Imagine how challenging that part would have been to make for aircraft in WW2, before CAD, CAM, CNC, in inconel. We're not in Kansas anymore. Respect. 😶
I don't know what 9 people in this world were thinking when they gave this video a thumbs down. The dance of this CNC machine alone, making this part, is worth the price of admission.
Deep thanks and appreciation for all that you share and do so that viewers have an incredible window into your incredible world. I found your videos just a few months ago. Thanks to you I checked out Wintergatan. You are both amazing people. Its been incredible watching. Cheers from Brooklyn to Texas!
Hey Peter! Your are right, those jerky motions and lines represented in the piece, are because of how the part is model; is something call “UV LINES” that you can check on fusion. For me are like the vectors of how the part was modeled, so when you activate the “lines/vectors” you will know how tool is going to move, because is going to follow those lines; by checking that you can choose the right or most correct toolpath!
This is so cool - this huge CNC machine pulling moves like that swordfight in the bamboo trees in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Being raised on manual machining, I've never seen anything quite like it!
You can't just dream it up, and then expect it to be perfect on the first iteration. We are just machinists. Though usually, we have our heads on better than the engineers.
Definitely your channel provides more benefits and practical use than those fancy clips from Titans of CNC. You show a proper way to make money from CNC machine. Respekt
That was quite an interesting little project you put together. I enjoyed watching you model it first and how you design the part that you are going to machine and then all the different parts of the machining process. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us and hope to see more of them,
I don't know how it would do if you spun it up to 20k but it's a great learning experience and a nice conversation piece. Thank you for all the trouble of filming the process and sharing it with all of us!
There was that time filming this video. The camera with its mag base got thrown into the chip pan (that clip got cut). But the case has been through that before an survived. Thanks Bill!
If you never do it you’ll never know, practise makes perfect as they say, not sure who says it. Thanks Peter, talents can always be added to with experimental projects. 🤙🏻👌🏻
When you model the two curved surfaces to be tangent only you'll see thier boundary in the reflection. To remove that, the model needs to be curvature continuous - tangent + the rate of change of curvature between the two surfaces being smooth at the boundary. I.used to do this with surfacing way back. Not sure if some software can do it in solids nowadays.
The surfaces are tangent. When using ruled features for milling the cam software uses the match lines the call them. It would be better if you can draw straight lines from both profiles all along the surface roughly perpendicular to the profiles. The shape I modeled wasn’t that way. This causes the machine to make those kind of jerky movements you saw in this video. I didn’t really think about it till I ran this program. I could have modeled it better. But it was just a quick test. Next time I will know.
As a machinist who did mostly 3 axis machining for all of my career, I can really appreciate this demonstration of 5 axis work. I don't understand it all but seeing it broken down the way you did gave me some understanding. The coordination of all of the axes during a blade is mind-blowing! I really enjoyed it. thanks.
Great experiment. I helped a friend do something similarly with a big old Fadal machinery Center. The real trick was to use the biggest bits to hog out material before switching to the Pine point
I've found when using Fusion for anything that's more complicated than some extrudes or boxes, using the surfacing tab is the way to go. Otherwise it fails to do a lot of basic radii or other operations. It's no Solidworks, but fumbling around with it you can eventually get what you want.
If you ever want to run the Integrex off Fusion CAM, let me know. I own a small company that makes custom Fusion posts. I will help you for free because of all the free education you have given this community.
@@OakwoodMachineWorks I don’t use fusion but on occasion. As such I’m not familiar with what you are referring to. Are you saying you can model you machine to us in a simulation
@@EdgePrecision Correct! I'm not sure how it does with mill turn, but it appears to have a fairly impressive 5 axis sim for what it is. It's pretty much like what they did with HSM works, which makes sense considering it is the same can kernel
As far as the impeller geometry surfaces, you can make them with a sweep function by controlling the rotation angle. Then pattern this shape (circular). Then make a circle sketch and revolve it around the same axis as the rest and set to cut mode. Then chamfer the ends. This creates a continuous CAD form that may not effect the machining side of it.
I would have been more careful with my modeling if I knew how it would affect the milling cycle in cam. Next time I will know. This is what experimenting teaches.
