The ATI FireGL X3-256 (Radeon X800 Pro AGP equivalent)

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  • The ATI FireGL X3-256 is a workstation AGP graphics card and really surprised me with the compatibility and performance under both, Windows XP and especially Windows 98 SE.
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  • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
    @JohnSmith-xq1pz ปีที่แล้ว +39

    When a Graphics card could run on a 12volt Molex connector...

    • @irfanyxp3489
      @irfanyxp3489 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruh you again

    • @TheLevitatingChin
      @TheLevitatingChin ปีที่แล้ว

      Your mom loves that molex

    • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
      @JohnSmith-xq1pz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@irfanyxp3489 Yup

    • @bytemaniak8328
      @bytemaniak8328 ปีที่แล้ว

      I work on graphics drivers and we have a test GPU using a Molex connector like this at work.

    • @St.Basil.
      @St.Basil. ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao bottom text

  • @Heru3005
    @Heru3005 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    This really takes me back. I ran an X800XT All-in-Wonder card back in the day (wish i'd not sold it on now). It was a glorified 9800 Pro when you really get down to it but man, it had some horsepower for it's time.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's blows away a 9800 Pro by 50%+

    • @Heru3005
      @Heru3005 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jondonnelly4831 Ok...? The point is that it uses an R420 core which is well documented in it's fundamental similarity to the R300 core the 9800 line used, but better. Which is what I was commenting on.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I remember the X800 reviews when they launched. I also got the impression that it's basically a double the 9800 GPU with twice as many shaders. The lack of SM 3.0 is what stands out vs GeForce 6.

    • @Heru3005
      @Heru3005 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab That pretty much sums up what the R420 core was. The R400 core was deemed unnecessarily complex and (mostly) scrapped in favor of the simpler R420. The major exception being the Xbox 360's GPU which is based on the R400 with full SM 3 support..

    • @beatyoubeachyt8303
      @beatyoubeachyt8303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@philscomputerlab The port on the back is a stereo delay port that basically is used for 3-D displays and 3-D glasses I love that there's no information about this on the Internet other than Nvidia 3-D glasses images

  • @AndreeckoTv
    @AndreeckoTv ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:30 3D glasses output (for VR headset back in these days).

  • @MaggotInfestedGod
    @MaggotInfestedGod ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Hey, I haven't watched in a while but I think it's really cool you decided you feature yourself fully in the videos now! It's great to see the man behind the channel after so many years of amazing content and you look great!

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! You too!

    • @tomyyoung2624
      @tomyyoung2624 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES to Ai generated images

    • @0371998
      @0371998 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomyyoung2624 mouhahaha

    • @tomyyoung2624
      @tomyyoung2624 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@0371998 yes one talking about my hotbar

  • @Synthematix
    @Synthematix ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The thing is the FireGL cards are the best ones to use simply because they are CAD workstation cards and they have been designed from the ground up for rock solid stability, they also have extra power transistors, great video.

  • @r4z4m4t4z
    @r4z4m4t4z ปีที่แล้ว +9

    nicely done again, gotta love older driver versions. funny just last night i was looking at my semi-functioning powercolor x850 pro and wishing it wasnt so semi-functioning and crashing upon driver install. the qx9650 system it belongs to isnt the same with a gtx 750ti katana inside

  • @st3f1na
    @st3f1na ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, as always. Love the haircut :). I have one of those, both the card and the haircut. What surprised me is that it's BIOS-moddable to full 16 pipes. Export BIOS, change it with hex-editor, flash it back and it runs with full 16 pipes. If you have the card(s) please do simillar tests with FireGL X1-128 (or X2-256). Great alternatives to famous R3xx cards.

  • @phillycheesetake
    @phillycheesetake ปีที่แล้ว +10

    13:11 Phil I love the stock footage company you license these cuts from, very professional results!
    I've been looking at those FireGL cards, but shipping has never made sense for where I am. Maybe one will come up locally. Thanks for the review.

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 ปีที่แล้ว

      imagine how amazing AGP would be if they had continued to develop it as a video card interface instead of abandoning it long ago

  • @zackreichert464
    @zackreichert464 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love this! I'm using a FIreGL X1-256 in my Gateway with a P3 on a slocket and it's a blast. I have a few Fire cards in the closet so I'll have to look at them and see if there's a X3 in the mix!

