Gamo Swarm Magnum .22 cal. VS Car Door! Will it perform better than the .177?
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I did a review with the Gen 3 .177 Swarm Magnum VS a Car Door a few months ago. Will the .22 Swarm Magnum out perform the .177?
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This is a good example of choosing based on the desired effect. I also own .22 and.177. I prefer the .22 because it expends all of it's energy on the target. The .177 makes a smaller hole and spends it's residual energy in the dirt behind the target. I want a bigger impact on target because I'm not shooting at anything behind the target. Great video. It's always fun shooting at something with enough metal to demonstrate the power of the rifle. Soda cans won't do that.
Sin embargo a más distancia tendrá más energía el 177, y para que el 177 tenga más energía solo se necesita un balón más pesado
Saya suka sekali senapan ini, dari negara mana senapan ini di produksi, dan bagai mana cara agar saya bisa memiliki nya, saya dari Indonesia, dan berapakah harga dari senapan GAMO tipe yang satu ini?.
The rocket ones are definitely good for hunting since the majority of the time the pellet transfers it’s energy into the copper bb
i love it, great video, thank you, this is the real world application testing we need.
Makes sense that in the same poweplant, the .177 will have better sectional density and penetrate better. That can be a plus or minus for hunting. On thick skulled critters one doesn't want a pellet to flatten out on whatevers skull and not get enough penetration. On the other hand one doesn't want a complete drill bit effect simply zipping through whatever it hits. That's why picking the right pellet that penetrates and expands and shoots accurately is important.
great vid!!!!!! this guy is great!!!!!!
@dironizareyes596 Thank you!!!
Really great to see your enthusiasm and honest, simple approach to airguns. I'm getting into Gamo just now after years of Air Arms and Steyr top tier airguns....and Hatsan too, because of videos like yours that prove that you don't need to spend a lot to...first of all, have fun...which is entirely the point!....but to have a great shooting experience and shoot accurate, powerful airguns. Got the .177 eyeballed at a local gun shop and just may have to return very soon to purchase it! All the best from Spain! ...the home of Gamo!! ....and you guys over in the US are bigger enthusiasts!!!! Hahaha!!
@simonspain6080 Thanks for watching and for the comment! Check out my air rifle playlist for a ton of other air rifle videos. And also all my other playlists. I’m much more into real guns and hunting than air rifles but lots of people seem to enjoy the air rifle stuff so I do plenty of that.
Hi! Will check it out… and as an avid Airgun fan for over 50 years .. Airguns ARE ‘real guns.. haha .. just not firearms of course! You guys can purchase Airguns putting out nearly a 1000 joules of energy where as here we are limited to 24 joules.. lol. It’s easy here to register a firearm than an Airgun.. we have SO much ignorance of guns here in Spain, which is odd as some of the best Airguns in the world are made in Europe. I have some Steyr and Air Arms FT rifles that cost over 3000 bucks .. lol… but they are masterpieces. Gamo is solid, basic old Skool Airgunning so it’s a nice change and challenge to shoot these types of Airguns. Thanks again and will check out your other stuff!!! 😊🙏🏻
@@simonspain6080 I prefer “real firearms” significantly more but I do have fun with pellet rifles. Just getting to shoot a few PCP air rifles and like them much more than break barrel.
@@HuntShootLive ...I LOVE all types of guns, and used to have bows and crossbows as a boy! My Mum was a widow with 5 kids at 30 so I had to discover everything on my own from about 7 years old. Still am exactly that same boy when guns are concerned. I grew up in the UK so firearms were not really part of my growing up, but have shot a few. I enjoy the complexity of airguns and how they use only air to propel a projectile. I have many pop's but am enjoying the 'autonomy' of break barrel and undercover airguns. I have bottles and compressors....but love the simplicity of break-barrel guns. I also think when they would be THE best in a future SHTF scenario..haha!
