Not really it’s hard to decipher, On both sides Of the coin, People try to sneak in shit all the time, and scrapers treat everyone like thieves & liars when that’s not always the case. But when you’re selling stuff on a pound a pound basis, you literally have to watch every pound.
At the smelter down the line, I bet they throw all types of copper into the same cauldron and skim the impurities off the top while laughing about the term "different grades".
Running a smelter isn’t cheap. It’s also time consuming. Why shouldn’t they pay based on grade? The customer can feel free to buy their own smelter and spend their own time making ingot if they wanna be paid premium
Smelters will reject or downgrade a 10,000 lb load from a yard in heart beat if it doesnt meet their spec. Not all smelters are able to handle the dirty stuff either. Most shady yards are actually just not good at sorting their material/understanding the categories and have been burnt too many times selling their loads so they just buy all copper as #2 price type of a thing.
Your lack of understanding does not change the complexity of the world around you. You better believe smelters control what goes in... because that is the lowest effort highest return work. Correcting in the crucible is expensive. Might not even be possible depending on the contaminate, and the volume.
I've hauled copper out of this very scrap yard to Pittsburgh watched them throw the entire pallet and everything in to the forge I have videos of it lmao
Most scrapyard guys are crooks. They find all sorts of "details" to downgrade your scrap to ferrous shredded. No wonder no on bothers to recycle anything.
@removeitprosdemolition Instead of this yard. Even though it's a little further, I would love to see a video of the other scrap yard you talked about the last time. I bet you'd do better then this place. This place is a joke and it pisses me off that they do the shit they do to you and the crew. I would give them zero business. Go to the other one brother. These people are skimming off every pound you bring in and it's plain to see with this going on yet again here. That aluminum when that guy came over in the one vid, probably would've punched him in the face. He knew what he was doing. Knowing you all wouldn't load it back up he waited until the end to say something. Stood there and watched the whole time. That was 100% his plan. The yard sorts it out anyway before it's bailed in their crusher. Floors me! You being them a lot of money when you show up and yet still they pull that bullshit! Says a l9t about their business practices and moral... These yards around here would bow to you with that kind of scrap... They also would up pricing because of the quantity you bring in. I used to bring in mass amount of copper and about 62 tons of aluminum a month. They always paid up for the weight because it was so much. You're in Florida? I'll see if they have a yard there but I am not sure. They also provide a daily price sheet via email you can view the daily payout prices. Let me look and see if they're down your way but may only be around my neck of the woods.
As others have said you all 100% got screwed. I’ve never heard of #3 copper pipe. Here copper pipe is #1 tarnished or not & #2 is contaminated with paint / joints. I live near Phoenix & if I go to the yard 10 mins from my house I get far less. I will drive 45 mins to the yard where the amount they pay out doubles the money I make. I would love to see a video of a mega scrap haul going to Sarasota!
It's ALWAYS worth driving further to a place that won't rip you off. I can scrap 10 minutes from my house, or drive to Boston. Guess which one pays me more than double??
That's why we try to be as organized as we can when we go. Not much we can do about how they price it. We always ask the "Why's & How's" for next time we process stuff. Thanks for the comment.
It used to be but no, the market has changed since China & Russia used to be a big buyer of our Metal. Now with president Biden & certain sanctions it stays in America & American buyers are much more picky.
I’ve been scrapping for 30 years and number one copper has always been no solder no cover and it doesn’t matter whether it’s brown or bright. It’s number one copper number two has solder joints, connector, ends, plugs, and different things like that on it but I always get those two prices.
I went to my local scrapyard and the guy working in the nonferrous section told me he couldn't give me any prices until pay out and that was a good time to leave. That was the owners son
Lol I brought in a little pile of copper one day at the scale I asked for price guy says .....so much,OK cool then I go to the office they tried to tell me like 25 cents per lb less nope went and made em gimme my copper back ! Jackass
I understand your frustration! I live in a small town in Nova Scotia. The couple of scrap dealers are pretty honest. They have to be with it being a small area haha! One time, we broke our backs moving two medium size safes that weighed a ton, only to get like $20 a piece, because it turns out they are mainly filled with concrete! I enjoy watching your show!
Yes. It can be a lot of work for little reward if you're not careful. Keep trying! Thanks for your comment and we will see you on the next video! Let us know if there is something you want to see in one of our future videos!
Every scrap yard I’ve dealt with here in MD, #1 Cooper is clean copper pipe as long as it doesn’t have lead or paint. #2 is soldered or painted pipes. #1 wire is bare and bright, #2 is jacketed wire. The last category is dirt mixed copper. But it’s been years since I’ve done any of that.
Where I live here in Indiana. We also have a cat5 category for wire it's a communication wire. Witch pays really good. I just thought I would let you guys know that. God bless you and your family my friend.
@@mikebaize6971I'm in West Lafayette and because of some properties we own on Estero I found this channel and am learning quite a lot. Appreciate your reply and kudos to these folks and their endeavor. Good content.
Appreciate the video . Time to find a better scrapyard in my opinion always watch it get weighed. Downgrading to a lower grade because of a few bits is absolutely rediculous considering the size of your haul. Daylight robbery. As the other fellas said number 3 copper never heard of it. They should be looking after the customers not ripping them off im really suprised they get any customers at all.
If you change yards then you won't know what the new con is on the new yard. I know my yard and what they fuck me on, & what I can get away with to fuck them.
I was a 2 man crew years ago here in Kentucky in the same business. We averaged around $100k annually. For 4 years, I was into heavy before prices dropped. I always found when bringing in volume, the yard would pay me premiums if I just spoke with the higher ups and agreed to bring everything to them instead of their competitor. I geuss things are different in different areas. I really enjoyed the breaking things down etc and the hunt. Thanks for sharing your adventures. You guys definitely need to make sure you know your non ferrous materials.
Wow. That must have been quit the hall. We've been doing this for a little while now and know the more organized we get the more efficient and worth it it is for us. Plus it's less headache when we get to the scrap yard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
We have the same problem with the yards up here in Detroit Mi. Plus with the new laws. The pay check you just got would have had to wait for a week to get your check delivered to you. But they grease there prices even more up here.
I feel your pain. I lived in Newark Delaware and loved going to tile scrap yard for years until they changed everything and started running it like the one in the video. I’ve lost soo much money there bc of stupid shit that I had to get out of that kind of work. But you guys are killing it!!
@@removeitprosdemolition Wire granulators take scrap copper wire and separate the copper from the plastic that insulates the wire. Cost can vary depending on the size of the machine.
@removeitprosdemolition there are machines that you can run all the wire through and strip them down without granulating. I guess either way would pay enough more to make it worth it
Local yard to me, you have to break everything down (take motors off machines, put in different pile) and drive around yard dropping stuff in different piles. I am not talking different grades of copper but steel and such. Then they pay you for the lowest per pound price for the entire load. So now I just get weighed and dump it next to the scale. They can sort it.
@@HobbyOrganistExactly, but these guys did actually put in alot of effort to try to have it all separated properly. Compared to the people i get at my yard that like to have trash & get mad I wont except or offer them a very low price.
That's the 1st thing I did with my barrels is put both top and bottom handles on them. Only difference in mine is that I got mine free. You can get them online all the time. You and your team work tirelessly on that metal and with your smarts of finding homes I know definitely that you can find another scrap yard to take your truck with trailer to.
That's a good point....we have another scrap yard they have been a mess, we will try them soon they were just sold and we have high hopes that they can get their act together....
@@removeitprosdemolition sims metal management has yards on the east side of Florida. By like west palm beach or something? They are probably the yard that most of your smaller yards take the metal to. It might benefit you to call them and check out how they operate. With $11k loads it wouldn’t hurt to drive a bit, although I don’t know where your located.
It's interesting to see how different operations can be from place to place. I work in a scrapyard similar to this one but much smaller, we are only 2 people there. Having slight variations in material grading between different scrapyards is common simply due to where the scrapyards resell the metals. If 2 yards sell to different end clients, then grading and prices will likely differ slightly (emphasis on slightly) Our standard practice is informing our clients how they best sort their materials in order to make the most profit. This may seem counter intuitive, but all the labor we save by not having to do much sorting and refining turns out to be the most profitable solution for both our company and our clients. We can't always offer the best price per kilo, sometimes our competitors have slightly better prices, that's just how the market works, so it's always a proud moment when we have clients tell us that they drive past a handful of other scrapyards to visit us because they trust us and it's an overall better experience to visit our yard. My point being that we are not all the same :)
That's good Karma, excellent business practice. We do demo the same way, we have more Google reviews than all the 30 companies we compete with put together. A good reputation is better than money!
We try our best to recycle & reuse everything we can as long as it's cost effective. Have you ever taking anything to the scrapyard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I love this content as I'm a construction superintendent and I know exactly your business models and bidding practices including recycling in the project bid. Much success to you folks and a profitable 2024.
