The only thing that’s kept me from getting one… I’ve heard paper filters can trap moisture in the system which could potentially be the most damaging. This is part of the argument against the stainless steel fine filters. On my 690, kept one paper and one stainless filter just to be on the safe side. I live in a humid environment and we also ride in huge temp swings, so this is on my mind. I like the idea of being able to clean the magnet between rides etc.. especially because they reportedly do a great job at fine non-ferrous particles and I’m a clutch banger/slipper.
Am I missing something or would this not eliminate ability that the paper media filter provides in filtering out non magnetic and paramagnetic metals from the oil as well as dirt and other debris?
Jeez... OK, bought one and doing to install it before I get any miles on the Brand New 2022 350 EXC-F.. and a bunch of other stuff... lol. Hope it get here soon as I am patiently waiting to get some riding in..lol... Still have my 2013 250 XCF-W
I've been eagerly waiting these to arrive. After reading the materials provided while I was waiting and given the fact that Mike wouldn't steer me wrong I ordered one minutes after it went up on your site again. Cost cant be compared to a number of paper filters as you must also take into account the reduced frequency of wear part replacements, longer oil change intervals and less overall engine wear that would cost money over time. Added bonus is the Taco Moto logo instead of the AKT one - that'll be good for at least 5 more horsepower!
Now it's just a matter of time until the magnetic air filter will be seen on the market 😀. Thanks Mike for hunting innovative products. I#m sold on the oil filter for my Husky.
This is making oil changes super simple. Messing with the oil filter was my least favorite part of the job, now it takes less than a minute and a paper towel. I think I may have boogered a seal up, though. I’m getting the slightest leakage from around the base of the outer adapter. Do you sell spare o-rings for this?
Good god. $200+ … that’s like 25-28 regular filters… that’ll take me around 6 years to even up… (. Awesome little device but… gat’dang…. One helluva splurge :) I always try to justify my splurges for my baby… but gat’dang.
Better filtration, better engine durability, better particle capture ratio, no clogging, no water saturation and plugging, no cold start up flow reduction. We’re not comparing apples to apples here when comparing this to an old tech paper filter
@@TACOMOTOCO just saying. That’s worth nearly 30 paper filters that millions of us have used for decades..totaling billions of hours, collectively. I’m sure it works.. but dare I say.. getting into Mr. Baldy territory with the hyperbole sounding “must have the best mother of Oil device”, …bike won’t work without it…price of a left nut (or number 10 socket… where’d I put it?!) bling. I’m sure it works as advertised… I’ll end up ordering one next time I buy a new bike (my bikes last 6 years).. lower price point woulda helped so many more… this is elite :)
If you own a KTM, Husky or GASGAS you’ve already self selected as an elite. Better products w better performance always come at a price premium. Have you compared the price of a baja designs XL80 light unit to a replacement 60 watt incandescent bulb lately. The argument you make would say that millions are using the ‘good ol’ bulb and have been plenty happy with them, a light is a light is a light right? Why spend the money on that fancy one, hardly seems like it’s worth it, what could I possibly get from it that I’m not already getting from my bulb? If you’ve ever used these two lights side by side or looked at light output test data the differences become shockingly clear.
@@TACOMOTOCO Agreed. For *only* weekend riding the paper filter is appealing for most, it has worked for a long long time.. but for those of us planning to take the bike far off the grid and for a long time, well, I don't want to worry about where I'm gonna get a filter from... this thing makes sense.
You used to sell another product that did the same thing. I bought one. Is this the same with your label on it, or should I have waited? I see you took the other off your website. STK? Something like that.
So this doesn't filter in the traditional sense? I'm sure you've field tested this at length, any data or results you can share on the efficiency of this type of set-up? I'm intrigued...
I don't see a comparison of the oil from an engine running a paper filter compared to this magnetic filter. Sure, some non magnetic stuff gets trapped in the ferrous metal, but how much of it does? This is especially worrisome in bikes with shared clutch/engine oil. Without an oil composition comparison, I'm calling SNAKE OIL.