@@simonspain6080 Here is a SHTF one I just reviewed…
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Great video thanks 👍
@Leadbadger557 Thank you!
It is actually hitting harder being larger in size but the force is spread out more due to the slower larger pellet which means less penetration IMPO.
@Gyx68 That is only true if the heavy pellet goes at least as fast as the lighter pellet. A 16 grain 22 pellet travels around 900 fps and hits about 28.78 foot pounds. A 9.57 grain 177 pellet travels around 1200 fps and hits about 30.61 foot pounds.
That’s impressive for an airgun to shoot thru a car door
@Matt-yi2ir These modern day pellet rifle are dangerous!
Maybe you should take a look at Hatsan's airguns. Some of those are laughably powerful.
Modern cars metal is pathetically thin but still impressive.
If you're shooting at something behind a car door go with sub sonic .22 LR in a traditional rifle. It doesn't break the sound barrier or have the crack of gunfire. It also delivers a lot more energy on target.
Love your tests I have found with T6 aluminum .035 the Gamo rocket and the Lethal both made it through on the .062 only the lethal made it . have not tried it with the Hornet yet now I was using the Gamo mach 1 in .177 . with the .22 none made it through but mach i is slower in clay the rocket is impressive more so than the hornet . one more point as far as pass through only the tips made it . also the lethal is copper, the Hornet is brass for me which is better just depends on the distance under 25 yards .177. over 25 yards the .22 its kind of like a 9mm vs a 45 acp but with hunting shot placement is key especially with the .177 .
ZARIMEX does also plastic and steel core pointy pelet .. i would want to see a car door test with this one
Rocket versus Lethal pellets?
Great video, I wonder if 177cal 🚀 would pass through, the lethal pellet.
@johndoee3850 Thank you! A lot of people have spoken positively about the lethals. I need to try them.
Would love to see a benjamin marauder 177 test and see what it can do
@rezakhan3014 I’m only familiar with Gamo so I can’t say what Benjamin could do. If the speed is similar then the results should be similar.
The ones that didn’t pass through dumped their energy perfectly on the target, meaning more likely for a good kill
Try the fire tip crosman premieres they have a plastic skirt and a solid some type of white metal
@andrewklahn7899 I’ll check those out. Thank you!
Kool try a heavier pellet & the alloy.
I believe that the Gamo Lethal pellets might be better steel penetrators on the .177 caliber Swarm Magnum . They will clearly be very noisy and supersonic though. Too bad that Gamo doesn't make them in .22 caliber as well.
@m9078kj3 I’ve not tried the Lethal pellets yet. Get a lot of comments about them. I will put them on my list.
@@HuntShootLive My vision as a senior citizen is getting poor I had thought that I typed penetrators but it came out as perpetrators instead so I edited it again
That is the last time you are borrowing my car. I mean it is bad enough that you shot it but, heck you even took the door off. I mean it this time😂
@tradbowtimewithuncledan2686 Haha!!! Just can’t help myself! No worries. I’ll put it back on.
I only shoot the rockets and hawk pointed out mine. It will go threw pellet tins at 75 & 100 yards no problem I kno a car door is a bit diff but great for hunting
My man how long you been shooting that magnum? You must shoot it 250 rounds a day because my arms are not nearly as big lol I wanna see if you can punch through that door💪. Interesting video! Thanks for making it!
@JacobBerry-lo3bm Haha! Been shooting since I was a kid but I’d say the weight room built the arms.
I use red star pellets from bsa, they are 18.2 grains with a dome shaped head.
70 yards, passthrough a piece of corrogate.
@888WulfDog888 Ill have to give those a try. I just don't think the Swarm Magnum has the speed to get through metal. I've done several reviews testing on bone, muscle and hide, even on wood and it does well but seems like metal is just a little too hard for the break barrels.
@@HuntShootLive well I don't know if they are spec'd out differently down here (NZ), but my one regularly punches through corrogate. I did a whole run of testing using about 8 different kinds of pellets and the red star even though it's the cheapest, turned out to be the best of the lot.
