Story 1 op needs to divorce his wife and take her daughter away from her mother what he did was so despicable. Story 2 op still blames his brother for Lisa's cheating. He needs to cut the toxic off his life his new wife is right he is risking exposure to toxic relationship patterns if he allows them back in to his life
Op 1 thank you for doing the right thing for your daughter. When I put my brother in jail for the same thing at 14 my parents stood by him and I ended up homeless after he was convicted. He even admitted it to my parents and they still did their best to hide what he'd done and blamed me for outting him. My oldest brother (different brother 9 yrs older and out of the house when it came out) came to visit me after 22 yrs of NC and he told me our mom told him our brother went to jail for burglary. He never knew until 2 weeks ago how bad it was for me especially after he left home. He told me he feels like his entire life was a lie.
story 1 is why comprehensive sex education is so important. a lot of kids get abused but don't know the words to tell a trusted adult. None of this is OP's fault though. I hope OP and his daughter are able to heal
ALSO the choice was either, "OP calls the police" or "CPS calls the police" there was no way that boy wasnt going to jail. It wasn't like if OP didn't call the police then no one would
@@Polygonyall worse. The choices were "OP calls the police and loses a son" or "OP doesn't call the police, and CPS calls them, and deems him an unfit parent and takes his daughter away also, costing OP two children." Either way the son was a goner. The mom is mourning, probably both the son and what he did, and feeling guilt, which is why she is pulling away from her daughter, but it's punishing the child when she needs her most, at this really vulnerable time in her life. The dad is more avoidant of the grief and being pragmatic and focusing on his daughter, but it's also not in a healthy way I imagine, because it seems he's trying to ignore and push away any feelings of grief towards his son, but I get that it's the worst time to be grieving him, especially when his victim NEEDS 100% of his support, so it makes sense, but it's still not healthy that neither of them is coping with these events fully, and that they're both stuck on one side of the spectrum, where the mom solely focuses on the grief from their son's death and the father solely focuses on the grief from his actions, and on helping their daughter. The whole situation is unenviable, and both of them are hurting. The dad just feels a bit more noble because he's trying to protect his kid and put his daughter forward, albeit partially as a distraction from his own pain.
Unfortunately, sometimes good people raise monsters. Op is not wrong for being glad his son is dead. What he did was the worst kind of betrayal. I think Ops wife made this kid bad by her constant enabling of his bad behavior. There were signs, but who could have guessed how it would have manifested. Op needs to divorce his wife. She's the worst kind of mother. She probably would've just covered up Emily's abuse to protect her golden boy. Sad.
I agree with you for the most part but I’m not letting op off the hook with this one, sure the mother was an issue but he still just let it happen as well. sure he tried at first but that doesn’t matter cause he also let it happen. Either way he does need to divorce her, that marriage is obviously taking a nose dive. The only one I truly feel bad for is the daughter.
Story 1: OP needs to divorce his wife and take his daughter. The son was clearly the delusional wife's golden child, and for to even think they could "heal as a family" said enough. She wanted poor Emily to continue living in the same house as her abuser. Yeah, that woman can mourn her son on her own. Story 2: It feels like OP's parents just want to be free of the guilt and see their grandaughter. Yeah. Don't take them back. They made their bed, let them sleep on it.
Story 2. I never understand these Ops who were quite literally betrayed by their parents even contemplating allowing said parents access to their grandkids. Seems like you are setting yourselves up for disaster. Why reward these people? I wouldn't.
