Horse Logging with Roy Pilgrim
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Joe interviews Roy Pilgrim of Pilgrim Logging in West Fork, Arkansas.
We open with footage of Roy, his Belgian draft horses and a friend loading logs onto his truck.
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Roy started logging at age 17 when his dad bought a band saw mill to mill red oak that was being infested with a borer. They started with a tractor then went to mule power and now uses draft horses, his favorite.
He owns his own outfit and works for himself. He talks about why he does that and how it is beneficial to him.
Roy talks about how the "mini-mill" , originally used in the 1980's to take advantage of the small tree tops that were previously just left and now could be used for making pallets However, the mill is now used to process small diameter trees, therefore depleting the future stock of trees to great harm to the woods.
We meet Roy's wife Aviva and learn about how they met and their vagabond way of life as young people, traveling the US, Canada, Mexico, Central American and Europe by freight train. They met at a fiddler's convention and travelled together. Roy plays the fiddle, guitar and banjo.
They moved back home to his parent's farm and saved money to buy their own home. Aviva makes guitars.
Roy works his horse logging business on from 10 to 700 acre properties, mostly for other working families and farmers with woodlots. He competes with the skidder loggers in the area. He takes the trees from the stump to the mill.
He has been logging full time for two years and in some capacity for eight years. He makes the same as he did as a carpenter.
Roy talks about how important good farming and forestry practices are important to ourselves and the environment. And he wants to get the message out that it is a reasonable occupation and lifestyle to be a small farmer or logger.
He thanks his four mentors and says without their help and advice, he would not be making a living as a horse logger.
Bob Tabor
Woody Roberts
Jeff Fergey
Carl Eldridge
Lastly, we are treated to a fiddle and banjo duet from Roy and Aviva.
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I was really impressed with Roy’s intelligence. After hearing that he was educated by his family and self educated, I’m not surprised! The guy is so well rounded and so far out ahead of his peers! Good job Roy!
Great to see an intelligent, hard working man. Too many leeches and freeloaders in this country today.
Yes sir you are definitely an inspiration to us loggers.
I met Roy back when I was traveling in a similar fashion. So glad to see him thriving in this phase of life!
Definitely impressed with this young couple. Living the good life. Keep on keeping on
Sounds like a wise man , God bless !
I really really liked this program. Nice to see a young couple making their own way, earning money and not going in debt to have "everything now". Saving money and spending money, not buying with " plastic" .
I think that you shpuld get your logs up off the ground a little more . I sid logs with a horse when i was 12 years old . Your horse is having to.pull to hard and the logs are getting too dirty ....harder to saw
You are right. The guy with the dozer and skidder and truck with pup is working for the bank. My Dad and I cut and sold firewood in a small way on the family ranch in Montana that kept us busy in the winters and paid out in a steady, if small, way.
I run a small circle sawmill in western NC and it is in your ball park man it’s all hard work. I’ve been at 40 yrs and I look at it the same way you do.
I'm 61 with a new sawmill and 10 acres. But I'm not a new guy to hard work I've been framing houses my whole life from 5yrs old in
Nags Head NC to east TN. I need your help so I'll help you for a month free you just might help feed me lol.. Ashville is a hour away from me.
I don't think that I have ever listened to a more articulate "unschooled" person. There is something to be said about finding joy in what you do.
Yes Matthew Engelberth Roy is very wise. He has his ducks in a row for sure.
Engelberth??? Whooo what a handle!
This really brings back memories my grandparents were logger's and I grew up logging. That side loader. Was a big improvement over skids and a horse.
How exactly does it work? Power take off from the truck?
Now that was so great,thank you all
They've got a little slice of heaven right there!
Thank you
You guys are doing what I dreamed of
Very interesting and knowledgeable young couple 👍👍
Your are so right on your opinion!
Never change how you feel! Greed is a down fall in are country! If we all live in are means and take care lands there will always be work and a future for the next generation! God Bless you!
The majority of people go into debt to buy things they don't need to try to impress the people they don't like.
Huh?
@@destrimble4059 what?
I always thought it was u try to impress people you like.
Awesome
Inspiring. Wish them best of luck. Logging is a dangerous business and low profit but they seem to be making it work.
I do agree with the 24 in diameter stump cut.
Cant go wrong with these nice folks.
Very well done Roy Pilgrim.
Very.
Thank you Sir for showing what my father grew up doing him & his brother cut their teeth hacking ties for 50 cent's a day ( hard work but he loved working n the woods,when I was n the fourth grade he took a break from ruff necking n the oil field & we moved to Oregon where he worked as a lumber jack I think that was where he was his happiest but my mother wasn't happy there so we can back to California & he became a ironworker & welder my father was good at anything he set his mind too do, that true American can & will do sperit,100%all Man, I miss him more everyday along with my mother!👍😔
My Grandfather used to do horse Logging for decades, and I used to do this with the Amish people in NY... This is such a great heritage method verses using modern equipment that you need to get out a mortgage for...lol
Watching this I was reminded of a line from the movie Easy Rider: “It’s not every man that can live off the land, you know. You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud.”
I'd love to see more info on the side loader truck!
This was an awsome interview.
Those horse will get some logs done
Wow, love the life....great stuff..
Enjoyed your logging video.
Truly amazing couple
I said the same thing 40 years ago, I'd like to do it again.
very enjoyable wish i could do it myself.
