@@OneTequilaTwoTequila Clearly, you've never been around someone who is panicking. Clearly she's shaken, trying to figure out what happened, and why she's not able to get the wings level, but she never loses her head.
This pilot went on to get her ATP in 2023 and is currently type certified on the Embraer 145. Last medical 6/2024. She got back on the horse and kept going after this scary incident, hopefully much wiser from it.
I feel like she crushed it here. I'd let her fly me. Some people just tunnel out and get behind the airplane, she was audibly unsettled, but she put the plane down in the correct place and with the correct side up. Can't argue with that.
@@salsanacho She will also be a real stickler for staying on glide path and on course on an ILS. And at DH she will be sure to call for a go-around if the runway environment is not in sight. Like right away ... no "one potato, two potato, OK go around". Or at least I hope so
The Controller did a brilliant job. Encouraging the pilot , providing salient information along with gentle reminders, but being careful not to overwhelm her with radio chatter, and I'm sure she learnt from the experience and went on to be a better and more confident pilot because of it. We all learn from our mistakes, and as a retired commercial pilot I can honestly say I certainly did.
That was, by far, the most professional and helpful ATC! Wow! I hope that if I'm ever in an emergency situation, that someone like this controller is on frequency!
Well, that was an instructive flight! Don't let the term 'instrument rating' delude you. Earning the rating merely means that the FAA has given you permission to try to become a competent IFR pilot, it doesn't mean you are one.
Especially young women. As a female who was denied the right to fly either in the military and most definitely not as a commercial pilot, crushing my future career plans at 16, plans I’d had since I was 9.. it warms my heart knowing that this is no longer the case, but I think that young women are being promoted above their actual proficiency with unfortunate results. Running your airplane’s wing into trees on an IFR approach is possibly not recommended, but keeping it up in the air afterwards, and landing on the runway after the fact is pretty impressive.
I didn't witness any "panic". She calmed herself down nicely, maintained clear and professional communication and navigated her crippled aircraft in for a safe landing.
@@V1AbortV2Well stand down the NTSB you’ve clearly determined this was pilot error and the solution is to stop the pilot flying 🙄 Clearly you have never heard of of just culture in aviation ops. Maybe you are still living in the 1980’s! All pilots make errors, the worlds worst aviation disaster was caused by one of the worlds best pilots. IF she made a mistake then she appeared to deal with the aftermath well - nobody died.
@@johndonovan7018there is a difference between stress and panic. She did not panic. Airplane was attempting to turn add probably drop altitude. She would have had to stick to one side trying to level off while correcting the turn with the butter while maintaining her speed with the throttle. And communicating with the tower. And trying to figure out what was wrong with the plane. She did an outstanding job and so did the ATC
This kind of reminds me of an incident years ago when a guy in a Piper Malibu was shooting the ILS 7 in low ceiling circle to land 14 in Sanford, ME. After he broke off the approach for 7, he flew the airplane into the trees while circling to 14 and somehow, he plowed thru the trees and flew the airplane 20 miles to Portland with the right wing bent back almost a full 12 inches at the root, a damaged right horizontal stabilizer and landing gear and a damaged prop. He landed on runway 11 and the airplane veered off the runway and into the grass but all things considered, he saved his ass. When we towed the airplane off the runway into into the hangar, i was in awe of how he was able to keep that airplane in the air as long as he did. This gal did a great job saving her ass even though it sounds like she messed up the approach. You panic, you crash and burn.
@@Flight_Follower ATC almost always does a great job. It's much easier to be calm when your seat is stationary in a concrete and steel tower. But there was that one time ATC at KLAS tried to send a B-25 with an engine out to another airport, for his convenience, and then made him sidestep to a different runway on approach. So even ATC can have a bad day.
Take a look at 41.4010138,-70.6031782 in "Ground View". If you break out of the IFR just at minimums (and especially if they turned the lights off when they closed the airport for the night) you see a nice "runway" directly under you... ...which is actually a utility right-of-way leading to a narrow service road. It looks like she almost made a perfect landing there - except for the trees at Barnes Road.
Looking a ForeFlight 3D she must have been way off the lateral and too low w/o having visual on RWY lights. Yea it is a crappy mistake and poor judgment to have done that, but keeping a mostly clear head got her to a safe landing. A very, very lucky pilot and passenger. Wonder if this was a training mission?? Was a tree conformed, sure was something . . .Well . . . . off to the NTSB report. GPS glidepath brings the plane smoothly at 50 ft over the threshold, not sure of the ILS at this moment, I use RNAV/GPS. More to this than just lateral, but the "keep flying the airplane" was followed well.
It reminds me of an old comedy routine where the comedian was being asked by a cop about hitting a tree. And he said he had to swerve three or four times before he could finally hit it.
Pretty gutsy heading out over the Atlantic with a damaged aircraft. Would I have landed at the closed airfield, or headed out over the ocean? RVR of 2600, was Martha's Vineyard socked in? But she got away with it. She said "we have 16 gallons left". Remember kids, if you have an emergency you can land at any airport, even Groom Lake if that's the place you can reach. You just need to call MAYDAY and tell them what you have to do.
@@Flight_Follower It was a weather thing. ATC was trying to get her to VFR conditions. Yes it meant a trip over the water, but it wasn't that much farther to a much longer runway with all the equipment in the world standing by. Downwind landing, but still, 8000 ft was plenty for that airframe.
She was IFR at Martha's, and reported instrument issues trying to follow the localizer, even before the wing hit. Getting over to a VFR airport was the right call. Trying to circle back and do IFR again with a closed tower would be risky.