I'm sorry Peter, Fusion uses the "Stitch" command instead of the "Knit" command (Solidworks). So, go to your Modify pulldown menu and select "Stitch". Then pick the individual surfaces you want to join into a single surface. Please let me know how this works for you.
I may be a little late to this game, but.... In fusion 360, go to surface tools, set your selection filter to select only faces, select all the faces with edges that you want to smooth out, hit the delete key on your keyboard, this should delete those faces, now select Patch, select the outline of the new hole in the solid that you just made, and it should show an outline of the edges so just click on it, click OK, now use Stitch select the 2 bodies and click ok. Now you have nice smooth transitions and no edges.
Thanks I'm no Fusion expert. In fact I don't really use it hardly at all. So I don't know the ways to properly model things. I will give it a try and see if that makes a difference in the cam software's tool path.
Those surface problems you had, Mastercam just recently added some features to specifically deal with those sorts of things (or what I believe what the issue you had was), reflowing UVs of any surface within Mastercam itself. Fusion360 makes ugly solid models when it comes to 3d and multiaxis surfacing.
Right 1st of all I don’t want to try and tell you how to suck eggs…Your by far a better machinist then I will ever be..But I’ve been on the Apps for years now and I’ve done extensive amount of prg and cutting strategies on impellers..You can’t use 1 size ball mill…Without going into to much detail your right about prg size…A basic impeller can be 1 million lines if code…You need to rough semi finish..wall roughing wall semi finishing then actual finishing and you need a Cnc with @ least 20.000Rpm…and you have @ least 4 different size ball noses to get the detail and finish required…I’ve tried to keep it brief here…Machining impellers is not easy you need skill which you have in abundance but you also need the machine to match …spindle speed and actual machine movement feeds and rapids to get the detail and finishing you require
I think I said in the video that this is the very first time for me using this cycle on the software. The whole intent was not about tooling or programming for a high production job. In fact the my machine it 15 years old. Although it can do the movements necessary to machine a shape like this, its rotary axis don't move fast enough to do it efficiently. In other words it would not be the machine to use for this in production. As far a spindle speed it will turn 10,000 rpm on the milling spindle witch is a good match for its speed of movement. As I said before I used only one ball mill because tooling wasn't the reason for this exercise. Of course in production a larger tool would be used for the main roughing and progressively smaller tools to refine the details. I don't think I presented this as the best way to do this.
The separate sections might be due to your extrusions not being joined? It looks like you might have created separate bodies which would explain the split lines. I have had fusion seemingly glitch like this even when it is set to join however. I think the large radius may have caused problems too, it looks weird after it's applied. Sketching and revolving this fillet may improve things. Great work as usual though! Thank you!
The model I used was a true solid model. But it would have been better if the surfaces of the blades were modeled in a different way to what I did. Because of the match lines in my surfaces were not perpendicular to the edge profiles. It would be better if the blades were one complete surface on their faces with no breaks. So the ruled features defined in Esprit would interpret that better (If that makes sense) . You could see this in the way the machine moved. It could be more fluid instead of the somewhat jerky movement. Also you may have noticed the tool path in some areas didn't really follow the flow of the edges. So because of me not understanding the importance of this when I modeled the part it caused this. Now the machine was able to machine the shape and I could have got those areas that didn't quite clean up with additional programming in Cam. But I now know after this experiment how to model the part better for this kind of machine work. Thanks Travis.
@@EdgePrecision I ran into this all the time doing tube forming dies. Granted surface finish is not a requirement in that type of work but I like to do my best regardless and make the machine/toolpath run as smooth as possible. I do understand the learning curve of doing cam/cad engineering work yourself.
Thats impressive. I get why they always use an impeller as an example of simultaneous 5 axis work. Do you have to do much simultaneous 5 axis on real jobs or is it mostly positional 3+2
Nice job I always wanted to run a 5 axis I ran a 3 axis haas milling machine.. if you need help I'll work for you, I'm kinda far dough in south America
Mr pit this may sound crazy but I have a step file part that I was not able to make cuz we had mastercam x7and i see you have a fancy program spaceclaim maybe you can show how to machine it ..any how only if want too, I'm no longer make cheeps I make pizza now, let me if you want to see the part it'll be a good video ...hope you understand I'm not a US native but I was there for more then 20 years
Hi Peter, great vid. I'm curious did you make that extra long shrink fit holder? It doesn't look like an extension, I've never seen one like that, nice for that machine.
