TANNUS ARMOUR INSERTS, ARE THEY WORTH IT? ADDING TO MY VITUS SENTIER VR AND INSTALL
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- In this episode of Dan Escapes I install some tannus armour inserts instead of running a tubeless set up on my Vitus Sentier VR. See what I think and what I didn't like about them.
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Hi Dan, to get the tyre sliding on to the correct position on the rim you can try spraying some soap/water solution on the tyre wall. The tyre will then slide to the correct position due to the reduced friction when you add some pression into the tube. Cheers!
Great video Dan. I installed a pair on my mother's EMTB last year and she hasn't looked back. Mine arrived today. 😊
Thanks Julian, how did you find the install? Got any tips on how to make it easier? What size tires you adding them to?
Hey to! Great review. I am a casual rider somewhat similar to you I imagine. Just had another puncture out riding in the woods and started to research different inserts. Preferably something where I would not need to mess with sealants as I also live in an apartment. Anyway, I found your review informative, relatable and honest. Ordered a tannus for my rear. Great review, really well done. Thank you!
And those Magic Marys are a effing pain to get on the rim.
Thank you for your comment and watching the video! Glad it was helpful!
I’ve set up tubeless on my other bikes and although I’m enjoying it, it is a faff to stay on top of. Luckily I have access to a workshop where I can do it but for most people they don’t. These inserts are great at protecting you from punctures and definitely if I was doing a long trip would use them and maybe pared up with a light weight tpu inner tube.
Let me know how you get on!
Great video, I too had the same difficulty installing my Tannus inserts also I had the same tyres as you maybe the're not very stretchable as others but it was a real pain I literally had blood behind my finger nails, tyre was very wobbly in the rim took some time to manipulate it to more or less straight, got there in the end and lots more relaxed to ride knowing its flat proofed now.
Thank you!! Yeah so hard to put on, i did put new tires on and was still hard but a lot easier. Also I got this tool from cycle pal to help me, thought I was going to break it but some how survived. I recently got a bmx and some glass got caught stuck in the tire and cause a small puncture. Think it’s time to install them on my bmx. Did you use powder with yours?
I've changed tyres on my tannus inserts multiple times. The first time is the hardest. It seems to get easier the more you do it.
I changed to maxis tyres and found it easier. Did you use talcum powder?
have your inserts held up or have they gotten flaccid like many people say they do?
That seems to be the tone I get from their videos. It feels like they’re saying, “They’re so easy to ibstall. all you gotta do is defy physics.”
mine got flaccid pretty quick, still works though. just not as nice when new, but very easy to install when flaccid@@Daniel-dj7fh
Cool video Dan... Wanna see you go up the stairs.
I have ridden with home made inserts on my old bike . But I eventually dumped them as it was always a shlep to change tires.... It got very fustrating.. I have run tubless since with no real drama....worst thing is getting them to set .. but got a nice floor pump and that helped.
Thanks Dan, go upstairs is something I need to work on!
Yeah was really set on tubeless, but thought I’d try these out and see how it goes. Can imagine they’re great for touring to reduce punctures.
@@DanEscapes inserts are great...just rolling resistance can be a issue on longer rides...As long as the tires are not old old and you use a good sealent then you really need to push hard with low pressure to wreck a tire...well that's just me anyway.... I am very interested to see your thoughts after a while.... I must admit...I googled them after your video....just to check it out
I just installed it on my ebike. Good stuff.
Nice, how you finding them?
I have a gravel-bike, and I have punctures in the front wheel every time I go out on it, it's so annoying, especially when it's raining, so I've just sent off for these Tannus inserts for the very same reasons, because I have no wish to be covered in sealant if I did get a puncture with tubeless, which I no doubt would, and the extra weight is minimal - really great, informative video, thanks.
It is definitely worth it if you don’t want any punctures and tubeless can be a pain to maintain. Thank you for watching and please let me know how you get on?