  • @smalec2240
    @smalec2240 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally! I bought this card back in 2018 for 20usd when i saw it in your friday pickup video. I was testing it in two of my builds (p4 3.06/xp3200, but sometimes this card was giving me black screen restart on firegl drivers. Today i tried again with catalist drivers and it works flawlessly.

  • @magnum333
    @magnum333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice to see your face Phil. You're a retro legend!

  • @SatanicMac
    @SatanicMac ปีที่แล้ว +14

    ahhh the X800, I recently bought one myself! NOS from Japan. I swapped the ROM chip for a larger capacity and programmed it to work inside a Macintosh MDD tower. An absolute gem for the day, still looks and works great!

  • @playtech7165
    @playtech7165 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I am amazed at the performance of this graphics card in Windows 98. It is excellent. Too bad they don't exist in my country... nothing at all. You can only get GF MX, TNT2, FX 5200, 6200, ATI 9200, some Voodoo 3. I really liked the review, very detailed, excellent that you have tried nglide, I was looking forward to it. Excellent work! I look forward to a high-end Ge Force FX video.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Those are good cards, especially the GeForce MX is a card I like because it's not too expensive. The FX 5200 is very compatible but runs out of speed at higher settings. Same goes for Radeon 9200 type cards.

    • @playtech7165
      @playtech7165 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab I have a couple of each one (mx 440, 6200, 5200, radeon 7200), I got them for free years ago... but I would like to get an ati X800 (at least 9800pro or XT) or something like that for W98.

  • @ruxandy
    @ruxandy ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hey Phil! The funny thing about the GLQuake benchmark is that, at 640 x 480, the video card is still a major bottleneck for that CPU. 😀
    If you select 320 x 240 "-window" you should see up to 2000 FPS or more. Cheers and keep the videos coming, I really like the fact that you are now releasing videos on a regular basis! 🙂

    • @nadirjofas3140
      @nadirjofas3140 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think so.

    • @ruxandy
      @ruxandy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nadirjofas3140 You are free to try it yourself. :-) I did... multiple times.

    • @nadirjofas3140
      @nadirjofas3140 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ruxandy But not here.

  • @HelghastMerc
    @HelghastMerc ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am going to be building an early WIndows XP machine, this weekend. The case should be coming in sometime today. The machine will be equipped with an AMD Athlon 6 4000+. The CPU is really good, but it generates alot of heat so I have to have a more modern case with a slot for a floppy drive. The GPU is an Ati Sapphire X1950 GT card, which was released I think in 2007 and is an AGP slot card. It's pretty solid. I did manage to get around 13000 score in 3D Mark 03 and 8155 in 3D Mark 05, so it's a very solid setup. I use Catalyst 7.4 drivers because I find that those drivers work the fastest with this card and has the best compatibility for late 90s windows games. I was surprised to see your face, in your recent videos. I thought, "So, that's what the legendary philscompterlabs looks like. Putting a mug on the myth, the legend."

  • @Shawn__Martin
    @Shawn__Martin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An x850 pro was my first new video card I had ever purchased. I bought it just so I could play FEAR on my Gateway E-4000. I have a lot nostalgia for x800 series and I'm glad to see there is a Fire-GL equivalent. Thanks for the trip back in time Phil.

  • @ceejay2k2
    @ceejay2k2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice, I had a the X800Xt AIW, was my last AGP card, played at 1600x1200 on a 21"

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Took me a while to find X850s!

  • @mesterak
    @mesterak ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Happy Friday Phil! My son and I enjoyed this one. Unfortunately this card is hard to find and expensive here in the US.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh no!

    • @mesterak
      @mesterak ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab yes it’s unfortunate. You got me on the kick of trying FireGL cards equivalent to Radeon cards back when you made the video on the FireGL T2-64. I was on the hunt for the X3-256 and did get one for $35 but it was DOA. $90 or more and only 3 or 4 available on eBay right now. You may want to experiment with some of the PCIe options like the v5000, v5100, and v7100. Might make a case for some new vids 👍

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      PCIe there are so many options, but compatibility just doesn't compare to AGP, especially for Windows 98.

    • @mesterak
      @mesterak ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab yes this is true but I’m still digging to find something that will work great with acceptable compatibility with Win9x. I am still working on the challenge with the FireGL 8800 drivers as well lol.

