6.5 Grendel - 120gr Hornady ELD with Varmint and N133
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- Another look at the 120gr Hornady ELD Match bullet in 6.5 Grendel. The test powders are Alliant Power-Pro Varmint and VihtaVuori N133.
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Johnny’s reloading bench is the best reloading content on the Internet. He has figured the best camera angles and wrapped it up in the perfect presentation. Is there anyone else that is even a close second?
JRB is the best, but check out The Reloaders Network, lots of good content and creators.
Not in my book! I can't leave his videos alone!
FortuneCookie45LC is an excellent presenter too. Best source for cast bullet stuff.
@@Gahmaz0z I agree fortune cookie is a treasure as well!
anyone know what range he is testing at ?? anyone ???
Johnny,
Big league move showing the failure to charge that round. It’s always a tough pill to swallow when a mistake is made but we all have done it. Your honesty and great content keeps me looking forward to your videos.
Great job!
Like seeing the velocity on the chrono after every shot.
Just made my sunday.. nascar is over and your video shows up... nice timings
Bought a 6.5 T/C Compass last year because of your videos, now I’ve purchased a whole reloading setup because of your videos! Keep up the awesome content!
I bought a Compass in 6.5CM back when the rebates were on fire and Im inside of .47" 5 round groups. Such a great shooter for a rifle I paid something around $220 after taxes.
Out of all the videos that pop up when I get home, it makes me the happiest when it's one of yours. Got spoiled when you were doing a ton of videos and now I appreciate the weekend videos even more. Hell, I don't even own a Grendel or a creedmore but I still watch them just the same.
Same here I actually do own a Grendel but there's several calibers he loads that I do not own but I still watch them. like the 300 wm don't have one 308 don't have one, 22 nosler don't have one, and I recently just built an ar10 creedmoor but I was watching his creedmoor videos before I had it and I still haven't started reloading for the creedmoor but I know where to go for info when I get ready. My favorite by far are these Grendel vids and the buttkicking 223. The mark262 series is pretty good too.. I enjoy them all what am I talking about. hell this is the 3rd time watching this video already
@@justa3v619 I 2nd that.. His videos are real.. His videos are not re-Done & practiced, or cut & Doctored up. Not many would show you a human error of missing powder in a case.. But he did. Ya have to appreciate that for sure.
For that double tap, that wasn’t a bad group!
Excellent channel and info. Loading 120 ELDM in Hornady brass for the 6.5G as I watch this. Thank you!
I'm simple, i see 6.5 grendel i watch
agreed.
Really excited to see the post, love the Grendel. Also, I’m digging the Labradar setup. Like being able to see the shots velocity right when you send it.
That was a great way to spend a Sunday evening waiting on a delayed flight. I've got 80 rounds of different factory ammo through my Grendel now, without a sub moa group. Thanks for keeping me from getting discouraged. Definitely my favorite TH-cam channel.
Johnny, I have 12.5" grendel and reload for it and it seems to only like the 120gr eld-m bullet. I'm glad to see someone else tried this bullet and had stellar results! Using my hornady comparator I had to seat my bullets a bit deeper, but my best group to date is just over 1/4 moa! And on top of it I dropped a 170" class buck this last season at 200 yards with one shot using this bullet. My new hunting round hands down!
I watch all the time working on a grendel and a valery good stuff keep up the good work
Sierra 125 gr jhp pro hunter 16.5 gr w296 seat to cannalure. 2000fps. My goto 300 blk round. Thanks for all your hard work. Favorite channel on yt
i can not believe we get all this for free. you sir have great content!
FYI: Nosler advertises their boxes of brass as being weight-matched within +/- 1/2 grain. And that was the circumstance when I ordered 3 boxes of 6.5 Swede, 1 '06 and 1 .270 a couple of years ago--took a 10 piece sample from each box of 50, all less than 1 grain spread for each sample.
Delivered to my home they were under $65 per box.
Johnny, your costing me a lot of money. Since I started watching you, I’ve bought a JP 6.5 Grendel, a Cross Machine 224 Valkyrie, a magnetospeed and now I’m gonna have to buy a LabRadar. Your a tough guy to keep up with. It has been a blast watching your videos. I love how down to earth and realistic you are.