Bob taber is my grandfather in law very good man like yourself
I hope you have a debarker. Pulling logs along the ground is a drag. Surest way to dull a blade
Me an my wife have got what we have by working the same way working sawmills my wife stack slabs 10ft slabs i stacket lumber ties cut lots of timber hand loaded cedar logs hauled to a mill in marble ark hauled to ozark omha on a half ton pick up an made a decent living doing so we agree with you o. How to make a living no banks in the middle of it still got saw mills calling us to work my dad cut lots of pulp wood in the 70s an in to the early 80s in johnson county we ussed a swingin boom truck glad to see other people s simply way of life
I ended up here after coming across a vid about Bob Tabor. Pretty cool, but I hope he doesn’t alway barber chair his trees as he fells them…
Wonder if they have ran across the spoon lady or shoe string on their train rides. Cool video
Prior to the ' Industrialization ' of the U.S., everything revolved around Horse / Animal Power , since the U.S., became ' Mechanized ' the Animal Power was basically eliminated . In Europe they maintained Animal Power as they ' Industrialized / Mechanized ' , so they have a much larger ' Animal Power ' based Industry . In the U.S., there are essentially a couple of names in Animal Power like " Pioneer or I & J " which build components for Animal Power , In Europe there are as many as 10 times more companies that make components for Animal Power .
California Governor Gavin Newsome has signed into LAW a Bill that Bans the sale of Combustion Engine Vehicles by the year 2035 . President Joe Biden has said on many occasions that he will ' Model ' the U.S., based on California's System . Mackinac Island in the State of Michigan had ' BANNED ' the Combustion Engine Vehicles when they were introduced , today the Island is still reliant on Animal Power . The horses have to come off of the Island for Winter because there's no place left on that Island to house or feed the horses , so in Spring they bring back the horses every year .
So basically the largest purveyor's of animal Power in the U.S., happen to be the ' Amish ' . Jason Rutledge is attempting to make ' Animal Power ' Fashionable and his critics call him a ' Relic of the Past ' but he corrects them that he is actually the ' Path Forward for the Future ' . When you take into account the Policies of the President / Joe Biden and you factor in the Policies of Governor Gavin Newsome there would be some sort of realization that there isn't a ' Path Forward ' for the Combustion Engine Vehicle , so what do you replace it with ? Governor Gavin Newsome has also created California Policies ' Aimed at the Commercial Vehicle Industry ' and President Joe Biden has been ( what some folks call ) waging ' War ' on Domestic Energy Production ( aka Gasoline , Diesel Fuel , Coal and Natural Gas which folks refer to as ' Fossil Fuels ' ) , it would only seem prudent to have a replacement Power System in place to replace the Combustion Vehicle Engine / aka Cars , Trucks and Tractors . They may be able to replace Cars and Trucks with Electric Vehicles but how will they replace the Tractors ?
Roy maybe you should move to north west Pa. Horse logging is still done by many loggers here. I don't own or work the horses but I've spent half my life cutting logs for the horse loggers to skid. Here in Pa we need loggers bad. Biggest problem the mills have is getting contract loggers.
Same problem in South America... people always want to wipe out the big trees when in reality the smaller ones are the most useful: furniture, carpentry, small objects constructions and by products; less hazardous also. The bigger trees, at least where I am, are difficult to handle, always end up in the foreign markets, and separated from the local economy, so that type of logging also promotes inequality. I have said before that horses and even Asian elephants are better for logging than tractors, given that logging in tropical areas is usually located in very accidented areas.
Is your forest. .?
Why do people always seem to beg the government to take our rights away? If you don’t think small trees should be cut (and I agree) then don’t cut them and work hard to encourage other loggers not to.
Lots of firewood
How much does it cost you to take care of the horses?
I used to do horse logging in the 70/80s in New Zealand.Worked myself to death for nothing.Wrong place ,wrong time.
No one would be cutting any wood in maine if it was illegal to cut under a 24” stump.
How can we get in touch with this guy
I feel same way as him like polp wood y not let trees get big and turn the trash into pulp instead of harvesting 10" trees for pulp let them grow and take the logs and use the tops and not so good wood as pulp .i feel same as him they over produced their self out of work see the huge companies that is all they harvest pulp and they need x amount of truck loads to stay afloat
In the hey day of logging this made sense. Or if he owns the timber it would. But if your getting (making up some round numbers here) $65/ton at the gate for hardwood logs and this would be oak not pallet grade and paying a landowner $25/ton you get $40/ton. That truck holds around 5 cord maybe or 12.5 tons Loaded HEAVY. So that's about $500 gross. Logging and trucking should be minimum $16/ton with equipment so for horses I have no idea what they come out to per ton bit let's be very conservative and say $10 ton. So really he is netting $375 per load. Not sure how many loads he can haul per day? Depends on distance to the mill. 2 perday is a guess. Would 2 people work that hard for that kind of money!!?? That's why no one works anymore.
And this would be numbers for oak when it was really high. It's come down some. And like I said if your hauling pallet grade stuff like him, poplar and lesser grade oak the price is maybe 2/3 of that.
That's still better than workin for wages. It ain't settin the world on fire. A lot said for doin something you like.
If owned a small sawmill he might be able to really value add the timber
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Where did they get the money was it government assistance