Story 1, OP, you need to divorce and take Emily. Find a new state, a new city. Start over. Lisa is not willing to see what Andrew really did. He was her Golden Child. If you "Kept it in the family" she would have brushed it off, excused his horrific behavior and nothing would have changed. Your daughter would still be getting hurt. She cares so much about him that it's clear that Emily was an afterthought to her. She's not safe to stay with, and definitely not safe to leave your daughter with. Story 2, OP, your parents have showed exactly what they are like. They are willing to drop you like a sack of potatoes without even giving you a chance. They aren't remorseful, they aren't sorry. They just feel guilty that you were innocent and they were wrong. If it happened again they'd do the same thing. They were "So blinded by love for him, we never thought he could do something so cruel" but they were 100% willing to believe YOU were that cruel. They admitted that they loved him far more than you. They didn't suddenly develop more love for you just because he messed up.
S1- the wife is so gross and a big part of why he turned out the way he did. Divorcing her and getting your daughter away from her is so important. S2- why would you even want these people around your daughter?? Knowing everything and after the way they treated you? They didn't want to believe their GC could be so cruel, but they could believe OP would be. Says a lot.
I wonder if Lisa would have the same mindset of not calling the police, if they had another son and instead of Emily being the victim, he assaulted Andrew or if it was say an uncle from either side who assaults Andrew or would Lisa do exactly what OP did.
Sorry OP but nothing you could have done would have changed the person Andrew grew up to be. Nature supersedes nurture when it comes to this kind of evil.
Story 1 Op did save his son, in a way. What was he supposed to do? They didn't have the skills or the time to dedicate to "fixing" Andrew (although I doubt it was something that could be fixed). He was where he needed to be, in a rigid structured environment that wouldn't enable bad behavior and severely limited his access to other people. It sucks, but he needed to be treated like a prisoner so he could do away with his desire for control and cruelty, if that was ever something he could do away with. Op's wife is feeling insecure in her ability as a mother and instead of compartmentalizing it like Op did, and seeing that Op made the right choice for both of their children, she is lashing out and only more hurt will follow if Op stays. About the time my SO slaps me because I dared to say the truth, I'm out.
Incredibly weird but I have an uncle named Andrew who did the same thing to his younger sibling. Sadly, his parents didn’t go to the police. Tried to “fix” him. He never did get fixed. My parents just tell kids to stay away from him now.
Story 1: From the sound of things, even if OP hadn't called the cops right then, the son would have been hauled away anyways because others would have reported him and that any attempt to "save" him by trying to keep him out of jail and done counseling or whatever would have failed because the wife had always been an enabler for his bad behavior. Story 2: Should have told his parents that "Actions have consequences." and to let them know just how close they came to fully losing their son and not even having a granddaughter to meet.
1st story: Great that Emily's therapy seems to go alright, but why am I not hearing about OP's and Lisa's therapy? Why wasn't the family therapy mentioned? If you're willing to call a lawyer to withdraw from your wife but not a therapist to help your family heal you got your head too far up your ass to be given sympathy. You're all grieving! Effing get help with that! And don't settle for some faith-based semi-preachings from a pastor - get top shelf, science-based mental help from a certified professional. If that doesn't work, call that lawyer.
Honestly, I don't think therapy would've done anything for OP & his wife. She's too deep in her grief to even consider placing the blame on her son, instead holding OP responsible for his death, accusing him of not caring for his son, and refusing to help her daughter through the trauma she endured. He should bring up family therapy, but with how their family is rapidly deteriorating and Lisa's refusal to actually hold her son accountable, it wouldn't surprise me that it's too late to salvage the marriage.
As I see it, therapy for both OP and Lisa should've been a given as soon as the first bomb dropped. Shock and grief can seriously mess up your mental footing, and by the sound of it OP's son had a bit of a golden child vibe on top of that, so of course it was going to spiral through all layers of hell. What I'm getting at is that OP nowhere mentions how he and his wife took therapy into consideration for themselves, and I've heard enough stories both online and offline to understand that grown-ass adults that for whatever reason refuse therapy for themselves suffer unnecessary hardships and arrive at the end of their ropes broken and exhausted rather than strengthened and wiser. Therapy is not a magic wand, but having somewhere to vent and someone that genuinely wants you to get better, whatever that means for you going forward, can be the difference between a life spiraling out of control and you getting your shit together. OP and his wife might still have ended up divorced, but maybe they'd be better off to take care of Emily. That's still a win in my book.
