"The Home Secretary Is A KNOB!" Shaun Ryder and Tomi Lahren Debate Cannabis Laws
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- In an unlikely crossover, Happy Mondays frontman Shaun Ryder and Fox News contributor Tomi Lahren join Piers Morgan Uncensored to debate whether cannabis should be re-classified as a class A drug or if we should go to the other extreme and legalise it in the UK.
Shaun starts off the interview by branding Home Secretary Suella Braverman who made the suggestion the drug should be reclassified "a knob". He then reflects on his own experience of smoking the drug to claim it isn't addictive or have any long-term effects. However Tomi defends not legalising cannabis as there are different risks other than direct death or overdosing, such as it being a 'gateway' drug.
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The biggest gateway drugs of them all is alcohol and tobacco...
In the UK. In the US, it’s pharmaceutical drugs.
@@Peter-dr9ch pharmaceutical drugs are becoming a problem in the UK. Every condition is becoming an excuse for selling vast amounts of pain medication.
The availability of alcohol and tobacco blurs the lines as to the magnitude of them being the most prolific gateway drugs.
Societal approval could be the largest gateway drug leading to addictions to any form of consumption.
actually the gateway drug is childhood trauma
Facts. It starts with alcohol and ends with cocaine.
Not tobacco tho
What annoys me is the uk is one of the biggest exporters of cannabis. We have multiple farms and one of the biggest government run cannabis farms in the world that sells to abroad yet they say it’s harmful and made it illegal over here🤷♂️
The UK is not one of the largest cannabis exporters.
The UK is/was (as of 2018) the largest CBD or THC exporter. Most cannabis-derived products cannot be classed as cannabis.
The UK Government does not own or run cannabis farms; it permitted a few cannabis farms to be erected in the UK for CBD, THC and other derived products. Some of these products are licensed for lawful medicinal sale in the UK.
The UK Government's view will be slightly different to the scientific reports generated by experts and testing various consumptions of cannabis and derived products.
UKHSA would state the scientific aspects.
UKHSA may be asked to consult on the societal effects.
UK Government would produce a report on the societal effects and make a judgement resulting in a policy to be tabled in the House of Commons.
@@MaXwellFalstein I thought the CBD oils didn't even contain THC ?
@@Joes45 correct
@@Joes45 pure CBD oils do not contain THC which is why CBD is not considered cannabis and is permitted outside of the Class B regulations. Some THC products can be outside Class B regulations; however, it is a minefield.
Most CBD products contain trace amounts of THC because the filtering processes are complex and expensive.
cos it's disgusting, and literally wrecks the brain of people. Why should people have to breathe it in on a secondary basis because idiots wanna fuck their heads up?
The only reason weed is a gateway drug is because your dealer one day says "I also sell coke" 😂
Piers Morgan is the reason why people hate the British so much a n arsenal he showed that anyone can get a tv show
@@seanbarnes6985 You should have heard what the world thinks about America🐵🦧
@@luringen947 I agree
100% 🤣
booze is the biggest 'gateway' drug of them all
Woman blaming opioid epidemic on pot? 😂
Ask any heroin addict & I bet they'll tell you they started off smoking weed ✌🏽
@@TrebleSum while I know it might seem true, they proved the gateway theory wrong a long time ago. By those rules it would be nicotine or alcohol 🤔✌🏻❤️
@@TrebleSum I smoked weed for years and anyone I know who have smoked it for years wouldn’t even know anyone who does heroin let alone try it
@@TrebleSum I've known quite a few heroin users and not one of them "started off" smoking weed. I use cannabis now, and did back in college, yet I never used heroin despite it being available. Care to explain? No, escalating drug abuse has nothing to do with a particular drug and everything to do with an addictive personality, a predisposition to addiction. Almost every drug addict ever has other aspects of compulsiveness in their life. You might try to do a little research before you make random statements about subject matter of which you have zero understanding.