My local yard he in the UK used to pay the same for copper regardless. The other 2 yards are a bit more fussy. Unfortunately, my favourite yard closed after Christmas so I have to go to the fussier yards instead.
Wow. The UK. Are you in the scrapping business? Sometimes options are limited. Just be sure to be on your toes when they complain about something! Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
my buddy and I did aluminum siding when we were in collage some 40 years ago. when we brought the scap in they used to advertise 30 cents a lb and pay 18 cents as it had paint or some other reason. we got even last of the summer they bought a bunch of water for 20 cents!
NJ, they would weight the truck with trashcans that contained the metal and 6 inches or more of water. dumped it and weighed out@@removeitprosdemolition
I always feel bad for the rookies. I remember how it felt just starting and learning how to identify and separate everything. They get screwed so bad and so did i. I live in a smaller city now and honestly the yard I go to is very chill and they help a lot. I think they are doing well and have no need to cheat nickle n diming people. Im glad
You know the rookies on both sides. One of the guys this working at that scrap. Yard reached out to us and told us that people are getting fired over our videos. I don't understand why they would get fired for doing their job correctly. But I don't even know that it's true, but I know that the owner of the company called us and asked us. To not video there anymore and my general manager is like, okay, well, what do you got to hide? I said we had nothing to hide. What do you guys got to hide all we're doing is? This is just part of our business process. And he said, well, one of the employees went all the way up to the owner of the company and its a pretty big company. And was complaining about being videotaped and it's that person that I had dialogue with who sold us bought our stuff as number 3 copper, which nobody has ever heard of at least on TH-cam. There is a number 3 copper according to the grading scale. According to it's like sheet, real thin sheet. Copper, that's what was explained to us. Well, next video will be out in a minute and it's going to talk all about, and we actually interviewed the guy that's in charge of our our account so you should be interesting. They didn't want to burn a bridge they made. We. We made about 50 grand last month off the scrap metal. So that means they're making 50 to a 100 grand off of our scrap metal and all we're doing is bringing it to them. So I don't know with that math. I could get over a lot of things. Couldn't you so we'll see what happens? We're not stuck with this yard. They're just doing the best job here that we know of. In the sense that we don't have to be in the dirt, the mud like you would in a lot of the other yards.
@@removeitprosdemolitionstrange how much dramas going on at that yard lol most places don’t care bout recording. I agree, they seem clean, lotsa space, and pretty fast with what they do - so thats a plus. It’s just a shame that you gotta fight for whats fair. Interested to see how the future goes! Good luck 🤞 i wish I had those size drop offs lol do you quote your demo jobs with approx scrap returns factored in? Or is the scrap just a nice bonus for you guys?
@@removeitprosdemolitionright on, that’s awesome. I know a lot of contractors like plumbers that factor it into their quotes to try and be more competitive pricing wise, but also every plumbing company expects the employees to bring it all back to the office and save it for “the company xmas party” or some other B.S. reason lol like as if the company shouldn’t be paying for that kinda stuff out of pocket lol
American Manufacturing in Fremont CA closed down many years ago. They had been supplying the US navy with base plates to their giant guns. A guy I met at Schnitzer Oakland, told me that his brother-in-law was the superintendent on Demolishing the plant and let him scrap out the base plates. They were 14 or 18 feet in diameter and three inches thick, four in total and solid copper !!! BONUS !
I scrapped heavy in early 2000’s. I thought I was rich getting 60 cent a pound for copper. Dealt with 3 different yards over the years and stopped using one after they paid me less for twice as much copper radiator than the day before. Ended up using a family owned business for most of my scrap.If I had a large amount I could negotiate a better price and after dealing with them for years I could bring in regulated items with little hassle. Thanks to thieves you can’t even scrap your personal a/c without paperwork at one yard. Enjoyed the video. Be Safe!
I have been to that scrap yard. It is my firmly held belief that they are coached to make up "rules" - find ways to downgrade the load - AND to NOT say anything and just arbitrarily downgrade the load and hope you aren't paying attention etc . .
All scrap yards seem to make up their own rules, but for a big customer they usually relax them. Copper #3 never heard of that for paint that goes with the solder normally.
When you go back there will be a #4 and #5 copper. #4 is copper of a box truck, #5 copper is off a pickup, down graded because it was exposed to the elements on the way to the scrap yard.
Great character all around. Even when you lost your cool and told him to keep the ticket. He was stiffing you when he could have told you to take the few pieces with you, no big deal. Majority of recyclers operate in this same fashion. Those that make a living scrapping are the real victims. Greetings from Loxahatchee.
As a used car salesman. "Customers are like scrap yards always trying to screw you" I'm not sure what people expect from used car salesman expect that they want them to know everything about every car and how long it's going to last while turning a blind eye to the hooptie they are trying to trade in for a decent car. 😅
From my experience at working at a yard. The majority of the people that come in are trying to screw the yard over. They always claim ignorance when caught, I gain nothing for screwing someone over. In fact I’ll teach anyone how to recycle. But most turn their brains off as soon as I start telling them what to do. I call it peddler brain.
They are scamming you, No Sauder but green corrosion is fine for #1 Here in my yard, You have to call before your there & get the price for the scrap metal or when your there they will low ball you because your there, You need to get your foreman at the scale writing down all the weights & tare or you will loose lots of weight, I have been doing this for 40 Years, You guys have great demo videos keep them coming.
Glad I watched, not going there now. I have a lot of copper from repipes on FMB & Bonita Bch. I’ve been a plumber for a long time and have never heard of #3 copper. Scrap yards have always been shady but this is a new low. Mikey Pipes on YT has been melting down his in to ingots but I’m not sure the cost of propane makes sense, it’s just fun
#3? never heard of it at any yard I've been to (midwest) they are going to take your tarnished and blend it in with #1 that is why the want it separate. Every place does things diff.
Same as the scrap yard I go to they don't tell you anything and don't say much very strange environment sometimes but I cash out and hall ass and it's over, but hey great video guys extreme haul ✊😎🔥
I just love when they start shouting "it's all the same". I'm just a casual part timer, I take steel and non-ferrous to two different yards. My biggest non-ferrous load was $2K, I get $5-600 for a load of prepared steel on a single axle trailer.
You're doing good! All that stuff adds up. Those aren't small numbers. Keep it going! What kind of business do you do? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Scrap yards are crooks, because tarnished copper they dock you for it, but they sell it for the same price as bright copper to the buyer. You are better off if you smelt it and pour int into ingots. I have a friend with a machine shop, and he got fed up so he melts all his metals down to ingots. As he got tired of being cheated.
@@removeitprosdemolition Oklahoma City, my friend owns a machine shop that worked with many exotic metals, as he hold several DoD contracts. He has one mill that is so big, the machinist rides on it to mill wing supports for military craft. He had a very expensive metal, because of heat bluing they told him it was low grade metal. He cast into a ingot and got full price. He bought an electric arch furnace to melt his scrap down, and it has allowed him to get top price. When you are milling wing supports for a B52, the billet of aluminium is massive. He has 2 mills that is dedicated to milling very large parts.
@@removeitprosdemolition all the metal he melts are the machining's and cutoffs from the milling process of parts he is manufacturing. So the metal he is dealing with is without insulation. He is dealing with Titanium, Aluminum, aircraft grade Aluminum, Magnesium, Nickel, Copper, High quality Brass, Inconel and many other very expensive metals and metal alloys. With that said a friend of his is a commercial electrician, that owns his own company, and he scraps out wire, and he has an automated machine that removes the insulation off the copper wires, you just feed the wire in one side and out the other side is clean wire. This machine he said it paid for itself in 2 scrap runs. he said it can strip 18 gage wires up to 7/0. He was joking one time about how his teenagers stripped all the scrap copper wire he had in the shop with the machine in one afternoon to pay for there Snow skiing trip, for them and there friends.
Never heard of paint making Copper pipe number 3... That's insane. Around here any dirty copper is number 2... Idk what that thing is talking about. Def a first for me. Usually number 3 only applies to copper wire insulated....
@LilMilely Which would have nothing to do with the pipe he sold to them right? To me it seems they were just trying to pay less. Here it only applies to insulated wires. 1 2 and then 3 for your 35-40 percent insulated which is your extension cords etc.
@@HardKnocksTime The pipe is #2 copper due to the paint, solder, and corrosion unless it's extremely heavy. #3 can be insulated copper but generally #3 Copper is old roofing/sheet copper with a copper recovery of 88% - 92%.
