250lbs Adult Purple Belt Brutally Slams 140lbs Blue Belt Teenager
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2022
- Recently I came across a video of a teenage BJJ blue belt being slammed by a much larger purple belt. The video (which the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu coach of the gym and father of the teenager posted) shows a video of a much larger guy slamming a much smaller teenager.
Now the situation is unfortunate but it's a good lesson to observe in the future for yourself should you ever roll with someone brand new. Brand new meaning, new to Jiu-jitsu or just new to your gym.
As I'll explain in the video I've had some unfortunate situations that I learned the hard way. So I'm sharing to hopefully help you not make the same mistake or have the "pleasure" of learning the lesson as bad as some have.
-Chewy
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I train at this gym. We have two gyms in one location. An MMA gym and a jiu jitsu gym. This was the MMA's coaches son that got slammed. The person doing the slamming was a visitor. Since it was nogi none of us were sure what color belt he was until it was confirmed by others. The purple belt did come back and profusely apologize a few days later. Much respect to both coaches for showing restraint towards the purple belt. Needless to say, he is banned. The blue belt is perfectly fine and doing well.
That's great to know!! Thanks for the update.
He came back out of social media backlash not some enlightenment moment.
Glad to hear the blue belt is alright. Purple belt deserves to be shit on. Shame on him.
@@User-54631 not true. He came back a few days later. Way before this video even went viral.
I'm so glad the blue belt is okay. Stuff like this is why I don't roll with heavyweights I never rolled with before or met before unless they are at least a brown belt or if my female brown belt instructor tells me the person is a safe person to roll with. I have an active job and have to protect my body.
I find it hard to believe that a legit purple doesn't know that the slam is not cool.
I couldn’t agree more
You'd like to think there would be some grappling maturity but it just goes to show there's dicks at every level.
More like his ego couldn't take getting caught by the kid.
Same here
It depends on school. Some schools breed that brawler mentality. If your already a jerk coming into jiu jitsu it only gets reinforced by said gym, if the gym culture also has that we go hard mentality. These type of guys will do this to visitors or when visiting other schools.
As a very strong guy, I've been asked a couple of times "hey can you help me train against slams, my upcoming fight allows them" and generally what we'll do is roll and if I can pick them up to waist level, that counts as a "tap" and I'll gently put them down and we reset.
There's ZERO need to actually slam someone like that mid-roll.
Exactly this. If you're training REALLY dangerous stuff, you isolate the skill, and figure out how to do it safely. My son and I will occasionally put striking into our rolls, or wrist locks, or training knives, or whatever. We always specify how hard or fast we're going to go, and under what conditions we'll tap or reset, etc etc.
This is an awesome way to train! Triangles are my bread and butter and I wish I traoned more to defend against/react to slams
If we got into a throw position we would pause and let them know that "I'm going to throw you" and do a gentle throw (together) so that when you're on the ground you're working through that take down and in the "same" ground position that you hypothetically would be in. But yeah, absolute no reason to slam someone like that. Completely out of line. (this is in wrestling)
Rolling with strangers is always a roll of the dice. Gamble at your own peril.
Usually, it's all good. Just gotta be aware.
Agree I( blue belt)went to a gym while on vacation and one of the blue belts there overextended my neck while “flow rolling” by putting on a really sloppy guillotine and completely cranking it out of nowhere
We've had all sorts come in for open mats and never a problem.
@@mattrennie6876 I'm happy for you guys. Like Chewie said, it's usually good. But it's still a gamble.
@@Chewjitsu safety is an illusion. We shouldn’t trust people we don’t know. It’s very dangerous to trust someone you don’t know to grapple alone (no one else you trust around); I believe there are a few cases of murders from grappling sparring and choked to death.
I know a white belt no stripe girl who got her arm broke by a purple belt 4 stripe girl the 1st day because she didnt giver time to tap, the coach who is a high level famous black belt just said dont worry it happens she will be fine.. she couldnt work, lost her job, had no medical insurance, took 2 years to recover..she never went back to bjj… SAD
Wow. That's ridiculous that that black belt didn't even care and didn't even punish the girl who was almost a brown belt. What an a**hole.
That’s absolutely horrible. I don’t blame that girl for never coming back. Who wants to train and grow with that as an example. Oof.
THAT is the shit that should piss everyone off. She loses her passion for the sport so some loser in belts much higher can feel high and mighty for 10 minutes. Absolutely disgraceful.
Cause the purple belt girl sucks the black belts guys dong. Is why the black belt doesn’t care.
@@Aly9315 Unfortunately, the coaches have a bias in favor of the higher ranks.
My BJJ gym allows pick-ups but no slams. It honestly is a great system. You don't hurt your training partners, but you also learn when you are doing a submission that would put you in a vulnerable position. Both people get to adapt.
Same my gym allows you to go for flying subs with higher belts but you learn very quickly that anything you do where your weight is no longer on the mat or balanced under you, it can be a bad time. No slams though
Naw if your same age and agree
@@skaterbrostatus if you agree to slams you might already be short too many brain cells. There is no benifit to slamming a training partner or being slammed by one.
I think that is also a good policy because it allows you to learn how to quickly adjust to avoid getting picked up by releasing your legs or grabbing their legs etc.
