Honda Accord Starter Problem Fixed With Technical Service Bulletin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2022
- Brian Eslick from How to Automotive www.howtoautomotive.com/ walks you step-by-step through the process of performing the 2013-2016 Honda Accord technical service bulletin to solve a starter engagement problem. TSB 16-002
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Question for you... if there is not timing/crank sensor pick up on the flexplate or transmission.. why would moving the flexplate bolts be harmful more than one bolt hole? Just curious as if we were replacing and engine or transmission.. there is not "top dead center" markings on either part under there.
@@dennismelville7532 Honda was not very clear on why you can’t do it. The only thing I can think of is there may be balancing issues that may cause vibration
@@HowtoAutomotive Thank you for your reply... and yes.. I just replaced a starter with a brand new unit, with the dealer shim... and it was still making the noise like every 10th start. I've tried the one bolt move.. and knock on wood.. it hasn't returned in about 20 starts. So thank you for the clear and concise video!
@@dennismelville7532 hopefully it all works out I can imagine that’s annoying. Thank you for watching!
How can I bring my honda to you bro im in oceanside ca, have a honda crosstour 2014 that does this.
I have a 2013 Accord Exl V6. I bought it in 2018 with 40,000 miles and it has had this starter issue the entire time where it would just grind and not start until the 2nd or 3rd try most times. I just finished doing this service bulletin without replacing the starter because I figured if the starter I have still starts the car it can’t be too bad. It now starts up like it’s brand new!! I followed all of your advice in this video and I couldn’t thank you enough!!
I have the same car. I went to Honda and thought they fixed it was good for a month then yesterday it happened.. so now I’m gonna have to try this too
That’s awesome ! My starter is only 2 months old so I won’t be replacing it. Going to do it this weekend
How long did this job take in total?
I might try it rotating b4 buying a whole starter ! Maybe it fixes it my happens more often then not now :/
Rotating fixed it!! Don’t buy a new starter ! Been months no issues :)
BIG THANKS B!!!! That noise is sooo embarrassing. I'm beyond happy to correct this issue!!!
Glad to help. Thank you for watching!
I know right, it’s very embarrassing in big public places!
Yep!
yup! 🤣 having people turning their heads for all the wrong reasons
Thank You for sharing this interesting fix from Honda 👍
Thanks so much for this video! I have a ‘15 V6 and this start grinding issue started in ‘18. I’ve replace the starter twice and in 2020 I found out that it was the flex plate, went to Honda and told them the issue very descriptively and they didn’t even check and TSBs (they could have but maybe they just wanted to charge me more for the fix) They then quoted me $4000 for the labor and part, $1000 for flex plate (!) and $3000 for labor since they had to drop the tranny. I left.
Got another quote from Pep Boys for $2000, that was a lot better. Just didn’t feel right even paying that much. So three years later of intermittent starting I randomly googled Accord Flex plate and your video came up. I was super excited so today I went and jacked up the car and did exactly what you did from the TSB (only the rotation of the torque converter and flex plate, but not the gasket or starter since there’s a newish one in there)
Before this fix it would start sometimes 5 times in a row, then intermittently grind and not start, often it would take 5 or more start grinds/tries for it to fire up.
Since rotating the flex plate/torque converter I’ve started it 25 times without fail today (which is a big indicator that it worked). So overall this worked for me extremely well, thanks again! I’ll try and update over the next month or so.
I replaced my starter 7 weeks ago and the problem came back. I don't think anyone did anything with the flex plate. Before moving the flex plate, do I need to buy again a new starter?
@@mujally24 In my opinion no, I didn’t change mine since I replaced it two years ago before rotating the flex plate/torque converter and it’s still starting like a champ weeks later without grinding once. Just rotate it and you won’t be sorry, obviously every case is different but this method worked for me without replacing the starter.
I had to send this TSB to my mechanic yo show him it was a known issue. theybreplaced my starter and battery. So I brought it in and they supposedly rotated the TC but the issue is back just a week later. Im wondering if they really did rotate it now. They didnt charge me anything since they replaced my starter earlier. I am hoping they at least marked it with a pen like the tsb said to do.
