@@nightowl8477 And then the actual episode turned out to be about a Lion man and the fantastic line "I... I care." Can I really be blamed for not being invested in Ashildr as a character?
@@nightowl8477 It's partly why I never thought a Me and Clara spin off would work. That and it's basically just the same premise as Dr Who with two lead actresses who, especially now, don't need the gig. Having said that, now that Captain Jack is on ice, we could use a replacement for the "curse of immortality" themed stories.
I know it won't be any time soon because of the whole Barrowman thing but God do I want a story where Jack and Ashildr meet and exchange stories of the horrors of imortality. I've always felt like the Doctor abandoned both of them and has it way better because him and the Time lords have the Tardis, they can run away from their burdens of life but Jack and Ashildr for the most part are stuck; they have to live and stay as everywhere they go becomes a graveyard to them
I love the premise of a historical episode where a flummoxed historical figure has to deal with different doctors bursting into their place for adventures back to back to back
@@SamyulDavis Oh yeah. Dunno about you but I assumed that suit was supposed to be a hodgepodge, anyway, with the helmet being from a yet-to-be-seen model.
@@tribesman8424 duude but what about the big plot twist at the end of the story??? Crazy And by the way they weren't corpses. They didn't die and were just frozen.
So in short: 1) Yea we fuck up everything, it's no surprise 2) I was literally gonna suggest talking about these, I'm listening to them rn 3) Ah joy! I'm defo getting this book now. Tho come on, I would have actually loved that Plague Doctor idea. If the Doctor ever found out what aliens did there oh he would embrace his inner 7 like never before...
That’s actually a great set up for one of those alternate future evil doctor stories. The doctor finding out about a alien species orchestrating one of the worst disasters in history is exactly the thing to send him off the deep end.
At first I hated the idea of a Graham and Ryan spinoff but hearing you list them alongside all the others makes me need it more than anything, come on big finish get it together
Jesus Christ that last one. That shows why i would refuse the offer of immortality. It’s not a blessing, but a curse that lasts forever, maybe even past the heat death of the universe.
Yeah, they never really talk about what happens after the end of the universe - Do Jack, Ashildr, and I guess the doctor because of timeless child just hang about constantly dying in a vacuum of nothingness until the creation of a new universe?
@@Tom-xt1jn nah, travel back and do it again on a different planet. Plenty to choose from and if you're going to live forever, you're going to acquire time travel tech eventually.
@@Tom-xt1jn The doctor never has to face the end of the universe, Jack... well despite being a fixed point has a known end - dies final death keeping the gridlocked people of new new earth alive long enough for the doctor to save them. Ashildr however... yeah pretty sure that's true eternal suffering.
@@bellarosethorne Yeah, always been curious about immortal beings in a universe that has a definitive end - we still don’t know how Jack died but he was somehow spared everlasting death but now we know the Doctor will truly last forever because she can regenerate forever so eventually in trillions and trillions and trillions of years she’ll run out of places she hasn’t been at every point in time - run out of places to put the Tardis and then what? Does she have to interact with her past self? Does she have to dig a hole to hide in to prevent herself seeing her prior selves? What happens when she runs out of places to hide? Does being in constant contact with your prior selves mean the end of time? And then Ashildr we see lives till the end of time but then travels back in time with Clara - she’s now lived through earth’s entire history does she have to spend her adventures ensuring she doesn’t meet her past self until eventually she’s at every place at every point in the Earth’s history and then can she never go back to her home planet? So many questions
Personally I would say his motive of killing all humans is an example of writers not understanding the cybermen,In age of steel you see the conversion factories and how cybermen are created out of the fear of death,The lone cyberman wants to kill all humans unlike the age of steel cybermen who go out of their way to convert
@@randomarcgunner4543 Not only that. But when Ashad stated to The Master that the ultimate goal of Cybermen is to become robots. That demonstrated clearly how the writers don't even understand the basic motivation and goals of the Cybermen.
Well that was the most depressing Broke Canon ever. Or maybe I just need to talk to my therapist again. I listened to The Stones of Venice recently, are you sure it's because of global warming that it's sinking? I figured that was just Estella's curse, as by the end it's all good.
