The dynamic of what Caser and Koba represent in the story has always been very interesting to me. Of all of the apes in the series, those two were the most human out of all of them. Caser was the most human in the best of ways, while Koba was the most human in the worst of ways.
Very true. Caesar is a leader that wants to bring peace and freedom, and do his best to avoid violence. Koba is a leader that believes in dominance and that violence is the only answer against their competitive race(humans).
Which I'm not saying it is. It can't be the only way. But nomatter how good and how pure and peaceful and idea is...time goes on and people get involved, humans with their own values be it greed or pride or wanting acknowledged, wanting to change things in their image, and like the telephone game, no matter what the original message is, it's gets polluted and perverse. Or someone bigger tries to take it. Someone smarter tries to trick you,someone more charming talks you out of it
Forgot to bring up the fact that Koba is a Bonboo, Bonboos is famously known for being peaceful and docile creatures, and Caeser is a Chimpanzee, an ape known for aggression. Yet Koba is the most violent character in the franchise while Caeser is a pacifist
That's one of my favorite Koba scenes too. It's such a powerful moment. You can tell just how strong his fury is, but that fury comes from the pain he's suffered. He wasn't just physically scarred by humans, they scarred him emotionally too.
Same. My only wish is that rather than have Caesar essentially intimidate him into submission, he (Caesar) pointed to his head and also said "human work."
And the BEST part is how (by external info) the sustance that give intelligence also give him perfect memory of every torture Difficult to be nice when you remember all the bad things
It would be foolish of me to call Koba or even Sutter Cane from In the Mouth of Madness villains. Their agency and character made them choose to become villains under these circumstances so they couls become heroes in their story and have control rather than be controlled.They are creatures who were forced to become who they became by a fate which they had no control over.
@@ErikDayne Exactly - I am sure there is an element to Caesar towards the end of the 2nd movie and throughout the 3rd that understands why Koba was the way he was. Whilst his actions were extreme and still morally wrong, it would be ridiculous to not understand at some level why he did what he did especially given the constant prejudice that the apes experience through the whole trilogy.
@@ErikDayne if you use that thought process you can justify what most villains do. Nothing anyone does is that bad since humans are really cruel. Even worse than that conclusion could be used to justify the way we treat chimps, they are amongst the most brutal creatures in the animal kingdom. So what’s so bad at hurting them?
Koba is such an interesting “villain” to watch. You see him scarred from the “human work”, as he calls it, which just shows how deep his anger towards humans is, he is unwilling to accept that the humans who mistreated him and beat him for all of those years are any different from any of the non-villainous humans throughout the second film. He is a perfect mirror of Caeser in that way. Caeser being raised by humans in a loving environment compared to Koba who was beaten down almost his entire life.
Koba is a lot like Sutter Cane from John Carpenter´s In the Mouth of Madness. Here is why. To Koba, mankind is an unnamable terror of existence, an unknowable alien intelligence which is unpredictable and therefore uncontrollable and ultimately unknowable. In Koba´s universe, mankind behaves like the Great Old Ones do in H.P.Lovecraft´s universe. The idea behind my analysis is actually incredibly complex, and I am sorry for the use of clumsy language here. Koba sees us as blind idiots who think they are gods, similarly as we view Azatoth, as the blind idiot God in the mouth of madness that is human existence and ultimately nature itself. Both groups, Koba´s apes and humans try to fathom and control this idiot god that must exist beyond their concept of time. The great apes do not have the same understanding of time as humans do, in the original series or the Planet of the Apes redux, the new version which makes both series convincing. In the mouth of madness is in many ways similar to the Planet of the Apes series, and despite Koba does not have access to a typewriter, the games he plays work similarly as the typewriter Sutter Cane learns to use, which the Great Old Ones gain control of and turn into a key to open portals to their worlds, resulting in the creation of the infamous monster wall. Unbeknownst to Koba, Azatoth is no idiot god, but behaves the way he does because of an order which is beyond our current comprehension. In the Planet of the Apes series, the monster wall are us, the humans who are being used by their own greed and selfishness to create a portal to a world run by uncontrollable stupidity, over which Koba could achieve some control if he had the foresight and the wisdom to do so. His downfall results from his failure to read and analyse comic books and other important literature, which might provide him with the answers he needs to find out why humans are the way they are, and thus the realization that nobody is in control. Thanks for your kind comment mr. Randall Flagg! Kind regards from Ásgeir in Iceland.
I've always loved the irony of the most evil villain of Planet of the Apes being a bonobo. Bonobos are such peaceful creatures, but his environment would corrupt his peaceful nature into the monster we see in the films. For extra irony, bonobos are the apes most closely related to humans. So of all the apes seen in the movies he is the genetically closest to the humans he hates.
One of the most psychopathically, misanthropic, yet sympathetic and tragic villains ever put in film, Koba serves as a prime example of what happens when someone is raised in not just bad circumstances and mistreat, but when side mistreatment and circumstances defines an individual’s life and actions; creating the perfect foil to Caesar’s benevolence and respect to humanity whilst still acknowledging how bad the tension between humans and apes have become. I would like to see an analyzing evil episode on a Jurassic Park/World villain like the hybrid dinosaurs or one of the human characters of the franchise like Nedry, Lewis Dodgson, Henry Wu, or John Hammond from the novel.
One thing I should mention: Toby Kebbell (who played him in Dawn and War) is SUCH an underrated and underused actor that I wish would be in more stuff. His career kinda got kneecapped after he played Doctor Doom in Fant4stic, but that’s not at ALL his fault. I hope he gets the chance to be in more stuff, because his performance in this (as well as Guy Ritchie’s RockNRolla) show how talented Kebbell really can be.
Me and my friends quote Johnny Quid all the time, and RockNRolla too. Truly the most underrated movie in Guy Ritchie's career. I never hear people talk about it
@happinesstan I agree but with the first. It was terrible. James Franco doesn't even speak like a scientist. And he used a virus and decided to use a more aggressive strain, but I never heard him say anything about putting his father on immunosuppressive medications to mitigate the immune system against the first iteration of the treatment. And then in the lab, his coworker should have been quarantined immediately. And then when sick, he goes to his house and then his neighbor shows up to a property that ISN'T HIS just to get sneezed on. It's ridiculous!
Koba: "Caesar brother to humans! Koba fight for ape! Free ape!" Caesar: "Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba. Koba belong in cage." I feel like this exchange is what highlights the qualities that truly make Koba evil. Koba may have genuinely cared for his fellow apes at one point. But the fact that he's willing to kill other apes to "protect" them from humanity shows the cracks in his armor. By the time he and Caesar come to blows, Koba is concerned only with revenge against humans for what they did to HIM specifically, not justice for apes who suffered as he did. It's not so much Koba's act of war itself that makes him evil, but his reasons for doing so. Because despite how he presents himself to the other apes, Koba's revolution was ultimately a selfish one. He doesn't truly care about how his war affects the rest of his species anymore. So long as the war ends with Koba standing above humanity, every other ape can die for all he cares. Koba's own selfish desire for revenge is what made him evil at the end, as Caesar calls him out on here. That's my thought anyway.
And that is ultimately why this War isn’t the way to go. Yes, when War comes to your doorstep, you fight back. But if there is a chance for peace, you reach for it and be kind in-turn. Life and the choices we all make will always lead towards difficult ends, but we should never encourage War for Selfish ends.
What it comes down to is that Caesar was trying to protect his family and fellow apes. War might have been inevitable, but to prevent needless violence and ape lives lost, he was willing to coexist with humans for the moment. Koba only cared about vengeance and himself. He wasn't looking out for anyone's interests. That's why Caesar was in the right
Yep. Even if his philosophy is pushed to the extreme it wouldn’t work. If every ape felt and acted the same way their teamwork and cooperation would fall apart from within, not to mention apes would be constantly killing each over for different policies to be enforced (like he established with one dissenting ape)
Not to mention you can tell Koba started to enjoy killing when he waged war against humans. As long as he was satisfied in his revenge, nothing else mattered to him, not even the lives of his fellow apes.
It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
How is this not top comment instead of the two bots saying the exact same thing about peaceful bonobos and it's so interesting cause theyre related to humans copy and paste ass post
the tragedy of Koba is that he could have ended up as compassionate as Caesar, but the abusive upbringing and cruelty only saw the dark side of humanity never letting go of his past and letting his rage and pain take over making him do horrible things and justifying it as for his people when really it was for him and his wrath.
One of the scenes that stood out to me in 'Rise' was that when the apes are busted out of the testing facility, there is a shot with the majority of freed apes flock in one direction to escape together with Caesar, while Koba chooses his own path separate from the rest. This was subtle foreshadowing of his later path of Evil away from Caesar. The little details like that are what make these films truly special - best trilogy of the 2010s in my opinion.
"That's how it starts: the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns a good man cruel." Koba's life of abuse, especially during the brief time he was in show business, brings to mind the allegations of abuse towards apes. The worst example was when one of the orangutans who played Clyde in the Any Which Way films was bludgeoned hard enough that it killed him, just for trying to snatch a doughnut from catering. It makes me glad that apes are steadily being replaced by performers in creature suits and motion capture dots.
I absolutely loved that you decided to visit Koba, in my opinion he's one of the greatest villains ever made. Understandable motivations and background, absolutely no redeeming qualities, and a constant persistent hatred of humans that make him automatically come into conflict with Caesar (who grew up and learned to love humans) just based on their own ideologies. Incredible character, excellent video as always!
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes. It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Interestingly, like Stephen from Django, Koba hates his former slavemasters, and yet he also learned so much from them and uses their methods. Koba probably remembers more of the human world--subtleties and all--than anyone except Caesar.
@@drointhewind480 vil·lain /ˈvilən/ Learn to pronounce noun 1. (in a film, novel, or play) a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot.
