Tim was very unhappy about the autotune being added in post production, he has outwardly said he was not consulted and furious and insulted by the decision. It's not even careful use of something like melodyne, it's stupid and lazy autotune slapped on top with and it sounds shockingly bad. That said, Tim sounds great.
I’ve always wondered if it was Andrew Lloyd Webber doing what he does best… insulting his cast! Guy undeniably created some incredible theatre, but let’s just say I REALLY want to see Patti Lupone’s pool…
I was lucky enough to have an excellent seat for this live show, in Melbourne Australia. I loved every second of it, I even fell in love with Ben Foster as Jesus LOL. I writing this on Friday 29th March 2024 (otherwise known as Good Friday) !! I don't blame Tim for being very unhappy about the auto-tune for the DVD. Tim can sing perfectly !!
Yes I recall Tim especially was outraged that they did that to his voice, he may not be the most powerful vocalist in the world but he has no issues with pitch whatsoever and I just feel like it was unnecessary to autotune his voice so much. He's still my favourite Judas by far because I feel like he's one of the only ones to actually understand the character of Judas. I enjoy his voice but his acting and genuineness is what really sells his performances.
I grew up being wildly annoyed by this show, and when I heard there was a live tour going, I admit that I rolled my eyes. I didn’t think there was any way to make it more palatable for my own taste. Then Tim Minchin opened his mouth and I was like “Ohhhhhhhhh now I get it.” For some reason, Tim’s interpretation of Judas just grabbed my by the lapels and dragged me along for the ride. Every time I watch, I find something new to pick apart and obsess over. I probably put the show on once a week, and I could teach a whole semester on his acting choices in this scene in particular. Tim doesn’t try to make Judas into the swaggering rockstar that I think a lot of actors go for- he makes Judas truly human, relatable, and sympathetic in ways that other actors never even touched (in my humble opinion!). I love your description of him as sort of feral- excellent word for the energy he gives off. There’s a heartbreaking moment at the end of the Last Supper where Jesus screams at Judas to “Get OUT!” Tim’s reaction is out of this world - it is so subtle, so simple, but so incredibly powerful. His face just falls, he gives a tiny nod, and then a slight backward step with open arms as if admitting defeat. It chokes me up every time. Watch him as he moves through the crowd to leave - he has a unique interaction with each person who approaches him, and the emotion in his face is absolutely beautiful. Can you tell I’m a fan? 😂
@@rockshot100 I love that he lets that anger really show in nuanced ways. He gives us just an incredible range of emotion. There’s a tiny moment in “Heaven on Their Minds” when he talks about all that Jesus says “get twisted ‘round some other way” and he does an annoyed little motion with his hands. We get him simmering from the first moment, and then we just watch him boil over and eventually blow up the whole damn kitchen. It’s possible I took that last metaphor a little far.
@@clairethompson5549 No, you did not. Carl Anderson's Jesus actually breaks into tears, but he is not consistently frustrated and angry like Tim's. Amazing how poignantly he does this and still doesn't overdo the dramatics. It is very understated. He is snarky and sarcastic, trying to get his attention. I would love to see it with no auto-tune. Those filters do not always make things better. People are so wrapped-up in tech., they lack common sense.
@@rockshot100 I think there’s a video out there somewhere of him performing at one of the arena shows without the pitch correction. Tim was PISSED at how much they changed for the DVD release, and I don’t blame him- he sounds incredible on his own!
Tim really wanted to play Judas, he begged ALW to play it. Tim’s background is in musical theatre and comedy songs, he studied in performing arts in Australia. His accent is quite distinctive as Aussie. The blu ray extras show the main cast in a vocal session with the trainer, which is interesting. Having seen Tim live 3 times, he does not need auto tune. He was furious with the use of it post production on this.
I don't think his Aussie accent is really that severe. I kind of hear it and you can tell he's Aussie but he was privately educated and his accent isn't nearly as noticeable as other Australian actors/singers.