@@TwilightxKnight13 you tell it Bob
What Tomi Lahren actually was saying is that Colorado is a degenerate state because they no longer vote Republican. There are plenty of homeless people in Florida, Texas, and other "red states". Don't be fooled by drugs as the cause of homelessness across the US. The states that are warmer tend to have the higher populations of homeless people. States that have the highest rents also have higher populations of homeless. Colorado has an average of 9800 homeless people in 2022.
I would say the state is still votes red outside Denver, Fort Collins and Boulder to be honest. Aurora has a republican city council and board of trustees right now. Tomi is just a moron giving twitter punchlines.
As a coloradan I agree. Way too many texans travel here to get weed.
@@xxxytheguy1296 but then they leave, to get back to their jobs and families.
@@bmt3315 yeah cause they cant afford to live here in Colorado, so expensive the only thing keeping me here is the threat of nuclear weapons.
@@xxxytheguy1296 or they just want the weed, Texas is a lot better than Colorado as far as getting your moneys worth.
Hey Tomi show me one legal dispensary that sells laced weed, oh yeah that's right it's all on the streets
90% of Californian cannabis is still sold on the black market due to the higher prices brought by regulation and taxes. So really people will naturally unintentionally resort to the ‘laced weed’ because it’s cheaper.
@@tomknox4054 don't give me data without citing the source. Even if that is true, the price difference isn't really that bad so if you don't go to a dispensary you either don't have a valid ID or your dumb
@@tomknox4054 Not true, LOL
Marijuana laced with Fentanyl?! What is she talking about 😂
shes gone full bimbo mode. got no idea whats coming out of her mouth
She smoking crack....
And you assume it is not possible to lace Marijuana with Fentanyl? Hahhahahaha… great! Good for you! Enjoy your weed indeed!
@@lucialindeboom1382 but it’s not the weed that’s going to make you od and die. If there are those that do that, they’re pretty much wasting weed.
@@lucialindeboom1382 it’s possible yes from cross contamination but I’d say 99.9% of people don’t do it on purpose
What’s worse smoking weed on a Friday night or drinking?
Because those who really addicted to weed will not just smoke on a Friday night!
@@lucialindeboom1382 and those who are really addicted to drinking won’t ? 🤨 so what’s worse
@@cryptosammy exactäy because those addicted to drinking will too! That is why!
What's worse sexual harassment or murder? See? One is less severe than the other so we should legalized them!
@@lucialindeboom1382 alcohol is worse than weed nothing wrong with smoking weed you don’t make stupid decisions you don’t get in fights you don’t overdose you don’t get violent or argumentative the worst thing about it is you might end up eating more food 😂
It’s a gateway/door…..to the refrigerator! But that’s it for your typical pot smokers! Many of my friends & I have smoked since the 70’s. I’ve had a medical marijuana card for years, & now it’s legal to smoke in many US states, including mine! My friends who smoke & I have all been respectable, responsible & productive adults for over 40 years. As far as I know, we all follow a few basic rules regarding smoking: 1) Only smoke at home or in a friend’s home, 2) don’t drive or operate dangerous machinery unless you’re sure you’re not impaired, 3) NEVER smoke around children or young teens (under 18), & 4) don’t smoke if you have any responsibilities to fulfill before you’re no longer high cuz it’s probably not going to get done. Same basic rules you should follow when drinking alcohol. Don’t stumble over the stigma of the word “pot.” And STOP thinking the dazed & confused perpetually stoned guy in the movies is your typical pot smoker. He’s not. He’s the poster boy for what NOT to do when you’re high. For every waster forever stoner, there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of people YOU KNOW or see frequently whom you’ll never know smoke because they’re normal, responsible adults.
99% of pot smokers? Would you mind backing up this claim of yours with actual authentic sources?
@@zaczeen1121 Got a little carried away there & have adjusted MY OPINION.
@@janinestearns7288 well said Janine 👏
@@doncostellolo5408 Thank you! Time somebody said it!
