I have an old 1950s Model Breda. It doesn’t have any markings or model numbers on it. My uncle shot 3” magnums through it for 30 years. Neither he nor I have had any problems with it. I’ve owned Browning Auto 5s and Benellis over the years, and the Breda is my favorite. We’ve only hunted duck and turkey with it. I can’t say for 2 2/4 with it. But it’s my favorite of all.
I know this is an old video but I have led to it in my search for a resolve of this exact problem with my 930i ! I've cut the spring and also then replaced the standard spring with a reduced power spring and it still jams! I don't belive the spring is the problem as I can cycle 24g loads with no jams but it jams with some 28g loads, I believe the issues lay with the cartridge not being placed correctly quick enough so the front of the cartridge gets pushed into the side wall of the chamber! I still have no resolve!
randy, thanks a million, that was the question of the day, was breda worth the hype and worth the money, and per your testing, thats a very sad "nope". thanks for the incredible videos. 👍👍 m
No Sir, I have not. I have no plans to bother with one, as Breda USA is a very, very poor organization. I cannot say whether the 930 specifically is good or bad, as I have no experience with them. I can say that gas guns are more pleasant to shoot than any inertia guns, and for that reason no inertia gun is perfectly suited for high-volume clays duty.
Hi Randy. I appreciate very much the wealth of information you put on the web. Although it is obvious that this guns jams far too often, it is a fact that inertia guns jam a bit more often than gas semis with light loads. I see jams almost every time somebody shoots with a SBEII or with a Vinci at my clay club, but I see hardly any jam with gas autos like A400 and Maxxus. I also think the comparison with the B80 is a little useless since the B80 is not made anymore, and also because, as you know more than anybody, the B80 is not self regulating. It's the barrel that regulates the amount of gas that activates the mechanism, and obviously you used the right barrel. A comparison with the Versamax or SX-3 would have been more relevant. Finally I wonder if this gun also jams with heavy loads. If it is the case it would indicate the there's a problem with this specific gun that the quality control didn't detect. Jean
+Jean Bernier Well, it wasn't any direct comparison with the B-80 at all. The only reason a B-80 was used was not to compare basic function, but to rule out notions of "bad" ammo, and to compare the recoil-reduction claimed by Breda due to the heavy bolt of the Xanthos. The Xanthos is indeed compared to several 3 inch inertia guns, see: randywakeman.com/BredaXanthosDamascoTwelveGaugeAutoloaderPartTwo.htm . "Although Breda claims it will handle 1 oz. loads and up, it jammed repeatedly with 1 oz. 1200 fps Federal Top Gun loads: specifically, failure to feed. It then jammed repeatedly with B & P F2 Legend 1-1/8 oz. 1230 fps loads. To rule out the possibility of Jupiter misaligning itself with Mars, causing strange and unusual B & P behavior, I shot some of the same shells through a Browning B-80 which performed flawlessly. It was yet more jamming with the Breda Xanthos, and then I tried a third load: Federal Gold Medal 1-1/8 oz. 1145 fps loads. The Xanthos jammed repeatedly yet again. Over the years, I've tested countless inertia guns, including a pair of Girsan models, two Browning A-5 models, three Benelli Vinci's, Benelli Ultralights, Stoeger models, several Franchi Affinity models, Benelli Super Black Eagles, and so forth. Not one example has had any problem with the loads tested in the Breda. See www.randywakeman.com/InertiaAutoloadingShotgunShootOffBenelliBrowningGirsan.htm for just one article comparing three inertia guns: All three shotguns had no issues with factory Federal Top Gun 1 oz., 1180 fps loads."
