I thought that by "illegal pitch" I was gonna see some pitch that was so nasty they had a rule against it. Nah she just stepped over a line or something lol.
It's important to keep in mind that this took place in about 2016-17. At that point, in College softball, both feet needed to be in contact with the pitching rubber. After 2020, the rule, as you all know, was amended and called the start back, which now enables the pitchers to have their stride foot behind the rubber. In this particular pitch, looking at the side view, her right stride foot is out of camera and is shown to be a good distance behind the rubber which her left push off foot is standing on. From the angle, the 3rd base ump has a direct line of sight to that gap between her right foot and the rubber - thus he calls the moment she begins her movement.
An illegal pitch in softball is when the stepping foot of the pitcher goes over the white line on the mound, and the argument here is the foot did not go over. The replay shows the foot didn't go over, yet the umpire made the call as otherwise
The margin between the pitch being legal or illegal was very small. A very big call was made by the umpire with bases loaded. The pitcher probably performed the same action in her pitching delivery earlier in the game that wasn’t picked up. It’s the timing of the call that is the problem.
Why would they???? 99% of people that watch softball know the rules. Not to mention that they didn't broadcast this game knowing that this tiny excerpt would show up on TH-cam & be put totally out of context.
The pitchers foot can come off the rubber in womens softball however both feet can not be off the ground at the same time and the ball must be released with both feet in side the circle. It looked like a good pitch.
1:20 Just as she starts her motion, you can see the third base coach turn his head and say something to the umpire. Ump then immediately gives the sign. All of this happened well before she began her windup. I still have no idea what made the pitch "illegal", but it must have been right at the beginning of her motion.
It was illegal bc her hands came apart. Once the wind up starts the hands have to stay together. You can see them come apart slightly right before she gets into her “official delivery” and that’s when the 3rd base ump makes the singnal and then the coach. The coach may have said something to the ump to get him to see it, but that’s fine. Either way tho it’s the right call.
A crow hop is a replant and a second push occurs after the initial push from the rubber. Leaping, which the video shows, is losing contact with the ground with the push/drive foot as you drive from the rubber.
The video is not totally on her when the third base umpire calls the illegal pitch which is pre stride. From the motion it appears she moved her stride foot reward prior to delivery which is why it was called. Once set she can only pick it up and move forward. Right at 0:42 you can see by her body motion the right leg moving rear ward. Once the pitcher initially sets the toe of her stride foot, she cannot move it to increase the distance behind the pitcher’s plate.
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The pitcher's foot came off the rubber before she released the pitch, which allowed her to be closer to the batter than if she kept her foot on the rubber.
If you watch the replay of the pitch, he called the illegal pitch before she started her wind-up. So that probably means it had something to do with her getting on the mound or not taking a pause before she started her motion. It had nothing to do with her feet on the mound or her left foot being on the ground.
@@sirstephen9825 I think what he meant was the pitching rubber, I don't know that much about softball rules only baseball and reading what everyone is saying is only more confusing as to why it was called a illegal pitch because i'm hearing 3-4 different explanations of why it was called illegal.
Maybe be incorrect but for those wondering what’s wrong I’m pretty sure it’s that she doesn’t start with both of her feet on the mound the second time. I know the camera angle is pretty bad but I think that’s the problem? I know my high school league had that rule, not sure if they’re the same
I think it was for the lack of notable pause before the delivery. The umpire signals the illegal pitch very early in her windup and it appears to me he might have thought she failed to pause before delivering the pitch.
1:23 ...she rocks back on her heal...3rd base coach chirps at ump... hey, her foot left the rubber"... ump calls it incorrectly. She never lost contact with the rubber.
I'm a pitching coach, will someone please tell me what was illegal? She pushed off the plate with her left foot, never crow hopped, did not leave the width of the plate etc. What am I missing?
The ump signaled before the pitch and while it was not clear on video I would guess she stepped back off the rubber with her non pivot foot making the pitch illegal
David Olson that exactly what happen. If you play the sport it can be very easy to use o identify but she still didn't makeing it an illegal pitch and advanceing the base runners
This happens all the time. A pitcher will go all season without throwing an illegal pitch, then a single umpire decides that every other umpire was wrong.
Sometimes coachs will not call illegal moves till playoff time when it is critical, and players do not have time to correct (the habit) it. It can win games for you. Basketball players carrying the ball while dribbling during the regular season then being called for it at tournament time is an example.
Both feet coming off the ground , at the same time, would be a leap, not a crow hop . A crow hop , or replant is when the pitcher replants her forward foot, and pushes off from somewhere, other than the pitcher's plate . A crow hop and a leap ARE NOT THE SAME THING .