I've buried friends and family due to alcoholism. Never ever with bud. Weird moving to Class A
I've buried an uncle who was killed by an impaired teenage driver who was impaired by pot. High as a kite. So high she was laughing after the collision. America has an accountability problem that will probably never get better until a president or famous celebrity loses a child to a drunk or high driver or even worse, someone driving distracted by their phone which is probably the majority of drivers
@@bigboss9756 absolute shite don't use dumb people as examples
@@bigboss9756 stoners
Funny how they got a bloke who doesn't look in the best of shape defending cannabis
And a lady who looks attractive and switched on,against cannabis
that's how we are creating opinions
Piers should’ve asked Tomi how many pounds of makeup she has on her face
why are you so misogynistic?
Alcohol is a bigger gateway to hard drugs
My sister had cancer, she couldn’t cope with the pain till we got her weed and made oil. We binned all the meds they have her which all had stupid side effects.
As somebody who has both smoked cannabis and drank alcohol i can tell you in a party setting if i am drinking alcohol it is more likely for me and my friends to go in search of something stronger where as if we were smoking cannabis we are more likely to have an early relaxed night as we are all too layer back for things to get hectic. Alcohol is more of a gateway drug than cannabis…
It's only a gateway because it's illegal and you have to buy it from shady people.... Absolutely ridiculous logic. Look at nation states where it is legal and see how drug addictions lower.
It's a plant. If people want to enjoy it let them. Apply the same rules to alcohol. Can't drive while high, can't be publicly intoxicated, etc.
Tomi is usually on point about most topics but she needs to do some more research on this one.
Research wouldn't change her opinion - she already knows the basic facts, which are contrary to almost everything she said. She only holds this anti-cannbis view because she's an unprincipled hack.
Agreed
She needs to smoke weed.
Nah I’ve seen Tomi in passing here and there, she just strikes as an ignorant loudmouth who hasn’t spent an hour in the real world.
I imagine she’s been a bit of a pampered princess who’s been told how to think and never questioned much.
@@BeanieBoyification very possible, then her handlers are off on this one.
God bless him but I'm not sure Shaun's the best advocate for legalising drugs on the basis they have no long term effects.
Tomi Lahren hit the wall hard 🥴
It’s inevitable
She's still attractive.
@@Flamethrower1942 Not really
The wall is undefeated!
This whole fentnyl argument doesn't work in the uk love
...and anyway, it would be a good argument FOR legalizing weed.
I see the narrative you pushing... why didn’t you pick a more educated person to speak for weed? Hmmm... I see through you
I've never heard of someone beating their loved ones in a fit of rage from smoking cannabis, unlike Alcohol.
shaun ryder looks like yoda. too many pills thrills and bellyaches
no disrespect to shaun ryder he is legend and made some great music and is a iconic figure from manchester, however to even get him on this show to give the pros for marijuana is pushing a certiain agender as he is a renoun party animal that is know for experementing with illegal drugs and before he even opens his mouth viewers are associating the kind of people that want to see possitive soloutions for cannabis with him.. yes what he said is a honest, correct and from personal experience but get a proffessional on here who can give some real facts and figures about the benefits of cannabis and suggest some possitive steps on how we can all benefit from some changes within the law.. also what shawn said is so true if people dont like it they wont smoke it and the people that do will do! let people live thier lives and mind thier own business wothout inturptions from bogus laws!!
I am now 73, a smoked cannabis for many years. Problem for me was that I never got anything done. It made me lazy. I don't think cannabis is addictive, not in my case anyway, I could be wrong.
Should it be legalised, why not. I mean alcohol, is also a drug and addictive. Alcohol abuse has ruined many lives, and has also killed people. People can become antisocial when drunk, even violent. With cannabis, I have never heard of anyone becoming antisocial or violent when using it. In fact, I think the opposite is true. I used cannabis when I was stressed, and yes, it helped. It's a sad fact that we now live in a very stressful time, more so than ever before. It is also a sad fact that there are people who feel the need for some sort of stimulant to enjoy life or to simply relax.
Theres 2 types of cannabis Indica which has no head high that one males you kind of lazy like you will just want to sit down then theres sativa which jas a head high and is euphoric wakes you up and you actually enjoy doing things more for some reason they are desperate for us to not have the one that wakes us up
Shaun Ryder the best argument why cannabis should be criminalised, look at the feckin state of him 😬😬😬
nothing to do with weed
Exactly....The waster is a fucking wreck...Best promotion ever to make it Class-A....All stoners end up wasters....Fact.