@@Alex9501950what's your number so I can do a quick 10 min debate ik that's suss but ion got time to argue over the internet
Slams are for inflicting damage to end a fight. Rolling is for practicing technique. Had a guy slam me from the same position, I let him him know we aren't trying to hurt each other, so there is no need to slam. And he pulled the whole "well I didn't want to tap". That's when I started using every dirty bjj move.
good on you lmao...his excuse is not a sound reason to do that anyways
The crazy thing to me is that the big guy’s first response to a barely on triangle was to slam the kid. So many more things he could’ve done to defend especially considering the size difference. Not only extremely poor etiquette, but poor technique too.
Slamming someone is really good technique. It works better then any other escape
@@attackscorpion5323 In a street fight or in certain competitions, yes, but in all of the gyms I’ve visited, I’ve never seen somebody slam their way out of a triangle. If you’re going to slam someone like that at an open mat, the guy on bottom might as well start throwing elbows. At the end of the day, this is a game we play with people. As Chewy says, it’s not patty cake, but it’s not a death match either, certainly not in this context.
@@mishgrish3439
Well then they should let go off the choke. If someone can’t slam then people shouldn’t hold on to chokes when elevated
@@attackscorpion5323 It works better than any other escape when you are bigger and stronger than your opponent. L to a purple belt who would do that to a smaller blue belt during training without weight classes.
@@attackscorpion5323 Im all for that rule, same in EBI i think, if you pick up above the waist youre forced to let go.
The fact that he blamed the kid makes it so much worse...
How the people seeing this showed so much restraint is beyond me.
I would have gone nuts, especially if that was my kid.
In my old muay thai gym things like that earned you a few rounds with the coach where the coach (or the best, heaviest guy available) was allowed to go full force, to knock some sense into your thick skull, and then be thrown out of the gym if you still didn't learn the lesson. I thought it was extremely reasonable.
That's how all real gyms are. This video exposed cowardice of the "coach"
won't even defend his son.
my old place was like that when we did kickboxing sparring. if you were experienced and were teeing off on a newbie the instructor would spar with you next round and would knock some humility into you. i think i only saw it actually happen like once or twice
@@kyle21843
an incident like the video would get the dude jumped and stomped out by the hole gym in most places.
@@jasonvoorhees5640 yeah being a purple belt he should know damn well that was uncalled for
who cares
Great advice as always, Professor Chewy.
In the Chicagoland area in the early 2000s, there were only a handful of Jiu Jitsu academies.
They all required their students to train for at least three months prior to sparring, and none of them allowed drop ins, reasoning that a drop-in would have no vested interest in the safety of the school’s students.
Nikolas
So, Bruce Lee wouldn't be allowed. I agree the walkin is dangerous. Has nothing to do with bruce lee.
@@christopherspohn8071 Bruce Lee? What?
We allow walkins but they aren’t going to be paired up with a teenager! That’s crazy. Pair them with the coach or someone high level that can handle them or talk to them if they’re going too hard.
If you're a blue belt you know that slams are pretty much non verbally banned when practicing bjj and even mma. It's like quite literally impossible for this purple belt to not know that
I go to a Gracie gym and during the SELF DEFENSE classes we always put safety first. Wether it’s always reminding the “bad guys” to break fall, or modifications to grips that will protect our thumbs/fingers the idea that a school would allow concussions in the name of self defense is insane to me (and also ironic a bit)
Rener Gracie said it best when he said that violent rolling often prevents the people who need the art the most (small, meek people) from ever getting into it. Great video Chewy!
This is why I have a new found respect for GU and Rener and Ryron. They have a SD curriculum and to protect newbies from dangerous rolls and body slams like this. You should not be slamming your training partners like this ever.
Yeah well, yours is THE real Gracie Gym where jiu jitsu is taught the way Helio meant it. This video applies to every other bjj mcdojo on every corner. cheers.
The might be the gayest thingy I ever saw. Self defence BJJ and bad guys 😂😂 the only reason Rener and his crew started marketing themselves as self defence jiu jitsu Is because they became irrelevant in the bjj community. If you want to learn bjj, train at a competitive gym that focuses on comp. If you want to learn self defence, learn mma
@@kubikiribasara3499 Gracie gyms are the McDojos. Giving out blue belts online 😂 I train at unity, our blue belts would absolutely destroy these Gracie certified black belts 🤣🤣
@@squidguard4743 before you get a brown or black from a ctc you flyout to Torrance to physically test under and roll with Rener, Ryron and whoever else that decides if you get that belt. You can laugh all you want but they are actually pretty strict with their teaching standards, skill acquisition and advancement to the next belt. I trained at a mma school and bjj comp school before so I have something to compare it to and in terms of standards, clarity, structure and access to information GU is better than the typical local bjj gym.
I was never super great at BJJ but I had the equalizer of being a big powerlifter. So when goofing around on the mat, If I got caught in a triangle, I would pick the person up almost touching the ceiling, let out a ferocious Mountain Roar and then let them down knowing that they would have died otherwise. I don't think I would ever slam someone though unless they were about to commit murder and had to be stopped, because a slam could be life-changing for all parties involved
Been watching since I was a brand new white belt, now a purple belt. Still watching and learning always. You're the man Chewy!
I started watching you as a white belt and as I am knocking on the door of purple belt, I find your videos incredibly helpful on a myriad of subjects. I had the pleasure of coming out to Derby and training with you and your students and it was excellent. I suggest anyone that finds themselves in the Louisville area to make a visit.
