Great list! Intamin still sells their Woodies. I've interviewed Daniel Schoppen, their head of engineering who confirmed it. In fact, they can even provide LSM launches on the prefabs
I don't know, is that huge alpine coaster in Andorra also the tallest coaster in the world? (Is this the only coaster whose extent is clearly visible on a complete map of the country it is in?)
@@MattMcIrvin I don't think it counts for these records, but who really cares. I just want to know how long it takes to go up a 5577ft lift hill. Those Alpines have pretty slow lifts
Actually, The Beast will be breaking its own length record when it opens back up in May, after the retrack, and reprofiling of the first drop is done. So technically, the longest wooden coaster record is zero years old? Gravity Group is making it 2' longer with the steeper 1st drop, and easier pull out. I wonder if Gravity Group will be able to lay claim to this record now?
@Arrow Dynamics Inc. I mean... that last sentence was a joke. Honestly the whole comment was a joke, but technically the truth. It was actually a story on the local news.
@Arrow Dynamics Inc. We could REALLY split hairs by arguing whether Phantom's Revenge is an Arrow or a Morgan. Part of the track is still Arrow and the trains were modified from the original Arrow trains. I say Revenge is a Morgan but the original Phantom was an Arrow.
If Gemini were converted to a quasi mobius layout and they could figure out a way to add an additional 265' it could have the world's longest record while eliminating half of it's operating staff, > doubling the riders experience and eliminating the problem of only running one side on less busy days. I kind of can't believe they haven't done it already!
I think they did something like that once on Montaña Rusa at that park in Mexico that had Quimera. I think it was like a VIP type thing they did once. Shame that ride got torn down, I would've loved to have ridden it. Might’ve been the king of racing woodies, and was one of the last wooden coasters to have the overall height record. American Eagle was the last, with the largest drop in the world.
@@cancercentral9997 I think that operated like Kennywood's Racer, where you only ride half the total track length, though. Unless you're telling me, at some point, they loaded one station and just let it run through the second station and returned to the first station. To me, this only works when there are at least 3 trains so they can time the dispatches to keep the it a racing coaster. I'm not sure how many Montaña Rusa had?
@@falloutfan6649 I’ve broken every record at least 50 each in planet coaster, and still made a bunch of them good rides. That’s what 700 hours in that game will do.
People never really seem to mention that Montana Rusa in Mexico was around 8,000 feet long if you count both sides together (it was a mobius loop rollercoaster, so it was all one track). So in reality, The Beast never did actually hold the record for longest wood coaster until after Montana Rusa closed in 2019.
@@AirtimeThrills it is cheap however it's still one "continuous loop" . the argument could be made that even though it's a Mobius and yes it's dual lift hills it's still one continuous loop.... Gray area central
@@thoosieville994 of course, but you have to remember that above all else, audience/parkgoer perception is paramount in the amusement industry. The average person may well make the association that a bunch of inversions = unsafe due to the accident. Parks know that the number of inversions has nothing to do with safety, but they may still be averse to breaking the record due to the potential for the ride being a flop because of audience fears.
I still think we might once again see a 200-plus foot wooden coaster. I think enough time has passed since Son of Beast that someone will try it again. And I wouldn’t be shocked to see it in China especially since GCI and gravity group have done work there. And over there Son of Beast and all its problems are probably not very well known.
I think covid and the trade war will limit Chinese wood coasters in the near future. I expect more safe, small, and domestic Chinese wood coasters. But overall, I expect less wood there period. Wood coasters are more favored in America than Europe or Asia. And with more steel Chinese coaster (knock off) companies in the wild now, I expect more preference for there coasters in the near future.
I have a video idea. Don’t know where else to post it. You should do a head-to-head style comparison between the two coaster capitals of the world (CP vs SFMM). I know it is general consensus that overall CP is better, but if you paired off the coasters with their similar counterparts (Mantis vs Riddler, Twisted Colossus vs Steel Revenge, Scream vs Rougarou, etc) it might be interesting where the points line up. Great channel!
Great videos. You make some great content. I don't agree with your wooden coaster theory though. I think we will again someday see wooden roller coaster records be set.
Honestly I wouldn't mind The Smiler's inversion record being broken but it is one of the few good thrill rides we have here in England because you Americans love your thrill rides while we love theming. xD
No there's quite a lot of good Thrill rides here. There's just not as many parks here than in the US so it seems like there's more. We have rides like smiler, wicker man, nemesis, nemesis inferno, collosus, swarm, saw, stealth, oblivion, project exodus (not out yet but still)
My opinion for the likelihood of each record being broken, from most likely to least likely: Wood: Inversions, Angle, Drop (terrain-assisted if it happens), Speed, Length, Height Steel: Angle, Inversions, Drop, Speed, Height, Length
When gg was at kings island, I was able to ask them if they have ever seen plans for a longer coaster than the beast and they did, so don’t discredit the beast getting beat (sadly) all they need is a park that wants it.