@@DanEscapes UPDATE: I fitted the Tannus Armour last Sunday, and I haven’t suffered any punctures since.
I’m very happy with it.
I ride a Gravel-Bike through the forests here in Berlin almost every day, maybe 50km, that’s 350km for a full week and without fail I have had to fix a puncture on every ride, but only ever on the front wheel.
So I fitted just one Tannus Armour on the front, and and it’s completely cured the puncture problem.
To counteract the added weight of the insert (260g), I fitted Tubolito inner tubes front and back (2x35g=70g) which has resulted in a total weight increase of just 80g.
According to various online tests the Tannus Armour is supposed to add 13.6 Watts of rolling resistance to a tyre, but my subjective experience is, that although the tyre with the Tannus insert may now be harder, and has lost some comfort, it does also appear to be much faster, especially on an asphalt surface.
But that’s a problem easily fixed with a Redshift Shockstop suspension stem, something I planned on fitting anyway.
Overall I’m extremely happy with the Tannus Armour, especially, as you said yourself, it’s so maintenance-free.
I've spent hours fiddling around with this armour. I've had to install one a few times on a 17mm rim with a 2.25" schwalbe racing ralph (not recommended) and ofc I didn't bother cutting it the first time. I needed 2 extra hands to get it seated badly. It was a genuine nightmare but it finally allowed me to use a 2.25 tyre that wouldn't almost roll off or puncture every other day. Now I have a 24mm rim and the armour is flaccid. I also cut it to size and it's super easy to install now compared to the first time. I was scared of ripping the tyre, good thing the racing ralph is strong.
Sounds very hard that first time, definitely worth cutting it down to make life easier. How have you found the performance of them?
@@DanEscapes first months awesome. After 6 months the armour suddenly is very flat. Still works but it's like the cushioning effect is less. You do feel slightly slower when chasing roadies but when you take big hits u feel great
@@X41N3 did you leave it flat when you’re not using the bike? When ever I leave the bike I deflate the inner tubes.
@@DanEscapes nope..never heard anyone say that. Maybe that works but I ride a few times a week, gonna be real annoying to inflate a tyre every other day
@@X41N3 it did say to deflate your tires when not in use to keep the structure of the foam.
Hi. Thanks for video.
Wonder two things if you have experience.
1) does it feel softer than tubeless or only tube?
2) does it get thinner time by time in the tire?
Thanks for watching!
I'd say it runs harder than going tubeless, obviously more weight than tubeless but so far have had no punctures and low maintenance. I am going to try and run the tubolito innertubes as they are really light.
Regarding the thinner question, you are suppose to let the air out ob the tubes when you're not riding for along time so the foam keeps it shape.
Hope this helps!
It is a nightmare getting them on. Talcon powder won't help but it should be used.
A lot of effort for maximum protection!
@@DanEscapes I used talcon powder spray. It is much better and there is no mess. It is named anti-perspirant foot spray.
I actually found you because I was looking at these. I am a "tubeless holdout myself, in spite of mockery and laughter, lo.So, "ease of use" was a bit of a hasty statement, lol. Virus make a nice bike, thanks for the video, cheers
Yeah I’m still hesitant to go tubeless. But I’ve been riding with these a lot and still had no puncture. I’m looking at adding tubolito, just to save a couple of grams. I heard using talcum powder makes it easier to install. I added light maxxis tyres which were easier to put on than the schwalbes in this video, but bought xc style tyres and don’t work well for the riding I want to do. Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any questions.
@@DanEscapes how did you fair with Maxxis? Did u experience the dreaded " Maxxis wobble"?
@@DanEscapes I think I'm sold on tannus armour, at least until I upgrade from the old Surly rabbit while rims to a tubeless ready rim.
@@brandonwalker6781 I did indeed 🤦🏻♂️ still have a slight wobble. I’ll see how it goes with grippier tyres. What ones are you riding?
I'm running surly knards ATM but the plan is to build a set with some more road appropriate hookworms with some hope pro 4 hubs
Nice video bro
Thanks bro!! You should get mountain bikes for out your way!