The product info focuses heavily, if not exclusively, on small particles, but what about large particles? How long does a large non-ferrous particle stay cycling in the system before it can attract enough ferrous material, through static charge, to be able to overcome the high-flow over the magnet and stick to it? I also noticed that OEI makes a 95+% efficiency claim for ferrous materials, but makes no efficiency claims for non-ferrous, your product info claims 95+% for non-ferrous material. Question therefore is what implementation difference is there to justify that claim? If you look at OEI’s ‘Bear Trap’ product, which in essence is just the old ‘slap a magnet onto the existing oil filter’, they still have the same claims as the ‘core technology’. It also appears to be OEI’s automotive product; they don’t make a magnet only solution for oil filtration (ignoring their magnetic drain plug which we already have), it’s combined physical and magnetic filtration.
I can't comment too much on some of the claims however the large particles I thought on ktmhuskys are picked up by the lower screen/ and magnet. they can't even make it up to the filter?
@@kyushalimit5931 I can’t find any micron rating for the screen filter, but there are a number of factors that would lead me to believe that it’s not a particularly fine mesh (e.g. can see the holes, low surface area, clogging potential, flow rate construction). However yes, you are correct that the screen filter would catch the largest of particles, but this still leaves a range between what the screen filter and the paper filter currently handles. So, my question still stands, how long does a particle, let’s call it ‘medium sized’, cycle around the system before enough ferrous material is a) eroded from the system to contaminate the oil b) not directly bound to the magnet c) is statically bound to the particle in high enough quantity so that it can be captured by the magnet and not dislodged due to the high-flow?
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The only thing that’s kept me from getting one… I’ve heard paper filters can trap moisture in the system which could potentially be the most damaging. This is part of the argument against the stainless steel fine filters. On my 690, kept one paper and one stainless filter just to be on the safe side.
I live in a humid environment and we also ride in huge temp swings, so this is on my mind. I like the idea of being able to clean the magnet between rides etc.. especially because they reportedly do a great job at fine non-ferrous particles and I’m a clutch banger/slipper.
Am I missing something or would this not eliminate ability that the paper media filter provides in filtering out non magnetic and paramagnetic metals from the oil as well as dirt and other debris?
See the product link for all info and specs
Happy to see it comes in blue. It will look sleek on my Husqvarna. I have a white and blue theme going on.
Jeez... OK, bought one and doing to install it before I get any miles on the Brand New 2022 350 EXC-F.. and a bunch of other stuff... lol. Hope it get here soon as I am patiently waiting to get some riding in..lol... Still have my 2013 250 XCF-W
I've been eagerly waiting these to arrive. After reading the materials provided while I was waiting and given the fact that Mike wouldn't steer me wrong I ordered one minutes after it went up on your site again. Cost cant be compared to a number of paper filters as you must also take into account the reduced frequency of wear part replacements, longer oil change intervals and less overall engine wear that would cost money over time. Added bonus is the Taco Moto logo instead of the AKT one - that'll be good for at least 5 more horsepower!
5-6HP all day long!
Me likey! Spendy, but great for multi-day, BRR-type rides. Just unscrew and wipe down instead of carrying paper filters.
Oh cool, you guys have these now too. Headed to the site to check it out.
Now it's just a matter of time until the magnetic air filter will be seen on the market 😀. Thanks Mike for hunting innovative products. I#m sold on the oil filter for my Husky.
Wouldn’t that be something!
Looks good! Maybe consider adding a small hole to lockwire the cap closed.
Sooooo slickety slick!! 😁🤟
This is making oil changes super simple. Messing with the oil filter was my least favorite part of the job, now it takes less than a minute and a paper towel.
I think I may have boogered a seal up, though. I’m getting the slightest leakage from around the base of the outer adapter.
Do you sell spare o-rings for this?
Info@tacomoto.co for a replacement
How does it trap non magnetic particles like alloy savings?
See product link for all information specs and details
My ‘16 500exc asked me to check in with you on when it’ll be available 😀
15 ktm 450 exc-f checking in also 👍
Good god. $200+ … that’s like 25-28 regular filters… that’ll take me around 6 years to even up… (. Awesome little device but… gat’dang…. One helluva splurge :) I always try to justify my splurges for my baby… but gat’dang.
Better filtration, better engine durability, better particle capture ratio, no clogging, no water saturation and plugging, no cold start up flow reduction. We’re not comparing apples to apples here when comparing this to an old tech paper filter
@@TACOMOTOCO just saying. That’s worth nearly 30 paper filters that millions of us have used for decades..totaling billions of hours, collectively. I’m sure it works.. but dare I say.. getting into Mr. Baldy territory with the hyperbole sounding “must have the best mother of Oil device”, …bike won’t work without it…price of a left nut (or number 10 socket… where’d I put it?!) bling. I’m sure it works as advertised… I’ll end up ordering one next time I buy a new bike (my bikes last 6 years).. lower price point woulda helped so many more… this is elite :)
If you own a KTM, Husky or GASGAS you’ve already self selected as an elite.