The reason why the beast will stay the longest wooden roller coaster is because everyone else is too scared to even attempt it. No one wants to take that record away from the beast, it’s too legendary of a coaster.
My favorite has to be when Mount Olympus claimed that Hades 360 was the first ever upside down wooden roller coaster, when Son of Beast had just been demolished (albeit without its loop) the year prior. That “longest steel coaster in the park” thing is hilarious though.
183.8 feet seems like a weird number because it's actually 56 meters. El Toro is 55 meters high. I imagine that Intamin wanted to beat El Toro's height when building T Express, so they increased the height by 1 meter. It seems like RMC matched the height of the existing tallest wooden coaster, and used the measurement of 56 meters.
I think inversion is the easiest but also steepest drop. That seems pretty accessible and doesn’t necessarily come with a massive price tag. Longest, I don’t think we might see ever maybe some kind of coaster in China or maybe Energylandia who knows.
I never heard of the Big Dipper at Fairmont park, that sounds awesome! There are many record breakers between the me mid 20s and the 60s that got demolished before Thunderboldt regained the drop record it had in 1924 of 90'. Also: The Beast has 2 lift hills but The Son of Beast had only one. Now the longest wooden coaster w 1 lift hill is The Voyage. They will make a wooden roller coaster with a bigger drop than 180'; I don't see why that's so hard, considering Goliath at SFGA was relatively cheap to build.
When you say "they" who will that be? I think RMC is done making woodies, Intamin likely is done making woodies, will the Gravity Group find a buyer for something topping 180 feet? It hasn't happened yet...
@@AirtimeThrills 1. Pre-fabs are still being offered to make 2. I totally see a mid-size park making a topper track woodie (Hersheypark, a small seaworld park, portaventura). 3. If neither of the former did that, I think gravity group’s would love the be the only one doing it with rmc and intamim “done”.
@@supremefan they’re hybrids tho IMO. However if we’re counting something steel vengeance as a hybrid then so is the ultimate: wood supports, steel track. The park themselves even says it’s a hybrid
"It took some extensive research, and by that I mean a few seconds". OMG I almost spilled my coffee this morning and that got a subscribe and like from me.
I could see Gravity group making a wooden hyper coaster. Son of Beast showed it could be done (and that was with KI picking up the sh$t RCCA left on their lawn). Gravity Group is an actual competent company, and one looking to show off the strength of their prefab track. They are will also more willing to accept roughness for cool designs (see Hades). The biggest issue is finding a buyer. After Son of Beast, most parks are cautious about a hyper wood coaster. CF would only do it if another park did it first. Six Flags is still hesitant about coasters over 15m. The SeaWorld parks rarely go for wood coasters (and the ones they do are rather safe designs). China might have been willing to do it, but post trade war and Covid, that because unlikely.
as a local to Alton Towers the reason the smiler is below 100ft is because Alton Towers has a tree limit so they can not build above the trees so they build down
IMO the speed record is just waiting to be snatched by someone looking for a gimmick, using the same "cheating" method that Formula Rosa used by having brakes immediately after the launch. Personally, I think mountain coasters should count. If it's a rollercoaster by definition, it's a rollercoaster by definition. Also, I think the era of wooden records may be coming to an end, kindof like how the Beatles's records aren't going to be broken, because people don't buy records anymore. Fun thought: What do you think is going to be the oldest running rollercoaster in 50, 100, 150 years??
@@AirtimeThrills They're like the ship of Theseus, or grandfather's axe where both the head and the handle have been replaced--they can live forever even though they may contain no splinter of wood from the original build.
Orion is the smallest (in height), shortest (in length), & slowest B&M Giga. Imo Cedar Fair kinda cut some corners (in almost every way possible) with the over all design/layout on Orion, because of this I believe the only stat available for it to truly break as a Giga is the longest steel coaster in the park 😬
They literally dropped 30 million dollars on a god damn 300 foot coaster. Go to Michigan’s adventure that’s gotten nothing in 20 years but a snoopy expansion and talk to me about cutting corners. It’s 6 feet shots than leviathan for gods sake.
According to roller coaster database the longest wooden coaster in the world prior to the Beast was a coaster at Guatemala City Fair at 5,800 feet (1953-57).
I was never a fan of the "steepest drop" record. Like you said, there are 180-degree drops out there, and I see no reason those "don't count". It feels so arbitrary
Ive definitely considered it especially with the way times have changed. Nobodys getting a 56 game hitting streak with elite relievers pouring out of the bullpen
Great video and I agree that most of the Wooden coaster records seem Untouchable. Length for a woodie will almost certainly never be beat, but I think there’s an outside shot of a coaster being built with Gravity Group’s new pre engineered track that could gun for the height, length, speed, drop, drop angle or maybe even inversions record. For steel coasters I think we see the height record fall either with Falcons Flight (which would break the drop, speed, and length records) and/or a Polar Coaster potentially in Dubai as I feel like that would be a place where a polar coaster would make sense. Drop angle should also be broken pretty soon by Gerstlauer. Inversions I think is pretty unlikely to be broken soon just because it would be pretty difficult to make a 15-inversion coaster layout that wouldn’t be too nauseating to the general public.
