The Blackhawks are named after a singular person. The logo is his likeness. Here in Chicago we are all taught about him and his bravery and defiance of the invading settlers and his refusal to be pushed off his land. Unlike the Indians or Redskins, this team name an logo actually does honor someone. I see nothing wrong with it. None of the Natives I’ve talked to including those not from the Chicago area have a problem with it. In fact, the Sac and Fox Nation are partners with the Blackhawks. They’re literally the people that he was the Chief of.
@burninghammerstudios7033 your comment is absolutely on point! There is no valid reason to change the logo. There really shouldn’t be any debate or controversy about it. I’ve seen a few alternate logo concepts with an actual Black Hawk, looks pretty cool, but still doesn’t look as good as the Indian head. It’s here to stay!
@@D0VES0AP Good. I hate the Trashhawks. They’re an organization run by a terrible tamily. It has nothing to do with the logo, just their code of ethics.
Hot take: I feel like the ranking videos would be easier to rank if you all each gave them a score between like 1-15 and then added up the points to give them a more accurate ranking. The scores would also help you know which teams would classify as a high A, for example, versus a lower A. Then the ranking scores could be: The Best (51-60) A (41-50) B (31-40) C (21-30) D (11-20) Delete This (4-10)
@@Metalgooze They do seem to influence each others opinions a lot so it ends up changing the rank based on the pressure of the rest of the guys. If they each take turns ranking the jerseys and then they all chime in to change their opinion, it might as well be based on points because then the individual ranking doesn't hold any weight.
Just so everyone understands. The Blackhawks logo isn’t made to be racist in any way shape or form. It gets its name from the military group the original owner was in, who were called the Blackhawks named after the tribes leader who lived around Chicago named the Sauk Tribe. The logo itself was approved by many indigenous groups, and is an example of a logo that can represent an indigenous theme without showing them in an overly racist manner. The tribe is well known for wearing feathers as depicted, and the logo does not depict them in a crude manner like the redskins logo that both used a racist name and a racist logo. It’s raised a lot of awareness to the group over the years, and has even donated to their cause a few times. There is no reason for it to be controversial, or for it to have to be taken out of the league. Once you get past the very small minority who have a problem with it (99% people who aren’t from any background that it could possibly offend) people like it. In fact, a lot of people respect it. Most NHL teams choose names that represent their city in some way, and for one of the biggest franchises in the league to not only choose, but keep a name attributing to indigenous people is massive. And to get rid of it is far more counterproductive then keeping it toward indigenous equality. Seriously, what do people find so racist about it? It doesn’t depict the logo doing any racist stereotypical actions. It doesn’t portray its character (Chief Blackhawk) in an overly racist way, it’s just drawn in a cartoon style. So what’s the problem with it? If the Islanders can have the stereotype of a white fisherman in New York on their jersey which is indeed a stereotype, then why can’t Chicago have a popular indigenous figure? They aren’t making fun of him, or disrespecting his legacy. So why? It’s time we all wise up and understand portraying indigenous themes isn’t racist. It’s not. The sooner we start treating everyone as equals, and don’t get all sensitive when a stereotype, especially a harmless stereotype is portrayed in brand or media, the sooner we can have equality between genders, races, religions, etc. It is because of the very people who are so offended by such a thing as the Blackhawks logo we still have culture clashes like this. Enough is enough, let them keep their logo. And let’s move on to pushing indigenous themes across the world to help them spread their message and get the rights they deserve. Edit: thank you to the people who corrected me, it is indeed the Sauk tribe not the Blackhawks which I fixed. Also, I would like to clarify I’m not saying the fisherman logo is racist. It’s not, and that’s my point. If a cartoonish but decently accurate depiction of one of their great leaders is racist, then so is the fisherman logo. It’s not fair to call one racist and not the other simply because one is a white stereotype. As for the argument against my claim that it doesn’t offend the majority of people, it doesn’t matter that it offends such a small minority. This minority it offends are mostly people who think it offends indigenous people and aren’t any part of the community it apparently offends, which it largely doesn’t. Cancelling things because you assume it offends someone else is common practice these days, and an extremely stupid one and it’s gotta stop. As I said before, keeping it, and using it in a way to spread awareness rather then deleting it because you think it’s racist is the far better way to go. Why waste such a great chance to spread an important message?
On the topic of the islanders fisherman, please do correct me if I'm forgetting my US history, but I fail to remember the US government and its citizens destroying fishermen's lives, stealing their waters, making them swim halfway across the sea against their will to a designated place to fish, and also having the navy fight an awfully one-sided against the fishermen. Can you help me remember that?
very very very very well said. me personally (as a native american u can believe me or not) but like the blackhawks logo and i love how they’re representing indigenous people, and although a lot of people did not like the washington redskins logo or team name, a lot of natives including myself liked the logo and team name and also we really liked the cleveland indians logo and name too. for me it makes me feel like we are care for but idk u can say wtv u want to say about this but i really like the blackhawks this statement is kinda all over the place sorry about that lol
@@IceRanger41 that was the point. It was comparing calling the blackhawks logo racist to calling the islanders fisherman logo racist. Which they both aren’t.
I can’t disagree more with the Blackhawks jersey. It’s a respectful representation of an actual person that existed in history. Such an iconic logo, that shouldn’t be changed. The Indians logo on the other hand was with no doubt offensive, a caricature of an Indian / Native American with an idiotic grin.
Whats so special about native indian americans? If they want to protect their land, they should’ve done it but us made it greater than ever and they are enjoying our tech. They should thank us.
Exactly the Indians just made it racist but the Blackhawks if u ever go to the game ecpecaly in November the honor the Native American heritage and have a whole intro video before every game GO HAWKS ❤ 36:57
Unlike other logos using native Americans, the blackhawks logo isn’t used in a cartoonish way and is actually based on an actual person. They pay tribute to the local natives in Illinois every game and have actually been praised by native Americans
@@thedon897 good, I think the redskins are soft for caving. I am from Viking and celt blood, imagine if I gathered a group to protest Minnesota Vikings or Boston celtics, would be laughed at as all this should be
@@coreycollins6917 👏👏👏 I can somewhat understand the redskins changing due to it directly being tied to skin color but the Blackhawks are an original 6 team that pays homage to a brave man. No one is making anyone into a joke or abusing their culture, they’re praising it.
I think it’s the idea that if a couple of professional teams using logos of Native Americans had to change it, then it should apply to others who do so. Look, I hate the Trashhawks myself, but they won’t change the logo.
As someone who grew up a Predators fan, the Blackhawks were a team that was always a thorn in my side and I still hate them for that. HOWEVER, I have so much respect for their logo and it’s origins. Not only do they have permission to use it from the Native tribes in the area, but the Blackhawks do so much good work for that community and they hold that tradition and that history to high levels of respect. While that logo might give me PTSD, I can’t help but respect it.
Exactly! They’re so fucking stupid and stubborn about what they think it means to native people. They’re trying to create a problem that’s not there. It honours them and it looks amazing. Absolutely horrible take by them
The Blackhawks logo honors Chief Black hawk and shouldn’t be compared to the redskins logo or Indians logo. The Blackhawks logo honors a former Native American military leader
When has anyone been offended by the Blackhawks logo? It's generally considered one of the best logos in the league. The only kind of hate I can imagine towards that logo is racism towards Native Americans which BarDown should not be supporting in any way!
The logo is not racist it is ment to tribute the Native Americans of Chicago. The team is named after a military set called the back hawks and the teams owner or their military group was a Native American chief hince the logo
This is a factual statement that too many people continue to ignore. On top of also the heritage nights that they have at the United Center every year now. It's #1 with a bullet
You know you can google these things right? Local indigenous groups like the American Indian Center of Chicago have all come out in favour of changing the logo and name. Idk what you mean by "they have gotten permission to use it", from who? Plus, there's so much they could with just changing the name to the Hawks and hiring a local indigenous artist to make a logo in their art style. We've already seen other indigenous artists, like Mike Ivall in Toronto, make mock-ups of a replacement logo that are super cool and in the same style and colour scheme as the original logo.