Nice start to 1 hole groups. Take both of those last groups, sink the bullets .001 deeper, then .002, then .003 , up to .006. Johnny, take both powders up to 30 , 30.5 and 30.6 grains. I think they will serve you well. Keep in mind, its cold. Those bullets during hot weather ( 80 - 100 degrees) will hit 3 inches high and be over pressure.
Awesome video as usual 👌I love my grendels.
Just bought my first 300 win mag because of you. I'll be waiting for some more videos on the 300 wm. 🤘 by the way I noticed the full auto still works great. 😂😂
Thanks! I've been having some technical difficulties with 300 Win Mag. I was on the range with it this weekend and I should have the video up later this week.
Great video! I appreciate you showing the case without powder. I've been reloading 30 years and still make an occasional flub. Getting excited about the grendel. I'm in the middle of my build and hope to be finished in the spring. Thanks!
I bought a reamer when the grendel became popular for ar's and built a bolt gun and an ar from it, along with a set of dies. The bolt gun is a 26" Hart on a 700 clone and the ar is a 20" hbar 5r. The best bullet I found was the 107 smk. The 123 eld was good to but never tried the 120. Both rifles like the 107
Just shot 20 rounds of 6.5 Grendel yesterday. Shooting the 123 SST over 26 grains of H322. Worst group was 1 inch. I like shooting this round.
Ive been shooting the Hornady 123gr ELD Match with 26.7 grs of N133 getting an AVG. 2532 fps. I've got a 20 in Faxon barrel too .It has a ToolCraft BCG with DLC Coating .on a Rare Breed Spartan Upper & Lower. a Adjustable Gas Block from Superlative Arms . At 100 yards they are all in the same hole pretty much...And going farther Im pleased with accuracy and speed.At 600 yards theyt are all inside of about a 50 cent piece circle.The ES is 12 and SD 6.5..Not the best numbers but I dont care.Its shooting great with great speed. All using Hornady brass. great video.Thanks
I also have a 6mm ARC with a Faxon and another with a Shilen.. The Shilen Ratchett barrel does shoot a little better than the other 2 Faxon.Not much but a little,
You have some of the best videos..Thanx
Update..UPDATE UPDATE..I pushed them a little faster with some older brass and I blew 2 primers with Vihta Vuori N133 @ 27.1 grains. Not 100% sure if it was all high pressure because I saw not pressure signs at 26.9grs of N133 and then bam..Blew 2 Primers.. I was using Remington BR 7 1/2 Primers.I had not and still have not had any more issues.I may contribute the blown primers to me picking up some Range Brass .Maybe the primer pockets were a bit worn out.I will be checking primer holes more carefully from now on.I just don t know. for sure what did it.
One way to compare the Hornady brass to the Lapua that might give an indication of difference in quality (or lack thereof) would be to check the case capacity across all (or at least 15-20+) of each brand now that they are fire formed, and then look at the SD/ES there... just an idea that might be interesting for others to see as well. Tedious, but perhaps informative. Thanks for all your great content, keep up the great work!!
Gotta love Hornady bullets!
I use the 6.8 mags in my Grendel also. Mostly because the 6.5 mags were sold out when I was ready to order them so I took a chance on the 6.8 and they work great. btw the Grendel videos are my favorite
Very stoked to see another Grendel video!
Grendel >> Valkyrie or 22 Nosler! That being said, you post, I watch.
Eager to watch LabRadar review, but patient. Like brisket over pecan wood; it’s ready when it’s ready!
Thank you JRB!
Great. Very impressive. Appreciate the honest approach.
Those are some incredible groups! BTW, you are a class act for showing us that uncharged round. I did that several times when I first started reloading. It's been several years, but I'm sure I'll do it again sometime soon.
I’m so glad you got yourself a radar chronograph now your optimal charge weight tests are credible because you don’t have that thing on your barrel ruining the barrel harmonics
I have found that H322 is my all around powder for both the 223 & 6.5 Grendel. I am now testing the PPVarmint.
The lyman ez prime is what I have it's awesome has 2 cases for large and small and takes shell holders! I love it
excellent vid, really enjoyed it, good information, excellent results, and good humour, a big thumbs up from me.
Haha great video man, Unfortunately no sister, but maybe I’ll turn her loose in cabelas or bass pro on a bullet finding spree for ya 😬.