@@joshheralal8758 Actually Koba is not a villain in fact Matt Reeves himself and Toby Kebbell have said that he barely becomes an antagonist. Many say that Koba was bad from the beginning, when it is not so, before Koba was almost beaten to death by Caesar, he was a beautiful being who showed genuine love and concern for all apes, especially for Caesar, it is more , he not only loved him as a brother, but also admired him as a leader and was grateful with his life for having saved him from the mistreatment he suffered every day. That is why in the hunt when hearing Caesar's cry for help, he does not hesitate at any time to go to help him, saving the lives of Blue Eyes and Caesar. If Caesar and the other apes had given him the emotional support Koba needed, he would never have done anything wrong, Koba was suffering with his traumas and fears, and all Koba needed was at least one ape to care about him (this too is confirmed by Toby Kebbell) an ape who would actually listen to him, who would have saved him.
@@caoba_bonoboFor that reason, Koba is very relatable to real life people mostly to Hitler because he has a good in him. What is more crazy is that he is listed as a complete Monster in Tv Tropes and as a Pure Evil villain. I don’t understand why these people classify him as a complete monster if he is very relatable to real life people and he also has good in him. For that reason is why i love Koba more than any villains. What do you think of people classifying him as a complete monster?
Koba is such a compelling villain. His backstory is super tragic. But at no point is it used to justify his evil deeds, it only explains his actions. I'd love an episode on KingPin or Purple Man from the MCU Netflix shows, I think those two characters are insanely intereseting and definitely worth an episode on your show
Koba makes such a great villain because not only he was right to question the humans but he had a reason to hate them much as he did which is why we can sympathize with him. His downfall was that he allowed his hate to consume him and put his revenge above the safety and protection of the other apes.
Good choice, I find it downright impressive how malicious Koba was in that film, intimidating and acting on a level that arguably outshone the protagonist.
Koba is definitely why this is my favorite movie in the series so far, he’s one of those villains who you can’t really blame for his actions, he also has a bad ass design, and honestly I would argue that in ways he is smarter than Ceaser with his ability to speak more and speak clearer than him, but he’s definitely one of the coolest villains out there
great that you did this one. Koba makes the second film stand out so much, he's the driving force of it being so intense and gripping. Tony Kebbell's performance is very underrated too - he shines over Serkis imo
I’ve recommended him before, but I gotta suggest Clay Puppington from Moral Orel. He’s not a grand villain with large-scale horrendous acts, but the way he goes about his evil and how he got there is so interesting and a lot of fun to dive into it.
Clay to me is one of the most realistically evil villains for an adult swim cartoon. His portrayal of alcoholism and bigotry sadly mirror a lot of real life examples
@@Comiccow6 I love the original ending for clay. Bloberta was supposed to have essentially a redemption arc and end up with Officer Papermouth. Clay would end up alone with alcohol and his ‘commandments’
gotta say the close up shot of Koba on the horse with a spear on his shoulder with that menacing look on his face and eyes (as seen in the thumbnail) is definitely one of the coolest shots of a character ive ever seen
i see some people saying 'koba wasn't a villain' or 'koba was right' because people say that koba could have cared for the apes better then ceaser could have but, koba didn't care about the apes while their home burns around them, he doesn't run to try to free any trapped apes; he uses the opportunity to indoctrinate blue eyes when ash refuses to kill an innocent person, a task that any other ape could have done for koba; koba kills ash and threatens to kill any other ape that disobeys blue eyes tells ceaser that koba wants the women and children brought into the city; aka 'please bring the most vulnerable apes to the most dangerous place possible' and, after the tower explosion that killed and injured so many apes; while ceaser is going around trying to help every ape he can; koba fires indiscriminately into the crowd of apes 'koba fight for koba'
He had been driven, almost unrelentingly, to the Dark Side. He ceased to be Curious George and became Darth Koba. When that happened, the good bonobo whom he had been went Ape Shit. 😏
War between humans an apes was inevitable but that didn't mean that peace wasn't either. Thus the Sun Tzu saying, "In times of Peace, Prepare for War. In times of War, Prepare for Peace." That fact that Koba refused to have mercy is ultimately the reason he is evil. As his righteously acquired anger was being unrighteously executed as vengeance that even effected the innocent. All the humans weren't evil. All the humans didn't deserve to die. And Vice Versa.
I wonder if Koba's POV of humans would have slightly changed had there been animal rights activists protesting at GenSys. Granted he definitely wouldn't trusted them overnight.
Honestly Koba and Darth Maul has alot of similarities, they both products of an abusive upbringing and oppressed species, both of them saw their mother being killed by their "guardians", both were guided by hate and vengence and wanted to be at the top of power, and both have a rival that in a way, were in the similar position as they were but in the other side of the coin, fighting for a lie (Ceaser and Obiwan)
I think one thing about entities being this evil whilst starting out empathetic, is that they become so cruel because they want others to feel their pain. It is a cry of them for their empathy by hurting them in ways they are hurt, or attempt to hurt in similar magnitude, that they want to be heard by their peers and victims.
Few suggestions 1)GLADOS from Portal 2)Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire 3)Vault Tec from Fallout 4)Bane from The Dark Knight Rises 5)Sophia Lamb from Bioshock
Just restarted boardwalk empire. Nucky would be so good! Seeing in season 1 how Nucky admires Margaret for being a woman with a strong mind and stand by her beliefs just for him to essentially eliminate all she stood by was very manipulative. He loved her for being better than him and wanted to deserve her but when he gets her, he completely brings her down to his level.
Thank you for doing Koba. I've been for this for a while. Pretty good analyzing. I enjoyed this video. You did a good job describing Koba's past, his mentality, his crimes, and his motivations. I like how you think he is a tragic villain with very understandable and sympathetic motives, but still acknowledge his evil, horrific and inexcusable crimes, tyranny and treachery. Koba is my favorite of the Planet of the Apes villains. He is so tragic and pitiable, but also a very cool and interesting, terrifying villain. His tragic past, his emotional and mental problems (he obviously suffers from PTSD, still feeling the pain of his past even after many years), and the complex reasons behind his actions make him easy to sympathize with and show how tragedy, abuse and trauma can change a naturally peaceful, friendly creature. His strength, skill and cunning as a fighter and manipulator make him very entertaining. The strength of his fury and his brutality, savagery and ruthlessness make him a very severe, dangerous and frightening foe. His actions show that those who are mistreated and abused since childhood can become just as bad as their abusers, if not worse, if they allow their pain and anger to consume them. Koba's voice actor, Toby Kebbell did a really good job. It's also worth noting that Koba's species the bonobos are naturally peaceful, friendly creatures as they are the most sociable and least violent of the great apes (bonobos can be aggressive if they really need to be, but they are generally peaceful and rarely resort to violence). Koba, on the other hand, is without a doubt, the most violent, aggressive and savage ape in the reboot trilogy. It's also mentioned in the War for the Planet of the Apes prequel novel 'Revelations' that even though Koba was a well-respected member of the ape colony, it wasn't easy to get to know him, as he generally kept to himself. The fact that Koba is the most horribly scarred of all the apes and is so un-Bonobo like in his behavior says a lot about how much he suffered at the hands of humans. I mean no offense, but you did miss a few things in your video, including two pretty important details from Koba's backstory: 1: His original caretaker, Mary, allowed him to believe he was human. She never outright lied to Koba that he was human, but she never bothered to correct his incorrect belief that he was, or explain to him that non-signing apes were like him, and also never taught him what the word 'chimp,' meant, even when presented with opportunities to do so. So, she basically conditioned him to believe he was human. When Koba would finally realize he wasn't human many years later, he would conclude that Mary had deceived him and this further strengthened his mistrust of humans. 2: Koba's breaking point with humanity was caused by Steven Jacobs. Just before Will and Franklin came to experiment on Koba, Jacobs visited Koba in his cage and sadistically taunted him by calling him the "ugliest ape in the world" and telling him that no matter how human he thought he was, he was nothing but a stupid animal. This made Koba finally realize that he wasn't human, and also made him reflect on all the pain and suffering humans had caused him (killing his mother, brutally training him for entertainment, blinding his left eye, separating him from his friend, Milo, and torturously experimenting on Koba for years). From that moment on, Koba would be able to feel nothing for humans expect hate, anger, fear, mistrust, and a desire to hurt and frighten them as he had been hurt and scared by them. Koba had already suffered a lot at the hands of many different humans before he even met Jacobs, but ultimately, it was Jacobs' cruel treatment of Koba that sealed his hatred and lust for vengeance on humanity forever. Also, again I mean no offense, but you made a small mistake in Koba's backstory; Tommy scarring and blinding his left eye happened after the cancellation of Tommy's TV show. Another thing you missed is the fight between Koba and Caesar at the dam, which marks the end of their friendship and Koba's final and complete breaking point, and his descent into madness and villainy. After discovering the human armory, Koba goes to warn Caesar, but after learning that he is having the apes help the humans work on the dam even after Carver attacked Caesar's son, Koba loses his temper and accuses Caesar of loving humans more than apes. Enraged by Koba's insolence, Caesar attacks Koba, beats him up, and very nearly strangles him to death in front of the apes and humans, only sparing him at the last moment because of the 'Ape not kill ape law.' Caesar beating and dominating Koba in front of the apes and humans finally makes him snap and decide to betray Caesar. I think it breaks Koba for four reasons: 1: It reminds him of the abuse he received from humans. 2: He feels betrayed by Caesar for helping the humans and for almost killing him just for speaking out of turn. 3: He also feels betrayed by the other apes for not coming to his aid (while lying on the floor after Caesar beats him, Koba looks to the other apes for help and is visibly hurt when they avoid his gaze). I think it's at this point that Koba decides to fight for himself rather than his fellow apes, though he never consciously realizes it or admits it to himself. 4: He is deeply humiliated by the fact that the beating happened not only in front of his fellow apes, but also humans; the creatures he hates most.
Regarding the scene at the dam, I don't think Koba was imploring the other apes to help when he looked at them. Caesar's attack was sudden and the fight was over quickly, so there wasn't that much opportunity to step in. I also think Koba probably understood that with Caesar being their leader, it probably appeared to them that Koba was challenging his leadership (which he was, kinda) and that it wasn't their place to intervene in the dispute. I agree though, he is clearly humiliated by being beaten in front of the humans and his fellow apes. However, I think he also realizes that even though he's been spared, he's completely lost favor with Caesar and his overall ability to influence his comrades has been greatly diminished. At that point, Koba knows he can't trust anyone and understands he has to go rogue to do what he deems necessary.