My conclusion is that most of the fancier pellets are just gimmicks to get a higher selling price and that the .22 has a sweet spot at around 18grains.
Turns out the good old tried and true snub nose no frills lead pellet is still the best tool for the job lol.
I will upload the video and link it here so you can see for yourself.
@@HuntShootLive so here's an excerpt from the video so you don't just need to "trust me bro"......
The red star pellet is the perfect ammunition for this air rifle and it convincingly preforms time after time for me.
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@@888WulfDog888 interesting. I’ll have to check that out.
@@HuntShootLive looking forward to it.
I would love to see what the Hatsan 130 would do ? 🤔
@TwinGunz I don’t have any experience with Hatsan. Not sure.
The Hatsan mod 130 is not that much more powerful than the Gamo Swarm Magnum. I’ve seen real world numbers being very close - 31 ft lb for Hatsan and 29 for Gamo Sw Magnum Gen 3i
The swarm magnum at .22 caliber is only top off at 28 foot pounds the lightest or the pellets. You’re probably going at least a hundred foot pounds to pass through .
@petergreen1492 I want to try this with a 22 lr. I bet it might pass through.
I have the Gamo Whisper .177 with a $200 Hawke scope and regardless of which pellets I shoot I can’t get any kind of accuracy. I can shoot my .22 Savage with a heavy barrel and CCI Quiets and get great accuracy and a quieter shot. Feel I wasted $400 on a useless.177 air rifle. I knew I should’ve spent more and got a PCP air rifle
@jumboslice1514 I’ve shot 2 swarm magnums pretty extensively and both shoot about 1” groups at 40 yards with most pellets. Some slightly better, some worse. Overall though, I dislike the swarm magnum because it’s recoil is more of a shake and i just really don’t enjoy shooting it.
PCP is way better. I’ve got slightly less in my Gamo Arrow than in my swarm magnum and I like the Arrow 1000x better.
Check the 2 screws that hold on the barrel. If they are loose, the barrel will have a tiny bit of play and cause crap accuracy.
I also have the 177 whisper I found that my individual gun likes the Crossman hollow points the best with the red fire and gamo lethal both as a close 2nd although I personally don't care for the red fire they either bounce off everything or zip right thru with minimal damage done the crosman hollows for my gun any way seem to give a good penetration while dumping their energy on the target and not the ground behind my target
My experience is use Prometheus pellets at 5.5 even with lower power aurguns they perform like bullets so far i have used many pellets in my break barrels slugs do produce alot of power but Prometheus pellets are the best for penetration
@beastmode2990 I'll check those out. And slugs too. I've not shot either of those.
yup steel core and plastic skirt help , the steel core even the flat one dump all energy onto its surface with no expansion, and the plastic skirt offer a low friction coef in the barrel .. so pen is better a litle circle of metal cut then it goes trough without bending that much the plate it have to go trough.. but hell yeah the price of the prometeus XD it can be anoying for some plastic skirt pelet its they start too soon to travel in the barrel cuz of that less friction inside barel ..
@@HuntShootLive ive test slug gammo G hammer versus gamo sylverpoint , it seem out of my black bear the sylver point goes a litle deeper, (and the G hammer badly seat cuz too large u need a pelet seating tool to engage it properly otherwise u lose power actualy deforming the pelet to him be able to pass the cannon) bt in hard wood the more lead u have the larger the channel will be .. so less pen.. the one that goes deeper are the flat head 0.45g .. it has more speed... speed is key... add that with a core projectile who will not expand and stay at a fix diameter when traveling in the stuff and u have all energy that go into go deeper..
if ya want to penetrate with a airgun ... u need steel pelet with plastic skirt.. the steel part is not deformable and will hit on smaller surface and no expansion.. so all power go to cutting the car door and les is wasted deformat the panel.. also those pelet are less mass so more speed .. less mass more speed no deformation of the projectile.. is key to armor piercing
@sunoncream1118 Any specific brand you’re aware of made like that?
