Love the dual fuel system and seamless transition from one to the other via the programming. I recall when Kevin Smith programmed this into one of Cleetus’ cars. Not sure which one. Mullet maybe? BTW, great LS build. That sucker is really efficient to make 1000 on only 6 lbs of boost!
@@1982evilj It's really simple to understand how much HP an engine makes N/A. Atmospheric pressure that we all have at sea level is 14.7 PSI. That's what you and I breathe every day. So if a turbo or blower is adding an additional 14.7 PSI then the engine will double the HP level over and above what Naturally Aspirated would provide. This is assuming that there isn't a poorly sized turbo or heat takes away from efficiency. So in this case 6 PSI is adding roughly 40% additional HP over N/A, which puts the N/A HP level at roughly 650 HP.
I am amazed that all that stuff will fit down into a Nova, those headers are all over the place. I have a 66 Nova with a straight axel with fender well headers and I thought that was a hassle to to get those bolted on 😂 ..cool video keep them coming!!!
Steve you explained the fuel tables perfectly. You made to where even a dumb hillbilly like me could understand! Keep the great content coming I love to learn.
As always Steve , you go way above what any other engine builder pass's on . Every day your my personal teacher , this one was special to me , as I'm setting up my Aussie Ford Barra Turbo as a drive and drag setup for our Aussie drag week , and needed to use the same dual fuel setup but didn't know how , now I'm hoping I can get my Haltech ECU tuned like you did with the FT600 . I have the Areomotive Red Belt driven Mechanical fuel pump with Siemens 2400 X 6 as my street injectors and the FT 520 x 6 for methanol on a Aussie Plazmaman 12 injector manifold , running a Nick Williams103mm DBW throttle body . Love every detail you give us . 💯 percent Outstanding quality and knowledge . Thank you again Steve . Dewey was a bit camera shy today , lol love his content .
I've had a dual fuel system on my car since 2006. It uses 93 & 116 octane, and it automatically switches over from 93 octane to 116 octane at 12 psi of boost. When I built mine back then, there was no information on the Internet about how it could be done. Mine uses a simple NC/NO relay and blocking diodes on each wire of the injector harness. Very crude but it absolutely works! I still have it working on my car to this day. It's absolutely the BEST MODIFICATION I ever done for street cruising while still being "on kill mode" when I wanted to have some fun. And you're right, it transitions over from one fuel to the other very smoothy. You literally can't tell when it switches over. I have a couple of videos of it that I uploaded to my channel and on my web site.
I’m 41 and a union sheet metal worker with numerous weld certs. Been in the trade for 20 years. Ended up having heart failure a few years ago along with 4 strokes. They won’t let me work so been fighting disability for 3 years. We love what you do. And if I every get my disability my first thing will be buying some merch lol. Love your boost shirts. Hopefully will be trying to build an ls turbo truck if possible. Keep it up
Hang in there buddy. Keep up the good fight. The one good thing about fighting those fuckers is the really big check when you win. Mine was for like 90k… damn near starved before I got it. Thank god I had short term disability insurance for the first part of it. Took me almost four years because they had a huge backlog of cases. It was fucked up. Just going thru the motion till you get to the Administrative Law Judge. 30 min later. Case over. Slam dunk. They just keep saying no till they have to say yes. Fuckers. Am I bitter? Yeah, just a little.
Thanks bud. May 2 I have court for it. Been turned down 3 times. Last time I had court was 17 months ago and was awarded a year. Ya they owe me 2-1/2 years back pay. I appreciate the reply. What did u get it for.
Steve I've been watching for a while, learning ALOT from you. I wish I had somewhere near me that I could work at that is as knowledgeable and perfectly set up as your shop. You're doing an amazing job!
Hi Steve, use a fuel pressure sensor in the methanol rail to activate race mode and co2 control. When the belt is attached, the ecu knows its capable of more than wastegate pressure.
That's a pretty good idea. Could be a dumb system with a hobbs switch and a CO2 solenoid. If the hobbs switch has pressure, CO2 is on. If it loses pressure the CO2 is off.
@@jagharingenyoutube Simplicity still has a place in modern engine programs. Call it belt and suspenders. Additionally, not all ECUs have the extra I/O or the programmability to do it. CAN bus PDU/PDMs certainly make all this easier these days though.