Really, thank you very much for your comment, I have waited so long for an analysis of Koba of this magnitude but the only comments that I have found in general are either very superficial or very little empathetic, also I also have the same analysis from the moment that Caesar almost physically killing Koba in the dam was what completely broke him and the fact that Caesar did that was horrible, but more the humiliation before the apes and humans and worst of all, when Koba seeks help with the other apes so that just look away in disgust and disgust (including Stone and Gray) was what completely killed the Koba from before and turned him into a completely different being. It's like Matt Reeves said, what really killed Koba was all the apes' lack of empathy for his traumas and fears, especially Caesar, who could never understand Koba's pain until he went through something similar. If an ape, anyone, had at least listened to Koba, he would be alive, the real Koba would never have died.
@@samfforde5120 On the War for the Planet of the Apes and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes blu-rays there's the option to watch the movie with commentary from Matt Reeves, and it's on those blu-rays that he talks about the lack of empathy. that Caesar had with Koba and the mistake of the other apes by ignoring the situation in which Koba was.
@@caoba_bonobo Oh really? I did not know that, as my DVD versions of those movies are not Blu-ray. Thank you very much for telling me. Maybe I will try to get Blu-ray versions of them. Maybe you could send me a direct quote of Matt Reeves describing that?
YES!!! I’ve wanted you to do Koba for ages now! Please also make analysis videos on the following villains: Hans Beckert - M Begbie - Trainspotting Ben - Man Bites Dog Lavrentiy Beria - The Death of Stalin BOB - Twin Peaks Mr Bytes - The Elephant Man Lt. Chang - Only God Forgives Joe Cooper - Killer Joe Phyllis Dietrichson - Double Indemnity Robert G. Durant - Darkman Evil - Time Bandits Auric Goldfinger - Goldfinger Trevor Goodchild - Æon Flux Eve Harrington - All About Eve J. J. Hunsecker - Sweet Smell of Success El Indio - For a Few Dollars More Mrs. Eleanor Iselin - The Manchurian Candidate Kakihara - Ichi the Killer Rosa Klebb - From Russia with Love Egor Korshunov - Air Force One Raymond Lemorne - The Vanishing Harry Lime - The Third Man Ben Linus - Lost Don Logan - Sexy Beast David Lo Pan - Big Trouble in Little China Santanico Pandemonium - From Dusk till Dawn Peter and Paul - Funny Games 97 Reverend Harry Powell - The Night of the Hunter Professor Ratigan - The Great Mouse Detective Daddy & Mommy Robeson - The People Under the Stairs Francisco Scaramanga - The Man with the Golden Gun Khan Noonien Singh - Star Trek Lord Summerisle - The Wicker Man The Swede - Hell on Wheels Dr Szell - Marathon Man Varla - Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! Lorren Visser - Blood Simple Percy Wetmore - The Green Mile Johnny Wong - Hard Boiled
@jacko250 I would like to see these villains as well: Gollum (Lord of the Rings franchise) The Penguin (Batman Returns) Kitty Galore (Cats and Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore) Herbert West (Re-Animator franchise) Dr. Moreau (The Island of Doctor Moreau) Oogie Boogie (The Nightmare Before Christmas) Dr. Facilier (Disney's The Princess and the Frog)
As well as: Uncle Bully of Once Were Warriors The villains of Disney's Pinocchio Dr. Frederick Chilton of Silence of the Lambs Makuta of The Bionicle Franchise Hitler of Downfall Kent Mansley of The Iron Giant Cantor Rabinowitz of The Jazz Singer (if possible) Mother Superior of Silent Night Deadly Night Hopper of A Bug's Life Al McWhiggan of Toy Story 2 Lotso Huggin Bear of Toy Story 3 Mr. Brocklehurst of Jane Eyre
An interesting note is that bonobo’s are generally calmer and more tranquil compared to chimps like Caesar. Nice detail since they both changed drastically after becoming intelligent. Great video. I love this movie series.
Aye, I know this is off topic but when koba died by the fall, it was the best death sound design I’ve ever heard. Pop in your AirPods or 5.1 stereo and it’s the most disturbing scream of agony for like 15 seconds. His scream turns to pain in such a way that I have never seen done or re-created ever since. It’s never talked about and I would like you people to pay attention to it. It will stay with you forever, like it did me.
Koba is a classic sociopath, his evil forming under the weight of unimaginable cruelty, punishment and torture. He is a pure product of his environment, he has so much rage built up. He is a villain made, not born.
I think Koba’s path to evil is particularly unique because of the simian flu virus. Koba began his existence as an animal that is abruptly thrust through several million years worth of evolution literally overnight. An animal who experiences nothing but violence will invariably behave violently, but a sentient being might be able to overcome there rage enough to try and approach a constructive solution to their predicament. Kobu spent the majority of his life as an animal who was abused constantly which caused his animal nature to destroy the possible enlightened and reconciliation as a sentient being.
Id love to see and episodes of the Colonel, as he strengthens a lot of your points. He essentially points out to Caesar that apes in the situation they are in are likely to replace us as the dominant species due to their comparable intelligence and superior strength. I think he had these thoughts brewing within him for a while, and the mutation of the virus that took away our humanity was the final bit of evidence he needed to take things into his own hands.
One of the scariest villains are those that you understand, yet feel totally helpless in trying to redeem/correct, because to them, they are already, understandably, right.
I was absolutely stoked the moment I saw the notification of this video. Koba was indeed a great antagonist, while I can understand why he waged war against the humans I disagree immensely because of his treacherous methods. This was a well explained video without a doubt.
his hatred blinded him and led him to the destruction of what he originally cared about in the first place which was his fellow apes. heartbreaking but a beautifully written character nonetheless.
Koba’s intense anger and cruelty is tragic honestly. He didn’t WANT to be this way. It was within him and eventually consumed him. For years, he was able to live fine with caesar but as soon as the fear of humans became a threat again all those years of anger came back. His desire for war & security overpowered everything else. Relative to Koba, Caesar had it easy. Never had to see his mom die. Never had to get passed from kind humans to cruel humans until he was mature enough to deal with it AND luckily had plenty of apes nearby to lead and achieve freedom relatively quick. To Koba’s credit, it was him who killed most of humanity unintentionally though I’m sure he’d have chosen it if he knew he could. In the end, he got most of what he wanted, just couldn’t hold on to the chance for a new life. I’m sure if he had kids he’d have something deeper to juxtapose survival against. Like yeah I want to survive but do I want to possibly bring war upon my family ? He just didn’t have what caesar had in emotional structure. He shared the same intellect, and ten times as much rage.
Yeah, if Koba had found a lover, and a family. He would've understood Caesar better. But I think he never moved on from the past, so he couldn't bond with other apes easily because of it.
Koba Is a very complex villain that we all like. Hes also One of those example of a villain with a genuine tragic backstory but the action that he take are far inexcusable. I notice that many people like ti see im tragic and in a way It Is but we should consider the crime and many unjust death that he did in the sequel of the movie. Koba Is the example of the hate,Anger and xenophobia can consum you and turning you into a Monster. He cause a civil war between two races, he kill and imprisoned even the apes and many innocent human. While he Sais that he did all of this for his people its clear that he did It for Power and control. Even Cesar saw him as irredeemable because he was so consume with Is hate and prejudice. Many people considered koba even as One of the most evil villain in a movie because of his action. In the koba Is a villain Who endure much and destroy so much more
Koba is probably one of the rawest portrayals of a living being driven to violent madness through pain. It unflinchingly asserts Koba couldn't possibly have turned out in any other way - he had literally no option, none, to become anything but a psychopath. The fact that he is an "animal" makes his portrayal all the more harrowing. He is the living embodiment of human's cheerful, nonchalant brutality towards the environment. The torture inflicted on Koba wasn't even done with active malicious intent. It was as a mundane matter of course, just another part of someone's job, someone too underpaid, too desensitised, or just too ignorant to stop and consider their test subject's wellbeing. To me, one of Koba's most tragic scenes was in fact the moment where he plays the fool to distract the two guards. The only way for him to escape is to humiliate himself before his former torturers. To play to human ignorance, the very ignorance that mutilated his whole body, and to confirm them in their shallow, objectifying view of his species. Watching that film, you simply can't despise Koba. By despising Koba, we despise ourselves.
The most chilling scene in any of these three movies, I think it might have actually been KOBA doing it, was when there was that group of soldiers sitting around bs'ing, and the ape (again I think it WAS Koba) comes up, does the OOH OOH AHH PFFFFFFT routine and then picks up a gun and lights the soldiers up. Never ceases to make me shudder - the look on his face when he picks up the gun and drains the mag on the soldiers.
@@JoryMcDaniel Yes, that was actually Koba! They're the same two soldiers who threatened him in the previous scene. And he doesn't just annihilate them - he first shoots one of them, then waits until the shock dawns in the other one's eyes. And then he smirks and shoots him too. Somehow, the scene managed to be both immensely satisfying and incredibly tragic - because you know he's just chosen the path of no return, both for himself and for his community.
How is Koba such a badass ape villain but he is also shown to be seen as the most human throughout the series and his relationship with Caser is also the saddest
I can try to answer that question with a quote from Ender’s game: “In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him.”
There’s a Planet of the Apes book that I brought at dollar tree, I think it’s called Firestorm and it has Koba’s backstory in it and damn it made me feel even more sympathy towards him.
I just watched Dawn and War back-to-back for the first time and wow… simply amazing. The cinematography, the cgi, the narrative, the characters, the actors(apes?!), the score, just everything was well done.
I love the POTA franchise, and Koba is a really good villain and I’m glad you covered him: Here are some vile recommendations for you to cover next: Odin from Gow Ragnarok Unitology from the Dead Space franchise The four horsemen from Knock at the Cabin/The cabin at the end of the world The Los Illuminados cult from Re4 Josh Washington from Until Dawn Cthulhu from the Cthulhu Mythos
Thank you for doing this one, Vile Eye! I actually submitted the name almost a year ago, and whether it was picked up or randomly chosen, I thank you regardless!
