I'm with you, the only reason I know anything about weightlifting is because I got into CrossFit. I loved watch the CrossFit Games and I loved watching the Olympics. Best of both worlds!
So true! Before I started Crossfit, I couldn't care less about weightlifting... now I watch it all the time, watch world championships online, etc....Crossfit has introduced the discipline to a whole new audience. And as with anything, once you try something, you can really appreciate watching the best in the world do it!!!
Though it is fun to see how far weightlifters could take it if they could have more than 3 attempts, Lasha would still take his time to break his own records xD so he can get the prizes.
Exactly. IMHO the most important thing Crossfit is bringing to the table in regards to strength sports is: How good can you be without specializing? And the answer is, pretty darn good, given that the foundation of Crossfit *isn't even the strength/weightlifting component but the cardio conditioning*. Yeah, they can lift reasonably heavy weights, but what makes these athletes elite Crossfit athletes isn't the weightlifting. There are quite few regional level athletes snatching 150 or more and clean and jerking 180 or more, but they're not good enough in what matters the most.
@@kblkbl The answer is: nowhere close to specialists. It depends on your point of reference. If you compare crossfitters to general public, they are fit as fuck. If you compare them to the specialists, they are a joke.
@@wiadroman it’s not really a joke unless they train as much as the specialists. I’d say they do pretty damn well considering they only really touch on weightlifting as compared to an oly lifter who does only oly every day for hours.
@@hittman1412 You do realize that when you say "it’s not really a joke unless they train as much as the specialists" you only confirm that specialization beats generlization. If you still don't understand that you contradict yourself, here, in plain English: crossfitters can only become as good as specialist when they stop doing what they are doing and start doing what specialists are doing, ergo, when they stop being crossfitters and become specialist.
@@wiadroman I assume they are rational athletes, they look at which sport they have the best potential, a specialist sport or a generalist one like crossfit that demands that you are good at a lot of things, but not great at just one thing and hopefully every athlete can be happy with their choice and so on.
@@rsfarris86 i really enjoyed it but found myself looking forward most to barbell exercises and focusing on those numbers the most. so i opted to train for more specificity (also fewer numbers to keep track of lol)
I still do CrossFit and I’m nowhere near the strongest person. But I enjoy the Olympic weightlifting the most. I enjoy the technique and skill work with the barbell the most. Also, most of my coaches are Olympic weightlifters by trade that do CrossFit on the side. They do a lot of weightlifting competitions and travel for them too. So I’m not being taught just by basic CF coaches. We have time slots during the week where we have straight up weightlifting only classes.
Crossfitters are basically jack of all trades, master of none, similar to those competing in multiple disciplines at once in athletics, like heptathletes and decathletes, from which they probably got their inspiration for their sport.
And the biggest difference between heptathletes, decathletes and crossfit athletes is that the former 2 has the Olympics to aim for which is much more prestigious/has more history and tradition and therefore attracts overall far superior athletes.
@@CatNerfer3000 Even so it's still a million times more respected than the crossfit games. One Olympic Gold is worth an infinite number of CF games championships
@@CatNerfer3000 Same with Crossfit, the only difference is the Olympics is universally respected, crossfit pittied, made fun of or just unknown to the general public.
It's impossible to really compare, but just describing 19% decreases at various activities gets the point across pretty well. Usain Bolt's 9.58 would turn into an 11.83, which won't win many HS meets. Lasha's mind blowing 488 kg would become 395 kg, ie Clarence Kennedy could beat him handedly with a best training total of 415 kg. Clarence is awesome, but no where near the strongest weight lifter of all time.
@@M4NOK oh he most certainly is. I don’t think there are more than 40000 people stronger than him in every single country in the world(195). Which would put him in the 1 percent of the 1 percent.
@@chrisgeorge84 real weird criteria there. Clarence is strong AF, but he's not comparable to the super heavyweight sized dudes. He's a very impressive athlete though.
"if elite crossfitters moved to weightlifting" - that reinforces the point about the specialists vs generalists discussion. Performance differences are similar to the pentathlon / triathlon athletes compared to swimming or running specialists. Number wise there is "only 20% of difference", non training people don't realise that "only 20%" is a yawning gap in athletic performance.
Differences in athletic performance are almost logarithmic. Depending on your weight, sex, natural ability and experience level you could easily go from a 70kg sntach to a 100kg snatch in
But CrossFit athletes aren't good generalists. They're shit at every discipline despite taking huge quantities of drugs. Even elite CrossFit "athletes" get destroyed by club level competitors in every sport.
really you just need to emphasize body weights to lift weight ratio, and focus on that practical progress is not linear but a logarithmic function where diminish of return plays a larger and larger role at higher end and no need to mention other lesser factors. 15% of difference in weight might as well be night and day. It's like how much effort you need to study to ensure you score 85 out 100 on a exam, and how much effort you need to ensure 99%. is it 15% extra study time? Intuitively everyone would know that's far from truth.
Great video Seb! The only point I think is missing is that at the last CF Games the weight stoped climbing once there was only one athlete left or if anyone else could lift the weight. In the woman's case, I think Tia and Ani both stoped at 200 and it's fair enough to say that it was pretty close to their 1 RM. On the man's side through, I think Malheiros could have gone for 2 or 3 more weight increases with no problem.
I think he covered that, and it is a good point. But he also pointed out that if WL comps had the same rules (20-30 sec window, multiple attempts allowed), they would lift even more than they do. When you only have 3 chances, and only 1 lift per chance, your weight decisions are much more cautious.
@@pauldavies7251 Fraser was the junior national champion then broke his back in 2 spots. Olympic lifters are no where near as fit. They matched up a crossfitters with a 2x Olympic weightlifting medalist in Grace. That’s 30 squat cleans and jerks. The crossfitters crushed the Olympian.
@@normcmiller Good point - it's not just specialists in movement but specialist in rep range i.e. 1RM. Training primarily for volume is fundamentally different to OLY.
I was the same. Basically only came to CrossFit for the lifting, despised every second the wod. So after a year of that Ive just done weightlifting for a few years and it’s great. If you go for the lifting stay for the lifting (if your box has freestyle training sessions) ;b
I like the way you did this... the comparison for me is running... there's years of training difference between COMPLETING a 10K and COMPETING in a 10,000 meters race. That being said CF athletes are wonderful non-specialists!
It would be far worse. Their swim and run is awful. They are much better comparatively in weightlifting. The top finishers normally have a short stocky build that is great for lifting, it is not good for running or swimming.
The winner of this years swim event, Jonne Koski, competed on a national level as a youth (quit at the age of 16), others claim to be good at a college level before they switched to crossfit. So that would be some of their levels, talented but not elite. I imagine if they were, they would have stuck to running or swimming which are not niche sports.