She declared an emergency immediately. Getting her to VMC was the right call. Vineyard was a half mile viz! I'd like to know how many of you are actually pilots with these dumb comments.
MVY and ACK are frequently in a fog bank while airports on the mainland are VFR. That was the right call, particularly since the aircraft was damaged and she didn't know what she hit, an object that could still have been on the runway. Only later was it discovered that she'd hit a tree. Frankly I'm surprised that FMH was VFR. FMH is only 16nm from MVY and radar contact indicated 3 NE of MVY, so her distance from FMH was only 13nm.
As an airport inspector, you'd be surprised at the amount of smaller airports that fail to cut down trees that infringe the OLS (obstacle limitation surface) after I do a survey. I often come back the following year and the trees are still there, just taller. I work for the airport, I'm not the regulator, so I can't force them to.
This is a recording from the tower not from her airplane. Does why her audio sounds scratchy and the towers audio sounds perfect. It is 2024 and for some reason aviation uses ancient what way am radios instead of two-way FM band s
I lived on Otis ANGB with my family back when my dad was stationed there. Good job on the pilot staying in control and keeping her cool. And excellent job from the controller helping her get on the ground safely.
This is the approach that every Cirrus driver dreams of! As Cirrus covers in their proficiency training, "Pull early, pull often!" Kidding aside, I usually fly the approach to unfamiliar airports in Microsoft Flight Simulator or X-Plane, and print and annotate approach plates (even though I have them in Fore Flight). In my own experience, "chasing the needle" is a sign of mental fatigue. If I've done my prep, I have plenty of bandwidth in flight. Also, if the ceiling is too low for RNAV approach (ATC told her to intercept the localizer), it is unnecessarily risky to make the approach in a single pilot / single engine aircraft. Trees aren't the only sneaky buggers hiding below glideslope.
Easy to find fault, IMC at night, broke minimums, but I doubt many of us could survive an audit of all our flying. Sometimes "good is good, but luck is better."
@@Ben-kt5rc I'm an airport inspector and you'd be surprised at the amount of smaller airports that don't bother trimming trees that infringe the OLS after I do my survey. I often come back the following year and they're still there!
Zipping around in LIFR at night with 2400 RVR in a single🤨. If she hadn’t executed a missed approach most likely she would have made a guest appearance on the Dan Gryder’s YT channel. Lucky gal, hats off to the controller. Amazing job.
Hmm. In July 2019 when this happened, there were two mall shootings, a ruptured gas line explosion in another mall, a deadly outbreak in retirement homes, a deadly shooting spree in LA, a deadly shooting spree at a festival, and a massive power outage in NY. Too bad God couldn't be there because he was helping a lady fly a plane.
4:10 "unintelligible" sounded like: "We have [about] 15 gallons left". 5:48 "nintelligible" sounded like: "we are turning the lights up to intensity 5"
She was lucky as the impact damage suggests she didnt just clip the top of the tree - must have caused a large yaw to port as well as pitching down. Scary that close to the ground but the only way she could have recovered it was by aviating first and everything else second (notice she didnt communicate with the tower until much later when she had stablised it).
Them trees have a bad tendency to sneak up on you and trying to swat you out of the sky at night. Good job getting that damaged bird on the ground safely
@@Crosbie85 ILS approach, she deflected twice, likely crosswind gusts, may have been a little slow on approach. Read the approach plate for Martha’s Vineyard, what should have been fairly routine turned out not to be. A lot of good lessons here..
When was in the Air National Guard one of our F-100's got too low and hit the top of a tree. When it landed it still had part of the tree imbedded in the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. It just wasn't damaged enough to quit flying. However, it wasn't repaired and it never flew again.
A few years ago I hit goose at dusk with my right wing on final approach into Provo airport. It sounded like a car crash, and the amount of damage shocked me. (I know it was a goose because its head and neck were wedged into the destroyed faring gap between my wingtip fuel nacelle and the adjacent wing leading edge). It shook me to see the damage a bird could do. I actually feel very lucky it struck that faring area, and not entirely on the leading edge portion of the wing.
Early 80’s taking off from Midway Island as we were rolling a group of goony birds decided to takeoff in front of our Navy P-3B. We slammed into them FODing our port engines. We had one of them penetrate the leading edge, bleed air lines and wiring. My position is a window just forward of the prop plane and it sounded like someone beating the aircraft all around my window. Goony bird hamburger splattered all over the fuselage. Took us a week to fix the aircraft so we could get back to Hawaii. Thank Goodness we still had per diem money left and lots of rum.
Full deflection could be a few things. Obstruction of the ILS beam by something at the airfield be it plane, deer or person. She could of flown past the runway ILS she tuned to. Not sure if she was past her discission height or glide slope to be hitting trees because the ILS could of been obstructed making bad readings.
Everyone did a great job.. but I did have a laugh comparing this to the Orange County Choppers meme of Mike and Paul yelling at each other. Pilot: Might have hit something, can’t maintain level flight! Controller: Can you maintain altitude and level flight? When able, say what the issue with the aircraft is. Pilot: Unable to keep wings level. We hit something on approach Controller: Just keep wings level! Climb 3000 Pilot: Climbing slowly at 80kts, can’t keep wings level. Controller: Keep wings level!!
Not sure why the airplane wouldnt climb with the damage shown in the Photo, unless she forgot to raise the flaps...which is probably what happened in all the confusion
Daniel Webster, a big flight school not far from there, hires most of its flight instructors right out of its own program. A recent hire there (like 220 hours) could have flown that approach in those conditions partial panel without breaking a sweat. In Europe the vast majority of pilots skip the flight instructor phase of their careers. At 600 hours they're in the right seat of something about 20 times bigger than a Skyhawk.