    • @retro-computing-gaming
      @retro-computing-gaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mesterak The FireGL v5000 can have its BIOS hard-modded to that of an x700 card and it works great under both XP and 98. The v5100 and v7100 are both x800 equivalents and the v5100 works as-is with x800 drivers force-installed (though note that only 1 of the 2 DVI ports works properly as a primary display). The v7100 is a beast of a card and it has been a while since I worked with one (they're quite rare now) but it does work fine under 98, I just can't remember if I had to hard-mod the BIIOS in that card or nnot.

  • @sly_botts1189
    @sly_botts1189 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a strange coincidence. I recently bought an x800 pro for my p4 retro pc and couldn't really find any good videos on this card. Awesome!

  • @jeckjeck6943
    @jeckjeck6943 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video as usual, thank you phil.
    For me there are two worlds in term of retro gaming : W98/DOS and Windows xp .
    I prefer having two machines more period correct and avoid compatibilty issues.
    For W98/Dos i stick with older "cheap" Hardware : Slot one mobo with pentium2 233 to pentium3 1Ghz, agp/pci/isa slots and all sorts of graphics cards, from the crappy ones up to Geforce FX.
    You can buy/build cheap and funny slot one machines.
    For Windows xp : I will go for fast cheap dual cores machines like intel core 2 duos and all sorts of cheap graphic cards up to GTX 750ti. You can also build fairly cheap rigs and have a lot of fun with them.

  • @fungo6631
    @fungo6631 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    8:49 That card could in theory be classified as VR capable even!

  • @airmicrobe
    @airmicrobe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have good weekends!

  • @djpirtu2
    @djpirtu2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great card, I have two X800Pros, one is in my main retrorig 👌

    • @retro4fun358
      @retro4fun358 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have 2x X800 256MB.
      1x X800XL and 1x X800XT

  • @UncommonKnowledge587
    @UncommonKnowledge587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the dinky heatsink and fan on these old cards.

  • @PROSTO4Tabal
    @PROSTO4Tabal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phil, I watch you from many years, but you give us brand new fresh experience of your channel. Thank youI could discover your content once again, it feel like brand new start. I love your quality content, especially 3d agp, 3dfx and dos. Thank you Merry Christmas 🙂 🎄

  • @7MBoosted
    @7MBoosted ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate you looking at that for me. I must have some funky stuff going on with my Windows XP install. I was able to get HL2 to launch drm free in Windows 7, but just have no idea why the same set of game files would work on Windows 7 but not on XP. Great video, thanks Phil.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed a recent update to HL2, it mentioned DXVK, some sort of Direct3D to Vulkan translator. Maybe related to Linux?

    • @7MBoosted
      @7MBoosted ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab that could be it, but you got a recent version to work. If your recent version works then my recent version should too right?

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      What version is you HL2?

  • @HoldandModify
    @HoldandModify ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First, sorry I haven’t watched in a while. We all have our ups and downs with the content we watch. Wanted to say, it’s amazing to finally SEE you!! You inspire me. Maybe I’ll get myself in front of the camera more. Thank you for all you’ve done and do Phil.

  • @AnonyDave
    @AnonyDave ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funnily enough these are one of the few cards officially supported under HP-UX on HPPA. Got a super cheap HP C8000 about a year back (sketchy ebay listing with minimal detail, arrived and better spec than anticipated) and it came with one

  • @LegacyIvyTerascale
    @LegacyIvyTerascale ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:15 man, that's pretty 😍

  • @MartinGP_3dfxlegacy
    @MartinGP_3dfxlegacy ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this mobo and yes, it is great and the best for AGP. This is the first item of Asrock that I use/buy.

  • @itstheweirdguy
    @itstheweirdguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phil! I love Windows XP. I was working with a computer at work the other day with a bad board...threw their drive into a crappy old dell....got booted up! The nostalga! Her new computer has Windows 10 though ;)

  • @3dfxvoodoocards6
    @3dfxvoodoocards6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting card, like!

  • @maniatore2006
    @maniatore2006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thak you. I rounght on ebay a ATI Fire GL V3350 in OVP and Still sealed

  • @amalegardevoir
    @amalegardevoir ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That 256bit bus reminded me of the 3850 and by association the 4670, you never got around to show that card didn't you? I'm really curious how far can they go before one or the other is bottlenecked by which processor given how I've even installed W8.1 with an AGP system recently.