@@klasholmertz7351 Add in the fact that training for so many other activities just straight up makes them worse at it too. Eddie Hall was a national level swimmer when he was younger. Now(ish) he pulled a WR deadlift, but sucks at swimming.
Finally, someone that makes sense. That graphic is comical. I spent 1K hours trying to add 1kg to a PR. When you're close to your genetic potential, it's going to take 10x the effort to maintain and 100x the effort to make gains.
In similar fashion, the best Decathlon participants would be nowhere near the top of any of the 10 individual events. Specialization has its benefits and selects for very specific qualities and talents which in most cases are different than generalization.
That's only kinds true. Look at this years olympics where damien warners long jump in the decathlon could definitely be competetive in the pure long jump competition. Similarily Nafi Thiam who won the heptathlon could just as well be competitive in the womens high jump. It appears, that the heptathlon/decathlon favors certain kinds of athleticism, which results in some athletes being somewhat competitive in disciplines like the long jump or the high jump, while athletes will never get close to being competitive in the shot put or even the 800m/1500m.
@@eliasandradeschindler9402 I mean the heptathlon/decathlon people are generally fit fast people whereas shotput/hammer throw/discus people are usually giant fat people. Surprisingly javelin throwers don't seem to be the same type of body as the other throwing sports.
Very informative. Thanks for the deep analogy. It's always going to be a subjective comparison unless CF ever decides to implement weight classes . Weightlifters in the lighter classes 61kg to 73kg and female 49 to 71kg produce a lot more robi points or Sinclair.
I think Wodscience made a post clarifying their point, part of which was that this is WAY closer than crossfit athletes have been in the past, and the progression is great as it means more people might get into weightlifting.
On a similar discussion, i'd love to see Halfthor Brjorsson compete in olympic weightlifting in order to compare him with Lasha. That's probably happening in a parallel universe.
I remember James Fitzgerald highlighting the even bigger disparity between top Crossfitters and cross country athletes. He wrote that he found it odd that Crossfitters were qualifying for weightlifting nationals (at the time), but would not be able to make a high school cross country team. It just goes to show that televised Crossfit is heavily biased toward barbell training. But yeah, still much respect to the athletes.
As a person coming from a country with no Weightlifting culture, Crossfit was actually a good place to know what Weightlifting was (take it with a grain of salt) and right now a lot of CF places have people training only weighlifting, because of that I really have to thank Crossfit to introduce me to the sport I love so much practicing and for having the setup i need to practice
While the best weightlifters are substantially stronger than the best CrossFit athletes, the point of the stats at the end of the day was to highlight how strong our athletes are AFTER 9 brutal events
No comparison . I’m a Crossfitter. Weightlifters are on a whole nother level. They’ve spent a lifetime perfecting their technique. Cut the silliness guys.
@@davestephens3246 Good point. Mat is the rare example. We’re talking about strictly weightlifting. Overall, Crossfit is untouchable and in a league of its own.
@@davestephens3246 Mind you - and I'm a crossfitter - I'd LOVE to see someone like Lü Xiaojun take a stab at a cf workout. He might lack a bit in the cardio department - but something tells me he'd do more than just fine.
@@iOSAT totally agree. I literally was just stating he could’ve kept going but everyone else was out. No doubt weightlifters could lift more with more attempts
Some good points on the statistics but I think you read the stats a little bit more biased to weightlifting which is understandable. I think a really good comparison with context was ranking the crossfitters and I definitely agree that placing 27th or 25th is really damn impressive for a generalist. I also have some points on your statement that “Weightlifters would lift more if the weight would be just added 5 pounds to every lift and you could do as many attempts as you want in every weight”. In that event, they had 20 seconds window (the last lifts it was 30s) to make a lift and if they didn’t do that event was over. Also, in your video of stats in Tokyo you said that 56,7% of the lifts were made in Olympics. Pretty often they missed their first lift and in CrossFit Games you wouldn’t have a time to rest for couple minutes and try that weight again for second or third time. It would be over right away. So, saying that they had multiple attempts at one weight is kind of miss leading. You don’t see very often weightlifters miss an attempt at near maximum weight and then do it just a few seconds later… All in all, I really liked that you brought this subject up and keep doing the work. Really nice content!
Also for comparison at Mid-Atlantic CrossFit Challenge (qualifying event for CrossFit games) athletes had 3 attempts to find their max snatch as a first event. 7 out of 40 male athletes made over 300 pounds then. Being fresh matters.
One big factor, The men's snatch at the CrossFit Games this year was elimination style. They stopped at 138kg(305lbs) because he was the last athlete. I think he could have snatched as much as 147kg for 1RM if there was another competitor to match him up to that threshold
Matt Fraser weighs 195 which is 88.something kilos. His snatch of 142 would be put him at 20th in the snatch. That’s damn good, but he’d be like 30kg behind the best. Top 20 at the 2019 world championships with his snatch is very respetable given the lack of specialization.
He does have the advantage of having been a full-time weightlifting trainee at a national Olympic training centre. Pretty good fundamentals, no one else in cross-fit stood a chance while he was around!
Completely fair. One other thing that's a big difference is the training difference. Training to the higher variety of skills will take away from the raw capability of weight lifting. To me they aren't comparable. They are both skill but with two very distinct differences. One is raw power and technique. The other is for a greater variety of skills and strengths.
I tried weightlifting and hated it. Technique and flexibility made it not fun for me. So I moved to Crossfit about a year later. Fast forward 5 years all I do now is weight lifting but still run and do burpees to maintain that sick pack lol
I started weightlifting in 2000, well before crossfit was a thing. Extremely proud to say I got into weightlifting because I thought weightlifting was cool, not because I thought I wanted to do Crossfit or anything else first.
The Chinese weightlifting champions had an interview about CF, they ha ve stated that weightlifting focuses on absolute strengh rather than endurance. While Cross fitters cannot compete in strength, but they are better in repetitions, and it provides a chance for regular people to participate in the sports
Correct me if I am wrong, but you have a wolf in sheep's clothing, representing the sheep. Fraser was a weightlifter. He even got to junior national champion level, in Olympic Weightlifting.