@@EdgePrecision I don't use Fusion at all, but I use Solidworks and we can "Knit" multiple segmented surfaces into one surface with the "Knit" command. Please let me know if this works. :)
Very impressive for your almost first time! Amazing to see such a big machine coordinate movements like that. Hey how are those awesome anvils coming along?
Peter when you did the extrude in fusion360 for the blades did you use join , if you used new body( default) you get that segmented look to the exude Great to see new videos from you always information Stuart
This isn’t the matching to produce this kind of part. It’s rotary axis can’t rotate fast enough. It can do the motion necessary but it’s to slow. I only did this as a programming exercise. To learn more about a cycle in my cam software. So as to the price for such things I haven’t really got a answer fo you.
this is a great video, I watched every videos on your channel and learned a lot from you. I saw you modeled on fusion 360, would does it program on Fusion as well?
@@EdgePrecision I was just about to say you should make a housing and see how much air it will move. Might be good to turn the OD down to remove the radii on the blades. Glad you're thinking about doing something with it; hope you find the time!
Fusion as it stands can't handle this machine for this kind of toolpath. Also I don't have a proper post for the Mazak Integrex machine. In Esprit TNG I can see a proper simulation. This is very important for 5 axis toolpath to avoid a collision with the tool or the machine elements.
Awesome thanks as always. So would you just make a sub and run on g54 and then: g55 A0(72 degrees); m97 p1; type of thing for making this work and then repeat for the whole part. I'm familiar with a hass vmc and that's how it would work I dont know if it's something else for something this complicated
It could be done that way. In this case I just manually entered the new C offset and started the program. But a cleaner way to do it in the program would be to use a small macro statement at the programs end. The machines fixture offsets can be accessed by a machine variable let’s say its #7006 for the C of G54. So at the end before the M30 you could say #7006 =[#7006+72.0] than on the next line IF [#7006 LT OR EQT 288]GOTO 1. This will add 72 degrees to the offset and repeat the program (jump to N1 in the program ) until the statement is no longer true. If the statement is no longer true it will jump to the next line in the program. Then M30 on the final line. to be really clean before N1 in the program also set #7006=0.0 so you always start with C offset at zero. I’m not completely sure of the commands in the IF statement it’s been a long time. To be sure I need to look them up. But I think you get the idea.
How would you manually programe that start with a tip location and angle bearing, and just program every axis the degree of change over constant time, what math to connect all this to curvic geometries 🤓🤓🤓🤓
That is hard to say. Also like I said in a previous response to a comment. This machine is not ideal to manufacture part like this. The speed of the rotary axis isn't fast enough. What you saw in this video is about as fast as it can go. When your dealing with rotary motion. No matter how fast the linear axis can move the rotary axis slows it down to what it does. For a 15 year old machine it can mill the shapes but it would not be fast enough for economical production. My only intent with this was to experiment with this cycle in the cam software. Thanks!
@@hypersphereengineering6015 yes did you notice how the machine was making those strange moves. I think if the model had a smooth flowing surface it would be better.
@@EdgePrecision yeah the jerky motion was noticeable on the roughing cycle. The finishing passes were pretty good. The end result still looks pretty damn good considering the CAD model. Like you said if the model was smoother the surface finish might have been better. You have a hell of setup. I have a small 4 axis in my home workshop. I'd love to play with 5 axis one day. Congratulations on the final part. It looks great
I used to be a Regional Sales Manager for Bostomatic and our 505/605 could out perform accuracy, speed and finish, anything out there regarding impellers…case closed.
Sold 20 of the 400 Bostomatics series to Carrier Corp in Syracuse to put in their plant in Arkansas to do impellars for turbo chargers and A/C units. Then the plant got hit with a hurricane and took the building out.
That’s interesting I have no experience with Bostomatic machines. This Mazak Integrex in this video is not the machine to make this kind of thing for production. This was for me just a exercise in programming and to see if I could make the shape.