I'm convinced that Chibnall's entire run places 13 in a parallel universe. From the moment she pushed that button in the TARDIS and everything started shaking, she fell to a _different_ Earth with it's own Doctor (and Master and Gallifrey and all that in the wider universe, along with things like the Division which never existed in the mainstream Whoniverse). And her extended presence in that universe has affected her judgement, memory and competence. Boom! -- everything that doesn't make sense about The Chibnall Era explained. All RTD has to do is bring her back to her proper universe and we can move on from the Chibnall Years without anything new contradicting that which went before.
There needs to be a multi doctor story with Mary Shelley when the doctors realise they are all going through completely different events on the same night . Reality timeline warping shenanigans follow
in the Empress of Mars I wish instead of Victorians being the invaders to Mars was actually Mondasians and where taken back by the Masters TARDIS to the ship in World Enough and Time with the blueprint of the Cybermens metallic bodies being inspired by the reptillian armour of the Ice Warriors they encountered
Yea I like it, but when I watch it, it does drag at parts. I think it's overhyped because it's a decent 13 story and if THAT doesn't say something I don't know what does...
With the black death stuff, wasn't that the one from the Middle Ages? The one that featured in The Visitation came around a decade after the events of The Woman Who Lived.
So did we ever find out what mistakes the Doctor made that his Twelfth incarnation was supposed to fix? Because Ashildr was definitely one of them. Also, just because a scene was deleted from the show doesn't mean that it didn't happen (as seen with the deleted scene of the Doctor giving a piece of the TARDIS to the half human Doctor in Journey's End), so the Doctor was probably still one of those plague doctors.
Why do people hate the Villla dotti .Compared to to the dreadfuly story were the all of humanity was wiped out and the doctor started giving a rant to her campanion's .Also I think the doctors meeting shelly can by other universes .
Elon had talked about a thing to put in the skull to restore nerve connections, and i could think was rise of the Cybermen and Elon being so stupid to make that a reality.
MEGA BIG SPOILER FOR SERIES 13: Jodie Whitaker turns to nasty off-milk goop like Amy's baby in demon's run, she was never the real doctor in the first place, the Dhawan master is really the doctor (Missy died in "the doctor falls") and he murders Yazz, Gam-gam and the other one for their crimes against the arachnids in the hotel, their love of oppressive capitalist regimes and their scheming plots to seek revenge on those who wronged them, who beg for the sweet release of death. The "fam" meet the blade by choice due to their abnormal sheeplike nature. yazz scoops up all the nasty off-milk goop and saves it in a old jar of mayo, so she can pass this artifact on to her future ancestors and it becomes a strange heirloom.... *this means that the cursed 13 may sadly return* END
We've already wrecked it beyond repair by the start of the story. They mention that these disasters have been happening and the "blow up the moon" plan is their last resort
The pandorica opens reboot of the universe could have got rid of one doctors visit.....the crack on time the other. Shame it didn't get rid of the third so we didn't have to see it.
The irony is without Frankenstein Doctor Who wouldn't exist, but every story is all about how Frankenstein wouldn't exist without the Doctor. Stay humble, show. No, I freaking mean it, learn some humility.
Anyone else sick and tired of anti-capitalist jokes enough already if you hate capitalism so much give away all of your things and go live off the kindness of strangers otherwise quit complaining
Ashildr in plague ridden middle ages with her children is the most horrifying Dr Who story we never saw.
Yeah, kinda stepped over the line really, pretty bold
@@nightowl8477 And then the actual episode turned out to be about a Lion man and the fantastic line "I... I care."
Can I really be blamed for not being invested in Ashildr as a character?
@@Ben-vf5gk - it's shocking how much screen time she gets and I still know her so little. She gets more than Jackie.
@@nightowl8477 It's partly why I never thought a Me and Clara spin off would work. That and it's basically just the same premise as Dr Who with two lead actresses who, especially now, don't need the gig.
Having said that, now that Captain Jack is on ice, we could use a replacement for the "curse of immortality" themed stories.