Nonsense call...her dive foot lands at different angles, inside the circle, so she isn't "aiming," the pitch, rather, she changes the location based on where her dive foot plants.
Someone else pointed it out, but it's probably something with her back foot since the third base umpire called it before the pitch. Conveniently for this video, her back foot is cut off on the replay... gonna bet she wasn't in contact with the rubber. That's not crow hopping, by the way, since her back foot was on the ground the whole way. You want crow-hopping, check out modern men's fastball. As long as they stay in the circle, it's all legal.
At 42 seconds both feet are in contact perhaps it wasn't prior to the start of her wind up. The only other thing I can think of is that she did not sufficiently pause to take a sign or simulate taking a sign after making contact with the rubber. However to call this without a warning is kind of bullshit.
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At 1:23 the umpire has signaled illegal pitch before she has begun forward motion, so the call is not leaping. There is no clear view of it in the video, but it was an illegal pitch from other video footage I have seen. The illegal move was a slight step backward - on the first pitch she rocks backward on the back foot, but on the 2nd pitch she lifted the back foot slightly and stepped backward. Bad time of the game, but an easy call.
I don't see an illegal pitch on this play, but I do notice the timing of the call. He umpire is calling this illegal well before she is stepping forward, meaning this had to be something with the feet on the pitching plate. One of the comments below says it was for her lifting her foot off the pitchers plate. If that was the call it might (and I mean might) have been a correct call, but it certainly was not so obvious that it had to be called in that situation of the game. I wonder if this call was one of the reasons that the NCAA softball committee recommend a change to the illegal pitch penalty after the 2017 season. The penalty was changed to no longer advance the runners a base on an illegal pitch. The high school rules followed with this change this season.
@@edzachary8657 If you're going to correct people, it helps to be correct yourself. James didn't say "pitching plate." Also, you could refer to Rule 2.04 of the official baseball rules, or the similar sections of official softball rules, to further educate yourself on your mistake.
At 1:23 you can see he is already calling it illegal. Look for her back leg (which becomes her step out leg)--WAY off the rubber. Both feet need to be touching the rubber at the start of her motion forward. This looked like a walk-though pitch.
It was illegal because before you let go of the ball you need at least one foot on the mound she didn’t. before she let go the back foot was off that is why it’s illegal
I think the call was before all this happened. My gut tells me she didnt pause before starting her motion. Could also have possibly been hands together when stepping on the rubber. Think he would've called it even earlier for that though. The lack of a distinct pause is my bet. Cant see from the video regardless!
You guys are all clueless. The illegal pitch was signaled before she even longed. So it had nothing to do with leaping or crow-hoping. And the camera didn’t show anything Beforehand. So we couldn’t possibly know unless there’s another video/angle. It was ether she stepped back off the rubber, or her hand coming together incorrectly or touching something on her body. Something “before” the pitch...But we don’t know.
Her foot was quite clearly nowhere near the rubber when she released the ball, but I have no idea what the rules or norms are. I read another message that said both feet can't be off the ground at the same time. To me it looks like she has both feet off the ground at the same time as she is jumping off the rubber.
Her foot doesnt have to be on the rubber the entire time she pitches. As long as she has a foot down(watch as she drags her right foot) dragged or whatever, the only thing that counts is a pitcher MUST have a foot touching the ground until the second she releases the ball. So yeah she pitched just fine. Great pitch actually
There was nothing wrong with her pitch. She didn’t hop or do any movements before returning to the pitch. I’m so confused as to why that would happen as it was coincidence that there was bases loaded. I know that I’m enraged but her pitch was perfectly fine! It was a great pitch as well. But it was also announced incorrectly! And I do play softball so I’m aware of what I’m seeing. Oh, and please correct me if I’m wrong.
Hakapik no he called it before she even came forward. Watch the Oregon 3rd Basemen coach say something to the 3rd base umpire. He puts his arm out which means illegal pitch. Ridiculous call. Called her for not separating ball from glove.
Bad call....but even worse announcing .... "she pitched yesterday and was fine, but gets called today with bases loaded".....well lady, yesterday was yesterday and today is today, and how many runners on has nothing to do with it. How about show in replay how her foot was fine and the call is wrong. Geez
Not really, they weren't saying that she shouldn't have had an illegal pitch called because of not having one called before. She was throwing out her doubts of it being a good call by letting people know that she had pitched all day previously and not had any illegal pitch calls on her.