Heck of a good job you did as well. If you have a good CAD/CAM system, that’s a good thing. Bostomatic used the same tilting head concept. You’d set the center point if the tapered ball endmill at the B axis center of rotation. Thusly… no motion. Then you’d program to keep the cutting edge tangent to the surface by tilting B… rotating A…. And moving XY and Z linearly.
Does anyone else hear the background noise at 6:44 into video? Holy sh*t, I thought an owl or something grabbed up cat outside. I hate when videos do that to me.
@@EdgePrecision I understand, I'm 28 and a machinist and machine shop manager for a company in NC, always been a fan of your videos and know filming consumes alot of your time and wasn't sure if you could use a helper, I've always want to do 5 axis machining but haven't had the opportunity yet, I've done quite a bit of 4th axis and live tooling turret Lathes but haven't worked anywhere doing 5 axis, love your videos cause you go in depth on setups and issues you run into, you and Titan definitely keeping the knowledge of machining alive and its greatly appreciated, have learn so much from the videos that has helped me improve as a machinist
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Imagine how challenging that part would have been to make for aircraft in WW2, before CAD, CAM, CNC, in inconel.
We're not in Kansas anymore.
Respect. 😶
14:55 That is some extraordinary camera work. Thanks for all the effort you put into these videos!
You have the same middle name as my mother’s maiden name.
@@EdgePrecision Autistically fantastic
@@EdgePrecision It's actually my wife's maiden name, we both changed our names back when it was rebellious. Her family are all in Iowa.
@@EdgePrecision you do have as we say here a "big Irish head on yah"! Love the channel, say hi to your Ma.
im not an engineer or a cnc machine operator but i find these kind of videos very interesting.
I'll never get tired of that simultaneous 5 axis action!!
I don't know what 9 people in this world were thinking when they gave this video a thumbs down. The dance of this CNC machine alone, making this part, is worth the price of admission.
Deep thanks and appreciation for all that you share and do so that viewers have an incredible window into your incredible world. I found your videos just a few months ago. Thanks to you I checked out Wintergatan. You are both amazing people. Its been incredible watching. Cheers from Brooklyn to Texas!
Hey Peter! Your are right, those jerky motions and lines represented in the piece, are because of how the part is model; is something call “UV LINES” that you can check on fusion. For me are like the vectors of how the part was modeled, so when you activate the “lines/vectors” you will know how tool is going to move, because is going to follow those lines; by checking that you can choose the right or most correct toolpath!
Awesome. Learning how to use the full capabilities of the machine is always a good thing. It opens up new markets. Next stop is some aerospace work.
lmao this guy makes rocket parts.
Peter learning something new and it seems so easy for him! I'm still stuck trying to get the stock dialled in! Thanks mate - God Bless
This is so cool - this huge CNC machine pulling moves like that swordfight in the bamboo trees in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Being raised on manual machining, I've never seen anything quite like it!
You can't just dream it up, and then expect it to be perfect on the first iteration. We are just machinists. Though usually, we have our heads on better than the engineers.
Definitely your channel provides more benefits and practical use than those fancy clips from Titans of CNC. You show a proper way to make money from CNC machine. Respekt
That was quite an interesting little project you put together. I enjoyed watching you model it first and how you design the part that you are going to machine and then all the different parts of the machining process. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us and hope to see more of them,
That 5 axis machining looked so cool, Awesome work!
I don't know how it would do if you spun it up to 20k but it's a great learning experience and a nice conversation piece. Thank you for all the trouble of filming the process and sharing it with all of us!
Cool Peter! Looks like it was a good learning project. Glad the camera survived.
There was that time filming this video. The camera with its mag base got thrown into the chip pan (that clip got cut). But the case has been through that before an survived. Thanks Bill!
Invaluable information for those learning these skills. Thank you!
Absolutely amazing! I watch your work and think about the advancements since tape driven mills (Cincinnati Milacron). Thank you for posting.
I worked for the company that made tape readers. They were bleeding edge technology, 50 yrs ago.
If you never do it you’ll never know, practise makes perfect as they say, not sure who says it. Thanks Peter, talents can always be added to with experimental projects. 🤙🏻👌🏻
It appears I'm not the only one who gets bored on a Wednesday and sees what sort of goofy stuff I can do with a computer.