Thanks for breaking down how you tuned for dual fuel systems simultaneously. I do something similar but with pump and E85. I don't have a mech pump so I'm just turning the aux pump on/off @9psi. I think dual fuel systems have become a tuning solution for many enthusiasts trying to dig every last hp out of their combination.
You can use a electromagnetic coupling on the high pressure fuel pump that can save you alot if you can have the control of its engagement and disengagement from within the cockpit. Similar to the coupling found on ac compressors and superchargers.
I appreciate all of these videos it’s truly amazing how technology totally changed the racing world. Thinking back to the days when we generated horsepower with a GM 10-71 blower topped with a set of Holley 600 cfm carbs on 400 ci four bolt main sbc. Now a day you can complete system being turbocharged or blown system and add bigger injectors and a higher volume fuel pump then have someone reflash the ecm and make 1000 hp.
How good would it be if those mechanical fuel pumps had a clutch system like a/c compressor, then you would not have to remove all the time Keep doing awesome and teching us stuff =)
The load is a couple times what an ac clutch handles. That being said there is a blower on a Volvo boat engine that runs a magnetic clutch. It's a beefy unit.
Toyota did use that type of clutch for some of there small superchargers. Convenience factor goes up but reliability goes down. You add in a extra failure point. Slipping the belt on and off really isn't a inconvenience. Much less then swapping the set of wheels over for a drag and drive car or lashing the valves.
Bad ass! Very cool to learn how to do things in new ways. And you are obviously extremely willing to learn new things and new ways to do them. Thanks for sharing!
Steve, you are that man! I’m doing my street car as a duel fuel 93 to E85…At 5 lbs I’m having it switch over, but using a Fitech, it has had its own challenges..
Mr. Steve Morris, I'm so glad that you decided to do a TH-cam channel and spread some of your knowledge. What made you decide to do a TH-cam channel in the first place if you don't mind me asking? It would be an interesting video if you were to talk about how you decided to create a TH-cam channel. Again I appreciate what you are doing here. Thank you
This dual fuel is really cool... if someone wanted to go cletus mode would you be able to do methanol on both sets of injectors and really get the horses ramping up. If so maybe have a 3rd tank(auxiliary methanol) with electronic valve that draws from the main E85 than switches to the auxiliary tank for a much higher lb per hour duty cycle utilizing both sets of injectors.....without going Boom😅 really cool set up!
I think that Kevin from KSR does always the same thing on cars. Normally they run on normal gasoline but when it sees boost it changes to methanol. Its a nice system and easy to use for the drivers
having the direct dual fuel seems like the better option. Idling in the lanes, moving around the pits, shutdown/drive back all on street system, and saving the methanol for the important stuff.
Anybody else remember when 2000hp was only from blown mountain motors on race fuel only and only in things that were built to fit it? Now 2000hp engines can drive anywhere from pump to pump and they fit like they came out of a stock pickup truck.😂 Because of the few like Steve Morris and GM😂 we’re living the great days of hp.
Back in the 90s I had an accel dfi. That was when I noticed most of my street driving was at 10% throttle or less. It gave me a similar idea. the technology now makes it so much easier to implement.
Kevin from KSR was the first one I heard off doing this dual fuel setup. Not on Fueltech, btw. Super Nice videos coming almost every day. I hope you get that YT money, because the content is Top Notch!
Very cool look at dual fuel So, correct me if I am wrong, but would the following be possible: 1. Come off track after a long hard day at Sick Week 2. Prepare to hit the road- remove belt from methanol pump 3. Forget to shut off CO2 4.Hit it too hard on the street- boost up, no methanol. Oops. Is there a pressure sensor on the methanol system that could be used to prevent excess boost if there is no methanol pressure?
Makes sense it should make smidgen more power, less lag, smoother boost by ridding intercooler. Curious what the differences between spraying methanol pre compressor would be versus swapping over. Either way its less plumbing to pop apart on race day with a few less pounds. A nice build.
NIce dual fuel system. You could make some safety maps to ecu with fuel pressure sensors. If the methanol pressure is low then dont allow the CO2 to come on or switch it off, so then only thing for the street drive you just take the fuel pump belt off, also if you dont remember fill your methanol tank it runs only with gate when the methanol pressure drops and possibly save the engine with dumping boost.