Same with Tia with the women, Competitive international weightlifters who weren’t quite good enough to compete for medals, moved to crossfit and dominated
I really don’t get why this comparison is done over and over again just to come to the surprising conclusion that athletes who focus on very few things are better at them than athletes of a different sport whose training is a lot broader. The weights of Olympic lifters are absolutely insane, but that’s the sport. These are all athletes who dedicate every minute of their day to getting better (especially since there is a lot of money involved for top CF or Olympic athletes of some countries) but at the end of the day it’s a different sport only with shared elements. I see why the question gets raised, the comparison is still as pointless as the one between running times of football players and Olympic sprinters. Still liked the way of approaching it, nice video
Yeah, I was thinking about that point, too. VERY different parameters, hard to get an apples-to-apples comparison. (Not that even the lightest olympic WL-er couldn't have sleep-walked through the event ... Horses for courses.)
Agree with most comments but not with "oly lifters only had three lifts" - they could choose their weights!! Malheiros had to snatch, like, 8 times before they gave him his heaviest weight, and who says that was his max for the day? Also, it's safe to assume that among the roughly half million "amateur" crossfitters (2018 Open) there are some with better lifts but they might not have enough cardio etc. What would be interesting is a low skill barbell cycling comp pitting oly and power and crossfit lifters together. theres a great youtube vid of a 5 minute max rep bodyweight backsquat from the floor. What about Grace or Isabel WODs. Eddie Hall has the WR in Isabel (30 snatch at 60kg) in around 50s I think - would love to see oly lifters try that (after some cardio training) - would be a lovely race!!
I do like that you're trying/kinda giving them credit for not coming in fresh to the snatch. That said, look at the 2 events preceding that last event: the snatch. The amount they moved after doing events that would probably dissolve an average human being, is just silly.
The obvious difference would be lifters can focus on quick twitch muscle development while crossfitters have to focus on slow twitch training with some fast twitch movements. So oly lifters crush the 1 rep max. But when oly lifters are faced with lifting weights in a CrossFit wod like Grace, they get destroyed by the fatigue. Jacob Hepner crushed 2x Olympic medalist Javier Mosquera in the 30 rep clean and jerk work out.
I am a crossfitter, but not elite or games, more of a disciplined gym goer who also likes to lift. I like SO many others were introduced to Olympic Weightlifting through C.F. and ever since then I've really learned to love Oly weightlifting. I also like Powerlifting but I'm too old and don't train specifically for none of the sports, so I'll never make waves in any of these sports. But 1. I agree with this, oly weightlifters are def stronger in this sport than crossfitters, seeing it's the amount of effort and attention given to the sport. 2. It's the nature of the beast. Lasha is prob the best Oly lifter of all time, but ask him to do Murph without scaling it and there's no way. Lasha would fail miserably. So, it's all about focused effort. Anyways, all that being said, at the end of the day, I think it's about finding what you really love and doing that, whatever the sport may be. :)
No anger at all. Realistically, CF athletes can’t be as good as weightlifters Simply cos they also need to be good at running, rowing, high volume gym movements, loads of weightlifting movements at lower weight but higher 1rm % etc. I do CF and I love it and this brought me to enjoying watching WL and your channel is great by the way, my favourite on this topic. It’s like tri athletes, they’re great but they’re not the best in either swimming, cycling or running. The day a CF wins. Weightlifting comp, he’s doping, simple as. I will say that, in my eyes the difference for women is smaller which Tia Claire Toomey proved by winning the commonwealth games I believe . I doubt this would happen for men
I started focusing weightlifting back in 2013 purely because I'd started crossfit the year before and was dog-shit at the snatch. Within 6 months I'd given up crossfit and was 100% commited to weightlifting, and from what I've heard a lot of people who compete in weightlifting have similar stories, so you have to give it to crossfit for that. As much as I love weightlifting it had a really stuffy reputation when I was a kid, it was the weird weightlifting sport behind bodybuilding and powerlifting.
I would say as a CrossFitter that it has progressed dramatically in technique in the past 5 years or so. The top level athletes have realized that proper movement and technical movements equal bigger power and longevity. Obviously this can’t be spoken for everyone doing CrossFit as it is in weightlifting. But the quality of lifting in CrossFit has increased.
if you take as reference training session in crosfit lifter, if you do same thing on Olympic weighlifter, diference is even bigger, some Weightlifter in training session have lifted a ridiculous amount of weight, Morady has lifted more 200 kilos in training session, and another thing is that 70 or maybe 80 percent of lift in crosfit world are not valid in weightlifter world, i would like to see Tokyo juries in Crossfit event, and i think crosfit doesn't make drug test, or i'm wrong
All who qualified for the crossfit games was tested, a couple of team athletes was disqualified this year, and I think some individual from south America. There is usually a couple of games athletes each year that get caught. Their off season testing is not very extensive though I believe, a handful of the top athletes at a handful of times over the year.
One thing you have to consider is that in the particular 1rm snatch event Malheiros only stopped at 138kg because he was the only one to do it. If another guy made the lift they would increase the weight until one could stand as the winner. Therefore, Malheiros could do a bit more. Nevertheless, great video!
a bit more that wouldn't be close to a weightlifter...you can't part time to be a weightlifter just as you can do the same as a CrossFit.....but a cross fit person can have some crap technique.
CrossFit’s specialty is not specializing. The elite CrossFit athletes are also not necessarily the strongest CrossFit athletes (eg Tola Morakinyo - a demo team athlete snatched 335lbs before the lifting event at the CrossFit games.) I think a better comparison would be to how many CrossFit athletes could hit a National qualifying total. In CrossFit if you have that level of strength it will benefit you to NOT train weightlifting more and rather improve other areas. A good example is Dmitry Klokov did the CrossFit games open this year and did NOT win the weightlifting complex (he still finished 18th but Morakinyo and Malheiros were amongst those who beat him.)
I notice that a lot of crossfitters have a very loose technique in the snatch. More like a top swing against the movement of the weight rather than an aggressive pull under.
I wonder whether the lack of a press-out rule has something to do with that. You have a little more wiggle room. OR simply: We're just not all that good at it!
I'll say this as someone who came from traditional globo gym (bodybuilding style) to crossfit to Olympic weightlifting. Croasfit is more about pain threshold than strength. Is strength a factor yes. However as stated in the video it is unfair because there is no weight classes. Ass moves mass is why lasha can out lift any elite. Crossfit athletes are incredibly fit. Weightlifter move weight but at a specific weight class. Each is amazing and to call crosfitters an embarrassment is just flavor of the month and the easy play. If you think they aren't athletes try training like them for a month and I bet you change your tune. But they should also not be compared to weightlifter. That's like comparing Hafthor "the mountain" Bjornsson. To Ronnie Coleman. Both are strong and have exceed in their craft but they are strong and enormous men in very different ways
I got interested in Weightlifting after watching the crossfit games and seeing the clean competitions. Like it or not, crossfit is the best ambassador for the sport as the sporting bodies for weightlifting are so corrupt
Correction: "Just How Much Better Are Weightlifters Than CrossFitters AT WEIGHTLIFTING". Crossfiters do gymnastics and tons of other stuff. "You cant imagine how fit you need to be, to even suck at the crossfit games"
It's the cart before the horse. I believe most of the standout weightlifters in crossfit, either were weightlifters first, or their overall training leans more to weightlifting than the long cardio stuff they do. Top of the line crossfitters are just like top of the line athletes in any sport. As Macho Man Randy Savage would say, "They are the cream of the crop."