That polercoaster concept definitely seems like a Vegas thing. They could probably charge $20-$25 a ride and tourists there would pay it. Maybe hotel guests would get a discount and heavy gamblers get comped a free ticket.
The Smiler's inversion record is also a lot more creative than Colossus, since the Smiler, while it does repeat a few elements like a couple of dive loops, is much more varied than Colossus's loop, cobra roll, 2 corkscrews, and 5 barrel rolls (4 of which are back to back).
Maybe there could be a hybrid or RMC coaster with a vertical loop if the park and manufacturer take inspiration from Son Of Beast. The max steepest angle belongs to the Sounding roller coaster at Shundi Mausoleum Water Park with an angle of 135°.
Intamin Still Sells Prefabricated Wooden Coasters, but they are obviously expensive. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see one again. If we do see one, it’ll probably be at A park in China or Maybe Energylandia if they can get over their issues with Intamin. Depending on how much the park wants to invest it might break the height and speed record. Very unlikely the length record. Good video.
honestly dont think height or length will be broken, we see clearly that with a good theme you dont need to break these huge records to get ridership (EX: Hagrids) however i think energy landia is the only park that would even try for these
Would parks even want to break the speed record if possible? As with Formula Rossa, which makes you wear safety glasses, you start getting into issues with going that fast in the open air.
Wouldn't the "tallest coaster record" be held by the now Defunct High Roller that was on top of the Vegas Stratosphere Tower? You included the Orlando Coaster Concept so I'm curious where High Roller would stand record wise since the Strat tower is 900+ ft high
The major roller coaster that broke the record is Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. They reach over 400 feet in the sky and reach more faster like a motor jet! They have the same top hats with different endings and opening years!
I could potentially see a possible length record in a RMC American eagle, of course this wouldn't happen, but considering the two sides are 4000+ in length and if it was mobius it could probably end up around 7000+ and there isn't much you can cut out of the layout since its out and back once.
Let's give X2 the record for most demented coaster design. Like I know Eejanaika and Dinoconda came after and are even crazier, but X2 was the original design.
I think Rattler, Texas Giant, Mean Streak, and Son of Beast showed us what are the practical limits of "traditional" wooden coasters (i.e. non-RMC Topper Track). Even El Toro and T-Express are around 40 ft shorter than Son of Beast. I just don't think woodies can get much bigger than what Intamin has done. Even if Son of Beast had a different fate if Kings Island hadn't used RCCA, It's still the only 200+ ft woodie ever tried. An Intamin prefab would be the only possible way to get a wooden coaster up over 200 ft.
Only the Beast can beat the Beast I could see a major overhaul that added some elements and lengthened the track to retake and cement the wood coaster length record
I agree the wood coaster records will probably never be beaten. Unless the price of lumber starts to go down even further, no one will try to build woodies super tall or fast.
The Smilers record will be broken, I agree. However no park will be able to make it compact how the Smiler is, the vibe of it wont be the same. As well as the themeing for Smiler wont be topped
I've often wondered how much a human can take on a roller coaster. I'm not an engineer by far, but I know there are limits the body can take, especially black outs and red outs. I've been an ACE member for 25 years, and I cannot ride many coasters now because of my body and old sports injuries. I have to wear a a brace on my hips now to ride. I can't do rapid changes in direction and even was hurt on a coaster last year at my home park I've ridden 400 times! I thought I'd be able to ride until I died, but I'm 51!
The track is mostly wood with a steel topper track. Its thicker than most wooden coasters have but its still a wooden coaster. Other hybrids have the I box track which is completely steel
Topper track shouldn't count as wood track, imo. The actual rails that the wheels come in contact with are all steel. I don't see how that's much different than a mine train with wood supports. And yes I know wood track always had steel plates but they're only a small part of the rail by volume.
The topper track is definitely thicker than the normal steel plate on a GCI but its still on top of a stack of wood. Tough call but i respect them calling it a wood coaster. They certainly get rough like wooden coasters
I'm with you to a degree. If topper track used a little thicker steel the wood stack is pretty much theming. (like the wooden cross ties on Expedition Everest) Imo, a wood coaster runs steel wheels which would eliminate all the RMC topper track coasters except Outlaw Run. I know I'm not going to change the general consensus, so I simply refer to topper track, and prefab coasters as modern wood coasters vs. traditional wood coasters for everything built the traditional way with dimensional lumber. I wouldn't be surprised if parks pick up on that. (i.e. fastest traditional wood coaster or T-Express claiming to be the world's longest modern wood coaster) for marketing purposes.