@@patriksvensson2360 I agree that they should've been in therapy the moment this situation came to light, but I think it would've been impossible to do because of Lisa. For her to still be this avoidant about the situation, holding OP responsible for his son's death despite getting himself into that altercation with the other inmate, I honestly believe that they'd never be able to attend family therapy. Lisa is just too stubborn to even consider the possibility that OP made the right decision. Hopefully, she comes around, but I think their relationship is too deteriorated to continue the marriage. As it stands, Lisa's too far in her grief to be a mother to her remaining child, who is the victim in all of this.
S1: is no one else gonna mention that the other folks were gonna escalate if OP didn't report his son? This outcome was inevitable and could have gotten OP in actual trouble, daughter taken, for not reporting!
S1 OP needs to see if he can get some of the dead sons DNA to see if he was actually his kid. Sounds like the wife had an affair since she said OP didn't know what it was like to lose a kid, meaning it wasn't his kid.
I strongly believe that some people are bad human beings from birth . There’s nothing parents can do . They love their child , do everything right , and still some become killers , abusers , r**ists or thieves . People who excuse those behaviours by saying they needed more love when kids are just delusional.
@@harleyquinn5774 that's a little ableist of you, isn't it? Not all psychopaths are monsters. Not all of them happily seek out destruction or happily manipulate people. Hell, not even all sociopaths act like that. You're acting as if psychopathic adults who get psychiatric help don't exist. They're not "monsters" until they do something monstrous. You're just branding all psychopaths as "monsters" due to your lack of education.
Story 1 I can't believe that Lisa was more interested in protecting Andrew who s a'd her daughter than in supporting her daughter! I would have disowned my son if he had done that to any girl. Emily must be feeling so hurt that her mother is npt supporting her. When Emily grows up she will always remember how her mother was only concerned about the brother who had abused her! Lisa even wanted to keep Andrew in the home with Emily although she knew what he had done to Emily. It seems that Lisa almost blames Emily for what happened. Lisa needs to get her priorities straight! Andrew is dead, Emily is alive and needs her mother's love abd support.
What is with these people who say " My kid deserves to have GP's" Kids Don't Have To Have GP's. Especially GP's that have done/said awful things to their kids.
Even if OP wouldn't have called the police on his son, cps would have. They even told him so. And I'm pretty sure they would have a lot more problems if they didn't call the police. Im not sure if its true, but I feel like cps would have probably taken their daughter if they refused and tried to help their son. The wife is just delusional, and the son would have ended up in prison either way.
Story is a prime example of how treating children as "golden children" can lead to anti-social disorder or more commonly known as sociopathic/psychopathic narcissism.
The wife wanted to handle the issue internally. Cps literally said, either you turn him in or we handle it. I guarantee their handling would have not only included notifying the police, so so would ultimately have the same outcome. But very likely the daughter would be removed since her parents would have proven incapable of keeping her safe.
You know, if your parents screw you over, there is no coming back from that. Wouldn't want them involved in my children's life. No obligation to them. Period.
When you look at someone through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags. Lisa has them fused to he face. I think, maybe, her coodling had something to do with how Andrew turned out. She seems like a Boy Mom.
2nd story: I'm confused. If he seen the proof himself how is it that he hit rock bottom during a divorce because you had proved so you could prove that she cheated and maybe you couldn't prove it was cheating with your brother but you could prove she was cheating with someone. Now you have been the dumbass if you didn't get that proof and allow her to make you look like the cheating dumbass. And if that is the case that sounds like a you problem not a her problem because she died her ass and crossed her teeth when it came to her being sneaky and slick.
story 1: op is shit. the fact that the teacher knows first shows how little trust op's kids had in him and his wife. the other thing is sx ed and body ed is extremely important and she was a ten year old girl and could not name what happened? wtf! there is absolutely no trust in this family. you, only you as a parent can put trust and safety in the life of a child, that your child can tell you anything without you getting mad / force stop something. if your child trust you and you have a safeguard in place that your kid can tell you everything -- without you acting on that knowledge -- is extremely important. this helps in such a case.