@@killerfrenchy Changing the name from a Leader of the Sauk Tribe, one of the most influential tribes in the Illonois area to a hawk feels basically like whitewashing. This is nowhere near the same situation as the Indians or Redskins.
Omfg! The Blackhawks one does not demean anyone or anything at all. It pays honour and respects. And to say that people don’t want to be a teams mascot. News flash! They aren’t!!! Their mascot is a bleeping bird!
@@CalSkywalker my point exactly, I don’t think it’s offensive at all. You’re not bringing anything new to the table except restating what I’ve already said
They always say the Blackhawks is offending people if you go to hawks game if you go to hawks events they always honor who the team is actually named after, tribe leader Chief Black hawk, so it isn’t discriminating a certain group it is honoring a certain leader.
My issue with the Chicago stuff is they got permission, and still had a blessing to use the name and logo for a while (idk id they still do or not), and the people who the jersey upsets have no association to native american culture they just might have some native blood in them.
It's people being "offended" on behalf of the Natives. The actual natives just don't give a flying f*** about somebody depicting them on a jersey. It's just people being offended for the sake of being offended. Everybody knows the branding is very obviously admiration of the Blackhawk tribe and not mocking it.
The hate on the Blackhawks is unwarranted. The hawks have one of the best logos in history. The logos origins pay much respect to the natives of that area and are incredibly historic and deserve lots of respect.
I genuinely wonder if the clowns at TSN put their make-up on in the mornings or at night before they go to bed. My guess is the latter so that they have something funny to dream about to distract them from their sad, pathetic coverage
The Blackhawks' uniform was voted one of the 25 best in professional sports by Paul Lukas of GQ in November 2004. In 2008 the Hockey News voted the team's jersey as the best in the NHL and voted the team's main logo to be the best in the NHL. Greg Wyshynski of Yahoo! Sports listed the Blackhawks home jerseys as the second best NHL jersey in the history of the NHL in 2017. The Blackhawks were voted to have the best uniform in the history of the NHL in a fan-vote conducted by the NHL in 2017.
@@hectorjenkins934 as someone who lives in the area, and hates the Blackhawks, the Chicago Blackhawks have been given, publicly, approval by the native tribes in WI, ND, SD, MN, and IL, I don't know about any other states native tribes these statements were from individual tribes so they may not be fully representative, but in the statements given by the tribes, they stated that since the Blackhawks' logo has always been a respectful rendition they were not only okay with the black hawks using their logo but they were proud to be on the logo, the issues that native people people had with other sports' use of the native face were, Cleveland Indians had a history of the logo being essentially the native American equivalent of black face, and they didn't like being called Indians when they're Native Americans (statement was made before American Indian started to become a thing that some tribes like and some don't), the Washington redskins literally have a slur in their name not much to have to explain there, and they also did similar logos to the Cleveland Indians.
@@hectorjenkins934And judging by your profile your not native so shut up. Let the natives speak for themselves and so far I haven’t seen a single one who has a problem.
I really like and respects all these guys and the content they create is quality everytime, but the hate towards the Blackhawks is starting to get a bit annoying. It's one of the iconic logos where changing it isn't just a small thing. And I'm not even a Blackhawks fan.
@@TheSVK exact-a-fucking-ly! They’re creating a problem that isn’t even there!!! They look so beautiful and they’re so awesome. Literally no native or aboriginal person has any issue with the jersey
@@TheSVK I've never understood how using native american logos/mascots is racist. You want something that is fierce or powerful for your team, that's why you pick bulldog over poodle. We pick native americans because they are an important part of American history, and they were powerful and elite warriors. The people it offends are the same people who have "PTSD" from someone saying a slightly mean thing to them once on the playground in elementary school.
As a Blues fan I’ll always dislike the Hawks but to criticize them for a logo that they’ve had specific permissions granted to use is absolutely unfair and ridiculous.
I love these guys but so tired of them blowing by everything Hawks related because they’re afraid to offend somebody. Just because someone can be offended doesn’t mean they are right. But I do respect everyone’s opinion.
@@gagecollie2180that’s not true. The Native American tribes that are indigenous to the area support the logo and tribes from surrounding states have also stated their approval. The logo is a depiction of Chief Blackhawk of the Suak tribe not some stereotypical depiction of a Native American
If I were to guess what they'd have there... Nordiques Sharks Sabres A Pens Jersey And one of the Kings Jerseys Wild Card: Any of the Original Six, Maybe throw in a Canucks one
@@nollieflipcrook yes. But, the "a Pens Jersey" would be interesting. I'm seeing 3 different takes on what they all consider the best. And, as a Pittsburgher you see it all of the time. It seems like the one that EVERYONE loved was the first Winter Classic, light blue, jersey. The only one most fans hate is the dark blue. But, I think that's because of the curse lol. And, there would definitely be arguments over which Blues jersey is there.
This would be amazing. And, add in a voting thing of best to worst. Let's say you get the Colorado (Nordiques) jersey, Sharks, Sabres, a Kings jersey, two Pens jerseys? One RoboPigeon and one that's actually good 🤣, a Canucks, Jesse pulls out a Jets and Arizona Jerseys, and two guys thow out a couple of original Six jerseys. So, something like 12 jerseys. Have each bring out their top 5, make arguments, then quietly rank them from worst to best. The lowest score...hense the one that gets the 1, 2, and 3 spots on everyone's...are then the best. Long response. But, I want this! And, they should hire me!!!! As a Pens fan I'd make sure the RoboPen gets thrown out immediately!
I mean I know people that are honored to have a great and historical team named after a greatly historical Sauk chief. i think people should take a step back from the whole race situation and take a good look at what it actually represents, which is a strong Sauk leader that played a massive role in the history of Illinois and is being celebrated for who he was in life. It's nothing even close to being a race thing like the Edmonton elks old name or the Washington commanders old name or the Cleveland guardians.
It’s funny that people still complain about the hawks logo... it’s not even a caricature (like the Cleveland Indians logo was)... look at Notre Dame, literally a caricature of a drunk Irish man who wants to fight everybody. No one raises any question about that lmao. The black hawks logo isn’t making fun of native Americans, it’s legit just the face of a chief and should be viewed the same way that the patriots or senators logo is... its a guys face, and doesn’t convey anything negative.
@@Mastur_Bateman I think the difference between the Notre Dame and Blackhawks logos is that there is a history of the U.S. Government systemically killing and/or forcibly moving Native Americans over the course of a few centuries. You might even use the word genocide. While Irish immigrants didn't exactly have the best time in America in the 18th century, there's a unique history of the Native American people in this country that makes our relationship as a nation with native peoples very shaky. I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to think that a team owned by and full of white people using an illustration of a Native American could be offensive, even if it's done more tastefully than the Indians logo. Of course not everyone finds it offensive, but there are a great number of people who do.
@@tylershep4220 who are these people? I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever heard people complain about this logo except white people claiming there are people who are offended
Agree with everything, but I keep bringing up this nitpick in the interest of historical accuracy: BLACKHAWK WAS NEVER A CHIEF. The Sauk tribe had a chief. That chief was never Blackhawk. Mr. Blackhawk was a military leader, and not the civil head of the tribe. Gen. Blackhawk would be more accurate. (In fact British allies named him a brevet General, an honorary rank in their own military, and British officers addressed him as Gen. Blackhawk as a result.)
If you are ok with your teams logo changing because people are offended by it (for literally no reason good enough to change my mind) you’re not a true fan of that team
Okay, the hate on the Blackhawk logo by people needs to stop. The history behind why they are named that is respectful. The team has been okayed by the league and the people it "offends" to use it. And the people that it actually offends are not even Native Americans.
As a French man, I don't understand what happens in America with the logo of Indians for a sport team. People get offended by everything by this time, but it won't changed the past, so stop to be weak. Its better to be a remarkable logo of a winning sport team than to be erase of the history.