@@7Earthsky You're leaving comments on youtube videos and you ain't high? Sickening - Fact!
@@user-rr4xt8du6c everything to do with drugs in general, he’s a muppet
@@bigsmoke-je3rv yawn, stick to skinnin up, your opinion is worthless 🙄
Cannabis has thousands of cannabinoids in it with different effects. Wouldn't it be better for people to find out the best strains for them
It would be far better yes ive smoled it for 30 years and every strain is a bit different you want ones your personally comfortable with it seems to me we will end up with cannabis that is not even that great just the stuff that tires you out
Alcohol is worse than weed. And also it is legal in Amsterdam and there arent ‘pot heads’ everywhere
Agree with piers alcohol is x10 worse than cannabis
A debate between the Bad Boy of Baggy and Fascist Barbie???? It's official. NOW I've seen everything !!
Of course it should be legal, it is in ALL OF CANADA 🇨🇦 and ….. nothing happened. 😂
Tomi's drug of choice is orange kool-aid, which is also a gateway drug btw.
the red one is way worse
Bwahaha you Shawn Ryder on here 😆
Pier Morgan, the civilizing process is sttill happening, not between states, but in the ego(individual) vs alterego(society) or internal vs external level of things.
Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug
Blondie talks a lot but hasn't said anything.
should be legalised.. it will never be stamped out entirely.. prohibition of alcohol in america proves this.. at least in the hands of the government it is clean and even a watered down version thats lighter.. plus it can be taxed.
Take a look at cities like Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco and L.A etc.
Going down the "compassionate" and liberal path isn't always the humane option.
Smoking weed is still a potent way to establish a mindset that's not conducive to a happy and productive life. Im speaking from experience.
Alcohol is a potent gateway drug also. You can't ignore the damage the booze has done too.
Yet another prime example of how useless and out of touch this gov is. In not publicly recognising the vast medicinal properties and revenue generation potential of cannabinoids, along with the many safe methods of use now available, is simply another step towards authoritarian control. It’s frankly equal to saying that puppies are bad for your health! Moving from recreational Cannabis use in my early 20’s, I started light use as it was helping with depression, and pain management for a bad back. I stopped 10 yrs ago through difficulties in supply, I have since suffered a rapid decline in my mental health, I have even considering a move to a more forward thinking nation, like Canada.
Might as well move to russia 🤦♂️
@@xxxytheguy1296 Why?
@@TheSillif because Canada is communist asf, how they handled covid alone should be proof enough.
People were queuing for days to look at a body of an old lady, I've given up hope that this country will legalise weed and guess what drug dealers are celebrating that fact
Suuuure
Tomi.. that girl is so uninformed.... way to go.. not answering the comparison of alcohol to marijuana...
PM is right there are no two more unlikely people he could have had on to debate this 😅
Piers won this one
The Tories legalised weed for medicinal reasons in 2018! I have a private prescription for cannabis. Why does nobody seem to know that?
I at first thought it said cannibal
🤣
Tomi is talking but she ain't saying shit
I want to follow this man into battle and defeat William the Conqueror.
love the contrast in debate here 😅
WHY IS SHAUN RYDER THE CHOICE FOR THIS DEBATE / DISCUSSION. Lol he looks like something from lord of the rings.
I don't think this woman realises she's arguing FOR cannabis legalisation... Her response to the fact that no one has OD'd on cannabis but have on alcohol is about studies into the long term effects of cannabis... Ok but no matter the effects, it can't kill you but alcohol can. And she talks about the lack of regulation... That LITERALLY calls for legalisation
Pierce Brosnan........ Pier Morgan, Pierce Brosnan,,,,, Pier Morgan, Pierce Bronsan..... Pier Morgan, what i'm trying to say is, can a drill pierce the pier? Or, do people use an drill to pierce the pier?
Justifying her silly opinion by saying "we have a big problem with it being laced". How many legal dispensaries have had their product laced with fentanyl? Most people don't start with a needle in their arm...or a joint...they start with ALCOHOL.