I also grew up with the 1973 version. I have the DVDs for that one, this one (2012), and the 2000 Great Performances version. Once I was able to deprogram over two decades of the Ted Neeley/Carl Anderson version out of my head Tim became my favorite Judas in my favorite version
The look is pretty on brand for Tim, especially at that time in his career. He was well known for the contacts and heavy eye make up, as it was a way for people to be able to make out his features more clearly while he was sat at the piano. The only real difference i see to Tim's look is the dreadlocks which he oddly pulls off really well.
You HAVE to do gethsemane from this same production of JCS, Ben’s is my favourite version (I’m sorry but while Balsamo is amazing, the anger Forster puts in is just outstanding)
Most British accents, and all Australian ones, are non-rhotic, which is very important for a word like _far_ that you mention. Of course, you must already know this: it's very important for understanding "School Song" from Matilda.
As others have said, auto-tune was a post-production decision. I saw a performance of this in Sydney Australia, and auto-tune was not used live. It was also a decision that wasn’t made in consultation with the performers. This understandably made Tim (and others) feel disappointed by the commercial release. Tim certainly doesn’t need it. One note for you is that Tim is Australian, and so his natural accent is the wide open mouthed long vowel sounds you picked up on. He doesn’t sing with an americanised accent like many other singers do. He sings with his Australian accent, and it is probably magnified because of his singing technique.
The autotune was not needed and has been panned damned near universally. THere are versions without. Later live shows celebrating the show. Wait, what did they create in the look? Minchin walks around like this!
At that time he did but he no longer does, he no longer wears the heavy make up on stage. For sure he did when he was doing comedy but not so much in the past decade since he stepped away from comedy.
I think what I love most about Tim's performance of Judas is that he shows that often neglected part of Judas' character, that Judas is in love with Jesus and is jealous of Mary. It's subtle, but you can see the pain in his eyes because of it especially in the suicide number too
You need to react to the late, great, Carl Anderson from 1973. There is no one that can sing Heaven On Their Minds like he can. He set the bar...and it's a bar many performers fail to reach. I like Tim, but he doesn't have the same level of power that Anderson does. Anderson is on a whole other level....the man is in physical pain because he can't get Jesus to listen to him...and you feel it watching him. The show is as much about Judas as it is about Jesus and if this song falls flat then the whole show falls flat. Tim has very attractive eyes....which is where his performance shines and he is a very good singer.... Anderson just has that level of power that I look for in this song as it is my favourite from the show. It's probably one of the best opening numbers in a show.
Tim is Australian with that accent. Not Canadian. If you want to hear him do this live without autotune he performed it at Tim Rice's tribute program. th-cam.com/video/q5kqVtSbFY8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LAm3kOeRXS5x-AoM
I'm pretty sure this is not autotuned but rather the sound quality of the mics as this is in an arena. It sounds like this for everyone and Minchin's Australian accent will add some twang, making it sound more autotuned. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)
no its autotuned. they autotuned it because of the DVD release. that ain no twang man. its bad autotune. There are people who have seen it when it aired live it was not like this
on the autotune my issue with it is that this isn't like some of the more traditional ballad style pieces some people sing there i could get some autotune because hitting the right notes is important there but in a rock styled piece it simply doesn't matter as much
Auto tune does not always improve the music, here it diminishes and with filters it erases and blends out his wonderfully nuanced voice and message. Imperfections here are crucial. People are so lost in tech, they abandon common sense. I would love to hear what he actually sang. I have heard so many versions of this and none could hold a candle to Carl Anderson, then came Tim.
Great version! Great voice! Love it! Had a go at performing the role of Judas on stage... not sure if I pulled it of tho' ... enter my name on youtube and take a look at 'Heaven in their minds' 'Everything's alright' and 'Judas' Death'... let me know what you think.
Fixing pitchiness and timing of vocals with a computer program. If you overdo it, it sounds strange. Best example of autotune is Believe by Cher, but here the strange vocal sound is by purpose.
Tim is a very talented and experienced musician and really doesn't need his vocals judged. He's also Australian, which is why he pronounces certain vowels that way, but you seem to have failed to notice this.