When was in the Air National Guard one of our F-100's got too low and hit the top of a tree. When it landed it still had part of the tree imbedded in the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. It just wasn't damaged enough to quit flying. However, it wasn't repaired and it never flew again.
Maybe she broke out and saw the runway environment, and just flew at it from too far out, going below the glidepath because she was visual. It might be severe clear under an overcast, but at night you can't see the trees you're flying over. Someone in the thread said she reported having trouble getting established on the localizer; maybe she lost altitude doing that and when she got back over, figured she could fly into the glideslope that she was already below. If there was a radar track all the way down, maybe someone can figure out where she went wrong. I've flown that approach (at night) in a PA28, but it was decades ago, but I don't remember anything interesting about it. We didn't have any computers or GPS back then, just steam gauges and paper charts.
Sum ting wong. But admires for quickly regaining composure and getting her plane on the ground successfully. Impressive aviating. The photo thought a bird strike - big one weird - kinda amazed that dent didn't tear off on impact. Aside ... Seems lots of foreign accents flying GA nowadays. And female too.
@@Flight_Follower Just curious. Normally the Towers turns lights off(?) until they're activated by CTAF. Since the arriving plane didn't talk to the Tower (it was closed by then) I'm wondering if the pilot turned them on to distinguish the runway from street lights.
@@Flight_Follower The aviator navigator and flew the plane that's what matters.. aviat.. navigate..comunicate. in that order. If ya don't aviat.There Is No comunicate no more.
There’s literally a a map on the screen the entire time and they talk about Martha’s Vineyard and Hyannis and show Cape Cod Coast Guard Air Station. Any subtle hints there for you?
These are the ones "instructing" the next generation of pilots. She crashed her airplane into a tree, people. Blind leading the blind. Coming to an airline near you!
@@UnrealNarcissist She learned something in that moment. When I first got my ticket, I always remember the examiner wouldn't let go of it until I repeated his mantra "this is really a license to learn"
She was having difficulty maintaining straight and level flight so that’s not a good time to try maneuvering. She just flew straight while getting to understand how the plane was handling.
@@AeroRamershe was having difficulty maintaining stable level flight. And you suggest she turn? She had the best idea, she's able to climb and maintain heading, keep heading forward. Its difficlt, but less than pulling a 180 at 3k altitude, with a damaged wing. She might just spin out or flat out nosedive and crash. She declared emergency, so she'll have priority when she arrives.
They actually confirmed whether the engine was running fine or not.. i thought it made sense.. i would have preferred to land in vineyard.. just saying
@@HammondGaming Seems like reasonable reasons knowing the weather conditions at that time was IMC, overcast 200' at night and reported VFR at the alternate airport, although I don't know if the pilot knew that. Otherwise, speaking only for me, I would have probably considered something differently and not fly longer.
A rare case where despite a complete lack of PIC exercising any command authority or communicating any decision regarding how she was going to handle the emergency, the controller somehow managed to handle it for her. From the ground. What a champ.
Having been asked if there were more people aboard, she was offering to more formally complete the standard emergency questionnaire. She was probably thinking, "Oh, right I need to say souls and fuel. isn't that what one does when HOLY SHIT I AM FLYING A BROKEN AIPLANE let's see it's 15 gallons." I couldn't entirely make out what she said. But it wasn't 50 since there's not that much in a plane like that.
Simp. You’d fly with someone who negligently manifested an emergency? Especially a CFIT one? With no hesitation? You’ve said all I need to see to know I’d NEVER fly with you. Keep on simping!
@@Flight_FollowerDid you delete my response to this poster? I don’t see it on here anymore. And I agree with you, she handled the emergency…that SHE induced. She hit a TREE! On an ILS! And didn’t know what she hit! That tells me she went WAYYYYYY below DH, still couldn’t see, hit the tree, STILL didn’t have visual on the runway(or she should’ve landed), and the put herself back into possible IMC. She did GREAT mitigating it. But it never should’ve happened. I’d appreciate you putting my first reply back on this thread. I didn’t violate any TH-cam rules with it.
I can assure you..I didn’t delete any comment..and i agree with everything you said there…you summarized the situation nicely..she either went below the glide slope or the DH…no excuse TBH
She's nearing her decision height, and she had a full-scale deflection to the right, so she corrected to the left. OMFG!! She should not have a commercial license with an instrument rating. If you get full-scale deflection at that height, you go around. She had no idea how far right of track she was. Her poor decision-making caused her to have an accident. And, yes, it WAS an accident, as substantial damage was done to the aircraft. Her saying that she couldn't level the wings tells me that she doesn't understand aerodynamics at all. She couldn't have continued to a landing if she couldn't level her wings. More than likely, not knowing how to compensate for the extra drag on the wing that hit the tree, caused her to fly crooked with the ball way off to the side. She wasn't using her rudders. She probably never used them before, either. I see that a lot with new pilots (especially the Chinese ones).
Hits a tree somewhere on final---- the airport lighting is pilot controlled after tower closes. did she bother to turn the IMC lights on? Hits a tree, damages aircraft, elects to fly over 8-10 miles of water with an aircraft with unknown structural damage. Decision making is alarming. Lot of young pilots moving into left seat with questionable aeronautical skills and decision making as evidenced by a lot of weird stuff going on of late in the skies.