@@namfamto clarify rotating the torque converter is the same thing as rotating the flex plate or is that somewhere else? Also where can I get a cheap starter oem is to pricey auto got some for 300$
Criminal!!
My honda accord 2016 touring v6 was making a buzzing sound and didnt start .changed the starter twice and then I came across this video and did everything as the video. Worked!!!! the.problem was fixed. Thank you for the info.
why did u change the starter 2x both times it didnt work u still had the buzzzing noise
2 times they gave me a faulty one at autozone , it was 3 times that i replaced it.
Thanks for sharing very informative video 👍
Thank you!
Also aftermarket starters will cause this even after rotating the flex plate as well. So highly recommend oem starter as well.
Does the OEM starter fix the gap issue between the starter motor gear and torque converter ring gear or will in need to be a combination of the OEM starter, rotating the crankshaft one bolt and the shim? I just started having this issue myself and am researching the best way to address this issue so it doesn’t pop up in the future.
My 2014 Crosstour EXL V6 has been doing this for years. I bought used with 95k in 2018 and it now has over 170k and I never addressed the issue. I said I would wait until I got stranded but so far it hasn't happened. Thinking of crawling under there and finally doing it. I'll share my results here. Thank you!
I wish you luck.
Hi, I just bought a crosstour EX-L and looks like I've inherited this issue. I'm having some SERIOUS buyer's remorse right now because of this problem and some others that I recently discovered. Anyway, did you try the flywheel fix? I have to admit, I'm skeptical that this will work. Would like to know if this is worth pursuing. Please reply when you can, thanks...
@@willytv275 I did the flywheel fix and it's been several months and I haven't had the starting issue. It worked for me so far and it was very easy to do.
@@dannypanzarelli7961 Hey thanks for the reply - just to be clear, did you do the flywheel thing only or did you go with a new starter also?
@@willytv275 just the flywheel.
Great video Brian
Thank you!
Well done! 👍
Thank you!
I have a 2015 accord v6. Used an aftermarket starter and same issue even with the Honda torque bolt fix. Then did a Honda starter and the issue still there. Just living with it now but it's getting worse. Use to only be about 3 starts then fine now it happen 6 to 10 times before it turns over. Honda lost me with this issue.
I have a 2014 4 cylinder that's having starting issues but from what I've seen they only have a bulletin for the v6. Do you have any info on these?
Gracias por ayudar nos
Will this fix the 4cly grinding at start problem or v6 only ?
Does this repair also work on the 2015 4cyl EX-L coupe?
Is the specific torque on the bolts for the torque converter necessary?
Did this myself at about 130k miles, 1.5 years ago. I'm at 145k now and its still going strong. I used a RM starter based on the TSB. I made sure to do the torque converter rotation and problem hasn't come back.... for anyone wondering how long term the solution can be. I could def see some wear on the TC gear thing when I did the repair, too. Problem initially started happening around 80 something K miles and I let it go for a looong time. Sometimes it would take 5-7 tries to start... which eventually (almost) killed my starter which was why I actually decided to do the repair.
Great video. Thank you.
Thanks for the vid, I dont see the part numbers for the starter and shim in the description, can you help?
For anyone wondering ; this is not a fix , it is a band-aid. The gears on the starter have worn and you will run into the same issue again only you can't apply this TSB band-aid twice.
Hi! Why would I need to replace the started if the starter is spinning but not engaging? From what it sounds like, I just need to replace the gasket and rotate the torque converter. What's your thoughts? The vehicle only has 47K.
Hello sir ! Informative and good news, that is fixable. If you’re near by, I want you to take good care of my same problem with my 2013 V6 accord. May I know where are you located? Thank you!
Many greetings friend, how can i deleite TPMS light in Honda Fit 2010, thank por your help
Thanks!
Thank you very much!!!!!