Cool video idea. I wish CF did more regulated events (1 mile run on track, 100 meter swim, long jump, etc) so that we could compare their performances to the world's best in more events
LOL! He'd fall asleep from sheer boredom. But - and this is no knock on his tremendous athleticism - he also wouldn't even get to that part of a cf competition. a bazillion Burpee box jumps followed by a shuttle run - or whatever - wouldn't exactly be in his wheelhouse. Lü Xiaojun, OTOH - something tells me he'd do juuuust fine, if he actually wanted to train for cf!
The people who marketed CrossFit bought alot of attention to weightlifting but CrossFit itself to me is just circuit training with the addition of two complex movements.
to be fair.. both Mattie Rogers and Luis Mosquera did a little competition with other athletes (crossfit, powerlift, bodybuilding) and not only beat them in max clean, but at least Mattie out run, out lift and out jumped her competitors..XD
Are crossfit athletes being tested by the holy infallible USADA as well? Because these square shaped human fridges that one can see at the crossfit championship certainly don't seem natural. Not to mention the ridiculous workload.
They are being tested, however CrossFit ® will receive the results first hand so they can control them. Besides all American sport leagues (NBA, NHL etc) testing is just laughable.
Totally agree. This is a poor comparison. Basically, saying Crossfitters are only 20% less than Olympic lifters sounds like they are comparable. Until you realize it would be nearly impossible for any of them to increase their 1RM by 25%, especially when they are already at or close to peak fitness. Even a 10% increase would be nearly impossible. When it comes to Snatch and Clean and Jerk, Olympic lifters have gone so much further down the road of diminishing returns than any Crossfit athlete ever will.
The crossfitters definitely had way more fatigue but that also had way more test shooting through their bodies as they prolly shot up that week. While the olly lifters would have been off for some days/weeks.
These comments are exhausting. Of course specialists are better in their area of expertise than a generalist who, by definition, exercises with constantly varied movement. Calling professional CrossFit athletes mediocre at fitness though is hilariously foolish. Yeah, they’re not going to outrun Usain Bolt or swim faster than Katie Ledecky, but Usain Bolt probably isn’t even clean and jerking his body weight (which is very low regardless) so why are we comparing those at all? A good athlete will get better at something the more they train at it. By definition, CrossFit athletes will always be a better athlete across an array of sports and fitness tests because their sport is general athleticism. Might not be the strongest, or the fastest, but they will be the fittest. And you don’t test for the fittest by doing one 1RM lift or one 100m dash.
So what ur saying is if Malheiros stopped running, only focused on weightlifting and took a bunch of gear he could potentially be the best Pound for Pound weightlifter in the word😄
CrossFit is like an advanced gym class. No cross over to specific sports in my opinion. Let’s see how the pro weightlifter does (I think a 96 or 102 kg male). Just my opinion don’t hate. Free speech is free.
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The actual heaviest snatch on the women side of the games was actually 202lbs by 15 year old in the teen division
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I'm with you, the only reason I know anything about weightlifting is because I got into CrossFit. I loved watch the CrossFit Games and I loved watching the Olympics. Best of both worlds!
As this video shows, if you're into CrossFit you don't know anything about weightlifting.
@@daveblack2602 shut up dave
I think CF has done more for WL than WL has ever done for itself
Funny cause its true haha
So true! Before I started Crossfit, I couldn't care less about weightlifting... now I watch it all the time, watch world championships online, etc....Crossfit has introduced the discipline to a whole new audience. And as with anything, once you try something, you can really appreciate watching the best in the world do it!!!
Though it is fun to see how far weightlifters could take it if they could have more than 3 attempts, Lasha would still take his time to break his own records xD so he can get the prizes.
Absolutely
100%. I did weight lifting only for 5 years just to make sure I could safely do the movments before getting into crossfit
Gommaar here from wod_science. Great video. Thanks for the perspective and nuance. All the things you mentioned in this vid are entirely correct.
CrossFit has improved in weightlifting over the past decade. It seems like they’re still improving
Exactly. IMHO the most important thing Crossfit is bringing to the table in regards to strength sports is: How good can you be without specializing?
And the answer is, pretty darn good, given that the foundation of Crossfit *isn't even the strength/weightlifting component but the cardio conditioning*. Yeah, they can lift reasonably heavy weights, but what makes these athletes elite Crossfit athletes isn't the weightlifting. There are quite few regional level athletes snatching 150 or more and clean and jerking 180 or more, but they're not good enough in what matters the most.
@@kblkbl The answer is: nowhere close to specialists. It depends on your point of reference. If you compare crossfitters to general public, they are fit as fuck. If you compare them to the specialists, they are a joke.
@@wiadroman it’s not really a joke unless they train as much as the specialists. I’d say they do pretty damn well considering they only really touch on weightlifting as compared to an oly lifter who does only oly every day for hours.
@@hittman1412 You do realize that when you say "it’s not really a joke unless they train as much as the specialists" you only confirm that specialization beats generlization. If you still don't understand that you contradict yourself, here, in plain English: crossfitters can only become as good as specialist when they stop doing what they are doing and start doing what specialists are doing, ergo, when they stop being crossfitters and become specialist.
@@wiadroman I assume they are rational athletes, they look at which sport they have the best potential, a specialist sport or a generalist one like crossfit that demands that you are good at a lot of things, but not great at just one thing and hopefully every athlete can be happy with their choice and so on.
crossfit got me into barbell, so even if i dont do crossfit anymore i will always be grateful for it (and enjoy watching it)
Why don’t you do CrossFit anymore?
Do Crossfit man it changes up the game so much and you have so much fun with it
@@rsfarris86 i really enjoyed it but found myself looking forward most to barbell exercises and focusing on those numbers the most. so i opted to train for more specificity (also fewer numbers to keep track of lol)
I still do CrossFit and I’m nowhere near the strongest person. But I enjoy the Olympic weightlifting the most. I enjoy the technique and skill work with the barbell the most. Also, most of my coaches are Olympic weightlifters by trade that do CrossFit on the side. They do a lot of weightlifting competitions and travel for them too. So I’m not being taught just by basic CF coaches. We have time slots during the week where we have straight up weightlifting only classes.
