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I know the obvious stats paint Sam Montembeault as pretty bad but I'm telling you he was really good last year. He was a legit above average goalie if you look at Saves Above Expected. Most Habs fans will agree he played a big role in us not finishing last and drafting Bedard hahaha
He had a weird season. Kind of played good against the better teams and robbed them of some wins but not that good against medium or bad teams.
Panthers legend
Yeah, plus he played the entire second half of his first season in Montreal WITH A BROKEN WRIST THAT NEEDED SURGERY. Like, nobody was expecting that to play out how it did, and when the chips were down, Monty put his team above his individual health, reputation, and stats. Could you IMAGINE how embarrassingly that could have gone without him??? There were simply no goalies to be had at that point in time unless you were shelling out top-tier $$$$ (which the Habs were not doing lol). Poor guy couldn't even get a night off; it felt like every time they'd try and give Primeau the start, he would let in 3-4 goals and get pulled less than halfway through the game! (And FWIW, I -like- Primeau, just don't think he's going to ever really be an NHL level tendy at this point.)
You should rank every teams best defenseman next.
Or do every teams top 4 dmen
Or top rookie
Slavin better be in the elite category if so
Pelech and pulock would have to be the Islanders most solid d pair there so underrated in my eyes
Can't wait for who he thinks ottawas best d man is
Considering you could say any of 3 guys
Sam Montembault played with 5 rookie d-men in front of him for different stretches this season. An impossible task. Given this, what he had shown in the past, and what he gave to the habs in 22-23 (and team canada after), I'd say he deserves a better fate. He played lights out all year. It was his breakout season, despite what the numbers might show.
Carter Hart can definitely go up to Good/Great if he can get a good defense ahead of him. Certainly not been easy for him the last few years
The fact he still puts up solid numbers on a terrible team gets him to AT LEAST the great tier. Obviously I’m a Flyers fan lol, but Hart is the real deal. Franchise level goalie. Hands down.
Hart has been hot and cold last season. It was a tale of two seasons (hot first half, cold second half)
@@leafsfanforever2896 Hes been that way the last 3 seasons now. Starts out hot and falls off in 2nd half. Likely from being asked to stand on his head every night.
The first of the 3 seasons, he was bad, then went worst goaltender in March, but after the reset he improved until he was shut down due to injury. Brian Elliott started strong, then collapsed down the stretch that year (2020-21).
tl;dr John Gibson is not alone when it comes to a bad goaltender on a defensively lacklustre team
@@leafsfanforever2896 Yeah its been impossible to play behind our defense in previous years. Especially pre Torts when we had a million breakdowns a game. Hart would play unreal for awhile but eventually broke down when you have stand on head every game.
While I’m a fan of Otter, and definitely think he’s headed in that direction, i don’t quite consider him elite just yet. I’d def have him on the high end of great though
Nah he is Elite.
Having Skinner above Demko is crazy.
I feel like you should’ve accounted for the teams they play on more. Some guys are being overrated because they play on good teams meanwhile others are underrated because they play on bad teams
Yep. Georgiev, Skinner and Vanecek all going into great tier after 1 year as starter with decent numbers behind great teams is bizarre. Not sure how they remotely deserved that. Then a guy like Keumper with a FAR better track record is in good. I have no problem with Keumper being in good, its just you cant put those guys over him ...
Giorgiev was very good in NY. He’s a very good goalie. Descended to be rated this high imo.
@@integratedhealth659 Georgiev had a .905 and .898 his last 2 years in New York ... He definitely does not deserve to be in the "Very Good".
Watching Gibson all season he at least needs to be in the Good tier. He had 3-4 50plus save games last season and faced an insane workload. The fact he kept his numbers where they were I think is incredible playing behind the worst defense in the league.
Yeah, Gibson got done dirty by the Ducks. We haven't had any sense of a quality defense in forever and I know how bad it will hurt motivation when you know that no matter how good you are.... your team is just not going to win
Gibson should be in bad he has a losing record
Demko is better than every goalie in the great tier the only reason he was bad last year is he was badly injured and when he came back from Injury he was lights out.
What a ridiculous position for him. 😂I'm 1000% sure that fans of each of those markets would take demko over their starters in a heartbeat.