Hi
How long is the extension for 19 mm socket to manual rotate the wheel. Thank
Hey bud, so I put an A04 in a month back and just got a spinning sound again for the 4th time, 3rd starter. Is the bulletin able to be done after changing the starter or it HAS to be beforehand?
The Starter has a gear that meshes with the transmission. They do not mesh correctly and both get worn down over time. Maybe a04 part has been redesigned to address the issue. However the ring gear in ur transmission is now probably excessively worn down
Does this only apply to V6? I have a 2015 accord EXL 4 cylinder and it has occasionally been hesitating to start not sure how to diagnose this. I have a new battery and I got the car tested at the auto store and they said everything was fine please help me 😢
My 2014 only has 66879 km on it. Car would start on every button push. Heard the click from the starter. Changed the starter and it won't start at all. I hope this is the issue but it won't turn over at all. Any suggestions?
I'm surprised this is just a TSB and not a recall, given the transmission is involved, and you can only do it once. Seems like that would be a design flaw IMHO?
Any idea how much the "next step" would cost (i.e. - replacing the torque convertor inside the transmission)? is that just a part replacement, or considered a transmission rebuild? like thousands of dollars probably?
Also I noticed it was only for V6 engines, but I have these exact same issues you are describing in my 4 Cyl. 2014 Honda Accord... :(
I definitely think it’s a design flaw. I agree it should be a recall. I don’t know how much the part for the second step will be but the labor is probably around five hours.
I agree... I bought my car brand new. In all my 40 yrs driving, I have never had a car do this to me before. I'm through with Honda. I'm back to German cars in future
Hi! I’ve been having problem with my starter (2015 honda accord v6). Starter was replaced last year using the newly design starter from Honda. My mechanic rotated the flywheel and use the next bolt per TSB as well but I am now having the same issue again after 1 year of installing the new starter. I brought the car to honda dealership per my mechanic’s advice to replace the flywheel since honda dealership has more man power but they could not recreate the grinding noise and therefore they could not diagnose the problem. Last year they replaced the battery because they thought that was the problem. Their next step was to replace the alternator, which I did not agree since my battery is not being depleted. To make the story short I could not convince them to concentrate on the starter system even after showing them the video I created while the problem was going on. It’s an intermittent problem, so chances are they will not run into the same problem /grinding noise if I bring it back to the dealership. It cost me $80 for them to start my car 15 times until they call it quits. The mechanic I normally go to have not mentioned anything to me that he used a shim. He thinks the solution is to replace the flywheel per TSB. He can do the work but not until September of this year. I don’t feel confident taking it to honda since I could not convince them to concentrate on the starter system. What do you think my next step should be before I replace the flywheel/torque converter? Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Just tried to follow this vid and it was all good until it was time to remove the plate cover. Couldn't get the bottom 10mm off and couldn't move ratchet enough for top 10mm. BTW I was able to turn wheels to the right to access the engine crank instead of removing the wheel. Figured this out after I intially removed the wrong wheel. 😅
Yep, I got this issue on my 15 ex-l V6. Bought it new, 64k miles prob happened around 30k, grinding and usually starts on 2nd or 3rd try. Happens almost daily now. Got a jump pack thinking it was the battery.
Did everything and it still does it do you know what my next step would be ?thanks
did you figure it out?
I'm having starter problems as my 2013 V6 Honda accord starts sometimes and then other times it doesn't. I'm not experiencing the "grinding" noise but should I still rotate the torque converter or leave well enough alone?
Did you get this taken care of?
Mine randomly starts and then other times it won’t. Just hear a click sound.
I’m thinking of replacing it but not sure what to do
no.... if u are not hearing the starter motor work then the starter motor itself is starting to fail, this video is for starter motor that works but is having clearance engaging with the flexplate
I have a 2013 v6 and it doesn’t grind , but when I try to start it , it’ll make a “click” noise then nothing.
Other times it’ll startup right away.
I’ve already had battery and alternator replaced due to another issue.
Should I go ahead and have the starter replaced also?