@@jasonberger9 ahh ok gotcha, glad it’s not because of injury or anything. And yes…so many numbers to keep track of haha
Picking a choosing stats is the way of the world these days unfortunately. Great video 💪
Crossfitters are basically jack of all trades, master of none, similar to those competing in multiple disciplines at once in athletics, like heptathletes and decathletes, from which they probably got their inspiration for their sport.
And the biggest difference between heptathletes, decathletes and crossfit athletes is that the former 2 has the Olympics to aim for which is much more prestigious/has more history and tradition and therefore attracts overall far superior athletes.
@@CatNerfer3000 Even so it's still a million times more respected than the crossfit games. One Olympic Gold is worth an infinite number of CF games championships
@@CatNerfer3000 Same with Crossfit, the only difference is the Olympics is universally respected, crossfit pittied, made fun of or just unknown to the general public.
One CrossFit gold though is much more profitable than an Olympic gold
@@chrisdawson9312 depends greatly on your nation. For example, Kuo received approximately 1.2m for her gold.
It's impossible to really compare, but just describing 19% decreases at various activities gets the point across pretty well. Usain Bolt's 9.58 would turn into an 11.83, which won't win many HS meets. Lasha's mind blowing 488 kg would become 395 kg, ie Clarence Kennedy could beat him handedly with a best training total of 415 kg. Clarence is awesome, but no where near the strongest weight lifter of all time.
Clarence Kennedy is one of the strongest people in the world??
@@chrisgeorge84 probably not but he is elite level for sure
@@M4NOK oh he most certainly is. I don’t think there are more than 40000 people stronger than him in every single country in the world(195). Which would put him in the 1 percent of the 1 percent.
@@chrisgeorge84 real weird criteria there. Clarence is strong AF, but he's not comparable to the super heavyweight sized dudes. He's a very impressive athlete though.
@@drewe51 you compared him to a HS track athlete?
Edit: that was just to put it into perspective.
That matt fraser video literally was what made me decide to do weightlifting.... just shows how much more other sports are with advertising I guess
"if elite crossfitters moved to weightlifting" - that reinforces the point about the specialists vs generalists discussion. Performance differences are similar to the pentathlon / triathlon athletes compared to swimming or running specialists. Number wise there is "only 20% of difference", non training people don't realise that "only 20%" is a yawning gap in athletic performance.
Differences in athletic performance are almost logarithmic. Depending on your weight, sex, natural ability and experience level you could easily go from a 70kg sntach to a 100kg snatch in
But CrossFit athletes aren't good generalists. They're shit at every discipline despite taking huge quantities of drugs. Even elite CrossFit "athletes" get destroyed by club level competitors in every sport.
really you just need to emphasize body weights to lift weight ratio, and focus on that practical progress is not linear but a logarithmic function where diminish of return plays a larger and larger role at higher end and no need to mention other lesser factors. 15% of difference in weight might as well be night and day. It's like how much effort you need to study to ensure you score 85 out 100 on a exam, and how much effort you need to ensure 99%. is it 15% extra study time? Intuitively everyone would know that's far from truth.
Great video Seb! The only point I think is missing is that at the last CF Games the weight stoped climbing once there was only one athlete left or if anyone else could lift the weight. In the woman's case, I think Tia and Ani both stoped at 200 and it's fair enough to say that it was pretty close to their 1 RM. On the man's side through, I think Malheiros could have gone for 2 or 3 more weight increases with no problem.
I think he covered that, and it is a good point. But he also pointed out that if WL comps had the same rules (20-30 sec window, multiple attempts allowed), they would lift even more than they do. When you only have 3 chances, and only 1 lift per chance, your weight decisions are much more cautious.
But Mat was a weightlifter before CF. He weightlifted for 10 years prior to moving on to CF.
An important point and true (to a greater or lesser extent) of quite a few successful CF lifters.
True and was never close to making the olympics
@@iainrobin6314 exactly average
But the 5 time fittest man on earth bollocks 😂
@@pauldavies7251 Fraser was the junior national champion then broke his back in 2 spots. Olympic lifters are no where near as fit. They matched up a crossfitters with a 2x Olympic weightlifting medalist in Grace. That’s 30 squat cleans and jerks. The crossfitters crushed the Olympian.
@@normcmiller Good point - it's not just specialists in movement but specialist in rep range i.e. 1RM. Training primarily for volume is fundamentally different to OLY.
One thing to remember is that crossfitters are only tested internally and not by WADA-sanctioned agencies.
Also algorithm
Yeah top crossfitters are super juicy in a way that still-juiced but tested (and therefore more careful/different drugs) weightlifters can't be.
I would never have touched a barbell in my life if I hadn’t tried CrossFit. It’s the strength and weight lifting aspect that now keeps me going…..
Cool story bro
I was the same. Basically only came to CrossFit for the lifting, despised every second the wod. So after a year of that Ive just done weightlifting for a few years and it’s great. If you go for the lifting stay for the lifting (if your box has freestyle training sessions) ;b
Crossfit is not weightlifting...
Great video as always.
A lot of people don’t know, but Mat Fraser was an Olympic weightlifting competitor close to competing in the olympics earlier on before an injury.
Another well made and correctly informative video.
Those who hate on you for this aren’t thinking past their egos.
No manscape?
I like the way you did this... the comparison for me is running... there's years of training difference between COMPLETING a 10K and COMPETING in a 10,000 meters race. That being said CF athletes are wonderful non-specialists!
For the algo: Sika bois already covered this
But did they do it with a belt strangely placed on the table?
I liked this video more.
Thanks for telling us... potato 😑🤦♂️
I would also love to see an analysis of how top cross fitters compare to elite level runners and swimmers.
Im not a runner but grew up a competitive swimmer. They.. suck
It would be far worse. Their swim and run is awful. They are much better comparatively in weightlifting. The top finishers normally have a short stocky build that is great for lifting, it is not good for running or swimming.
The winner of this years swim event, Jonne Koski, competed on a national level as a youth (quit at the age of 16), others claim to be good at a college level before they switched to crossfit. So that would be some of their levels, talented but not elite. I imagine if they were, they would have stuck to running or swimming which are not niche sports.
@@klasholmertz7351 Add in the fact that training for so many other activities just straight up makes them worse at it too. Eddie Hall was a national level swimmer when he was younger. Now(ish) he pulled a WR deadlift, but sucks at swimming.
they would get destroyed.
Finally, someone that makes sense. That graphic is comical. I spent 1K hours trying to add 1kg to a PR. When you're close to your genetic potential, it's going to take 10x the effort to maintain and 100x the effort to make gains.