The BarDown take on the Blackhawks jersey being offensive shows the lack of knowledge they have on the history of the logo. Very ignorant of them and shows they follow whatever trend the 'woke' mob is rallying for.
@@adrianskowronski4492 This is untrue. There's no such thing as the "Blackhawk tribe." It's the Sauk tribe, and they never gave any sort of "blessing."
Mad respect to Z for loving the Sabres set. I’m very biased but if you remove the buffaslug, I really think they would have a top 3 jersey history of all time. In terms of the best I think the Blues have to be it. So many unique and interesting jerseys and Calgary is great too, could see a lot of good picks for the best.
I’m a Sabres fan. Our jersey collection is actually wild. The fact that we have 2 of the top 5 jerseys of all times and 2 of the top 5 worst jerseys of all time is insane. Of course in my opinion. Just be happy we’re not wearing navy anymore 🤮🤮🤮
@@bennyBoomBoom72 Yeah it's not a great one but I still wear it on occasion and there are a lot worse jerseys out there. It's just not the same level as the original jersey or the goat head
As a Blackhawks fan I wish you guys would do your research before speaking on a subject you guys disregard just because a few people said it was offensive, The team has done numerous surveys to determine it’s not to the majority of Native tribes they’ve asked, they made sure to give back and do things for the Native community, even recently the Goaltenders mask were done by Native artists from the Potawatomi and Ojibwe tribe, instead of erasing history and erasing the people behind that history we need to stop taking the easy way out and instead have real conversations and commemorate the people behind the Blackhawk(Suak) and other native tribes which the organization has been doing continuously since day one
Changing the hawks logo would be disrespectful to indigenous people and the history behind the logo they’ve had more than one fan vote on if they should change it and it has always been overwhelmingly against the change
can we stop going PC princess over the hawks??? It is a CLASSIC and when you add in the fact they donate money, it brings awareness to the various native american groups like we all need to stfu. I understood like hey the term "redskins" is pretty like derogatory/ rude but like theres none of that with the blackhawks. Stop the madness. also bruins should be S tier cause the penguins copied their colors just saying. Bruins have very very clean jerseys.
Corwin: The jet’s jerseys suck because they have been the same for so long (12 years) Also Corwin with 1/2 of the original teams: they are classic and very nice
Well unfortunately, woke culture and cancel culture forced these guys to cave. Couldn’t even show the logo. They were all in unison too, not one of them disagreed with the logo being “racist.” What a bunch of 🤡
Don't want to be treated like your teams mascot? The blackhawks mascot is a BIRD! The people who complain about the logo don't even watch hockey nor do they know the history of this logo. I will never apologize for liking Chief Blackhawk's portrait on my favorite team's sweater.
I applaud you for at least rating the Blackhawks’ jersey history this time around. Your incomplete logo ranking was a bit disappointing, I have to say. I hope the Chicago Blackhawks will invite you to Chicago, tell you about their work with native American tribes in the area, their history and their reason for the choice of logo to educate you guys a bit. I generally love all your coverage, your Bardown quizes and your lighthearted fun, but I think your treatment of the Blackhawks logo are founded in misunderstandings. I also hope that native American tribes in the Chicagoland area reach out to you and tell you how they feel about the logo. I’m not saying it will necessarily change your opinions, but the basis for your treatment seems a bit uneducated, I think. There are others things you can criticize about this team and their history, and I would support you wholeheartedly, even though I’m an enormous Chicago Blackhawks fan. This seems a bit silly, though…
I hate how low Blackhawks were they’re definitely mid A they have great jerseys and an awesome looking logo idc how offensive it is it looks incredible
Sending out a big middle finger from Chicago. Bet you anything these guys would’ve said they loved the Hawks jerseys 5 years ago. Best jersey in all of sports
Strongly disagree with changing the blackhawks logo It’s a classic logo that represents a culture and the organization is taking steps to show more of the culture. Your not gonna please everyone and honestly It’s your choice to be offended so if your sad go pound sand
Fun fact: The Blackhawks actually aren’t named after Chief Black Hawk….. Kind of… They’re named after the Army division of the Black Hawks’ founder, which was nicknamed the “Black Hawk Division.” The division itself WAS named after Chief Black Hawk and the team is indirectly named after him. That’s why the Blackhawks were originally named the ‘Black Hawks.’ They later dropped the space and became the ‘Blackhawks.’ This is also why some people who want the logo changed have suggested a more military approach. Me personally? I think because the Blackhawks are showing respect for a Native Chief and bring awareness for them, AND the name isn’t derogatory in any way (unlike the former Cleveland/ Washington sports teams), AND they banned the use of Native head dresses at home games, there is no real reason for a brand change. Especially when other cultures are used for sports teams (Minnesota Vikings, Kansas City Chiefs, Boston Celtics, Arizona Coyotes kachina designs, Dallas Cowboys [named after an organized crime gang], Florida State Seminoles, etc.) and no one really complains about them
Love the videos but I think the blackhawks should keep the logo. The people offended are often not even native or First Nations in many cases so I’d like to hear less of that politics and more hockey. Great jerseys, like many I agreed with on the list
What is Corwin talking about? Are these guys the only ones offended by the logo? Cause they've been granted permission to use it. Don't change the Blackhawks jersey just because a group of people not associated to the tribe are offended
Ok as a Ducks fan I have to say, the orange is part of the team being in Orange County and them embracing Anaheim as their home (as opposed to the Angels). I will totally admit the jade & eggplant colors are amazing and I absolutely miss them and love it every time they make an appearance, but I also like the orange/gold/black combination and it really works for the team and their hometown. I also don’t mind the D jerseys and enjoy the shoulder patches and the overall design. But obviously I prefer the cross sticks logo, as does almost everyone, which is why the reverse retro’s really hit hard for a lot of fans (as well as the all orange jerseys). I do think the retros should add shoulder patches though, using the old secondary logo patches from the past and updating them with the current colors.
Love how Jesse absolutely hates the 70's Rangers jersey, when it's *literally* the same as the Winnipeg Jets' original one he defends so much. The Jets started wearing them because a guy from the Rangers who liked them so much brought them with him when he joined the Jets organization in the WHA
Your take on the Blackhawks logo is awful. Best logo, and as a season ticket holder, I would not simply move on if they changed it to appease people's "feelings". Listen to how serious their tone changes when it comes the blackhawks.. it's honestly embarrassing
literally 0 people are offended by the blackhawks logo that was the stupidest take i’ve ever heard they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about
42:24 using the Whalers and Nordiques as an argument against the Yotes jerseys is nuts. The reason that the Yotes will never wear the retro Jets jerseys is because THEY LITERALLY CANNOT!! If the Jets never returned to Winnipeg, maybe you have a say, but that’s not an argument to make. The Coyotes have 1 bad jersey (the Running Yote) and that’s it. EASY A TIER.
Disclaimer: I'm a Flyers fan. I agree with Jesse, but there is more to it. Ultimately a jersey is about branding as well. And if you showed non hockey fans the jersey's and said tell me about this team's brand of hockey, no jersey set does it as well as the Flyers. No fuss, no flash, just blue collar go out every night with your lunch pail and hammer and beat the other guy. The jersey and it's branding matches the team perfectly.
For some reason with the Capitals, I think going back to the screaming eagle would be cool. Maybe have the reverse retro from 2021 as their home, a white version of that as the away and then the current reverse retro as a third. I'd like that a lot.
Meaning of Blackhawks logo "The Chicago Blackhawks' name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public." its disgusting people who aren't even native are the ones complaining and want to change it
Fans are not just going to move on from 96 years of history and they honor First Nations all the time there is nothing wrong with it best jersey set in all of the league
Tons of native Canadians are not only fans of the Chicago Blackhawks but proudly wear the logo, you have the right not to be offended on other people’s behalf
Huge agree with Jesse on the Ducks, I’d even drop them to D. Two incredible jerseys in the 90s don’t make up for two decades of consistently having some of the ugliest jerseys in the league.