And again, the day before means nothing........there is not a competitive, high level pitcher, that has one thought of the day before, or the next day. It is each pitch, each inning, and each game at a time. What she did yesterday has ZERO to do with today, and has NO bearing on whether or not she pitches an illegal pitch. It's stupid commentary that could have easily been explained by just showing the replay, and explaining the rule. Again, "even worse announcing"
What it does is set a precedent that this pitcher doesn't do that and so the likelihood of it being an actual illegal pitch is very low. The stride that pitchers use is nearly exactly the same every single time they pitch.
Commentator mentions that it’s frustrating because no objections previously and with bases loaded. I say this: don’t go through your whole pitching career borderline balking and be upset when the umps call a 50/50. In other words, don’t give them a reason to call otherwise. Your borderline mechanics need fixing. Umps will undoubtedly be wrong from time to time when you walk that thin line.
I totally agree with you. My daughter plays showcase level ball and I see a lot of stuff being allowed that should not. The umps don’t call leaving the base early. Stepping out of the batters box. Crow hopping. If we have college coaches at these tournaments why are they allowed to toe the line with the rules?
Stats for the pitcher at the beginning of the video - *Devastating drop* ... - *Utilize her senior experience* ... - *Coming from the left side* WTF does any of this mean
If you knew how the game was played (which is markedly different from baseball) you would understand. For example a drop pitch in softball actually drops, it does not sink as a baseball fan understands a pitch that sinks. They also throw a rise ball that actually rises. A rising fastball in baseball does not rise, it merely sinks slower than the hitter is expecting. This is a proven scientific fact. This results from a softball pitcher throwing underhand, a natural motion. from flat ground versus a baseball pitcher throwing overhand (an unnatural motion) from a raised platform. Look it up.
@@garygemmell3488 thanks for taking the time to answer my comment , I was a little naive writing it years ago but appreciate the descriptive information . It makes sense more now to me and it's rare people on TH-cam give good feedback posts so thanks
perry macdonald a good make fastball hitter will light these women up once they get accustomed to the release point and angle the ball is moving. PC loves to take mlb players and pit them against a Jenny Finch because they know they won’t hit her in an impromptu meeting. They will never say let’s give the guys a couple of weeks to practice before we have the match up. Another thing you will never see is a MLB pitcher facing one of these softball players
Yeah softball players can pitch everyday if they want. I’ve pitched full tournaments before 😂 she could also have a lot of games where they only score 3/4 and end up losing but even more where they win and she only gives up 0/1. @2A forever I do agree that baseball guys can hit a softball pitcher if they have time to prepare, but you’d be surprised on the grounds of “light them up.” Softball is a much faster game and if you ever tried to hit off of someone like Yukiko Ueno, or Kelley Barnhill I don’t think it would be easy for either sex. They throw well, have movement, and can change speed just as well as any major league pitcher 🙄
Okay she crow hopped. Crow hopping is when the pitcher removes her pivot foot from the pitching mound and replanted it before delivering the ball. She did that here so therefore it was an illegal pitch😬
Rylin Graham then the umpire called it BEFORE the crow hop happened. Watch him in slow motion. He is moving his left shoulder to make the call before the pitcher planted her pivot foot.
I don't think this is why it was called but didn't there used to be a rule that the pivot foot couldn't leave the pitching rubber until after the pitch was delivered?
The pitcher did pick up her foot completely from the rubber. at 1:22 shows the foot coming off and at 1:24 the ump is raising his arm in a delayed dead ball signal. This was just as the pitcher started coming forward. Unless the rule has changed since I quick umping softball 10 years ago then that was what was called.
Its illegal because at the time both feet had to be on the rubber, her stride foot was off the rubber before the pitch making it illegal. If im correct they changed the rule on this not even a year later after this happened.
hands have to be separated when you step on the mound, if you watch the slow version you can see third base umpire call illegal before she ever pitches. this pretty much defines “ticky tack”.
On a side note is there no conditioning in college ball? Always a few heavy hitters on each team but I see a bit if thickness on that field. Maybe the base stealing and drag bunting days of high school are over at this level so speed and conditioning aren't as big of a focus. I know in highschool those girls are conditioning a lot besides fundamentals. Not bashing or trying to offend but I just see a trend of slightly thicker girls at the college level. I hope my post isn't seen as overly rude Im just wondering if any of the college players can give thoughts on day to day training in college vs highschool
I think it might just me the change of girls to women. All of them have curves in college because they've all gone through puberty compared to highschool teams where not everyone has yet.