Dafaq happened to Shaun Ryder? He's unrecognizable.
My adverse affect is: ...Pass me the rock hard doughnut Bez.....
Cannabis isn't addictive nor is it a gateway drug. Both myths.
Ms. Tommi, that's silly about Denver.
"I'm not hear to talk about alcohol "
Alcohol can kill you, cannabis can't.
"Laced with fentanyl "???
Not if it's sold from a government is selling it.
Legalise it for adults watch the tax improve millions of lives around the uk it’s time to move forward and try something new
Legalising Cannabis would fix all the issues Piers is arguing. The reason why there are cases of individuals having bad experiences is because it is unregulated. Go to countries where it is legalised, the THC and CBD levels are clearly displayed. What's on the streets now is effectively moonshine, legalisation would open the market to melower strains which wouldn't risk psychosis.
You dont go around begging for your next fix. You dont spend a fortune on cut up rubbish coke. You dont end up in hospital with a broken nose for being drunk. You dont ruin your life on cannabis. Like divorce, loosing your kids, job, home. Dignity.
The evil weed...I don't think so, this incredible plant has been used for many thousands of years in many different forms.
It's completely and utterly ridiculous. It should be legal. Many scientific studies have proven cannabis helps people with serious illness, to manage chronic pain. It's legal to have a prescription. A few years ago, a court ruled that controlled cannabis should be given to this young boy who was suffering from seizures, and guess what? His seizures stopped and now he has a better quality of life. Lots of people smoke it, at festivals, parties etc. No one has ever been stopped at Glastonbury for smoking a bit of weed. For the government to make this a class A drug is bonkers.
Who the fuck unironically invites Tomi Lahren anywhere in 2022???
Damn , I thought Tomi would like weed .
And im conservative.
I’m from uk , I don’t smoke pot
Infact I would hate smoking it because I don’t like the way it makes me feel,
But when my daughter told me she’d tried it at 20 I wasn’t bothered at all
It’s what young ppl do we all make mistakes in life ,
And my mates that smoke it every day and have done since we was 13/14 have better jobs than me tbh ,
Ye she’s full of shit I’ve smoked weed for 16 years and I’ve never experienced a bad effect of it. The only bad side effect is the price of it and as a daily smoker i spend a lot on weed and like that guy said if it becomes a problem you just stop smoking it and that seems to work fine for me. Some of the most successful and healthy people in the world smoke weed. Also I believe I am old enough to decide what I do with myself and my body. I don’t drink alcohol and I don’t do any other drugs so I like to smoke a weed and as a regular gym goer I find it helps me with aches and pains. Most people I’m around can’t even tell when I’m stoned because I’m more or less exactly the same just with a better mood and more relaxed . It’s only harmful if you smoke it there are many ways to take it without damaging your lungs like eating space cakes
Ive neen plaqued with my house filling with a really strong cannabis stench for 18 months i have now cleared the problem.
Its ok im not against cannabis, i just think there should be rules as to where you can smoke it and wether it affects say a neighbour such as myself.
Tomi the voice piece of nonsense. Honestly the fentanyl point is ridiculous. If it’s regulated then the regulator is responsible for ensuring the quality of the product as with all other consumables.
Gateway drug argument is silly. Tobacco is the gateway drug for weed so do we ban that?
Part of the problem in America is that it’s legal in some states and not others. So I’m sure those who want to take it have moved however rather than chucking around silly unsubstantiated claims maybe we could be some data.
It's a simple choice really. Do you believe people who smoke pot should be in jail or no? And before you answer, make sure you'd give the same answer for alcohol.
I'm not having you have pot heads lying in the street 😂😂. let's look at what alcohol does for society and all the crime and poverty that causes.
there are adverse affects with food for example sugar you get fat lazy and die if you have to much salt you can die even to much water you can die you how ether cannot die if you eat or smoke weed the only disaffects are happiness and the inability to not be relaxed.