It's SO pathetic that almost every hockey fan and sports journalist has fallen for the narrative that the Chicago Blackhawks logo is some immensely disrespectful logo. Ever since, what, 2021 and present since the narrative has taken a much stronger hold (without much evidence, just political rhetoric), it has been omitted or sidelined in jersey rankings. PATHETIC.
The red Blackhawks jersey with current logo is one of the greatest ever. The logo is not representing native Americans as their mascot ffs there’s a deep respect that comes with wearing a jersey like that
Changing a historic logo that brings far more good and attention to indigenous people just for those that don’t bother to make a 10 second google search and get upset over their own ignorance is ridiculous
L take on the Chicago Blackhawks. I hate the team but that logo is top 5, the name and the logo honors a Native American cheif. Thought it was gonna be a contestant for the best, but then y’all put ur tails between ur legs ang just said it might be offensive w/o saying anything about the actual look of the jersey.
I fully agree with this. It’s a huge inconvenience and I think that people get offended by anything. I believe that if we used that view on most mascots many would be abolished.
The loudest/most “offended” people in the room are often wrong, and honestly it would be, frankly, immoral to simply succumb to vocal minorities on everything. Not to mention, the blackhawks haven’t even had that much controversy to begin with! What a brutal, brutal, brutal exaggeration on the part of the panel here with the “solemn” tones and the “this might not even be harsh enough” take. I’m so sick of this sort of nonsense, we don’t even know our own values of what was fine 2 days ago is suddenly so bad that a room goes silent over the topic.
That might be the dumbest thing I've heard in a while, tbh. It's a logo. If they change it, then they change it. If they don't, then they don't. But if you really are gonna STOP WATCHING because of a logo change, then you're hilariously soft.
@@gibme69420 Nope. I just think the logo sucks. Looks like a 5-minute caricature drawing you'd get at a Six Flags. Plus, the jersey itself is dull as hell.
If you stop watching games because the team changed their logo, then you're softer than the people who want the logo changed in the first place. For the record I think the Blackhawks logo is the most overrated logo in sports, but at the same time I don't care if they keep it.
Did they ever take a second to research how much the blackhawks do for the native community? Also having the blessing and actually the want from said community for them to use the logo?
All 5 of the other 'second 6' teams came up with absolutely iconic and unique uniforms/logos upon entering the league, but the Penguins did not. They came in with a baby blue version of the rangers jersey and their sweaters were generally bad for over a decade until they decided to copy the pirates, Steelers (and the Bruins) and go with black and yellow. There's no way they have the best jersey history when they had the worst jerseys in the league for the first chunk of their existence. You could argue it was the first bad jersey in the history of the NHL. You can make the argument that their logo is better than Boston, but Boston's just done black and yellow better over the years, and Boston has never made the mistake the pens did in the 2000s. In terms of tertiary colors I think the bruins sweaters with the red/brown are better than the pens jerseys with baby blue too. Honestly the Bruins have had so many different jerseys in 100 years and I don't think they've really had any stinkers. (I'm not a Bruins fan)
The Blackhawks are named after a singular person. The logo is his likeness. Here in Chicago we are all taught about him and his bravery and defiance of the invading settlers and his refusal to be pushed off his land. Unlike the Indians or Redskins, this team name an logo actually does honor someone. I see nothing wrong with it. None of the Natives I’ve talked to including those not from the Chicago area have a problem with it. In fact, the Sac and Fox Nation are partners with the Blackhawks. They’re literally the people that he was the Chief of.
Regardless, no one cares if it’s a group of people. It’s still one of the hardest jerseys of all time💀💀
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@burninghammerstudios7033 your comment is absolutely on point! There is no valid reason to change the logo. There really shouldn’t be any debate or controversy about it. I’ve seen a few alternate logo concepts with an actual Black Hawk, looks pretty cool, but still doesn’t look as good as the Indian head. It’s here to stay!
the only reason people want it changed is because everyone tries to talk down on the Hawks any chance they get.
@@D0VES0AP Good. I hate the Trashhawks. They’re an organization run by a terrible tamily. It has nothing to do with the logo, just their code of ethics.
Hot take: I feel like the ranking videos would be easier to rank if you all each gave them a score between like 1-15 and then added up the points to give them a more accurate ranking. The scores would also help you know which teams would classify as a high A, for example, versus a lower A.
Then the ranking scores could be:
The Best (51-60)
A (41-50)
B (31-40)
C (21-30)
D (11-20)
Delete This (4-10)
Love this idea
you could then have them write there numbers down hidden and reveal them all at the same time. and you could still have the up/down debate at the end.
This is such a good idea. The current system actually stinks, and it's a surprise it hasn't been vetted and replaced before.
@@Metalgooze They do seem to influence each others opinions a lot so it ends up changing the rank based on the pressure of the rest of the guys. If they each take turns ranking the jerseys and then they all chime in to change their opinion, it might as well be based on points because then the individual ranking doesn't hold any weight.
Or,
Hear me out,
No one cares that much.
Just so everyone understands. The Blackhawks logo isn’t made to be racist in any way shape or form. It gets its name from the military group the original owner was in, who were called the Blackhawks named after the tribes leader who lived around Chicago named the Sauk Tribe.
The logo itself was approved by many indigenous groups, and is an example of a logo that can represent an indigenous theme without showing them in an overly racist manner.
The tribe is well known for wearing feathers as depicted, and the logo does not depict them in a crude manner like the redskins logo that both used a racist name and a racist logo.
It’s raised a lot of awareness to the group over the years, and has even donated to their cause a few times.
There is no reason for it to be controversial, or for it to have to be taken out of the league. Once you get past the very small minority who have a problem with it (99% people who aren’t from any background that it could possibly offend) people like it. In fact, a lot of people respect it.
Most NHL teams choose names that represent their city in some way, and for one of the biggest franchises in the league to not only choose, but keep a name attributing to indigenous people is massive. And to get rid of it is far more counterproductive then keeping it toward indigenous equality.
Seriously, what do people find so racist about it?
It doesn’t depict the logo doing any racist stereotypical actions. It doesn’t portray its character (Chief Blackhawk) in an overly racist way, it’s just drawn in a cartoon style.
So what’s the problem with it? If the Islanders can have the stereotype of a white fisherman in New York on their jersey which is indeed a stereotype, then why can’t Chicago have a popular indigenous figure?
They aren’t making fun of him, or disrespecting his legacy. So why?
It’s time we all wise up and understand portraying indigenous themes isn’t racist. It’s not. The sooner we start treating everyone as equals, and don’t get all sensitive when a stereotype, especially a harmless stereotype is portrayed in brand or media, the sooner we can have equality between genders, races, religions, etc.
It is because of the very people who are so offended by such a thing as the Blackhawks logo we still have culture clashes like this. Enough is enough, let them keep their logo. And let’s move on to pushing indigenous themes across the world to help them spread their message and get the rights they deserve.
Edit: thank you to the people who corrected me, it is indeed the Sauk tribe not the Blackhawks which I fixed.
Also, I would like to clarify I’m not saying the fisherman logo is racist. It’s not, and that’s my point. If a cartoonish but decently accurate depiction of one of their great leaders is racist, then so is the fisherman logo. It’s not fair to call one racist and not the other simply because one is a white stereotype.
As for the argument against my claim that it doesn’t offend the majority of people, it doesn’t matter that it offends such a small minority. This minority it offends are mostly people who think it offends indigenous people and aren’t any part of the community it apparently offends, which it largely doesn’t. Cancelling things because you assume it offends someone else is common practice these days, and an extremely stupid one and it’s gotta stop. As I said before, keeping it, and using it in a way to spread awareness rather then deleting it because you think it’s racist is the far better way to go.
Why waste such a great chance to spread an important message?