  • @thegeforce6625
    @thegeforce6625 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got one of these cards a year or two ago, has been a great card in my P4EE 3.4 machine, but that was recently replaced by a HIS AGP Radeon 3850 so the FireGL now lives in a P4 3.06ghz Shuttle XPC, pretty fast card!

  • @Trouba315
    @Trouba315 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had this beast (X800pro) as exchange for 9600pro. My cousin wroked as IT administrator and they've got X800pro as gift from supplier of hardware. There was no need for such beast card :-) Luck for me. Firtst thougth I could live whit this till end of AGP era. It didn't happen (un)fortunately - ATi released almighty 1950pro for agp and my Athlon64 3700+ cooperated very well for next few years. My live whit series of ATi graphics was really great 9600pro - 9800pro - X800pro - 1950pro

  • @RuruFIN
    @RuruFIN ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just installed a brand new RX 6700 XT, got a 4K monitor yesterday and what do I do? Watch Phil's new video first of course! :D

  • @vertujoe2886
    @vertujoe2886 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It runs CRYSIS!

  • @amalek.92
    @amalek.92 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I miss ATI. It was different.

  • @grimmpickins2559
    @grimmpickins2559 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the world of AGP PPC Macs, the FireGL x3 is the best, easily flashed option. I have the exact same model, flashed to the 800xt Mac model - which leaves some headroom (that ATIcellerator really has a hard time with). Action Retro has pushed further for Macs, and PCIe G5s are able to do some crazy stuff with Linux...
    This card changed my retro-Mac, I swear the machine with it's dual processors just sweats whenever this card ramps up. But my torture is running modded Baldur's Gate, with full graphic overhauls... Yeah, I know, way hardcore FPS gaming material ;)

  • @joaoc_PT
    @joaoc_PT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm a simple man. i see agp. i like.

  • @ifrit05
    @ifrit05 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are also pretty cheap options to BIOS flash to use on AGP Power Macs. You do have to either tape pin 3/11 or remove 2 resistors if using them on anything older than a G5.

  • @derrickjackson3133
    @derrickjackson3133 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phil the ATI fireproof v800 has a similar output. Good video

  • @borjaevo
    @borjaevo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A radeon x800xt was the first graphics card I bought with my own money. I think it was 2004. Pretty expensive card in Spain back then, I remember close to 600 euros. But it was faaaaast! Remember playing HL2 at max. The MB I used was a MSI 915P Neo2 platinum. One of the best MB for the Prescott platform. CPU was pentium 4 640.

  • @excess.subiefl0w
    @excess.subiefl0w ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool card and amazing video as always!

  • @romanrm1
    @romanrm1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I modded my GeForce 2 MX400 (IIRC just a driver mod) in the other direction, to show up as Quadro-something. Was so cool that it became perhaps a many hundreds of dollars workstation card, for free. :)
    Of course never tried any of the professional software, but did not notice any issues in games either.

  • @damasterpiece08
    @damasterpiece08 ปีที่แล้ว

    i can't express how i feel about this video, i barely got a pc in 2006 i think, i didn't know which gpu i had but later when i got into pc building and because i kept the old pc i found out i had an fx5200 but can't remember the vram size. i played gothic, dyna bomber, nfs most wanted, quake3, gta 2 and 3. i was reading about FEAR in a magazine called LEVEL which was giving out free games with each issue at the time :) thank you for the nostalgia, even the one that i didn't get to have

  • @AtariBorn
    @AtariBorn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's up Phil!

  • @foch3
    @foch3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember having to flash a blank bios and then the 16 pipe bios, not Riva tuner sorry. The Sapphire X800 pro VIVO I had back in the day unlocked to the full 16 pipes.

  • @AliceC993
    @AliceC993 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Phil, I'm not sure if this is what's happening in your scenario but I have noticed Windows 98 tends to act a bit funny with dual-core machines *when you don't disable the second core in the BIOS.* I have tried 98 on a machine I own with a Core 2 Duo E8500 and it's totally fine, if absurdly fast, with just one core but if I don't disable the second core it won't boot 90% of the time.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      While I haven't noticed this I think it's a good idea to disable the second core and/or HT.

