House of Commons 5th June 1994 debate on the use of French Words on Debate. Also includes during the division an excellent example of the old way of making a point of order wearing a Top Hat.
I love Betty Boothroyd so much, she was such an outstanding speaker! Also it feels good to see and hear her smiling and laughing rather than shouting for order like so many footages we have on TH-cam!
As an italian I have much respect for the procedures and the history of the british parliament, we are a parliamentarian republic (even if the right is pushing for semi parliamentarism or even semi presidentialism for some unknown reasons) but our traditions and institutions are nothing compared to all of this
@@liamb8644 He wasn't actually. The date of this debate was 5th June 1994 as says in the description. He became leader of the opposition at the end of July :P
@@RickyYTWLD Thanks for that clarification, it makes much more sense now. But to the comment above me, I must be pedantic and correct this: John Smith had unfortunately died by this point and Labour was being led on an interim basis by Margaret Beckett.
He was a frontbencher at this time (Shadow Home Secretary) and candidate for the leadership. He wouldn't have been sitting in the side benches near the Speaker's chair. He would have been on the opposition front bench.
MOST appropriate and most traditional. Members often were listening to debates covered and in a nearly recumbent position. Tables were left close to the front benches after the Post war reconstruction of the chambers specifically to allow front benchers to lay their legs on the table.
When I hear French I tell myself that I God would have wanted French as a world language but that as the French cut off the king's head and chased religion out of the public space ... God punished the French to because of that and he put English instead
Brilliant interchange of the evolution of language such close countries. Historically so dependent on each other.cheers to the arguments.language has to be enriched to understand
French for "mixed" ... which is true. I'm not sure if the politician used the word with correct tense grammar, and would it use English tense grammar or French tense grammar? No idea.
I love the way Gilles Brandeth had to rifle through his notes because he'd obviously written them in crayon, and had the larger part of a bottle of cognac inside him = anyhow, Up Yours, DeLors!
Traditionally to raise a point of order, during an division you had to wear an opera hat. the reasons for this has been lost in the mists of time - like many things that take place in Parliament - this was changed in 2001.
I think the particular reason was so that the speaker could see the m.p attempting to make the point of order throughout the commotion of a division. As you can see when a division happens you have mps going every which way which could blind the speaker from seeing the member is attempting a point of order.
another reason is that, when everyone still wore hats, you would typically remove it as a mark of respect to whoever you're talking to. thus, while MPs did usually wear top hats while in session, they'd remove it while speaking to the Speaker during a debate. but, since during a division there is no debate, you can keep your hat on. hence, MPs wearing a hat while addressing the Speaker came to mean that the MP is just speaking, not debating. then, when everyone stopped wearing hats, they presumably just bought two collapsible hats in to keep up the custom.
BRING BACK THE HAT RULE!!!
AND THE SPEAKERS WHIG!!
17:21 is the point of order in question
"if someone will go get the hat out, I'll hear him, otherwise I can't"
17:30 "Get the hat, I'll hear him. Otherwise, I can't."
LOL
I love Betty Boothroyd so much, she was such an outstanding speaker! Also it feels good to see and hear her smiling and laughing rather than shouting for order like so many footages we have on TH-cam!
"so much footage" would be proper English grammar
17:26 He tried to get away with holding papers over his head at first.😂
"Deux morceaux de pain avec quelque chose au millieu" instead of sandwich Lmao
This title reads exactly like a Monty Python skit.
this video goes to show that even the business of government can't be taken to seriously
You have agree they're way cooler than current MP's and Speaker's 😎😎😎
It’s hard to agree when you haven’t finished the sentence!!!
Awesomeness in discourse!
10:43 Wild Tony Blair appears.
"Deux morceaux de pain avec quelque chose au millieu" xD
Thanks for sharing, but the correct date is 5 July 1994.
As an italian I have much respect for the procedures and the history of the british parliament, we are a parliamentarian republic (even if the right is pushing for semi parliamentarism or even semi presidentialism for some unknown reasons) but our traditions and institutions are nothing compared to all of this
Mike Fabricant laughing at 10:41 is so wholesome
Just goes to show that's he's not just a Boris Johnson tribute act.