I love all the “kumbaya” comments. Hilarious. Someone said she moved on to get an ATP and is flying Embraer 145s. While you’re all simping and virtue signaling, if this is true, how would you feel if she was shooting an ILS on the plane YOU’RE on??? No one has the pills to call it like it is. How do you think her airline interview would’ve gone if she were a White male? I’ll tell you, he’d still be fueling Cessnas at his local FBO. Anyone here who knows the truth knows I’m not exaggerating.
@@jiyushugi1085 Not a close call like this, though. This is bad. But when you're right, you're right, I'm sure she learned how serious you need to take IFR procedures and regs after that.
I would never fly with you. Not even as a passenger. I would not like to be in the same airspace as you. I don't think I'd like to even if you were on the ground. Because if there is one thing more dangerous than a tree, it's a bigot. People learn when they make mistakes. This kind of lesson is one that you never forget. A wake up call. One day you'll get yours.
That was a fine example of a pilot not panicking, an a controller doing a fabulous job.
That was really good to hear.
Sounded pretty panicked to me.
@@OneTequilaTwoTequila Clearly, you've never been around someone who is panicking.
Clearly she's shaken, trying to figure out what happened, and why she's not able to get the wings level, but she never loses her head.
This pilot went on to get her ATP in 2023 and is currently type certified on the Embraer 145. Last medical 6/2024. She got back on the horse and kept going after this scary incident, hopefully much wiser from it.
Thanks for the info!
I feel like she crushed it here. I'd let her fly me. Some people just tunnel out and get behind the airplane, she was audibly unsettled, but she put the plane down in the correct place and with the correct side up. Can't argue with that.
She got out of the hole nicely which She dug for herself
That's good to hear, can teach her students what she learned dealing with an emergency.
@@salsanacho She will also be a real stickler for staying on glide path and on course on an ILS. And at DH she will be sure to call for a go-around if the runway environment is not in sight. Like right away ... no "one potato, two potato, OK go around". Or at least I hope so
The Controller did a brilliant job. Encouraging the pilot , providing salient information along with gentle reminders, but being careful not to overwhelm her with radio chatter, and I'm sure she learnt from the experience and went on to be a better and more confident pilot because of it. We all learn from our mistakes, and as a retired commercial pilot I can honestly say I certainly did.
All ATC should listen to this. Kudos and, as a former pilot and controller, thank you 🙏
Thanks for listening
That was, by far, the most professional and helpful ATC! Wow! I hope that if I'm ever in an emergency situation, that someone like this controller is on frequency!
The controller did an amazing job!
I thought so too
Agreed.
Agreed
Some of us controllers born in the 70’s and early 80’s are still on the scopes at times and actually have some experience
Great job of the controller and pilot kept her wits. Outstanding communication.
I thought so too
Well, that was an instructive flight!
Don't let the term 'instrument rating' delude you. Earning the rating merely means that the FAA has given you permission to try to become a competent IFR pilot, it doesn't mean you are one.
Especially young women. As a female who was denied the right to fly either in the military and most definitely not as a commercial pilot, crushing my future career plans at 16, plans I’d had since I was 9.. it warms my heart knowing that this is no longer the case, but I think that young women are being promoted above their actual proficiency with unfortunate results. Running your airplane’s wing into trees on an IFR approach is possibly not recommended, but keeping it up in the air afterwards, and landing on the runway after the fact is pretty impressive.
I didn't witness any "panic". She calmed herself down nicely, maintained clear and professional communication and navigated her crippled aircraft in for a safe landing.
the panic is until you figure out if the plane will fly or if you are crashing down. once she figured she can fly it, it was ok. normal
...the "crippled aircraft" that SHE caused. She has NO BUSINESS in the cockpit, whatsoever.
Lotta panic and resignation. She improved as she went on and realized she may not be dying today
@@V1AbortV2Well stand down the NTSB you’ve clearly determined this was pilot error and the solution is to stop the pilot flying 🙄 Clearly you have never heard of of just culture in aviation ops. Maybe you are still living in the 1980’s!
All pilots make errors, the worlds worst aviation disaster was caused by one of the worlds best pilots.
IF she made a mistake then she appeared to deal with the aftermath well - nobody died.
@@johndonovan7018there is a difference between stress and panic. She did not panic. Airplane was attempting to turn add probably drop altitude. She would have had to stick to one side trying to level off while correcting the turn with the butter while maintaining her speed with the throttle. And communicating with the tower. And trying to figure out what was wrong with the plane. She did an outstanding job and so did the ATC
This kind of reminds me of an incident years ago when a guy in a Piper Malibu was shooting the ILS 7 in low ceiling circle to land 14 in Sanford, ME. After he broke off the approach for 7, he flew the airplane into the trees while circling to 14 and somehow, he plowed thru the trees and flew the airplane 20 miles to Portland with the right wing bent back almost a full 12 inches at the root, a damaged right horizontal stabilizer and landing gear and a damaged prop. He landed on runway 11 and the airplane veered off the runway and into the grass but all things considered, he saved his ass. When we towed the airplane off the runway into into the hangar, i was in awe of how he was able to keep that airplane in the air as long as he did. This gal did a great job saving her ass even though it sounds like she messed up the approach. You panic, you crash and burn.
Thanks for sharing the story.. so should a pilot get credit for somehow landing the plane safely after a self induced emergency?
@@Flight_Follower In golf terms, both are shooting par. You shoot into the trees and with a hooded 3-iron, you get out of the trees and on the green.
What an excellent analogy! 😂👏
Say what you will, she brought it down in one piece.