    • @kunka592
      @kunka592 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting because I heard that Win9x won't even be aware of the additional cores so it shouldn't cause issues, but probably good to test if one has issues.

    • @AliceC993
      @AliceC993 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kunka592 While it is true that Win9x doesn't see the other core(s), I have experienced problems with the aforementioned system running 98 without the second core disabled. Why, I'm not entirely sure, perhaps it has something to do with the way DMA works but I can't really say one way or the other what the cause is. Your mileage may vary.

  • @Super123456789Kuba
    @Super123456789Kuba ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Radeon is very interesting... I don't remember seeing an AGP Card with Molex Connectivity on it, also Man... I'm also surprised with it's performance, I didn't expect Sempron to Bottleneck that Card tbh. I kinda was expecting that it could work best with Athlon 64 already... That card is a monster, Lemme tell ya that!
    3:10 - Yeah, I feel like Installing Windows From USB is a Hit or Miss most of the time, Once it worked but the other time I had to use an Optical Drive.
    13:12 - Gotta love these Phil Moments xD

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea optical driver never lets us down 🙂With the Sempron, remember Socket 754 is single channel and Sempron clocked quite low. I plan on doing a 754 Sempron roundup and then, later, a 939 Sempron roundup to get a better feel of where these CPUs land.

    • @stamasd8500
      @stamasd8500 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab I just ordered yet another DVD drive to put in a build (using the exact same motherboard that you use) for the same reason. Yeah it takes a little longer than from USB, but installing XP from it just works.

  • @TheSynrgy1987
    @TheSynrgy1987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've noticed the same in Clive Barker's Undying when using nglide on 98se, There's a console command for Crysis that will show the FPS and other performance figures and info, "r_displayinfo 1" into the console should do the job :D

  • @O.Shawabkeh
    @O.Shawabkeh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Recently on eBay there was a new HIS X850 Pro for EUR 75, from Germany.
    Sold quickly in two days, while I was taking my time whether to take it or not.

  • @zhiwoo
    @zhiwoo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This GPU also is great for being flashed into an X800XT for use in PowerMac G4’s

  • @UpLateGeek
    @UpLateGeek ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perhaps the stuttering you saw under 98 was due to the limited amount of memory compared to XP?
    Also seeing Quake that close to 60 FPS kind-of suggests vsync was enabled?
    Coincidentally I also had to manually install the drivers for my AMD Vegas 64 on my old windows 10 installation. I recently upgraded my system and did a fresh install of windows 11, but I put the old SSD in a USB enclosure and enabled windows to go so I could boot into it if I need anything. That windows 10 install is so broken, I had to break windows update to prevent it from continuously trying and failing to install updates, so it's just enough out of date that none of the AMD installers will install the drivers. But manually installing the drivers works fine.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No v-sync under DOS in the Quake benchmark. Hmm yea maybe 512MB isn't enough for nGlide, that's a good point and easy to test in future videos with patch and 1GB RAM.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      768 will work fine without patch with the basic registry tweaks.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab nglide is something I must try out!

    • @vgamuseum
      @vgamuseum ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab I guess that ATI has always on VSYNC in DOS 640x480 resolution. I never got over 60 in my tests at ATI card. Might be some bios hidden thing for less power consumption....who knows....320x240 and 360x480 resolutions dont have this issue.
      www.vgamuseum.info/images/vlask/bench/quake640fastvid.png

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vgamuseum Very interesting. Maybe it's a feature then, for tear-free gameplay? 😁

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:30 that port is for 3D graphics

  • @user-ir2sy9ut1e
    @user-ir2sy9ut1e ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ^ ^/
    Hello Phils

  • @Mr.Z1989
    @Mr.Z1989 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks exactly like my Club3D X800 Pro.

  • @kunka592
    @kunka592 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pretty sure you can get table fog emulation with some ATI cards but only under windows XP (maybe newer as well?), but not 9x. From what I recall it might not be 100% accurate but fairly good. I'm thinking it was introduced around Catalyst v7 but somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. Heck, this might even be a good thing to test in a video.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Never had any luck with table fog on ATI cards under 98. And usually don't test 98 games on XP either...

    • @retromuel
      @retromuel ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I read about that on Vogons. I was thinking of using one of these in an XP system that also runs later 98 games, then leaving DOS and early glide stuff to my old Windows 95 200MMX.