I used to work at a scrap yard. The scrap yard I worked for wouldn't sell anything to the public but they would sell to employees. I love old cars anything from around 1970 and older. I also love obs ford idi diesel trucks anything from 1983 till about 1994 I finally had to quit working for the scrap yard I was buying like 3 vehicles a week from them. I couldn't believe the old cars and trucks people would scrap I once bought a 1986 ford f250 4x4 6.9 diesel truck that someone scraped i bought it hauled it home got it running with a set of new glow plugs a return line kit and a fuel filter I sold that truck 2 days after listing it for 3800 dollars.
I can't believe all the different things. We've got over the years from junk removal things that with a little bit of work, they started right up and we sold them.
Here in California aluminum can recycling prices are subsidized by the State. Scrap yards should be paying around $1.75 per pound. Since most are crooked you'll be lucky to get 75 cents per pound.
@@LilMilelyYea, that's what I meant. If you find a yard that pays the subsidized price it's almost $2 per pound but most yards sell to other yards so you get 50 cents a pound. At a yard in Garden Grove you can get around $1.50 per pound.
@@southofhollywood4199 Only smaller and some medium sized yards that has lower quantities sells to other yards. Larger yards sell directly to the mills. Yards that do CRV Value are likely in a program with the state.
Where there is a problem with dealers, surely there must be a business opportunity to expand into the scrap business and treat customers with respect and honesty. Being screwed is not the way to treat good repeat customers. Jusyt my 22 cents worth
Scrap yards are one of the biggest crooks I am a union laborer and after the electricians we collect all the scrap and I spent many hours stripping the wrapping from the wire I got like over $600 dollars was great money but I know they cheat with the weight and everything but it's still extra money for me great video brother!!
Hey, brother. I love what you're doing here and really appreciate you giving us tips on how to sort our non-ferrous metals. I thought you should know that amazon sells decent wire strippers for a couple of hundred bucks and they work well. The machines are electric w/ automatic feeding once the rollers are in contact with the wire's insulation so there's not much skill required and a minimum wage employee could be feeding your bins through the machine, full-time, and you'll be turning a good profit while helping a young person with employment. Also, if you're concerned with the weights written on bins, grab a few empty ones and ask them to verify weights on the scale, I would be surprised if you found one that's off, I never have. If you buy your own scale, you will know exactly what you have before bringing it in.
in VA where we go that was number two ...there is no three here in Norfolk, Portsmouth,and they are full of it when the said brass shred for ur radiators.
When you have that much stuff. Why don't scrap yards set up appointment type setups. So that you can work on a one on one bases. It seems like that would create a better outcome .
Reminds me of when I used to hustle clothing when I was younger. Would buy from thrift shops, recondition/wash/etc and then sell to Buy-Sell-Trade style shops. They would usually price certain things certain amounts - I got used to receiving certain cash values for a quality of merchandise. Sometimes you'd take a load in and the person wasn't in a good mood or they find a flaw on something and you kinda get jipped. I was used to getting about $10-12 per item at this one store and then one day I go in and someone different did the buy and was telling me $6-7 per item.. So I ended up pulling the whole load. I took everything back and didn't really go back in there again. She lost that store a pretty good seller (me) and all the inventory I offered for what.. a few bucks on that particular buy? lol. If you treat your suppliers well, they tend to return to do business again.
Hit the nail on the head. The better you treat your customers the better your business will be. Also you get word of mouth and that's how people will continue to come back to your business. Don't cheat people! Thank you for the comment and thanks for watching!
I think you got screwed #2 is #2 one price number 2 is simply soldered joints and dirty . Number one is clean copper tubing .Bright and shiny was way to cheap also 3.00 minimum. You need to check prices before you go to any scrap yard make sure you get the best pricing. I have been doing this for quite a long time you are getting the shaft there.
We are limited to where we can go. This is the only available scrapyard we can go to at the moment. The other one for us is about 2:30 min away. We will try a different one in the future. Thanks for the comment.
After seeing the loads go, I called $12,000 before they said it. I've hauled a lot of scrap in the past. Bare bright never went for #1 copper for me. Bare Bright brings a higher price than #1. Copper pipe or tube, clean of solder, fittings and no corrosion, is #1 copper in my experience. In the northeast, they loved to call it a "mixed load" or "mixed metal" and drop the price as low as possible. In the South, they'll often let you sort it if you kept it sorted as you loaded it.. In the South, they'll tell you the grades. In the Northeast, the less the customer knows, they better they like it.
Yeah. The more you know going in the better. We learn something every time we go. Do you own your own business? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Scrap yards for some reason are notorious ripoffs..my local yard’s owners are multi millionaire property owners but they act like they aren’t making much more than the scrappers/sellers themselves on this stuff…which, we know to be completely bogus.
Got a scrap yard in Auburn ny. Take that same load to the scrap yard 35 min east you can almost double your money. Yet pic n pull still gets ppl bring in scrap 😂
I hauled 1600 lbs of 6061 CNC shred 3 times a week to the scrap yard and always got a great price . They would tell me when I pulled up if there had been a drop on the price and tried their best to get me to stock pile it and wait for a price increase . The guy I was hauling for didn't want to wait so I had to take what they paid . At the time aluminum was really paying extremely well and I was getting 35% just for hauling . I was prepared to stock pile it in a dump trailer and wait for the price to come back up but I wasn't able to do so . I was getting $1.65 a pound and the last load it dropped to .80 per pound , that was a kick in the ass to have to take that price but the shop I was hauling for sold and that was the final cleanout . I'm not even going to talk about the tons and tons of extruded I hauled to the scrap yard .
That's so good to hear when they work with you. Communication is key and when they appreciate you coming to them to their business everyone is happy. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment! When and where was that?
@@removeitprosdemolition North Little Rock , Arkansas about 10 years ago . Same guys are there and work with us extremely well . I still haul scrap but the CNC shop closed , hated that but the guy retired and the company was bought out and moved out of state .
It would make sense if they would have a menu of what is what. That would make too much sense,plus there are too many people saying what is what. No one is listening to the other.
I got the same deal a couple years ago, I made a complaint to the local Council and the Police, after several people complain they will remove their license to buy, its been done.
@@removeitprosdemolition Yes you can speak with either the city or county council and the sheriff, every business has to have acceptable practices to keep a license. I had a lock pick tell me he could unlock my car for 50$, when the guy showed up he said 120$ that 70$ was for showing up and 50 was to unlock it. I called the Police and when they showed he unlocked it for 50$, then the police filed a report that I took to the country council and had their business license removed, they had been doing that unlawful preying practice on several and gotten away with it.
Yup, you got ripped off. -Bare bright should be its own category and be the highest paid copper. -#1 is the next highest, clean copper with nothing unnatural coating the copper -#2 is any copper with anything like paint/solder etc on it -#3 is sheet copper, like old roofing etc A righteous scrap yard should actually have 4 grade levels for copper, and a really righteous scrap yard should except copper with green corrosion as #1(green is clean is the old saying, it’s natural and should NOT be downgraded) 1 cents per ton equals around $20, doesn’t sound like a lot but over time it is.
I think you maybe right. We learn every time we go and watch them closely. The little stuff does add up. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Yup, no problem. Love the channel. That’s the way we ALL learn…being taught and taking advice from others more experienced, but also trial and error, and then correcting your mistakes.👍 And yes, the little stuff does add up. The whole point of any business is MAXIMUM PROFIT at the least cost. Just think of it like when your investing long term in the markets, there is a huge difference in getting a 10% return every year over a few decades compared to getting 8% every year for a few decades…sounds small, but going from 10%-8% in a year is a 20% loss in reality…..
Also, I’m not a market maker/investment advisor, but if I were you I’d put like 50 lbs of your best bare wire to the side in an airtight container and save it every time you get a lot. (yes you might do better just taking cash and investing that in the S&P 500 etc etc) but at the same time a lot of people are saying 2025 is going to be “the year of copper” so it could possibly be worth it, I’ve got over 3,000 lbs set aside that I’m still adding to that I don’t sell…is nice having hard assets, I’ve been stacking gold/silver/platinum for the longest, buy not sell, and eventually realized why not free copper too? It’s nice having stuff outside of fiat/fiat based instruments.
i scrap for a living, im MARRIED TO STAFFY, and im 65 years old. #1. when i scrap a car, the price is the same as "tin" (less than 1/8th inch thick steel) so that is what they get. i strip it down and every bolt and nut comes off, every piece of wire etc... then i cut the body up into 2 pieces. i might put 3 different cars on the trailer, but none of those 3 pieces is from the same car, so nothing on the trailer but TIN #2 when i take in other metals , THEY DARE NOT TO DOWN GRADE MY STUFF, ILL PUT IT BACK ON THE TRUCK!!! #3 i absolutely HATE THIEVES!!! so if they even attempt to steal from me, i will refuse to ever take them 1 screw!
Good to hear. Don't let them slide on anything. You work hard for what you do and you deserve the most for what you have. Where do you scrap at? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Know its a big hassle selling condensing units but where I live we had nogoodnics selling well over a hundred feet units before they were caught. Now houses & businesses have ugly fences around condensing units.