I agree with your assessment completely, war should always have been on the table. Koba knew more than anyone the cruelty of man. He spent his entire life under the thumb of human, powerless, without agency. He was beaten, bruised, burned and scared, and that’s all he would ever feel.. until Caesar. Caesar gave him power, agency and meaning, and Koba finally felt love and compassion, but when the humans came back to his life all he could see was them stripping him of his power, ripping him from his new found agency and forcing him back into that lab, to burn him again, and he would do anything to avoid that.
Koba is one of the most sympathetic villains I can think of. He's a monster, but he didn't choose to be one. He was tortured for his entire life at the hands of cruel and abusive humans. Like Caesar said, "From humans, Koba only learned hate. Nothing else". That's why Koba is essentially the embodiment of hatred and vengeance, his mind was warped beyond repair due to the torture and pain he went through, physical, mental, and emotional. In the beginning, Koba was an innocent animal whose life destroyed by the worst humanity had to offer. In my opinion, Jacobs was way more of a monster than Koba. His greed and apathy to Koba's suffering more or less led to the destruction of the human race, so either way, Koba kind of got the last laugh.
He chose to become a monster when he killed his own kind for revenge. I could probably empathise with him more if he focused all his hatred towards the people that harmed him
Jacobs was simply your conventional gluttonous businessman. Extremely self-centered and conceited with virtually no care for others. However, he's not nearly as bad as Koba imo. Jacobs at least never murdered and enslaved his own species.
Koba had seen the similarities between humanity and his own species. He's seen other apes abusing each other. Which Koba was in deep self-denial of, until Caesar, someone he dearly trusted end up beating him up for speaking out of line. At that point, Koba could no longer deny that to himself, that apes weren't any better than the humans themselves. So, he started to fight for himself, and to gain retribution upon an uncaring world, and an uncaring universe.
I agree that war was inevitable between the two because of the third film's reveal that the Simian flu had mutated. But Koba' actions were wrong not only morally, but also rationally. Granted Caesar's chest-beating and Carver's stupidity didn't help things either.
Something interesting about Koba few realize is how similar he is to Scar from The Lion King. Both share a fraternal relationship with the good kings of their respective peoples (Caesar and Mufasa), are uncle figures to their nephews (Blue Eyes and Simba) whom they manipulate, and ultimately scheme to take over their respective communities, becoming tyrants in the end that must be felled by the returning true king. They even have scars going down the same eye.
And both Scar and Koba are the dark counterparts of the characters they face, representing what they could have been if they took the wrong path: -Scar, whilst subtle, has the exact childish and entitled attitude towards kingship that Simba had, believing that being King meant doing whatever you wanted with no regard for the consequences. In many ways, Scar is what Simba could have become if he grew too obsessed with his own power and never learnt that being King comes with responsibilities. -Koba, like Caesar, is named like a famous figure (in this case Koba was one of the aliases of Stalin during his revolutionary days) and ended up being the leader of his tribe of apes, but Koba ruled with an iron fist. Koba serves as what Caesar could have become if he chose to abuse his power to rule over everyone like a dictator, instead of promoting unity.
Oh man speaking of the The Planet of The Apes series, could you do a colonel Mccoullough video someday? He's the most complex, sad yet relateable villan by far.
Hey Vile Eye, I just wanted to say that after finding your channel a week or so ago, I’ve loved every bit of it. Just before writing this comment, I finished the American History X video and that might’ve been one of the most impactful I’ve heard purely because of the ultimate message of it. But it almost feels like all your vids have a big, oddly positive message. Maybe that’s just me, finding hopeful messages in analyses of villains in movies. But regardless, thank you
These movies are absolutely incredible. The writers went all out when making him.The build up to Koba’s villain arc is crazy. He was ready to unleash all hell from the start. Truly bad ass
(Although I know It had nothing to with me) I remember requesting this on an older video. As he's one of my favourite characters in fiction, and wanted a high quality video I could watch without researching the lore myself everytime. And so other people could appreciate him So pumped🙏
Koba truly is such an interesting villain. He's tragic and traumatized so its easy to understand where he comes from. But at the same time, he's totally irredeemable. He obviously isn't pure evil, but a product of trauma and suffering that broke him beyond any point of return.
Gosh, who’d have thought that Koba would go through so much pain and torment because of what these humans did to him. Now I can see why he was so aggressive with them.
This entire series is so well done. The writing, the acting and the CGI sets the bar. These movies could have been campy at best or ridiculous at its worst, but they have proven themselves as classics. These should have won more awards.
One of my favorite scenes in this trilogy, while a small one, is a great one nonetheless: Koba confronts Caesar about the humans working on the dam, and Caesar tells him to let them finish their “human work” and Koba starts pointing to all his scars from the years of experiments and says “human work”
It’s been so long since I watched this movie. I forgot a lot of what happened but I remember that it was a really good movie and I remember that helicopter scene with the gorilla. Poor guy didn’t make it.
Great video as always, I would love to see your analysis of Wagner Moura as Pablo Escobar from Narcos as he is one of the most terrifying portrayals of a real life ruthless drug lord I’ve seen
So much comes down to how one is reared or rather the environment they are reared in. Caesar grew up in a loving, caring and understanding environment. Koba probably for as long as he could remember was being poked, prodded and sliced open either for amusement or for "science". It breaks my heart thinking even hypothetically that Koba was once docile and innocent and one day his smile was taken away.
after rewatching the series, i think Koba and Caesar working more closely together and listening to each other instead of Caesar shutting down Koba every time humans were brought up would have led to Caesar being more cautious with the humans and knowing that a war was inevitable but still exhibiting the kindness and strength that made him a great leader
The dynamic of what Caser and Koba represent in the story has always been very interesting to me. Of all of the apes in the series, those two were the most human out of all of them.
Caser was the most human in the best of ways, while Koba was the most human in the worst of ways.
I like that.
Caesar*
Really ironic to Describe Koba that way. Kinda fitting for Ceaser.
Very true. Caesar is a leader that wants to bring peace and freedom, and do his best to avoid violence. Koba is a leader that believes in dominance and that violence is the only answer against their competitive race(humans).
Which I'm not saying it is. It can't be the only way. But nomatter how good and how pure and peaceful and idea is...time goes on and people get involved, humans with their own values be it greed or pride or wanting acknowledged, wanting to change things in their image, and like the telephone game, no matter what the original message is, it's gets polluted and perverse.
Or someone bigger tries to take it. Someone smarter tries to trick you,someone more charming talks you out of it
Forgot to bring up the fact that Koba is a Bonboo, Bonboos is famously known for being peaceful and docile creatures, and Caeser is a Chimpanzee, an ape known for aggression.
Yet Koba is the most violent character in the franchise while Caeser is a pacifist
Bonobos are also the apes most closely related to humans; the thing Koba hates the most. That is such dramatic irony.
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@@GuyverFan Chimps and Bonobos are both equally the closest related Apes to Humans.
@@GuyverFan Chimpanzees are closer to us genetically.
Caesar is definitely a reasonable ape when it comes to violence, but I would disagree that he is a pacifist.
My favorite scene of his is when he points to his scars and continually and escalating yells “human work”. Amazing writing!
That's one of my favorite Koba scenes too. It's such a powerful moment. You can tell just how strong his fury is, but that fury comes from the pain he's suffered. He wasn't just physically scarred by humans, they scarred him emotionally too.
Hence that grin when he pushed Jacobs off the bridge.
Same. My only wish is that rather than have Caesar essentially intimidate him into submission, he (Caesar) pointed to his head and also said "human work."
And the BEST part is how (by external info) the sustance that give intelligence also give him perfect memory of every torture
Difficult to be nice when you remember all the bad things
@jcol3000 I just finished this scene, and this would have been a perfect addition!
Koba is a villain that I find genuinely sympathetic. He became cruel due to the harshness of his upbringing.
Humans really tend to suck... I sympathize with Koba entirely.
An argument can be made that he’s not entirely wrong. A quick look at human history shows we can be incredibly violent and cruel.
It would be foolish of me to call Koba or even Sutter Cane from In the Mouth of Madness villains. Their agency and character made them choose to become villains under these circumstances so they couls become heroes in their story and have control rather than be controlled.They are creatures who were forced to become who they became by a fate which they had no control over.
@@ErikDayne Exactly - I am sure there is an element to Caesar towards the end of the 2nd movie and throughout the 3rd that understands why Koba was the way he was. Whilst his actions were extreme and still morally wrong, it would be ridiculous to not understand at some level why he did what he did especially given the constant prejudice that the apes experience through the whole trilogy.
@@ErikDayne if you use that thought process you can justify what most villains do. Nothing anyone does is that bad since humans are really cruel. Even worse than that conclusion could be used to justify the way we treat chimps, they are amongst the most brutal creatures in the animal kingdom. So what’s so bad at hurting them?
Koba is such an interesting “villain” to watch. You see him scarred from the “human work”, as he calls it, which just shows how deep his anger towards humans is, he is unwilling to accept that the humans who mistreated him and beat him for all of those years are any different from any of the non-villainous humans throughout the second film. He is a perfect mirror of Caeser in that way. Caeser being raised by humans in a loving environment compared to Koba who was beaten down almost his entire life.
Yet he is pretty chill compared to real chimpanzees
"Villain." It's possible to have a sad backstory and still be a bad guy.