Steve great video. Isn't that how Cleetus was running his old 540 BBC. It would do his burn out on gas and drive in pits on gas. He would do his run on methanol. I could be wrong. Thought it was a great idea..
Another great video Professor! It'd be nice if you started messing around with stratified charging... injecting just enough methanol on the intake side of turbo to cool and premix an incombustable (detonation prevention) volume of air whereby the injectors can 'make up the difference for a stoichiometric burn.
very nice steve. thought you had made a supercharger blow into exhaust manifold. will you try this in the future? (loading the output of belt driven superchargers perhaps by spinning a turbo faster at low rpm) have it geared so it does most its work at low rpm, and obviously 1 massive turbo. hey. when its going into exhaust manifold, as rpm rises, it makes more exhaust pressure, unloading the supercharger(s) reducing parasitic drag, can you please try this one day as a fun piss take. what if it works? cools the turbo?
How brilliant, I wondered some time ago why the drag and drive cars do not have this setup, but I suppose you would still want to remove the belt for the long transport sectors. That done, could the drive part be all done on the E85 injectors? If the boost parameters were left the same, the engine would shut down once you reached the boost point at fuel changeover because methanol pump was isolated if you sank the slipper into it. Cannot imagine the plugs would like that lean mixture when that happens. What safety factors would you add for those conditions?
Thank you for sharing this info on the dual fuel. I m looking to try something very similar. I am really curious how much HP methanol would have made at the same boost level as e85 though.
I think it amazing to change tunes that fast!!! Just flip switch for tune and fuel might be better to save pump life. Also less belt removal. Ac clutch won't handle the torque/rpm? Something similar?
You should make sure Bret or his builder puts in some sort of light/regulator combo so he knows when the CO2 is on, that way if they happen to forget to take off the belt and leave the CO2 on when they go on the street and they run out of methanol + it starts going lean/dieing when the boost comes on it will give them a clue as to why. Easy safety/anti-bozo light. Now that you've set the fuel maps up like this on this setup will you be changing to it for the Wagon or (offer to) do it for other customers with other ECU's too?
Steve: Always Thinking! Always Amazing too boot! Even though most of the time it's over my head?... I feel Ur trying to make me feel like I'm get'n It! Thank You, J
You should install draft lines from a freezer to your turbos. Be interesting to see if the super cold air improves hp and by how much at this level. I’m aware this would be a costly expense.
It would be a really cool setup if you could put the mechanical fuel pump on a magnetic clutch type of system rather than removing the belt. Then, you could use the system logic to turn the fuel systems on and off as needed
Is your transition to methanol gradual during RPM with boost run-up, or is a quick /instantaneous change? (Possibly blending E85 and methanol during the transition). Keeping the videos interesting, thanks!
Seems like all that is missing is an electric clutch for the mechanical fuel pump like an AC compressor and a solenoid valve for the CO2 bottle. Wire them both to a switch labeled "Race" and you're all set to run on high boost and methanol.
G'day from Australia - absolutely love your channel. can we please see a bit more of Dewey? he is a legend - perhaps make him wear a hi-visibilty jacket around the shop that say's "Safety Advisor or Quality control inspector". I can't wait to see the wagon back in action. Take care mate.
Time for 4 cyl smx. I'll say it again so many k swaps out there there needs to be a SMK in the world big block 4cyl with hoops in the heads and receiver groove in the block. 1/2 smx. SMK. Just saying there are 100000 k swaps with broken blocks at 12 to 1400hp lifted heads. The world needs a 2000 to 2200 hp SMK. Kyle at boosted boys can do your test and tune.
@Dan Myers not Hondas. They k swap everything. Sand rails, all types of cars, air boats, jet boats. When you need a small compact engine that's light weight but big hp. 4 cyl making 2000 plus hp would have so many applications. Especially a drag and drive settup. K series honda engines max out at 1400hp and no way they can do a drag and drive at that. Look at pfi speed they split a block in half. It's a big market k series engine swaps. Like his SML lots of swap potential. It's business potential. Plus half the machining for him to make one.