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Story 1 op needs to divorce his wife and take her daughter away from her mother what he did was so despicable. Story 2 op still blames his brother for Lisa's cheating. He needs to cut the toxic off his life his new wife is right he is risking exposure to toxic relationship patterns if he allows them back in to his life
Story 1 I would divorce her and keep my daughter away from her permanently. As for the sicko he got karma!
Op 1 thank you for doing the right thing for your daughter. When I put my brother in jail for the same thing at 14 my parents stood by him and I ended up homeless after he was convicted. He even admitted it to my parents and they still did their best to hide what he'd done and blamed me for outting him. My oldest brother (different brother 9 yrs older and out of the house when it came out) came to visit me after 22 yrs of NC and he told me our mom told him our brother went to jail for burglary. He never knew until 2 weeks ago how bad it was for me especially after he left home. He told me he feels like his entire life was a lie.
story 1 is why comprehensive sex education is so important. a lot of kids get abused but don't know the words to tell a trusted adult. None of this is OP's fault though. I hope OP and his daughter are able to heal
ALSO the choice was either, "OP calls the police" or "CPS calls the police" there was no way that boy wasnt going to jail. It wasn't like if OP didn't call the police then no one would
@@Polygonyall worse. The choices were "OP calls the police and loses a son" or "OP doesn't call the police, and CPS calls them, and deems him an unfit parent and takes his daughter away also, costing OP two children." Either way the son was a goner. The mom is mourning, probably both the son and what he did, and feeling guilt, which is why she is pulling away from her daughter, but it's punishing the child when she needs her most, at this really vulnerable time in her life. The dad is more avoidant of the grief and being pragmatic and focusing on his daughter, but it's also not in a healthy way I imagine, because it seems he's trying to ignore and push away any feelings of grief towards his son, but I get that it's the worst time to be grieving him, especially when his victim NEEDS 100% of his support, so it makes sense, but it's still not healthy that neither of them is coping with these events fully, and that they're both stuck on one side of the spectrum, where the mom solely focuses on the grief from their son's death and the father solely focuses on the grief from his actions, and on helping their daughter. The whole situation is unenviable, and both of them are hurting. The dad just feels a bit more noble because he's trying to protect his kid and put his daughter forward, albeit partially as a distraction from his own pain.
This is a fictional story from r/nosleep. I googled the title.
@@westoeden No, that is a different story you just got as a google result. The no sleep one is about mindcontrol.
@@DeathbyDusk r/nosleep are short horror stories. They are good.
Unfortunately, sometimes good people raise monsters. Op is not wrong for being glad his son is dead. What he did was the worst kind of betrayal. I think Ops wife made this kid bad by her constant enabling of his bad behavior. There were signs, but who could have guessed how it would have manifested. Op needs to divorce his wife. She's the worst kind of mother. She probably would've just covered up Emily's abuse to protect her golden boy. Sad.
Oh she definitely would have. That's 1000% what she meant by saving Andrew just letting him have his way with Emily consequence free.
I agree with you for the most part but I’m not letting op off the hook with this one, sure the mother was an issue but he still just let it happen as well. sure he tried at first but that doesn’t matter cause he also let it happen.
Either way he does need to divorce her, that marriage is obviously taking a nose dive.
The only one I truly feel bad for is the daughter.
I bet the mother found way before about the abuse, but pretended to be blind to "not ruin" the golden child's life
I bet she knew and let it happen
Story 1: OP needs to divorce his wife and take his daughter. The son was clearly the delusional wife's golden child, and for to even think they could "heal as a family" said enough. She wanted poor Emily to continue living in the same house as her abuser. Yeah, that woman can mourn her son on her own.