I shoot a 20” faxon match barrel in my Grendel and my load for it with the 123gr eld is 28.1gr of AR Comp. starline brass and 450 primers. I get 2500-2510fps with single digit SD’s. If you want to try it with your (my haha) 120’s.
Thanks again for all you do
love the new chrono, be cool to see some numbers at 100yrds too but i know you got your hands full with all you do anyway. real happy for you to see the 6.5g getting good groups. great shooting.
how far was he shooting I listened and never heard the range he is shooting at
Great stuff! New to your channel and loving it! Great subjects, presentation, video quality/focus and narration. Plus I am so fond of the Grendel and have been thinking about getting a rifle chambered for it for some time now. Watching this video will speed up that process even more. Thanks for an outstanding video!
Johnny's new Reloading Dating Show?!?! That will bring a new dynamic to the channel.
New sub, I find all your videos helpful. I'm debating whether to go with Grendel. Keep up the good work!
Been waiting for a Grendel video !! Thanks
Johnny's always so fast with his 6.5... Careful the atf will want you to register that finger of yours ;)
Johnny's been watching too many Miceluk videos?
Glad you didn’t squib it with that empty case bud. Could’ve been bad. I recently had a couple factory loaded ammo FTF on me and havent taken em apart to see what happened with em.
Keep those Grendel videos coming...Hope you return to the 107 gr. Sierras at some point, maybe with AR Comp as well.
Just daydreaming a little, I went from a Grendel to a 300 Ham’r and I’d love to see you do the same thing. I’d love to see you test that bad boy!!
I wish my range days turned out this good!
That’s some good development right there. Nice method! Can we see a little something about benchtop organization and maybe data organization? I know it’s all “on the computer” but mine is all “on the sticky note” at this point. Would love to see some organization videos next time it’s too cold to go out!
great video johnny learning a lot
I have a Odin works 20” 6.5 Grendel barrel have had terrible luck with it. Tried several different factory ammos 2+” groups loading 120 grain smks tried xbr 8208,varget with no luck went to the range today with cfe 223 and every group was great 30.2-31.2 grain max velocity was 2544 too. Only down side is cfe223 sucks to work with
I’ve had my eye on that barrel for awhile. I have an Odin Works 223 barrel that’s a shooter.
Chardee MacDennis 2 Electric Boogaloo i had all kinds of problems to begin with chambering ejecting sent it back in they told me it had a tight chamber sent it back no problems since
You should get a brass catcher. Makes life easy.
Thank you Blake's wife! 😊
been following you for a very long time, seems to me your groups on all your weapons are getting tighter. I am jealous good shoot'en
Just in time! My Grendel upper should be here this week...been studying all the Grendel videos. Haven't seen any BL-C(2) loads from you (Hornady has load data but not the Hodgedon site).
He loaded BL-C2 in a few of his early exploratory loads in the 24" Grendel. SD and ES, as well as groups where only OK to kinda poor. He actually kinda has rant about BL-C2, and his grandfathers hate of it. It's kinda a shame, cause BL-C has a load for nearly every rifle round, but it's a jack of all trades, and master of none it seems.
@@paulharveu526 Was hunting for that video - just couldn't find it! Wait - was that when Johnny was cloning that 5.56 round? If it was with the Grendel I cannot find it.
@@yissnakklives8866 "6.5 Grendel video #5, 70 more handloads function testing"
@@paulharveu526 Thanks! (I was checking the titles...no wonder!)
Lapua, nothing better!
Absolutely amazing Johnny. I commented before about my faxon 12.5” match 6.5 Grendel barrel for a “mini-SPR” type of thing. I am getting into reloading and I not only use your channel as a guide but basically the reloaders and BIBLE lol. Thanks man you are awesome.
Btw, would you consider doing some short barrel vids and work up some effective loads for short 5.56, 6.8 and 6.5 bullets? I think you’d have a lot of people happy to see that. I would.
Never been so early to a vid!
That was a great day at the range.
Going to be a great help for my Grendel reloading that’s coming up. Hey JRB, do you prefer the front rest or bipod for what you do?
Go! Go Johnny Go! But please - don't show up on my alerts when I've got work to do. Love those Grendel vids. [Fist of solidarity emoji here if I was on my phone.]