Pier Morgan, i think that once i've heard from a guy Named Prince Hairy that serving the british army is similar to playing call of duty. Pier Morgan have you ever played call of duty? Now Pier Morgan think with me, can a man that weights 220 pounds and is the best player in COD, perform the same way in the british army?
To find out what sort of person Shaun Ryder really is , watch the interview with his brother Paul 12 days before his death .
Everyone smokes Weed so why not officially decriminalise it as it is defacto legalised anyway.
What a pointless debate.
Cannabis has been de facto legal for about 40 years. it doesn't matter what class it is if the police and judiciary don't bother to prosecute.
The lack of insight and expert knowledge in this conversation for this popular of a show is sad.
I can honestly say fuck the law I puff weed as it helps with chronic pain and I will continue to puff until the pain goes away not because of some law been wriiten
Bottom of the line if alcohol is readily available in both the uk and usa like it is then cannabis legalization is of no question.
I was in Arizona for a few months this year, it was definitely legal for non American citizens
I think what he is referring to is that because its federally illegal it can cause major problems for immigrant non-citizens..: i.e if you have a greencard and admit to using or are caught with weed in a non legal state then that can make you illegible tor US citizenship
Uk leaves weed control in the hands of the growers and dealers
She has a polarised view
Cannabis vs alcohol - cannabis is safer for yourself and others around you.
Cannabis has the potential to bring billions into the economy
Potheads living on the side of the street ? That’s white and brown not green
where did they find this American presenter love island?
Such rubbish, marijuana is legal here in the Netherlands. It's not a perfect industry yet but we tax it, we can regulate what legal distributors put through it and honestly demographically speaking, it is not that common average Dutch residents smoke pot. Cigarettes are much worse and have zero added effect except satisfying addiction. Decriminalising drugs is the way to regulate them and allow those addicted to shamelessly seek help. American homelessness is purely because of Republicans and their 'if you don't work , you don't get shit' mentality. Try telling that to a heroine addict.
Thank you, Andreas
Sean. The drugs just make you worse..
We should catch up with America on nothing Piers everything America does we should do the opposite, look at the state of the yanks there finished
Relax lady it's just weed come get high with th gang
If you're addicted to the War on Drugs please get help for your addiction. Recovery is possible.
People are smoking it anyway!. Making it illegal doesn't do anything.
That American with such a 'natural look' lol
Not for nothing piers , you're an Ahole British rule soldier ! People have had bad fatal reactions to weed mixed and not mixed with other things ! People can and do have hallucinations with strong chronic version s of weed and go crazy commiting crimes and yes Overdosing and in rare cases fatal reactions and heart attacks
Never did no harm
Never did no harm
you can see in Shaun's face that he wants to give piers a firm headbutt
They're actually mates from childhood lol, piers was always at the Hacienda in the 80s
Same here.. smoked for years without issue.. one day i got super paranoid.. never smoked weed again😊
But i get paranoid at times every strain in a bit different some do give you a anxiety type feeling but it settles down after awhile i always just dont have too much at one time especially the firat of the day cause that always gets you most high you need to warm up lile in sport 😁
It's time to legalise.
So out of touch with reality its crazy
Regarding cannabis - fine it can be an adult choice. My concerns come from research on the effects of cannabis on undeveloped brains of children and young people. But the whole prosecution industry of police and lawyers be fitting from cannabis laws is a bit ridiculous.
Well in the UK cannabis should be legalised and have the same rules apply for driving, to protect the roads, and the same rules apply for smoking, to protect our children.
Is that macca from gta Sam andreas?
I think the British people should think really hard before doing something just because America does it. Often I've seen things happen in the U.K just because it also happened in the U.S. If your country is really a sovereign country, act like it. This is the only thing I dislike most about the United Kingdom. They call their relationship with the U.S a "special relationship" when in reality they are more of a puppet of the United States, bending to the will of whoever is the U.S head of state.
But they are talking about going in the opposite direction with it. Don't see how what you said is relevent
It's relevant because in the past they've taken the "America did it so let's do it too" approach to things before. Piers asked whether or not they should be "catching up with the Americans" on the subject of legalising marijuana, I was essentially saying what I thought about his first question.
That one is full of it
Very good 👍