When you model the two curved surfaces to be tangent only you'll see thier boundary in the reflection. To remove that, the model needs to be curvature continuous - tangent + the rate of change of curvature between the two surfaces being smooth at the boundary. I.used to do this with surfacing way back. Not sure if some software can do it in solids nowadays.
The surfaces are tangent. When using ruled features for milling the cam software uses the match lines the call them. It would be better if you can draw straight lines from both profiles all along the surface roughly perpendicular to the profiles. The shape I modeled wasn’t that way. This causes the machine to make those kind of jerky movements you saw in this video. I didn’t really think about it till I ran this program. I could have modeled it better. But it was just a quick test. Next time I will know.
As a machinist who did mostly 3 axis machining for all of my career, I can really appreciate this demonstration of 5 axis work. I don't understand it all but seeing it broken down the way you did gave me some understanding. The coordination of all of the axes during a blade is mind-blowing! I really enjoyed it. thanks.
Great experiment. I helped a friend do something similarly with a big old Fadal machinery Center. The real trick was to use the biggest bits to hog out material before switching to the Pine point
Absolutely outstanding! What modeling and machining capabilities you have. Nothing else to day - Outstanding
Pretty awesome result for a first crack at it Peter!
Nice experiment. Skill building.
Stunning to see the mazak running in 5 axis.
I've found when using Fusion for anything that's more complicated than some extrudes or boxes, using the surfacing tab is the way to go. Otherwise it fails to do a lot of basic radii or other operations. It's no Solidworks, but fumbling around with it you can eventually get what you want.
I don’t usually use Fusion for modeling. I just used it here because I know a lot of people do and the would understand it.
А ты крутой дядька!)) Отличная работа!))
If you ever want to run the Integrex off Fusion CAM, let me know. I own a small company that makes custom Fusion posts. I will help you for free because of all the free education you have given this community.
I appreciate that. It might be worth while for TH-cam videos. But for actual work Fusion doesn’t have a good simulation for this kind of machine.
@@EdgePrecision They just added machine sim, I wonder if a machine like this can be set up now?
@@OakwoodMachineWorks I don’t use fusion but on occasion. As such I’m not familiar with what you are referring to. Are you saying you can model you machine to us in a simulation
@@EdgePrecision Correct! I'm not sure how it does with mill turn, but it appears to have a fairly impressive 5 axis sim for what it is. It's pretty much like what they did with HSM works, which makes sense considering it is the same can kernel
As far as the impeller geometry surfaces, you can make them with a sweep function by controlling the rotation angle. Then pattern this shape (circular). Then make a circle sketch and revolve it around the same axis as the rest and set to cut mode. Then chamfer the ends. This creates a continuous CAD form that may not effect the machining side of it.
I would have been more careful with my modeling if I knew how it would affect the milling cycle in cam. Next time I will know. This is what experimenting teaches.
I don't know anything about cad or machining but i sure do like shiny!
I'm sorry Peter, Fusion uses the "Stitch" command instead of the "Knit" command (Solidworks). So, go to your Modify pulldown menu and select "Stitch". Then pick the individual surfaces you want to join into a single surface. Please let me know how this works for you.
I may be a little late to this game, but.... In fusion 360, go to surface tools, set your selection filter to select only faces, select all the faces with edges that you want to smooth out, hit the delete key on your keyboard, this should delete those faces, now select Patch, select the outline of the new hole in the solid that you just made, and it should show an outline of the edges so just click on it, click OK, now use Stitch select the 2 bodies and click ok. Now you have nice smooth transitions and no edges.
Thanks I'm no Fusion expert. In fact I don't really use it hardly at all. So I don't know the ways to properly model things. I will give it a try and see if that makes a difference in the cam software's tool path.
Wouldn't "merge" command make the three sections into one fin?
I'm curious how many actual machine run hours you have in this part? It came out looking real nice for your first go at it.
Very watchable - come out better than what I was expecting (all things considered) - compared to some I have seen that's a great 1st impeller :-)
Thanks Extra Dimension!