@ironlungs10 I know I would I'm a kraken fan and I was hoping he would be available for us to select he is a beast easily one of the most underrated tendys in the league
Can’t wait for ranking the backup goalies! :)
There is only 5 elite goalies those are Vasy, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Saros and Hellebuyck.
I personally would replace Saros with either Ullmark or Oettinger
Agree those are definitely the top 5 best goalies right now
@@JordanFish-mk9xlyeah, replace him with Ullmark, Otter is close, but I wouldn’t put him there just yet
@@JordanFish-mk9xl💀💀💀 Saros is the best goalie in the league
yeah, thats kinda what I was thinking@@Puckrocker
Love the tier list videos bro. You should do ranking each team’s captain, and ranking each team’s first line. Both would be sick!!
Love the vids OhNyquist! Just one thing, I recently played where the Devils were practicing and saw some of the team, by the sounds of, Schmid will get the starting job
Was thinking the same thing. He'll get serious consideration, at least.
Stuart Skinner definitely played over his head last season I wouldn't put him any higher than average
Why do you say that? He’s a rookie, there gonna be a few growing pains when he gets into the NHL and he still ended with a .914. I feel like he’s only gonna get better with more experience
Devils fan here, I would put Vanecek in Good, not Great, his play is very similar to Tristan Jarry. Would not be surprised if Shmid ended up starting quite a few games this season, either.
Agreed, while Vitek had good numbers this past regular season the team in front of him was really good.
Well....here's the deal. Vitek had a career season yet still stunk in the playoffs as per his usual. Personally, I believe he was massively overplayed down the stretch due to the unavailability of Blackwood & was just cooked.
Now take in consideration at NJ will have two 19 year old rookies on the blue line next year in Luke & Nemec. Plus Bahl will be looked upon and a first time regular.
Safe to say the D will take a massive step backwards.
So while NJ is super stacked offensively...the goaltending & young D is still suspect and will need to steal a few games.
Good to see you didn't forget TB this time :) Over all the rankings are spot on. Well done. I would like to see you do a tier list for Coaches.
Bob has been so underrated with Florida. Yeah his first season was underwhelming but last year he was above average in save % and GSAA, the year before 39-7-3 record with a .913%, then his huge run last postseason. The panthers defensive core and overall team defense/pk has been below average every year (even during presidents trophy season). I don’t understand how a rookie skinner, georgiev who’s only been a starter 1 season, and vanecek who has under a .850% in the playoffs the last 3 seasons can be above bob. People only compare bob to his contract and look down on him when he has been sneakily really solid
He’s not underrated, the playoff run saved his career. He’s been extremely underwhelming and the contract does not make it look any better for him. He’s still a pretty good goaltender, but he was expected to be much better.
Great video! Also sounds like you got a new mic! I could be wrong lol
Kinda feels wrong having Gustavsson next to the other goalies in great
I love vitek so much. Hope he bounces back to live up to the great tier :)
V had a career year. Doubtful he would somehow do better.
@@yoholmes273 I'm referring to playoffs but he's only 27. Definitely a bunch of great years ahead of him
@@TheMTHSYoshi Vitek always stinks in the playoffs
@@yoholmes273 I have faith in the vitek
A starting goalie tandem would be good as well.
Demko should be in the great tier tbh, kind of ridiculous to put him in good.
I know right? Demko has shown lengthy stretches of excellent play, not just brief supernovas
Vanacek’s reputation was ruined by the playoffs. He still got 3 shutouts in reg season and first Devils goalie to 30 wins in a season since Brodeur. Not bad at all.
Coaches tier rankings next? That or prospect pool?
Great work by one of my fave haligonian hockey content captains. What are thoughts on our mooseheads this season? Take care bro😊
Any time you do a tier ranking and you don’t end up with a bell curve, you should always review your ranking criteria.
You’re also sabotaging yourself a little bit with the names of your tiers-the “Good” tier is functionally your average tier, but you named the tier below the middle as your “Average” tier, which messes up your distribution. The fourth tier from the top should be “Poor” or “Below Average” or something like that. If you did that, you could probably move a couple of players from your Average tier to your Good tier, which would help you achieve closer to a bell curve.