There is another scrapyard with new owner but we are waiting until they get a little better organized until we give them a shot. Other than that we would have to travel a bit. Thanks for watching.
Not long ago I took in 4 , 5 gallon buckets full of wheel weights some guy sticks his magnet to the metal clips on 2 weights and says I quote this is mostly steel we can only give you scrap steel price for it. i laughed took my stuff to another yard and got 20Cents a pound for it. needless to say none of our scrap goes to that location anymore.
Dang I hate seeing that wire getting sold for so cheap, the last time I check it was about $500 for a 2500 ft roll of THHN 12 solid. It's kinda like the metal you feed your plasma table is about $1 / pd that turns into 2-1/2 cents per pound scrap metal..
I highly recommend going to a different yard. Bare bright should be around $3.10 - $3.40 LB #2 Copper - $2.80 - $3.15 LB #1 ICW - THHN $2.00 - $2.20 LB #1 ICW - Romex $1.75 - $1.90 LB
@@removeitprosdemolition Iscrapapp provides national scrap pricing on a range of scrap materials. I'm a yard owner as well so I got a lot resources to determine pricing based on today's market
In Lexington Kentucky, where I live the copper with no insulation or soldier ,but has the weathering or blueish color on it is #1 copper dirty. The price should be more than #2 or #3.
Wow they are paying crap for sheet aluminum... its over 50 cents in NY right now. Heck...i just got paid over 40 cents for cast aluminum.. Thanks for the video...
I would never take in that much at one time. I would have one of ir guys stand there and keep a eye on what goes on it because u should have made way more than that.
We did have our guy who runs all the crews watch "Them" at the computer and asking all the questions on why they were giving us the pricing they were so we can be better prepared for next time. Thank you for the comment.
@@removeitprosdemolition Because they regularly rip people off paying well bellow fair market value for scrap. They wamted you gone fast so you could not record them ripping off small time scrappers while you were the only ones there. I only turn in certian metals when they are paying fair market value and someone else has gon in before me with a small load to test the waters and catch them and get everyone else a fair price by locking them in to there word at the start of the day.
If you’re in Tampa area, take it to Edge Metals. I’ve learned that TMR, CMC, and others will nickel and dime you and screw you over bad. Edge metals will take care of you well and when you bring in large amounts of material, they actually pay you more than the list price… I’ve gone there for years and they always take care of me really good!! I do have great rapport with the guys at the scales and tip them too. It goes a LONG way!!!!
Every time I go to the scrap yard I get ripped off. Every single time. Doesn't matter if it's a big load or small load they screw me over Every single time. And that's at multiple yards
Way to get on their good side. Argue every time you're there, call her a dude, and then take all their carts hahaha. I'm just messing with you! I like the videos.
Copper is way up Monday we are going to the scrap yard with a huge load. Just finished up those 4 large demos and got our scrap caught up....might be $3X,XXX
As someone who has worked in the scrap industry for the past 14 years here in TN and continues to do so.... I've never heard of copper tubing with paint going as #3 copper thats #2 all day. I've never heard of clean copper tubbing without any solder, paint, joints etc going as #2 copper thats #1. Idk what that yard is doing but it really looks like they are just scamming you. Even that aluminium you dropped off they could have done you better instead of down grading an entire load for just a few pieces
Yes. It's very frustrating when we take the time and effort processing for them to take the wind out of our sails. That's why when we go we try to keep and eye on what's going on and push back when we can. We will try a different scrapyard sometime in the future. Thanks for the comment.
When I buy scrap a if there is only a few dirty pieces I let it go call it clean and pull the few out that are dirty keeps customers happy and want to come back to do business I educate the customer so next time they separate better next time
Yes, there are too many crooks in every aspect of the business now, but I still love that you recycle metals. We need more of your crew out there!
Thanks for the words of encouragement.....
Not really it’s hard to decipher,
On both sides Of the coin,
People try to sneak in shit all the time, and scrapers treat everyone like thieves & liars when that’s not always the case. But when you’re selling stuff on a pound a pound basis, you literally have to watch every pound.
He got robbed
Hello.@@removeitprosdemolition
At the smelter down the line, I bet they throw all types of copper into the same cauldron and skim the impurities off the top while laughing about the term "different grades".
You got it.
Running a smelter isn’t cheap. It’s also time consuming. Why shouldn’t they pay based on grade? The customer can feel free to buy their own smelter and spend their own time making ingot if they wanna be paid premium
Smelters will reject or downgrade a 10,000 lb load from a yard in heart beat if it doesnt meet their spec.
Not all smelters are able to handle the dirty stuff either.
Most shady yards are actually just not good at sorting their material/understanding the categories and have been burnt too many times selling their loads so they just buy all copper as #2 price type of a thing.
Your lack of understanding does not change the complexity of the world around you. You better believe smelters control what goes in... because that is the lowest effort highest return work. Correcting in the crucible is expensive. Might not even be possible depending on the contaminate, and the volume.
I've hauled copper out of this very scrap yard to Pittsburgh watched them throw the entire pallet and everything in to the forge I have videos of it lmao
Most scrapyard guys are crooks. They find all sorts of "details" to downgrade your scrap to ferrous shredded. No wonder no on bothers to recycle anything.
here here!!!
@removeitprosdemolition Instead of this yard. Even though it's a little further, I would love to see a video of the other scrap yard you talked about the last time. I bet you'd do better then this place. This place is a joke and it pisses me off that they do the shit they do to you and the crew. I would give them zero business. Go to the other one brother. These people are skimming off every pound you bring in and it's plain to see with this going on yet again here. That aluminum when that guy came over in the one vid, probably would've punched him in the face. He knew what he was doing. Knowing you all wouldn't load it back up he waited until the end to say something. Stood there and watched the whole time. That was 100% his plan. The yard sorts it out anyway before it's bailed in their crusher. Floors me! You being them a lot of money when you show up and yet still they pull that bullshit! Says a l9t about their business practices and moral... These yards around here would bow to you with that kind of scrap... They also would up pricing because of the quantity you bring in. I used to bring in mass amount of copper and about 62 tons of aluminum a month. They always paid up for the weight because it was so much. You're in Florida? I'll see if they have a yard there but I am not sure. They also provide a daily price sheet via email you can view the daily payout prices. Let me look and see if they're down your way but may only be around my neck of the woods.
Thanks for the information, we are looking for a better place to go....this is a small area................
no one bothers to spellcheck
I love how they add stuff to the scale and act like they are keeping track of it for you.
As others have said you all 100% got screwed. I’ve never heard of #3 copper pipe. Here copper pipe is #1 tarnished or not & #2 is contaminated with paint / joints. I live near Phoenix & if I go to the yard 10 mins from my house I get far less. I will drive 45 mins to the yard where the amount they pay out doubles the money I make. I would love to see a video of a mega scrap haul going to Sarasota!
Same here number one is clean an #2 is dirty with solder paint or tarnish
That's the way I understand it.
It's ALWAYS worth driving further to a place that won't rip you off. I can scrap 10 minutes from my house, or drive to Boston. Guess which one pays me more than double??
We negotiated with them on this run called them on the number 3 copper, we made the most on one scrap run ever, finishing the video now...
No paint no solder joints that’s number one copper whether it’s tarnished or not they’re screwing you
That's why we try to be as organized as we can when we go. Not much we can do about how they price it. We always ask the "Why's & How's" for next time we process stuff. Thanks for the comment.
It used to be but no, the market has changed since China & Russia used to be a big buyer of our Metal. Now with president Biden & certain sanctions it stays in America & American buyers are much more picky.
I’ve been scrapping for 30 years and number one copper has always been no solder no cover and it doesn’t matter whether it’s brown or bright. It’s number one copper number two has solder joints, connector, ends, plugs, and different things like that on it but I always get those two prices.
@@Jpassione58 Dude I know, can't undetsand it.....
@@removeitprosdemolition do yourself a favor find another scrapyard, even if you have to drive a little further. You will make a lot more money.
I went to my local scrapyard and the guy working in the nonferrous section told me he couldn't give me any prices until pay out and that was a good time to leave. That was the owners son
Hahaha fuck that wtf
That doesn't sound fair at all. Different scrapyard time. Thanks for the comment.
Lol I brought in a little pile of copper one day at the scale I asked for price guy says .....so much,OK cool then I go to the office they tried to tell me like 25 cents per lb less nope went and made em gimme my copper back ! Jackass
Crazy.
I can get current prices over the phone. Between 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. it might change a few pennies, but usually not.
I understand your frustration! I live in a small town in Nova Scotia. The couple of scrap dealers are pretty honest. They have to be with it being a small area haha! One time, we broke our backs moving two medium size safes that weighed a ton, only to get like $20 a piece, because it turns out they are mainly filled with concrete! I enjoy watching your show!