I replaced my starter on my '14 v6 coupe summer of 2021, and the problem came back this fall. Not sure if a starter replacement is the root cause of this issue or something else (perhaps the ignition switch)? Honestly, just looking at a different car at this point.
Does this fix apply to the Crosstour V6 motor as well?
Where do I get this technical service bulletin and parts
My 2015 Honda accord sport started doing this not long ago I put my key in and turn and all I can hear is a click and it used to be like 2-3 times before it would start now it could take up to 10 minutes before I can turn it on
Question ...
If the starter is faulty in these newer Honda's (I own a 2016 Accord Lx 2.4l), is it true that the starter can sometimes mimic or act as if it's going to crank but then stalls out (kinda like it's out of gas start up), instead of the normal dead/faulty starter tell tells?
Asking because I was 90% sure my fuel pump crapped out on me finally but then saw something on here were the starter was bad and cranked it in the vid ... Totally sounded like what my accord is doing. I've bought the car new and the starter nor the fuel pump has been changed out so... I'm confused now 😂
Newer Honda parts are flipping heart attack expensive and I've already sank a good 3k into the accord since summer 2021 🤦♀️ rock auto is my friend for parts but still a fuel pump and starter are each 175 and up ... I just want back in my accord and out my sons cavalier from the 90s (great car for a starter car btw, if you find one thats not ran ragged).
Fyi It started this issue after I changed out both catalytic converters, both O2 sensors, engine air take hose and mass air flow sensor. It cranked fine and then a few hours later it started acting stupid when I tried cranking it.
Another fyi my Accord is sitting around 215,000 give or take some miles 🥴
I have struggled with this problem for a year. I have performed the TSB and put a rebuilt starter and still the same problem. Don't not put a aftermarket or rebuilt starter you need the latest starter oem from Honda 31200-5G0-A04. Ending with A04 seems to have solve the problem. It's been two weeks no issue
Has the issue come back?
The issue is back. One out of 7 starts. It will grind once. Then start right after.
The 2013 Honda Accord Ex starter is in a complete different place.
It’s under the car.
I wish I had a way to get my car jacked up high enough.
Recently sometimes after several tries it crankes right up
Then other times I put my battery pack on the battery and wait a Moment then it cranks right up.
I’m due for a new battery.
But I think it’s a issue with the pushstarters / ignition switch
Possible the Starter. I had a friend get a new starter
He was tired of having to try cranking over and over.
That worked about 3 days before it started doing it again.
Battery is good.
Honda should have recalled and fixed many of these issues long ago.
Imo They need to add a place to crank with the key or the push start like a few other vehicles offer.
It’s been a great car besides this damn push start issue so lease there’s that.
It’s barely just now at 100 thousand miles, So Hopefully will get another 80+ out of it.
I’m going back to Chevy Trucks.
My mechanic completed the service bulletin (changed the starter, rotated the flex plate one bolt hole), it fixed the issues for about a year and a half, the grinding happened maybe 4 times over the span of the year and a half. now its increased in frequency again. Anyone else experience this? Not to sure what to do now, I'm thinking maybe the starter went out again? but it doesn't make sense after only 1.5 years?
Yes, same here. Had the car in the shop again my mechanic said it still a common issue even after the TSB performed. He suggested change the tourque convertor. Since Honda won't perform a recall on this know issues in millions of models I ain't spending another cent on it.
@@bobTom37 what starter did you use. My mechanic read somewhere it’s best to go to Honda directly for their starter rather than aftermarket
Same issue here. I think I am gonna to ask my mechanic to replace the torque converter. I am not sure how much it's going to cost. I am not happy with Honda Acord at all. I am so disappointed.
@@shawnalijany1815 any luck? The issues came back for me.
@@josephkifel436 I read on a form to use an acura starter?
I have a 2016 Honda accord and I’ve changed my starter almost 3 times now @ 124k
Sorry your Honda is giving you trouble.