I wonder why parks stopped stopped topping each other year after year. Profit, physics, demand? All 3? If one coaster beat all of the records that would be amazing. It would be nice if it was in the states. Maybe cedar point could build a coaster that starts at one end of the park and goes way out into the back of the parking lot. I would say out into Lake Erie but if it got stuck that would be hard to get people off of.
Honestly I always wanted to see a roller coaster the height of dragster and kingda ka that isn’t a launch coaster. Lol I know it sounds wild but yeah like the 420 ft range millennium force style coaster.
When Hershey builds their RMC Wildcat it'll be the longest, tallest, fastest, steepest hybrid coaster in a park named after chocolate! 🤣Take that M&M and Cadbury! This is an interesting topic. I'm not so sure parks are all that interested in records anymore because we're at a point that roller coasters can go beyond what the human body can take. The trend seems to be a focus on quality like VelociCoaster, Iron Gwazi and stuff like that. Even small rides like El Loco, Skyrocket 2, Hyper Gtx are pretty great. The highest? Maybe with a Polar Coaster? Fastest I doubt. Wooden coasters I think are at the limit of what wood track can take. I could see a traditional 400ft Strata but at what park? Who would be willing to spend that kind of money and have that kind of land?
I mean technically the longest wooden coaster record is being broken this year. I would love to see Cedar Point add a Polar Coaster if only to put an observation deck on the top. Kings Island can have the inversion record in Vortex 2 Electric Boogaloo
Great list! Intamin still sells their Woodies. I've interviewed Daniel Schoppen, their head of engineering who confirmed it. In fact, they can even provide LSM launches on the prefabs
Top ten parks I could see getting an LSM launched Intamin prefab
el toro with launch?
Imagine lsm prefrab 😳 yes please
Ask him to make another top thrill dragster for England 😂
That's sick
For Orion, they should’ve went with “world’s most controversial height.” That would’ve been a hard one to beat.
Superman Escape from Krypton comes to mind
@@JulianDale94 Winner!
Pretty sure Orion broke a record:
World's tallest break run!
I don't know, is that huge alpine coaster in Andorra also the tallest coaster in the world?
(Is this the only coaster whose extent is clearly visible on a complete map of the country it is in?)
@@MattMcIrvin I don't think it counts for these records, but who really cares. I just want to know how long it takes to go up a 5577ft lift hill. Those Alpines have pretty slow lifts
Kings island island retracked the beast this summer, including the drop, which actually made the ride two feet longer, so they beat their own record
Actually, The Beast will be breaking its own length record when it opens back up in May, after the retrack, and reprofiling of the first drop is done. So technically, the longest wooden coaster record is zero years old? Gravity Group is making it 2' longer with the steeper 1st drop, and easier pull out. I wonder if Gravity Group will be able to lay claim to this record now?
That's splitting hairs
Dang 2 whole feet longer. Game changer
@Arrow Dynamics Inc. I mean... that last sentence was a joke. Honestly the whole comment was a joke, but technically the truth. It was actually a story on the local news.
@Arrow Dynamics Inc. Won't be the tallest in the UK for much longer.
@Arrow Dynamics Inc. We could REALLY split hairs by arguing whether Phantom's Revenge is an Arrow or a Morgan. Part of the track is still Arrow and the trains were modified from the original Arrow trains. I say Revenge is a Morgan but the original Phantom was an Arrow.
Tallest fastest cowboy themed coaster in this section of the park!!?!!
If Gemini were converted to a quasi mobius layout and they could figure out a way to add an additional 265' it could have the world's longest record while eliminating half of it's operating staff, > doubling the riders experience and eliminating the problem of only running one side on less busy days. I kind of can't believe they haven't done it already!
That'd be an interesting twist on the coaster for sure
I think they did something like that once on Montaña Rusa at that park in Mexico that had Quimera. I think it was like a VIP type thing they did once.
Shame that ride got torn down, I would've loved to have ridden it. Might’ve been the king of racing woodies, and was one of the last wooden coasters to have the overall height record. American Eagle was the last, with the largest drop in the world.
@@cancercentral9997 I think that operated like Kennywood's Racer, where you only ride half the total track length, though. Unless you're telling me, at some point, they loaded one station and just let it run through the second station and returned to the first station. To me, this only works when there are at least 3 trains so they can time the dispatches to keep the it a racing coaster. I'm not sure how many Montaña Rusa had?
Watching from the UK. Keep up the great content Chirs 🎉
The one wood record I could see being broken is the inversion record. Somebody will go crazy and put 4 rolls or stalls eventually
I want to see a vertical loop on an RMC woodie.