@@seriliz00 when I followed it the game was more built on speed on the bases and in the field. Yes I can see the bats wake up at the upper level but still. I remember doing a lot of running in my ball days. Nothing like football but gaining weight would have been tough in season
I don't know where you see that... As far as I can see after looping the windup, delivery, and pitch itself 50+ times, the UMP behind the plate doesn't make any motion or sound whatsoever until; at the absolute earliest; right before the ball hits the catcher's mitt. Perhaps I'm missing something or seeing it wrong, but I don't see any motion, indication, or sound whatsoever until long after the ball has left the pitchers hand.
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Absolutely no explanation of what she did wrong. Fantastic video guys. Top shelf.
She threw an illegal pitch.
@@iHPL666 thanks for the description
@@danny.c.1326 anytime, my guy.
@@iHPL666 What did she do that was illegal
@@emma6422 she threw it without consent.
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I thought that by "illegal pitch" I was gonna see some pitch that was so nasty they had a rule against it. Nah she just stepped over a line or something lol.
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Her push off foot came off the mound before she snapped the ball (basically before she let go of the ball - I'm a pitcher btw)
@@swag2609 thank you for pointing that out. She’s getting a mechanical advantage.
@@swag2609 the umpire was signaling illegal pitch before she came through, she had to of stepped back, but we cant see the back of the mound
It's important to keep in mind that this took place in about 2016-17. At that point, in College softball, both feet needed to be in contact with the pitching rubber. After 2020, the rule, as you all know, was amended and called the start back, which now enables the pitchers to have their stride foot behind the rubber.
In this particular pitch, looking at the side view, her right stride foot is out of camera and is shown to be a good distance behind the rubber which her left push off foot is standing on.
From the angle, the 3rd base ump has a direct line of sight to that gap between her right foot and the rubber - thus he calls the moment she begins her movement.
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as we all know
@@shidditiddis as is apparent in the wealth of comments showing that many people...don't know.
@@Lilliputian63 yeah man, I was making a joke about that line. None of us know
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An illegal pitch in softball is when the stepping foot of the pitcher goes over the white line on the mound, and the argument here is the foot did not go over. The replay shows the foot didn't go over, yet the umpire made the call as otherwise
Kinda hard to say from this recording. That line is worn AND it look like she did step over. To me.
@@WWEFiesta02 Both feet must stay within the pitching lane. Her trail foot clearly left the lane.
@@donisenberg3032 He had already called it by then. To me it looks like he called this before she even took her stride. What am I missing?
The margin between the pitch being legal or illegal was very small. A very big call was made by the umpire with bases loaded. The pitcher probably performed the same action in her pitching delivery earlier in the game that wasn’t picked up. It’s the timing of the call that is the problem.
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OH heavens! Don't explain why it's illegal. NO, DON'T DO THAT!!!
no shit right?!
No, but my guess is her foot was off the rubber before she released the ball.
Why would they???? 99% of people that watch softball know the rules. Not to mention that they didn't broadcast this game knowing that this tiny excerpt would show up on TH-cam & be put totally out of context.
The pitchers foot can come off the rubber in womens softball however both feet can not be off the ground at the same time and the ball must be released with both feet in side the circle. It looked like a good pitch.
Yes, please do explain. I don't see how it could be.
Stepped off of the rubber. She did it previously but the umpire waited until the bases were loaded.
Most people don't like to step on a rubber
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Woah you apologized? That is so rare on the internet and I think you are pretty cool to do so :)
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Agent CodyBanx that ain’t a girl who runs a lot those are girls who squat a lot lol
Too bad they only like other softball girls...
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At least it was posted correctly. It was under Category: Comedy
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@@squareaddict9498 I couldn’t imagine seeing this under “Sports”
Yup, her back foot lost contact with the ground as she came off the rubber, allowing her to gain way too much ground on the batter. Correct call.
1:20 Just as she starts her motion, you can see the third base coach turn his head and say something to the umpire. Ump then immediately gives the sign. All of this happened well before she began her windup. I still have no idea what made the pitch "illegal", but it must have been right at the beginning of her motion.
Nothing looks illegal to me. She doesn't seem to be crowhopping and neither does she cross the line
It was illegal bc her hands came apart. Once the wind up starts the hands have to stay together. You can see them come apart slightly right before she gets into her “official delivery” and that’s when the 3rd base ump makes the singnal and then the coach. The coach may have said something to the ump to get him to see it, but that’s fine. Either way tho it’s the right call.
A crow hop is a replant and a second push occurs after the initial push from the rubber. Leaping, which the video shows, is losing contact with the ground with the push/drive foot as you drive from the rubber.