Also, with your Elite tier, you used two competing criteria-good goalies with excellent numbers and excellent goalies with good numbers. If Ulmark deserves to be on the Elite tier because of his numbers, then Vassy should probably be dropped a tier lower because of his numbers.
You’re right about this being a tough thing to work out. Anyway, this should spark a good conversation. Nice job!
I understand why you didn’t but I’d put Gibson in great. He is a super good goalie that has a team with some of the worst defence in the entire league. He himself is actually a very good goalie, he makes tons of saves but since he has no team infront of him, he faces too many shots to save. If you look back at when Anaheim was a good team, he was stellar. In 16-17, he had a record of 25-16-9. In those games, he had a GAA of 2.22 which is very good and a sv% of 0.924, which is also very good. He has been a super good goalie his entire career but he’s been stuck behind one of the worst teams in the entire league for a few seasons now.
It's been 5 years since he did that and his advanced stats have also been poor, the team sucks but he himself has also not been good
they need to trade that poor man
I think you did your best and I think you are almost 100% exact in your assessment. Good video.
Have you ranked the best defensive players yet?
Have you done ranking starting line up for each team? Ik lines change a lot but it would be kinda sick¿
Your faith in markstrom will be rewarded Nyquist he’s a emotional guy with pride he’s gonna be hungry this year plus no more sutter playing mind games with him should help
I'm OK with Georgiev being in great, glad to see him getting respect
This is a hot take I hope a goalie will win the hart trophy this season it’d be a nice change for the NHL but with mcdavid in the league idk if that’s possible
I wanna see SoroKING win it because the Isles wouldn’t even be playoff contenders without him. They can’t score and they’re outshot 50-20 every game. Even with the insane amounts of shots against and the lack of goals to support him, SoroKING has carried this team to relevance. He’s the only reason they made the playoffs this season. Last season, on a team that missed the playoffs, SoroKING was 2nd in the league in SV% and shutouts, and 4th in GAA. He beat out big names like Vasey, Markstrom, and Saros, who were all on playoff teams last season.
@@arensaraydarian4648 indeed
Should’ve had one in 21-22, but goaltenders winning the hart trophy is almost impossible at this point. At least Shesty got a finalist spot, but definitely deserved to win given how much he carried the rangers in that playoff run and season overall.
I think Talbot will play good behind the Kings defense
Thats criminal putting Adin Hill in good with the offseason he had. Logan Thompson also had a all-star season that makes no sense you'd put him with Hill if he was the starter.
Would be cool to see the backups ranked too. Maybe by team
As a Canucks fan, I don't begrudge your positioning of Demko in the "good" tier, but that's because it's hard for people outside Vancouver to understand what he goes through. The Canucks have been the worst defensively responsible team since the pandemic year, and Demko has done well to make them look even half respectable. As long as he's healthy, with the Canucks new direction in attention to defensive detail, he'll show what he's worth this season.
Anaheim has entered the chat, Canucks weren't the worst
Ranking every teams fan base or ranking every teams projected starting line are some ideas
I would like that
The GOOD tier is a good place for Jarry after his inconsistent play, last season. He ended up as the 15th ranked starting goaltender, after being a top five goalie in the previous two seasons. Hopefully, he has a bounce-back year, and returns to form.
Head-to-head, against all of the goaltenders in the Elite and Great tiers, over the course of his career, his record is 26-19-5, and only has a losing record against Vanecek, Ullmark, Shesturkin, and Skinner.
Hopefully, when you do this ranking, next year, his play has warranted inclusion in the Great tier.
Skinner = Great & Demko = Good. Not aging too well lol
Ranking every teams best defence Pair
How about Ranking the Coach of each team?
Since fantasy is coming up this is needed lol
You should do some ranking all about the red wings. Current players maybe….?
i honestly agree with this list. as a wild fan it blows to play against otter and saros lol
There are some questionable decisions, but every tier list is subjective, so everyone please just take it easier
You should do power play ranks, top 6 ranks or top 4 defence ranks
As usual you were consistent and tried to be fair. Agree or disagree you are possibly the best at what you do and you also have the best following (and comments)
Really appreciate this!