Good job by the atc as well
@@Flight_Follower ATC almost always does a great job. It's much easier to be calm when your seat is stationary in a concrete and steel tower. But there was that one time ATC at KLAS tried to send a B-25 with an engine out to another airport, for his convenience, and then made him sidestep to a different runway on approach. So even ATC can have a bad day.
@@cageordieyes and very recently same thing at LAX, they tried to send a small single engine that was on fire to Hawthorne
We did cover that in our channel actually
...SHE caused the incident in the first place! This was PREVENTABLE. Females have absolutely NO BUSINESS in the cockpit!
Take a look at 41.4010138,-70.6031782 in "Ground View". If you break out of the IFR just at minimums (and especially if they turned the lights off when they closed the airport for the night) you see a nice "runway" directly under you... ...which is actually a utility right-of-way leading to a narrow service road. It looks like she almost made a perfect landing there - except for the trees at Barnes Road.
Great analysis,sir
Thank you
Looking a ForeFlight 3D she must have been way off the lateral and too low w/o having visual on RWY lights. Yea it is a crappy mistake and poor judgment to have done that, but keeping a mostly clear head got her to a safe landing. A very, very lucky pilot and passenger. Wonder if this was a training mission?? Was a tree conformed, sure was something . . .Well . . . . off to the NTSB report.
GPS glidepath brings the plane smoothly at 50 ft over the threshold, not sure of the ILS at this moment, I use RNAV/GPS. More to this than just lateral, but the "keep flying the airplane" was followed well.
All turned out well as can be. Pilot did a good job. ATC, did an awsome proffesional job too. Pretty good dent in leading edge, wont do that again.
It reminds me of an old comedy routine where the comedian was being asked by a cop about hitting a tree. And he said he had to swerve three or four times before he could finally hit it.
Pretty gutsy heading out over the Atlantic with a damaged aircraft. Would I have landed at the closed airfield, or headed out over the ocean? RVR of 2600, was Martha's Vineyard socked in? But she got away with it. She said "we have 16 gallons left". Remember kids, if you have an emergency you can land at any airport, even Groom Lake if that's the place you can reach. You just need to call MAYDAY and tell them what you have to do.
I personally would have preferred vineyard as well so couldn’t agree more
@@Flight_Follower It was a weather thing. ATC was trying to get her to VFR conditions. Yes it meant a trip over the water, but it wasn't that much farther to a much longer runway with all the equipment in the world standing by. Downwind landing, but still, 8000 ft was plenty for that airframe.
She was IFR at Martha's, and reported instrument issues trying to follow the localizer, even before the wing hit. Getting over to a VFR airport was the right call. Trying to circle back and do IFR again with a closed tower would be risky.
She declared an emergency immediately. Getting her to VMC was the right call. Vineyard was a half mile viz! I'd like to know how many of you are actually pilots with these dumb comments.
MVY and ACK are frequently in a fog bank while airports on the mainland are VFR. That was the right call, particularly since the aircraft was damaged and she didn't know what she hit, an object that could still have been on the runway. Only later was it discovered that she'd hit a tree. Frankly I'm surprised that FMH was VFR. FMH is only 16nm from MVY and radar contact indicated 3 NE of MVY, so her distance from FMH was only 13nm.
They need to keep them trees fenced in... don't want them wandering out over into the approach space. Otherwise, she recovered nicely.
Exactly
It's those damn Mexican Jumping Trees.😡
Lol.
They usually do keep them fenced in. Somebody must have left the approach gate open and those buggers wandered out 🤣
As an airport inspector, you'd be surprised at the amount of smaller airports that fail to cut down trees that infringe the OLS (obstacle limitation surface) after I do a survey.
I often come back the following year and the trees are still there, just taller. I work for the airport, I'm not the regulator, so I can't force them to.
both the pilot and controller handled this really well. tip of the cap to both.
“They will turn the lights up to intensity 5” is ‘unintelligible’??
Wow.. you must be a fun person to hang around with
…to a software package…
This is a recording from the tower not from her airplane. Does why her audio sounds scratchy and the towers audio sounds perfect. It is 2024 and for some reason aviation uses ancient what way am radios instead of two-way FM band s
@@charlesreid9337 FM is line of sight, airplanes aren't always in line of sight.
Sounded for a moment like the ATC was just asking the same questions to keep them from panicking until they hit the bay.
I lived on Otis ANGB with my family back when my dad was stationed there. Good job on the pilot staying in control and keeping her cool. And excellent job from the controller helping her get on the ground safely.
What a thoroughly professional controller!
She owes the air traffic controller a beer or two or three! That guy was a calming voice. Great job by him! 👌
This is the approach that every Cirrus driver dreams of! As Cirrus covers in their proficiency training, "Pull early, pull often!"
Kidding aside, I usually fly the approach to unfamiliar airports in Microsoft Flight Simulator or X-Plane, and print and annotate approach plates (even though I have them in Fore Flight). In my own experience, "chasing the needle" is a sign of mental fatigue. If I've done my prep, I have plenty of bandwidth in flight. Also, if the ceiling is too low for RNAV approach (ATC told her to intercept the localizer), it is unnecessarily risky to make the approach in a single pilot / single engine aircraft. Trees aren't the only sneaky buggers hiding below glideslope.
"The engine is fine and we have 15 gallons left, 7DM"
@0:07 corrected: "7DM, the Vinyard tower closes here in about ten minutes. It doesn't look like you're gonna be on the ground before then..."
Those 172's are tough little trainers.