Both feet not in contact with the rubber when she starts her motion.
it was illegal because the one person who watches women's college softball was about to change the channel
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The video is not totally on her when the third base umpire calls the illegal pitch which is pre stride. From the motion it appears she moved her stride foot reward prior to delivery which is why it was called. Once set she can only pick it up and move forward. Right at 0:42 you can see by her body motion the right leg moving rear ward. Once the pitcher initially sets the toe of her stride foot, she cannot move it to increase the distance behind the pitcher’s plate.
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Looks like every friggin pitch I've ever seen in softball
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Based off the reaction of the commentators, the Oregon manager/coach paid off the umpire.
The pitcher's foot came off the rubber before she released the pitch, which allowed her to be closer to the batter than if she kept her foot on the rubber.
I don't think that's what he called. Umpire's arm is going up before she even starts her arm revolution.
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A longer and lankier arm would have the same exact advantage. Yet it would never be called.
It's barely crowhopping since it would be really hard to keep your foot on the ground entirely. I know a lot of professional pitchers do it
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Her drag foot never left the ground! It was a good pitch!
I agree. Nothing was illegal
But it did leave the rubber way before she released pitch
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BackyardBaseball idk bro, guess haters gonna hate.
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Gotta love how we try to teach kids sportsmanship, humanity, and teamwork. Then if you catch a lucky break by a bad call or cheating. Go quiet!
If you watch the replay of the pitch, he called the illegal pitch before she started her wind-up. So that probably means it had something to do with her getting on the mound or not taking a pause before she started her motion. It had nothing to do with her feet on the mound or her left foot being on the ground.
There is no mound in softball.
@@sirstephen9825 I think what he meant was the pitching rubber, I don't know that much about softball rules only baseball and reading what everyone is saying is only more confusing as to why it was called a illegal pitch because i'm hearing 3-4 different explanations of why it was called illegal.
Maybe if they add some more illegal mind blowing pitches I’ll watch
Maybe be incorrect but for those wondering what’s wrong I’m pretty sure it’s that she doesn’t start with both of her feet on the mound the second time. I know the camera angle is pretty bad but I think that’s the problem? I know my high school league had that rule, not sure if they’re the same
I think it was for the lack of notable pause before the delivery. The umpire signals the illegal pitch very early in her windup and it appears to me he might have thought she failed to pause before delivering the pitch.
Swanton Chris not possible. She was in the box, ump was crouched. That was based one her foot and it was a bad call.
Trent Wilson while it seems dumb, some umps call that. I’ve been called for it in very similar conditions
1:23 ...she rocks back on her heal...3rd base coach chirps at ump... hey, her foot left the rubber"... ump calls it incorrectly. She never lost contact with the rubber.
I’m assuming this is somehow like a balk in a sense where the pitcher is not allowed to do something and it moves runners up a bag
I'm a pitching coach, will someone please tell me what was illegal? She pushed off the plate with her left foot, never crow hopped, did not leave the width of the plate etc. What am I missing?
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The ump signaled before the pitch and while it was not clear on video I would guess she stepped back off the rubber with her non pivot foot making the pitch illegal
David Olson that exactly what happen. If you play the sport it can be very easy to use o identify but she still didn't makeing it an illegal pitch and advanceing the base runners
what the hell does easy to use o identify mean
2A Forever I'd like to know what it means too lmao hopefully they answer back someday
assgoblin86 all I can think of is they are talking about an illegal substance on the ball. Maybe he didn’t type the r in the word or.
2A Forever what like cocaine? Why would they put drugs on balls?
I'm so glad they explained what was illegal
if you pause on the correct couple of frames around :42 you can see her foot does come off of the plate early
I'm a brother of a softball catcher n I'm pretty damn sure that's not illegal at all, but yet I could be wrong. Maybe the ump was home cooking
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Dr. Fuck I'm here for the hilarious comments, didn't even watch the full vid which is only 1:41 hahaha
It's *that* side of youtube.
You're here so I could read what you wrote and respond thus.
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Someone please explain what the call was? What was illegal about the pitch?
mark12kentucky It wasn't the right call but they said her left foot came off the pitching plate as she leaned back.
illegal because it is the only way a PAC 12 team can score.
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I'm keep it real with you chief.... I'd actually watch this sport some of those girls are thick.
Just Another Guy i can’t tell if you were looking for a fight, but nah, that’s just a fact
I agree with you, except I think nearly all of those girls are thick. Shame they wear so much clothing. I'll stick with beach volleyball.
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I cannot believe she threw it overhand.
This happens all the time. A pitcher will go all season without throwing an illegal pitch, then a single umpire decides that every other umpire was wrong.