Yea for big 💰 you can get anything built or done, it's all bout what you would wanna do with yr million dollar machines. But if you had the machine to build it from scratch, I'd say go big, change up the design and do over head valve with bottom exhaust ports and make it a 2 stroke instead of 4 stroke.. in reality that shud double yr hp to yr lil 4 banger, 4 stroke is more for efficiency and gas mileage 🍻
This is an well thought setup. 👍👍 to you. One question please: doesnt get the air intake hot air from the engine? Or is the final setup a scooped bonnet/hood?
Could you implement something like this with pump gas and race gas? Pump gas on the lower 8 injectors that could deal with keeping cylinder to cylinder distribution in check. But having a few injectors up top on race gas for cooling increased octane and added fuel needed under boost?
Cool project. Did you do a fuel map for premium too? I would be concerned where to find e85 on the road because here in CO they have dried up to few and far between! The other thought I had was for drag and drive, you might experiment with the transition at like 80kpa vs 6 psi just for the cooling effect. That sea level air does generally cool fine, but racing here at altitude its a problem, you can hardly have enough radiator. Just thoughts for a thought provoking video!! Thanks.
Using the Lambda number conversion, do you think Holley's EFI control software would be able to do the same thing? Maybe using MAP data to trigger the switchover?
It's super awesome how the ingenuity never ends and is constantly evolving. You da man, Steve!👍🏼💯🇬🇺
Thanks
Took the words out of my mouth.
😂 he almost said turbskies
Funny. He almost said it!
@All About Bikes Slide show RealmHopper Starboy glad I'm not full crazy. 😂
@@JnixMarshel just mostly like the rest of us….
@@One-way there are many dull knives out there.
@All About Bikes Slide show RealmHopper Starboy same 😂
Love the dual fuel system and seamless transition from one to the other via the programming. I recall when Kevin Smith programmed this into one of Cleetus’ cars. Not sure which one. Mullet maybe? BTW, great LS build. That sucker is really efficient to make 1000 on only 6 lbs of boost!
Mullet. Steve talked about it when he was going to redesign something in the primary inyectors fuel rail.
Pretty sure na that motor would make 1000.
Yha, kevin setup mullet to run in this manner. Mullets done a few drag n drives like this
@@1982evilj cletus has dyno'd one of their 427 at around 890 na 7lbs was 1200+
@@1982evilj It's really simple to understand how much HP an engine makes N/A. Atmospheric pressure that we all have at sea level is 14.7 PSI. That's what you and I breathe every day. So if a turbo or blower is adding an additional 14.7 PSI then the engine will double the HP level over and above what Naturally Aspirated would provide. This is assuming that there isn't a poorly sized turbo or heat takes away from efficiency. So in this case 6 PSI is adding roughly 40% additional HP over N/A, which puts the N/A HP level at roughly 650 HP.
I am amazed that all that stuff will fit down into a Nova, those headers are all over the place. I have a 66 Nova with a straight axel with fender well headers and I thought that was a hassle to to get those bolted on 😂 ..cool video keep them coming!!!
I noticed that too. The set up is really wide. Guessing the Nova must not have any inner fenders. Full tube chassis deal.
Steve you explained the fuel tables perfectly. You made to where even a dumb hillbilly like me could understand! Keep the great content coming I love to learn.
As always Steve , you go way above what any other engine builder pass's on . Every day your my personal teacher , this one was special to me , as I'm setting up my Aussie Ford Barra Turbo as a drive and drag setup for our Aussie drag week , and needed to use the same dual fuel setup but didn't know how , now I'm hoping I can get my Haltech ECU tuned like you did with the FT600 . I have the Areomotive Red Belt driven Mechanical fuel pump with Siemens 2400 X 6 as my street injectors and the FT 520 x 6 for methanol on a Aussie Plazmaman 12 injector manifold , running a Nick Williams103mm DBW throttle body . Love every detail you give us . 💯 percent Outstanding quality and knowledge . Thank you again Steve . Dewey was a bit camera shy today , lol love his content .
Cleetus did it on a Haltech with McFlurry - the Haltech guys assisted him. Dual injectors meth and gas - it's doable
I've had a dual fuel system on my car since 2006. It uses 93 & 116 octane, and it automatically switches over from 93 octane to 116 octane at 12 psi of boost. When I built mine back then, there was no information on the Internet about how it could be done. Mine uses a simple NC/NO relay and blocking diodes on each wire of the injector harness. Very crude but it absolutely works! I still have it working on my car to this day. It's absolutely the BEST MODIFICATION I ever done for street cruising while still being "on kill mode" when I wanted to have some fun. And you're right, it transitions over from one fuel to the other very smoothy. You literally can't tell when it switches over. I have a couple of videos of it that I uploaded to my channel and on my web site.