Over 50 years working on Cars,Trucks, etc., all this TSB is doing is Costing the Customer $$$$$ ! I can see why Honda didn't want to EXPLAIN WHY! It's 2022 and they have lost money because of COVID-19 and have to RECOP the LOSSES! My 2013 Accord has the same issue, why would this start at 75K miles? Thanks for your Video, I not hitting on you about this, I I Honda wants a whopping $900,00 for a Starter and Install, I can just imagine what they want to remove the Flex Plate $2200.00 or more! That would be a total JOKE ! I love how they charge the CUSTOMER to EXPERIMENT!! If this doesn't work try this, and if that doesn't work try this! Seriously? People beware of this SCAM, I would like to see what would happen if he RE-INSTALLED your Original Starter?? Service Departments need those DOLLARS, and it these practices that keep them going! I wish he would've returned the ORIGINAL STARTER, because as you can see it WAS NOT the Starter, that someone paid $900.00 for! What a SCAM
I got a 2015 CRV with 40,365 miles and it started 3 months ago. It costs me $127+ for this 20 minutes rotating process.
Where you located ?
my 2015 just started doing this ive only had it 6 months it has 49k miles and I only put 3k on it myself. I bought a honda thinking it was going to last a long time im thinking I made an expensive mistake
I replaced my starter in the summer of '21 and it's going bad already (conveniently just over the one-year warranty).
My 2013 Accord EX-L 4 cylinder is having the same issue!
What about for 4clyn accords?
I've completed all of this and now it grinds longer (more tries to start). Theres also sometimes a clunk at the time of the vehicle finally starting. The dealership I had perform this tech bulletin and it made it worse
I have some problem which I would start my car for 10 times then engine will turn on. I call service department they all wanted me to replace my starter but I believe the brush is just worn out.
Look up on the national automobile safety website I did and there's over 700 complaints on there that the initial switch is no good in the Honda accords and most people believe it's the starter and will keep replacing the starter mine does the same thing sometimes it is right away and then sometimes it'll take me 20 times and my leg gets hard after pushing the clutch I am replacing the ignition switch today ill let you know outcome
Accords have been having starting and grinding problems for over a decade. Its disgusting that they continue to manufacture and sell these cars with such a known and costly defect.
You are 100% incorrect
@@Enrightauto . I own a 2008 Accord which I've had since 2009. Before you open your mouth do a fact check.
Owner of a Honda Accord 2016 with less than 55K Miles and Having problems with my starter. 😞.
I seen there are over 700 complaints to NAS that the ignition switch is the problem and most people think its the starter i have a 2014 honda accord im changing the switch today so I'll let everyone know the results
@@jessakafarias8992 I was told today I need a new starter. I’ve seen hundreds of complaints of the exact same issue with the same year as mine 2014. Several complaints said they’ve replaced the starter and the problem persisted. If its an issue with the ignition switch hopefully that will be a cheaper fix. I’d love to know what you determined.
Honda technician informed us that the chain holding a lightweight (probably 3 or 4 ounces at most) decorative item hanging from our rearview mirror has caused the vehicle's electrical wiring to fuse together. Never heard of such a thing and wondering if this is at all possible. Looking forward to any helpful reply.
Honestly I don't understand why this would have anything to do with a intermittent no crank. Unless the flex plate is locking up the starter but it would need replaced plus I would think you would here atleast a slight grind.
So is it even worth trying this if the pervious owner did it but didn’t write it down?
You keep suggesting to just swap the starter and if the problem persists then adjust the torque converter by one bolt. However, the service bulletin is step by step to do this all in one sweep. I need to do this service myself aswell but feel weary about just swapping the starter without adjusting the torque converter. May I ask why your confident in suggesting to just swap the starter first and see if your problem goes away before adjusting the torque converter?
Did you find an answer?
@@gregoryferrara6740 yes, after doing more research I decided to just adjust the torque converter by one bolt. This fixed my issue and it hasn’t happened since.. Starter was just fine.
@@ipodfan321 Awesome. Thank you!
@@ipodfan321 what mileage was your starter?