Malfoy mistreated Caesar though
Koba is a lot like Sutter Cane from John Carpenter´s In the Mouth of Madness. Here is why. To Koba, mankind is an unnamable terror of existence, an unknowable alien intelligence which is unpredictable and therefore uncontrollable and ultimately unknowable. In Koba´s universe, mankind behaves like the Great Old Ones do in H.P.Lovecraft´s universe. The idea behind my analysis is actually incredibly complex, and I am sorry for the use of clumsy language here. Koba sees us as blind idiots who think they are gods, similarly as we view Azatoth, as the blind idiot God in the mouth of madness that is human existence and ultimately nature itself. Both groups, Koba´s apes and humans try to fathom and control this idiot god that must exist beyond their concept of time. The great apes do not have the same understanding of time as humans do, in the original series or the Planet of the Apes redux, the new version which makes both series convincing. In the mouth of madness is in many ways similar to the Planet of the Apes series, and despite Koba does not have access to a typewriter, the games he plays work similarly as the typewriter Sutter Cane learns to use, which the Great Old Ones gain control of and turn into a key to open portals to their worlds, resulting in the creation of the infamous monster wall. Unbeknownst to Koba, Azatoth is no idiot god, but behaves the way he does because of an order which is beyond our current comprehension. In the Planet of the Apes series, the monster wall are us, the humans who are being used by their own greed and selfishness to create a portal to a world run by uncontrollable stupidity, over which Koba could achieve some control if he had the foresight and the wisdom to do so. His downfall results from his failure to read and analyse comic books and other important literature, which might provide him with the answers he needs to find out why humans are the way they are, and thus the realization that nobody is in control. Thanks for your kind comment mr. Randall Flagg! Kind regards from Ásgeir in Iceland.
The scar proves he’s not entirely wrong I mean he has proof of humanity’s cruelty right on his face
I've always loved the irony of the most evil villain of Planet of the Apes being a bonobo. Bonobos are such peaceful creatures, but his environment would corrupt his peaceful nature into the monster we see in the films. For extra irony, bonobos are the apes most closely related to humans. So of all the apes seen in the movies he is the genetically closest to the humans he hates.
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As he looked into the abyss, he blinked.
Bonobos and chimps are equally as related to each other, so humans are equally related to chimps as humans are related to bonobos.
@@chesterdamolester6990 but are we not closer in our genetic makeup?
@@corporatecat230 humans are as close in genetic makeup to chimpanzees and bonobos equally.
Thank you for uploading this. Koba has to be one of the most severely underrated antagonists in media
I havent seen these movies but this seems surprisingly good
@@DoubleStudentLoans they are actually pretty entertaining.
Kobayashi will kill you
And our second Animalistic villain
@@bigcgaming9042 Davy Jones?
Greatest irony of DAWN Koba ended becoming what he hated the most: a cruel human
One of the most psychopathically, misanthropic, yet sympathetic and tragic villains ever put in film, Koba serves as a prime example of what happens when someone is raised in not just bad circumstances and mistreat, but when side mistreatment and circumstances defines an individual’s life and actions; creating the perfect foil to Caesar’s benevolence and respect to humanity whilst still acknowledging how bad the tension between humans and apes have become. I would like to see an analyzing evil episode on a Jurassic Park/World villain like the hybrid dinosaurs or one of the human characters of the franchise like Nedry, Lewis Dodgson, Henry Wu, or John Hammond from the novel.
He could do a video about Dodgson and make the title “Dodgson! We have Dodgson here!”
I do not like the way you talk bad about Blacque Folx.
@@jamegumb7298 where are they talking about black people?
@@an-animal-lover *Blacque.
Spell the honorary word yt man.
@@jamegumb7298 honestly thought that was a typo, didn't answer my question
One thing I should mention: Toby Kebbell (who played him in Dawn and War) is SUCH an underrated and underused actor that I wish would be in more stuff. His career kinda got kneecapped after he played Doctor Doom in Fant4stic, but that’s not at ALL his fault. I hope he gets the chance to be in more stuff, because his performance in this (as well as Guy Ritchie’s RockNRolla) show how talented Kebbell really can be.
Me and my friends quote Johnny Quid all the time, and RockNRolla too. Truly the most underrated movie in Guy Ritchie's career. I never hear people talk about it
He’s incredible in the Black Mirror episode “Entire History of You”
He's great in Servant, apple tv exclusive show
I really liked him in both roles he played in Skull Island - he played Kong!
I enjoyed his acting in fantastic four, didn’t know he was in these movies:)
This trilogy Is a masterpiece
2/3 through a re-watch. I have to say some of the second film was quite disappointing story wise. They really went to town on the visuals though.
@@happinesstanwhat’s wrong with the story?
@happinesstan I agree but with the first. It was terrible. James Franco doesn't even speak like a scientist. And he used a virus and decided to use a more aggressive strain, but I never heard him say anything about putting his father on immunosuppressive medications to mitigate the immune system against the first iteration of the treatment. And then in the lab, his coworker should have been quarantined immediately. And then when sick, he goes to his house and then his neighbor shows up to a property that ISN'T HIS just to get sneezed on. It's ridiculous!
@@happinesstan The 2nd movie was the best one tbh. I thought the first one was the most flawed
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 You're probably correct. all my beefs with the second are set up by the premise of the first.
Koba: "Caesar brother to humans! Koba fight for ape! Free ape!"
Caesar: "Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba. Koba belong in cage."
I feel like this exchange is what highlights the qualities that truly make Koba evil. Koba may have genuinely cared for his fellow apes at one point. But the fact that he's willing to kill other apes to "protect" them from humanity shows the cracks in his armor. By the time he and Caesar come to blows, Koba is concerned only with revenge against humans for what they did to HIM specifically, not justice for apes who suffered as he did. It's not so much Koba's act of war itself that makes him evil, but his reasons for doing so. Because despite how he presents himself to the other apes, Koba's revolution was ultimately a selfish one. He doesn't truly care about how his war affects the rest of his species anymore. So long as the war ends with Koba standing above humanity, every other ape can die for all he cares. Koba's own selfish desire for revenge is what made him evil at the end, as Caesar calls him out on here. That's my thought anyway.
This guy gets it
And that is ultimately why this War isn’t the way to go. Yes, when War comes to your doorstep, you fight back.
But if there is a chance for peace, you reach for it and be kind in-turn.
Life and the choices we all make will always lead towards difficult ends, but we should never encourage War for Selfish ends.
Basically killmonger vs t'challa
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What it comes down to is that Caesar was trying to protect his family and fellow apes. War might have been inevitable, but to prevent needless violence and ape lives lost, he was willing to coexist with humans for the moment. Koba only cared about vengeance and himself. He wasn't looking out for anyone's interests. That's why Caesar was in the right
Yep. Even if his philosophy is pushed to the extreme it wouldn’t work. If every ape felt and acted the same way their teamwork and cooperation would fall apart from within, not to mention apes would be constantly killing each over for different policies to be enforced (like he established with one dissenting ape)
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Humans are doomed in planet of the apes just wipe the humans out
Yup
Not to mention you can tell Koba started to enjoy killing when he waged war against humans. As long as he was satisfied in his revenge, nothing else mattered to him, not even the lives of his fellow apes.
It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
I hadn't thought of it that way.
You make a good point.
Yup, like PTSD driving a peaceful vet into madness.
Omg this makes so much sense
How is this not top comment instead of the two bots saying the exact same thing about peaceful bonobos and it's so interesting cause theyre related to humans copy and paste ass post
@@cjpkallday5233 you're right lol. "diD yOu KnOw tHaT bOnObOs aRe vErY pEacEfUL" WE GET IT GOD DAMN
the tragedy of Koba is that he could have ended up as compassionate as Caesar, but the abusive upbringing and cruelty only saw the dark side of humanity never letting go of his past and letting his rage and pain take over making him do horrible things and justifying it as for his people when really it was for him and his wrath.
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Normal response tbf. Most people will not turn out peaceful after being tortured like that.
One of the scenes that stood out to me in 'Rise' was that when the apes are busted out of the testing facility, there is a shot with the majority of freed apes flock in one direction to escape together with Caesar, while Koba chooses his own path separate from the rest. This was subtle foreshadowing of his later path of Evil away from Caesar. The little details like that are what make these films truly special - best trilogy of the 2010s in my opinion.
"That's how it starts: the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns a good man cruel."
Koba's life of abuse, especially during the brief time he was in show business, brings to mind the allegations of abuse towards apes. The worst example was when one of the orangutans who played Clyde in the Any Which Way films was bludgeoned hard enough that it killed him, just for trying to snatch a doughnut from catering. It makes me glad that apes are steadily being replaced by performers in creature suits and motion capture dots.
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I absolutely loved that you decided to visit Koba, in my opinion he's one of the greatest villains ever made. Understandable motivations and background, absolutely no redeeming qualities, and a constant persistent hatred of humans that make him automatically come into conflict with Caesar (who grew up and learned to love humans) just based on their own ideologies. Incredible character, excellent video as always!
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes.
It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
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@@huntercool2232 not really, very intresting comment and I agree. Also the star wars quote was on point.
Interestingly, like Stephen from Django, Koba hates his former slavemasters, and yet he also learned so much from them and uses their methods. Koba probably remembers more of the human world--subtleties and all--than anyone except Caesar.
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Stephen didn't hate his slavemasters, he hated his fellow slaves.
Africans as apes?
@@jankulas463 exactly.
@@jankulas463 ah, an important distinction, he did not seem to show much hostility to the rich
Thank you for doing my request. He’s such a great villain.
I dont consider him a villain
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@@drointhewind480 Just because someone has a sad backstory doesn't mean they're not a villain.
@@joshheralal8758 Actually Koba is not a villain in fact Matt Reeves himself and Toby Kebbell have said that he barely becomes an antagonist. Many say that Koba was bad from the beginning, when it is not so, before Koba was almost beaten to death by Caesar, he was a beautiful being who showed genuine love and concern for all apes, especially for Caesar, it is more , he not only loved him as a brother, but also admired him as a leader and was grateful with his life for having saved him from the mistreatment he suffered every day. That is why in the hunt when hearing Caesar's cry for help, he does not hesitate at any time to go to help him, saving the lives of Blue Eyes and Caesar. If Caesar and the other apes had given him the emotional support Koba needed, he would never have done anything wrong, Koba was suffering with his traumas and fears, and all Koba needed was at least one ape to care about him (this too is confirmed by Toby Kebbell) an ape who would actually listen to him, who would have saved him.
