THANK YOU. I have had a bad taste in my mouth about all of these services ever since I heard about fiverr back when it started. I was like "haaangon people are going to want to pay me $5 for a design after I worked my ass off to get my graphic design degree? no thanks". And I feel like the whole thing just devalues design work and treats designers like machines.
As an anarchist, the moment you compared these sites to “little governments”, I felt that. And you are right on about it. I’m working on my Fiverr profile right now and my initial feeling is that the more I invest in this platform and others like it, the more I see my energy, love and passion being destroyed. Great video, thank you for your wisdom and perspective!
Yes I feel the same way. I'm working on my Fiverr account, and I'm not sure exactly how to set it up, but I noticed that others have and there are so many graphic design freelancers that I doubt I would ever get noticed. I do have my own graphic design website, but I have to add more content to it. After reading through everyone's pain points, I'm going to focus on continuing to brand my own business and work on getting clients and referrals.
Hey Lauren! Thank you for the lovely breakdown on these services. They always left a nasty aftertaste in my mouth. On a different note, let me ask you: Why do you and so many other creatives resort to teaching design on social medias, and less about sharing the design work you do in other areas of your life? It can feel discouraging to feel more "hustle" mindset entrepreneurs default to "edu" carousels instead of actually designing and sharing your work. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and even more so, I'd be willing to talk about this if you wanted to make it a segment! Thank you again!
Hello Siah! You know it's an interesting point you bring up. When I see other designers who are trying to get more design clients who are only creating content for other designers, that tells me they don't understand who their target audience is and where to find them and that their purpose is just to get likes on their posts. What I can tell you is that I have my design business running very well and I am actively working on designs daily for clients. I have the machine running without needing to post my creative designs all of the time because clients find me through podcasts I've been on, blogs and in communities from my target audience niche. On this channel, I like to sprinkle it with actual design projects I am working on so that you can get a flavor for what I do, but that is not my sole focus here, because I am not trying to attract design clients through this channel. I want to help designers become aware of the need for them to learn how to market and sell their services. For me, I struggled immensely to get design clients when I started my freelance business and I finally found what was working and tested it out for 4 years seeing I could create a very solid design business. I then got really excited and passionate about helping other designers to understand why they were struggling and give them guidance. That is why I have created my TH-cam channel and IG. Then my followers asked to go deeper with me, so I created a whole coaching program so I could help them out even further for those that want to.
Because I don’t have much experience in graphic design and illustrations I started on upwork. However 5 months later its really difficult to find clients and showing my portfolio. I rather build myself up. Thank you for the video! Can you do a video on your thoughts on pateron
You’re welcome and I am glad you’re going out on your own. I’m not actually familiar with using Patreon. What stage are you at in setting up your business?
Thanks for your video. It never made sense to me to get work by submitting a low ball bid. Maybe it works for freelancers who do simple thoughtless cookie cutter designs to use one of these platforms. For me, I don't believe any platform that pits designers against each other for the lowest bid could possibly be supportive of building the clientele I want to cultivate. You cannot build your business working for $3 an hour.
👏Exactly! I don’t like the competing aspect either. And that’s why I’m such an advocate of finding a niche because you remove 99% of the competitors and can instead appreciate each creative’s specialty 😊
Totally agree! These sites are horrible and have no respect on creatives, but yet here they are-teaching people that creatives are not worth it. Thanks for sharing and posting this information
Hey there! I've discovered your channel today and started watching your videos. I really like the content you create, your message is always accurate and precise. This video was no exception. The only thing I am not very fond of about the channel so far is the background music. It might be just me not being a fan of background music in the TH-cam videos but I don't generally mind them when they're barely heard. I found the music in your videos a bit too loud for my liking but maybe that's just me.
My first Upwork account was suspended after I have done about 3 different jobs that earned me $200. It is discouraging seeing my sweat being withheld by another man. With the help of your video, I am convinced is the best way to get things going.
Excellent review!!! These design platforms are about pleasing the clients and increasing their incomes by keeping the cost of design low. It attracts clients looking for cheap but excellent work. It could be a good way for a new designer to gain experience but only a lucky few can earn a living with them. I think it diminishes the value of design in general. Good review. Thank you.
I definitely agree but this gives you exposure, when I have more experience I'll start working on my own but for now raising the prices on fiverr gradually has worked a lot for me
this is what I was looking for! I don't want to work on these platforms for the same reasons. I even tried on one but it wasn't for me. But I don't know how to get clients as an independent beginner freelancer. I know that we have to send emails to find clients but I want to know the whole process like who should i reach out? how should i reach out? & then again how to make sure they approve my work proposal. Please do a video on it!! especially for a beginner freelancer. Thank you so much!