Thanks for the video
Those surface problems you had, Mastercam just recently added some features to specifically deal with those sorts of things (or what I believe what the issue you had was), reflowing UVs of any surface within Mastercam itself. Fusion360 makes ugly solid models when it comes to 3d and multiaxis surfacing.
Right 1st of all I don’t want to try and tell you how to suck eggs…Your by far a better machinist then I will ever be..But I’ve been on the Apps for years now and I’ve done extensive amount of prg and cutting strategies on impellers..You can’t use 1 size ball mill…Without going into to much detail your right about prg size…A basic impeller can be 1 million lines if code…You need to rough semi finish..wall roughing wall semi finishing then actual finishing and you need a Cnc with @ least 20.000Rpm…and you have @ least 4 different size ball noses to get the detail and finish required…I’ve tried to keep it brief here…Machining impellers is not easy you need skill which you have in abundance but you also need the machine to match …spindle speed and actual machine movement feeds and rapids to get the detail and finishing you require
I think I said in the video that this is the very first time for me using this cycle on the software. The whole intent was not about tooling or programming for a high production job. In fact the my machine it 15 years old. Although it can do the movements necessary to machine a shape like this, its rotary axis don't move fast enough to do it efficiently. In other words it would not be the machine to use for this in production. As far a spindle speed it will turn 10,000 rpm on the milling spindle witch is a good match for its speed of movement. As I said before I used only one ball mill because tooling wasn't the reason for this exercise. Of course in production a larger tool would be used for the main roughing and progressively smaller tools to refine the details. I don't think I presented this as the best way to do this.
The separate sections might be due to your extrusions not being joined? It looks like you might have created separate bodies which would explain the split lines. I have had fusion seemingly glitch like this even when it is set to join however.
I think the large radius may have caused problems too, it looks weird after it's applied. Sketching and revolving this fillet may improve things.
Great work as usual though! Thank you!
Much enjoyment Mr. Peter!!!
very awesome shows you always learn something by doing it 👍
Idk if you work/draw your models in surfaces or solids but in my experience cnc and cam tends to agree with each other better on a solid body
The model I used was a true solid model. But it would have been better if the surfaces of the blades were modeled in a different way to what I did. Because of the match lines in my surfaces were not perpendicular to the edge profiles. It would be better if the blades were one complete surface on their faces with no breaks. So the ruled features defined in Esprit would interpret that better (If that makes sense) . You could see this in the way the machine moved. It could be more fluid instead of the somewhat jerky movement. Also you may have noticed the tool path in some areas didn't really follow the flow of the edges. So because of me not understanding the importance of this when I modeled the part it caused this. Now the machine was able to machine the shape and I could have got those areas that didn't quite clean up with additional programming in Cam. But I now know after this experiment how to model the part better for this kind of machine work. Thanks Travis.
@@EdgePrecision I ran into this all the time doing tube forming dies. Granted surface finish is not a requirement in that type of work but I like to do my best regardless and make the machine/toolpath run as smooth as possible. I do understand the learning curve of doing cam/cad engineering work yourself.
Thats impressive. I get why they always use an impeller as an example of simultaneous 5 axis work. Do you have to do much simultaneous 5 axis on real jobs or is it mostly positional 3+2
Rarely is it necessary to do full simultaneous five axis milling. Or at least the kind of work I do. I do quite often do five axis positional work.
Boy. That machine can do about anything you want, huh?
Nice job I always wanted to run a 5 axis I ran a 3 axis haas milling machine.. if you need help I'll work for you, I'm kinda far dough in south America
Mr pit this may sound crazy but I have a step file part that I was not able to make cuz we had mastercam x7and i see you have a fancy program spaceclaim maybe you can show how to machine it ..any how only if want too, I'm no longer make cheeps I make pizza now, let me if you want to see the part it'll be a good video ...hope you understand I'm not a US native but I was there for more then 20 years
So how do you reckon they did this job in the 50’s? Hand carved a profile pattern and then stylus copied it using a dividing head to index each blade?
Sounds about right. The systems back then could do hydraulically coupled about as fast as those tape driven in the early 70's.
Amazing how that machine can articulate
Hey, my truck was stolen last week and ended up in Poppy's tow yard right behind your shop!
Yes there is a auto storage behind our building. That’s also where they towed my truck after my accident.