@@gregoryferrara6740 I think I’m around 183k now. I purchased car at 120k and to my knowledge it’s the original starter. Still strong and without issues, besides this.
8 of those M6 flexplate bolts aren't what causes the ring gear distortion. The torque converter is symetericaly distorted from the factory.
I think you are right. I'm pretty skeptical that this a real fix. You have any other suggestions?
@@willytv275 If torque converter has a systematically issue, even if I replace it, do you think I am going to be able fixing this issue permanently?
@@shawnalijany1815 Hi, I would say yes. That is assuming that you install a good-quality torque converter that is more robust and is not prone to distortion. Have you done all the other stuff yet? I’m talking about changing the starter and advancing the flexplate one bolt? I’m getting ready to do that here in about a week. Wish me luck…
@@willytv275 Yes, I have done both and still not working right. That's why I am thinking to replace the torque converter.
Damn man, really sorry to hear that, plus I’m getting really nervous that my fix won’t work either. Stay tuned, I’ll report back after I’ve done the repair.
I'm about to buy a 31200-5G0-A04 since I did the SB but replaced my starter with an Autozone one, so Grinding never went away....
Do you think by replacing my starter with the 31200-5G0-A04 would solve the issue? (at least for a couple months)
It’s hard to say. Also make sure you get a new shim with it
@@HowtoAutomotive I didn't see the link for shim when I click when was above it just took me to a site but no info on shim
What do you nean grinding
It's been a week since I replaced My starter, and so far I seems to be fixed!!!
Si, after a couple of weeks, the issue came back....
Starting to look for a torque Converter.
Does anyone have a link to Buy it?
Try the starter, but it still doing the same thing. I’m going to rotate the flywheel but will go back to my original starter because it’s not really hurt.
Hopefully this works!
I wonder which Honda tech figured that out
@Donald Krasniak I was going to ask that. Should you not rotate the flex plate first and if you still have an issue then replace the starter?
@DonJKrasniak this may be a stupid question, but do you need to remove your starter in order to be able to turn ring gear? I want to just turn the gear and not replace my starter, but I don't know if the starter being installed will prevent it from turning.
My 2016 had to have the torque converter replaced 🥳😒😒
How much did that set you back if you don't mind my asking...
@@willytv275 FREE.. Honda replaced it at their expense
How old was the vehicle when they replaced it?
@@willytv275 5 yrs. It has a 100k mile warranty
@@PLATINUM2U did that fix the problem?
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Where are you located sir? I have the same problem.
San Diego
I’m sorry, I didn’t see your response the first time I asked you. Unfortunately, I am in the east coast NYC, thank you though, love your contents and I’m gonna keep watching!
I'm on my 3rd stater on my 2013 Accord 💩
That sucks!
@@HowtoAutomotive Yeah, but I'd rather replace just the starter than doing this extra stuff; kinda time consuming with no lift, etc
@@Striker50_ if you just replace the starter ,the grinding issue will be back
@@hnmpp I got 3 years out of an aftermarket starter, and the refurbished one I currently put in is running swell. Cheap fix and 20 minutes to replace
I've put 2 new starters on our 2013 Accord. When I tried to tell the auto shop about this TSB they looked at me like I was crazy. So, they said the first starter had gone bad, and I had them replace it again, only to have the problem return about a moth later.
I don't understand what rotating the torque converter even does for the starter issue?
Stupid honda should come out with a recall but they wont because it will cost them alot of moneyyy
I agree
Agree!!
It's absolutely not just the v6 the 2.4 has starter problems too. $400 later. Bullshit
Failed to mention engine size. Instant thumbs down
I will never buy anything automatic Again. Fucking push start for me
Frankly... I don't see why I should have to fix this out of my pocket.
This is bullshit... Honda needs to declare a recall and handle this. I will NEVER buy another, nor will I recommend to others... will warn them of your issues, but hell no to recommending Honda to anyone.
My BMW never did this... my MBZ never did this. I was hesitant to buy a Honda folks. Follow your gut people. I'm paying for ignoring mine
This car is a piece of shit.