@@Jason_Maier you can build it in Planet Coaster 😂
@@falloutfan6649 I’ve broken every record at least 50 each in planet coaster, and still made a bunch of them good rides. That’s what 700 hours in that game will do.
@@Jason_Maier Alan schilke doesn’t like vertical loops
I'd love to see coasters with more then 1 stall
People never really seem to mention that Montana Rusa in Mexico was around 8,000 feet long if you count both sides together (it was a mobius loop rollercoaster, so it was all one track). So in reality, The Beast never did actually hold the record for longest wood coaster until after Montana Rusa closed in 2019.
True, but that's kinda cheap
@@AirtimeThrills it is cheap however it's still one "continuous loop" . the argument could be made that even though it's a Mobius and yes it's dual lift hills it's still one continuous loop.... Gray area central
Everytime Airtime Thrills uploads, it's a good upload
When Six flags announces a new coaster: The tallest and fastest coaster with a lift hill and the color blue in the park!
like... What?
Tbh I'm a bit surprised no coaster has surpassed the Smiler. It seems like if a park wanted to, it would have been done by now.
Well the smiler is a overrated family ride so people don’t count it
As I’ve already said, I think the accident might be putting parks off.
@@katashworth41 The accident wasn't in any way related to the amount of inversions though.
@@thoosieville994 of course, but you have to remember that above all else, audience/parkgoer perception is paramount in the amusement industry. The average person may well make the association that a bunch of inversions = unsafe due to the accident. Parks know that the number of inversions has nothing to do with safety, but they may still be averse to breaking the record due to the potential for the ride being a flop because of audience fears.
Gosh darn geepee
Great video! Very interesting topic! I love Beasts length!
2:20 183.8 ft is pretty much ecactly 56 m, that's probably where the weird decimal point comes from
I still think we might once again see a 200-plus foot wooden coaster. I think enough time has passed since Son of Beast that someone will try it again. And I wouldn’t be shocked to see it in China especially since GCI and gravity group have done work there. And over there Son of Beast and all its problems are probably not very well known.
Agreeeeeee
The industry has seen so much innovation since SoB failed its very possible. That coaster was built by the wrong company at the wrong time.
I think covid and the trade war will limit Chinese wood coasters in the near future. I expect more safe, small, and domestic Chinese wood coasters. But overall, I expect less wood there period. Wood coasters are more favored in America than Europe or Asia. And with more steel Chinese coaster (knock off) companies in the wild now, I expect more preference for there coasters in the near future.
Still waiting on a giga with an inversion. Biggest drop on an inverting coaster as it stands is Hyperion (269 feet, has a dive loop).
I have a video idea. Don’t know where else to post it. You should do a head-to-head style comparison between the two coaster capitals of the world (CP vs SFMM). I know it is general consensus that overall CP is better, but if you paired off the coasters with their similar counterparts (Mantis vs Riddler, Twisted Colossus vs Steel Revenge, Scream vs Rougarou, etc) it might be interesting where the points line up. Great channel!
Woops, you have legitimately already done this exact thing with MM and KI. You should keep doing it though! Great video!
Great Video Airtime thrills ! I love all roller coasters I can't wait to ride ArieForce one at Fun Spot Atlanta!
Great videos. You make some great content. I don't agree with your wooden coaster theory though. I think we will again someday see wooden roller coaster records be set.
Honestly I wouldn't mind The Smiler's inversion record being broken but it is one of the few good thrill rides we have here in England because you Americans love your thrill rides while we love theming. xD
No there's quite a lot of good Thrill rides here. There's just not as many parks here than in the US so it seems like there's more. We have rides like smiler, wicker man, nemesis, nemesis inferno, collosus, swarm, saw, stealth, oblivion, project exodus (not out yet but still)
All we need is a billionaire coaster enthusiast
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My opinion for the likelihood of each record being broken, from most likely to least likely:
Wood: Inversions, Angle, Drop (terrain-assisted if it happens), Speed, Length, Height
Steel: Angle, Inversions, Drop, Speed, Height, Length
When gg was at kings island, I was able to ask them if they have ever seen plans for a longer coaster than the beast and they did, so don’t discredit the beast getting beat (sadly) all they need is a park that wants it.
The reason why the beast will stay the longest wooden roller coaster is because everyone else is too scared to even attempt it. No one wants to take that record away from the beast, it’s too legendary of a coaster.
The only park would be KI and only after the 50th anniversary of the Beast.
From the future... Red force broke Kingda ka's record 9:00
No it didn’t what’re you talking about😭 red force is not even 400ft you should be mentioning falcons flight opening
My favorite has to be when Mount Olympus claimed that Hades 360 was the first ever upside down wooden roller coaster, when Son of Beast had just been demolished (albeit without its loop) the year prior. That “longest steel coaster in the park” thing is hilarious though.
10:01 Bit late to the party, but I just wanted to point out that the Ultimate is also the only coaster in the UK to be built by British Rail.