In similar fashion, the best Decathlon participants would be nowhere near the top of any of the 10 individual events. Specialization has its benefits and selects for very specific qualities and talents which in most cases are different than generalization.
That's only kinds true. Look at this years olympics where damien warners long jump in the decathlon could definitely be competetive in the pure long jump competition. Similarily Nafi Thiam who won the heptathlon could just as well be competitive in the womens high jump. It appears, that the heptathlon/decathlon favors certain kinds of athleticism, which results in some athletes being somewhat competitive in disciplines like the long jump or the high jump, while athletes will never get close to being competitive in the shot put or even the 800m/1500m.
@@eliasandradeschindler9402 I mean the heptathlon/decathlon people are generally fit fast people whereas shotput/hammer throw/discus people are usually giant fat people. Surprisingly javelin throwers don't seem to be the same type of body as the other throwing sports.
Very informative. Thanks for the deep analogy. It's always going to be a subjective comparison unless CF ever decides to implement weight classes . Weightlifters in the lighter classes 61kg to 73kg and female 49 to 71kg produce a lot more robi points or Sinclair.
I think Wodscience made a post clarifying their point, part of which was that this is WAY closer than crossfit athletes have been in the past, and the progression is great as it means more people might get into weightlifting.
Was waiting on this video!!
Brilliant journalism - keep it lit, Seb...
On a similar discussion, i'd love to see Halfthor Brjorsson compete in olympic weightlifting in order to compare him with Lasha. That's probably happening in a parallel universe.
Only if Lasha goes to WSM.
Martins would be better, his squat is amazing and he seems lighter/more athletic than other strongmen.
@@MaestroJericho and he actually practices snatch and C-Jerk
love your videos and this is exactly the question I had asked myself many times
I remember James Fitzgerald highlighting the even bigger disparity between top Crossfitters and cross country athletes. He wrote that he found it odd that Crossfitters were qualifying for weightlifting nationals (at the time), but would not be able to make a high school cross country team. It just goes to show that televised Crossfit is heavily biased toward barbell training. But yeah, still much respect to the athletes.
Because the ped's they take are far more helpful in the Olympic lifts than they are for distance running.
All of them would make a high school cross country team, there are no try outs if you want to run your on the team.
As a person coming from a country with no Weightlifting culture, Crossfit was actually a good place to know what Weightlifting was (take it with a grain of salt) and right now a lot of CF places have people training only weighlifting, because of that I really have to thank Crossfit to introduce me to the sport I love so much practicing and for having the setup i need to practice
While the best weightlifters are substantially stronger than the best CrossFit athletes, the point of the stats at the end of the day was to highlight how strong our athletes are AFTER 9 brutal events
No comparison . I’m a Crossfitter. Weightlifters are on a whole nother level. They’ve spent a lifetime perfecting their technique. Cut the silliness guys.
@@davestephens3246
Good point. Mat is the rare example. We’re talking about strictly weightlifting. Overall, Crossfit is untouchable and in a league of its own.
@@davestephens3246 Mind you - and I'm a crossfitter - I'd LOVE to see someone like Lü Xiaojun take a stab at a cf workout. He might lack a bit in the cardio department - but something tells me he'd do more than just fine.
Nice graph Seb showing that strength (muscle growth too) grows logarithmically
As someone who does crossfit, this was an awesome video
Awesome video! 2 take aways: Everyone is amazing. Everyone makes everyone else look bad.
Okay, this comment section gave me hope again for humanity. Thanks guys
also that 305 lbs snatch was because he was the only one left, he coulve kept going
And it wasnt even on lifters...
His stated best is 308lb, so could he keep going? Maybe. Could any weightlifter at the Olympics lift more in training with unlimited lifts? Yes.
@@iOSAT totally agree. I literally was just stating he could’ve kept going but everyone else was out. No doubt weightlifters could lift more with more attempts
Not even a comparison worth making. However I am happy that you did.
"please don't hate on this video... but if you do, do it in the comments section."
I laughed so hard at this
Some good points on the statistics but I think you read the stats a little bit more biased to weightlifting which is understandable. I think a really good comparison with context was ranking the crossfitters and I definitely agree that placing 27th or 25th is really damn impressive for a generalist.
I also have some points on your statement that “Weightlifters would lift more if the weight would be just added 5 pounds to every lift and you could do as many attempts as you want in every weight”. In that event, they had 20 seconds window (the last lifts it was 30s) to make a lift and if they didn’t do that event was over. Also, in your video of stats in Tokyo you said that 56,7% of the lifts were made in Olympics. Pretty often they missed their first lift and in CrossFit Games you wouldn’t have a time to rest for couple minutes and try that weight again for second or third time. It would be over right away. So, saying that they had multiple attempts at one weight is kind of miss leading. You don’t see very often weightlifters miss an attempt at near maximum weight and then do it just a few seconds later…
All in all, I really liked that you brought this subject up and keep doing the work. Really nice content!
Also for comparison at Mid-Atlantic CrossFit Challenge (qualifying event for CrossFit games) athletes had 3 attempts to find their max snatch as a first event. 7 out of 40 male athletes made over 300 pounds then. Being fresh matters.
People’s poor understanding of basic math is being exploited this huge difference is also like comparing a talented and untalented person.
One big factor, The men's snatch at the CrossFit Games this year was elimination style. They stopped at 138kg(305lbs) because he was the last athlete. I think he could have snatched as much as 147kg for 1RM if there was another competitor to match him up to that threshold
As a male CrossFitter I aspire to do the women"s RX. ;) No really.
Matt Fraser weighs 195 which is 88.something kilos. His snatch of 142 would be put him at 20th in the snatch. That’s damn good, but he’d be like 30kg behind the best. Top 20 at the 2019 world championships with his snatch is very respetable given the lack of specialization.
He does have the advantage of having been a full-time weightlifting trainee at a national Olympic training centre. Pretty good fundamentals, no one else in cross-fit stood a chance while he was around!
Nice video! Thanks for the great content.
Completely fair. One other thing that's a big difference is the training difference. Training to the higher variety of skills will take away from the raw capability of weight lifting. To me they aren't comparable. They are both skill but with two very distinct differences. One is raw power and technique. The other is for a greater variety of skills and strengths.
I tried weightlifting and hated it. Technique and flexibility made it not fun for me. So I moved to Crossfit about a year later. Fast forward 5 years all I do now is weight lifting but still run and do burpees to maintain that sick pack lol
I started weightlifting in 2000, well before crossfit was a thing. Extremely proud to say I got into weightlifting because I thought weightlifting was cool, not because I thought I wanted to do Crossfit or anything else first.