Had a similar experience during the class recently. Rolling with another white belt and he starts to pick me up while in my guard. Half way thru the ascend my gut told me to open up while it's not too late. I stopped him and we had a quick chat about it. It's not to blame him (he's a cool guy).
Just another reminder your videos make a difference! ☺️
Thanks for bringing this up, it needs to be addressed more and more in BJJ. Proper gym etiquette and educating both instructors and students about how to roll with a visitor is always a great idea. Seen people hurt many times and I myself have gotten hurt by rolling light with a visitor who came like he was rolling in the final of the ADCC. Thanks Chewy!
Proper gym etiquette? The coach is a coward for not defending his son.
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Man... I got a concussion from BJJ back in July. Accidental heel kick to my face that broke my nose. A concussion is no joke. I was on short term disability with work for 3 weeks and I couldn't do anything but lay in bed
So, you're saying for 3 weeks you got priority parking?
@@maxmeier532 lol I wish. I couldn't drive for 3 weeks. Started having severe migraines that woulda made me a risk. Took me about 5 weeks to get back on the mats and this was back in July. I'm still not fully recovered like 3 months later. I can start to feel my head hurting if I push my cardio too close to the edge while rolling.
@@BboyDaquack feel better, I know that feeling after a concussion
@@jamesbunda806 it sucks man. I was planning to compete for the first time just before it happened. Now I'm just worried about further head injuries
Hope you're doing better
This is ridiculous. This is why there are weight classes, but when you train with partners outside your weight class you must be gentle. That is not just for BJJ, I was told this during wrestling because there were 5 upper weights(285,215,189) so I would occasionally have to partner with lightweights but just worked defense and let them work there offense because of the size difference.
Of course. I go fast, point hits in Muay Thai specially when I go with much bigger guys.
If I piss them off they could kill me, even when i have similar or superior skill.
Its not the size that matters, its all technique even in Judo
@Lizz Alt Technique only gets you so far against an enormous size difference. Especially in judo because those throws are high impact, let me slam a 140lb judo black belt with an osoto gari or a koshi gurma and it won't matter that I am a blue belt in judo, I am just innately more dangerous than they are because I have 110lbs.in this example. Your idea of beating a bigger and heavier person assumes they don't know how to fight. It is unacceptable to do techniques like powerbombing someone out of a triangle if they are smaller than you because you will injure your partners.
I was a 160 pounder, never wrestled anyone under 135lbs
@@steve00alt70 total horse shit man. weight classes exist for a reason.
Met you and got a pic at the airport... you were awesome! Just got my purple belt two days ago ... started watching you 5 years ago at white. APPRECIATE YOU!
This is how I got a permanent shoulder injury before I got my purple belt. I was slammed by a purple belt 2 days after getting my blue belt and the club I was with did nothing. Needless to say, I switched clubs. I have learned to adapt to the injury and still have a good game, but it never should have happened. Period.
I started watching you before I even trained. Was 265 and wanted to learn when I found your channel, looking for videos about first class nerves, how to prepare, what to pack my bag...
Now I'm 190ish, with my first fight via CAMO October 29th.
Thank you for your advice and being a good soul; I'll meet ya at some point I'm sure
good work man. proud of you
did you win, son?
@@grahamwatson9023 that event got rescheduled to May 27th of this year, so it actually never happened.
That being said, I just have my debut this weekend instead at the Hard Rock Cafe in Wheatland California, I lost the decision but honestly I beat the shit out of the guy and he's medically suspended and I'm fine ready to roll to the next one, I learned a lot did good work; I came for blood and glory and I fucking took it 💪 He won a decision but he went home with stitches and a medical suspension, I went home with fans congratulating me telling me they love how I fight
Thank you Chewy for all the great advice, and the hours you put in to your videos to help others. You are the true spirit of martial arts. You are very much respected by all.
Ego, that's what it comes down to. There's so many people out there that will do stupid shit because they are getting caught in a submission or "losing" (even though it's training ) My daughter is 11 she's been training for 3 years and does adult class sometimes. I also train, I am a blue belt, I do not let her train with all the adults, there are only certain people I trust to train with her. I'd rather her sit out and be safe then get hurt by an idiot that doesn't want to "lose".
Agree 100%!!! Your first roll with someone is like a first date... you are feeling the other person out to see what they are about, checking out their energy, and surveying their techniques. Accordingly, your should be reserved, cautious, and patient. No one should be going full throttle on a first roll. I also definitely think there should be a conversation about the rule set... just like getting "consent". Something like "Hey man, I'm fine it we play heal hooks. Just please know that I will tap early and there is no need to crank it." Similarly you could say, "I have been working on my heel hook defenses. I may try to fight out of it, but I will concede if it locked in... no need to crank it." The same goes for wrist locks. There is no need to crank the submission - I know I had it, your know I had it and your wrist isn't broken, we both go home happy.
You don’t know you have it. Many times subs are not going to break anything, just cause enough pain for someone to tap
@@attackscorpion5323 damn you’re in another comment spouting bull shit lmao. You sound like the absolute worst training partner. Yeah no telling if you have the heel hook on that white belt. Pop his knee so you can feed your ego that’s the important thing in training.
@@attackscorpion5323 You may not break it, but no one wants a sprained wrist, sprained neck, sprained ankle etc. Plus, peoples range of motion vary drastically. You can usually feel when you are hitting the wall on there physiological limits.