Controller did a great job! These guys are rockstars!
Easy to find fault, IMC at night, broke minimums, but I doubt many of us could survive an audit of all our flying. Sometimes "good is good, but luck is better."
Agreed
With the obstacle free area required for a precision approach, to hit a tree is a bit more than breaking minimums!
@@Ben-kt5rc I'm an airport inspector and you'd be surprised at the amount of smaller airports that don't bother trimming trees that infringe the OLS after I do my survey. I often come back the following year and they're still there!
@@adamwest1138 that's a bit scary!
She made the right call when told by ATC to do something and replied...unable.
Zipping around in LIFR at night with 2400 RVR in a single🤨. If she hadn’t executed a missed approach most likely she would have made a guest appearance on the Dan Gryder’s YT channel. Lucky gal, hats off to the controller. Amazing job.
Yup Ol Dip $hit Dan the ambulance chaser
@@JordanColeman-r8w He surely has a far better life than you do. You probably couldn't even fly a paper plane, but seem to know everything. Nice.
Kudos to the pilot for keeping it together and BRAVO to ATC!
GOD WAS WITH YOU!
Hmm. In July 2019 when this happened, there were two mall shootings, a ruptured gas line explosion in another mall, a deadly outbreak in retirement homes, a deadly shooting spree in LA, a deadly shooting spree at a festival, and a massive power outage in NY. Too bad God couldn't be there because he was helping a lady fly a plane.
Fresh POV…nice
Sometimes, accidents turn out OK. They gave her what was needed.
5:50 _"they're turning the lights up to intensity 5 so the lights are on bright"_ [words to that effect]
*TCUP:* _Think Clearly Under Pressure_ ... she did great!
Not many pilots hit a tree and live to fly about it...
4:10 "unintelligible" sounded like: "We have [about] 15 gallons left".
5:48 "nintelligible" sounded like: "we are turning the lights up to intensity 5"
She was lucky as the impact damage suggests she didnt just clip the top of the tree - must have caused a large yaw to port as well as pitching down. Scary that close to the ground but the only way she could have recovered it was by aviating first and everything else second (notice she didnt communicate with the tower until much later when she had stablised it).
The majority of the "unintelligible" parts are crystal clear even on 2x speed. 🤣
I hope the arrestor cables weren't out! They can shear off your landing gear. Glad she was able to keep going.
and thats why you go around before you get a full deflection
Yet another great video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That controller is a pilot, and probably an instructor. He sure seemed like one.
Them trees have a bad tendency to sneak up on you and trying to swat you out of the sky at night. Good job getting that damaged bird on the ground safely
Sometimes they leap out in front of drunk drivers and attack their vehicles.
Hahaha 😂
ILS: I Landed Short😂
Wow, hit a tree!!! This lady had someone looking out for her.
Gotta watch for em trees…
Kinda hard at night, in IMC with fog.
Yupp
@@kmrtnsn I wouldn’t fly at an airport with trees close to the runway if it were those conditions out
@@Crosbie85 ILS approach, she deflected twice, likely crosswind gusts, may have been a little slow on approach. Read the approach plate for Martha’s Vineyard, what should have been fairly routine turned out not to be. A lot of good lessons here..
@@kmrtnsn like I said if I had a choice I would have never flown into Martha’s Vineyard
I agree, she calmed herself nicely. However, the tower calmed her and kept her that way.
Yes ma’am
How do you hit a tree and keep flying?
I am sure she didn’t fly straight into the trees.. only clipped the wings
small tree. Only clipped the top
When was in the Air National Guard one of our F-100's got too low and hit the top of a tree. When it landed it still had part of the tree imbedded in the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. It just wasn't damaged enough to quit flying. However, it wasn't repaired and it never flew again.
SHEER LUCK
"How do you hit a tree and keep flying?" Well, those trees don't appreciate it, so your best bet is to immediately leave.
A few years ago I hit goose at dusk with my right wing on final approach into Provo airport. It sounded like a car crash, and the amount of damage shocked me. (I know it was a goose because its head and neck were wedged into the destroyed faring gap between my wingtip fuel nacelle and the adjacent wing leading edge). It shook me to see the damage a bird could do. I actually feel very lucky it struck that faring area, and not entirely on the leading edge portion of the wing.
Early 80’s taking off from Midway Island as we were rolling a group of goony birds decided to takeoff in front of our Navy P-3B. We slammed into them FODing our port engines. We had one of them penetrate the leading edge, bleed air lines and wiring. My position is a window just forward of the prop plane and it sounded like someone beating the aircraft all around my window. Goony bird hamburger splattered all over the fuselage. Took us a week to fix the aircraft so we could get back to Hawaii. Thank Goodness we still had per diem money left and lots of rum.
Full deflection could be a few things. Obstruction of the ILS beam by something at the airfield be it plane, deer or person. She could of flown past the runway ILS she tuned to. Not sure if she was past her discission height or glide slope to be hitting trees because the ILS could of been obstructed making bad readings.
ATC seemed to have calmed her down a bit. Only a broken wing. Can be fixed. After the incident everyone seems to have done a great job.
The High and the Mighty... Very lucky.
Very lucky indeed
Why does the controller ask questions if he does not intend to listen to the answers?
Excellent job by both of them!!
Got it down in one piece so yeah
Everyone did a great job.. but I did have a laugh comparing this to the Orange County Choppers meme of Mike and Paul yelling at each other.
Pilot: Might have hit something, can’t maintain level flight!
Controller: Can you maintain altitude and level flight? When able, say what the issue with the aircraft is.