Loving the content!
I've never had to block someone on TH-cam before. Congrats
The Chinese weightlifting champions had an interview about CF, they ha ve stated that weightlifting focuses on absolute strengh rather than endurance. While Cross fitters cannot compete in strength, but they are better in repetitions, and it provides a chance for regular people to participate in the sports
Correct me if I am wrong, but you have a wolf in sheep's clothing, representing the sheep.
Fraser was a weightlifter. He even got to junior national champion level, in Olympic Weightlifting.
Same with Tia with the women,
Competitive international weightlifters who weren’t quite good enough to compete for medals, moved to crossfit and dominated
I really don’t get why this comparison is done over and over again just to come to the surprising conclusion that athletes who focus on very few things are better at them than athletes of a different sport whose training is a lot broader. The weights of Olympic lifters are absolutely insane, but that’s the sport. These are all athletes who dedicate every minute of their day to getting better (especially since there is a lot of money involved for top CF or Olympic athletes of some countries) but at the end of the day it’s a different sport only with shared elements. I see why the question gets raised, the comparison is still as pointless as the one between running times of football players and Olympic sprinters.
Still liked the way of approaching it, nice video
cool video and i hope cf ppl dont get too mad over it!
Really like this type of video keep then coming!
Hahah love ur angry comments. Never heard anyone used that tactic before.
Great video
The CF athletes had a time domain to hit a lift (20 seconds)
Yeah, I was thinking about that point, too. VERY different parameters, hard to get an apples-to-apples comparison. (Not that even the lightest olympic WL-er couldn't have sleep-walked through the event ... Horses for courses.)
Agree with most comments but not with "oly lifters only had three lifts" - they could choose their weights!! Malheiros had to snatch, like, 8 times before they gave him his heaviest weight, and who says that was his max for the day?
Also, it's safe to assume that among the roughly half million "amateur" crossfitters (2018 Open) there are some with better lifts but they might not have enough cardio etc.
What would be interesting is a low skill barbell cycling comp pitting oly and power and crossfit lifters together. theres a great youtube vid of a 5 minute max rep bodyweight backsquat from the floor. What about Grace or Isabel WODs. Eddie Hall has the WR in Isabel (30 snatch at 60kg) in around 50s I think - would love to see oly lifters try that (after some cardio training) - would be a lovely race!!
I do like that you're trying/kinda giving them credit for not coming in fresh to the snatch. That said, look at the 2 events preceding that last event: the snatch. The amount they moved after doing events that would probably dissolve an average human being, is just silly.
I am so angry, mad.. Grumble, grumble.. Good algorithm
The obvious difference would be lifters can focus on quick twitch muscle development while crossfitters have to focus on slow twitch training with some fast twitch movements.
So oly lifters crush the 1 rep max. But when oly lifters are faced with lifting weights in a CrossFit wod like Grace, they get destroyed by the fatigue. Jacob Hepner crushed 2x Olympic medalist Javier Mosquera in the 30 rep clean and jerk work out.
I am a crossfitter, but not elite or games, more of a disciplined gym goer who also likes to lift.
I like SO many others were introduced to Olympic Weightlifting through C.F. and ever since then I've really learned to love Oly weightlifting.
I also like Powerlifting but I'm too old and don't train specifically for none of the sports, so I'll never make waves in any of these sports. But
1. I agree with this, oly weightlifters are def stronger in this sport than crossfitters, seeing it's the amount of effort and attention given to the sport.
2. It's the nature of the beast. Lasha is prob the best Oly lifter of all time, but ask him to do Murph without scaling it and there's no way. Lasha would fail miserably. So, it's all about focused effort.
Anyways, all that being said, at the end of the day, I think it's about finding what you really love and doing that, whatever the sport may be. :)
No anger at all. Realistically, CF athletes can’t be as good as weightlifters Simply cos they also need to be good at running, rowing, high volume gym movements, loads of weightlifting movements at lower weight but higher 1rm % etc. I do CF and I love it and this brought me to enjoying watching WL and your channel is great by the way, my favourite on this topic. It’s like tri athletes, they’re great but they’re not the best in either swimming, cycling or running. The day a CF wins. Weightlifting comp, he’s doping, simple as. I will say that, in my eyes the difference for women is smaller which Tia Claire Toomey proved by winning the commonwealth games I believe . I doubt this would happen for men
I enjoyed that. Lots of caveats for the haters though. I agree stats can be misleading and a couple of kilos is more than you think at the end game.
I'm a crossfit coach and completely agree with this video 👍🏻 good stuff bro, keep lifting💪🏼
I started focusing weightlifting back in 2013 purely because I'd started crossfit the year before and was dog-shit at the snatch. Within 6 months I'd given up crossfit and was 100% commited to weightlifting, and from what I've heard a lot of people who compete in weightlifting have similar stories, so you have to give it to crossfit for that. As much as I love weightlifting it had a really stuffy reputation when I was a kid, it was the weird weightlifting sport behind bodybuilding and powerlifting.
I would say as a CrossFitter that it has progressed dramatically in technique in the past 5 years or so. The top level athletes have realized that proper movement and technical movements equal bigger power and longevity. Obviously this can’t be spoken for everyone doing CrossFit as it is in weightlifting. But the quality of lifting in CrossFit has increased.
Also tia cliar-Toomey medaled in Olympic weight lifting and won the CrossFit games in the same year
if you take as reference training session in crosfit lifter, if you do same thing on Olympic weighlifter, diference is even bigger, some Weightlifter in training session have lifted a ridiculous amount of weight, Morady has lifted more 200 kilos in training session, and another thing is that 70 or maybe 80 percent of lift in crosfit world are not valid in weightlifter world, i would like to see Tokyo juries in Crossfit event, and i think crosfit doesn't make drug test, or i'm wrong
All who qualified for the crossfit games was tested, a couple of team athletes was disqualified this year, and I think some individual from south America. There is usually a couple of games athletes each year that get caught. Their off season testing is not very extensive though I believe, a handful of the top athletes at a handful of times over the year.
There is testing but it's not as thorough as Olympic weight lifting. Most athletes are drugged (just look at the "women" lol).
@@anaussie213 100% agreed all you say, mowen look as men
One thing you have to consider is that in the particular 1rm snatch event Malheiros only stopped at 138kg because he was the only one to do it. If another guy made the lift they would increase the weight until one could stand as the winner. Therefore, Malheiros could do a bit more.
Nevertheless, great video!
a bit more that wouldn't be close to a weightlifter...you can't part time to be a weightlifter just as you can do the same as a CrossFit.....but a cross fit person can have some crap technique.