We have a jacked purple belt at my gym who is a retiree from my Police Department. First time he was rolling with my no-stripe white belt wife, he double legs and scoops her up for a slam. I was filming and was *so* relieved when he hit the peak of his ascent, quietly reminded her that “This is bad, don’t let anyone do this,” before cradling her and putting her down like a baby in a mock “slam”.
I’m on the video saying “That’s a good rolling partner right there. Nice!”
The worst part is how the dude just sat there with his hands on his thighs while the kid rolled on the ground holding the back of his head.
That's what I always do after injuring somebody hahaha
he is an asshole. but what was he supposed to do?
The worst part is how the coward father was to afraid to get payback for his son
That's the smart thing to do. Never move someone with a potential neck injury, you could paralyze them.
@@jasonvoorhees5640 Right, it's always smart to treat an assault with another assault and risk potential lawsuits and loss of your business.
At my gym we only drill defending against slams (very safely and slow) learning to let go and lean into some form of ankle pics trips etc but we dont allow it during the rolling. I can say drilling really makes you aware of the possibility of it happening.
been watching you since i was a white belt and first started- i am currently a purple belt ! it’s been a journey!
My first time checking this channel, I can tell you are knowledgeable, more importantly... You are a good teacher, your students are very very lucky.
WOW! Appreciate this info bro! I’m very new & in the Alta program, too, so I’m learning about this whole
New world of jujitsu & loving it!
Wise words from the Pro.
Had a visitor purple belt train at our gym recently. Didn’t really know him but was one of our Prof.’s students from overseas. I was expecting someone technical but he used comely dick moves in our first specific training. You’re right - if training with someone you don’t know, should always be on the defensive with no expectation. Your advice videos always come out at just the right time, like you know what I’m going through. Thank you, Nick Albin
Let me guess. You let him do it, and got no payback? And neither did anyone else in the gym
@@jasonvoorhees5640 live and learn
@@timyee88
was it because you were to afraid?
This was a malicious attack, especially if he was a purple belt. He should know better. He could of shook him off or another escape. If I was instructing that day I would of challenged him to a fight. Hopefully the blue belt learn to tie up that near sided leg so that doesn’t happen again. Chew has it right, good insight!
Or the blue belt coulda let go
The majority of kids don’t think that critically or that fast. Not to mention the explosiveness of that slam would of been hard to react to without having experienced something similar before.
@@nicholasmoreno7904
Well idk any kids who are blue belts, that’s an adult ranking. Either way, lesson learned and I’m sure the blue belt will let go next time
In MMA once a guy picked me up like that but he was standing. I let got and went to standing position. If not, either my back or his arm would break.
@@attackscorpion5323 The problem here is also the size disadvantage and going 100% strength. Imagine the big guy doing an arm bar or whatever with 0 restraint. Even if the little guy taps, he would be injured.
I totally agree with the statement you made about the guy that watched rampage Jackson !
People will copy cool moves they see and forget what the outcome actually is
Ie : head kicks , slams and power takedowns
Before doing a move in sparring you should always think to yourself “what’s my end goal here”
One of my favorite training partners is my buddy who is a 1 stripe blue belt. She has been practicing for years. She out weighs me by 40 lbs and me being a little 1 stripe white belt she gets it. She puts the pressure on where need be. She lets me work sometimes she tells me which way to roll, and other times she lets me roll the one way to teach me. She is amazing and I couldn't imagine her slamming me on my neck. It's about trusting your partner. Learning from them. I've had many great partners at my gym and I'm thankful for that. but slamming as a higher belt is ego. It's the "big dick energy" My blue belt partner can and does finish me everytime BUT she teaches me something during every roll and that's what it's about. You preach about ego, and that's something I had to learn 6 months in. Thanks for your real talk Chewy. I appreciate you and my training partners of all belts for teaching me lessons on and off the mats! 🤙
you are always responsible for your training partners safety...we all gotta go to work in the morning.
I just talked to my wife about this and etiquette with new folks coming into the gym. Open Mat last Saturday and only a few showed up, new guy showed up and I was the highest ranking blue belt and decided to have the first roll, dude immediately jumped into a head lock and cranked the hell out of my neck, didn’t tap because of my ego but paying for it now
Chewy, since I know you read the Stoics, I’d say this part of a Marcus Aurelius quote fits well when rolling (or being!) with anyone, new or otherwise:
“When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself: the people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous and surly. They are like this because they can't tell good from evil.“
Remembering this quote reminds me that it’s my responsibility to prevent injuries, to speak up for myself, and to give people a break when they mess up. To not blame, but protect and inform. It also is a great reminder to apologize if I fall into being a jerk or making a jerk move by accident.
I’m glad no grave injuries happened. I hope the blue belt feels better, because concussions suck. And I hope that the purple belt has learned his lesson to be a bit more conscious in his rolls.
Thank you for the good advice.i keep goin in like a gentleman and then remembering not everyone is of the same mindset
I really like your take here. I feel like sport vs self defense BJJ will contend with each other for a while when Tim Kennedy was on JRE he said Royce Gracie said something along the lines of if someone can punch you in the face during a move you arent doing jiu jitsu. But personally I feel jiu jitsu is jiu jitsu, it's a continuum. Like everything else there is a time and a place for everything.