Better products w better performance always come at a price premium.
Have you compared the price of a baja designs XL80 light unit to a replacement 60 watt incandescent bulb lately.
The argument you make would say that millions are using the ‘good ol’ bulb and have been plenty happy with them, a light is a light is a light right?
Why spend the money on that fancy one, hardly seems like it’s worth it, what could I possibly get from it that I’m not already getting from my bulb?
If you’ve ever used these two lights side by side or looked at light output test data the differences become shockingly clear.
@@TACOMOTOCO Agreed. For *only* weekend riding the paper filter is appealing for most, it has worked for a long long time.. but for those of us planning to take the bike far off the grid and for a long time, well, I don't want to worry about where I'm gonna get a filter from... this thing makes sense.
You mentioned “aligning” the sleeve but didn’t say how. Do the holes need to align to something inside the engine?
Mike I don’t see that the 2012 to 2016 (500 ktm) models are covered. Please tell me you’re going to make them for that model range as well?
Later this spring 👌🏽
@@TACOMOTOCO That's great news. This is a pricey part but something I'm interested in.
When will the 2016 model become available, Mike?
We’re working on that adapter now, we’ll do a video on that one once it’s released
@@TACOMOTOCO
Any update on the '16 EXC version?
How many hours do you run In between oil changes running this filter setup?
You used to sell another product that did the same thing. I bought one. Is this the same with your label on it, or should I have waited? I see you took the other off your website. STK? Something like that.
ATK
Same filter now manufactured and branded by us
@@TACOMOTOCO 👍
Do I have to change my oil when I install this?
will this fit a 2014 EXC 500?
Shut* up and take my money! Sweet!
I guess this would have been better if I could spell. Damn auto correct. 😩
So this doesn't filter in the traditional sense? I'm sure you've field tested this at length, any data or results you can share on the efficiency of this type of set-up? I'm intrigued...
See the product link for all info
I don't see a comparison of the oil from an engine running a paper filter compared to this magnetic filter. Sure, some non magnetic stuff gets trapped in the ferrous metal, but how much of it does? This is especially worrisome in bikes with shared clutch/engine oil. Without an oil composition comparison, I'm calling SNAKE OIL.
The product info focuses heavily, if not exclusively, on small particles, but what about large particles? How long does a large non-ferrous particle stay cycling in the system before it can attract enough ferrous material, through static charge, to be able to overcome the high-flow over the magnet and stick to it?
I also noticed that OEI makes a 95+% efficiency claim for ferrous materials, but makes no efficiency claims for non-ferrous, your product info claims 95+% for non-ferrous material. Question therefore is what implementation difference is there to justify that claim?
If you look at OEI’s ‘Bear Trap’ product, which in essence is just the old ‘slap a magnet onto the existing oil filter’, they still have the same claims as the ‘core technology’. It also appears to be OEI’s automotive product; they don’t make a magnet only solution for oil filtration (ignoring their magnetic drain plug which we already have), it’s combined physical and magnetic filtration.
I can't comment too much on some of the claims however the large particles I thought on ktmhuskys are picked up by the lower screen/ and magnet. they can't even make it up to the filter?
@@kyushalimit5931 I can’t find any micron rating for the screen filter, but there are a number of factors that would lead me to believe that it’s not a particularly fine mesh (e.g. can see the holes, low surface area, clogging potential, flow rate construction). However yes, you are correct that the screen filter would catch the largest of particles, but this still leaves a range between what the screen filter and the paper filter currently handles.
So, my question still stands, how long does a particle, let’s call it ‘medium sized’, cycle around the system before enough ferrous material is a) eroded from the system to contaminate the oil b) not directly bound to the magnet c) is statically bound to the particle in high enough quantity so that it can be captured by the magnet and not dislodged due to the high-flow?
Large chunks never make it past the pick up screen before the oil pump
Thats crazy wont trust that in my bike
snake oil
I’d probably agree with you if the third party oil analysis and testing didn’t show otherwise
it's been thoroughly tested in the industrial fleet sector for over 20 years, but don't let data get in the way of your lack of knowledge
snake oil FILTER sir! its a good filtration method used in other industries.