness was intentional" thing being "smart" (or good).
...mostly because the entire story surrounding the guy that designed it was more than slightly nonsensical. I mean let's put it in the manner of an Imperial giving a report:
"So our lead designer tried to flee the project, but luckily, we tracked him down and killed his family in front of him. Since then, he's been working his butt off, completely devoted to the Empire and the project, and we should be finishing our greatest weapon in no time at all"
This... was not "smart" -and I don't mean by the Empire, I mean at all.
#1a) Making Ki-Adi-Mundi
The high ground is usually better in warfare
2:15 yOu sPeLt jInN wRoNg
Great thing about star wars media is that it elicits many different reactions and opinions, but I genuinely don't understand how anyone can think Luke's depiction in TLJ is great. They took probably the most noble character in cannon and turned him into a moody, bitter, old bastard. Johnson was pretty open about how he wanted to destroy the character too. Luke wasn't even slightly likeable in TLJ.
If palpatine had just kept his mouth shut, he probably would have won
Surprised there’s not more from the sequel trilogy in here... despite their shortcomings it contained some smart decisions:
-Holdo sacrificing herself to destroy the First Order ship, letting the remnants of the rebellion escape.
-Rey force passing Kylo a lightsaber so that he can defeat the Knights of Ren.
-Kylo killing Snoke while at the same time mentally manipulating him that his intentions were to kill Rey.
Also some more general praise towards Palp and the long game he played with Anakin from manipulating his conception to slowly corrupting him from esteemed Jedi warrior into Vader.
Holdo sacrificing herself was like the dumbest thing ever. The whole thing was so stupid that it caused a mutiny.
George Lucas keeping the merchandise rights back in 77 was the smartest decision ever!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure they meant the metaphorical high ground. But my English isn't good enough to ensure this - they dubbed it like that though.
Can you tell me the difference between the Jédi and the Jedái?
That must be some good crack, because TLJ was god awful 😞
Kenobi is the best overall Jedi... and I never looked at Luke’s sacrifice quite that way, it changes the entire context of their “duel”?
For some reason Padme is the most beautiful sleeper ever. Why does she sleep like she's a model who's on a runway. She's a person, wouldn't she sleep like, on her back, or stomach, side, curled up in a ball, or just in a way that a human sleeps. Nope, she sleeps while striking a pose, it's odd.
Palpatine is even craftier if you admit that he's Anakin's midichlorian donor lol
Really? You really think the same guy that never gave up on the mass murderer Vader still being good would later consider killing a kid because he had a bad dream? You need to go back and think about that one for awhile.
what are the Jud eyes you speak of?
Funny joke “Luke skywalkers depiction in the last Jedi was masterful”
Honestly, #3 was what saved The Last Jedi for me. It's an understanding on the writers' part that that being on the light side isn't about having the coolest sword or the best fighting skills, it's about understanding the ideas of decency and personal responsibility and kindness, and knowing exactly how much power those things have. And it presents the clearest example of why that is to the audience that we've seen, at least in the main film series.
DUDE< IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT #TheHIGHGROUND actually is referenced to...then you need an education before trying to teach this kinda stuff. Do your research so you can explain things without making yourself look uneducated by criticizing.
Amazing video
thrawns rank is out of timeline and he has to less ships and his genius is not as high as in the rela books but it was still nice to have him
Making the fatal flaw intentional is the actual joke.
In the original canon. . . only a force-user could ever have hit this one (of many, by the way) secondary exhaust ports, as they're very small and well-defended (even to being ray-shielded).
There is nothing smart in the sequel trilogy - stop lying to us, thanks.
What Obi-Wan meant is that he had the moral high ground. C'mon he can be self-righteous at times.
So I'm all for this star wars based channel, but gonna need to stay away from the Disney sequels until they get sorted out
Interesting. I'm not seeing anyone get angry at 9:15
you forgot Darth Jar Jar, check out Gnoggin's video on youtube about him
number 8 makes no sens if you know star wars at least a bit ep 2 and i only say kayle katarn
That point about Luke in The Last Jedi makes this entire list invalid.
best thing to have done is study up on what the high ground is before doing the vid
This channel is gold
*beskar
You made a mistake it is season 3 of rebles that thrawn shows up
So did Disney sent you a check for that TLJ praise?
Lay off it. People can enjoy whatever they want
Disagree with the Last Jedi entry, but everything else is spot on. I know Ewan has a soft spot for Episode 8 and I’d love to have a discussion about it, but I just think it was the worst. Poor writing and cutting all loose ends JJ and co made from Episode 7 made Episode 9 falter and stumble.
Honestly, the sequel trilogy is like two spoiled kids fighting over a toy and breaking it in the process.
Ive always hated last Jedi but after this I respect it much more great content as well jus subscribed
Luke's sacrifice was the most noble!? Are we forgetting that obi one sacrificed himself to save Luke?!?!
id put it to you galen erso was probably better off not helping the empire , he was supposed to be a good designer , he would have inadvertently fixed a lot of weaknesses just to create one , if the empire didnt have galen then id say the death star would have been riddled with flaws from their inexperience and incompetence
i was excited to see y'all added a star war channel but the videos and Ewans take on things has been trash so far
The Star wars 10 smartest they save the republic and for the bad guys poems without them knowing
I would have put the Death Star flaw plot hole fix in Rogue One much closer to #1
(But, that's just me.)
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That was the stupidest decision. It was unnecessary. It's a vent. The only way you could find it is if you had the plans, which were top secret. And the only way you could exploit it is if you had a force ghost controlling the bomb.
damn good video.
THRAWN first appeared in the Disney canon in Rebels Season 3, not 2 👍