  • @BlueSkyYGO
    @BlueSkyYGO ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not bad card for retro

  • @Chaotic_cookie89
    @Chaotic_cookie89 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing I dislike about intel processors I'd their coolers, gone through so many trying to fit them.

  • @steamedauroraborealis8208
    @steamedauroraborealis8208 ปีที่แล้ว

    AGP is a sore spot for me. The very first computer that I owned, that wasn't a shared family computer, was a small form factor Dell Optiplex. I wasn't aware of form factors, everything to me was just "it's a computer" and I wanted to turn it into a gaming computer. After I found out that it took AGP cards, I went and bought one only to find that it didn't physically fit into my computer. I was so fed up with it that I went out and bought a whole new computer just so I could play Runescape as it was turning from 2d to 3d.

  • @ZeroHourProductions407
    @ZeroHourProductions407 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was beginning to wonder if the firegl drivers were going to block opengl or not. Ironic considering that cad at the time leaned hard on it.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean the card is called Fire GL and then can't run GL games LOL

    • @ZeroHourProductions407
      @ZeroHourProductions407 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab Yes, that was exactly the problem. Never mind how while the X800 series was definitely faster, a lot of the promised "openGL fixes" ati made at the time only applied to their windows xp driver. Pretty much leaving anyone else to just pound sand :(

    • @ZeroHourProductions407
      @ZeroHourProductions407 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab Oh, Question! how did you get the radeon to output a signal in dos mode? With my x800 and x850, it always gave me a black screen whenever I rebooted to ms-dos mode.

  • @MatthewPomar
    @MatthewPomar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Phil. Love your videos. Have you considered setting up a Discord server for your community to congregate?

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe I have one, but don't think anyone is using it 😅

    • @MatthewPomar
      @MatthewPomar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab I'd use it and I think others would as well if you posted the link in your video descriptions. 🙂

  • @benjaminwirth5192
    @benjaminwirth5192 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, that was unexpected. I have a amd geode running with a geforce 5700se. That might be bottlenecked hard....

  • @benpopovich90
    @benpopovich90 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Phill. Thank you for testing this. Very interesting.
    Just a little suggestion. Can you write down the configuration in the comments. I forgot after several minutes and had to rewind the video to find the info. Twice. :)
    About problems with Quake: Is it OpenGL version? Those cards are suppposed to be OpenGL workforces, so I wonder if using OpenGL part of FireGL driver will make any difference over x800 version? Just guessing in the dark.

  • @MrSeba835
    @MrSeba835 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can use rufus version 2.18 for XP USB sticks. It was the last version to support xp isos. Never had any problems.

  • @summerxia9027
    @summerxia9027 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent

  • @stolz_ar
    @stolz_ar ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have you consider making a video about the SiS 6326 8mb AGP card? My first computer ever was a Celeron 233mhz slot 1 with 32mb of PC100 ram (I upgraded to 128 later on) and it had an on-board SiS 6326 8mb chip, supposedly through the AGP bus. I remember being able to play a lot of games and I have fond memories of it, even though I always dreamed about buying something better but couldn't. I bought a new PC when games started to require Transform and lighting (T&L).

  • @thegeforce6625
    @thegeforce6625 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m suprised ATI didn’t use the full 16 pipeline GPU core on their flagship workstation GPU.

  • @mOddEdLiKeHeLL
    @mOddEdLiKeHeLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice card, but a bit too expensive here in the US on ebay

  • @retro4fun358
    @retro4fun358 ปีที่แล้ว

    This card looks really good:)
    it was a great card for 2004 and 2005
    The Performance is between X 800 and X800 XL.
    Even Pentium 4 3,6GHz or AMD Athlon 64 3700+ or 4000
    bottleneck this graphic cards. I also think you need a Core2 Duo ore Amd Atlon 64 X2 CPU if you don't want a bottleneck
    Even with Athlon 63 3700+ a Radeon X800 never get 60 fps in far Cry even in 1024x768 Maximum no AA. Its amazing how much faster Core 2Duo is.
    I like the Radeon X800 Series Cards:) this cards are fast with Anti Aliasing and better image Quality than Geforce 6800.
    Even X700 has better image Quality than Geforce 6600 Gt in my opinion.