You suggested an rmc single rail up as the possible 500 feet high record breaker. I thought i heard they had pretty much given up on the
Falcons flight just destroying all these records
183.8 feet seems like a weird number because it's actually 56 meters. El Toro is 55 meters high. I imagine that Intamin wanted to beat El Toro's height when building T Express, so they increased the height by 1 meter. It seems like RMC matched the height of the existing tallest wooden coaster, and used the measurement of 56 meters.
I think inversion is the easiest but also steepest drop. That seems pretty accessible and doesn’t necessarily come with a massive price tag. Longest, I don’t think we might see ever maybe some kind of coaster in China or maybe Energylandia who knows.
Coaster records in 50 years: the tallest indoor fully themed multi launch pink kiddie coaster in the midwest!
I never heard of the Big Dipper at Fairmont park, that sounds awesome! There are many record breakers between the me mid 20s and the 60s that got demolished before Thunderboldt regained the drop record it had in 1924 of 90'. Also: The Beast has 2 lift hills but The Son of Beast had only one. Now the longest wooden coaster w 1 lift hill is The Voyage. They will make a wooden roller coaster with a bigger drop than 180'; I don't see why that's so hard, considering Goliath at SFGA was relatively cheap to build.
When you say "they" who will that be? I think RMC is done making woodies, Intamin likely is done making woodies, will the Gravity Group find a buyer for something topping 180 feet? It hasn't happened yet...
@@AirtimeThrills 1. Pre-fabs are still being offered to make 2. I totally see a mid-size park making a topper track woodie (Hersheypark, a small seaworld park, portaventura). 3. If neither of the former did that, I think gravity group’s would love the be the only one doing it with rmc and intamim “done”.
1:43
Lightning Rod - I've won, but at what cost
6:58 The Smiler *smashed* the 11-year-old record
I see what you did there :)
Clever!
I love roller coasters and you make them funner bro thx!!!
[4:24] Goliath at SFGAm taking several records here! LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!
Chris! The ultimate is a hybrid coaster not just steel, the supports are completely wooden
Supports can be steel and the ride can still be a woodie, look at Indiana beach, every one of their woodies is supported by steel at some part.
@@supremefan they’re hybrids tho IMO. However if we’re counting something steel vengeance as a hybrid then so is the ultimate: wood supports, steel track. The park themselves even says it’s a hybrid
@Victoria G no they’re considered for the hybrid record
What about Tarons record of the most points where the track goes around itself77
"It took some extensive research, and by that I mean a few seconds". OMG I almost spilled my coffee this morning and that got a subscribe and like from me.
I could see Gravity group making a wooden hyper coaster. Son of Beast showed it could be done (and that was with KI picking up the sh$t RCCA left on their lawn).
Gravity Group is an actual competent company, and one looking to show off the strength of their prefab track. They are will also more willing to accept roughness for cool designs (see Hades).
The biggest issue is finding a buyer. After Son of Beast, most parks are cautious about a hyper wood coaster. CF would only do it if another park did it first. Six Flags is still hesitant about coasters over 15m. The SeaWorld parks rarely go for wood coasters (and the ones they do are rather safe designs). China might have been willing to do it, but post trade war and Covid, that because unlikely.
It just seems parks would shy away from the maintenance involved from a hyper woodie. Not really worth the upkeep
as a local to Alton Towers the reason the smiler is below 100ft is because Alton Towers has a tree limit so they can not build above the trees so they build down
IMO the speed record is just waiting to be snatched by someone looking for a gimmick, using the same "cheating" method that Formula Rosa used by having brakes immediately after the launch.
Personally, I think mountain coasters should count. If it's a rollercoaster by definition, it's a rollercoaster by definition.
Also, I think the era of wooden records may be coming to an end, kindof like how the Beatles's records aren't going to be broken, because people don't buy records anymore.
Fun thought: What do you think is going to be the oldest running rollercoaster in 50, 100, 150 years??
I dont see any reason why coasters like jackrabbit or roller coaster at lagoon shouldnt still be open for the long term
@@AirtimeThrills They're like the ship of Theseus, or grandfather's axe where both the head and the handle have been replaced--they can live forever even though they may contain no splinter of wood from the original build.
Plausible, as fluid shaping isn't just a wooden coaster thing anymore
“The longest coaster in the park”…. Did I ever tell you I have the biggest house on my property!??!?!?!
Orion is the smallest (in height), shortest (in length), & slowest B&M Giga.
Imo Cedar Fair kinda cut some corners (in almost every way possible) with the over all design/layout on Orion, because of this I believe the only stat available for it to truly break as a Giga is the longest steel coaster in the park 😬
saddens me Orion could've had so much more potential that went to waste.
They literally dropped 30 million dollars on a god damn 300 foot coaster. Go to Michigan’s adventure that’s gotten nothing in 20 years but a snoopy expansion and talk to me about cutting corners. It’s 6 feet shots than leviathan for gods sake.