Story 2: It feels like OP's parents just want to be free of the guilt and see their grandaughter. Yeah. Don't take them back. They made their bed, let them sleep on it.
Story 2. I never understand these Ops who were quite literally betrayed by their parents even contemplating allowing said parents access to their grandkids. Seems like you are setting yourselves up for disaster. Why reward these people? I wouldn't.
It's guilt and remorse even though they may have done nothing wrong. The familial bond is more than a physical connection.
I don't understand even wanting to have a relationship with parents who have a "Golden Child" instead of children
Listening to that story and I'm pretty sure the wife knew what Andrew was doing and didn't care because he's the golden child
Story 1 Op did save his son. And he saved not just his daughter, but a ton of other children.
Story 1, OP, you need to divorce and take Emily. Find a new state, a new city. Start over. Lisa is not willing to see what Andrew really did. He was her Golden Child. If you "Kept it in the family" she would have brushed it off, excused his horrific behavior and nothing would have changed. Your daughter would still be getting hurt. She cares so much about him that it's clear that Emily was an afterthought to her. She's not safe to stay with, and definitely not safe to leave your daughter with.
Story 2, OP, your parents have showed exactly what they are like. They are willing to drop you like a sack of potatoes without even giving you a chance. They aren't remorseful, they aren't sorry. They just feel guilty that you were innocent and they were wrong. If it happened again they'd do the same thing. They were "So blinded by love for him, we never thought he could do something so cruel" but they were 100% willing to believe YOU were that cruel. They admitted that they loved him far more than you. They didn't suddenly develop more love for you just because he messed up.
S1- the wife is so gross and a big part of why he turned out the way he did. Divorcing her and getting your daughter away from her is so important.
S2- why would you even want these people around your daughter?? Knowing everything and after the way they treated you?
They didn't want to believe their GC could be so cruel, but they could believe OP would be. Says a lot.
I wonder if Lisa would have the same mindset of not calling the police, if they had another son and instead of Emily being the victim, he assaulted Andrew or if it was say an uncle from either side who assaults Andrew or would Lisa do exactly what OP did.
Sorry OP but nothing you could have done would have changed the person Andrew grew up to be. Nature supersedes nurture when it comes to this kind of evil.
if i was OP in story 2, I would just tell mom on the phone "i did cheat on my wife, so you can go back to pretending i dont exist. bye."
Story 1 Op did save his son, in a way. What was he supposed to do? They didn't have the skills or the time to dedicate to "fixing" Andrew (although I doubt it was something that could be fixed). He was where he needed to be, in a rigid structured environment that wouldn't enable bad behavior and severely limited his access to other people. It sucks, but he needed to be treated like a prisoner so he could do away with his desire for control and cruelty, if that was ever something he could do away with. Op's wife is feeling insecure in her ability as a mother and instead of compartmentalizing it like Op did, and seeing that Op made the right choice for both of their children, she is lashing out and only more hurt will follow if Op stays. About the time my SO slaps me because I dared to say the truth, I'm out.
Incredibly weird but I have an uncle named Andrew who did the same thing to his younger sibling. Sadly, his parents didn’t go to the police. Tried to “fix” him. He never did get fixed. My parents just tell kids to stay away from him now.
Police now
Story 1: From the sound of things, even if OP hadn't called the cops right then, the son would have been hauled away anyways because others would have reported him and that any attempt to "save" him by trying to keep him out of jail and done counseling or whatever would have failed because the wife had always been an enabler for his bad behavior.
Story 2: Should have told his parents that "Actions have consequences." and to let them know just how close they came to fully losing their son and not even having a granddaughter to meet.