@@HuntShootLive ZARIMEX PSP
@@HuntShootLive google that " Airgun Pellets WP PSP Heavy Pointed - cal.4,5 - 150 pcs " youtube sencor my link.. so i guess u have to google it..
fuck youtube the sencor comment .. google that also Prometheus Pellets 4.5 mm
This air rifle is no joke
@aldocuevas3521 Big difference from the pellet rifles I grew up with, that is for sure!
Is that the best group you can get?
@jeffmontgomery1905 I believe you misread the video title. This is a penetration test. The intent is not to pound pellets into the same spot until they punch through.
As I commented earlier, I did a lots of comparison between the "highly penetrative" pellets, namely: Gamo Rocket, H&N Hornet, JSB Polymag and Metalmag, in cal. 177 and .22. Hornets are superior in all aspects, and proven extremely effective not only against hard material but also against animal tissues (pest's bones, joints, muscles...). Closely followed by Metalmag. Hornet is a bit (just a little bit) heavier than Rocket, and is ultimately pointed (whereas Rocket has spherical head), which is inevitably resulting in deeper penetration.
@DrAgan_tortojed The hornets were not superior in this test. Rockets did surprisingly better.
@@HuntShootLive It's OK with me. That's why I emphasized it's MY personal experience. I used Diana N-TEC 34 (cal. 22) and Diana 250 (cal. 177), shooting at empty meat-cans and analyzing wounds inflicted to different kind of pest.
@@DrAgan_tortojed So to your intended use damage does matter. You mentioned the hornet demonstrated better wound channel than others. Wounding comes from expansion. The hornet expanded more than the rocket on my test therefore it didn’t penetrate hard metal as well. For hunting purposes you don’t want penetration only. There has to be a balance between penetration and damage. For small game typically hunted with pellet rifles, penetration is not a concern. Damage is, therefore max expansion is desired. An example from centerfires would be why you target shoot with FMJs but you don’t hunt with them. They just poke holes. Zip right through yes but a hole does not kill immediately and sometimes not at all.
@@HuntShootLive Exactly. But, in my humble experience (I shot a few thousand rats, hundreds of crows, martens and badgers - not because I enjoy killing but because I work in a place where lots of poultry and the similar live stock has to be defended against small predators/pest), in most cases, using H&N Hornets i got the "combined" results: entering+exiting wound(s) and the part of the skirt being fragmented within the body causing spiral/circular inner wounds followed by a serious hemorrhage.
@@DrAgan_tortojed I am agreeing with you. Hornets are likely better for killing animals. Not poking through very hard objects, as the Rockets. I would not want to hunt with the Rockets.
I’m not surprised that the .177 is performing better than the .22… If it’s anything I learned is that I was right the first time. FPS matters more than FPE when looking for penetration. A sharper object penetrates better than a blunt object. If the FPE is the same, the .177 will penetrate better.
I’m sure there are some changes when comparing a .357 with “longer” ammunition, but I’m hoping to be able to cover that information soon by finding the exact speed required for a .357 to pass through my test.
@Masteradamant The 22 had less FPE. The pellet is heavier but it’s also slower. I don’t recall the exact calculation but the 22 has slightly less fpe.
Wonder how the hatsan 95 springer would have done
@RK-nl1hn I don’t have any experience with Hatsan so I couldn’t say.
the math says nowhere close to a Mag. I have a 95, it is what it is
the 22s are slower with more mass and diameter.
imma buy one for my old man. cool piece of kit.
do that again with the H&N 21gr slugs :D
@NathanVdV The problem with heavier slugs would mean even slower pellets hitting with less energy. That’s the problem with the .22 vs the .177. They use the exact same piston system so the .22 is slower to r you cold also say weaker than the .177. If the .22 had an improved piston system that produces more force than the .177 then it would be superior. Even if it could push heavier pellets the same speed as the .177 pellets it would be superior but it does not. It is the same piston system so heavier pellets are just further decreasing the speed and energy.
