This is the reason i no longer do plumbing, the good days are great but when it goes wrong its too much of a pain, i now watch others do the work and get paid more without the hassle and my knees thank me for it.
Do what we do....we only fit stainless vented tanks now as we've had lots of new copper ones pin hole after a year or so. And best of all no tapins as it's all nut and olive :p ezay!!
On the immersion heater , you put some ptfe on a tread don’t overload to much , ones that dry out it might leak without ptfe , than you can paste afterwards. The adapters for cylinder , the loctile , it’s not ideal, because it’s copper cylinder, will overcross the treads because loctile it’s mainly used on stainless steel pipe work , copper it’s to soft loctile will overcross the treads , use ptfe tape which is soft , you never have issues at all mate , few tips for you but don’t overloaded to much , like you do on a radiator tails . I hope that’s helpful info mate , apart from that you’re star mate 😅
Senior housing by me I conversed with building maint guy.. nice meeting while biking..well all the copper elbows leaked..its a highrise senior housing.. chinese copper fittings were not pure pin holes every elbow..finished building.. he was frazzled... just think all the wall openings and repairs..nightmares..
I noticed a shower pump on the job & no Surrey flange on the cylinder !! I only use cylinder unions ones from albion are awesome , always have some in the van . Using fe - iron on the coils is always going to cause you probs! You could of used vent & cold feed plugs save draining the whole heating system down ! Easier said than done at times ! Cylinder manufacturers always have a get out clause when they have warranty issues. I tend to use gledhill stainless as they come with a standard sec tapping 👍
I've work in the plumbing and heating industry for a while now, the bit I just love the best is shown in the comments below, ask twenty different plumbers/gas fitters or heating guys how to do something simple and you will be supplied with twenty different answers. Not knocking anybody, I had four chaps in the office this morning arguing about PTFE tape application to the tail on a thermostatic radiator valve.
I feel for you mate , I've had that happen a couple of times so I only use stainless unvented cylinders now and just don't fit the kit that comes with it , also they are usually nut and olive connections so are a lot easier to fit , with the price of copper at the moment they work out cheaper sometimes... Cheers....👍
You have to be careful with those threads on the coil because they are copper threads and you can strip them so easily. I only use a little bit of hemp and pipe compound on those threads. Putting on too much loctite is a bad idea because as the fitting tightens it doesn't bite to the thread and ends up stripping them.
When I was in the area, ran out of pipe, rang them and a bundle of copper came over the hedge 15 mins later from the guys at Banbury heating, top boys and super helpful 👍
Great video, but I never use copper to iron on coil, I use cylinder union end feed, or press brass union but find end feed cheaper, and have only one solder joint.. Just much better than copper to iron.
That was a real bummer with cylinder hard to keep your cool when that happens hope customer was understanding about it. Good video what was wrong with the bar shower then?
As an ‘outsider looking in’ - this whole problem could be solved by the manufacturer - if he inserted the fittings into the cylinder as part of the production and then certified it with a WPT on the QC label. Pretty poor that you had to pick up their shite.
@@chrisb4009 I acknowledge your experience but surely cylinders of this capacity are likely destined for the domestic market so a 28mm fitting would cover all eventualities - adaptors are available. At least you could the be confident that is has been pressure tested.
@@normanboyes4983 There are a few issues with that: 1) Things often get knocked in transit - so just because it’s sealed at the factory doesn’t mean it’s sealed on delivery. 2) Cost, the factory have to pay for the fittings, someone to fit them and to pressure test them. Would anyone want to pay this extra cost? 3) Damage in transit, empty cylinders are fairly flimsy, if you start shipping them with fittings sticking out some are likely to get smashed off/damaged. 4) Flexibility - you can put a 28 straight iron on but what if space is tight and you need a 22mm 90 coming out? If you put your own fittings in you can choose a direction. 5) Different markets - you may well be making cylinders for several different markets that use differ t piping classes or types. Like a US pipe may be in imperial sized MLCP but a British one may be in metric copper. You do get pre plumbed un-vented cylinders beside they have a lot of ancillaries attached and it would take hours to do (and there is a safety risk) but you’re talking minutes with a couple of irons.