Pilot: Unable to keep wings level. We hit something on approach
Controller: Just keep wings level! Climb 3000
Pilot: Climbing slowly at 80kts, can’t keep wings level.
Controller: Keep wings level!!
Not sure why the airplane wouldnt climb with the damage shown in the Photo, unless she forgot to raise the flaps...which is probably what happened in all the confusion
The second unintelligible was we have 60 gallons on left
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Very good controller here .
Great job both controller and pilot.
We agree!
I don’t know why but I thought this was recent. This happened on July 10, 2019.
9:37... she collided with a tree?
Night approach in IMC and ceiling down to minimums with only 600 hours is stupid. And she's a flight instructor?
Well… yeahhj
Daniel Webster, a big flight school not far from there, hires most of its flight instructors right out of its own program. A recent hire there (like 220 hours) could have flown that approach in those conditions partial panel without breaking a sweat. In Europe the vast majority of pilots skip the flight instructor phase of their careers. At 600 hours they're in the right seat of something about 20 times bigger than a Skyhawk.
Fabulous controller!
Indeeed
Controller is the man ! Pilot is the gal ! Of the day - Good job. What the heck did they hit at
3000 ft. ? Damn , wing needs some metal work huh ?
They obviously hit the trees at a much lower altitude.. possibly after crossing the Decision altitude
What did she hit question mark
TREES
A tree?.. Damn.
Amazing after hitting a tree, the aircraft was still operational.
Sheer luck i suppose
When was in the Air National Guard one of our F-100's got too low and hit the top of a tree. When it landed it still had part of the tree imbedded in the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. It just wasn't damaged enough to quit flying. However, it wasn't repaired and it never flew again.
bet she won’t make that mistake again. Glad they made it!
Same here!
Pilot - "We can't make wings level.". ATC - "OK, just maintain wings level and climb to 3000'". Genius's!
😂
TRY to…
"im depressed" "have you tried not being sad?" same energy :V glad they are ok :)
wait, how do you hit a tree while following an ILS?
Obviously she went well below the glideslope..
Maybe she broke out and saw the runway environment, and just flew at it from too far out, going below the glidepath because she was visual. It might be severe clear under an overcast, but at night you can't see the trees you're flying over. Someone in the thread said she reported having trouble getting established on the localizer; maybe she lost altitude doing that and when she got back over, figured she could fly into the glideslope that she was already below. If there was a radar track all the way down, maybe someone can figure out where she went wrong.
I've flown that approach (at night) in a PA28, but it was decades ago, but I don't remember anything interesting about it. We didn't have any computers or GPS back then, just steam gauges and paper charts.
All pilots are just meteorologists that know how to fly. Girl is lucky and passenger too! Cant see those pesky trees at night!
It was an ILS approach.. i am sure she went well below the glideslope
@@Flight_Follower I’m sure she did too. And the obstacles were probably marked too. But I don’t remember her position when she hit.
We too low?
Think so
Sum ting wong.
But admires for quickly regaining composure and getting her plane on the ground successfully. Impressive aviating.
The photo thought a bird strike - big one weird - kinda amazed that dent didn't tear off on impact.
Aside ... Seems lots of foreign accents flying GA nowadays. And female too.
LUCKY!
Don’t know ? 😂
Sum ting wong
Maybe because if the course is right you turn right NOT left??😂
must have been a weak tree or a tough plane!
Or both!
Nobody has mentioned the victims in this story: The Keebler Elves.
Sorry, we’re closed.
🙃🙃
Were the runway lights on?
Not sure.. I don’t see any reason for the runway lights to be off
@@Flight_Follower Just curious. Normally the Towers turns lights off(?) until they're activated by CTAF. Since the arriving plane didn't talk to the Tower (it was closed by then) I'm wondering if the pilot turned them on to distinguish the runway from street lights.
Did somebody say Martha's Vineyard ? Ive seen a few fatal investigations from pilots going there at night.
Can we please get someone to close caption these audios? “Unintelligible”
Really?!?! I can hear what they are saying. 🤦🏻♂️
But sir If you can hear what they are saying why do you even need captions?!
Probably shouldn't hit trees with your plane. It's not good for them.
Hit a tree? How far off the CL was she.. geez! She was lucky!
Confucius say, how you hit a tree on an ILS approach? Please tell me what airline she is flying for, so I can avoid a hairy crack up.
She was well below her glideslope for sure… I wonder if this took place after the DA.. still no excuse
@@Flight_Follower The controller was a much better pilot. And he was flying remotely.
He actually treated her like a lost and disoriented student pilot..she was acting like one tbh..
She called emergency should have been first priority..
She WAS the first priority
@@Flight_Follower The aviator navigator and flew the plane that's what matters.. aviat.. navigate..comunicate. in that order. If ya don't aviat.There Is No comunicate no more.
maybe she failed to use her turn signal.... and now she's flying passengers? wtf?
WHERE IS THIS?
There’s literally a a map on the screen the entire time and they talk about Martha’s Vineyard and Hyannis and show Cape Cod Coast Guard Air Station. Any subtle hints there for you?
These are the ones "instructing" the next generation of pilots. She crashed her airplane into a tree, people. Blind leading the blind. Coming to an airline near you!
On an ILS you hit something when you fly the approach incorrectly. Glad you landed OK.
but.. what did she hit to begin with and why?
Trees.. she hit trees..
Watch until the end. NTSB says pilot went off course and hit a tree.
its literally at the end of the video
@@Flight_Follower She is an instructor?