  • @frozendude707
    @frozendude707 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:20 That looks nothing like an S-Video Luma/Chroma (Y/C) connector, so it being a FireGL I thought it might have been a lightpen connector (I have seen lightpens with a similar connector) or external sync. Well, looking at the manual it turns out I was half right, it is a connector for a kind of external sync, the manual calls it a "Stereographics Connection" for a "Quad-buffered stereographics device", i.e. active 3D glasses. Even some spec sites I ran across looking for the manual lists it as S-Video, so I would not beat myself up over making that mistake in identity.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting, yes I looked up some specifications actually 😅

  • @flexxx222
    @flexxx222 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @3:10 Me wondering why I got a bluescreen but Phil is still talking.

  • @elektronischermeister
    @elektronischermeister ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is possible to use the S3TC High Resolution Textures Pack from Unreal Tournament GOTY without S3 MeTaL ?

  • @jondonnelly4831
    @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice rig that.

  • @pete8475
    @pete8475 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good sutff as usual Phil. Does that 4x4 game at 11:40 go by a different title in different territories? I can't find anything called "4x4 Rally" for Windows.

    • @kunka592
      @kunka592 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Screamer 4x4" (2000) Developed by Clever's Games Ltd. Published by Virgin Interactive Entertainment (Europe) Ltd.

    • @pete8475
      @pete8475 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kunka592 Thanks!

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OMG you're right, my brain totally let me down again 😅

  • @Silver4079
    @Silver4079 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey my old card still got it played a lot of Sof 1 and 2 on it in the days

  • @BladeRunner21577
    @BladeRunner21577 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that connector in the center is for 3D glasses.

  • @jondonnelly4831
    @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found that usb soundcards do not slow down benchs or pc like the sb live does. Give a cheap USB a try, I would not go back unless you really want native dos.

  • @sinephase
    @sinephase ปีที่แล้ว

    hey Phil, I've been remembering DFI lately because I always thought their boards looked cool LOL were they actually good, though? I feel like they died as a company because they really weren't but don't know for sure. Any thoughts?

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure, they only DFI board I have is the old Socket 7 stuff. Newer gear I stick with Asus and Gigabyte mostly.

  • @krz8888888
    @krz8888888 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never drawn to those twin dvi cards, always find myself grabbing a card with direct vga out for retro builds. I guess I'm attached to old crts

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Simple DVI to VGA dongle solves this. I see dual DVI as best of both worlds. You can cover any situation.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      The dvi works fine as vga and adaptor comez with card.

  • @dcknature
    @dcknature ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's interesting 🤔. All of my ATI video cards have more pins in that middle S-video connector.
    Thanks for the video, Phil 🍉😉👍!

  • @mibo747
    @mibo747 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that was 3000 y ago ;)

  • @TrevorLentz
    @TrevorLentz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I miss the predictable old benchmarks with scalable decreases depending on resolution.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Charts do show resolution scaling!

  • @Matze96DAK
    @Matze96DAK ปีที่แล้ว

    Good day everyone.
    I was wondering if there is any program for W98 like MSI Afterburner, that shows the usage of the system specs while you'r gmaing?

  • @sly_botts1189
    @sly_botts1189 ปีที่แล้ว

    I plan on using catalyst 5.11 for my x800 card on xp. Do you think the newer drivers would be better? I know for the 9800 pro version 3.8 to 4.2 were best.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure, at least in the games I usually test, the latest Catalyst driver works just fine.

  • @sundeviltech
    @sundeviltech ปีที่แล้ว

    Question Phil, how do you play Half Life 2 Lost Coast on XP? Honestly, if there is a way to run Steam on XP please tell me how. I have several LGA775 computers, I love that platform, and I want to use XP to play my Half Life games but Steam doesn't recognize XP when I try to connect to it after installation of Steam it gives me an error and that's it. I like Windows 7 but that is just to heavy of an OS when it comes to high frame rate and ability of the CPU is only so much so XP is my preferred OS for Doom 3 or Crysis or Half Life 2 Lost Coast or any of the Half Life legacy. Thank you for making videos about all of the computer parts I like, I have also a bunch of what you have made videos of. Please tell me though how you play Half Life on XP, Please? And have a nice day brother.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      These games are, or at least used to be, DRM free. I just copied the folder and run it on Retro PC without Internet access or Steam.