Totally agreed, sealant tubeless setups are dead for me too
You just running Tubes at the moment?
How are these working out? I've had 4 flats in 2 weeks and need to make some changes on my tires. Are you happy with their durability against flats?
I haven’t been riding on this bike for a while due to a new one. But honestly had no punctures on this at all. I would say it does make the front tire in MTB abit harder than I would like and noticed I’d slide out a few times. My new bike has been running tubeless but haven’t had any punctures yet. What setup you running now?
@@DanEscapes Thanks for the update. I'm using factory tires (on the HeyBike Tyson the tires are really thin) without any slim or any protective liners. I actually just ordered the Tannus Armour and some Flat Out last night.
Definitely looking at thicker tires will protect against flats. Also running Tannus armours with light tubes can be good as well.
I use a very heavy tour bike,on bad road a lot ,40 to 85 miles a day, what would your opinion be on this product for tour bike
How did your tires hold up? These do add a lot of rolling resistance to the wheels and especially if you’re doing that many miles a day you’ll notice. If you find that you’re constantly having to fix punctures and your can deal with the rolling resistance then it’s be a great product. I haven’t had any punctures since installing them and managed to make my wheels lighter by changing the tires and inner tubes (just an added expense)
Hello,
I have considered getting these inserts for protection from glass and goathead stickers which we have in abundance around here. However, I also need new tires at this time, but at the cost of $50. for each insert, I will likely not be investing in the tannis inserts right now. I think they are a wonderful idea however.
They are expensive but I’ve never had a puncture with it on. Looking at putting them in my new bike now.
It's actually more since you need new smaller tubes. Full price with tubes delivered in like 175 USD from the company last I checked. Some good liners, some good(non garbage)tubes and some tire slime in each tube works quite well. Another thing to help not get so many flats is lower your tire pressure. I run my ebike tires at like 50-60% psi. I know others who go like 15% of max psi...Prob depends on the bike. I've also heard of people using certain types of foam pool noodles that have a cutout in the inner center that the tube can be placed into and put in the tire then pumped up. Though I imagine you'd need a smaller tube than the tire calls for like when you install these Tannus liners. But those couple ez things I mentioned will help a lot. It's all I do with all of my road bikes and I've had good luck.
Did you get a side picture of the tires when they were flat? I have them and when I had a flat it felt as if there was nothing in the tire, so I walked the bike out. It's at the bike shop now being fixed.
Oo I haven’t had that problem. Did you get a flat with the tannus’ in?
Yes I did. It was the stem not a hole.
I ride gravel, skinnier tires, but 10mm more than standard and therefore have a slight rimbrake clearance issue where i need to deflate the tires abit to squeeze the tires past the brakes.
How much wall squeezyness do you have with the inserts if the tubes are not inflated?
And after time, have your inserts gone flat? I've been reading that the thick bit just becomes flat and you kinda lose the protection bit. Have you had similar experiences or are yours still in shape?
My options are at the moment to get a set of these for around 40bucks a piece and reuse my current tires.
Or get a new set of tires (because the rear has two holes, a thorn and glass shard) which could cause issues, and kinda need a new tube once a month or something, which costs money :(
I run 700x42c Conti SpeedRides, in case that's important
It’s hard to say, I feel the tires will keep its shape with the inserts in so running that low pressure won’t help with clearance for the rim brakes. Since having them I have not had a flat and feel super safe with them in.
They do mention when not using the bike to deflate them so that’s what I have been doing to help them last longer and keep the shape.
Tbh running good tires will help more especially with grip.
@@DanEscapes my issue is the punctures
Good video im thinking of getting these where did you get them from
Thanks Andrew, Igot them from this place www.sprocketscycles.com/products/tannus-armour-insert?variant=34644276904089 based in the UK and really fast delivery!
Took me a while to find them though, at one point I almost went tubeless.