I’m 41 and a union sheet metal worker with numerous weld certs. Been in the trade for 20 years. Ended up having heart failure a few years ago along with 4 strokes. They won’t let me work so been fighting disability for 3 years. We love what you do. And if I every get my disability my first thing will be buying some merch lol. Love your boost shirts. Hopefully will be trying to build an ls turbo truck if possible. Keep it up
Hang in there buddy. Keep up the good fight. The one good thing about fighting those fuckers is the really big check when you win. Mine was for like 90k… damn near starved before I got it. Thank god I had short term disability insurance for the first part of it. Took me almost four years because they had a huge backlog of cases. It was fucked up. Just going thru the motion till you get to the Administrative Law Judge. 30 min later. Case over. Slam dunk. They just keep saying no till they have to say yes. Fuckers. Am I bitter? Yeah, just a little.
Thanks bud. May 2 I have court for it. Been turned down 3 times. Last time I had court was 17 months ago and was awarded a year. Ya they owe me 2-1/2 years back pay. I appreciate the reply. What did u get it for.
Oh I’m real fuckin bitter lol
Just noticed the stickers on the dyno cell window, lol. Very good.
Big Steve, you're getting better at these vids man. Seem more comfortable and fluid. Nice.
I just watched the dual fuel setup. You are the man I am impressed and I want to meet you some day . Keep up the videos
Chuck
Yes sir we are always learning from Steve he teaches us a lot not everything but a lot
Quite interesting. I believe Kevin at KSR has played with same type of dual fuel auto change over. Many thanks as always.
Unbelievable !! 33 pulls and you are mastering a dual fuel system. Great info Merch ordered !
I like the dual fuel setup. And it is much easier to control idle with smaller injectors.
Best of both worlds !
I learn something new every time I watch... Thank You Steve
Perfect
Steve I've been watching for a while, learning ALOT from you. I wish I had somewhere near me that I could work at that is as knowledgeable and perfectly set up as your shop. You're doing an amazing job!
Hi Steve, use a fuel pressure sensor in the methanol rail to activate race mode and co2 control. When the belt is attached, the ecu knows its capable of more than wastegate pressure.
That's a pretty good idea. Could be a dumb system with a hobbs switch and a CO2 solenoid. If the hobbs switch has pressure, CO2 is on. If it loses pressure the CO2 is off.
@@bradley3549 why in the world would they use a hobbs switch when they have a ecu that can do it?
@@jagharingenyoutube Simplicity still has a place in modern engine programs. Call it belt and suspenders. Additionally, not all ECUs have the extra I/O or the programmability to do it. CAN bus PDU/PDMs certainly make all this easier these days though.
Steve I’m a LS guy twin 78mm on 05 GTO this video was so awesome. Perfect setup for my car. I’m trying to switch to alcohol
Thanks for breaking down how you tuned for dual fuel systems simultaneously. I do something similar but with pump and E85. I don't have a mech pump so I'm just turning the aux pump on/off @9psi. I think dual fuel systems have become a tuning solution for many enthusiasts trying to dig every last hp out of their combination.
You can use a electromagnetic coupling on the high pressure fuel pump that can save you alot if you can have the control of its engagement and disengagement from within the cockpit. Similar to the coupling found on ac compressors and superchargers.
Very clever and neat solution for the drag & drive needs - awesome job Steve
That’s awesome. It changes on the chip. Saves race fuel at the track. Bad ass Steve.
I appreciate all of these videos it’s truly amazing how technology totally changed the racing world. Thinking back to the days when we generated horsepower with a GM 10-71 blower topped with a set of Holley 600 cfm carbs on 400 ci four bolt main sbc. Now a day you can complete system being turbocharged or blown system and add bigger injectors and a higher volume fuel pump then have someone reflash the ecm and make 1000 hp.
Sometimes, I have no idea what he's talking about, but the way he explains everything, it still makes sense.