@@JJJJ-he8bz even Michigan's adventure got more budget than my home's entertainment setup, so?
Cedar point builds a 15 inversion coaster, I'm heading back there for sure. I guarantee 1 additional coaster that year. Smiler is on my bucket list.
I would love to ride any version of a polercoaster! But than themed to a tree, a mushroom or even a building!
Falcons flight is basically finished i cant see anything beating the smiler any time soon
According to roller coaster database the longest wooden coaster in the world prior to the Beast was a coaster at Guatemala City Fair at 5,800 feet (1953-57).
Breakable but theme parks don't want to spend too break them now
I was never a fan of the "steepest drop" record. Like you said, there are 180-degree drops out there, and I see no reason those "don't count". It feels so arbitrary
laughs in my planet coaster intamin multi launch coaster that breaks every multi launch record as well as longest coaster by almost 1000 feet.
You could do this same video on Home Run Productions.
Most unbreakable baseball records is absolutely a great topic
Ive definitely considered it especially with the way times have changed. Nobodys getting a 56 game hitting streak with elite relievers pouring out of the bullpen
@@AirtimeThrills Wins isnt going anywhere either with guys going 4 inning starts these days.
Great video!!!!
This is an awesome video idea
Great upload
I went on tobotronc 3 times back in 2019 definitely recommend it was unreal!
Great video and I agree that most of the Wooden coaster records seem
Untouchable. Length for a woodie will almost certainly never be beat, but I think there’s an outside shot of a coaster being built with Gravity Group’s new pre engineered track that could gun for the height, length, speed, drop, drop angle or maybe even inversions record.
For steel coasters I think we see the height record fall either with Falcons Flight (which would break the drop, speed, and length records) and/or a Polar Coaster potentially in Dubai as I feel like that would be a place where a polar coaster would make sense. Drop angle should also be broken pretty soon by Gerstlauer. Inversions I think is pretty unlikely to be broken soon just because it would be pretty difficult to make a 15-inversion coaster layout that wouldn’t be too nauseating to the general public.
Really interested in that GG prefab track
That polercoaster concept definitely seems like a Vegas thing. They could probably charge $20-$25 a ride and tourists there would pay it. Maybe hotel guests would get a discount and heavy gamblers get comped a free ticket.
The Smiler's inversion record is also a lot more creative than Colossus, since the Smiler, while it does repeat a few elements like a couple of dive loops, is much more varied than Colossus's loop, cobra roll, 2 corkscrews, and 5 barrel rolls (4 of which are back to back).
Ooh another interesting video!
The intamin traditional woodies are underrated including American eagle
Good video!
Maybe there could be a hybrid or RMC coaster with a vertical loop if the park and manufacturer take inspiration from Son Of Beast.
The max steepest angle belongs to the Sounding roller coaster at Shundi Mausoleum Water Park with an angle of 135°.
Waiting to hear about the beast
Intamin Still Sells Prefabricated Wooden Coasters, but they are obviously expensive. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see one again. If we do see one, it’ll probably be at A park in China or Maybe Energylandia if they can get over their issues with Intamin. Depending on how much the park wants to invest it might break the height and speed record. Very unlikely the length record. Good video.
1:45 nice
Great video
hey chris good vid, do this but by the numbers
when are u doing a buy or sell again its my fav series from u
honestly dont think height or length will be broken, we see clearly that with a good theme you dont need to break these huge records to get ridership (EX: Hagrids) however i think energy landia is the only park that would even try for these
I feel like Fuji Q Highland would try break a record, they have done it many times in the past
The longest rollercoaster that inverts is surprisingly a Disney coaster: incredicoaster
The newest record should be world's longest wooden coaster.
Beast beat its own record a few weeks back by two feet
Would parks even want to break the speed record if possible? As with Formula Rossa, which makes you wear safety glasses, you start getting into issues with going that fast in the open air.
It seems Intamin put that out of reach. That's a lot of power and yeah, at a certain speed it poses danger to your eyes
Wouldn't the "tallest coaster record" be held by the now Defunct High Roller that was on top of the Vegas Stratosphere Tower? You included the Orlando Coaster Concept so I'm curious where High Roller would stand record wise since the Strat tower is 900+ ft high
Well in theory, Intamin will be building the Fastest, Tallest and longest roller coaster at Six Flags Qiddiya in 2023-24
fury lives another year as knotts giga plans was scrapped
The major roller coaster that broke the record is Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. They reach over 400 feet in the sky and reach more faster like a motor jet! They have the same top hats with different endings and opening years!
Ah, this was more about finance and trends side of the records. I'm wonder what sort of physical limits there might be to drop height and speed.