It is possible to go all season and throw just one illegal pitch
Sometimes coachs will not call illegal moves till playoff time when it is critical, and players do not have time to correct (the habit) it. It can win games for you. Basketball players carrying the ball while dribbling during the regular season then being called for it at tournament time is an example.
The pitcher's left foot shifted while it was on the rubber. The umpire declared the pitcher had lifted and moved her foot.
Pretty sure both feet have to be on the rubber when the pitch starts. Her right foot was clearly behind and not in contact with the rubber.
@@tds8840 Only one foot (your drive leg) has to be on the rubber at the start of your delivery.
wtf...nobody says anything about the pitch..what made it illegal?
The batter was a Niece of the Official making the call.
"CROW HOPPING" - both feet may not be off the ground at the same time during pitching motion, back foot must drag on ground
What crow hop, I didn't see any
Both feet coming off the ground , at the same time, would be a leap, not a crow hop . A crow hop , or replant is when the pitcher replants her forward foot, and pushes off from somewhere, other than the pitcher's plate . A crow hop and a leap ARE NOT THE SAME THING .
Nonsense call...her dive foot lands at different angles, inside the circle, so she isn't "aiming," the pitch, rather, she changes the location based on where her dive foot plants.
Someone else pointed it out, but it's probably something with her back foot since the third base umpire called it before the pitch. Conveniently for this video, her back foot is cut off on the replay... gonna bet she wasn't in contact with the rubber.
That's not crow hopping, by the way, since her back foot was on the ground the whole way. You want crow-hopping, check out modern men's fastball. As long as they stay in the circle, it's all legal.
At 42 seconds both feet are in contact perhaps it wasn't prior to the start of her wind up. The only other thing I can think of is that she did not sufficiently pause to take a sign or simulate taking a sign after making contact with the rubber. However to call this without a warning is kind of bullshit.
@@Stryyder1 at 1:23 you can clearly see her right foot is well behind the rubber if get left foot is on it...
Why the fuck is this in my recommended section?
😂😂😂 I was thinking the same thing. I'm just here for the comments. 😂
MEAGAN. It was your lipstick on the glass!
I will never get this minute and a half back.
Cuz your not a baseball fan
I don't understand why the fans from the other team cheers when the pitcher messes up. It's not like anyone from their team did anything good.
Hi my name's Catrina do you know about softball?
@@kaitlynganzel obviously not, which is why I don't understand their logic
Hi my name's Catrina 😂 they're happy because 4 balls = a free base
@@kaitlynganzel I guess that makes sense
This popped up in my thread for some reason. I'm balking at giving a reason why.
I sacrificed 1:41 minutes, thought I'd see some pinching or squeezing, no such luck 👻
What an underhanded observation
@@maskedmotorsdiy3575 ....LITERALLY.......hahahahhahahah
Let me lead off with this, I'll take one more swing at it 🤣 right off the bat i was thrown for a curve, it's a no win situation. You didn't knock it out of the park with this video, in fact you struck out but you did cover all the bases 🙊
At 1:23 the umpire has signaled illegal pitch before she has begun forward motion, so the call is not leaping. There is no clear view of it in the video, but it was an illegal pitch from other video footage I have seen. The illegal move was a slight step backward - on the first pitch she rocks backward on the back foot, but on the 2nd pitch she lifted the back foot slightly and stepped backward. Bad time of the game, but an easy call.
What makes it an illegal pitch? Could we have a tutorial?
so did she get arrested?
Yes :'(
Yeah 16 year sentence. Its a shame. Such a bright future
Johnny Waffles wym
I don't see an illegal pitch on this play, but I do notice the timing of the call. He umpire is calling this illegal well before she is stepping forward, meaning this had to be something with the feet on the pitching plate. One of the comments below says it was for her lifting her foot off the pitchers plate. If that was the call it might (and I mean might) have been a correct call, but it certainly was not so obvious that it had to be called in that situation of the game.
I wonder if this call was one of the reasons that the NCAA softball committee recommend a change to the illegal pitch penalty after the 2017 season. The penalty was changed to no longer advance the runners a base on an illegal pitch. The high school rules followed with this change this season.
It's called a rubber not a pitching plate
@@edzachary8657 If you're going to correct people, it helps to be correct yourself. James didn't say "pitching plate." Also, you could refer to Rule 2.04 of the official baseball rules, or the similar sections of official softball rules, to further educate yourself on your mistake.
At 1:23 you can see he is already calling it illegal. Look for her back leg (which becomes her step out leg)--WAY off the rubber. Both feet need to be touching the rubber at the start of her motion forward. This looked like a walk-though pitch.