@@nightowl8477 Oh sent you another email btw, sorry it took so long to get back to you
456: ''So... if she doesn't want those kids... can she give them to us? We'll pay!''
Can you imagine if they brought them into Doctor Who as comic relief?
@@pious83
They'll make everyone laugh, especially the children and Captain Jack.
Every single time a child is annoying they wave
Just ask yourself... What ever DID happen to John and Gillian when the Doctor left them?
I know it won't be any time soon because of the whole Barrowman thing but God do I want a story where Jack and Ashildr meet and exchange stories of the horrors of imortality.
I've always felt like the Doctor abandoned both of them and has it way better because him and the Time lords have the Tardis, they can run away from their burdens of life but Jack and Ashildr for the most part are stuck; they have to live and stay as everywhere they go becomes a graveyard to them
I love the premise of a historical episode where a flummoxed historical figure has to deal with different doctors bursting into their place for adventures back to back to back
Anyone else wanna see a completed version of the Ashad helmet used in the series?
As long as they fix that bulky gorilla teletubby thing they got going on for the main body!
@@SamyulDavis Oh yeah. Dunno about you but I assumed that suit was supposed to be a hodgepodge, anyway, with the helmet being from a yet-to-be-seen model.
@@SamyulDavis I always saw it as 'walking bodybag'
@@tTaseric i saw it as the show being dogshit
@@gf1006 okay
_"It's taken me all these years to realise that The Legands of Ashildr is good! AND YOU WILL READ IT!"_
You see what I did there? Linking the opening segment to the closing? It's like poetry, it's shit
@@nightowl8477 shut up
@@soldierfordavis2770 rude bastard
@@soldierfordavis2770 - chad69feet? Could it be?
@@nightowl8477 no its tom selleck
Broke canon suggestion: The Doctor travelled around with three corpses for a hundred years
Context? 😯
@@ihavebecomeatreehelp852
Trashcan with a gun. A perfect Dalek Emoji.
@@ihavebecomeatreehelp852 I obey: tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Bedtime_Story_(audio_story)
@@tribesman8424 duude but what about the big plot twist at the end of the story??? Crazy
And by the way they weren't corpses. They didn't die and were just frozen.
@@rys_undr1328 Ye but I thought corpses sounded dodgier
Yes, I love another broke canon video. I've also been wanting to read Davis' 12 and Clara Adventure story with the dog in space.
Ah yes. Laika. (Laika?)
So in short:
1) Yea we fuck up everything, it's no surprise
2) I was literally gonna suggest talking about these, I'm listening to them rn
3) Ah joy! I'm defo getting this book now.
Tho come on, I would have actually loved that Plague Doctor idea. If the Doctor ever found out what aliens did there oh he would embrace his inner 7 like never before...
That’s actually a great set up for one of those alternate future evil doctor stories. The doctor finding out about a alien species orchestrating one of the worst disasters in history is exactly the thing to send him off the deep end.
@@squidyy2k 12's TLV!
If it took Covid for Sam to like Hell Bent what would it take for him to like Haunting of Villa Diodati?
A Nuclear Armageddon that somehow leaves the Haunting of Villa Diodati as the only surviving doctor who story ever?
@@EditedAF987 He'd just start writing his own target novels
@@Ben-vf5gk I mean it would probably be just as valid as modern who all you need to do is find the last living survivor of the BBC
At first I hated the idea of a Graham and Ryan spinoff but hearing you list them alongside all the others makes me need it more than anything, come on big finish get it together
Jesus Christ that last one. That shows why i would refuse the offer of immortality. It’s not a blessing, but a curse that lasts forever, maybe even past the heat death of the universe.
Yeah, they never really talk about what happens after the end of the universe - Do Jack, Ashildr, and I guess the doctor because of timeless child just hang about constantly dying in a vacuum of nothingness until the creation of a new universe?
@@Tom-xt1jn nah, travel back and do it again on a different planet. Plenty to choose from and if you're going to live forever, you're going to acquire time travel tech eventually.