Hart posted .907 save percentage and 2.96 gaa on a team with a gaa north of 3.6 he was also top 15 in GSAX. Hart has been very very good on a team with a bottom 5 defense. He had risto, Braun, seeler and a horrid season from sanheim as well. Hart was the only reason the flyers sniffed 30 wins he should honestly be in the great tier I don’t think many goalies would post good numbers behind that flyers team. 20/21 was horrible but he has had two good season since for a awful team
Jarry has a career average of .914 and is good, but Skinner has 1 year at .914 and is great.
Do the same but with the best def and forw of each team (in you opinion) that'd be interesting :)
I think should do top line of each team
One possibly on every NHL teams possible top 6 on defence
I know this list was made at the start of the season but holy smokes some of these got absolutely flip flopped. Talbot? Montembeault? Binnington? Hill? Would love to see these re-ranked!
The list isn't bad, but saying goaltenders like Stuart Skinner and Samsonov are better then Bobrovsky is utterly criminal
We need ranked equipment guys.
I’d easily put Veggie in the good tier. As someone who watches Arizona, he definitely has rough nights, but when he’s on, MY GOD is he unbeatable. I’ve watched him most notoriously stump the leafs, but also steal games from a flames team desperate for points, the kings during their great run to try and win the division, the wings :/ dude can turn it on and absolutely take over games, just not every night
Love your videos ohnyquist but wow that Sammy montembeault take made me screech although I watch all habs game he was the heart and soul and balled out almost daily when he was in that kid has great heart
Well. I'd like to see a ranking of the over 30yo vets still playing.
I already know as a kings fan were a F at goalie! Idk why we didn’t trade for a superstar goalie cause our team would be fantastic!
I may be a little biased but I feel like husso should be in good. He did decent in front of a pretty bad red wings defense especially after the deadline.
Having Hart in the average category absolutely insane.
You should rank every teams defense core
Bro as a leaf fan I'm gna tell you Montembeault is in "good" and if his team in front wasn't trash he'd be easily in "great"
This may be on of the worst takes I’ve heard in a while. He hasn’t proven anything at all yet
As an Oiler fan I'd drop Skinner to good, with the Vegas goalies. The playoffs cooled the hype on him a bit
It was literally his first full NHL season and he's 24. Chill out dude.
Having Talbot in bad even tho he played in the all star game a coupon years ago is a hot take
Have you seen him last year though?
I do think that you could take players salary as a very important factor when you make such a tier list.
No that makes zero sense and is something else completely. This is ranking how good they are as players. You are talking about how good they are for their contract which is something completely different.
Their is no way in hell you can call stewert skinny great with a 900% save percentage
He put up a .914 as a rookie behind Edmonton’s sometimes shaky defence. Idk, I think it’s justified
Carter Hart was underrated here. I get his numbers looked bad, however the eye test tells you that the reason for that was the Flyers defense constantly left him out to dry. The Flyers dont win most of the games they did win without him
I'm a Flyers fan with with them adding Petersen who i also hopes plays to . The last couple seasons seasons Hart has been way to many games in a row then getting hurt. My hope with Petersen as the backup they don't play him that many games and just see how does i think this season Hart show only get 50 to 55 games and see how he plays . As a Flyers fan i also know the teams defense isn't up to par . It's a rebuild year anyway can't wait for the season also Couturier & Atkinson are the wil dcards depending how much rust they have
Its so wierd that you put skinner in good but husso and korpisalo in average😂😂
What weird about that. Skinner is good when compared to both of those players. Husso and Korpi are average goalies at least right now. It might change.
@@aapoheikkila5542 En yhen hyvän kauden jälkee lähtis kehuu tollee, Husso ei ehk niin vahvoilla oo mutta korpi tietääkseni vieläkin hallitsee pudotuspelien torjunta ennätystä ja pelannu tosi hyvin paskassa joukkueessa. On vaa tosi absurdia koska tolla ajattelutavalla Husson pitäs olla samassa skinnerin kanssa, pelas 1 kauden hyvin ennenku tuli detroittiin. Kaiken lisäks se osaa arvioi 1 kauden osalta mutta muissa menneisyys vaikutti, Skinner oli ihan ruikuli ennen tätä kautta , ja tääkin oli vaan sitä että koko joukkue pelas paremmin tällä kaudella
@@aapoheikkila5542skinner was terrible in the playoffs, id say directly responsible for them losing
Rank every teams spending?