Yes. It can be a lot of work for little reward if you're not careful. Keep trying! Thanks for your comment and we will see you on the next video! Let us know if there is something you want to see in one of our future videos!
The yard around me won't even take safes. You have to break them apart and just bring them the steel.
Because of the concrete?
Every scrap yard I’ve dealt with here in MD, #1 Cooper is clean copper pipe as long as it doesn’t have lead or paint. #2 is soldered or painted pipes. #1 wire is bare and bright, #2 is jacketed wire. The last category is dirt mixed copper. But it’s been years since I’ve done any of that.
I would agree with you 100%.
Where I live here in Indiana. We also have a cat5 category for wire it's a communication wire. Witch pays really good. I just thought I would let you guys know that. God bless you and your family my friend.
Same here
@@mikebaize6971I'm in West Lafayette and because of some properties we own on Estero I found this channel and am learning quite a lot. Appreciate your reply and kudos to these folks and their endeavor. Good content.
Real smart to put handles at bottom
Thanks.....
Yes, a couple of the barrels didn't have any and they struggled a bit.
Pro TIP. lol
Appreciate the video . Time to find a better scrapyard in my opinion always watch it get weighed. Downgrading to a lower grade because of a few bits is absolutely rediculous considering the size of your haul. Daylight robbery. As the other fellas said number 3 copper never heard of it. They should be looking after the customers not ripping them off im really suprised they get any customers at all.
Funny I never heard of it either....constantly changing...
The scrap yard I work at has always had an insulated #3 which is just common house hold cords from certain appliances.
If you change yards then you won't know what the new con is on the new yard. I know my yard and what they fuck me on, & what I can get away with to fuck them.
We interviewed our rep, the guy said there was no #3 as described in the video he described it as a kind of thin sheet cooper.
That copper pipe with no joint is number one all day anywhere in the country. Those people are ripping you off big time.
I agree, about ready for the next load it's going to be epic......
I would have walked away after the second interaction with the confused individual with an attitude.
2:53 yea that is a very very common problem i run across as well these days🤣
Times are changing..that's for sure.
I was a 2 man crew years ago here in Kentucky in the same business. We averaged around $100k annually. For 4 years, I was into heavy before prices dropped.
I always found when bringing in volume, the yard would pay me premiums if I just spoke with the higher ups and agreed to bring everything to them instead of their competitor. I geuss things are different in different areas. I really enjoyed the breaking things down etc and the hunt. Thanks for sharing your adventures. You guys definitely need to make sure you know your non ferrous materials.
I thought we know our metal but then after the comments on this videos, I question that.....
I agree if you have a bigger volume then normal, always ask for a better price
You did an excellent job at seperating and organizing. I scraped many things in my days. Including a 1967 Peterbuilt dump truck.
Wow. That must have been quit the hall. We've been doing this for a little while now and know the more organized we get the more efficient and worth it it is for us. Plus it's less headache when we get to the scrap yard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
We have the same problem with the yards up here in Detroit Mi. Plus with the new laws. The pay check you just got would have had to wait for a week to get your check delivered to you. But they grease there prices even more up here.
Thanks for watching.
They're kinda snarky there arent they...you guys know your stuff and do a great job!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
I feel your pain. I lived in Newark Delaware and loved going to tile scrap yard for years until they changed everything and started running it like the one in the video.
I’ve lost soo much money there bc of stupid shit that I had to get out of that kind of work.
But you guys are killing it!!
It's funny to see how things have progressed to this point with this scrapyard
You have enough electrical wiring to justify getting a granulation machine to separate the pvc from the copper
What is a granulation machine.....how much and here do you get one?
@@removeitprosdemolition Wire granulators take scrap copper wire and separate the copper from the plastic that insulates the wire. Cost can vary depending on the size of the machine.
@@removeitprosdemolitionwire strippers
It removes the insulation and cuts the wire into tiny bits. Clean bits@@removeitprosdemolition
@removeitprosdemolition there are machines that you can run all the wire through and strip them down without granulating. I guess either way would pay enough more to make it worth it
Great perspective! I had the same experience and the scales are a pain! Thank you for this video and what a haul!!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Where are you located at? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Local yard to me, you have to break everything down (take motors off machines, put in different pile) and drive around yard dropping stuff in different piles. I am not talking different grades of copper but steel and such. Then they pay you for the lowest per pound price for the entire load.
So now I just get weighed and dump it next to the scale. They can sort it.
Shreds
No paint or solder its number 1 copper
Exactly
Your absolutely right
Exactly this scrap yard rips people off
I can confirm, I am a yard owner myself.
#1 Copper is copper tubing with no paint, solder, coatings and very little corrosion.
@@LilMilely Interesting............is there something know as #3 copper?
I've scrapped stuff for years, in several states. They are all the same, you have to know what you have and fight with them.
Bah, its basically free money for junk ripped out of a house/building being torn down anyway
Thanks for the input....which states?
@@removeitprosdemolition - Washington and Oregon and Cali. We had an outfit down the road we called the Koreans... had to watch them like a hawk.
@@HobbyOrganistExactly, but these guys did actually put in alot of effort to try to have it all separated properly. Compared to the people i get at my yard that like to have trash & get mad I wont except or offer them a very low price.
@@BobM.-to9jiThat's the three states I expected you would say lol
Aurubis secondary copper smelter to open in Augusta, Georgia soon. I think it would be cool to get plant tour for your channel
Copper smelter tell me more....
They have a lead smelt in Tampa . Battery break retrieve lead, smelt lead sell back to battery companies
That's the 1st thing I did with my barrels is put both top and bottom handles on them. Only difference in mine is that I got mine free. You can get them online all the time. You and your team work tirelessly on that metal and with your smarts of finding homes I know definitely that you can find another scrap yard to take your truck with trailer to.
That's a good point....we have another scrap yard they have been a mess, we will try them soon they were just sold and we have high hopes that they can get their act together....
@@removeitprosdemolition sims metal management has yards on the east side of Florida. By like west palm beach or something? They are probably the yard that most of your smaller yards take the metal to. It might benefit you to call them and check out how they operate. With $11k loads it wouldn’t hurt to drive a bit, although I don’t know where your located.
It's interesting to see how different operations can be from place to place. I work in a scrapyard similar to this one but much smaller, we are only 2 people there. Having slight variations in material grading between different scrapyards is common simply due to where the scrapyards resell the metals. If 2 yards sell to different end clients, then grading and prices will likely differ slightly (emphasis on slightly)
Our standard practice is informing our clients how they best sort their materials in order to make the most profit. This may seem counter intuitive, but all the labor we save by not having to do much sorting and refining turns out to be the most profitable solution for both our company and our clients. We can't always offer the best price per kilo, sometimes our competitors have slightly better prices, that's just how the market works, so it's always a proud moment when we have clients tell us that they drive past a handful of other scrapyards to visit us because they trust us and it's an overall better experience to visit our yard. My point being that we are not all the same :)
That's good Karma, excellent business practice. We do demo the same way, we have more Google reviews than all the 30 companies we compete with put together. A good reputation is better than money!
Good to see re using of materials
We try our best to recycle & reuse everything we can as long as it's cost effective. Have you ever taking anything to the scrapyard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I love this content as I'm a construction superintendent and I know exactly your business models and bidding practices including recycling in the project bid. Much success to you folks and a profitable 2024.
Thank you...
My local yard he in the UK used to pay the same for copper regardless. The other 2 yards are a bit more fussy.
Unfortunately, my favourite yard closed after Christmas so I have to go to the fussier yards instead.
Wow. The UK. Are you in the scrapping business? Sometimes options are limited. Just be sure to be on your toes when they complain about something! Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I loved this video. I’m looking forward to the next one.
Thanks for the positive vibes!!!
I really enjoy watching thank you
Thanks for letting me know. Do you scrap?
my buddy and I did aluminum siding when we were in collage some 40 years ago. when we brought the scap in they used to advertise 30 cents a lb and pay 18 cents as it had paint or some other reason. we got even last of the summer they bought a bunch of water for 20 cents!