@@Tom-xt1jn The doctor never has to face the end of the universe, Jack... well despite being a fixed point has a known end - dies final death keeping the gridlocked people of new new earth alive long enough for the doctor to save them. Ashildr however... yeah pretty sure that's true eternal suffering.
@@bellarosethorne Yeah, always been curious about immortal beings in a universe that has a definitive end - we still don’t know how Jack died but he was somehow spared everlasting death but now we know the Doctor will truly last forever because she can regenerate forever so eventually in trillions and trillions and trillions of years she’ll run out of places she hasn’t been at every point in time - run out of places to put the Tardis and then what? Does she have to interact with her past self? Does she have to dig a hole to hide in to prevent herself seeing her prior selves? What happens when she runs out of places to hide? Does being in constant contact with your prior selves mean the end of time?
And then Ashildr we see lives till the end of time but then travels back in time with Clara - she’s now lived through earth’s entire history does she have to spend her adventures ensuring she doesn’t meet her past self until eventually she’s at every place at every point in the Earth’s history and then can she never go back to her home planet?
So many questions
Ashad was the best thing in season 12, to be fair. Aside from World Enough and Time, Nu-Who really hasn't been too respectful to the Cybermen.
I seriously hope we get more of him
@@crimsondynamo615 Well, not since the Master tissue compressed him.
Personally I would say his motive of killing all humans is an example of writers not understanding the cybermen,In age of steel you see the conversion factories and how cybermen are created out of the fear of death,The lone cyberman wants to kill all humans unlike the age of steel cybermen who go out of their way to convert
@@randomarcgunner4543 Not only that. But when Ashad stated to The Master that the ultimate goal of Cybermen is to become robots. That demonstrated clearly how the writers don't even understand the basic motivation and goals of the Cybermen.
@@pious83 i saw that more as ashads goal, he was disillusioned with humanity
At the risk of being part of the problem, I would like a Space Subway
Well that was the most depressing Broke Canon ever. Or maybe I just need to talk to my therapist again.
I listened to The Stones of Venice recently, are you sure it's because of global warming that it's sinking? I figured that was just Estella's curse, as by the end it's all good.
I'm convinced that Chibnall's entire run places 13 in a parallel universe. From the moment she pushed that button in the TARDIS and everything started shaking, she fell to a _different_ Earth with it's own Doctor (and Master and Gallifrey and all that in the wider universe, along with things like the Division which never existed in the mainstream Whoniverse). And her extended presence in that universe has affected her judgement, memory and competence. Boom! -- everything that doesn't make sense about The Chibnall Era explained. All RTD has to do is bring her back to her proper universe and we can move on from the Chibnall Years without anything new contradicting that which went before.
Actually look forward to broken canon
I'm not much of a Whovian, honestly. It's the fresh take that gets me. I never know if Jim Bowen or Captain Planet will show up in Broke Canon.
Yo, as someone who is VERY into the Big Finish Gallifrey audios, I would LOVE a segment on the absolute madness that is Braxiatel.
There needs to be a multi doctor story with Mary Shelley when the doctors realise they are all going through completely different events on the same night . Reality timeline warping shenanigans follow
all the work of the Terrible Zodin
in the Empress of Mars I wish instead of Victorians being the invaders to Mars was actually Mondasians and where taken back by the Masters TARDIS to the ship in World Enough and Time with the blueprint of the Cybermens metallic bodies being inspired by the reptillian armour of the Ice Warriors they encountered
I guess reading the Ashildr book paid off?
Big time. Expect to see this book pop up more in the future, too.
@@SamyulDavis I believe it. Thanks for taking one for the team, as always.
@@calvinfranklyn5499 You might be surprised.
@@SamyulDavis I often am, here. Fave fact, even now: Pertwee could levitate!
3:20 Humorously human humerus hubris! Great content as always Sam!
Great video, some great facts! Also feel really weird about Villa Diodati, i dont get what is so great about it, personally wasnt for me sadly!
Yea I like it, but when I watch it, it does drag at parts. I think it's overhyped because it's a decent 13 story and if THAT doesn't say something I don't know what does...