He said Royler told him that Helio said "If some one can touch your face you aren't doing jiujitsu right"
While reading this all I can think of is when Sakuraba was reigning down punches on Royce during their 90 minute match.
I get nervous every time when someone from another gym comes rolling at my gym! I think I might have some trust issues with guys I don't know and also I don't want to disappoint my coach by getting my ass kicked lol
Man...I have felt the same. My personal rule now is that I won't wrestle from the feet with someone I don't know
You'll never "disappoint" your coach by showing up and training.
@@trxscreed well said brother.
@pauly Yea cause it's that simple
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Glad I watched this now. I am going to Brazil this summer for an extended trip and plan to train there. I have only ever trained at the same place where our coaches regularly tell us to take care of each other.
You made a video for me like 5 or 6 years ago and it’s true. I absolutely respect your opinion and advice.
As a judoka, I went to a BJJ gym while out of town for some weeks. Things went well until a white belt wristlocked me. I was not only caught off guard, but it hurt like hell; had to take the rest of that round off. Knowing or clarifying rules of engagement really is important for everyone involved. Hope that kid has a quick and efficient recovery
What kind of wristlock? That sounds messed up
@@AmbicionEterna I think it’s called “gooseneck”? You bend the wrist toward the palm. While it’s a valid technique, it was messed up of him to do that. It’s not like I was smashing him, we were pretty even-skilled while rolling
@Lejon that’s what I had in mind while I was down there. So the wristlock seemed so out of the blue and, again, it hurt like hell.
You got wristlocked by a whitebelt bro, I'm sorry I'd keep that quiet 😂 keep those wrists straight and strong.
All seriousness though no subs should be smashed on, if you had the chance to tap and didn't then the sore wrist is on you. If you had no time to tap then that's another issue. You should always have mercy on a training partner and never smash on a submission wrecklessly. Use your training partner to get better and if need be let them work so they develop faster in turn pushing you on at a later date.
@@DezCP3 yeah, like I said: it caught me off guard. I didn’t have time to tap, it happened so fast.
What’s up Chewy! Purple belt here. Just cause you mentioned it in this video, wanted to let you know that I’ve been watching since I was a white belt. Love the content man!
PS: Slamming should not be allowed. It doesn’t take a whole hell of a lot of technique to pick someone up and slam them down..
Great insight and advice!
I remember being a skinny teenager of 15/16 and being a beginner in Taekwondo and a much older and larger black belt hit me way too hard during sparring. I (my mom) was paying for me to learn how to defend myself, not to be a punching (kicking) bag for a black belt. At that age though I wasn't confident enough yet to complain to the Korean master who had several schools and wasn't there that night.
What kind of purple belt has such awful technique to break open the closed guard?
This is a flaw of some jiu jitsu coaches. This guy is obviously huge at 250lbs and buff. He can put the beating on people with pure size alone. Coaches see he is winning so they give promotions. Some coaches truly believe size does not matter. I had coaches like that in the past.
The fact he was trying to redirect blame means he didn’t want to take responsibility.
As a student of Rich’s, I have to say your lessons have been carried on and continually practiced, oss
All the injuries I ever had happened when I went easy on unknown to me white and blue belts. I still go somewhat easy on them but dont voluntarily give them positions in which they can injure me. My other approach is to first break them like you break a horse. This way I may seem like a d... but both of us finish the class uninjured.
I'm a 50 year old life-long martial artist with full-contact fighting experience and a two-stripe white belt in BJJ. I have several diseases that prevent me from rolling like a healthy, fit 50 year old. I'm also only 150 lbs. I would *never* under any circumstances roll with someone I do not know, even if I had zero health problems. Why? I've been around the block, and the dudes that just "show up" or are "drop ins" sometimes just want to fight, go super hard, or have something to prove. They can do that with somebody else. Not this old dude.
Eyyyyyyy Chew Dawg
Seem you at ADCC didn’t get a chance to say was up you were in deep conversation
Next time…. Appreciate the videos 🙏
What the heck Chewie! I noticed in the background you were in Nashville and I missed it.
I started training in 2011. Joined the army in 2012. So, I had breaks in my training. 3 or 4 months here or there. Got my blue belt in 2017. Put in 2 years of solid training and then moved to Alaska where there was no bjj. Then I moved to FL and started training again. At that point I was a really good blue belt. I am a purple belt now. All the actual issues I've ever had in bjj were all related to the fact that I was a blue belt and I tapped eitger a purple or a brown belt. The egos can not handle it when a lower belt beats them. If you tap a higher belt and it's someone you don't often roll with, be cautious on your next roll with that person. They will say you're "strong" or "spazzy" I even got cussed out and threatened by a brown belt that was a lawyer who was also a black belt in judo. I armbarred him and he didn't tap, he started yelling at me and cussing and said that I was intentionally trying to injure him. Luckily my professor saw the whole roll. Be careful when you roll with people who are new to you and always remember to stay humble. There is an inner strength in humility.
Belts are pretty useless outside of the school they were given in. Even within the school, their meaning may be unclear. Is it a level of commitment, knowledge, or competition success? How much of each, and how does that translate when someone is five years old, or eighty years old?
I'm a black belt in Judo. I didn't ask for it, and never wanted a higher degree. I was never very good (I've trained with two Olympians, so I know where I stand). I love Judo though. I want to play until I'm dead. I wouldn't mind dying on the mat.