@@caoba_bonoboFor that reason, Koba is very relatable to real life people mostly to Hitler because he has a good in him. What is more crazy is that he is listed as a complete Monster in Tv Tropes and as a Pure Evil villain. I don’t understand why these people classify him as a complete monster if he is very relatable to real life people and he also has good in him. For that reason is why i love Koba more than any villains. What do you think of people classifying him as a complete monster?
Koba truly broke my heart. Broke. My. Heart. I totally understood his rage at every single point. The reboot films were just shockingly good.
Enslavement is understandable and him killing his own kind aswell
Why would you feel bad for him. He kills innocents.
@@Falangista2008 the hatred that scarred scar plus combining the confusion of why and Rebellions.
First one was terrible on rewatch😂
APES TOGETHER, STRONG!
Classic Goku trying to convince Vegeta to fuse.
Howd that work out for kong :/
@@dencocreations1701 Kong had no "apes". Weak
that scene in the war of the planet of the apes gave me chills. such an amazing cinematic universe w an even better message behind it.
@@N3XTREVOLUTIONKong has Godzilla Kong has shimo Kong has suko Kong has ape
APES LIZARD TOGETHER STRONG
Koba is such a compelling villain. His backstory is super tragic. But at no point is it used to justify his evil deeds, it only explains his actions. I'd love an episode on KingPin or Purple Man from the MCU Netflix shows, I think those two characters are insanely intereseting and definitely worth an episode on your show
Or even Bullseye. He doesnt have nearly as much screen time as the other two but has just as much depth and complexity to his character.
@@markhynes1940and he is relatable to us.
Koba makes such a great villain because not only he was right to question the humans but he had a reason to hate them much as he did which is why we can sympathize with him. His downfall was that he allowed his hate to consume him and put his revenge above the safety and protection of the other apes.
Good choice, I find it downright impressive how malicious Koba was in that film, intimidating and acting on a level that arguably outshone the protagonist.
Koba was so broken I always felt sorry for him
You felt sorry for a narcissist prick that killed his own kind and inoccent humans that took pleasure in doing so?
yes but that was never an excuse to mistreat his own kind, theyve never done anything to him and somehow still finds a way to turn against his own
@@rrruubyame With Hitler, he might have a Human side but the massive killing of people does not absolutely excuse his humane side.
@@rrruuby Agreed. That's when I stopped feeling sorry for him
Koba is definitely why this is my favorite movie in the series so far, he’s one of those villains who you can’t really blame for his actions, he also has a bad ass design, and honestly I would argue that in ways he is smarter than Ceaser with his ability to speak more and speak clearer than him, but he’s definitely one of the coolest villains out there
He’s my favorite character in the franchise
great that you did this one. Koba makes the second film stand out so much, he's the driving force of it being so intense and gripping. Tony Kebbell's performance is very underrated too - he shines over Serkis imo
I’ve recommended him before, but I gotta suggest Clay Puppington from Moral Orel.
He’s not a grand villain with large-scale horrendous acts, but the way he goes about his evil and how he got there is so interesting and a lot of fun to dive into it.
Clay to me is one of the most realistically evil villains for an adult swim cartoon. His portrayal of alcoholism and bigotry sadly mirror a lot of real life examples
I really want to see that too.
Clay is such a wonderful character. He walks this tightrope of making you pity him while knowing he's unrepentant in his misery and will never change.
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I love the original ending for clay. Bloberta was supposed to have essentially a redemption arc and end up with Officer Papermouth.
Clay would end up alone with alcohol and his ‘commandments’
Such a great trilogy. I think these films are underrated.
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gotta say the close up shot of Koba on the horse with a spear on his shoulder with that menacing look on his face and eyes (as seen in the thumbnail) is definitely one of the coolest shots of a character ive ever seen
i see some people saying 'koba wasn't a villain' or 'koba was right' because people say that koba could have cared for the apes better then ceaser could have
but, koba didn't care about the apes
while their home burns around them, he doesn't run to try to free any trapped apes; he uses the opportunity to indoctrinate blue eyes
when ash refuses to kill an innocent person, a task that any other ape could have done for koba; koba kills ash and threatens to kill any other ape that disobeys
blue eyes tells ceaser that koba wants the women and children brought into the city; aka 'please bring the most vulnerable apes to the most dangerous place possible'
and, after the tower explosion that killed and injured so many apes; while ceaser is going around trying to help every ape he can; koba fires indiscriminately into the crowd of apes
'koba fight for koba'
He had been driven, almost unrelentingly, to the Dark Side. He ceased to be Curious George and became Darth Koba. When that happened, the good bonobo whom he had been went Ape Shit. 😏
War between humans an apes was inevitable but that didn't mean that peace wasn't either. Thus the Sun Tzu saying, "In times of Peace, Prepare for War. In times of War, Prepare for Peace." That fact that Koba refused to have mercy is ultimately the reason he is evil. As his righteously acquired anger was being unrighteously executed as vengeance that even effected the innocent. All the humans weren't evil. All the humans didn't deserve to die. And Vice Versa.
I wonder if Koba's POV of humans would have slightly changed had there been animal rights activists protesting at GenSys. Granted he definitely wouldn't trusted them overnight.
Honestly Koba and Darth Maul has alot of similarities, they both products of an abusive upbringing and oppressed species, both of them saw their mother being killed by their "guardians", both were guided by hate and vengence and wanted to be at the top of power, and both have a rival that in a way, were in the similar position as they were but in the other side of the coin, fighting for a lie (Ceaser and Obiwan)
I think one thing about entities being this evil whilst starting out empathetic, is that they become so cruel because they want others to feel their pain. It is a cry of them for their empathy by hurting them in ways they are hurt, or attempt to hurt in similar magnitude, that they want to be heard by their peers and victims.
Few suggestions
1)GLADOS from Portal
2)Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire
3)Vault Tec from Fallout
4)Bane from The Dark Knight Rises
5)Sophia Lamb from Bioshock
Be cool to see vault Tec
Vault-Tec would be very interesting to hear indeed.
Just restarted boardwalk empire. Nucky would be so good! Seeing in season 1 how Nucky admires Margaret for being a woman with a strong mind and stand by her beliefs just for him to essentially eliminate all she stood by was very manipulative. He loved her for being better than him and wanted to deserve her but when he gets her, he completely brings her down to his level.
Definitely Vault-Tec
Now this is an underrated villain.
Thank you for doing Koba. I've been for this for a while. Pretty good analyzing. I enjoyed this video. You did a good job describing Koba's past, his mentality, his crimes, and his motivations. I like how you think he is a tragic villain with very understandable and sympathetic motives, but still acknowledge his evil, horrific and inexcusable crimes, tyranny and treachery.
Koba is my favorite of the Planet of the Apes villains. He is so tragic and pitiable, but also a very cool and interesting, terrifying villain. His tragic past, his emotional and mental problems (he obviously suffers from PTSD, still feeling the pain of his past even after many years), and the complex reasons behind his actions make him easy to sympathize with and show how tragedy, abuse and trauma can change a naturally peaceful, friendly creature. His strength, skill and cunning as a fighter and manipulator make him very entertaining. The strength of his fury and his brutality, savagery and ruthlessness make him a very severe, dangerous and frightening foe. His actions show that those who are mistreated and abused since childhood can become just as bad as their abusers, if not worse, if they allow their pain and anger to consume them. Koba's voice actor, Toby Kebbell did a really good job.
It's also worth noting that Koba's species the bonobos are naturally peaceful, friendly creatures as they are the most sociable and least violent of the great apes (bonobos can be aggressive if they really need to be, but they are generally peaceful and rarely resort to violence). Koba, on the other hand, is without a doubt, the most violent, aggressive and savage ape in the reboot trilogy. It's also mentioned in the War for the Planet of the Apes prequel novel 'Revelations' that even though Koba was a well-respected member of the ape colony, it wasn't easy to get to know him, as he generally kept to himself. The fact that Koba is the most horribly scarred of all the apes and is so un-Bonobo like in his behavior says a lot about how much he suffered at the hands of humans.
I mean no offense, but you did miss a few things in your video, including two pretty important details from Koba's backstory:
1: His original caretaker, Mary, allowed him to believe he was human. She never outright lied to Koba that he was human, but she never bothered to correct his incorrect belief that he was, or explain to him that non-signing apes were like him, and also never taught him what the word 'chimp,' meant, even when presented with opportunities to do so. So, she basically conditioned him to believe he was human. When Koba would finally realize he wasn't human many years later, he would conclude that Mary had deceived him and this further strengthened his mistrust of humans.
2: Koba's breaking point with humanity was caused by Steven Jacobs. Just before Will and Franklin came to experiment on Koba, Jacobs visited Koba in his cage and sadistically taunted him by calling him the "ugliest ape in the world" and telling him that no matter how human he thought he was, he was nothing but a stupid animal. This made Koba finally realize that he wasn't human, and also made him reflect on all the pain and suffering humans had caused him (killing his mother, brutally training him for entertainment, blinding his left eye, separating him from his friend, Milo, and torturously experimenting on Koba for years). From that moment on, Koba would be able to feel nothing for humans expect hate, anger, fear, mistrust, and a desire to hurt and frighten them as he had been hurt and scared by them. Koba had already suffered a lot at the hands of many different humans before he even met Jacobs, but ultimately, it was Jacobs' cruel treatment of Koba that sealed his hatred and lust for vengeance on humanity forever.
Also, again I mean no offense, but you made a small mistake in Koba's backstory; Tommy scarring and blinding his left eye happened after the cancellation of Tommy's TV show.
Another thing you missed is the fight between Koba and Caesar at the dam, which marks the end of their friendship and Koba's final and complete breaking point, and his descent into madness and villainy. After discovering the human armory, Koba goes to warn Caesar, but after learning that he is having the apes help the humans work on the dam even after Carver attacked Caesar's son, Koba loses his temper and accuses Caesar of loving humans more than apes. Enraged by Koba's insolence, Caesar attacks Koba, beats him up, and very nearly strangles him to death in front of the apes and humans, only sparing him at the last moment because of the 'Ape not kill ape law.' Caesar beating and dominating Koba in front of the apes and humans finally makes him snap and decide to betray Caesar. I think it breaks Koba for four reasons:
1: It reminds him of the abuse he received from humans.