I like your content 😍 it's helpful and your way of expressing your ideas is really simple and nice 🌷 I agree with you on what you're sharing about these platforms 💕 thank you 💖
I will never touch any of these services. I actually find 99 Designs to be an unethical practice. Maybe that's just me, but getting free iterations out of often naive, young designers is disgusting.
I really liked all your videos.. can you please let us know good niches to start a graphic design profession.. as you are successful in ecom packaging design...
With Upwork you just to need to not work for cheap and not race others to the bottom on proposals. Also you need to be good at design/code and actually have an outstanding portfolio. People that don't do well are probably not that talented or are not charging enough. There are only two types of people racing others to the bottom on price, the not-so-talented ones and the ones just starting out.
hey 4 the creatives how are you ? I hope that you still know me I still learning about graphic design the video about not being a copycat and have your own vioce and it helped me a lot thank youu
All thanks to you for the creative. I've enjoy every single video you post they worth lots of value and I've learnt much from them. Please I will like you to help me with a link where I can dig more into graphic design and also earn a Certificate. Gracias 🙇🙇
You're right, _NONE_ of them are! ...Fiverr is at the bare minimum (usually like its namesake - $5), and a client has the potential to dispute the $5 after they get the artwork, and get their money refunded, at the expense of the creator, which is done often! ...With 99Designs, it's a crowdsourcing "contest", where only the best creation is accepted and the one that will pay... Thing is that the "contests" are often abandoned, thus giving a client many different types of free submissions that they can decide upon, and then send the desired one to their own graphic artist for duplication and finishing, and pay absolutely nothing for creation! ...Upwork (formerly ODesk) has a "low cost bid limit" of $50 for a creator in a fully developed country... Thing is that a creator in a developing country is protected by international law, and is exempt from bidding a $50 "low bid", and can bid even lower ($25, $10, or even $5), and usially get the project, AND the client on a permanent basis! The other two are strictly "galleries" where one MIGHT get noticed for a project (usually it works like 99Designs, giving clients all kinds creative content to send to their own designers for free) Order of the day for all of them is "Cheap", "Cheaper", and "Free"!
@@4TheCreatives - Correct! I've worked with all three ( _Upwork_ was still called _ODesk_ when I used it), and afterwards, I stopped freelancing altogether... I do digital artwork for an extremely small client base now, and even then the work is sporadic and not enough to live on...
@@4TheCreatives- I have a gallery I have been posting small versions of my works upon since 2006... Every now and then I get emails requesting custom digital art...
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Hello Creatives! Thank you for watching. Comment below your experiences with using these freelance design platforms.
THANK YOU. I have had a bad taste in my mouth about all of these services ever since I heard about fiverr back when it started. I was like "haaangon people are going to want to pay me $5 for a design after I worked my ass off to get my graphic design degree? no thanks". And I feel like the whole thing just devalues design work and treats designers like machines.
Yesss exactly! I feel the AIGA should regulate prices so as to not undervalue creatives.
FINALLY! Someone speaking without no gimmicks , just pure raw REVIEW.
I am sold :) It is better to build your own establishment :)
Wow thank you! Yes I’m on your side 😊
As an anarchist, the moment you compared these sites to “little governments”, I felt that.
And you are right on about it. I’m working on my Fiverr profile right now and my initial feeling is that the more I invest in this platform and others like it, the more I see my energy, love and passion being destroyed.
Great video, thank you for your wisdom and perspective!
Oh I’m so glad to help you see the light on these. And I don’t want your passion for creativity being destroyed!
Yes I feel the same way. I'm working on my Fiverr account, and I'm not sure exactly how to set it up, but I noticed that others have and there are so many graphic design freelancers that I doubt I would ever get noticed. I do have my own graphic design website, but I have to add more content to it. After reading through everyone's pain points, I'm going to focus on continuing to brand my own business and work on getting clients and referrals.
Quick, Straight To The Point, No Time Wasted Video. This is what I'm talking about. Great video..and thank you for the information.
Hey Lauren! Thank you for the lovely breakdown on these services. They always left a nasty aftertaste in my mouth.
On a different note, let me ask you: Why do you and so many other creatives resort to teaching design on social medias, and less about sharing the design work you do in other areas of your life? It can feel discouraging to feel more "hustle" mindset entrepreneurs default to "edu" carousels instead of actually designing and sharing your work. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and even more so, I'd be willing to talk about this if you wanted to make it a segment!