I don't see much use for belts. They seem to cause problems. Besides the ego issues you've mentioned, they even have a strange effect of "paralyzing" some beginners due to fear.
@@chrisdonovan8795 I agree. I thought about just buying a gray belt and wearing that forever.
That's hilarious that a brown/black belt whined and screamed instead of just tapping out, no shit you're trying to injure him, that's what a submission is, you tap when it hurts 😅 What a egotistical baby, no surprise he's a lawyer 😅
people are going to wonder why a 30+ year old is wearing a kids belt lmao@@BLMann
@@law4546 how about hot pink?
I only train with my grappling dummy, never had any issues.
Not for you, but, what about for the dummy ? Remember to ask him if he's ever in pain. He's probably pretty quiet, and he won't want to speak up if he's in a really bad spot.
I have one too for practicing stuff I learned in class but you really need to do sparring to get good.
The gym I started in had a very nice culture and philosophy that I carried on over when I moved. I would rather lose a submission, get passed, and stuck in side control rather than rip a submission and injure my teammate.
A slam is a strike. In a self defense scenario you should be prepared for it, but in a grappling scenario it should be forbidden.
And I'd expand the advice to: When rolling with a new person be specially prepared whenever there's a situation where that person's ego may be hurt: higher belts in other sports, higher belts who've been off the mats for some time, bodybuilders, etc. The person may start light but they snap if you start ""winning"" the roll. If your ego is controlled enough, you might even discreetly let the person recover, in order to prevent injuries.
Thanks for releasing videos like these, Chewie (@Chewjitsu). I've been slammed by a white belt before, which is a different story. I explained the situation and he apologized. It did not feel good in the moment, that's for sure. And on the opposite spectrum, I had a purple belt recently crank my ankles when I had him in back control with my feet wrapped around as a "teaching" moment.
I'm still recovering three days later, and if I see him, I'm going to be blunt. I don't believe you have to injure those lower than you in rank to get a point across. And this reflects well with a different purple belt I rolled with practicing rear naked chokes and escapes. He was super nice, extremely patient with me, and helped iron out kinks. Comparing the two, he strikes me as a true leader.
Its so stupid and unnecessary. Its ego in my opinion. People want to win too badly. Ive been on the receiving end of leg locks and most where nice enough to slow down. I slow down too as they did and see what's possible, they slowly show me how trapped i am and i tap accordingly. I never aggressively defend when im in a bad position especially when someone is taking it slowly for me because its bad sportsmanship, dangerous and i learn nothing. Im only forcing them to crank it next time. Once i had a guy jerk my knee and i. Had a funny knee for half a year.
A lesson I learned recently the hard way, moving to a new city, trying a new academy, I thought I was being cautious but I should have been more selective with who I rolled with. My training partner on my first roll was a bigger and stronger guy, and he was not taking it easy, I remember thinking as he ripped a kimura on me that he was going to take my whole arm. Alarm bells should have been ringing then that this was unsafe but I was stubborn, next minute he yanks an arm bar and my pec gets torn. $$$$ and months not being able to train, but a very good lesson, YOU have to look after yourself and sometimes that means only rolling with partners who you trust.
Excellent point regarding shoes for the bathroom. Thanks for pointing that out!
We do that in our Judo class. No one ever follows through with slams. I've always wondered why they don't add a similar rule in bjj gyms/competitions
When I was a freaking white belt, my first day, the only thing I knew about BJJ was what I watched being an obsessed MMA fan my entire life. Stuff from UFC and Pride mainly, I was very green to the culture, I was matched up with a kid who was 17 I was 19, he was about 150 pounds soaking wet I was 225 or so. I could feel right away that I was much stronger than him, to the point we’re it was not really fair. I could literally just muscle my way into anything I wanted, and I did, I knew what position was what already. I knew a little lol. I couldn’t submit the kid tho because I had literally no skill with subs even tho I think I could have gotten a key lock very easily as it’s a no brainer move once you learn it you can catch a green person with it. But anyway he ended up getting me in a triangle and I’m that moment I knew that I could lift him up over my head and slam him on his neck. It was the first thing that popped in my head out of instinct.
But I didn’t, you know why? That’s not something you learn from experience, not something that needs to be taught to someone who doesn’t know BJJ, that’s just common sense and morals. This guy is a freaking purple belt. He knew better, and the fact that he tried to play it off is just sad, what did he think was going to happen? If the kid would have just landed with his legs loosened up and the bigger guy got out of it and they kept rolling it doesn’t matter, that’s a dick move. Honestly I got guys we’re I go that would probably have attacked him for that. No joke.
fr its also the older guys that do it ripping wrist locks and stacking people full on way lighter than them
The dude was definitely going easy on you.
Great video BJJ discussion professor Chewy OSS. When I'm in a coaching position I always lay down gym/sparring rules prior to training/sparring to everyone that wants to train. I also make the disclaimer and distinction that fighting for one's life on the street and friendly dojo sparring are two different situations. Also as a BJJ coach I or other upper belts always train with experienced unknown visitors @ our BJJ academy. Anyways ✌🏿 professor Chewy
My eight year old has just started bjj.
It's good to see stuff like this so in the years to come as he grows and progresses I can watch out for this kind of situation and hopefully prevent it from happening.