2: He feels betrayed by Caesar for helping the humans and for almost killing him just for speaking out of turn.
3: He also feels betrayed by the other apes for not coming to his aid (while lying on the floor after Caesar beats him, Koba looks to the other apes for help and is visibly hurt when they avoid his gaze). I think it's at this point that Koba decides to fight for himself rather than his fellow apes, though he never consciously realizes it or admits it to himself.
4: He is deeply humiliated by the fact that the beating happened not only in front of his fellow apes, but also humans; the creatures he hates most.
Regarding the scene at the dam, I don't think Koba was imploring the other apes to help when he looked at them. Caesar's attack was sudden and the fight was over quickly, so there wasn't that much opportunity to step in. I also think Koba probably understood that with Caesar being their leader, it probably appeared to them that Koba was challenging his leadership (which he was, kinda) and that it wasn't their place to intervene in the dispute. I agree though, he is clearly humiliated by being beaten in front of the humans and his fellow apes. However, I think he also realizes that even though he's been spared, he's completely lost favor with Caesar and his overall ability to influence his comrades has been greatly diminished. At that point, Koba knows he can't trust anyone and understands he has to go rogue to do what he deems necessary.
Really, thank you very much for your comment, I have waited so long for an analysis of Koba of this magnitude but the only comments that I have found in general are either very superficial or very little empathetic, also I also have the same analysis from the moment that Caesar almost physically killing Koba in the dam was what completely broke him and the fact that Caesar did that was horrible, but more the humiliation before the apes and humans and worst of all, when Koba seeks help with the other apes so that just look away in disgust and disgust (including Stone and Gray) was what completely killed the Koba from before and turned him into a completely different being. It's like Matt Reeves said, what really killed Koba was all the apes' lack of empathy for his traumas and fears, especially Caesar, who could never understand Koba's pain until he went through something similar. If an ape, anyone, had at least listened to Koba, he would be alive, the real Koba would never have died.
@@caoba_bonobo Thank you. May I ask, where did Matt Reeves say that?
@@samfforde5120 On the War for the Planet of the Apes and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes blu-rays there's the option to watch the movie with commentary from Matt Reeves, and it's on those blu-rays that he talks about the lack of empathy. that Caesar had with Koba and the mistake of the other apes by ignoring the situation in which Koba was.
@@caoba_bonobo Oh really? I did not know that, as my DVD versions of those movies are not Blu-ray. Thank you very much for telling me. Maybe I will try to get Blu-ray versions of them. Maybe you could send me a direct quote of Matt Reeves describing that?
YES!!! I’ve wanted you to do Koba for ages now!
Please also make analysis videos on the following villains:
Hans Beckert - M
Begbie - Trainspotting
Ben - Man Bites Dog
Lavrentiy Beria - The Death of Stalin
BOB - Twin Peaks
Mr Bytes - The Elephant Man
Lt. Chang - Only God Forgives
Joe Cooper - Killer Joe
Phyllis Dietrichson - Double Indemnity
Robert G. Durant - Darkman
Evil - Time Bandits
Auric Goldfinger - Goldfinger
Trevor Goodchild - Æon Flux
Eve Harrington - All About Eve
J. J. Hunsecker - Sweet Smell of Success
El Indio - For a Few Dollars More
Mrs. Eleanor Iselin - The Manchurian Candidate
Kakihara - Ichi the Killer
Rosa Klebb - From Russia with Love
Egor Korshunov - Air Force One
Raymond Lemorne - The Vanishing
Harry Lime - The Third Man
Ben Linus - Lost
Don Logan - Sexy Beast
David Lo Pan - Big Trouble in Little China
Santanico Pandemonium - From Dusk till Dawn
Peter and Paul - Funny Games 97
Reverend Harry Powell - The Night of the Hunter
Professor Ratigan - The Great Mouse Detective
Daddy & Mommy Robeson - The People Under the Stairs
Francisco Scaramanga - The Man with the Golden Gun
Khan Noonien Singh - Star Trek
Lord Summerisle - The Wicker Man
The Swede - Hell on Wheels
Dr Szell - Marathon Man
Varla - Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!
Lorren Visser - Blood Simple
Percy Wetmore - The Green Mile
Johnny Wong - Hard Boiled
@jacko250 I would like to see these villains as well:
Gollum (Lord of the Rings franchise)
The Penguin (Batman Returns)
Kitty Galore (Cats and Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore)
Herbert West (Re-Animator franchise)
Dr. Moreau (The Island of Doctor Moreau)
Oogie Boogie (The Nightmare Before Christmas)
Dr. Facilier (Disney's The Princess and the Frog)
As well as:
Uncle Bully of Once Were Warriors
The villains of Disney's Pinocchio
Dr. Frederick Chilton of Silence of the Lambs
Makuta of The Bionicle Franchise
Hitler of Downfall
Kent Mansley of The Iron Giant
Cantor Rabinowitz of The Jazz Singer (if possible)
Mother Superior of Silent Night Deadly Night
Hopper of A Bug's Life
Al McWhiggan of Toy Story 2
Lotso Huggin Bear of Toy Story 3
Mr. Brocklehurst of Jane Eyre
I like that in War, after killing Koba, Ceasar still sympathized with him, seeing himself becoming just like him, unable to escape his own hatred.
It is Koba who makes Ceaser realize that humans and apes are no different from each other.
An interesting note is that bonobo’s are generally calmer and more tranquil compared to chimps like Caesar. Nice detail since they both changed drastically after becoming intelligent. Great video. I love this movie series.
It's not only their intelligence, but also their upbringing. The abuse of Koba made him into what he was in the trilogy.
Aye, I know this is off topic but when koba died by the fall, it was the best death sound design I’ve ever heard. Pop in your AirPods or 5.1 stereo and it’s the most disturbing scream of agony for like 15 seconds. His scream turns to pain in such a way that I have never seen done or re-created ever since. It’s never talked about and I would like you people to pay attention to it. It will stay with you forever, like it did me.
Koba is a classic sociopath, his evil forming under the weight of unimaginable cruelty, punishment and torture. He is a pure product of his environment, he has so much rage built up. He is a villain made, not born.
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I think Koba’s path to evil is particularly unique because of the simian flu virus. Koba began his existence as an animal that is abruptly thrust through several million years worth of evolution literally overnight. An animal who experiences nothing but violence will invariably behave violently, but a sentient being might be able to overcome there rage enough to try and approach a constructive solution to their predicament. Kobu spent the majority of his life as an animal who was abused constantly which caused his animal nature to destroy the possible enlightened and reconciliation as a sentient being.
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Villains and hero's usually are born from tragedy. Difference is how they deal with the event
Also depends on the tragedy. I don't think any other ape went through as much torture as Koba
Id love to see and episodes of the Colonel, as he strengthens a lot of your points.
He essentially points out to Caesar that apes in the situation they are in are likely to replace us as the dominant species due to their comparable intelligence and superior strength.
I think he had these thoughts brewing within him for a while, and the mutation of the virus that took away our humanity was the final bit of evidence he needed to take things into his own hands.
The Vile Eye's analyzing evil videos have finally rejected humanity and *embraced monke*
One of the scariest villains are those that you understand, yet feel totally helpless in trying to redeem/correct, because to them, they are already, understandably, right.
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this one a long time and it didn’t disappoint
I was absolutely stoked the moment I saw the notification of this video. Koba was indeed a great antagonist, while I can understand why he waged war against the humans I disagree immensely because of his treacherous methods. This was a well explained video without a doubt.
his hatred blinded him and led him to the destruction of what he originally cared about in the first place which was his fellow apes. heartbreaking but a beautifully written character nonetheless.
Koba’s intense anger and cruelty is tragic honestly. He didn’t WANT to be this way. It was within him and eventually consumed him. For years, he was able to live fine with caesar but as soon as the fear of humans became a threat again all those years of anger came back. His desire for war & security overpowered everything else.
Relative to Koba, Caesar had it easy. Never had to see his mom die. Never had to get passed from kind humans to cruel humans until he was mature enough to deal with it AND luckily had plenty of apes nearby to lead and achieve freedom relatively quick.
To Koba’s credit, it was him who killed most of humanity unintentionally though I’m sure he’d have chosen it if he knew he could. In the end, he got most of what he wanted, just couldn’t hold on to the chance for a new life. I’m sure if he had kids he’d have something deeper to juxtapose survival against. Like yeah I want to survive but do I want to possibly bring war upon my family ? He just didn’t have what caesar had in emotional structure. He shared the same intellect, and ten times as much rage.
Yeah, if Koba had found a lover, and a family. He would've understood Caesar better. But I think he never moved on from the past, so he couldn't bond with other apes easily because of it.
Though who wouldn't go insane after seeing exclusively the cruel and selfish of humanity
Koba Is a very complex villain that we all like. Hes also One of those example of a villain with a genuine tragic backstory but the action that he take are far inexcusable. I notice that many people like ti see im tragic and in a way It Is but we should consider the crime and many unjust death that he did in the sequel of the movie. Koba Is the example of the hate,Anger and xenophobia can consum you and turning you into a Monster. He cause a civil war between two races, he kill and imprisoned even the apes and many innocent human. While he Sais that he did all of this for his people its clear that he did It for Power and control. Even Cesar saw him as irredeemable because he was so consume with Is hate and prejudice.
Many people considered koba even as One of the most evil villain in a movie because of his action.
In the koba Is a villain Who endure much and destroy so much more
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Koba is probably one of the rawest portrayals of a living being driven to violent madness through pain. It unflinchingly asserts Koba couldn't possibly have turned out in any other way - he had literally no option, none, to become anything but a psychopath. The fact that he is an "animal" makes his portrayal all the more harrowing. He is the living embodiment of human's cheerful, nonchalant brutality towards the environment. The torture inflicted on Koba wasn't even done with active malicious intent. It was as a mundane matter of course, just another part of someone's job, someone too underpaid, too desensitised, or just too ignorant to stop and consider their test subject's wellbeing.