The comment if you are angry segment deserves all the likes!
CrossFit’s specialty is not specializing. The elite CrossFit athletes are also not necessarily the strongest CrossFit athletes (eg Tola Morakinyo - a demo team athlete snatched 335lbs before the lifting event at the CrossFit games.) I think a better comparison would be to how many CrossFit athletes could hit a National qualifying total. In CrossFit if you have that level of strength it will benefit you to NOT train weightlifting more and rather improve other areas. A good example is Dmitry Klokov did the CrossFit games open this year and did NOT win the weightlifting complex (he still finished 18th but Morakinyo and Malheiros were amongst those who beat him.)
Klokov is also 38 and trained for the majority of his life to perform 6 lifts on a platform. Can’t use that comparison
Pretty certain klokov was carrying an injury at that time which he explained in an Instagram post
angry zack has recently commented on impressive cross fit snatches and copious jerks
is that cheeky enough
It's way more exiting to watch a crossfit event than a weightlifting event...
I notice that a lot of crossfitters have a very loose technique in the snatch. More like a top swing against the movement of the weight rather than an aggressive pull under.
I wonder whether the lack of a press-out rule has something to do with that. You have a little more wiggle room. OR simply: We're just not all that good at it!
Is that a backdrop or is that dude in the background just that intense?
I'll say this as someone who came from traditional globo gym (bodybuilding style) to crossfit to Olympic weightlifting. Croasfit is more about pain threshold than strength. Is strength a factor yes. However as stated in the video it is unfair because there is no weight classes. Ass moves mass is why lasha can out lift any elite. Crossfit athletes are incredibly fit. Weightlifter move weight but at a specific weight class. Each is amazing and to call crosfitters an embarrassment is just flavor of the month and the easy play. If you think they aren't athletes try training like them for a month and I bet you change your tune. But they should also not be compared to weightlifter. That's like comparing Hafthor "the mountain" Bjornsson. To Ronnie Coleman. Both are strong and have exceed in their craft but they are strong and enormous men in very different ways
@Austin Duke and the IWF is putting it back in the grave and burying it.
Agreed. Iwf is nothing but power and money hungry beauracrats. They will ruin the sport for at least a decade if they don't get with the program
Globogym you say? Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!!
@Austin Duke Weightlifting is still a dying sport.
@@bmstylee True.
Who would win at equal weight? A male crossfiter or a female weightlifter?
I got interested in Weightlifting after watching the crossfit games and seeing the clean competitions. Like it or not, crossfit is the best ambassador for the sport as the sporting bodies for weightlifting are so corrupt
Crossfit publishing misleading statistics? I am SHOCKED
This is superb content. That was a dumb article. I am a crossfitter and the difference is massive
Weightlifting is a sport and CF is entertainment.
Do you have personal lifts/sessions on your patreon? Would love to something like
Correction: "Just How Much Better Are Weightlifters Than CrossFitters AT WEIGHTLIFTING". Crossfiters do gymnastics and tons of other stuff. "You cant imagine how fit you need to be, to even suck at the crossfit games"
Matt Fraser also was weightlifter in his young age ;)
Why not use bodyweight percentage instead? It will seriously expose this kind of comparison.
It's the cart before the horse. I believe most of the standout weightlifters in crossfit, either were weightlifters first, or their overall training leans more to weightlifting than the long cardio stuff they do.
Top of the line crossfitters are just like top of the line athletes in any sport. As Macho Man Randy Savage would say, "They are the cream of the crop."
Cool video idea. I wish CF did more regulated events (1 mile run on track, 100 meter swim, long jump, etc) so that we could compare their performances to the world's best in more events
so we can conclude lasha would do well at the snatch in cf
LOL! He'd fall asleep from sheer boredom. But - and this is no knock on his tremendous athleticism - he also wouldn't even get to that part of a cf competition. a bazillion Burpee box jumps followed by a shuttle run - or whatever - wouldn't exactly be in his wheelhouse. Lü Xiaojun, OTOH - something tells me he'd do juuuust fine, if he actually wanted to train for cf!
The people who marketed CrossFit bought alot of attention to weightlifting but CrossFit itself to me is just circuit training with the addition of two complex movements.
crossfit adopts #kickoutthepressout
to be fair.. both Mattie Rogers and Luis Mosquera did a little competition with other athletes (crossfit, powerlift, bodybuilding) and not only beat them in max clean, but at least Mattie out run, out lift and out jumped her competitors..XD
Mattie was a track athlete so this is quite an unfair comparison still
This is an incredibly unintelligent comparison.
Are crossfit athletes being tested by the holy infallible USADA as well?
Because these square shaped human fridges that one can see at the crossfit championship certainly don't seem natural.
Not to mention the ridiculous workload.
They are being tested, however CrossFit ® will receive the results first hand so they can control them. Besides all American sport leagues (NBA, NHL etc) testing is just laughable.
The testing is a joke and only untested powerlifting, strongman, pro bodybuilding and arm wrestling has more clearly drugged athletes than CrossFit.
Totally agree. This is a poor comparison. Basically, saying Crossfitters are only 20% less than Olympic lifters sounds like they are comparable. Until you realize it would be nearly impossible for any of them to increase their 1RM by 25%, especially when they are already at or close to peak fitness. Even a 10% increase would be nearly impossible. When it comes to Snatch and Clean and Jerk, Olympic lifters have gone so much further down the road of diminishing returns than any Crossfit athlete ever will.
The crossfitters definitely had way more fatigue but that also had way more test shooting through their bodies as they prolly shot up that week. While the olly lifters would have been off for some days/weeks.
1rd for the algo
edit: also BELT
These comments are exhausting. Of course specialists are better in their area of expertise than a generalist who, by definition, exercises with constantly varied movement. Calling professional CrossFit athletes mediocre at fitness though is hilariously foolish.
Yeah, they’re not going to outrun Usain Bolt or swim faster than Katie Ledecky, but Usain Bolt probably isn’t even clean and jerking his body weight (which is very low regardless) so why are we comparing those at all?
A good athlete will get better at something the more they train at it. By definition, CrossFit athletes will always be a better athlete across an array of sports and fitness tests because their sport is general athleticism. Might not be the strongest, or the fastest, but they will be the fittest. And you don’t test for the fittest by doing one 1RM lift or one 100m dash.
So what ur saying is if Malheiros stopped running, only focused on weightlifting and took a bunch of gear he could potentially be the best Pound for Pound weightlifter in the word😄
CrossFit is like an advanced gym class. No cross over to specific sports in my opinion. Let’s see how the pro weightlifter does (I think a 96 or 102 kg male). Just my opinion don’t hate. Free speech is free.