First session at tristar two weeks ago, first roll session coach says 2 rounds of passing guard, then free roll. My opponent 215lbs 6 months of training, skips the drill goes straight for subs using all his strength. I'm 155 on a humid day and 39 years old. I tapped 3 times but made him work for it lol, if I wasn't hoping to do this for actual fight training I probably would of been pretty pissed. Instructors were keeping on eye on me I think just to see if I was getting too distressed, but yeah definitely wasn't expecting the intensity to be floored to a hundred my very first roll.
had the opposite on my first lesson, all the big dudes was chill with me and the little dude damn near snapped my arm when i saw his triangle attempt and left my arm in too long :D
When I was new, I had a guy with a judo background slam me really hard. I asked him to keep it on the ground as my standup was limited and we didn't start from standing up yet. But he did it again and thought it was funny. So I started utilizing my elbows a bit more. After a few point elbows to the face he got pissed off. "That's not bjj." No, it isn't, and neither was the stuff you were doing, so here we are. We stopped working together after that.
That's awesome. That dude sounds like a real Douche bag.
Word of wisdom. If you're rolling with someone new, you can expect the unexpected.
Anyone blue belt or above should be able to deal with this.
Ive started watching your Videos 2 years ago before even doing bjj.
Im now a 1-stripe Bluebelt and teach the Kids classes!
Regardless of the difference in gym etiquette/expectations, it's abhorrent that a purple belt would feel the need to slam someone to get out of a bad situation, much less a much larger adult doing it to a teenage kid. I feel like by purple you should be confident in some guard breaks and triangle escapes, not to mention letting go of your ego a lot more.
& if not, just tap. We all get caught, no biggie, just try not to get caught next time.
Whenever I do a big slam at my gym I always lift them really high and let them down super softly. Usually my training partner laughs and thinks I'm messing around, but I'm really just not trying to break them lol. This clip is a good example of what could happen
Hahaha 🤣 I do that too! The higher belts get it and go like Chewy said to the judoku rules of letting go or resetting
Facts brother. I do the same.
@@masoncampos7043 sometimes when I have them in the air I'll ask if I can slam them and they'll laugh but I'm asking seriously 🤣
I've been watching all the since I was a brand-new white belt!!! (Current 1-stripe white belt) 🤣 Keep it up 💪
One thing that I love about combat sports is the “love for your opponent.” What I mean is that as warriors, we must have respect for your opponent. It takes guts to get into the ring/cage/matt etc.
People should go humbled at all times when you get into a ring, no matter if it’s sparing/rolling or an actual fight.
This guy did not show respect nor did he show any common sense. It does not matter if you roll with a blue, white or black belt, respect is the most important aspect in any combat sport.
My very first bjj class I got put in an armbar by a blue belt, we were both probably 220ish lbs. I picked the him up and didnt really slam him, but didnt exactly put him down nicely either. I got in ALOT of trouble, they basically told me "this is jiu jitsu we dont do that here" I still think about it today because the instructor made me feel terrible about it
That sounds like a major red flag in the coach if you ask me. It's not a reasonable expectation that people would know the best practices and conventions of rolling on their first day. Obviously slamming people isnt safe, but being put in an armbar doesn't FEEL safe the first time it happens. An untrained person might see a "60% slam" as matching the intensity of his partner. If a coach wants to have people roll on the first day, then they need to take responsibility for people "spazzing out" or trying things that aren't totally safe. I'm not against having people roll on the first day, but I think it needs to be done in a smart way to minimize risk-- have the new people roll with people who will be able to control the situation safely if things get weird. Even then, shit like this can happen. The risk might be worth it, but that's something the coach needs to weigh, and they are accountable for the outcome, not the new student.
I'm not saying your coach is a bad person or even generally a bad coach-- everyone has off days, and everyone has weaknesses. Ideally, your coach should have been firm with you and explained why that rule is in place, but wouldn't have made you feel bad for making an honest mistake.
@@mikeCD62 It's a major red flag to protect people from concussions and spinal injuries? I can just tell you roll at 100% with white belts because you're insecure as f
Chewi, I am 46 years old just joined jujitsu training and that video just made me 😠
I go to a Lira gym and for realism we sometimes do open hand slaps or body shots to get used to strikes coming at us from various positions. It actually accelerates transitions to alternative positions
I read about this yesterday didn't realise the bigger guy was a purple belt, thought he was a newbie....so much worse than I thought.
if you wanna lift him up and hold him, thats fine. he either understands that irl he just got slammed and lets go, or he holds it and you either tap or put him back down and keep rolling. He should be able to recognize that he "got slammed" without actually getting slammed
I remember on an Ultimate Fighter episode when a fight broke out and one guy got powerbombed and KO'd for attempting a triangle choke. The winner later stated, "That's why you don't do jiu-jitsu in a street fight!"
Yeah ok bro. Say that when you're getting arm barred in a street fight and your arm gets broken. Or choked out. Or your ankle snapped. Or your knee busted.
Hi Sir, I'd love a follow up video, what to do if a Rousimar Pallhares type comes to your gym, ty!
And that’s how an ego hurts people.
32 year judoka here (7 years BJJ). It looks like he lost control. That's not acceptable anywhere. He was mad and lashed out. He immediately knew that he messed up. Hopefully his apology was sincere, and he'll be a future asset to people around him. I hope the kid doesn't quit.
How long where u doing judo for?
@@steve00alt70 Thirty two years.