Not judging his vocals - I haven’t said anything negative about him. Of course I know he’s Australian. He doesn’t pronounce his vowels differently in this context, I am commenting on vowel modification, which every singer must do.
@@nickhiggsthesinger I found it very interesting that you pointed out the vowel modifications and explained why he did it from a "song technical" point of view. It made your video stand out from other reaction videos.
Sarah what exactly is wrong with you? He praised Tim's voice throughout the entire video and literally said that Tim is a genius. Are you dimwitted or something?
Sorry, Carl Carl Carl ;; our original in the movie is and will always be the best; this person is singing not entering the character, “I’m a great singer” should be “I’m Judas and I understand and love him”… very poor performance from this singer
Tim was very unhappy about the autotune being added in post production, he has outwardly said he was not consulted and furious and insulted by the decision. It's not even careful use of something like melodyne, it's stupid and lazy autotune slapped on top with and it sounds shockingly bad. That said, Tim sounds great.
I’ve always wondered if it was Andrew Lloyd Webber doing what he does best… insulting his cast! Guy undeniably created some incredible theatre, but let’s just say I REALLY want to see Patti Lupone’s pool…
Makes so much sense now. Some parts of his singing just doesn't sound right at all and I didn't realize they added autotune post production.
I was lucky enough to have an excellent seat for this live show, in Melbourne Australia.
I loved every second of it, I even fell in love with Ben Foster as Jesus LOL.
I writing this on Friday 29th March 2024 (otherwise known as Good Friday) !!
I don't blame Tim for being very unhappy about the auto-tune for the DVD.
Tim can sing perfectly !!
Also Tim and a few other cast members weren't happy about the autotune, it happened without them knowing, presumably for the DVD
Yes I recall Tim especially was outraged that they did that to his voice, he may not be the most powerful vocalist in the world but he has no issues with pitch whatsoever and I just feel like it was unnecessary to autotune his voice so much. He's still my favourite Judas by far because I feel like he's one of the only ones to actually understand the character of Judas. I enjoy his voice but his acting and genuineness is what really sells his performances.
I grew up being wildly annoyed by this show, and when I heard there was a live tour going, I admit that I rolled my eyes. I didn’t think there was any way to make it more palatable for my own taste. Then Tim Minchin opened his mouth and I was like “Ohhhhhhhhh now I get it.” For some reason, Tim’s interpretation of Judas just grabbed my by the lapels and dragged me along for the ride. Every time I watch, I find something new to pick apart and obsess over. I probably put the show on once a week, and I could teach a whole semester on his acting choices in this scene in particular.
Tim doesn’t try to make Judas into the swaggering rockstar that I think a lot of actors go for- he makes Judas truly human, relatable, and sympathetic in ways that other actors never even touched (in my humble opinion!). I love your description of him as sort of feral- excellent word for the energy he gives off. There’s a heartbreaking moment at the end of the Last Supper where Jesus screams at Judas to “Get OUT!” Tim’s reaction is out of this world - it is so subtle, so simple, but so incredibly powerful. His face just falls, he gives a tiny nod, and then a slight backward step with open arms as if admitting defeat. It chokes me up every time. Watch him as he moves through the crowd to leave - he has a unique interaction with each person who approaches him, and the emotion in his face is absolutely beautiful.
Can you tell I’m a fan? 😂
Tim is angry as hell with Jesus. The rest just show panic. Lots of dimension to him here.
@@rockshot100 I love that he lets that anger really show in nuanced ways. He gives us just an incredible range of emotion. There’s a tiny moment in “Heaven on Their Minds” when he talks about all that Jesus says “get twisted ‘round some other way” and he does an annoyed little motion with his hands. We get him simmering from the first moment, and then we just watch him boil over and eventually blow up the whole damn kitchen.
It’s possible I took that last metaphor a little far.