Thank you again!
Hello Siah! You know it's an interesting point you bring up.
When I see other designers who are trying to get more design clients who are only creating content for other designers, that tells me they don't understand who their target audience is and where to find them and that their purpose is just to get likes on their posts. What I can tell you is that I have my design business running very well and I am actively working on designs daily for clients. I have the machine running without needing to post my creative designs all of the time because clients find me through podcasts I've been on, blogs and in communities from my target audience niche. On this channel, I like to sprinkle it with actual design projects I am working on so that you can get a flavor for what I do, but that is not my sole focus here, because I am not trying to attract design clients through this channel. I want to help designers become aware of the need for them to learn how to market and sell their services.
For me, I struggled immensely to get design clients when I started my freelance business and I finally found what was working and tested it out for 4 years seeing I could create a very solid design business. I then got really excited and passionate about helping other designers to understand why they were struggling and give them guidance. That is why I have created my TH-cam channel and IG. Then my followers asked to go deeper with me, so I created a whole coaching program so I could help them out even further for those that want to.
Because I don’t have much experience in graphic design and illustrations I started on upwork. However 5 months later its really difficult to find clients and showing my portfolio.
I rather build myself up. Thank you for the video!
Can you do a video on your thoughts on pateron
You’re welcome and I am glad you’re going out on your own. I’m not actually familiar with using Patreon. What stage are you at in setting up your business?
Same here:) And good luck!!
Thanks for your video. It never made sense to me to get work by submitting a low ball bid. Maybe it works for freelancers who do simple thoughtless cookie cutter designs to use one of these platforms. For me, I don't believe any platform that pits designers against each other for the lowest bid could possibly be supportive of building the clientele I want to cultivate. You cannot build your business working for $3 an hour.
👏Exactly! I don’t like the competing aspect either. And that’s why I’m such an advocate of finding a niche because you remove 99% of the competitors and can instead appreciate each creative’s specialty 😊
Totally agree! These sites are horrible and have no respect on creatives, but yet here they are-teaching people that creatives are not worth it. Thanks for sharing and posting this information
that's very insightful info. and I agree everything you said. one must work on their own personal brand.
Hey there! I've discovered your channel today and started watching your videos. I really like the content you create, your message is always accurate and precise. This video was no exception. The only thing I am not very fond of about the channel so far is the background music. It might be just me not being a fan of background music in the TH-cam videos but I don't generally mind them when they're barely heard. I found the music in your videos a bit too loud for my liking but maybe that's just me.
I appreciate your feedback and will think with this for future videos. Thanks for watching my channel by the way 🙌
My first Upwork account was suspended after I have done about 3 different jobs that earned me $200. It is discouraging seeing my sweat being withheld by another man. With the help of your video, I am convinced is the best way to get things going.
My goodness I’m so sorry! But I’m so glad you will take the right steps moving forward.
Excellent review!!! These design platforms are about pleasing the clients and increasing their incomes by keeping the cost of design low. It attracts clients looking for cheap but excellent work. It could be a good way for a new designer to gain experience but only a lucky few can earn a living with them. I think it diminishes the value of design in general. Good review. Thank you.
Absolutely!
Thank you very much ♥ I expect like this one and found it. Your informations are very helpfull to me. Keep up your works.
I definitely agree but this gives you exposure, when I have more experience I'll start working on my own but for now raising the prices on fiverr gradually has worked a lot for me
If you found what works for you then that is what counts.
@@4TheCreatives true! great video!
this is what I was looking for! I don't want to work on these platforms for the same reasons. I even tried on one but it wasn't for me. But I don't know how to get clients as an independent beginner freelancer. I know that we have to send emails to find clients but I want to know the whole process like who should i reach out? how should i reach out? & then again how to make sure they approve my work proposal. Please do a video on it!! especially for a beginner freelancer. Thank you so much!
I like your content 😍 it's helpful and your way of expressing your ideas is really simple and nice 🌷 I agree with you on what you're sharing about these platforms 💕 thank you 💖
That’s so kind! Glad you agree and thank you for being here!
Thank you for making informative videos appreciate your efforts on us 🙏🏼🕊
You're my favorite person now! Thank you!
That's so kind!
100% agree , very thx
Thank you for all these wonderful guidance and content😊
10000% welcome!
@@4TheCreatives you are amazing, God bless you😊 and lots of love from India🇮🇳
Nice job keep dishing out interesting video
I will never touch any of these services. I actually find 99 Designs to be an unethical practice. Maybe that's just me, but getting free iterations out of often naive, young designers is disgusting.