Is that a tactical droid from Star Wars?! 2:47
WTF that book has no right being as good as it sounds
With the black death stuff, wasn't that the one from the Middle Ages? The one that featured in The Visitation came around a decade after the events of The Woman Who Lived.
Me art got in! Lovely stuff
I wonder with all these immortals In this series where are all of they at by the end of history
Ooh great story prompt idea.
So did we ever find out what mistakes the Doctor made that his Twelfth incarnation was supposed to fix? Because Ashildr was definitely one of them. Also, just because a scene was deleted from the show doesn't mean that it didn't happen (as seen with the deleted scene of the Doctor giving a piece of the TARDIS to the half human Doctor in Journey's End), so the Doctor was probably still one of those plague doctors.
Let's just assume the Doc wiped their minds for no reason like with that famous computer lady in Spyfall.
Never mind invading Mars, Victorian Britain also invaded the moon and the afterlife in the Dr Who novels!
Why do people hate the Villla dotti .Compared to to the dreadfuly story were the all of humanity was wiped out and the doctor started giving a rant to her campanion's .Also I think the doctors meeting shelly can by other universes .
Diodati is pretty universally adored. They're both dreadful stories.
At least there's no Elon musk in the whoniverse
Elon had talked about a thing to put in the skull to restore nerve connections, and i could think was rise of the Cybermen and Elon being so stupid to make that a reality.
But wasn't Ashildr is guilt triped by The Doctor in to useing that on that highwayman with the bad jokes? no idea where he is now?
the last one was heartbreaking ;-;
Yay! Another one!
8:06 cool...so can you take my shift this friday or...?
Wooop a new one! 😍
MEGA BIG SPOILER FOR SERIES 13: Jodie Whitaker turns to nasty off-milk goop like Amy's baby in demon's run, she was never the real doctor in the first place, the Dhawan master is really the doctor (Missy died in "the doctor falls") and he murders Yazz, Gam-gam and the other one for their crimes against the arachnids in the hotel, their love of oppressive capitalist regimes and their scheming plots to seek revenge on those who wronged them, who beg for the sweet release of death. The "fam" meet the blade by choice due to their abnormal sheeplike nature.
yazz scoops up all the nasty off-milk goop and saves it in a old jar of mayo, so she can pass this artifact on to her future ancestors and it becomes a strange heirloom....
*this means that the cursed 13 may sadly return*
END
Just one problem kill the moon would bake the oceans go insane every land-based at sea level city would be destroyed
We've already wrecked it beyond repair by the start of the story. They mention that these disasters have been happening and the "blow up the moon" plan is their last resort
Can we talk about that glowing hair Davis?
You may...
@@SamyulDavis Your hair is glowing, Davis
Damn you don't like Haunting of Villa Diodati??
The pandorica opens reboot of the universe could have got rid of one doctors visit.....the crack on time the other. Shame it didn't get rid of the third so we didn't have to see it.
I wanted the Ruth Doctor to be the doctor from the universe that did not reboot
6:31 how many times is he going to forget things. Are we sure he doesn't have brain damage at this point.
"I was in good health..." ...Wasn't she dead?
It's the Division, not the Department.
You scared me there
Has nobody actually read Frankenstein?
All plot holes can be filled by the Time War :)
You don’t even need the time war, you can just use the butterfly effect as the show’s central premise involves interfering time travellers.
and when the doctor rebooted the universe and other paradoxical things.
Are you my mummy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The irony is without Frankenstein Doctor Who wouldn't exist, but every story is all about how Frankenstein wouldn't exist without the Doctor. Stay humble, show. No, I freaking mean it, learn some humility.
8:20
Anyone else sick and tired of anti-capitalist jokes enough already if you hate capitalism so much give away all of your things and go live off the kindness of strangers otherwise quit complaining
I find it ironic that your comment portrays socialists as parasitic when capitalism itself is an exploitative parasite.
"and yet you participate in society! Curious!"
@@SamyulDavis mum said I’m not old enough to go off-grid and live in the woods.
@@EditedAF987 but for real, this is a kid's comprehension of late-stage unfettered capitalism
@@SamyulDavismy age can’t be helped sadly.