Wow. Where were you guys when you did that? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
NJ, they would weight the truck with trashcans that contained the metal and 6 inches or more of water. dumped it and weighed out@@removeitprosdemolition
I always feel bad for the rookies. I remember how it felt just starting and learning how to identify and separate everything. They get screwed so bad and so did i. I live in a smaller city now and honestly the yard I go to is very chill and they help a lot. I think they are doing well and have no need to cheat nickle n diming people. Im glad
You know the rookies on both sides. One of the guys this working at that scrap. Yard reached out to us and told us that people are getting fired over our videos. I don't understand why they would get fired for doing their job correctly. But I don't even know that it's true, but I know that the owner of the company called us and asked us. To not video there anymore and my general manager is like, okay, well, what do you got to hide? I said we had nothing to hide. What do you guys got to hide all we're doing is? This is just part of our business process. And he said, well, one of the employees went all the way up to the owner of the company and its a pretty big company. And was complaining about being videotaped and it's that person that I had dialogue with who sold us bought our stuff as number 3 copper, which nobody has ever heard of at least on TH-cam. There is a number 3 copper according to the grading scale. According to it's like sheet, real thin sheet. Copper, that's what was explained to us. Well, next video will be out in a minute and it's going to talk all about, and we actually interviewed the guy that's in charge of our our account so you should be interesting. They didn't want to burn a bridge they made. We. We made about 50 grand last month off the scrap metal. So that means they're making 50 to a 100 grand off of our scrap metal and all we're doing is bringing it to them. So I don't know with that math. I could get over a lot of things. Couldn't you so we'll see what happens? We're not stuck with this yard. They're just doing the best job here that we know of. In the sense that we don't have to be in the dirt, the mud like you would in a lot of the other yards.
@@removeitprosdemolitionstrange how much dramas going on at that yard lol most places don’t care bout recording. I agree, they seem clean, lotsa space, and pretty fast with what they do - so thats a plus. It’s just a shame that you gotta fight for whats fair. Interested to see how the future goes! Good luck 🤞 i wish I had those size drop offs lol do you quote your demo jobs with approx scrap returns factored in? Or is the scrap just a nice bonus for you guys?
Scrap is a bonus, its extra work..
@@removeitprosdemolitionright on, that’s awesome. I know a lot of contractors like plumbers that factor it into their quotes to try and be more competitive pricing wise, but also every plumbing company expects the employees to bring it all back to the office and save it for “the company xmas party” or some other B.S. reason lol like as if the company shouldn’t be paying for that kinda stuff out of pocket lol
You have a good crew of hard workers.
We have a nice culture, respect!!
At the end, that's the u have to do it. U have to go through the scale multiple times to get different prices for different things/ materials.
Here that's what they want, they are in consistent, one person tells on e one thing and another tells you something else.
American Manufacturing in Fremont CA closed down many years ago. They had been supplying the US navy with base plates to their giant guns. A guy I met at Schnitzer Oakland, told me that his brother-in-law was the superintendent on Demolishing the plant and let him scrap out the base plates. They were 14 or 18 feet in diameter and three inches thick, four in total and solid copper !!!
BONUS !
Holy moly!!
I scrapped heavy in early 2000’s. I thought I was rich getting 60 cent a pound for copper. Dealt with 3 different yards over the years and stopped using one after they paid me less for twice as much copper radiator than the day before. Ended up using a family owned business for most of my scrap.If I had a large amount I could negotiate a better price and after dealing with them for years I could bring in regulated items with little hassle. Thanks to thieves you can’t even scrap your personal a/c without paperwork at one yard. Enjoyed the video. Be Safe!
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I have been to that scrap yard. It is my firmly held belief that they are coached to make up "rules" - find ways to downgrade the load - AND to NOT say anything and just arbitrarily downgrade the load and hope you aren't paying attention etc . .
Have you been cheated by them?
All scrap yards seem to make up their own rules, but for a big customer they usually relax them. Copper #3 never heard of that for paint that goes with the solder normally.
The number three is a new one to us as well......I am looking into it!
Paint, Solder, medium corrosion goes as number #2 Copper regardless unless it's extremely heavy. #3 Copper is mainly sheet copper from roofing.
Number three in New York is really old copper pans and buckets
@@mikekatura6657 I hear you.
When you go back there will be a #4 and #5 copper. #4 is copper of a box truck, #5 copper is off a pickup, down graded because it was exposed to the elements on the way to the scrap yard.
It's crazy but we learn every time we go and we will get better at processing. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
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Great character all around. Even when you lost your cool and told him to keep the ticket. He was stiffing you when he could have told you to take the few pieces with you, no big deal. Majority of recyclers operate in this same fashion. Those that make a living scrapping are the real victims. Greetings from Loxahatchee.
Scrap yards are like used car salesmen always looking to screw you.
That's been my experience with most yards....
As a used car salesman.
"Customers are like scrap yards always trying to screw you"
I'm not sure what people expect from used car salesman expect that they want them to know everything about every car and how long it's going to last while turning a blind eye to the hooptie they are trying to trade in for a decent car. 😅
touche'
From my experience at working at a yard. The majority of the people that come in are trying to screw the yard over. They always claim ignorance when caught, I gain nothing for screwing someone over. In fact I’ll teach anyone how to recycle. But most turn their brains off as soon as I start telling them what to do. I call it peddler brain.
They are scamming you, No Sauder but green corrosion is fine for #1 Here in my yard, You have to call before your there & get the price for the scrap metal or when your there they will low ball you because your there, You need to get your foreman at the scale writing down all the weights & tare or you will loose lots of weight, I have been doing this for 40 Years, You guys have great demo videos keep them coming.
Where are you located? Thanks for your comment. I love this industry. More videos to come!
I like your team and how you operate.
Thanks.....
They should roll out the red carpet for the amount you guys have !
exactly, but they know you aren't going anywhere else so they got you by the balls.
Thank you. We would like to think they want our business. We try to be as organized as we can every time we go.
You should at least get 5-10 cent a pound more with the volume you are bringing in and sorted.
Glad I watched, not going there now. I have a lot of copper from repipes on FMB & Bonita Bch. I’ve been a plumber for a long time and have never heard of #3 copper. Scrap yards have always been shady but this is a new low. Mikey Pipes on YT has been melting down his in to ingots but I’m not sure the cost of propane makes sense, it’s just fun
Glad you watched the video. Just have to do your best while processing what you have. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.
#3? never heard of it at any yard I've been to (midwest) they are going to take your tarnished and blend it in with #1 that is why the want it separate. Every place does things diff.
My scrap yard has number three but it’s sheet copper, so gutters or flashing. I have an old copper pot that I’m not sure what it would be considered.
I did check and ask about #3, roofing copper. one thing I don't mess with, so they never gave me pricing for it.
Everyplace does it different and Florida can be tricky. We learn something new every time we go to the scrapyard. Thanks for the comment!
Same as the scrap yard I go to they don't tell you anything and don't say much very strange environment sometimes but I cash out and hall ass and it's over, but hey great video guys extreme haul ✊😎🔥
New scrap video out very soon!!
YOU COULD GET A CARD BOARD BALER TO BAIL YOUR NON FERROUS STUFFI GET A LOT OF SHEET ALUMINUM AND TIN HELMIM JUST TRYING TO HELP OUT
That's an idea...........
I just love when they start shouting "it's all the same". I'm just a casual part timer, I take steel and non-ferrous to two different yards. My biggest non-ferrous load was $2K, I get $5-600 for a load of prepared steel on a single axle trailer.
You're doing good! All that stuff adds up. Those aren't small numbers. Keep it going! What kind of business do you do? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Scrap yards are crooks, because tarnished copper they dock you for it, but they sell it for the same price as bright copper to the buyer.
You are better off if you smelt it and pour int into ingots.
I have a friend with a machine shop, and he got fed up so he melts all his metals down to ingots. As he got tired of being cheated.
Correct. Your buddy is on the right track. Where are you guys located? Thanks for the comment.
@@removeitprosdemolition Oklahoma City, my friend owns a machine shop that worked with many exotic metals, as he hold several DoD contracts.
He has one mill that is so big, the machinist rides on it to mill wing supports for military craft.
He had a very expensive metal, because of heat bluing they told him it was low grade metal. He cast into a ingot and got full price.
He bought an electric arch furnace to melt his scrap down, and it has allowed him to get top price.
When you are milling wing supports for a B52, the billet of aluminium is massive.
He has 2 mills that is dedicated to milling very large parts.
How does he melt in down and does he melt it with the plastic on or off?
@@removeitprosdemolition all the metal he melts are the machining's and cutoffs from the milling process of parts he is manufacturing. So the metal he is dealing with is without insulation. He is dealing with Titanium, Aluminum, aircraft grade Aluminum, Magnesium, Nickel, Copper, High quality Brass, Inconel and many other very expensive metals and metal alloys.
With that said a friend of his is a commercial electrician, that owns his own company, and he scraps out wire, and he has an automated machine that removes the insulation off the copper wires, you just feed the wire in one side and out the other side is clean wire.
This machine he said it paid for itself in 2 scrap runs. he said it can strip 18 gage wires up to 7/0.
He was joking one time about how his teenagers stripped all the scrap copper wire he had in the shop with the machine in one afternoon to pay for there Snow skiing trip, for them and there friends.
@@raymondheckard234 Thanks for the information!!!