I thought you only needed one foot on the rubber before you windup or pitch from the stretch.
It’s Oregon! Their teams always play with extras in stripes on the field.
She throws it over hand 1:20
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"Baby got back"
Did not
I've been playing men's fastpitch for almost 26 years and I like even more every year
Why not play baseball?
Do not understand
Commentators did not even try to explain why the pitch could be illegal.
Danielle Lawrie is a pitcher too so you’d think she would have some input other than “looks pretty good to me”.
She never stepped over the line.
Was it illegal because she threw it underhand? I'm not sure what I saw
It was illegal because before you let go of the ball you need at least one foot on the mound she didn’t. before she let go the back foot was off that is why it’s illegal
Hey it's Mak Mak
Here front foot was on the ground though when she let go of the ball
Hey it's Mak Mak you are completely wrong. Look at at the other pitches
I think the call was before all this happened. My gut tells me she didnt pause before starting her motion. Could also have possibly been hands together when stepping on the rubber. Think he would've called it even earlier for that though. The lack of a distinct pause is my bet. Cant see from the video regardless!
This is the most confused I’ve ever been with somthing that has to do with pitching for softball! Someone plz explain and what lines?
Did her back foot stop dragging before she realeased?
They discovered she posted something conversative on Facebook.
This call was stupid. I don’t see how this was an illegal pitch. Her left foot was just fine
sophia dell
it was like three inches from the ground lol
Not really. Her toes were up, but her heel was still in contact with the pitching plate. Not an IP.
Coach got in his head.
Doesn't matter what you think.
You guys are all clueless. The illegal pitch was signaled before she even longed. So it had nothing to do with leaping or crow-hoping.
And the camera didn’t show anything Beforehand. So we couldn’t possibly know unless there’s another video/angle.
It was ether she stepped back off the rubber, or her hand coming together incorrectly or touching something on her body. Something “before” the pitch...But we don’t know.
Supposedly her foot was not on the Rubber as she was pitching.
Her foot was quite clearly nowhere near the rubber when she released the ball, but I have no idea what the rules or norms are.
I read another message that said both feet can't be off the ground at the same time. To me it looks like she has both feet off the ground at the same time as she is jumping off the rubber.
Her foot doesnt have to be on the rubber the entire time she pitches. As long as she has a foot down(watch as she drags her right foot) dragged or whatever, the only thing that counts is a pitcher MUST have a foot touching the ground until the second she releases the ball. So yeah she pitched just fine. Great pitch actually
There was nothing wrong with her pitch. She didn’t hop or do any movements before returning to the pitch. I’m so confused as to why that would happen as it was coincidence that there was bases loaded. I know that I’m enraged but her pitch was perfectly fine! It was a great pitch as well. But it was also announced incorrectly! And I do play softball so I’m aware of what I’m seeing. Oh, and please correct me if I’m wrong.
And...... Why was it illegal? Hello? Hello? Where ya go?
Yup, illegal pitch. She side armed it. That last flick of her forearm that comes across her torso. Busted.
Hakapik no he called it before she even came forward. Watch the Oregon 3rd Basemen coach say something to the 3rd base umpire. He puts his arm out which means illegal pitch. Ridiculous call. Called her for not separating ball from glove.
Bad call....but even worse announcing .... "she pitched yesterday and was fine, but gets called today with bases loaded".....well lady, yesterday was yesterday and today is today, and how many runners on has nothing to do with it. How about show in replay how her foot was fine and the call is wrong. Geez
They did show it though...so your point is???
Well, the replay team showed the replay..........But I think I stated "but even worse announcing".......so I think I made my point
Not really, they weren't saying that she shouldn't have had an illegal pitch called because of not having one called before. She was throwing out her doubts of it being a good call by letting people know that she had pitched all day previously and not had any illegal pitch calls on her.
And again, the day before means nothing........there is not a competitive, high level pitcher, that has one thought of the day before, or the next day. It is each pitch, each inning, and each game at a time. What she did yesterday has ZERO to do with today, and has NO bearing on whether or not she pitches an illegal pitch. It's stupid commentary that could have easily been explained by just showing the replay, and explaining the rule. Again, "even worse announcing"
What it does is set a precedent that this pitcher doesn't do that and so the likelihood of it being an actual illegal pitch is very low. The stride that pitchers use is nearly exactly the same every single time they pitch.
The reply shows he wasn't even looking at the pitcher.
Where is it at?