On the topic of the islanders fisherman, please do correct me if I'm forgetting my US history, but I fail to remember the US government and its citizens destroying fishermen's lives, stealing their waters, making them swim halfway across the sea against their will to a designated place to fish, and also having the navy fight an awfully one-sided against the fishermen. Can you help me remember that?
While I agree with your point as a Hawks fan myself, your argument with the Islanders fisherman is stupid.
very very very very well said. me personally (as a native american u can believe me or not) but like the blackhawks logo and i love how they’re representing indigenous people, and although a lot of people did not like the washington redskins logo or team name, a lot of natives including myself liked the logo and team name and also we really liked the cleveland indians logo and name too. for me it makes me feel like we are care for but idk u can say wtv u want to say about this but i really like the blackhawks
this statement is kinda all over the place sorry about that lol
@@IceRanger41 that was the point. It was comparing calling the blackhawks logo racist to calling the islanders fisherman logo racist. Which they both aren’t.
@@oh7485 i agree i still think its a travesty they got rid of the red skins and indians such legendary teams 😢
I can’t disagree more with the Blackhawks jersey. It’s a respectful representation of an actual person that existed in history. Such an iconic logo, that shouldn’t be changed. The Indians logo on the other hand was with no doubt offensive, a caricature of an Indian / Native American with an idiotic grin.
Precisely bro🙌
Whats so special about native indian americans? If they want to protect their land, they should’ve done it but us made it greater than ever and they are enjoying our tech. They should thank us.
Exactly the Indians just made it racist but the Blackhawks if u ever go to the game ecpecaly in November the honor the Native American heritage and have a whole intro video before every game GO HAWKS ❤ 36:57
Unlike other logos using native Americans, the blackhawks logo isn’t used in a cartoonish way and is actually based on an actual person. They pay tribute to the local natives in Illinois every game and have actually been praised by native Americans
Who cares if it’s cartoonish, it’s a logo
@@coreycollins6917 And we’re not changing it🤣🤣
@@thedon897 good, I think the redskins are soft for caving. I am from Viking and celt blood, imagine if I gathered a group to protest Minnesota Vikings or Boston celtics, would be laughed at as all this should be
@@coreycollins6917 👏👏👏 I can somewhat understand the redskins changing due to it directly being tied to skin color but the Blackhawks are an original 6 team that pays homage to a brave man. No one is making anyone into a joke or abusing their culture, they’re praising it.
I think it’s the idea that if a couple of professional teams using logos of Native Americans had to change it, then it should apply to others who do so.
Look, I hate the Trashhawks myself, but they won’t change the logo.
As someone who grew up a Predators fan, the Blackhawks were a team that was always a thorn in my side and I still hate them for that. HOWEVER, I have so much respect for their logo and it’s origins. Not only do they have permission to use it from the Native tribes in the area, but the Blackhawks do so much good work for that community and they hold that tradition and that history to high levels of respect. While that logo might give me PTSD, I can’t help but respect it.
Exactly! They’re so fucking stupid and stubborn about what they think it means to native people. They’re trying to create a problem that’s not there. It honours them and it looks amazing. Absolutely horrible take by them
You my friend are smart!
I can say the same for the preds, a thorn in my side but I LOVE THEIR LOGO
100% agree. People are so fucking offended by everything today. That jersey is iconic and these kids should do their research. Little leftist bitches.
As a preds fan. I agree.
The Blackhawks logo honors Chief Black hawk and shouldn’t be compared to the redskins logo or Indians logo. The Blackhawks logo honors a former Native American military leader
Yes! Best NHL logo, but the jersey in your pic is the WORST one they've ever worn!
@@kosimitz definitely 😂
Surprised these guys don’t know that tbh
@@Jordan-432 they do, they just don't want to defend it in anyway in fear of looking "racist"
Native American Approved of it. Here are Americanize does not approved of it. the IRONY
When has anyone been offended by the Blackhawks logo? It's generally considered one of the best logos in the league. The only kind of hate I can imagine towards that logo is racism towards Native Americans which BarDown should not be supporting in any way!
The logo is not racist it is ment to tribute the Native Americans of Chicago. The team is named after a military set called the back hawks and the teams owner or their military group was a Native American chief hince the logo
I just put it this way:
If you don't like the logo, then you know that you're racist. Woke virtue signaling sjws are ironically the most racist. Lol
You cant change the hawks they have gotten permission to use it and it is the definition of a classic. One of the best jerseys
This is a factual statement that too many people continue to ignore. On top of also the heritage nights that they have at the United Center every year now. It's #1 with a bullet
You know you can google these things right? Local indigenous groups like the American Indian Center of Chicago have all come out in favour of changing the logo and name. Idk what you mean by "they have gotten permission to use it", from who? Plus, there's so much they could with just changing the name to the Hawks and hiring a local indigenous artist to make a logo in their art style. We've already seen other indigenous artists, like Mike Ivall in Toronto, make mock-ups of a replacement logo that are super cool and in the same style and colour scheme as the original logo.
@@killerfrenchy hawks is such a boring name if they change it they should do something totally different but i don’t think they should
@@killerfrenchy Changing the name from a Leader of the Sauk Tribe, one of the most influential tribes in the Illonois area to a hawk feels basically like whitewashing. This is nowhere near the same situation as the Indians or Redskins.
@@willtollefson4746 facts and this name is older than the indians and redskins it means more to the game
Imagine doing a list of NHL jerseys and then arguing to change the Blackhawks logo. What a joke lmao.
Blackhawks jersey should've easily contended for #1 they peobably dont know the history of the logo
Woke TSN is definitely gonna virtue signal.
Blackhawks are a big miss, one of the best unis in all of sports. No where near the comparison to "Redskins" as a controversial team.
Omfg! The Blackhawks one does not demean anyone or anything at all. It pays honour and respects. And to say that people don’t want to be a teams mascot. News flash! They aren’t!!! Their mascot is a bleeping bird!
Ignorant liberal canadians
they covered up sexual assault fuck the hawks
@@ericksheldon3870 agreed but that’s not what we’re talking about, we’re talking about the logo.
Logo still isn’t offensive. Get some help
@@CalSkywalker my point exactly, I don’t think it’s offensive at all. You’re not bringing anything new to the table except restating what I’ve already said
They always say the Blackhawks is offending people if you go to hawks game if you go to hawks events they always honor who the team is actually named after, tribe leader Chief Black hawk, so it isn’t discriminating a certain group it is honoring a certain leader.
Thank you
Black Hawks' family is against the use of that type of logo.
As well as Chi-Nations Youth Council, a prominent indigenous group in Chicago.
@@Ramuh. and plenty of groups have given approval
@@Ramuh. Frederic McLaughlin actually served with the black hawk division so pls stfu
They just dont know blackhawks history they'd rather cry racism
My issue with the Chicago stuff is they got permission, and still had a blessing to use the name and logo for a while (idk id they still do or not), and the people who the jersey upsets have no association to native american culture they just might have some native blood in them.
It's people being "offended" on behalf of the Natives. The actual natives just don't give a flying f*** about somebody depicting them on a jersey. It's just people being offended for the sake of being offended. Everybody knows the branding is very obviously admiration of the Blackhawk tribe and not mocking it.
The hate on the Blackhawks is unwarranted. The hawks have one of the best logos in history. The logos origins pay much respect to the natives of that area and are incredibly historic and deserve lots of respect.
I genuinely wonder if the clowns at TSN put their make-up on in the mornings or at night before they go to bed. My guess is the latter so that they have something funny to dream about to distract them from their sad, pathetic coverage
The Blackhawks jersey is classic and pays homage to the tribes and respects them.