Such a pain when that happens especially when you drain it down re do everything only for it to happen again, then again, turned out to be a factory fault
Yeah cause I filled heating and cylinder then drianed both, filled both again, then I just filled the cylinder, not the heating side so once it leaked again I knew it was cylinder at fault haha
After our cylinder sprung a leak and had to be replaced I had nothing but bother with airlocks no matter what the plumber did after a few days it would lock again it got to the point where I just said change the system to gas central heating as you don’t need a cylinder, then the cost of freaking gas hits the roof, yep I’m a lucky so and so, ah well at least no more airlocks, he said touching wood
hahahahaha..... Real World Plumbing........... You know this Luke. You forgot to add in the video that you had messaged me saying you had a nice little job and it had all gone perfect......... Then remessaged saying you had spoke to soon... Glad its sorted mate
I'm sure that wierdo that's always on about real world plumbing had his on s**t job recently.... Sorry the cylinder job went south on you, manufacturing faults are a royal pain.
This is the reason i no longer do plumbing, the good days are great but when it goes wrong its too much of a pain, i now watch others do the work and get paid more without the hassle and my knees thank me for it.
I'm loving the look of that Plumb blue with a brush it beats using your fingers
Especially when eating a sandwich for lunch
Bit of flux and paste on sandwiches puts hairs on your chest.. at least that was what I was told 🤣🤣
Do what we do....we only fit stainless vented tanks now as we've had lots of new copper ones pin hole after a year or so. And best of all no tapins as it's all nut and olive :p ezay!!
The finest of knipex 👌🏻
I wouldn't paste a fibre washer it stops them swelling to create the seal
On the immersion heater , you put some ptfe on a tread don’t overload to much , ones that dry out it might leak without ptfe , than you can paste afterwards. The adapters for cylinder , the loctile , it’s not ideal, because it’s copper cylinder, will overcross the treads because loctile it’s mainly used on stainless steel pipe work , copper it’s to soft loctile will overcross the treads , use ptfe tape which is soft , you never have issues at all mate , few tips for you but don’t overloaded to much , like you do on a radiator tails . I hope that’s helpful info mate , apart from that you’re star mate 😅
Parallel threads aren’t aren’t meant to be sealed with thread tape/paste.
Loctite 577 works really well with a fibre washer.
Senior housing by me I conversed with building maint guy.. nice meeting while biking..well all the copper elbows leaked..its a highrise senior housing.. chinese copper fittings were not pure pin holes every elbow..finished building.. he was frazzled... just think all the wall openings and repairs..nightmares..
I noticed a shower pump on the job & no Surrey flange on the cylinder !!
I only use cylinder unions ones from albion are awesome , always have some in the van .
Using fe - iron on the coils is always going to cause you probs!
You could of used vent & cold feed plugs save draining the whole heating system down ! Easier said than done at times ! Cylinder manufacturers always have a get out clause when they have warranty issues. I tend to use gledhill stainless as they come with a standard sec tapping 👍
I've work in the plumbing and heating industry for a while now, the bit I just love the best is shown in the comments below, ask twenty different plumbers/gas fitters or heating guys how to do something simple and you will be supplied with twenty different answers. Not knocking anybody, I had four chaps in the office this morning arguing about PTFE tape application to the tail on a thermostatic radiator valve.
At one point i thought the postman had delivered two hose pipes
Great video mate 👍 I’m learning the plumbing trade and if that happened to me I would have cried 🤣
I have the set of 3 knipex, best things I’ve ever bought. I always use them on chrome etc never leave any marks
I feel for you mate , I've had that happen a couple of times so I only use stainless unvented cylinders now and just don't fit the kit that comes with it , also they are usually nut and olive connections so are a lot easier to fit , with the price of copper at the moment they work out cheaper sometimes...
Cheers....👍
Definitely gonna start using them from now on buddy
Another great video mate, keep up the good work
Heart Break city ! We all been their kidda!
Cylinders can be a royal pain for leaks. I had one leak on the coil return fortunately I managed to save it with some thread seal.
Worst part was that it was a manufacturer error 😭
You have to be careful with those threads on the coil because they are copper threads and you can strip them so easily. I only use a little bit of hemp and pipe compound on those threads. Putting on too much loctite is a bad idea because as the fitting tightens it doesn't bite to the thread and ends up stripping them.
Just subbed mate! Looking forward to more vids 👍
Thanks mate! I will definitely be in touch soon!
When I was in the area, ran out of pipe, rang them and a bundle of copper came over the hedge 15 mins later from the guys at Banbury heating, top boys and super helpful 👍
Plumbing can be a pain at times. Even small jobs you think will go easy, anything can happen. Air locks for example
That3/4 cold feed will never keep up with the shower pump and normal drawing off 💯
scrape thread with a hacksaw blade. use flax and paste.