Like with anything, if you don’t recognize the possibility of something occurring you will learn to ignore that possibility. And in the situation of slams, that could put you in danger. having said that, you don’t need to actually slam somebody to teach them how to be aware of the possibility of it happening, just a lift of 6 to 12 inches off the mat just to let them know that this is the time to let go would be sufficient.
To those that talk about realistic training, try doing jujitsu on the asphalt or on a rocky outcrop in where actual real life occurs, then come back and talk about realistic. if we didn’t have the mats to train on that we did, jujitsu would be primarily a standup thing just like judo, well in fact, it would be judo. The training surface is the reason why we have the luxury of rolling around so much and still functioning for our work life the next day.
"No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher." - Mr. Miyagi
bad t-shirt
When I started BJJ (2010) every dojo I ever visited had a variation of "Check your ego at the door" sign posted somewhere. Nowadays, ego is a prerequisite for membership.
Theres a 17/18 year old in my gym that liked to jump guard on people and he's fairly big so it works alot where people go down....about three months ago he jumped on me and i just held him in the air and said "please never do this outside the gym because its gonna end badly" and i haven't seen him do it since....im only a blue belt and idk how old the slammer is but sometimes a little common sense to not drop someone on their neck isnt that hard...big deal you got caught in a triangle either learn to get out a different way or better yet dont get there in the first place and if you do just tap out and reset...its training
you're a good friend.
@@AxaFin my son is 13 and i wouldn't want anyone spiking him so i won't do to anyone
It happens everywhere. My son went to a wrestling camp off season when he was 16. One of the coaches was a collegiate champion. He slammed my son and cause a back injury. No more practice at camp day one.
So how did you pay back the favor? Suckerpunch? Pull a weapon? What?
@@jasonvoorhees5640 A lawsuit would be the more legal option.
@@connor3284
sounds like you don't care about your son.
@@jasonvoorhees5640 Going to prison doesn't benefit your son. What is legal and what is moral are two different things.
@@connor3284
The deflection leads me to believe you wouldn't defend your own family. What If the lawsuit fails? What would you do then?
I sing “Getting to know you” during every new roll. They laugh and it usually takes the edge off while getting the idea across.
Playing guard is one of my favorites but there are a lot of big guys at my gym, so I'm ready to transition to the legs anytime they posture up out of a triangle/armbar.
I once caught a training partner in a choke that was deeper than I realized.
Dude didn't tap, so he took a nap...and my goodness did that feel like it shortened my life!
I guess what I'm getting at is the reaction is really shocking for me. I mean my training partner was only out for 5 seconds or so...but it felt more like 5 hours, and when he came to, I was so relieved that I just about gave him a kiss on the cheek.
I can't imagine hurting someone, much less a kid, and being THAT indifferent to his distress! 😱
As a wrestler who tried BJJ, it was a so surprising to learn I couldn’t slam.
Common sense man.
You slam - you get banned. You hurt 3 people, you get banned. I don’t care how nice they are. 1 out of 50 will usually be dicks. Simply refuse to roll with anyone who has a bad rep. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ROLL WITH EVERYONE. Think Safety ALL the time and enjoy the journey.
Great video
Love CHEWY...
In my second ever BJJ class I had a guy in the exact same type of triangle, he stood up lifting me up and slammed me into the ground.
Herniated a disc in my back, had a tough time with work; even walking was difficult, I couldn't tie my shoes or pull up my own pants. It's an injury that always resurfaces in my life and always hinders me in everything I do.
Sadly that was the reason I never went back and focused more on an individual sport.
I wish you had gone to a Gracie certified school. Most schools ask beginners to spar on day one or two which is insane and leads to herniated dics...
So what did you for payback?
As a white belt I got slammed by a purple belt who outweighed me by at least 20kg. All because I pulled guard, I wasn't injured but it hurt. I have a striking background and it reminded me to trust my instincts when choosing training partners.
Take care out there.
did you jump guard? Cause not gonna lie I'm a white belt, but if you jump guard im gonna sprawl as hard as I can and possibly slam you. Jump guard can cause serious injury if the opponent isnt ready
Had an incident with a visitor at my gym. The guy outweighed me by 70 lbs. Pointed out the weight difference and he said he'd dial it down. We were supposed to do guard passing with no submissions. The guy does a Can Opener on me throughout the whole session and cranks my neck. Felt it for a week.
I also do Judo, but we don't slam during Newaza. The owners prohibit slamming, knee reaping and certain techniques below black brown belt because students get hurt and they don't come back. Why kill their source of revenue?
I got put in a can opener by a guy at my own gym followed by a knee into my chest to defend a straight ankle and i tapped because he was heavier but after that i couldn't turn my head so i didn't really want to roll with him anymore after that for awhile then he asked me to flow roll im like forget flow rolling just don't be a jerk
@@Crystals10000 Don't be afraid to tap to neck cranks. I learned that the hard way. Always tap to neck cranks.
@@bane3991 I did tap to it but it still screwed my neck up and i think its not necessary to do on your training partners in practice
Earned wisdom here. When I was a new white belt, the owner was away for a competition and the instructor gave the green light for 3 guys to train with us. They thought is was the ADCC and they injured a student. Lesson learned: All guests are vetted and only allowed to be on the mat when the Head Coach is present. Me, I'm 54, blue belt, I don't roll with people I don't trust.
Yeah that’s assault