The Blackhawks' uniform was voted one of the 25 best in professional sports by Paul Lukas of GQ in November 2004. In 2008 the Hockey News voted the team's jersey as the best in the NHL and voted the team's main logo to be the best in the NHL. Greg Wyshynski of Yahoo! Sports listed the Blackhawks home jerseys as the second best NHL jersey in the history of the NHL in 2017. The Blackhawks were voted to have the best uniform in the history of the NHL in a fan-vote conducted by the NHL in 2017.
how many native people did they involve
@@hectorjenkins934 as someone who lives in the area, and hates the Blackhawks, the Chicago Blackhawks have been given, publicly, approval by the native tribes in WI, ND, SD, MN, and IL, I don't know about any other states native tribes these statements were from individual tribes so they may not be fully representative, but in the statements given by the tribes, they stated that since the Blackhawks' logo has always been a respectful rendition they were not only okay with the black hawks using their logo but they were proud to be on the logo, the issues that native people people had with other sports' use of the native face were, Cleveland Indians had a history of the logo being essentially the native American equivalent of black face, and they didn't like being called Indians when they're Native Americans (statement was made before American Indian started to become a thing that some tribes like and some don't), the Washington redskins literally have a slur in their name not much to have to explain there, and they also did similar logos to the Cleveland Indians.
Im from the rez and the Blackhawks logo and chief wahool logos were and are sick... stamp of approval lol
These guys are scared woke idiots
@@hectorjenkins934And judging by your profile your not native so shut up. Let the natives speak for themselves and so far I haven’t seen a single one who has a problem.
I really like and respects all these guys and the content they create is quality everytime, but the hate towards the Blackhawks is starting to get a bit annoying. It's one of the iconic logos where changing it isn't just a small thing. And I'm not even a Blackhawks fan.
The thing is too, it’s been okayed by many of the groups people claim it offends. There is no good reason to get rid of it.
The people it offends arent Native Americans is the funny part
@@TheSVK exact-a-fucking-ly! They’re creating a problem that isn’t even there!!! They look so beautiful and they’re so awesome. Literally no native or aboriginal person has any issue with the jersey
@@TheSVK I've never understood how using native american logos/mascots is racist. You want something that is fierce or powerful for your team, that's why you pick bulldog over poodle. We pick native americans because they are an important part of American history, and they were powerful and elite warriors. The people it offends are the same people who have "PTSD" from someone saying a slightly mean thing to them once on the playground in elementary school.
The AIC even approved of the jersey and logo and it’s not like the redskins they are representing the tribe which I think is cool
Boy did you get it wrong with the hawks, they contribute substantially to the native american community
As a Blues fan I’ll always dislike the Hawks but to criticize them for a logo that they’ve had specific permissions granted to use is absolutely unfair and ridiculous.
Amen. The only people offended by it are white people.
So uneducated
Totally disagree with the hawks
You already know its a bad list if Chicago isn't near the top.
100% I watched this and thought "chicago should literally be on top"
I love these guys but so tired of them blowing by everything Hawks related because they’re afraid to offend somebody. Just because someone can be offended doesn’t mean they are right. But I do respect everyone’s opinion.
i think the difference between the hawks and most things people are offended about, many indigenous leaders in illinois have wanted it changed
@@gagecollie2180 but haven't many also loved it?
@@gagecollie2180that’s not true. The Native American tribes that are indigenous to the area support the logo and tribes from surrounding states have also stated their approval. The logo is a depiction of Chief Blackhawk of the Suak tribe not some stereotypical depiction of a Native American
are you not then offended right now?
You guys need to each create your "Top 5 Jerseys" lists and debate them to find a combined Top 5
If I were to guess what they'd have there...
Nordiques
Sharks
Sabres
A Pens Jersey
And one of the Kings Jerseys
Wild Card: Any of the Original Six, Maybe throw in a Canucks one
@@sobannazir8216 that's only five tho... a good top 5 should have like 10
@@nollieflipcrook 😂
Ok fine. It's hard asf to have a Top 5.
Nordiques, Sharks, Sabres, Pens, Kings
THAS IT
@@nollieflipcrook yes. But, the "a Pens Jersey" would be interesting. I'm seeing 3 different takes on what they all consider the best. And, as a Pittsburgher you see it all of the time. It seems like the one that EVERYONE loved was the first Winter Classic, light blue, jersey. The only one most fans hate is the dark blue. But, I think that's because of the curse lol.
And, there would definitely be arguments over which Blues jersey is there.
This would be amazing. And, add in a voting thing of best to worst. Let's say you get the Colorado (Nordiques) jersey, Sharks, Sabres, a Kings jersey, two Pens jerseys? One RoboPigeon and one that's actually good 🤣, a Canucks, Jesse pulls out a Jets and Arizona Jerseys, and two guys thow out a couple of original Six jerseys.
So, something like 12 jerseys. Have each bring out their top 5, make arguments, then quietly rank them from worst to best. The lowest score...hense the one that gets the 1, 2, and 3 spots on everyone's...are then the best.
Long response. But, I want this! And, they should hire me!!!! As a Pens fan I'd make sure the RoboPen gets thrown out immediately!
I mean I know people that are honored to have a great and historical team named after a greatly historical Sauk chief.
i think people should take a step back from the whole race situation and take a good look at what it actually represents, which is a strong Sauk leader that played a massive role in the history of Illinois and is being celebrated for who he was in life.
It's nothing even close to being a race thing like the Edmonton elks old name or the Washington commanders old name or the Cleveland guardians.
It’s funny that people still complain about the hawks logo... it’s not even a caricature (like the Cleveland Indians logo was)... look at Notre Dame, literally a caricature of a drunk Irish man who wants to fight everybody. No one raises any question about that lmao.
The black hawks logo isn’t making fun of native Americans, it’s legit just the face of a chief and should be viewed the same way that the patriots or senators logo is... its a guys face, and doesn’t convey anything negative.
Yea as a native guy I could definitely say it's a beautiful logo and an honour to have it
@@Mastur_Bateman I think the difference between the Notre Dame and Blackhawks logos is that there is a history of the U.S. Government systemically killing and/or forcibly moving Native Americans over the course of a few centuries. You might even use the word genocide. While Irish immigrants didn't exactly have the best time in America in the 18th century, there's a unique history of the Native American people in this country that makes our relationship as a nation with native peoples very shaky. I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to think that a team owned by and full of white people using an illustration of a Native American could be offensive, even if it's done more tastefully than the Indians logo. Of course not everyone finds it offensive, but there are a great number of people who do.
@@tylershep4220 who are these people? I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever heard people complain about this logo except white people claiming there are people who are offended
Agree with everything, but I keep bringing up this nitpick in the interest of historical accuracy: BLACKHAWK WAS NEVER A CHIEF. The Sauk tribe had a chief. That chief was never Blackhawk. Mr. Blackhawk was a military leader, and not the civil head of the tribe. Gen. Blackhawk would be more accurate. (In fact British allies named him a brevet General, an honorary rank in their own military, and British officers addressed him as Gen. Blackhawk as a result.)
If you are ok with your teams logo changing because people are offended by it (for literally no reason good enough to change my mind) you’re not a true fan of that team
“We can’t put most of the teams in A”
Proceed to put most of the teams in A 😂
Okay, the hate on the Blackhawk logo by people needs to stop. The history behind why they are named that is respectful. The team has been okayed by the league and the people it "offends" to use it. And the people that it actually offends are not even Native Americans.
Exactly! It's the woke crybabies who look for problems that don't even exist and then proceed to make an issue where there wasn't one to begin with.
As a French man, I don't understand what happens in America with the logo of Indians for a sport team.
People get offended by everything by this time, but it won't changed the past, so stop to be weak.
Its better to be a remarkable logo of a winning sport team than to be erase of the history.
Blackhawks are the best, but for some reason, Bardown is convinced that the jersey has racist connotations.. and it doesn't..
the only people who are offended by the Hawks logo are people who are worried about others being offended by the Hawks logo
Yup! It's the classic:
"I'm a crybaby sjw, and I'm offended on behalf of those who might possibly be offended!"
Virtue signaling 101.
The BarDown take on the Blackhawks jersey being offensive shows the lack of knowledge they have on the history of the logo. Very ignorant of them and shows they follow whatever trend the 'woke' mob is rallying for.