Great video, but I never use copper to iron on coil, I use cylinder union end feed, or press brass union but find end feed cheaper, and have only one solder joint.. Just much better than copper to iron.
Glad I did on this occasion cause if I had soldered it I'd have sworn a lot more than I did
@@Clxyton_ True True 😂
That was a real bummer with cylinder hard to keep your cool when that happens hope customer was understanding about it. Good video what was wrong with the bar shower then?
Annoyingly the voiceover didn't fancy working 😂
Leaking from everywhere really, letting by constantly, temperature had its own mind 😂
Customer was a star, understood I wasn't at fault and even tried to find another 1200x450 cylinder
Good video mate. Nightmare when a job goes to sh#t 😬
Was literally going lovely, old one out, new one in and filling within a couple hours, then the shit storm hit
So what was the problem with the old new cylinder ? Cross threaded or was it a factory fault ?
Factory fault
@@Clxyton_ well that's a plus , hope they re embursed you fir your time 🙄👀
Right faff to get my money back, had to buy another cylinder, wouldn't swap it for another one.
I used to use females on coil but cylinder unions every time for me now...
As an ‘outsider looking in’ - this whole problem could be solved by the manufacturer - if he inserted the fittings into the cylinder as part of the production and then certified it with a WPT on the QC label. Pretty poor that you had to pick up their shite.
Irons are used to let you use different pipe sizes with the same cylinder. They also come in straight and 90 degrees.
@@chrisb4009 I acknowledge your experience but surely cylinders of this capacity are likely destined for the domestic market so a 28mm fitting would cover all eventualities - adaptors are available. At least you could the be confident that is has been pressure tested.
@@normanboyes4983 There are a few issues with that:
1) Things often get knocked in transit - so just because it’s sealed at the factory doesn’t mean it’s sealed on delivery.
2) Cost, the factory have to pay for the fittings, someone to fit them and to pressure test them. Would anyone want to pay this extra cost?
3) Damage in transit, empty cylinders are fairly flimsy, if you start shipping them with fittings sticking out some are likely to get smashed off/damaged.
4) Flexibility - you can put a 28 straight iron on but what if space is tight and you need a 22mm 90 coming out? If you put your own fittings in you can choose a direction.
5) Different markets - you may well be making cylinders for several different markets that use differ t piping classes or types. Like a US pipe may be in imperial sized MLCP but a British one may be in metric copper.
You do get pre plumbed un-vented cylinders beside they have a lot of ancillaries attached and it would take hours to do (and there is a safety risk) but you’re talking minutes with a couple of irons.
@@chrisb4009 OK thanks.👍
Such a pain when that happens especially when you drain it down re do everything only for it to happen again, then again, turned out to be a factory fault
Yeah cause I filled heating and cylinder then drianed both, filled both again, then I just filled the cylinder, not the heating side so once it leaked again I knew it was cylinder at fault haha
After our cylinder sprung a leak and had to be replaced I had nothing but bother with airlocks no matter what the plumber did after a few days it would lock again it got to the point where I just said change the system to gas central heating as you don’t need a cylinder, then the cost of freaking gas hits the roof, yep I’m a lucky so and so, ah well at least no more airlocks, he said touching wood
Great vid again
hahahahaha..... Real World Plumbing........... You know this Luke.
You forgot to add in the video that you had messaged me saying you had a nice little job and it had all gone perfect......... Then remessaged saying you had spoke to soon...
Glad its sorted mate
Oh and knipex plier wrenches are awesome. I just wish they made a thin jaw version.
Ugh I did that last year had to change cylinder as an emergency! Raaaage
🎶 Promo>SM.
We have all been there but really could do without the annoying music it is bad enough having agro without the noise
I'm sure that wierdo that's always on about real world plumbing had his on s**t job recently.... Sorry the cylinder job went south on you, manufacturing faults are a royal pain.
😂😂
hahahaa.... Ironically i was on my Saniflo Job when Luke was messaging me about this job......
@@MJTiffPlumbing hahahaha
One of the worst TH-cam videos on plumbing i've ever seen
😂😂😂
@@Clxyton_ So you just laugh?
Yeah someone with the least imaginative username doesn’t like my video, what am I supposed to do? Take it to heart?