29.4 gr of PPV, Hornady brass, CCI 450 primers, 1.633" BTO gives me consistent sub moa groups out of my light profile 16" barrel. I don't have any velocity numbers but it has to be around 2450 at warmer temps based on my D.O.P.E for longer ranges
Forgot to mention that the bullet is the 120 gr eld-m
So your COAL must be around 2.185"-2.190"? How warm of temps have you used this load, 90*? I'm about to start loading the same combo and trying to get data. The COAL that Johnny is using would jam into the lands about .070" in my barrel. My measurements would call for a 2.180" COAL to get a .015" jump or 1.625" CBTO..
Another great vid, thank you.
How often are you cleaning this barrel? It seems like it keeps shooting better and better.
Can you do a comparison between the numbers that lab comes up with and magneto speed?
i have an 18in odinworks grendel barrel that likes the 120gn bullets too! it shoots 123gn very well too, but i think i'm more consistent with the 120gn variants. if you get a chance, and if somebody is kind enough to maybe donate it, try to get your hands on some 120gn berger bt target! those have shot the absolute best for me, consistently! for me, n133 and 8208xbr have been the powders of choice
I enjoy your channel. I was reviewing you series on cloning black hills anno. The episode comparing best loads so far was shot at 200 yards on a windy day. According to shooter app a 6 mph cross wind would drift a 77 gr smk bullet 1 MOA. I just wonder how much your groups were affected by the wind. Those .224 light bullets don't need much to blow them around.
i've loaded and shot 8,022 5.56 rounds of CCI 400 small rifle primers with only one round failing to fire with a proper firing pin strike. Unfortunately it was during a 3Gun match.
Squib loads, without powder usually results in bullet leaving the case and lodging in the barrel. Surprised the bullet didn't lodge in the lands.
Great Channel love all the content has helped me out allot. Primer question for you, can you run just basic small rifle primers instead of the magnum for this load, and potentially more the load up .5gs
The idiot that sends Johnny girlfriend which is going to take up all of his spare time for these awesome videos, will be tarred and feathered.
No men, let him do. Is science,looking for the good load,overpressure signs,prepping the brass,etc. video follows (we hope) LOL
I love the Sierra App Thanks brother
Johnny, try cfe 223 next, I'm curious of your results with a longer barrel vs my 12.5" pistol barrel. I'm also experimenting in XBR 8208? Good line up!
Please continue with the varmint powder and the same bullet. Go up in .2 grain increments and see if the sd"s and velocity continue to get better.
If I remember you said the n133 max was 25.0 by the book. With no pressure signs and excellent SD numbers did you consider a higher load? Maybe as much as 26.0? It appeared the case capacity is there. Some of your other videos where you push the numbers on 140 grain bullets seams to show you have the experience and wisdom to know when too much is too much. Just curious if you ruled out higher n133 charges based on that experience and need for safety. Sorry for the rookie question. Love the videos. I always learn something new. Keep up the good work.
Try some lever revolution powder. Love the 6.5 Grendel videos
Good stuff!
Looking Vihtavuori data they get up to 2444 with the 123gr Scenar, Lapua and 26.7gr of N133.
Beening you showed no pressure signs at all with your top charge weight, do you think and/or you might be able to go up to 26gr with N133 and maybe hit 2350-2400 and with the amazing consistency of N133 that would be a amazing load.
Johnny, I had the same problem with my Hornady hand primer, the small primers will flip over in the tray. I contacted Hornady, they asked if the primer had a “1” stamped in the side, it did not so they replaced it. The replacement had the same problem. With large primers they would slide cockeyed in the channel from the tray into the handheld portion of the primer and jam. I purchased the Lyman E-Zee primer - I have not used it a lot yet, but initial impression is that it is a much better primer tool. The E-Zee primer has a feeling of quality and is sturdy. Additionally, it provides me a better tactile feedback when setting primers. However, should you have a Hornady primer tool that work properly, it is better suited someone with a small hand.
Thankfully it was not a squib. I always give my reloads a quick shake, but I'm rarely pushing case capacity so I can tell if something is wildly amiss.
How about a quick video on chronograph brands you have used and your thoughts since you have lab radar now? I would like an affordable decent one if that exists.
The Caldwell is fairly affordable. he did a test with it and the magneto speed and they seemed to track well but had slightly different numbers.