No one is offended by the hawks logo
Fax, they literally got a blessing from the blackhawk tribe to use the logo
If anyone is offended it's white women
White people are the only ones offended by it lol
White people telling you to be offended by it are lmao
@@adrianskowronski4492 This is untrue. There's no such thing as the "Blackhawk tribe." It's the Sauk tribe, and they never gave any sort of "blessing."
Mad respect to Z for loving the Sabres set. I’m very biased but if you remove the buffaslug, I really think they would have a top 3 jersey history of all time.
In terms of the best I think the Blues have to be it. So many unique and interesting jerseys and Calgary is great too, could see a lot of good picks for the best.
I’m a Sabres fan. Our jersey collection is actually wild. The fact that we have 2 of the top 5 jerseys of all times and 2 of the top 5 worst jerseys of all time is insane. Of course in my opinion. Just be happy we’re not wearing navy anymore 🤮🤮🤮
Not even a Sabres fan but the Buffaslug is way too disrespected
@@bennyBoomBoom72 no it’s not imo. Give it all the smoke
@@bennyBoomBoom72 Yeah it's not a great one but I still wear it on occasion and there are a lot worse jerseys out there. It's just not the same level as the original jersey or the goat head
@@bennyBoomBoom72 i love it weirdly, i hate the sabres but that's one of my favourite logos of all time
As a Blackhawks fan I wish you guys would do your research before speaking on a subject you guys disregard just because a few people said it was offensive, The team has done numerous surveys to determine it’s not to the majority of Native tribes they’ve asked, they made sure to give back and do things for the Native community, even recently the Goaltenders mask were done by Native artists from the Potawatomi and Ojibwe tribe, instead of erasing history and erasing the people behind that history we need to stop taking the easy way out and instead have real conversations and commemorate the people behind the Blackhawk(Suak) and other native tribes which the organization has been doing continuously since day one
Im native and I never once thought the Blackhawks logo is racist In any way. It’s in my opinion the best logo in the NHL and even in all of pro sports
Changing the hawks logo would be disrespectful to indigenous people and the history behind the logo they’ve had more than one fan vote on if they should change it and it has always been overwhelmingly against the change
Do not change the blackhawks logo. We need to stop being offended about everything.
can we stop going PC princess over the hawks??? It is a CLASSIC and when you add in the fact they donate money, it brings awareness to the various native american groups like we all need to stfu. I understood like hey the term "redskins" is pretty like derogatory/ rude but like theres none of that with the blackhawks. Stop the madness.
also bruins should be S tier cause the penguins copied their colors just saying. Bruins have very very clean jerseys.
Corwin: The jet’s jerseys suck because they have been the same for so long (12 years)
Also Corwin with 1/2 of the original teams: they are classic and very nice
Corwyn consistently has the worst takes.
Yes they always do the same thing but different logos
Different colors
Blackhawks Jersey is in honor of Chief Blackhawk. Literally the opposite of offensive. Come on guys
Well unfortunately, woke culture and cancel culture forced these guys to cave. Couldn’t even show the logo. They were all in unison too, not one of them disagreed with the logo being “racist.” What a bunch of 🤡
Love these sit down videos.
You guys definitely NEED your own actual podcast.
They have one! It’s the bardown podcast on Spotify and apple podcasts and those kinda apps
They have one.
Ranking jerseys without seeing them would be a pretty boring podcast though
Corwin hating the Nordiques jersey only confirms that he easily has the worst taste in the panel
Who's offended by the Hawks logo? Seriously asking. Never seen a single person.
Canadians apparently
Weak
I am from the UK and I don't know the history of the blackhawks and all that but the jersey to me is beautiful
Don't want to be treated like your teams mascot? The blackhawks mascot is a BIRD! The people who complain about the logo don't even watch hockey nor do they know the history of this logo. I will never apologize for liking Chief Blackhawk's portrait on my favorite team's sweater.
I applaud you for at least rating the Blackhawks’ jersey history this time around. Your incomplete logo ranking was a bit disappointing, I have to say. I hope the Chicago Blackhawks will invite you to Chicago, tell you about their work with native American tribes in the area, their history and their reason for the choice of logo to educate you guys a bit. I generally love all your coverage, your Bardown quizes and your lighthearted fun, but I think your treatment of the Blackhawks logo are founded in misunderstandings. I also hope that native American tribes in the Chicagoland area reach out to you and tell you how they feel about the logo. I’m not saying it will necessarily change your opinions, but the basis for your treatment seems a bit uneducated, I think. There are others things you can criticize about this team and their history, and I would support you wholeheartedly, even though I’m an enormous Chicago Blackhawks fan. This seems a bit silly, though…
I hate how low Blackhawks were they’re definitely mid A they have great jerseys and an awesome looking logo idc how offensive it is it looks incredible
Sending out a big middle finger from Chicago. Bet you anything these guys would’ve said they loved the Hawks jerseys 5 years ago. Best jersey in all of sports
I’d do one better and give ‘em 2 big ones
Nah fam they covered up sexual assault
90% of the people who are offended by the hawks are natives to twitter
Strongly disagree with changing the blackhawks logo It’s a classic logo that represents a culture and the organization is taking steps to show more of the culture. Your not gonna please everyone and honestly It’s your choice to be offended so if your sad go pound sand
Fun fact:
The Blackhawks actually aren’t named after Chief Black Hawk….. Kind of…
They’re named after the Army division of the Black Hawks’ founder, which was nicknamed the “Black Hawk Division.” The division itself WAS named after Chief Black Hawk and the team is indirectly named after him. That’s why the Blackhawks were originally named the ‘Black Hawks.’ They later dropped the space and became the ‘Blackhawks.’
This is also why some people who want the logo changed have suggested a more military approach.
Me personally? I think because the Blackhawks are showing respect for a Native Chief and bring awareness for them, AND the name isn’t derogatory in any way (unlike the former Cleveland/ Washington sports teams), AND they banned the use of Native head dresses at home games, there is no real reason for a brand change.
Especially when other cultures are used for sports teams (Minnesota Vikings, Kansas City Chiefs, Boston Celtics, Arizona Coyotes kachina designs, Dallas Cowboys [named after an organized crime gang], Florida State Seminoles, etc.) and no one really complains about them
Love the videos but I think the blackhawks should keep the logo. The people offended are often not even native or First Nations in many cases so I’d like to hear less of that politics and more hockey. Great jerseys, like many I agreed with on the list
What is Corwin talking about? Are these guys the only ones offended by the logo? Cause they've been granted permission to use it. Don't change the Blackhawks jersey just because a group of people not associated to the tribe are offended
Ok as a Ducks fan I have to say, the orange is part of the team being in Orange County and them embracing Anaheim as their home (as opposed to the Angels).
I will totally admit the jade & eggplant colors are amazing and I absolutely miss them and love it every time they make an appearance, but I also like the orange/gold/black combination and it really works for the team and their hometown.
I also don’t mind the D jerseys and enjoy the shoulder patches and the overall design. But obviously I prefer the cross sticks logo, as does almost everyone, which is why the reverse retro’s really hit hard for a lot of fans (as well as the all orange jerseys).
I do think the retros should add shoulder patches though, using the old secondary logo patches from the past and updating them with the current colors.
Apparently they’re coming back.
Love how Jesse absolutely hates the 70's Rangers jersey, when it's *literally* the same as the Winnipeg Jets' original one he defends so much. The Jets started wearing them because a guy from the Rangers who liked them so much brought them with him when he joined the Jets organization in the WHA
Your take on the Blackhawks logo is awful. Best logo, and as a season ticket holder, I would not simply move on if they changed it to appease people's "feelings".