Hi Peter, great vid. I'm curious did you make that extra long shrink fit holder? It doesn't look like an extension, I've never seen one like that, nice for that machine.
I have a video showing how I did it. Capto 8 to .250 shrink.
Great video. What is the start to finish time for a part like that.
I can’t really say with all the filming video everything takes about five times longer.
The 90 degree meet at the bottom of the fins seem like another area that would cause trouble?
I think if you use the "knit" command you can make the fin surfaces "one" surface.
Thank you I will try that! As I think I said in the video. I'm not a Fusion expert. I really don't use it much.
@@EdgePrecision I don't use Fusion at all, but I use Solidworks and we can "Knit" multiple segmented surfaces into one surface with the "Knit" command. Please let me know if this works. :)
never do that on a bridge port....well not that fast lol nice job Peter
Stop goofing off and fix the chip conveyor. ;-) Or is this for a home brew pump to empty the coolant tank?
Very very neat, thanks.
Very impressive for your almost first time! Amazing to see such a big machine coordinate movements like that. Hey how are those awesome anvils coming along?
I just have to get around to doing something with that. By that time it will be 100.000 subscribers.
@@EdgePrecision hahaha that will happen faster than you think!
Amazing stuff.
Wow, every good job sir!
wow⚽
Very cool!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Peter
when you did the extrude in fusion360 for the blades did you use join , if you used new body( default) you get that segmented look to the exude
Great to see new videos from you always information
Stuart
If you were making many of these, how much would it cost for one piece? great video as always
This isn’t the matching to produce this kind of part. It’s rotary axis can’t rotate fast enough. It can do the motion necessary but it’s to slow. I only did this as a programming exercise. To learn more about a cycle in my cam software. So as to the price for such things I haven’t really got a answer fo you.
I learn more from you about machining, trying keep up with my degree love your depth.
Do they supply u with the post?
this is a great video, I watched every videos on your channel and learned a lot from you. I saw you modeled on fusion 360, would does it program on Fusion as well?
Not this program for this machine in Fusion.
Wow when did esprit get an actual GUI
Like 2 years ago lol
Very interesting, thank you.
Mazak moves well for the size
Will you continue and turn it into a model jet engine?
I was thinking a blower for a new blacksmith forge.
@@EdgePrecision I was just about to say you should make a housing and see how much air it will move. Might be good to turn the OD down to remove the radii on the blades. Glad you're thinking about doing something with it; hope you find the time!
Awesome video. May I ask why you are not using the CAM package from F360 ? Issue with the Mazak PP ?
Fusion as it stands can't handle this machine for this kind of toolpath. Also I don't have a proper post for the Mazak Integrex machine. In Esprit TNG I can see a proper simulation. This is very important for 5 axis toolpath to avoid a collision with the tool or the machine elements.
Thanks for sharing
I wish I had a real impeller model to send you to mess around with.
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Awesome thanks as always. So would you just make a sub and run on g54 and then: g55 A0(72 degrees); m97 p1; type of thing for making this work and then repeat for the whole part. I'm familiar with a hass vmc and that's how it would work I dont know if it's something else for something this complicated
It could be done that way. In this case I just manually entered the new C offset and started the program. But a cleaner way to do it in the program would be to use a small macro statement at the programs end. The machines fixture offsets can be accessed by a machine variable let’s say its #7006 for the C of G54. So at the end before the M30 you could say #7006 =[#7006+72.0] than on the next line IF [#7006 LT OR EQT 288]GOTO 1. This will add 72 degrees to the offset and repeat the program (jump to N1 in the program ) until the statement is no longer true. If the statement is no longer true it will jump to the next line in the program. Then M30 on the final line. to be really clean before N1 in the program also set #7006=0.0 so you always start with C offset at zero. I’m not completely sure of the commands in the IF statement it’s been a long time. To be sure I need to look them up. But I think you get the idea.
@@EdgePrecision ok that makes sense
How would you manually programe that start with a tip location and angle bearing, and just program every axis the degree of change over constant time, what math to connect all this to curvic geometries 🤓🤓🤓🤓
Had a 405 for small stuff. Beat the pants off everything.