Is that Geoffrey Dickens MP on the Tory backbenches? Must have been one of his final appearances as he died in office in 1995.
It's from 1994 actually. The date is wrong
Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, top right, 11:50?
Standing around like some backbencher, he was leader of the opposition at the time!
@@liamb8644 He wasn't actually. The date of this debate was 5th June 1994 as says in the description. He became leader of the opposition at the end of July :P
@@liamb8644 John Smith was opposition leader at that time.
@@RickyYTWLD Thanks for that clarification, it makes much more sense now. But to the comment above me, I must be pedantic and correct this: John Smith had unfortunately died by this point and Labour was being led on an interim basis by Margaret Beckett.
He was a frontbencher at this time (Shadow Home Secretary) and candidate for the leadership. He wouldn't have been sitting in the side benches near the Speaker's chair. He would have been on the opposition front bench.
Best Madam Speaker ❤❤❤❤
Great 10 minute bill, glad we had Conservative member of parliament
05:13 Is this man really putting his feets on the desk? Would this ever have been a appropiate behaviour?
It's normal.
you can even lie down if you wish.
MOST appropriate and most traditional. Members often were listening to debates covered and in a nearly recumbent position. Tables were left close to the front benches after the Post war reconstruction of the chambers specifically to allow front benchers to lay their legs on the table.
@@tsetienchu2482 as taken advantage of by Jacob Rees-Mogg!
ménage à trois - the phrase everyone thinks the French use, even though they don't.
... but did the Norman-French / Anglo-Normans use that phrase?
Huh, we certainly use it
29:08 Looking good Jeremy!
Don't encourage the scruffy beggar.
When I hear French I tell myself that I God would have wanted French as a world language but that as the French cut off the king's head and chased religion out of the public space ... God punished the French to because of that and he put English instead
Really interesting quote. Can you tell me where it's from?
Brilliant
The French is so bad they could be in the Canadian House of Commons.
5:14 wtf! Can he do that?
Yes
Brilliant interchange of the evolution of language such close countries. Historically so dependent on each other.cheers to the arguments.language has to be enriched to understand
"English is a mélangé"
What?
Case in point
French for "mixed" ... which is true.
I'm not sure if the politician used the word with correct tense grammar, and would it use English tense grammar or French tense grammar?
No idea.
So much class here compared to today!
I love the way Gilles Brandeth had to rifle through his notes because he'd obviously written them in crayon, and had the larger part of a bottle of cognac inside him = anyhow, Up Yours, DeLors!
Can anyone explain the reason for tbe top hat and the history?
Traditionally to raise a point of order, during an division you had to wear an opera hat. the reasons for this has been lost in the mists of time - like many things that take place in Parliament - this was changed in 2001.
@@coljaxparliament1290 source? Thanks
I think the particular reason was so that the speaker could see the m.p attempting to make the point of order throughout the commotion of a division. As you can see when a division happens you have mps going every which way which could blind the speaker from seeing the member is attempting a point of order.
another reason is that, when everyone still wore hats, you would typically remove it as a mark of respect to whoever you're talking to. thus, while MPs did usually wear top hats while in session, they'd remove it while speaking to the Speaker during a debate.
but, since during a division there is no debate, you can keep your hat on. hence, MPs wearing a hat while addressing the Speaker came to mean that the MP is just speaking, not debating. then, when everyone stopped wearing hats, they presumably just bought two collapsible hats in to keep up the custom.
17:35 Nice throw.
Brilliant.
why are people moving around all the time, why are they seated? it looks so messy when they dont sit down.
who is the MP with the hat?
Tony marlow
" l Anglais ce n est jamais que du Français mal prononcé " dixit Georges Clemenceau
A young Jeremy Corbyn!
REVELATION 22:12-13
No Comment thank you
Jeremy corbyn got to be a teller!
mdrrrrrrrrrrr sacrés Rosbifs !
Brexit showed what should have been obvious: uk is a big Monty Python/Benny Hill show. 😂
It was hidden behind a tin veil of seriousness