@@clairethompson5549 No, you did not. Carl Anderson's Jesus actually breaks into tears, but he is not consistently frustrated and angry like Tim's. Amazing how poignantly he does this and still doesn't overdo the dramatics. It is very understated. He is snarky and sarcastic, trying to get his attention.
I would love to see it with no auto-tune. Those filters do not always make things better. People are so wrapped-up in tech., they lack common sense.
@@rockshot100 I think there’s a video out there somewhere of him performing at one of the arena shows without the pitch correction. Tim was PISSED at how much they changed for the DVD release, and I don’t blame him- he sounds incredible on his own!
I love Tim Minchin's emotion and intensity, hes a great actor and singer.
Tim really wanted to play Judas, he begged ALW to play it. Tim’s background is in musical theatre and comedy songs, he studied in performing arts in Australia. His accent is quite distinctive as Aussie.
The blu ray extras show the main cast in a vocal session with the trainer, which is interesting.
Having seen Tim live 3 times, he does not need auto tune. He was furious with the use of it post production on this.
I don't think his Aussie accent is really that severe. I kind of hear it and you can tell he's Aussie but he was privately educated and his accent isn't nearly as noticeable as other Australian actors/singers.
Tim is a bloody genius. Check him out in concert solo. Seen him live a few times in the past twenty years. Try dark side the awesome version
Love him live. Brilliant and so funny!
Judas Minchin my beloved
This is perhaps my all-time favorite song from any musical. I grew up with the Carl Anderson version from the 1973 film. Minchin did amazing, as well.
I also grew up with the 1973 version. I have the DVDs for that one, this one (2012), and the 2000 Great Performances version. Once I was able to deprogram over two decades of the Ted Neeley/Carl Anderson version out of my head Tim became my favorite Judas in my favorite version
That look in his eyes you mentioned? That's fear mixed with anger. He's acting the part as he sings it. Yup, he can act too.
There is a performance of this at Tim Rice event. It's out there on TH-cam so you can hear Tim without the autotune.
Tim also sang this at "Tim Rice: A life in song", and that version has no autotune.
The look is pretty on brand for Tim, especially at that time in his career. He was well known for the contacts and heavy eye make up, as it was a way for people to be able to make out his features more clearly while he was sat at the piano. The only real difference i see to Tim's look is the dreadlocks which he oddly pulls off really well.
You HAVE to do gethsemane from this same production of JCS, Ben’s is my favourite version (I’m sorry but while Balsamo is amazing, the anger Forster puts in is just outstanding)
No one can match John Farnham as Jesus in JCS. His Gethsemane hits notes way past the others and he gets the emotion perfect too.
So true @@Dr_KAP
Such a talented human is Mr Minchin!
I never cared about the auto-tune, you can clearly hear and see his amazing talent and passion! Amazing!
Most British accents, and all Australian ones, are non-rhotic, which is very important for a word like _far_ that you mention. Of course, you must already know this: it's very important for understanding "School Song" from Matilda.
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Remember, Jesus and Judas were best friends, he is angry at him here. He is snide, almost sarcastic, and biting, and I can see why he would be.
This entire show just makes me want to say “save some talent for the rest of us.”
Can you react to Tim singing Superstar next? Great vid!
As others have said, auto-tune was a post-production decision. I saw a performance of this in Sydney Australia, and auto-tune was not used live. It was also a decision that wasn’t made in consultation with the performers. This understandably made Tim (and others) feel disappointed by the commercial release. Tim certainly doesn’t need it.
One note for you is that Tim is Australian, and so his natural accent is the wide open mouthed long vowel sounds you picked up on. He doesn’t sing with an americanised accent like many other singers do. He sings with his Australian accent, and it is probably magnified because of his singing technique.
Mi versión favorita es la de Jérôme Pradon en Jesus Christ Superstar 2000
He sings it that way because he is Australian
We pronounce things like ah and are different in normal speech
This was deep.
The autotune was not needed and has been panned damned near universally. THere are versions without. Later live shows celebrating the show.
Wait, what did they create in the look? Minchin walks around like this!