Listen to how serious their tone changes when it comes the blackhawks.. it's honestly embarrassing
nah you guys had me until the Blackhawks bs
literally 0 people are offended by the blackhawks logo that was the stupidest take i’ve ever heard they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about
Montreal are B for being classic but Detroit and Toronto are A’s?🤣🤣🤣
Yeah such of haters of Habs
42:24 using the Whalers and Nordiques as an argument against the Yotes jerseys is nuts. The reason that the Yotes will never wear the retro Jets jerseys is because THEY LITERALLY CANNOT!! If the Jets never returned to Winnipeg, maybe you have a say, but that’s not an argument to make. The Coyotes have 1 bad jersey (the Running Yote) and that’s it. EASY A TIER.
Disclaimer: I'm a Flyers fan. I agree with Jesse, but there is more to it. Ultimately a jersey is about branding as well. And if you showed non hockey fans the jersey's and said tell me about this team's brand of hockey, no jersey set does it as well as the Flyers. No fuss, no flash, just blue collar go out every night with your lunch pail and hammer and beat the other guy. The jersey and it's branding matches the team perfectly.
You can't get more creative then a flying P with a puck in the middle
IMO ... my order for jersey's
32) Anaheim
31) Caps
30) Hurricanes
29) Seattle
28) Calgary
27) St. Louis
26) Dallas
25) Vancouver
24) Winnipeg
23) Senators
22) Phoenix
21) Nashville
20) Golden Knights
19) Tampa
18) Colorado
17) Columbus
16) Phili
15) Islanders
14) Montreal
13) Edmonton
12) Minnesota
11) Toronto
10) Buffalo
9) Devils
8) Kings
7) Red Wings
6) Bruins
5) Rangers
4) Sharks
3) Pittsburgh
2) Panthers
1) Blackhawks
For some reason with the Capitals, I think going back to the screaming eagle would be cool. Maybe have the reverse retro from 2021 as their home, a white version of that as the away and then the current reverse retro as a third. I'd like that a lot.
The screaming eagle is elite
@@gabbytabbert7519 One of the best logos in the league.
38:39 what is happening with the logo on Luca’s jersey
Garbage take on the hawks
Meaning of Blackhawks logo "The Chicago Blackhawks' name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public." its disgusting people who aren't even native are the ones complaining and want to change it
Fans are not just going to move on from 96 years of history and they honor First Nations all the time there is nothing wrong with it best jersey set in all of the league
As a Native American, the bar down boys really pissed me off of their take on Chicago
Jesse about Philly: its classic, it’s so good
Jesse about rangers: enough with the “it’s classic”
bros such a joke
Bro the stars’ black alternate gets too much hate. Those things are🔥
They suck
I love them.
Stars in general be getting to much hate
Tons of native Canadians are not only fans of the Chicago Blackhawks but proudly wear the logo, you have the right not to be offended on other people’s behalf
Huge agree with Jesse on the Ducks, I’d even drop them to D. Two incredible jerseys in the 90s don’t make up for two decades of consistently having some of the ugliest jerseys in the league.
I'm offended by the Blackhawks B ranking. That red jersey is one of the best jerseys in all of sports and I'm not even a Blackhawks fan
Wack take with the hawks. Not even a Chicago fan.
Was waiting through the Tampa one and ended up devastated. The Edge era Tampa unis are one of my faves of all time.
I would be offended if if the Chicago Blackhawks changed their emblem.
The people who should be offended by the blackhawks logo, actually praise them for how respectful it is.
It's SO pathetic that almost every hockey fan and sports journalist has fallen for the narrative that the Chicago Blackhawks logo is some immensely disrespectful logo. Ever since, what, 2021 and present since the narrative has taken a much stronger hold (without much evidence, just political rhetoric), it has been omitted or sidelined in jersey rankings. PATHETIC.
thank you jesse for defending us. Also the 90s orange jerseys were sick
There’s such a major difference between Chicagos team and teams like the redskins or Indians. Y’all are goofs
The red Blackhawks jersey with current logo is one of the greatest ever. The logo is not representing native Americans as their mascot ffs there’s a deep respect that comes with wearing a jersey like that
Changing a historic logo that brings far more good and attention to indigenous people just for those that don’t bother to make a 10 second google search and get upset over their own ignorance is ridiculous
i wanna see the top 5 jerseys of all time from each of you
As a long time Bardown fan and a lifetime Blackhawks fan, this one stings, boys 💔
Just kinda feels like they are always shitting on the hawks about something
@@TheKilla211101 yep. Disliked the video. These guys are clowns
don’t change the hawks logo, lots of native hockey teams use it (coming from a native)
The Blackhawks jersey should NEVER be changed.
This list is already a mess 😂 Keep up the great work boys!
How is changing an original six teams logo that is almost 100 years old not a big deal😂
L take on the Chicago Blackhawks. I hate the team but that logo is top 5, the name and the logo honors a Native American cheif. Thought it was gonna be a contestant for the best, but then y’all put ur tails between ur legs ang just said it might be offensive w/o saying anything about the actual look of the jersey.
I'm offended by your takes. You should just change them. See how dumb that logic is?
😂
Honestly, now we need each of y’all to submit a top 5 jerseys of all time
I’m saying that knowing damn well jesse’s is about to be 40
I love how we get a VGK jersey in the shot. Love these videos!! We can have high and low grades! Thanks for not letting Jesse trash us like usual haha
I fully agree with this. It’s a huge inconvenience and I think that people get offended by anything. I believe that if we used that view on most mascots many would be abolished.
@@blakeperrault6281 I think you replied to the wrong comment lol
@@nollieflipcrook lol
The loudest/most “offended” people in the room are often wrong, and honestly it would be, frankly, immoral to simply succumb to vocal minorities on everything. Not to mention, the blackhawks haven’t even had that much controversy to begin with! What a brutal, brutal, brutal exaggeration on the part of the panel here with the “solemn” tones and the “this might not even be harsh enough” take. I’m so sick of this sort of nonsense, we don’t even know our own values of what was fine 2 days ago is suddenly so bad that a room goes silent over the topic.
“The Flames have a flaming C for a logo… A!!!” The Preds have an actual logo and sweet color combinations… these guys: “delet this”…. lol what a joke…
Blackhawks still have one or the best logos period. Should grade it by logo, not how people feel.
If the Blackhawks change the logo, I'll refuse to watch the games
That might be the dumbest thing I've heard in a while, tbh.
It's a logo. If they change it, then they change it. If they don't, then they don't. But if you really are gonna STOP WATCHING because of a logo change, then you're hilariously soft.
@@filet-o-frisch It is dumb, but I have my rights.
@@filet-o-frisch you’re offended by a logo approved by the actual tribe, who’s the hilariously soft person here?
@@gibme69420 Nope. I just think the logo sucks. Looks like a 5-minute caricature drawing you'd get at a Six Flags. Plus, the jersey itself is dull as hell.
If you stop watching games because the team changed their logo, then you're softer than the people who want the logo changed in the first place.
For the record I think the Blackhawks logo is the most overrated logo in sports, but at the same time I don't care if they keep it.
Did they ever take a second to research how much the blackhawks do for the native community? Also having the blessing and actually the want from said community for them to use the logo?
segment about the Blackhawks proves how little they know about the Blackhawks organization
I thought it was an elephant
Edit:
The Blackhawks should never and will never change their logo. Best Unis in the league
All 5 of the other 'second 6' teams came up with absolutely iconic and unique uniforms/logos upon entering the league, but the Penguins did not. They came in with a baby blue version of the rangers jersey and their sweaters were generally bad for over a decade until they decided to copy the pirates, Steelers (and the Bruins) and go with black and yellow. There's no way they have the best jersey history when they had the worst jerseys in the league for the first chunk of their existence. You could argue it was the first bad jersey in the history of the NHL. You can make the argument that their logo is better than Boston, but Boston's just done black and yellow better over the years, and Boston has never made the mistake the pens did in the 2000s. In terms of tertiary colors I think the bruins sweaters with the red/brown are better than the pens jerseys with baby blue too. Honestly the Bruins have had so many different jerseys in 100 years and I don't think they've really had any stinkers. (I'm not a Bruins fan)