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I have been working on this exact same setup on my bbc! with Fueltech telling me it would almost be impossible. Thanks Steve!
How good would it be if those mechanical fuel pumps had a clutch system like a/c compressor, then you would not have to remove all the time
Keep doing awesome and teching us stuff =)
That sounds like a hell of an idea!!!! Figure it out and make your self rich!!!
The load is a couple times what an ac clutch handles. That being said there is a blower on a Volvo boat engine that runs a magnetic clutch. It's a beefy unit.
Toyota did use that type of clutch for some of there small superchargers. Convenience factor goes up but reliability goes down. You add in a extra failure point. Slipping the belt on and off really isn't a inconvenience. Much less then swapping the set of wheels over for a drag and drive car or lashing the valves.
My dream motor and car. And one of Pat Daley’s oil pumps! A little street with a little desert 🌵!!!
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Bad ass! Very cool to learn how to do things in new ways. And you are obviously extremely willing to learn new things and new ways to do them. Thanks for sharing!
Steve, you are that man! I’m doing my street car as a duel fuel 93 to E85…At 5 lbs I’m having it switch over, but using a Fitech, it has had its own challenges..
Mr. Steve Morris, I'm so glad that you decided to do a TH-cam channel and spread some of your knowledge. What made you decide to do a TH-cam channel in the first place if you don't mind me asking? It would be an interesting video if you were to talk about how you decided to create a TH-cam channel. Again I appreciate what you are doing here. Thank you
Your "Caution: You may learn something" warnings have greatly improved! 😃
I'm glad you mentioned how many dyno pulls you went to get it where it is. You answered my question. Thanks steve!
This dual fuel is really cool... if someone wanted to go cletus mode would you be able to do methanol on both sets of injectors and really get the horses ramping up. If so maybe have a 3rd tank(auxiliary methanol) with electronic valve that draws from the main E85 than switches to the auxiliary tank for a much higher lb per hour duty cycle utilizing both sets of injectors.....without going Boom😅 really cool set up!
the sound of that at full is wicked. well done Sir.
I think that Kevin from KSR does always the same thing on cars. Normally they run on normal gasoline but when it sees boost it changes to methanol. Its a nice system and easy to use for the drivers
having the direct dual fuel seems like the better option. Idling in the lanes, moving around the pits, shutdown/drive back all on street system, and saving the methanol for the important stuff.
I would really love to see a followup on the car after he installs the motor to see how this system and tune works out.
Kevin from ksr racing has been doing these dual fuel systems for awhile with great success
As the owner of a 66 Chevy II, I am jealous. That car better have a good cage to handle all that Steve Morris power! 💥😁
Anybody else remember when 2000hp was only from blown mountain motors on race fuel only and only in things that were built to fit it? Now 2000hp engines can drive anywhere from pump to pump and they fit like they came out of a stock pickup truck.😂 Because of the few like Steve Morris and GM😂 we’re living the great days of hp.
Back in the 90s I had an accel dfi. That was when I noticed most of my street driving was at 10% throttle or less. It gave me a similar idea. the technology now makes it so much easier to implement.
Kevin from KSR was the first one I heard off doing this dual fuel setup. Not on Fueltech, btw.
Super Nice videos coming almost every day. I hope you get that YT money, because the content is Top Notch!
You are the god of engines& fuel systems mate.
You need to do some merch men’s singlets mate, we love them in oz.
God bless.
Look who’s come into view right at the very end.
Mr Dewey.
Crazy to see the harmonics turn that belt drive fuel pump without the belt on when you made the pull
SM Badass Cutting Edge Dual Fuel Pkg. 👍👍
Much Respect.
We need Dewey to photo bomb during the show...a cameo at the end aint gonna cut it.
You are the man.. time goes by fast when im watching or acting like Im working in yr shop.
Damn , Technology is Cool , Keeping up with it hurts the brain a bit ! Thanks Steve !
Awesome content Steve, would love to see this in the car running !!! 😎👍
Very cool look at dual fuel
So, correct me if I am wrong, but would the following be possible:
1. Come off track after a long hard day at Sick Week
2. Prepare to hit the road- remove belt from methanol pump
3. Forget to shut off CO2
4.Hit it too hard on the street- boost up, no methanol. Oops.
Is there a pressure sensor on the methanol system that could be used to prevent excess boost if there is no methanol pressure?