@@UnrealNarcissist She learned something in that moment. When I first got my ticket, I always remember the examiner wouldn't let go of it until I repeated his mantra "this is really a license to learn"
See aviated she tried to communicate but everybody tried to whatever priority get the plane down
@04:12 ; Engine is fine but we have (gallons) i hear
“15 gallons left”… of what I heard, but I could be wrong.
Thanks
Declared Emergency and continued to fly out over the water????
Exactly my thought! I would like to know of the reason.
She was having difficulty maintaining straight and level flight so that’s not a good time to try maneuvering. She just flew straight while getting to understand how the plane was handling.
@@AeroRamershe was having difficulty maintaining stable level flight. And you suggest she turn? She had the best idea, she's able to climb and maintain heading, keep heading forward. Its difficlt, but less than pulling a 180 at 3k altitude, with a damaged wing. She might just spin out or flat out nosedive and crash. She declared emergency, so she'll have priority when she arrives.
They actually confirmed whether the engine was running fine or not.. i thought it made sense.. i would have preferred to land in vineyard.. just saying
@@HammondGaming Seems like reasonable reasons knowing the weather conditions at that time was IMC, overcast 200' at night and reported VFR at the alternate airport, although I don't know if the pilot knew that. Otherwise, speaking only for me, I would have probably considered something differently and not fly longer.
A rare case where despite a complete lack of PIC exercising any command authority or communicating any decision regarding how she was going to handle the emergency, the controller somehow managed to handle it for her. From the ground. What a champ.
The "unintelligible" comms were clearly intelligible... just saying
Having been asked if there were more people aboard, she was offering to more formally complete the standard emergency questionnaire. She was probably thinking, "Oh, right I need to say souls and fuel. isn't that what one does when HOLY SHIT I AM FLYING A BROKEN AIPLANE let's see it's 15 gallons." I couldn't entirely make out what she said. But it wasn't 50 since there's not that much in a plane like that.
3:10 AAAAAAAAAAA oh, nwm...
Fine piloting.
After hitting the tree yeah
She had it together the whole time. I'd fly with her, no hesitation.
Simp. You’d fly with someone who negligently manifested an emergency? Especially a CFIT one? With no hesitation? You’ve said all I need to see to know I’d NEVER fly with you. Keep on simping!
She handled the emergency in the end.. but I would love to know how she dug that hole in the first place
She handled the emergency in the end.. but I would love to know how she dug that hole in the first place
@@Flight_FollowerDid you delete my response to this poster? I don’t see it on here anymore. And I agree with you, she handled the emergency…that SHE induced. She hit a TREE! On an ILS! And didn’t know what she hit! That tells me she went WAYYYYYY below DH, still couldn’t see, hit the tree, STILL didn’t have visual on the runway(or she should’ve landed), and the put herself back into possible IMC. She did GREAT mitigating it. But it never should’ve happened. I’d appreciate you putting my first reply back on this thread. I didn’t violate any TH-cam rules with it.
I can assure you..I didn’t delete any comment..and i agree with everything you said there…you summarized the situation nicely..she either went below the glide slope or the DH…no excuse TBH
so what did she hit. ah its at the end. a tree. wheew lucky it didnt take the prop and gear out. close
Trees!
She's nearing her decision height, and she had a full-scale deflection to the right, so she corrected to the left. OMFG!! She should not have a commercial license with an instrument rating. If you get full-scale deflection at that height, you go around. She had no idea how far right of track she was. Her poor decision-making caused her to have an accident. And, yes, it WAS an accident, as substantial damage was done to the aircraft. Her saying that she couldn't level the wings tells me that she doesn't understand aerodynamics at all. She couldn't have continued to a landing if she couldn't level her wings. More than likely, not knowing how to compensate for the extra drag on the wing that hit the tree, caused her to fly crooked with the ball way off to the side. She wasn't using her rudders. She probably never used them before, either. I see that a lot with new pilots (especially the Chinese ones).
Hits a tree somewhere on final---- the airport lighting is pilot controlled after tower closes. did she bother to turn the IMC lights on? Hits a tree, damages aircraft, elects to fly over 8-10 miles of water with an aircraft with unknown structural damage. Decision making is alarming. Lot of young pilots moving into left seat with questionable aeronautical skills and decision making as evidenced by a lot of weird stuff going on of late in the skies.
I love all the “kumbaya” comments. Hilarious. Someone said she moved on to get an ATP and is flying Embraer 145s. While you’re all simping and virtue signaling, if this is true, how would you feel if she was shooting an ILS on the plane YOU’RE on??? No one has the pills to call it like it is. How do you think her airline interview would’ve gone if she were a White male? I’ll tell you, he’d still be fueling Cessnas at his local FBO. Anyone here who knows the truth knows I’m not exaggerating.
Actually, surviving such close calls is just the sort of reality check low-time pilots need in order to become high-time professional pilots.
@@jiyushugi1085 Not a close call like this, though. This is bad. But when you're right, you're right, I'm sure she learned how serious you need to take IFR procedures and regs after that.
Got to love that racism shining through. I'm sure there aren't any incompetent white men flying airplanes, after all.
I would never fly with you. Not even as a passenger. I would not like to be in the same airspace as you. I don't think I'd like to even if you were on the ground. Because if there is one thing more dangerous than a tree, it's a bigot.
People learn when they make mistakes. This kind of lesson is one that you never forget. A wake up call. One day you'll get yours.
“Racism shining through”
Thats some way to put it!
If you don't have anything nice to say, you'd better shut up.
So I'll do just that.
Exemplary ATC communication
Indeed