1st story: Great that Emily's therapy seems to go alright, but why am I not hearing about OP's and Lisa's therapy? Why wasn't the family therapy mentioned? If you're willing to call a lawyer to withdraw from your wife but not a therapist to help your family heal you got your head too far up your ass to be given sympathy. You're all grieving! Effing get help with that! And don't settle for some faith-based semi-preachings from a pastor - get top shelf, science-based mental help from a certified professional. If that doesn't work, call that lawyer.
Honestly, I don't think therapy would've done anything for OP & his wife. She's too deep in her grief to even consider placing the blame on her son, instead holding OP responsible for his death, accusing him of not caring for his son, and refusing to help her daughter through the trauma she endured. He should bring up family therapy, but with how their family is rapidly deteriorating and Lisa's refusal to actually hold her son accountable, it wouldn't surprise me that it's too late to salvage the marriage.
As I see it, therapy for both OP and Lisa should've been a given as soon as the first bomb dropped. Shock and grief can seriously mess up your mental footing, and by the sound of it OP's son had a bit of a golden child vibe on top of that, so of course it was going to spiral through all layers of hell. What I'm getting at is that OP nowhere mentions how he and his wife took therapy into consideration for themselves, and I've heard enough stories both online and offline to understand that grown-ass adults that for whatever reason refuse therapy for themselves suffer unnecessary hardships and arrive at the end of their ropes broken and exhausted rather than strengthened and wiser. Therapy is not a magic wand, but having somewhere to vent and someone that genuinely wants you to get better, whatever that means for you going forward, can be the difference between a life spiraling out of control and you getting your shit together. OP and his wife might still have ended up divorced, but maybe they'd be better off to take care of Emily. That's still a win in my book.
@@patriksvensson2360 I agree that they should've been in therapy the moment this situation came to light, but I think it would've been impossible to do because of Lisa. For her to still be this avoidant about the situation, holding OP responsible for his son's death despite getting himself into that altercation with the other inmate, I honestly believe that they'd never be able to attend family therapy. Lisa is just too stubborn to even consider the possibility that OP made the right decision.
Hopefully, she comes around, but I think their relationship is too deteriorated to continue the marriage. As it stands, Lisa's too far in her grief to be a mother to her remaining child, who is the victim in all of this.
S1: is no one else gonna mention that the other folks were gonna escalate if OP didn't report his son? This outcome was inevitable and could have gotten OP in actual trouble, daughter taken, for not reporting!
If op would have tried to handle it privately. They wouldnt have had either kid. CPS would've taken their daughter and have the son arrested.
S1 OP needs to see if he can get some of the dead sons DNA to see if he was actually his kid. Sounds like the wife had an affair since she said OP didn't know what it was like to lose a kid, meaning it wasn't his kid.
I strongly believe that some people are bad human beings from birth . There’s nothing parents can do . They love their child , do everything right , and still some become killers , abusers , r**ists or thieves . People who excuse those behaviours by saying they needed more love when kids are just delusional.
Those are called psychopaths. They born monsters. No amount of healthy nurturing can fix them.
@@harleyquinn5774 that's a little ableist of you, isn't it? Not all psychopaths are monsters. Not all of them happily seek out destruction or happily manipulate people. Hell, not even all sociopaths act like that. You're acting as if psychopathic adults who get psychiatric help don't exist. They're not "monsters" until they do something monstrous. You're just branding all psychopaths as "monsters" due to your lack of education.
Op did make some mistakes, but the mother is the true cuplit. spineless and weak and due to her favoritism, she allowed this to happen.
Story 1 I can't believe that Lisa was more interested in protecting Andrew who s a'd her daughter than in supporting her daughter! I would have disowned my son if he had done that to any girl. Emily must be feeling so hurt that her mother is npt supporting her. When Emily grows up she will always remember how her mother was only concerned about the brother who had abused her! Lisa even wanted to keep Andrew in the home with Emily although she knew what he had done to Emily. It seems that Lisa almost blames Emily for what happened. Lisa needs to get her priorities straight! Andrew is dead, Emily is alive and needs her mother's love abd support.