Yes will be
Kevin at KSR has this one figured out for automatic fuel distribution while racing.
Yep
Thanks for posting these videos! I'm really learning alot from them
What’s the most amount of miles and events put on any of your LS, SML, and SMX blocks between refreshes? Not an important question, just curious.
Would be interesting to see the two graphs merged in order to show the transition between fuels.
Makes sense it should make smidgen more power, less lag, smoother boost by ridding intercooler.
Curious what the differences between spraying methanol pre compressor would be versus swapping over.
Either way its less plumbing to pop apart on race day with a few less pounds.
A nice build.
NIce dual fuel system.
You could make some safety maps to ecu with fuel pressure sensors.
If the methanol pressure is low then dont allow the CO2 to come on or switch it off, so then only thing for the street drive you just take the fuel pump belt off,
also if you dont remember fill your methanol tank it runs only with gate when the methanol pressure drops and possibly save the engine with dumping boost.
Yep
Steve great video. Isn't that how Cleetus was running his old 540 BBC. It would do his burn out on gas and drive in pits on gas. He would do his run on methanol. I could be wrong. Thought it was a great idea..
That was fantastic info hopefully in a few years I can save up enough to purchase one of those engines from you.
I think you have the best opening ,for your videos..😊😊😊
Thanks
All about the Fuel Return line.
Running pump without Injectors......Flow must remain to compensate Pressure 👍
Steve hangs out too much with Cleetus - he almost said "twin turbskies"... 😂😂😁😁🤟🤟
Turbski's - c'mon you almost said it!! 1:25
That turbo kit is gorgeous
Another great video Professor! It'd be nice if you started messing around with stratified charging... injecting just enough methanol on the intake side of turbo to cool and premix an incombustable (detonation prevention) volume of air whereby the injectors can 'make up the difference for a stoichiometric burn.
That fuel map at 16:20 makes me think of one of the games on the price is right! 😆
Could you use a clutch type pulley setup to engage the mechanical pump on command like on an AC compressor?
very nice steve. thought you had made a supercharger blow into exhaust manifold. will you try this in the future? (loading the output of belt driven superchargers perhaps by spinning a turbo faster at low rpm) have it geared so it does most its work at low rpm, and obviously 1 massive turbo. hey. when its going into exhaust manifold, as rpm rises, it makes more exhaust pressure, unloading the supercharger(s) reducing parasitic drag, can you please try this one day as a fun piss take. what if it works? cools the turbo?
How brilliant, I wondered some time ago why the drag and drive cars do not have this setup, but I suppose you would still want to remove the belt for the long transport sectors. That done, could the drive part be all done on the E85 injectors? If the boost parameters were left the same, the engine would shut down once you reached the boost point at fuel changeover because methanol pump was isolated if you sank the slipper into it. Cannot imagine the plugs would like that lean mixture when that happens. What safety factors would you add for those conditions?
Keep up the great content. Every video I watch I learn something new.
Innovation is the key to success!
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That's so cool! I bet it saves a good bit of methanol too!
I love your video’s Steve, i learn a Lot of it. Just a tip, use a Body microfoon for better audio
Thank you for sharing this info on the dual fuel. I m looking to try something very similar. I am really curious how much HP methanol would have made at the same boost level as e85 though.
Sure love your story ! Man , I hope we can meet someday. With me ordering one of your monsters!
Been killin it with all the videos. Puttin out great content.
I think it amazing to change tunes that fast!!! Just flip switch for tune and fuel might be better to save pump life. Also less belt removal. Ac clutch won't handle the torque/rpm? Something similar?
You should make sure Bret or his builder puts in some sort of light/regulator combo so he knows when the CO2 is on, that way if they happen to forget to take off the belt and leave the CO2 on when they go on the street and they run out of methanol + it starts going lean/dieing when the boost comes on it will give them a clue as to why. Easy safety/anti-bozo light.
Now that you've set the fuel maps up like this on this setup will you be changing to it for the Wagon or (offer to) do it for other customers with other ECU's too?
Steve: Always Thinking! Always Amazing too boot! Even though most of the time it's over my head?... I feel Ur trying to make me feel like I'm get'n It! Thank You, J
You should install draft lines from a freezer to your turbos. Be interesting to see if the super cold air improves hp and by how much at this level. I’m aware this would be a costly expense.