Never heard of paint making Copper pipe number 3... That's insane. Around here any dirty copper is number 2... Idk what that thing is talking about. Def a first for me. Usually number 3 only applies to copper wire insulated....
#3 copper is sheet copper
@LilMilely Which would have nothing to do with the pipe he sold to them right? To me it seems they were just trying to pay less. Here it only applies to insulated wires. 1 2 and then 3 for your 35-40 percent insulated which is your extension cords etc.
@@HardKnocksTime The pipe is #2 copper due to the paint, solder, and corrosion unless it's extremely heavy. #3 can be insulated copper but generally #3 Copper is old roofing/sheet copper with a copper recovery of 88% - 92%.
@LilMilely I agree. But that what he had in that bin, was not number 3 by a long shot.
@@HardKnocksTime Correct.
Haul scrap out of there all the time bringing it up north to a coil plant in PA, thank you guys for keeping the economy going out of swfl
Are you a truck driver?
@@removeitprosdemolition yes
From naples fl my whole life
I used to work at a scrap yard. The scrap yard I worked for wouldn't sell anything to the public but they would sell to employees. I love old cars anything from around 1970 and older. I also love obs ford idi diesel trucks anything from 1983 till about 1994 I finally had to quit working for the scrap yard I was buying like 3 vehicles a week from them. I couldn't believe the old cars and trucks people would scrap I once bought a 1986 ford f250 4x4 6.9 diesel truck that someone scraped i bought it hauled it home got it running with a set of new glow plugs a return line kit and a fuel filter I sold that truck 2 days after listing it for 3800 dollars.
I can't believe all the different things. We've got over the years from junk removal things that with a little bit of work, they started right up and we sold them.
Here in California aluminum can recycling prices are subsidized by the State. Scrap yards should be paying around $1.75 per pound. Since most are crooked you'll be lucky to get 75 cents per pound.
That's CRV Value. Yards are usually paying between 45 and 65 cents per lb
@@LilMilelyYea, that's what I meant. If you find a yard that pays the subsidized price it's almost $2 per pound but most yards sell to other yards so you get 50 cents a pound. At a yard in Garden Grove you can get around $1.50 per pound.
@@southofhollywood4199 Only smaller and some medium sized yards that has lower quantities sells to other yards. Larger yards sell directly to the mills. Yards that do CRV Value are likely in a program with the state.
@@LilMilelyYup, recently people got arrested for bringing aluminum cans from Arizona and getting the state subsidized price in California.
@@southofhollywood4199 yup, people do it all the time.
Where there is a problem with dealers, surely there must be a business opportunity to expand into the scrap business and treat customers with respect and honesty. Being screwed is not the way to treat good repeat customers. Jusyt my 22 cents worth
Its not my business model...for sure.
Scrap yards are one of the biggest crooks I am a union laborer and after the electricians we collect all the scrap and I spent many hours stripping the wrapping from the wire I got like over $600 dollars was great money but I know they cheat with the weight and everything but it's still extra money for me great video brother!!
Thanks.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN ON DEMO BUILDING HOUSES SHOPING MALLS
Give it a shot if you have the resources. You never know where it might take you! Are you already in the industry?
Built big tunnel under big pile for years now . . .
I'm sorry i'm not following you
Hey, brother. I love what you're doing here and really appreciate you giving us tips on how to sort our non-ferrous metals. I thought you should know that amazon sells decent wire strippers for a couple of hundred bucks and they work well. The machines are electric w/ automatic feeding once the rollers are in contact with the wire's insulation so there's not much skill required and a minimum wage employee could be feeding your bins through the machine, full-time, and you'll be turning a good profit while helping a young person with employment.
Also, if you're concerned with the weights written on bins, grab a few empty ones and ask them to verify weights on the scale, I would be surprised if you found one that's off, I never have. If you buy your own scale, you will know exactly what you have before bringing it in.
I just bought two more. Scrap is a side deal for us keeping guys busy, mostly.
in VA where we go that was number two ...there is no three here in Norfolk, Portsmouth,and they are full of it when the said brass shred for ur radiators.
I've been scrapping a very long time and i've never heard of number three either
When you have that much stuff. Why don't scrap yards set up appointment type setups. So that you can work on a one on one bases. It seems like that would create a better outcome .
I agree...
Reminds me of when I used to hustle clothing when I was younger. Would buy from thrift shops, recondition/wash/etc and then sell to Buy-Sell-Trade style shops.
They would usually price certain things certain amounts - I got used to receiving certain cash values for a quality of merchandise. Sometimes you'd take a load in and the person wasn't in a good mood or they find a flaw on something and you kinda get jipped. I was used to getting about $10-12 per item at this one store and then one day I go in and someone different did the buy and was telling me $6-7 per item.. So I ended up pulling the whole load. I took everything back and didn't really go back in there again. She lost that store a pretty good seller (me) and all the inventory I offered for what.. a few bucks on that particular buy? lol.
If you treat your suppliers well, they tend to return to do business again.
Hit the nail on the head. The better you treat your customers the better your business will be. Also you get word of mouth and that's how people will continue to come back to your business. Don't cheat people! Thank you for the comment and thanks for watching!
I think you got screwed #2 is #2 one price number 2 is simply soldered joints and dirty . Number one is clean copper tubing .Bright and shiny was way to cheap also 3.00 minimum. You need to check prices before you go to any scrap yard make sure you get the best pricing. I have been doing this for quite a long time you are getting the shaft there.
Depends where you live. My scrap guys seem pretty honest, small town style. Next yard is a two hour drive away, so………
We are limited to where we can go. This is the only available scrapyard we can go to at the moment. The other one for us is about 2:30 min away. We will try a different one in the future. Thanks for the comment.
After seeing the loads go, I called $12,000 before they said it. I've hauled a lot of scrap in the past.
Bare bright never went for #1 copper for me. Bare Bright brings a higher price than #1. Copper pipe or tube, clean of solder, fittings and no corrosion, is #1 copper in my experience.
In the northeast, they loved to call it a "mixed load" or "mixed metal" and drop the price as low as possible. In the South, they'll often let you sort it if you kept it sorted as you loaded it.. In the South, they'll tell you the grades. In the Northeast, the less the customer knows, they better they like it.
Yeah. The more you know going in the better. We learn something every time we go. Do you own your own business? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
in the uk the clean copper and tarnished would all of gone through as heavy copper at around £5.20 per kilo or $2.64 a pound
Very nice! Do you do a lot of scrapping? Thanks for the comment.
Scrap yards for some reason are notorious ripoffs..my local yard’s owners are multi millionaire property owners but they act like they aren’t making much more than the scrappers/sellers themselves on this stuff…which, we know to be completely bogus.
I see that as well!!
Same here in Denver.
Got a scrap yard in Auburn ny. Take that same load to the scrap yard 35 min east you can almost double your money.
Yet pic n pull still gets ppl bring in scrap 😂
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I hauled 1600 lbs of 6061 CNC shred 3 times a week to the scrap yard and always got a great price . They would tell me when I pulled up if there had been a drop on the price and tried their best to get me to stock pile it and wait for a price increase . The guy I was hauling for didn't want to wait so I had to take what they paid . At the time aluminum was really paying extremely well and I was getting 35% just for hauling . I was prepared to stock pile it in a dump trailer and wait for the price to come back up but I wasn't able to do so . I was getting $1.65 a pound and the last load it dropped to .80 per pound , that was a kick in the ass to have to take that price but the shop I was hauling for sold and that was the final cleanout . I'm not even going to talk about the tons and tons of extruded I hauled to the scrap yard .
That's so good to hear when they work with you. Communication is key and when they appreciate you coming to them to their business everyone is happy. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment! When and where was that?
@@removeitprosdemolition North Little Rock , Arkansas about 10 years ago . Same guys are there and work with us extremely well . I still haul scrap but the CNC shop closed , hated that but the guy retired and the company was bought out and moved out of state .
lol I just got booted out of the local yard - because I keep catching them cheating me - I feel your pain!
What happened?
@@removeitprosdemolition I weigh my stuff before I go in and kept catching them cheating me big time -
Very interesting video. I wouldn't want to breathe in all that dust off of those radiators though.
Great point! Thanks for watching!
It would make sense if they would have a menu of what is what. That would make too much sense,plus there are too many people saying what is what. No one is listening to the other.
Yep that is exactly it.....
I got the same deal a couple years ago, I made a complaint to the local Council and the Police, after several people complain they will remove their license to buy, its been done.
No kidding
@@removeitprosdemolition Yes you can speak with either the city or county council and the sheriff, every business has to have acceptable practices to keep a license. I had a lock pick tell me he could unlock my car for 50$, when the guy showed up he said 120$ that 70$ was for showing up and 50 was to unlock it. I called the Police and when they showed he unlocked it for 50$, then the police filed a report that I took to the country council and had their business license removed, they had been doing that unlawful preying practice on several and gotten away with it.