I completely agree Michael! Glad you won’t touch them😊
That's why I use honeybook
What is this platform?
I really liked all your videos.. can you please let us know good niches to start a graphic design profession.. as you are successful in ecom packaging design...
Thank you and yes! I have gotten this request a lot recently so will do that soon.
With Upwork you just to need to not work for cheap and not race others to the bottom on proposals. Also you need to be good at design/code and actually have an outstanding portfolio. People that don't do well are probably not that talented or are not charging enough. There are only two types of people racing others to the bottom on price, the not-so-talented ones and the ones just starting out.
Well said. But the point is that anyone can create their own design business and make more that way than relying on another platform.
@@4TheCreatives getting clients is way too hard freelancing without upwork any tips? i post my work on instagram and i’m very good at it
@@mycrazylife408 who do you attract on Instagram? Have you figured out your ideal clients and where they look for designers to hire?
@@4TheCreatives music industry i do album covers mainly but it’s hard to get consistent clients do people do album cover art type work on upwork?
What are the best designs to make it you sell on upwork
hey 4 the creatives how are you ?
I hope that you still know me
I still learning about graphic design
the video about not being a copycat and have your own vioce and it helped me a lot thank youu
So glad it helped you
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All thanks to you for the creative. I've enjoy every single video you post they worth lots of value and I've learnt much from them. Please I will like you to help me with a link where I can dig more into graphic design and also earn a Certificate. Gracias 🙇🙇
Thank you so much for your kind words! Are you looking for a degree program or something more like a Skillshare course?
This is just so helpful
So glad to help!
Hey😃 I,m Tony Cato. You are the only honest and beautiful😍designer.you are my favorite designer really
Thanks very much
@@4TheCreatives Will you be my friend.pleaseeeeeeeeee😔😔😔😔
Hello, how do you find you clients without relying on this platform ?
Here’s a whole playlist I created on the subject: th-cam.com/play/PLdHyNrkiFQPrdUXudgCcQ3FCOb4nHzMjW.html
Can you let me know how to get client fast ??? What time need TO Professional logo ?????
Search in Facebook groups and network building relationships
So what’s the best app?
I prefer your own website!
I need a designer for a character.
I don't provide that service here.
Do you mean like a character in a show? Or like a self development thing?
Thank you. You are the only honest designer I've come across.
I appreciate that and yes I think it’s important to be straight with you to help you out.
You're right, _NONE_ of them are!
...Fiverr is at the bare minimum (usually like its namesake - $5), and a client has the potential to dispute the $5 after they get the artwork, and get their money refunded, at the expense of the creator, which is done often!
...With 99Designs, it's a crowdsourcing "contest", where only the best creation is accepted and the one that will pay... Thing is that the "contests" are often abandoned, thus giving a client many different types of free submissions that they can decide upon, and then send the desired one to their own graphic artist for duplication and finishing, and pay absolutely nothing for creation!
...Upwork (formerly ODesk) has a "low cost bid limit" of $50 for a creator in a fully developed country... Thing is that a creator in a developing country is protected by international law, and is exempt from bidding a $50 "low bid", and can bid even lower ($25, $10, or even $5), and usially get the project, AND the client on a permanent basis!
The other two are strictly "galleries" where one MIGHT get noticed for a project (usually it works like 99Designs, giving clients all kinds creative content to send to their own designers for free)
Order of the day for all of them is "Cheap", "Cheaper", and "Free"!
EXCELLENT breakdown of these sites!! 👏👏 Thank you so much!! It’s a very sad situation to have designers work so hard for nothing 😔
@@4TheCreatives - Correct! I've worked with all three ( _Upwork_ was still called _ODesk_ when I used it), and afterwards, I stopped freelancing altogether... I do digital artwork for an extremely small client base now, and even then the work is sporadic and not enough to live on...
Crazy! Where do you find your clients? Have you positioned yourself with a strong brand message?
@@4TheCreatives- I have a gallery I have been posting small versions of my works upon since 2006... Every now and then I get emails requesting custom digital art...
Amen
Should we send client contract when using these freelance sites,?
I don’t know you’re allowed to
@@4TheCreatives I know people can get on a call not sure about the contract, what if they say he never did the work?
This is why I say to avoid the platforms
@@4TheCreatives Avoid upwork?
I’m an advocate for having full control of your business outside of Upwork
Hi mam my self abhishek I have TH-cam channel where I take interviews mam I request you plz share your knowledge to my viewers
Thank You :)
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