With the A400 i had never ending stream of trouble even after wasting few boxes of heavy loads to losen up things. Failures to eject, failures to cycle, jaming live rounds into fired ones. I’m back to my SX1. (i’ve been eyeballing the breda but i’ll keep it under - made in italy: nice to look at. :D )
randy, this has been bothering me for hours now, breda claims to be one of the archtects of the inertia design, ive read they even source their internals from benelli, they have a stellar reputation, how could the gun have jammed so many times in front of the camera? is it possible there is some adjustment that needs to be made, or some minor part in the action that needs a few drops of oil, etc, how could so much work have gone into a gun that misfires so many times? is it possible that prior to your receiving the gun it was fired hundreds or thousands of times using really cheap ammo and then stored for a long time without being cleaned for an extended time? what do you think was the cause of so many screw ups? maybe the gun was repaired using non factory parts? the italians have gone through great pains to produce an heirloom shotgun, so what could possible have caused this?
No, it absolutely is not. When I test 3 inch inertia guns, they are tested with the same spectrum of loads: that's call fair, consistent testing. If you think lead turkey loads are appropriate for upland hunting guns, have fun. Of course I test turkey loads, slug loads, buckshot loads, etc., where that is the intended use, or at least a common use of the arm. Longbeard XR loads certainly get well-tested: randywakeman.com/WinchesterLongBeardXRTheBestLeadLoadsEverTested.htm - - - including the 3-1/2 inch Longbeards out of 3-1/2 inch guns. Waterfowl guns get typical waterfowl loads, th-cam.com/video/F2gzNVL6elw/w-d-xo.html , and so forth. If a shotgun is brutal to shoot with 1-1/4 oz. loads, it isn't rocket science to believe it is even more abusive with 1-3/4 oz. loads. They always are.
I have an old 1950s Model Breda. It doesn’t have any markings or model numbers on it. My uncle shot 3” magnums through it for 30 years. Neither he nor I have had any problems with it. I’ve owned Browning Auto 5s and Benellis over the years, and the Breda is my favorite. We’ve only hunted duck and turkey with it. I can’t say for 2 2/4 with it. But it’s my favorite of all.
I know this is an old video but I have led to it in my search for a resolve of this exact problem with my 930i ! I've cut the spring and also then replaced the standard spring with a reduced power spring and it still jams! I don't belive the spring is the problem as I can cycle 24g loads with no jams but it jams with some 28g loads, I believe the issues lay with the cartridge not being placed correctly quick enough so the front of the cartridge gets pushed into the side wall of the chamber! I still have no resolve!
I was going to purchase a breda shotgun .until I watched your video .Thanks 1500.00 dollars worth
Just a tip, place some foam over the mic for wind noise. Love your vids!
+Tim Lawson You must mean "more foam."
Lol, sounds like it. Ok, nevermind. Still love your vids, God bless.
randy, thanks a million, that was the question of the day, was breda worth the hype and worth the money, and per your testing, thats a very sad "nope".
thanks for the incredible videos. 👍👍 m
Hello, do you have try the breda 930i sporting? Thanks for all your video.
No Sir, I have not. I have no plans to bother with one, as Breda USA is a very, very poor organization. I cannot say whether the 930 specifically is good or bad, as I have no experience with them. I can say that gas guns are more pleasant to shoot than any inertia guns, and for that reason no inertia gun is perfectly suited for high-volume clays duty.
Hi Randy. I appreciate very much the wealth of information you put on the web. Although it is obvious that this guns jams far too often, it is a fact that inertia guns jam a bit more often than gas semis with light loads. I see jams almost every time somebody shoots with a SBEII or with a Vinci at my clay club, but I see hardly any jam with gas autos like A400 and Maxxus. I also think the comparison with the B80 is a little useless since the B80 is not made anymore, and also because, as you know more than anybody, the B80 is not self regulating. It's the barrel that regulates the amount of gas that activates the mechanism, and obviously you used the right barrel. A comparison with the Versamax or SX-3 would have been more relevant. Finally I wonder if this gun also jams with heavy loads. If it is the case it would indicate the there's a problem with this specific gun that the quality control didn't detect.