@@HuntShootLive while that is true the pellets retain much more energy at impact (given the 20 yard distance) than that normal pellet. But also like you say, the slower start speed could be limiting. I think they would go trough no problem even at slower speeds. I know they don’t go trough 3mm steel at 20 yards (tested it) but never had the chance to test a car door.
Dude must be sore after that many shots in a row. I have one of these and they are hard to cock. I get the sonic zing when I shoot mine. It claims 1300 fps and shooting Crossman ammo they are supersonic.
@ianlaughlin85 Hey, thanks for watching and for the comment! Check out my air rifle playlist. I've done a ton of videos testing velocity of different pellets and even dieseling with different compounds.
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@christiangiancamilli2681 I have never shot one but I do see that the Diana 52's advertised velocities for both the .177 and the .22 are significantly less than the Gamo Swarm Magnum. So it may be much more accurate but not sure about the powerful part.
wonder what the coyote .22 full power(29-33ft/lbs) could do to the door?
@colinshard8665 Not sure. I have only shot the Gamo pellet rifles.
@@HuntShootLive the coyote is made by gamo and BSA, it has gamo's internals, but a BSA cold-forged barrel
Wrong pellets to penetrate the door, possibly. Definitely want harder pellets
@maxsmalls1606 Any recommendations?
If you have a chance try the skenco hyper velocity 22-there’s a kid on TH-cam testing out these different pallets, and he showed the harder lighter pellets doing better than the softer heavier pellts in regards to piercing hard object. Probably different testing circumstances from yours but would be cool to look into👍🏾 i also believe he used a weaker 22 break barrel
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The hatsan 125 was more powerful than GAMO.
A covert cop attempting to plant a tracking device on an alleged meth dealers vehicle was was shot with one of these and died. Crazy right, that was in New Zealand. Who’s the bright one that planned that operation, creeping around a meth dealers house in the dark. They must have forgot that meth dealers don’t sleep.
Gamo rockets the best
@joelprofit7666 They seem to be hard to beat.
I found RWS AND BEEMAN GERMAN QUALITY, SUPERIOR TO GAMO.
not a Gen3 like your vid states... the Gen 2 has less FPS than the 3 does... so you are comparing a Gen3 .177 to a Gen2 .22... not the same dude
@KingMrBigE I do apologize if I stated the gen incorrectly. However, the “upgrade” between gen 2 and 3 was the loading system. Nothing else was upgraded that would impact pellet speed or the gas piston. The advertised speed is nonsense anyway because they use stupidly light pba pellets. Reference my air rifle playlist for a chrono video. But if they do advertise a higher speed with the gen 3 over the 2, it is purely marketing.
Power is same Gen 2, Gen3
If you had used the right pellets all shots would have penetrate... Skenco long range Skenco hyper velocity and H&N hornets are the best for that... The hyper velocity would go through anything... The only problem with the Skencos is that you have to single load them because of their length
@asoasotriadio The hornets were not as good as the rockets. I’ll look into the skencos.
@@HuntShootLive With my gamo magnum I shot 2 pieces of hard metal. The hornets penetrated the first one easy but not the second... The skenco hyper velocitys and the long range went through both layers and made damage to the wood behind the layers... They are on another level for penetration
@@asoasotriadio I can’t speak for the metal you shot. However, it was very clear from this test that the rockets did better than the hornets.
@@HuntShootLive I havent tried the rockets but from what I have seen they are also very good for penetration. I believe Skencos would be better though because they are plastic outside and hard brass inside so all the weight goes to the hard tip unlike the rockets where most of the weight is in the base of the pellet. The metal layers I shot were a little thinner than a car door...
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