Yup, you got ripped off.
-Bare bright should be its own category and be the highest paid copper.
-#1 is the next highest, clean copper with nothing unnatural coating the copper
-#2 is any copper with anything like paint/solder etc on it
-#3 is sheet copper, like old roofing etc
A righteous scrap yard should actually have 4 grade levels for copper, and a really righteous scrap yard should except copper with green corrosion as #1(green is clean is the old saying, it’s natural and should NOT be downgraded)
1 cents per ton equals around $20, doesn’t sound like a lot but over time it is.
I think you maybe right. We learn every time we go and watch them closely. The little stuff does add up. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Yup, no problem. Love the channel.
That’s the way we ALL learn…being taught and taking advice from others more experienced, but also trial and error, and then correcting your mistakes.👍
And yes, the little stuff does add up. The whole point of any business is MAXIMUM PROFIT at the least cost. Just think of it like when your investing long term in the markets, there is a huge difference in getting a 10% return every year over a few decades compared to getting 8% every year for a few decades…sounds small, but going from 10%-8% in a year is a 20% loss in reality…..
Also, I’m not a market maker/investment advisor, but if I were you I’d put like 50 lbs of your best bare wire to the side in an airtight container and save it every time you get a lot. (yes you might do better just taking cash and investing that in the S&P 500 etc etc) but at the same time a lot of people are saying 2025 is going to be “the year of copper” so it could possibly be worth it, I’ve got over 3,000 lbs set aside that I’m still adding to that I don’t sell…is nice having hard assets, I’ve been stacking gold/silver/platinum for the longest, buy not sell, and eventually realized why not free copper too? It’s nice having stuff outside of fiat/fiat based instruments.
1 cent per ton?
Too bad it’s such a far run to Miami, project shop fl seems to do great price wise down there.
Nice. We do have another scrapyard we are going to try in the future. Are you located in Florida? Thanks for watching!
I’m located up in Maine, I hope you have better luck at the other yard.@@removeitprosdemolition
i scrap for a living, im MARRIED TO STAFFY, and im 65 years old.
#1. when i scrap a car, the price is the same as "tin" (less than 1/8th inch thick steel) so that is what they get. i strip it down and every bolt and nut comes off, every piece of wire etc... then i cut the body up into 2 pieces. i might put 3 different cars on the trailer, but none of those 3 pieces is from the same car, so nothing on the trailer but TIN
#2 when i take in other metals , THEY DARE NOT TO DOWN GRADE MY STUFF, ILL PUT IT BACK ON THE TRUCK!!!
#3 i absolutely HATE THIEVES!!! so if they even attempt to steal from me, i will refuse to ever take them 1 screw!
Good to hear. Don't let them slide on anything. You work hard for what you do and you deserve the most for what you have. Where do you scrap at? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
For the wire you can put it on pallets and pour diesel on it the insulation will be gone
No kidding gonna give that a try.
Know its a big hassle selling condensing units but where I live we had nogoodnics selling well over a hundred feet units before they were caught. Now houses & businesses have ugly fences around condensing units.
That was the way here for a while.
You guys need to find a different scrap yard they are ripping you off bad and being a-holes about it especially the amount you bring every month
There is another scrapyard with new owner but we are waiting until they get a little better organized until we give them a shot. Other than that we would have to travel a bit. Thanks for watching.
Not long ago I took in 4 , 5 gallon buckets full of wheel weights some guy sticks his magnet to the metal clips on 2 weights and says I quote this is mostly steel we can only give you scrap steel price for it. i laughed took my stuff to another yard and got 20Cents a pound for it. needless to say none of our scrap goes to that location anymore.
I have seen it over and over.
Dang I hate seeing that wire getting sold for so cheap, the last time I check it was about $500 for a 2500 ft roll of THHN 12 solid.
It's kinda like the metal you feed your plasma table is about $1 / pd that turns into 2-1/2 cents per pound scrap metal..
Its crazy
I think it is up to the seller to know what to separate
At this point we have a good grasp on how to process what we are bringing these guys. Still always something to learn all the time.
In Portland Oregon at Calbag will tell you. What is different. What the best price. Been going there over 50 yrs.
Honest?
Dam that much for copper in your area? We’re getting ripped in my area at like 75 cent for clean copper and bare
Ouch! Where are you located?
I highly recommend going to a different yard.
Bare bright should be around $3.10 - $3.40 LB
#2 Copper - $2.80 - $3.15 LB
#1 ICW - THHN $2.00 - $2.20 LB
#1 ICW - Romex $1.75 - $1.90 LB
May I ask where are you getting your pricing from sir????
@@removeitprosdemolition Iscrapapp provides national scrap pricing on a range of scrap materials. I'm a yard owner as well so I got a lot resources to determine pricing based on today's market
@@removeitprosdemolition Iscrapapp
Correct prices and my yard is always .25 less for #2 than #1
@@CHOCKO895 .20 difference over here
I work at a scrapyard in the metals room, and im looking at this video thinking about all the painted copper i put in the number 2 box
So what's the conclusion?
One time I took a copper brass radiator in to scrap for $25 gave them bank details and never ended up receiving anything
They regulate that stuff here, without the right paperwork it can't be taken in.
bluing is Copper ovide...it is the similar thing as rust on steel or iron or tarnish on brass.....you could remove with polishing compound
Yeah it would cost to much to do......
In Lexington Kentucky, where I live the copper with no insulation or soldier ,but has the weathering or blueish color on it is #1 copper dirty. The price should be more than #2 or #3.
I agree we are not happy.....waiting until this other yard gets running....
Isn’t that “blueing” called patina!?!
I guess it is....
Wow they are paying crap for sheet aluminum... its over 50 cents in NY right now. Heck...i just got paid over 40 cents for cast aluminum.. Thanks for the video...
Why do you think that is?
I would never take in that much at one time. I would have one of ir guys stand there and keep a eye on what goes on it because u should have made way more than that.
We did have our guy who runs all the crews watch "Them" at the computer and asking all the questions on why they were giving us the pricing they were so we can be better prepared for next time. Thank you for the comment.
Garden street scrap yard Fort Myers Florida is where they are taking this stuff.
It was garden street and we're not going there anymore.They will not let us film for some reason.
@@removeitprosdemolition Because they regularly rip people off paying well bellow fair market value for scrap.
They wamted you gone fast so you could not record them ripping off small time scrappers while you were the only ones there.
I only turn in certian metals when they are paying fair market value and someone else has gon in before me with a small load to test the waters and catch them and get everyone else a fair price by locking them in to there word at the start of the day.
If you’re in Tampa area, take it to Edge Metals. I’ve learned that TMR, CMC, and others will nickel and dime you and screw you over bad. Edge metals will take care of you well and when you bring in large amounts of material, they actually pay you more than the list price… I’ve gone there for years and they always take care of me really good!! I do have great rapport with the guys at the scales and tip them too. It goes a LONG way!!!!
Thanks Tampa is where we are going to have our third location opening Sarasota in August or September.
Every time I go to the scrap yard I get ripped off. Every single time. Doesn't matter if it's a big load or small load they screw me over Every single time. And that's at multiple yards
Do the best you can while processing your load so you give them no excuse to downgrade your load. They will use any excuse.
Way to get on their good side. Argue every time you're there, call her a dude, and then take all their carts hahaha. I'm just messing with you! I like the videos.
Yep...I am a slow learner.
Where I go they average if you have mixed loads unless it’s copper. Then they try to discount the whole load
Where are you?
I understand your frustration with recycling companies. Very hard to understand there rules.
Copper is way up Monday we are going to the scrap yard with a huge load. Just finished up those 4 large demos and got our scrap caught up....might be $3X,XXX
As someone who has worked in the scrap industry for the past 14 years here in TN and continues to do so.... I've never heard of copper tubing with paint going as #3 copper thats #2 all day. I've never heard of clean copper tubbing without any solder, paint, joints etc going as #2 copper thats #1. Idk what that yard is doing but it really looks like they are just scamming you. Even that aluminium you dropped off they could have done you better instead of down grading an entire load for just a few pieces
Yes. It's very frustrating when we take the time and effort processing for them to take the wind out of our sails. That's why when we go we try to keep and eye on what's going on and push back when we can. We will try a different scrapyard sometime in the future. Thanks for the comment.
When I buy scrap a if there is only a few dirty pieces I let it go call it clean and pull the few out that are dirty keeps customers happy and want to come back to do business I educate the customer so next time they separate better next time
Good customer service we put lots of effort in making it right.
I think, it would be relatively easy and inexpensive to build small machine, like wood chipper for turning insulated copper to 1B or ever 1A copper
We have a stripper we get so much volume its not cost effective to get it all prepared as good as we could.
I wonder, would burning the insulation off of the insulated copper help the price any?
They don't allow that