Jean
+Jean Bernier Well, it wasn't any direct comparison with the B-80 at all. The only reason a B-80 was used was not to compare basic function, but to rule out notions of "bad" ammo, and to compare the recoil-reduction claimed by Breda due to the heavy bolt of the Xanthos. The Xanthos is indeed compared to several 3 inch inertia guns, see: randywakeman.com/BredaXanthosDamascoTwelveGaugeAutoloaderPartTwo.htm .
"Although Breda claims it will handle 1 oz. loads and up, it jammed repeatedly with 1 oz. 1200 fps Federal Top
Gun loads: specifically, failure to feed. It then jammed repeatedly with B & P F2 Legend 1-1/8 oz. 1230 fps loads. To rule out the possibility of Jupiter misaligning itself with Mars, causing strange and
unusual B & P behavior, I shot some of the same shells through a Browning B-80 which performed flawlessly. It was yet more jamming with the Breda Xanthos, and then I tried a third load: Federal Gold Medal
1-1/8 oz. 1145 fps loads. The Xanthos jammed repeatedly yet again.
Over the years, I've tested countless inertia guns, including a pair of Girsan models, two Browning A-5
models, three Benelli Vinci's, Benelli Ultralights, Stoeger models, several Franchi Affinity models, Benelli Super Black Eagles, and so forth. Not one example has had any problem with the loads tested in the
Breda. See www.randywakeman.com/InertiaAutoloadingShotgunShootOffBenelliBrowningGirsan.htm for just one article comparing three inertia guns: All three shotguns had no issues with factory Federal Top Gun 1 oz., 1180 fps loads."
This inexpensive inertia gun has zero problems with the very same loads: th-cam.com/video/hCnjWwyCAJA/w-d-xo.html
With the A400 i had never ending stream of trouble even after wasting few boxes of heavy loads to losen up things. Failures to eject, failures to cycle, jaming live rounds into fired ones. I’m back to my SX1. (i’ve been eyeballing the breda but i’ll keep it under - made in italy: nice to look at. :D )
randy, this has been bothering me for hours now, breda claims to be one of the archtects of the inertia design, ive read they even source their internals from benelli, they have a stellar reputation, how could the gun have jammed so many times in front of the camera? is it possible there is some adjustment that needs to be made, or some minor part in the action that needs a few drops of oil, etc, how could so much work have gone into a gun that misfires so many times? is it possible that prior to your receiving the gun it was fired hundreds or thousands of times using really cheap ammo and then stored for a long time without being cleaned for an extended time? what do you think was the cause of so many screw ups? maybe the gun was repaired using non factory parts? the italians have gone through great pains to produce an heirloom shotgun, so what could possible have caused this?
+Mike Miller My job is to give honest, accurate information to my readers . . . not to invent imaginary excuses for manufacturers.
No, it absolutely is not. When I test 3 inch inertia guns, they are tested with the same spectrum of loads: that's call fair, consistent testing. If you think lead turkey loads are appropriate for upland hunting guns, have fun. Of course I test turkey loads, slug loads, buckshot loads, etc., where that is the intended use, or at least a common use of the arm. Longbeard XR loads certainly get well-tested: randywakeman.com/WinchesterLongBeardXRTheBestLeadLoadsEverTested.htm - - - including the 3-1/2 inch Longbeards out of 3-1/2 inch guns. Waterfowl guns get typical waterfowl loads, th-cam.com/video/F2gzNVL6elw/w-d-xo.html , and so forth. If a shotgun is brutal to shoot with 1-1/4 oz. loads, it isn't rocket science to believe it is even more abusive with 1-3/4 oz. loads. They always are.
thanks for being spot on randy, im just a dreamer, please forgive.
That pathetic show pony just sort of burps the spent shells out. I saved a ton of money and picked up a V3. It sends the spent shells flying.
Randy Wakeman mi dici il rinculo di questo fucile come è se è controllabile, grazie.
+alfredone There is not much of a recoil pad and it is an inertia action, so the recoil is harsh.
OK GRAZIE !
Thanks for your reply.
Pessimo fucile..
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