At that time he did but he no longer does, he no longer wears the heavy make up on stage. For sure he did when he was doing comedy but not so much in the past decade since he stepped away from comedy.
Oh, please do a video reacting to The Last Supper from same the production.
Tim Minchin really set the standard for Judas’ Suicide for me.
Thanks!
Thank YOU! ♥️
I think what I love most about Tim's performance of Judas is that he shows that often neglected part of Judas' character, that Judas is in love with Jesus and is jealous of Mary. It's subtle, but you can see the pain in his eyes because of it especially in the suicide number too
You should check out Ramin Karimloo as Judas in a Tokyo production ❤️
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You should look up Tim Minchin Dark side, it gives an idea of his vocal range
You need to react to the late, great, Carl Anderson from 1973. There is no one that can sing Heaven On Their Minds like he can. He set the bar...and it's a bar many performers fail to reach.
I like Tim, but he doesn't have the same level of power that Anderson does. Anderson is on a whole other level....the man is in physical pain because he can't get Jesus to listen to him...and you feel it watching him. The show is as much about Judas as it is about Jesus and if this song falls flat then the whole show falls flat.
Tim has very attractive eyes....which is where his performance shines and he is a very good singer.... Anderson just has that level of power that I look for in this song as it is my favourite from the show. It's probably one of the best opening numbers in a show.
Tim is Australian with that accent. Not Canadian.
If you want to hear him do this live without autotune he performed it at Tim Rice's tribute program.
th-cam.com/video/q5kqVtSbFY8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LAm3kOeRXS5x-AoM
I'm pretty sure this is not autotuned but rather the sound quality of the mics as this is in an arena. It sounds like this for everyone and Minchin's Australian accent will add some twang, making it sound more autotuned. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)
no its autotuned. they autotuned it because of the DVD release. that ain no twang man. its bad autotune. There are people who have seen it when it aired live it was not like this
You are actually wrong, Tim himself has spoken publicly about the bad auto tune and has stated that he was beyond furious
on the autotune my issue with it is that this isn't like some of the more traditional ballad style pieces some people sing there i could get some autotune because hitting the right notes is important there but in a rock styled piece it simply doesn't matter as much
Auto tune does not always improve the music, here it diminishes and with filters it erases and blends out his wonderfully nuanced voice and message. Imperfections here are crucial. People are so lost in tech, they abandon common sense. I would love to hear what he actually sang. I have heard so many versions of this and none could hold a candle to Carl Anderson, then came Tim.
Great version! Great voice! Love it!
Had a go at performing the role of Judas on stage... not sure if I pulled it of tho' ... enter my name on youtube and take a look at 'Heaven in their minds' 'Everything's alright' and 'Judas' Death'... let me know what you think.
starting the vid with "i just dont understand" ---- I see you...
From an old, tone deaf person, what is auto tune?
Fixing pitchiness and timing of vocals with a computer program. If you overdo it, it sounds strange. Best example of autotune is Believe by Cher, but here the strange vocal sound is by purpose.
I still prefer Drew Sarich's version of 2005 in Amstetten, Austria
Aussie brah
Not an easy song.
Hey you
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So you're a vocal coach
So how do i learn to sing?
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Tim is a very talented and experienced musician and really doesn't need his vocals judged. He's also Australian, which is why he pronounces certain vowels that way, but you seem to have failed to notice this.
Not judging his vocals - I haven’t said anything negative about him. Of course I know he’s Australian. He doesn’t pronounce his vowels differently in this context, I am commenting on vowel modification, which every singer must do.
@@nickhiggsthesinger I found it very interesting that you pointed out the vowel modifications and explained why he did it from a "song technical" point of view. It made your video stand out from other reaction videos.
Sarah what exactly is wrong with you? He praised Tim's voice throughout the entire video and literally said that Tim is a genius. Are you dimwitted or something?
Sorry, Carl Carl Carl ;; our original in the movie is and will always be the best; this person is singing not entering the character, “I’m a great singer” should be “I’m Judas and I understand and love him”… very poor performance from this singer