@@DanEscapes thank you very much i will get mine ordered
@@andrewcrockford6151 awesome, let me know how it goes with the install!
@@DanEscapes
I finally got a tannus for the rear of my hardtail and fitted it in about 15 minutes talcum powder does definitely help
What psi did you use?
When’s I was riding out on the concrete slightly over 30psi and on the trails I’ll go down to 26psi, I’m still working out what psi works for me. I’ve also made changes to the tires and inner tubes recently and can find it in my vitus upgrade video.
Anyone use these on longer mtb rides? The extra weight make a difference?
It does add some rolling resistance, you can opt to have a lighter tpu tube from tubolito or buy the ones from Ali express.
did you get a puncture yet?
Haven’t had a single puncture yet! So good if that’s something that bothers you
How u finding these so far?
I’m really liking them, don’t notice too much in weight from the original inner tubes. I can’t comment on the difference between tubeless and these though. I don’t pack spare inner tubes when I ride now, really hope that doesn’t ruin a days riding. What’s your current set up?
oo you will have puncture with tannus don’t worry I cut mine quite fast and the bike is way slower and it’s really hard to padle…
Holding up so far but the tires I’m running are pretty heavy. Was thinking of trying some lighter tires to see how they run, but will make them more vulnerable. Yeah the pedal is hard but for some reason I like making things harder for myself.
@@DanEscapes yeah i’m running DH
casing dhr and dhf but without tannus it’s ok for paddling but with tannus inside it’s hard to padle even on flat terrain so I use tannus only in bikeparks but the loss of speed is quite significant but since I don’t do races I don’t mind that and yes it helps a lot with punctures but it can still happen
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Can I still use the 29in tube and put it in the 29in tannus armor. ???
You can, they have to be a certain thickness though, means you can run light tubes
I am more of a MTB w/ a rigid fork set up for ENDUROAD Category 🤣 I hate road bikes with our current roads here in the Philippines is like more trail friendly 🤣
That is why I like ridding 2.25-2.3 tires on my MTB so it can take on rough roads / rocky roads. 🤣
Can I run a 40psi w/ tannus armour? 😀
Haha enduroad! Where in the Philippines do you live? My family are out in pangasinan. A lot of people in the UK are starting to go for gravel bikes. You can definitely run higher pressures with the tannus armours. You might need to run lighter tires and inner tubes to compensate, but so far haven’t had any punctures. What tires you planning on running and thank you for watching ! 🙏🏻
@@DanEscapes Yup you heard that right ENDUROAD! I tried in my mtb with 700 x 35c and 38c for more than a year and I switched back to CST Jack Rabbit 29x2.25 folding tires. Its better for me to have 2.25 which I am very comfortable riding here in our trail friendly highways / roads. I live here in Tacloban City. I got an uncle working there in Reno Nevada and hes coming back here. I found out regarding tannus armor and I told him to buy me 2 as a gift. 🤣 That is why I asked you regarding about this. Thanks for the infos!
So more of a flatbar gravelbike rider.
@@dwight6502 I had 700x32's on my bike and kept hitting the rim on the smallest of stones, swapped to 42 and never hit my rim again. would recommend if possible.
Continental's RoadSpeed 700x42c's have held up 2700km, and could probably do another 2700km.
@@Daniel-dj7fh i tried continental mountain king 35C and CST Pika 38C man the roads here are rough I even reverted back to Airfork like a 2 weeks ago.
With a heavier e bike the Tanus did not allow me more than 100m of riding.
On no, what happened?
@DanEscapes I hit a kerb and received my dues a snake bike puncture. The tyre was flat as in seconds. I rode 100m to discover that was it! Had to call for a van just to go the 300m home. Tanus also surprised me because no longer did it have thickness, but it too was flat and floppy like an inner tube..... Take a look at used ones things are not as they seem......
Mit DT SWISS Felgen und Michelin DH22 Reifen nicht montierbar.
Cable ties and washing up liquid
Cable ties made mine much easier and time wise.
Will have to try that out!
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