  • @drzeissler
    @drzeissler ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be nice to check for Win2k if there are stutters at nglide.

  • @lee99bay
    @lee99bay ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello!

  • @Rabbit_AF
    @Rabbit_AF ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Firepro cards. I adore the ASUS cards with the warrior woman graphic and was able to score an ASUS HD 4870 TOP heatsink for $8. I could have thrown it on a HD 4870, but I decided to find a Firepro V8750 to put it on. After a few months, a V8750 eventually popped up on eBay for a decent price. They must be kind of rare? Anyways, now I have the equivalent of a HD 4870 with 2GB of Vram.

  • @TheLevitatingChin
    @TheLevitatingChin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been using a load of these that I stole from my old employer when we had a disagreement about toilet paper. Great cards.

  • @LovelyAlanna
    @LovelyAlanna ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question, what's the difference between snappy driver installer and snappy driver installer origin? they look the same to me

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not 100% I can only guess that there are human / political reasons behind something like this.

  • @mariusz76a
    @mariusz76a ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm really tired of AGP cards. I've always had compatibility and driver issues with older Windows.

    • @jeckjeck6943
      @jeckjeck6943 ปีที่แล้ว

      Issues are with too modern agp cards and W98. Stick with older cards and you will be happy. Best bet with riva tnt2 ==> Geforce 2 ==> Geforce Fx . You can find cheap and stables cards for the W98 era. Then, if you need more power for more modern games Windows xp and pci express rig is the way to go.

    • @kunka592
      @kunka592 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeckjeck6943 Even with an FX 5900 Ultra, I find the Win98SE compatibility to be not as good as I'd hoped, and frankly the speed isn't blazing fast for games from 2000-2001, which is still before XP took over.

    • @jeckjeck6943
      @jeckjeck6943 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@kunka592 Hello. You maybe right. I consider fx cards as an extreme for W98. Geforce Fx were designed for Windows xp. Your fx5900 ultra is a 2003 beast and need a beast of a processor of it's time. For win98 i prefer to stick with older hardware for older games like slot one machines with p2 233 up to p3 1ghz and riva tnt up to Geforce fx5200/5700 that you can find at cheap prices. They wil give you Geforce 4 performances for a lower price. Even a 1 ghz pocessor will bottlneck these cards so performances are not an issue for me. For more modern games i go for windows xp and more modern and also cheaper hardware like core2duos and Geforces cards. Consider also that in 2000/2001 1600/1200 was the 4k of it's time and most of gamers were playing at lower resolutions like 1024/768 or 1280/1024.

  • @Henk717
    @Henk717 ปีที่แล้ว

    How well does it play in DOS, is the Commander Keen scrolling smooth?
    If so, this could be a great replacement for my 6800GT if my 6800GT breaks again in the future.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hate me, but I don't care for Commander Keen 😅

    • @Henk717
      @Henk717 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@philscomputerlab I don't blame you but it does give a good indication of MS-Dos compatibility haha. That one, Duke3D and GTA are probably my goto's for testing that.

    • @retro-computing-gaming
      @retro-computing-gaming ปีที่แล้ว

      Commander Keen is choppy in every FireGl card I've ever tried, at least the PCIe ones. Not sure about the AGP versions.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you already have the best all around card.

    • @Henk717
      @Henk717 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jondonnelly4831 Definately do which is why I picked it. But 6800GT's aren't always the most reliable cards long term. I already had one die on me and always am open to better options.

  • @Mathias-RetroFutureTech
    @Mathias-RetroFutureTech ปีที่แล้ว

    The cooler looks great on this card, but unfortunately it's rather loud.

  • @Fahrenheit38
    @Fahrenheit38 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you try this with a dvi to HDMI adapter? Haven't had luck with ati cards and dvi to HDMI adapters

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmm I recently used one with a Radeon 9200 SE and worked fine with my TCL TV, this was under DOS.

  • @SolSeal
    @SolSeal ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the name of the helicopter game Phil?

  • @jondonnelly4831
    @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there anyway to get the 1950XT working under 9x. I've tried forcing various cards but no luck. I wish it would work as mine as an Artic cooler and is very quiet.

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope.

    • @jondonnelly4831
      @jondonnelly4831 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philscomputerlab yeah, I have an 850XT but it's blower is loud it is a very good card. I have a 7900 GTO 256mb on the way which should be fun.