I have the chrony with printer, is not user friendly, my SD with 6.5CM get stuck at 0.5fts. When your powder is to the slow side,the muzleblast will give errors. So you have to put it further away. Is still a eye catcher at the range.1 hours to put up and down LOL. see pictures. sites.google.com/view/reload-cheap-subsonic/homepage
Readings are so scary similar some times...with good powder. With bad powder...you will also know.(important for me)
Thanks for the help and input!
I have 20 inch Ballistic Advantage barrel premium series , I haven't shoot it yet ... still in the shop for cerakote ...
That barrel has been shooting some great groups lately! I wonder if round count/ break in has anything to do with it? I’d be curious to see you revisit some old powder and bullet combos to see if you get the same results....better/worse? It would interesting!
Ok now i want to try N133 vs H322. I bought some N540 after watching MK262 clone vids love the stuff.
Dammmmn love that lapua grendel brass!
Great groups bud!
Johnny, great video as always. Just curious; what buffer, or buffer weight do you run in this setup?
I have increased my loads with the N133 and shooting 200 & 300 yards.I think I saw a tiny bit of shine using 27 Grains. I have the pretty much same barrel as you but without the fluke, & silencer.
Love all the stats , it would be nice if you added how far off the lands each loading is
17:26 "So even a switch in lot numbers of bullets didn't make this interesting, so..."
I love taking stuff out of context. HAHAHAH What must normal people think of us reloaders?
Johnny . . . just curious why you don't use a catch bag (diaper)?
Sure do keep you from gathering the brass up out of the mud
and you don't have to bend over either. Big plus when your knees
are giving you trouble like mine do.
Got the same bullets for my 20" Wilson combat barrel..will be running cfe 223 (because I have way to much)....in hornady cases..I do care about how it shoots, but I am mainly interested in finding ways to hide from my wife and kids
Just a friendly reminder.... dont forget¡
Use a couple pieces of Aluminum Foil cut to fit. It will add just a bit of thickness and act like a shim
Perfect end to a blessed Sunday! #grendel #nuffsaid #grouptherapy
Any hornady headspace measurement data from new to once fired? Or water capacity from new to once fired? Curious on how the capacity difference and case stretch is in the lapua versus other manufactures. Also, I have been having excellent results with benchmark all the way up to the 130gr rdf.
That was definitely a good day!👍😆
Great videos. Have you ever thought about the Match Burner bullets by Barnes. Personally had great success with them both accuracy and velocity
I feel like a little kid yelling at my monitor....
DON'T FORGET!
Good show thank you
Johnny, I would like to see a video on concentricity and its effects on accuracy. Also, someone else
says when loading from a magazine, the concentricity is affected. I am going to test also, but your
testing is always much better than me. I just got a hornady concentricity tool, but have not shot any
processed cartidges. So the question is: does concentricity matter? By the way, I found one cartridge that was .010 out and was unable to straighten. Is this a flyer?
thanks, Lynn
There are some powder/bullet combos that have an inverse relationship between accuracy and SD.
Hi professor,question. 40 and 41 gr gives 0.3SD and 0.7" groups. 42gr gives 5to10SD and .3" groups. what must i shoot?
IMHO, anything under 15fps SD is pretty good so stick with 42.
I'm planning to start loading Grendel soon, Hornady brass, probably Hornady and Speer projectiles, CFE223 and Varget to start. Hornady or Lee dies.
I have both those die sets and I prefer the Hornady. I really like the bullet guiding collar on their seating dies. CFE223 is a good powder to get you started for sure. I've got plenty of Varget on hand, but I've never tried it in the grendel. Just picked up some Power Pro 2000-AR to play with recently as well.
@@faithandfarmingtennessee872 - i tried varget in the grendel and found really low velocities. i picked a middle charge, and out of an 18in barrel it only went about 2100fps. wasnt the best groups either, but not overly terrible. probably about an inch at 100yds, and using a 3x9 leupold at the time. it was just a trial and i dont believe i built any more using varget since then
I think Varget is a bit too slow for good 6.5G numbers
Think it's time to redo the 2000mr ar comp comparison with the eldm!
Love the video, just completed my Grendel and am looking to reload this caliber. Having a hard time understanding what the standard deviation means in reloading.