What is with these people who say " My kid deserves to have GP's"
Kids Don't Have To Have GP's. Especially GP's that have done/said awful things to their kids.
Even if OP wouldn't have called the police on his son, cps would have. They even told him so. And I'm pretty sure they would have a lot more problems if they didn't call the police. Im not sure if its true, but I feel like cps would have probably taken their daughter if they refused and tried to help their son. The wife is just delusional, and the son would have ended up in prison either way.
I don't blame op for filing for divorce story 1
You need to put the sources back into the description.
Fr, it's so annoying trying to find the original post when the title is a dead end
i think the story might be AI-generated.
Both are ai generated
I bet the mother found way before about the abuse, but pretended to be blind to "not ruin" the golden child's life
I bet she knew and let it happen
S2 Don't tell me. He went back to talk to his parents out of curiosity because it was ( You know. ) Out of curiosity.
Story is a prime example of how treating children as "golden children" can lead to anti-social disorder or more commonly known as sociopathic/psychopathic narcissism.
In story 2 the answers pretty simple, "When you off yourselves, I'll come see you at the fubecause.That's the only way i'm accepting your apology"
S1 is from r/nosleep. It's horror fiction sub reddit.
Did you read it to make sure it was the same story?
This is such a mess. I feel sorry for them all.
You are not to blame for his death he brought it to himself
Story 1: I don't envy OP. Having to protect your child from your other child. The son could not be saved.
The wife wanted to handle the issue internally. Cps literally said, either you turn him in or we handle it. I guarantee their handling would have not only included notifying the police, so so would ultimately have the same outcome. But very likely the daughter would be removed since her parents would have proven incapable of keeping her safe.
2.- I despise the compartmentalization by OP (and many others tbh), his parents and "her grandparents" are the same people.
W father.
You know, if your parents screw you over, there is no coming back from that. Wouldn't want them involved in my children's life. No obligation to them. Period.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the sister isn’t the only victim….
Don't allowed them to see them.. especially when's there's not doing anything for actually listen to the side.. instead one sided for lie..
Wouldn't be surprised if the mom was touching the boy in a bad way
the biggest lesson i got out of this video was to never trust anyone named Lisa
Story 1 : Op wife ( Hopefully soon to be ex) is the literal devil....
When you look at someone through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags. Lisa has them fused to he face. I think, maybe, her coodling had something to do with how Andrew turned out. She seems like a Boy Mom.
To the first story I am sketched. I usually want more than witness testimony to convict. I mean it a little too late though.
There was probably more, but OP just left it out.
@@SenatiaA I agree, but with the information I am given I have to judge that till I get more information.
Ì would move somewhere where the family couldn't reach me story 2
Keep Kratos!
It's really a dirt bag move not including a link to the orginal story.
Careful, this channel loves to delete comments calling it out lol
2nd story: I'm confused. If he seen the proof himself how is it that he hit rock bottom during a divorce because you had proved so you could prove that she cheated and maybe you couldn't prove it was cheating with your brother but you could prove she was cheating with someone.
Now you have been the dumbass if you didn't get that proof and allow her to make you look like the cheating dumbass.
And if that is the case that sounds like a you problem not a her problem because she died her ass and crossed her teeth when it came to her being sneaky and slick.
story 1: op is shit. the fact that the teacher knows first shows how little trust op's kids had in him and his wife. the other thing is sx ed and body ed is extremely important and she was a ten year old girl and could not name what happened? wtf! there is absolutely no trust in this family.
you, only you as a parent can put trust and safety in the life of a child, that your child can tell you anything without you getting mad / force stop something. if your child trust you and you have a safeguard in place that your kid can tell you everything -- without you acting on that knowledge -- is extremely important. this helps in such a case.
This title alone is wild 😂
You need to put the sources back in the description