Demko should be Great.
Honestly, I agree with the whole list.
Soely looking at numbers ok but i cant help but feel like hart and gibson got a very harsh rating, the teams in front of them have been far from defensively solid.
Montembeault is definitely not bad
Man, europe sure does know how to make elite goalies...... canada needs to have a prime price/holtby level goalie again
You got that right, I’m not even sure who would be the choice in net for Canada in a best on best tournament.
Really odd indeed to see that Canada doesn't have any elite goalies. It feels like this never happened before. Not sure what the reasons could be...
I like how you put Gustavsson in the good tier on the thumbnail just to clickbait people 😂😂😂
Do everyone’s number one centre next
yessss I have Otter for Yahoo fantasy
It's hilarious that people say the Leafs have no goaltending. Like where is that narrative even coming from? it's so confusing. Sammy was legit, that injury messed him up going into the playoffs though. Him and Woll is a real quality tandem with very high upside
Watching all of montembaults games this year I would put him in the good tier cause he plays for the Habs and they kinda sucked the past 2 years and he had some amazing games
Honestly Mrázek and Montembeault, talbot have all been present supprises
I would argue that an .894SV% with a GSAx very close to 0 on that Chicago team deserves average for Mrazek
He was horrid for a good toronto team last year though so bad is where he belongs
@@KyleMacSkill He was bad but he was also injured, the year before in limited action with Carolina he was amazing, whereas we have Elvis somehow not in bad.
If this was tank commanders tier list mrazek would be in elite
Korpisalo is way better than average. Last year he showed what he could do while being healthy. Had really good numbers on a shit columbus team and played really well for the kings.
I’m here 2 months later and can say by goalie 3 it shows
European goalies are built different
I think you are mixing goals saved above expected with goals saved above avg. For example Skinner wasnt 11th in GSAE. He was 11th starter in GSAA. GSAA is really just adjusted s%. GSAE tells how well goalie himself has played regardless of his team.
Top six forward group.
Freddy and Bob definitely deserve more love. Bob was a conn smythe candidate for most of the playoffs and despite having some rough patches, he is a two time Vezina winner and a two time winner against the Presidents’ trophy winners. As for Freddy, if a guy like Alexander Georgiev is ranked as great, I think Andersen definitely deserves to be in the great tier as well.
Any Goalie that Wins over 30 games a year? Is Solid! Good/Elite/Great! And of course? It Depends on the whole team aswell?. But if a Goalie is consistent with 20 plus wins a year? That’s pretty decent for this 100 points a Season 2020’s Era. Vasy had been having 30 win seasons consistently, this is basically a Modern day “Roy” “Hasek” “Brodeur” stats!👍🏼🔥.
Look at Marc-Andre Fleury 2011-12, for example of a poor goaltender
Poor John Gibson. He has had zero help in years. Deserves better than this ranking probably but it's hard to justify until he can play somewhere else and really showcase himself.
kuemper great, 920+ sx% on a bad coyotes team then in Colorado and a sv% close to 920 when Washington actually tried
Probably the most underrated goalie in the league
If he stayed healthy, he could have won the Vezina in 2019-20
Bro put skinner in great lmaooo
Changes I would make is Montembeault moved up to average, Andersen & Keumper moved up to great, Oettinger moved down to great and Skinner moved down to good
Lol buddy, if Kuemper and Andersen are great then Oettinger belongs in the Elite Category 😂
Having more goalies in "elite" than "great" kinda defeats the concept of elite.
You never have 7 vezina finalists.
Skinner, Georgiev and Vanecek in the Great tier is pretty odd. Not sure how they have earned that tier ...
It’s an interesting arrangement, but like otter, ullmark and saros are in elite tier so I think great has some leakage from the better good goaltenders. I’d personally would only have shesty sorokin and vasy up in elite tier.
@@lomakinalex I agree Oettinger and Ullmark dont deserve elite. Saros definitely does tho. Guys like Oettinger and Ullmark should be making up great. Not guys like Vanecek and Skinner.
oof you really went in hard on poor Monty
I feel like this guy doesn’t leave hockeydb