To me, one of Koba's most tragic scenes was in fact the moment where he plays the fool to distract the two guards. The only way for him to escape is to humiliate himself before his former torturers. To play to human ignorance, the very ignorance that mutilated his whole body, and to confirm them in their shallow, objectifying view of his species.
Watching that film, you simply can't despise Koba. By despising Koba, we despise ourselves.
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The most chilling scene in any of these three movies, I think it might have actually been KOBA doing it, was when there was that group of soldiers sitting around bs'ing, and the ape (again I think it WAS Koba) comes up, does the OOH OOH AHH PFFFFFFT routine and then picks up a gun and lights the soldiers up. Never ceases to make me shudder - the look on his face when he picks up the gun and drains the mag on the soldiers.
@@JoryMcDaniel Yes, that was actually Koba! They're the same two soldiers who threatened him in the previous scene. And he doesn't just annihilate them - he first shoots one of them, then waits until the shock dawns in the other one's eyes. And then he smirks and shoots him too. Somehow, the scene managed to be both immensely satisfying and incredibly tragic - because you know he's just chosen the path of no return, both for himself and for his community.
@@thesardonicpig3835 perfectly said!
How is Koba such a badass ape villain but he is also shown to be seen as the most human throughout the series and his relationship with Caser is also the saddest
I can try to answer that question with a quote from Ender’s game: “In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him.”
Wild. I was thinking it would be great if we got a Koba video when I was watching some other videos this weekend and here it is 🔥
There’s a Planet of the Apes book that I brought at dollar tree, I think it’s called Firestorm and it has Koba’s backstory in it and damn it made me feel even more sympathy towards him.
I just watched Dawn and War back-to-back for the first time and wow… simply amazing. The cinematography, the cgi, the narrative, the characters, the actors(apes?!), the score, just everything was well done.
Yes yes and yes I have been waiting for this character to appear on channel ! Thank you for this character analysis.
I love the POTA franchise, and Koba is a really good villain and I’m glad you covered him:
Here are some vile recommendations for you to cover next:
Odin from Gow Ragnarok
Unitology from the Dead Space franchise
The four horsemen from Knock at the Cabin/The cabin at the end of the world
The Los Illuminados cult from Re4
Josh Washington from Until Dawn
Cthulhu from the Cthulhu Mythos
Thank you for doing this one, Vile Eye! I actually submitted the name almost a year ago, and whether it was picked up or randomly chosen, I thank you regardless!
I agree with your assessment completely, war should always have been on the table. Koba knew more than anyone the cruelty of man. He spent his entire life under the thumb of human, powerless, without agency. He was beaten, bruised, burned and scared, and that’s all he would ever feel.. until Caesar. Caesar gave him power, agency and meaning, and Koba finally felt love and compassion, but when the humans came back to his life all he could see was them stripping him of his power, ripping him from his new found agency and forcing him back into that lab, to burn him again, and he would do anything to avoid that.
Koba is one of the most sympathetic villains I can think of. He's a monster, but he didn't choose to be one. He was tortured for his entire life at the hands of cruel and abusive humans. Like Caesar said, "From humans, Koba only learned hate. Nothing else". That's why Koba is essentially the embodiment of hatred and vengeance, his mind was warped beyond repair due to the torture and pain he went through, physical, mental, and emotional. In the beginning, Koba was an innocent animal whose life destroyed by the worst humanity had to offer. In my opinion, Jacobs was way more of a monster than Koba. His greed and apathy to Koba's suffering more or less led to the destruction of the human race, so either way, Koba kind of got the last laugh.
He chose to become a monster when he killed his own kind for revenge. I could probably empathise with him more if he focused all his hatred towards the people that harmed him
Jacobs was simply your conventional gluttonous businessman. Extremely self-centered and conceited with virtually no care for others. However, he's not nearly as bad as Koba imo. Jacobs at least never murdered and enslaved his own species.
Koba had seen the similarities between humanity and his own species. He's seen other apes abusing each other. Which Koba was in deep self-denial of, until Caesar, someone he dearly trusted end up beating him up for speaking out of line. At that point, Koba could no longer deny that to himself, that apes weren't any better than the humans themselves.
So, he started to fight for himself, and to gain retribution upon an uncaring world, and an uncaring universe.
That's why I hate animal testing no matter how one justifies it it's nothing short of cynical
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I agree that war was inevitable between the two because of the third film's reveal that the Simian flu had mutated. But Koba' actions were wrong not only morally, but also rationally. Granted Caesar's chest-beating and Carver's stupidity didn't help things either.
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It’s funny that a bonobo is the series antagonist and a chimp is the good natured protagonist.
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Something interesting about Koba few realize is how similar he is to Scar from The Lion King. Both share a fraternal relationship with the good kings of their respective peoples (Caesar and Mufasa), are uncle figures to their nephews (Blue Eyes and Simba) whom they manipulate, and ultimately scheme to take over their respective communities, becoming tyrants in the end that must be felled by the returning true king. They even have scars going down the same eye.
Solo que koba esta mejor escrito que scar.
@@davidalbertomejiacabrera7148porque Koba esta mejor escrito que Scar? Lo hace bastante familiar a los dictadores que tenían algún tipo de bien?
And both Scar and Koba are the dark counterparts of the characters they face, representing what they could have been if they took the wrong path:
-Scar, whilst subtle, has the exact childish and entitled attitude towards kingship that Simba had, believing that being King meant doing whatever you wanted with no regard for the consequences. In many ways, Scar is what Simba could have become if he grew too obsessed with his own power and never learnt that being King comes with responsibilities.
-Koba, like Caesar, is named like a famous figure (in this case Koba was one of the aliases of Stalin during his revolutionary days) and ended up being the leader of his tribe of apes, but Koba ruled with an iron fist. Koba serves as what Caesar could have become if he chose to abuse his power to rule over everyone like a dictator, instead of promoting unity.
one of my favorite movie trilogies of all time
Still can’t get over the CGI of these movies. Absolutely absurd.
Oh man speaking of the The Planet of The Apes series, could you do a colonel Mccoullough video someday? He's the most complex, sad yet relateable villan by far.
Hey Vile Eye, I just wanted to say that after finding your channel a week or so ago, I’ve loved every bit of it. Just before writing this comment, I finished the American History X video and that might’ve been one of the most impactful I’ve heard purely because of the ultimate message of it. But it almost feels like all your vids have a big, oddly positive message. Maybe that’s just me, finding hopeful messages in analyses of villains in movies. But regardless, thank you
"Evil" has so many angles
These movies are absolutely incredible. The writers went all out when making him.The build up to Koba’s villain arc is crazy. He was ready to unleash all hell from the start. Truly bad ass
Everyone's favorite rage ape.
(Although I know It had nothing to with me) I remember requesting this on an older video. As he's one of my favourite characters in fiction, and wanted a high quality video I could watch without researching the lore myself everytime. And so other people could appreciate him
So pumped🙏
Jim Williams from midnight in the garden of good and evil would be a trip!
I think Koba is by far the best villain from the Planet of The Apes franchise.
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Everybody knows this.
Koba truly is such an interesting villain. He's tragic and traumatized so its easy to understand where he comes from. But at the same time, he's totally irredeemable. He obviously isn't pure evil, but a product of trauma and suffering that broke him beyond any point of return.
Koba was born from Hate and Caesar From Love.
Koba wasn’t so bad, he just hated people. As a person, I can relate.
He's a hypocrite. He killed the other apes, proving that he just fights for himself
@@joseluis5055 "Koba fight for Koba"
One of my most favorite character! His face showed so much hatred towards humans,I can’t blame him.
Gosh, who’d have thought that Koba would go through so much pain and torment because of what these humans did to him. Now I can see why he was so aggressive with them.
Monsters are made not born. Koba was born with love and innocence, but made with vengeance and hatred.
Tbh, this analysis makes me want to see these films
This entire series is so well done. The writing, the acting and the CGI sets the bar. These movies could have been campy at best or ridiculous at its worst, but they have proven themselves as classics. These should have won more awards.
Props to Toby Kebbell for another great role
How all of this analysis coming from an ape character is incredible.
Koba:
Koba fight for apes!
Caesar:
Koba fight for Koba.
Funny how a chimpanzee is the protagonist and a bonobo is the antagonist, i like that twist
You should cover an episode about A.M. from "I have No Mouth and I Must Scream."! Love the content as always!
One of my favorite scenes in this trilogy, while a small one, is a great one nonetheless: Koba confronts Caesar about the humans working on the dam, and Caesar tells him to let them finish their “human work” and Koba starts pointing to all his scars from the years of experiments and says “human work”
I felt so bad for the two people he first killed. They were actually enjoying his company.
Only because he acted like a clown for them. They were only comfortable with him being subservient and them being dominant.
Kobizzle for shizzle
Him playing stupid has a whole other layer of tragedy added to it now that I know that he used to be forced to do tricks for a circus owner......
What if a human actually liked him? Yeah he was a circus animal. So was the Orangutan, but that animal trusted some humans
@@peterversionone That's the sad part, Koba DID have good people in his life, he just had more bad experiences with humans than good ones.
It’s been so long since I watched this movie. I forgot a lot of what happened but I remember that it was a really good movie and I remember that helicopter scene with the gorilla. Poor guy didn’t make it.
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Great video as always, I would love to see your analysis of Wagner Moura as Pablo Escobar from Narcos as he is one of the most terrifying portrayals of a real life ruthless drug lord I’ve seen
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So much comes down to how one is reared or rather the environment they are reared in. Caesar grew up in a loving, caring and understanding environment. Koba probably for as long as he could remember was being poked, prodded and sliced open either for amusement or for "science". It breaks my heart thinking even hypothetically that Koba was once docile and innocent and one day his smile was taken away.
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Next you should cover Darth Maul, it's a story that's rather similar to Koba's.
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after rewatching the series, i think Koba and Caesar working more closely together and listening to each other instead of Caesar shutting down Koba every time humans were brought up would have led to Caesar being more cautious with the humans and knowing that a war was inevitable but still exhibiting the kindness and strength that made him a great leader