By no means am I a gas guy but Steve you keep me intrigued by your lectures,
Awesome,, gotta make you feel good when a plan comes together 😊
Yes it does!
It would be a really cool setup if you could put the mechanical fuel pump on a magnetic clutch type of system rather than removing the belt. Then, you could use the system logic to turn the fuel systems on and off as needed
Is your transition to methanol gradual during RPM with boost run-up, or is a quick /instantaneous change? (Possibly blending E85 and methanol during the transition). Keeping the videos interesting, thanks!
Gradually
Hey Steve, Isn't this setup similar or same to how Cleetus has it on Mullet? Starts on pump gas then transitions onto Methanol. Cheers.
good stuff man, love the more in depth explanation you bring... keep the content coming!
I wonder how difficult and/or feasible it would be to put a magnetic clutch on the fuel pump, like an A/C compressor
I've also thought about this before while watching some of the drag and drive stuff..
One could install an Electrical Clutch for the Methanol mechanical Pump and manually use it ! Or even program it in response to Track mode ..
Cool… a video on fuel types and advantages of each would be interesting..
Seems like all that is missing is an electric clutch for the mechanical fuel pump like an AC compressor and a solenoid valve for the CO2 bottle. Wire them both to a switch labeled "Race" and you're all set to run on high boost and methanol.
Dewey following the humans on the way to the lunch room looking for scraps.
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Make a plug set up on the end of the pulley that engages the pump or idles on a pulley.
Warning! Genius at work! Keep up the good work Steve! 🙂
G'day from Australia - absolutely love your channel. can we please see a bit more of Dewey? he is a legend - perhaps make him wear a hi-visibilty jacket around the shop that say's "Safety Advisor or Quality control inspector". I can't wait to see the wagon back in action. Take care mate.
Time for 4 cyl smx. I'll say it again so many k swaps out there there needs to be a SMK in the world big block 4cyl with hoops in the heads and receiver groove in the block. 1/2 smx. SMK. Just saying there are 100000 k swaps with broken blocks at 12 to 1400hp lifted heads.
The world needs a 2000 to 2200 hp SMK. Kyle at boosted boys can do your test and tune.
Please God no Hondas on Steve’s channel!!
@Dan Myers not Hondas. They k swap everything. Sand rails, all types of cars, air boats, jet boats.
When you need a small compact engine that's light weight but big hp. 4 cyl making 2000 plus hp would have so many applications. Especially a drag and drive settup.
K series honda engines max out at 1400hp and no way they can do a drag and drive at that. Look at pfi speed they split a block in half. It's a big market k series engine swaps.
Like his SML lots of swap potential. It's business potential. Plus half the machining for him to make one.
Yea for big 💰 you can get anything built or done, it's all bout what you would wanna do with yr million dollar machines. But if you had the machine to build it from scratch, I'd say go big, change up the design and do over head valve with bottom exhaust ports and make it a 2 stroke instead of 4 stroke.. in reality that shud double yr hp to yr lil 4 banger, 4 stroke is more for efficiency and gas mileage 🍻
This is an well thought setup. 👍👍 to you.
One question please: doesnt get the air intake hot air from the engine? Or is the final setup a scooped bonnet/hood?
Fresh air from hood
Could you implement something like this with pump gas and race gas? Pump gas on the lower 8 injectors that could deal with keeping cylinder to cylinder distribution in check. But having a few injectors up top on race gas for cooling increased octane and added fuel needed under boost?
Sure
Cool project. Did you do a fuel map for premium too? I would be concerned where to find e85 on the road because here in CO they have dried up to few and far between! The other thought I had was for drag and drive, you might experiment with the transition at like 80kpa vs 6 psi just for the cooling effect. That sea level air does generally cool fine, but racing here at altitude its a problem, you can hardly have enough radiator. Just thoughts for a thought provoking video!! Thanks.
Was that on 2 different sets of injectors or same set?
great info!! ty
I’m sure something like this can be done on Holley EFI thru some advance tables or thru the injector driver right?? Bad ass Steve!!!
Using the Lambda number conversion, do you think Holley's EFI control software would be able to do the same thing? Maybe using MAP data to trigger the switchover?