Just wondering. How much this part would cost if i said HEY make me one? Im kinda interested to Test the airflow on it.
That is hard to say. Also like I said in a previous response to a comment. This machine is not ideal to manufacture part like this. The speed of the rotary axis isn't fast enough. What you saw in this video is about as fast as it can go. When your dealing with rotary motion. No matter how fast the linear axis can move the rotary axis slows it down to what it does. For a 15 year old machine it can mill the shapes but it would not be fast enough for economical production. My only intent with this was to experiment with this cycle in the cam software. Thanks!
@@EdgePrecision you could try switching your g61.1 to g64 and see how that goes
@@EdgePrecision I was more meaning if its just a Test piece want to sell it for the scrap value and shipping?
Do you have an impeller job coming up? Or just having some fun?
Just practicing/learning and making a video. No job at this time.
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If they're solids, can't you perform a Boolean Union to combine them into a single solid?
I probably could have. But before I did the machine work I didn’t know it was a problem. Now I know for next time.
@@EdgePrecision yeah the CAM will usually crack the shits at the transitions.
@@hypersphereengineering6015 yes did you notice how the machine was making those strange moves. I think if the model had a smooth flowing surface it would be better.
@@EdgePrecision yeah the jerky motion was noticeable on the roughing cycle. The finishing passes were pretty good. The end result still looks pretty damn good considering the CAD model. Like you said if the model was smoother the surface finish might have been better. You have a hell of setup. I have a small 4 axis in my home workshop. I'd love to play with 5 axis one day. Congratulations on the final part. It looks great
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Nice
Iso, impeller shaped object
You need to combine your model
The model is one complete solid. Its the match lines and flow in the surfaces that affects the cam software. Now I know.
Wow fusion360 cam program?
No I used Fusion just for the cad model. I used Esprit TNG. For the cam programing.
@@EdgePrecision oh.. thanks!
I really enjoy watching your video.
I want to learn espritcam from you.
I used to be a Regional Sales Manager for Bostomatic and our 505/605 could out perform accuracy, speed and finish, anything out there regarding impellers…case closed.
I don’t know about then. But if the Impeller is small enough they would have to be awfully good to beat out a Kern Precision machine.
@@EdgePrecision Had a 405 that could do the small stuff. I know Kern. Good but not as good as a Bostomatic. They’ve been gone for 20 years.
Sold 20 of the 400 Bostomatics series to Carrier Corp in Syracuse to put in their plant in Arkansas to do impellars for turbo chargers and A/C units. Then the plant got hit with a hurricane and took the building out.
That’s interesting I have no experience with Bostomatic machines. This Mazak Integrex in this video is not the machine to make this kind of thing for production. This was for me just a exercise in programming and to see if I could make the shape.
Heck of a good job you did as well. If you have a good CAD/CAM system, that’s a good thing. Bostomatic used the same tilting head concept. You’d set the center point if the tapered ball endmill at the B axis center of rotation. Thusly… no motion. Then you’d program to keep the cutting edge tangent to the surface by tilting B… rotating A…. And moving XY and Z linearly.
Does anyone else hear the background noise at 6:44 into video? Holy sh*t, I thought an owl or something grabbed up cat outside. I hate when videos do that to me.
hey how s your shoulder?
It’s not perfect. Or what it use to be before the accident.
What material is that please?
It’s just 6061 T6 aluminum.
@@EdgePrecision thanks. I am in dallas. Just got my Haas VF-OE working in my garage.
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Do you have an email to contact you at? I would love to come work for you
Thanks! But I only work by myself now.
@@EdgePrecision I understand, I'm 28 and a machinist and machine shop manager for a company in NC, always been a fan of your videos and know filming consumes alot of your time and wasn't sure if you could use a helper, I've always want to do 5 axis machining but haven't had the opportunity yet, I've done quite a bit of 4th axis and live tooling turret Lathes but haven't worked anywhere doing 5 axis, love your videos cause you go in depth on setups and issues you run into, you and Titan definitely keeping the knowledge of machining alive and its greatly appreciated, have learn so much from the videos that has helped me improve as a machinist
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@@EdgePrecision you are the master...big hi
Esprit? I don't like this program
Machine "an" impeller .....vowel follows " a"