I could potentially see a possible length record in a RMC American eagle, of course this wouldn't happen, but considering the two sides are 4000+ in length and if it was mobius it could probably end up around 7000+ and there isn't much you can cut out of the layout since its out and back once.
Intamin: So which record do you want to break?
Qiddiya: Yes.
LOL, reminds me of support convo's with overseas support.
Let's give X2 the record for most demented coaster design. Like I know Eejanaika and Dinoconda came after and are even crazier, but X2 was the original design.
I think Rattler, Texas Giant, Mean Streak, and Son of Beast showed us what are the practical limits of "traditional" wooden coasters (i.e. non-RMC Topper Track). Even El Toro and T-Express are around 40 ft shorter than Son of Beast. I just don't think woodies can get much bigger than what Intamin has done. Even if Son of Beast had a different fate if Kings Island hadn't used RCCA, It's still the only 200+ ft woodie ever tried. An Intamin prefab would be the only possible way to get a wooden coaster up over 200 ft.
Only the Beast can beat the Beast I could see a major overhaul that added some elements and lengthened the track to retake and cement the wood coaster length record
I agree the wood coaster records will probably never be beaten. Unless the price of lumber starts to go down even further, no one will try to build woodies super tall or fast.
The Smilers record will be broken, I agree. However no park will be able to make it compact how the Smiler is, the vibe of it wont be the same. As well as the themeing for Smiler wont be topped
Due to where lightning rod is located technically it is over 200ft now it’s not wood but when it was it was the worlds tallest wood coaster
Yeah that was a real technicality with the terrain
And adding hill use like that Tatsu would become the second-tallest looping coaster in the world at 263 feet.
I've often wondered how much a human can take on a roller coaster. I'm not an engineer by far, but I know there are limits the body can take, especially black outs and red outs. I've been an ACE member for 25 years, and I cannot ride many coasters now because of my body and old sports injuries. I have to wear a a brace on my hips now to ride. I can't do rapid changes in direction and even was hurt on a coaster last year at my home park I've ridden 400 times! I thought I'd be able to ride until I died, but I'm 51!
Can someone explain what makes Goliath wood when it looks like other steel hybrids
The track is mostly wood with a steel topper track. Its thicker than most wooden coasters have but its still a wooden coaster. Other hybrids have the I box track which is completely steel
Beast will never be beaten!
While not super likely, I think GG could pull off a 4 inversion layout if asked to design it…
Chris: Gerschlaur owns the steepest record
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Nice video
Topper track shouldn't count as wood track, imo. The actual rails that the wheels come in contact with are all steel. I don't see how that's much different than a mine train with wood supports. And yes I know wood track always had steel plates but they're only a small part of the rail by volume.
The topper track is definitely thicker than the normal steel plate on a GCI but its still on top of a stack of wood. Tough call but i respect them calling it a wood coaster. They certainly get rough like wooden coasters
I'm with you to a degree. If topper track used a little thicker steel the wood stack is pretty much theming. (like the wooden cross ties on Expedition Everest) Imo, a wood coaster runs steel wheels which would eliminate all the RMC topper track coasters except Outlaw Run. I know I'm not going to change the general consensus, so I simply refer to topper track, and prefab coasters as modern wood coasters vs. traditional wood coasters for everything built the traditional way with dimensional lumber. I wouldn't be surprised if parks pick up on that. (i.e. fastest traditional wood coaster or T-Express claiming to be the world's longest modern wood coaster) for marketing purposes.
I wonder why parks stopped stopped topping each other year after year. Profit, physics, demand? All 3? If one coaster beat all of the records that would be amazing. It would be nice if it was in the states. Maybe cedar point could build a coaster that starts at one end of the park and goes way out into the back of the parking lot. I would say out into Lake Erie but if it got stuck that would be hard to get people off of.
Honestly I always wanted to see a roller coaster the height of dragster and kingda ka that isn’t a launch coaster. Lol I know it sounds wild but yeah like the 420 ft range millennium force style coaster.
When Hershey builds their RMC Wildcat it'll be the longest, tallest, fastest, steepest hybrid coaster in a park named after chocolate! 🤣Take that M&M and Cadbury! This is an interesting topic. I'm not so sure parks are all that interested in records anymore because we're at a point that roller coasters can go beyond what the human body can take. The trend seems to be a focus on quality like VelociCoaster, Iron Gwazi and stuff like that. Even small rides like El Loco, Skyrocket 2, Hyper Gtx are pretty great. The highest? Maybe with a Polar Coaster? Fastest I doubt. Wooden coasters I think are at the limit of what wood track can take. I could see a traditional 400ft Strata but at what park? Who would be willing to spend that kind of money and have that kind of land?
I mean technically the longest wooden coaster record is being broken this year.
I would love to see Cedar Point add a Polar Coaster if only to put an observation deck on the top. Kings Island can have the inversion record in Vortex 2 Electric Boogaloo
I've been on T express, can confirm it is very tall
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