Commentator mentions that it’s frustrating because no objections previously and with bases loaded. I say this: don’t go through your whole pitching career borderline balking and be upset when the umps call a 50/50. In other words, don’t give them a reason to call otherwise. Your borderline mechanics need fixing. Umps will undoubtedly be wrong from time to time when you walk that thin line.
I totally agree with you. My daughter plays showcase level ball and I see a lot of stuff being allowed that should not. The umps don’t call leaving the base early. Stepping out of the batters box. Crow hopping. If we have college coaches at these tournaments why are they allowed to toe the line with the rules?
Uhhhhhhh you forgot to say what she did! Smfh
I wonder how fast pitch gets away with the pitchers foot two feet off the mound when she releases the ball. They all do it. Crow hop
Robert Hendrickson that is not a crow hop. When you crow hop you, literally, jump of the mound
You don’t have to have contact with the rubber at all time
Robert Hendrickson theres an mlb pitcher who literally jumps "capp"
Crow hop my ass dude. Nothing wrong at all with her pitch
Robert Hendrickson that’s not a crow hop. That’s a long stride. A crow hop is literally when you hop off the mound. They just have a long stride
Don't tell that women's college softball is fixed too!
So what did that ump see that I'm missing? 🤷♂️🤦🏻♂️ horrible call, he should be fired or re train....
Fusstraiting
2Cases 78 soooo close bro. “Fusstrating”
Stats for the pitcher at the beginning of the video
- *Devastating drop* ...
- *Utilize her senior experience* ...
- *Coming from the left side* WTF does any of this mean
She's lefthanded.
If you knew how the game was played (which is markedly different from baseball) you would understand. For example a drop pitch in softball actually drops, it does not sink as a baseball fan understands a pitch that sinks. They also throw a rise ball that actually rises. A rising fastball in baseball does not rise, it merely sinks slower than the hitter is expecting. This is a proven scientific fact. This results from a softball pitcher throwing underhand, a natural motion. from flat ground versus a baseball pitcher throwing overhand (an unnatural motion) from a raised platform. Look it up.
@@garygemmell3488 thanks for taking the time to answer my comment , I was a little naive writing it years ago but appreciate the descriptive information . It makes sense more now to me and it's rare people on TH-cam give good feedback posts so thanks
I have no idea what happened, can someone explain?
Went beyond the pitchers box
how do you have 8 losses with a 1.88 era? must be a softball thing, they do use the same pitcher a lot i guess.
because there are lots of errors
Triforce Of Courage we’ll it is basically just a bunch of fat bottomed women playing the game.
perry macdonald a good make fastball hitter will light these women up once they get accustomed to the release point and angle the ball is moving. PC loves to take mlb players and pit them against a Jenny Finch because they know they won’t hit her in an impromptu meeting. They will never say let’s give the guys a couple of weeks to practice before we have the match up. Another thing you will never see is a MLB pitcher facing one of these softball players
Yeah softball players can pitch everyday if they want. I’ve pitched full tournaments before 😂 she could also have a lot of games where they only score 3/4 and end up losing but even more where they win and she only gives up 0/1.
@2A forever
I do agree that baseball guys can hit a softball pitcher if they have time to prepare, but you’d be surprised on the grounds of “light them up.” Softball is a much faster game and if you ever tried to hit off of someone like Yukiko Ueno, or Kelley Barnhill I don’t think it would be easy for either sex. They throw well, have movement, and can change speed just as well as any major league pitcher 🙄
Just ask Bob Gibson. He went 22-9 in 1968 with a 1.12 ERA. That means all the games he lost were by a score of 1-0.
Alright everybody to the showers. Group showers lets go hussel
Okay she crow hopped. Crow hopping is when the pitcher removes her pivot foot from the pitching mound and replanted it before delivering the ball. She did that here so therefore it was an illegal pitch😬
Rylin Graham then the umpire called it BEFORE the crow hop happened. Watch him in slow motion. He is moving his left shoulder to make the call before the pitcher planted her pivot foot.
I don't think this is why it was called but didn't there used to be a rule that the pivot foot couldn't leave the pitching rubber until after the pitch was delivered?
The pitcher did pick up her foot completely from the rubber. at 1:22 shows the foot coming off and at 1:24 the ump is raising his arm in a delayed dead ball signal. This was just as the pitcher started coming forward. Unless the rule has changed since I quick umping softball 10 years ago then that was what was called.
Maybe try explaining why the pitch was illegal.
“I think I’m being pretty clear. Could and average sized row boat support her without capsizing?”
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Its illegal because at the time both feet had to be on the rubber, her stride foot was off the rubber before the pitch making it illegal. If im correct they changed the rule on this not even a year later after this happened.
Where was the IP? Just asking.
hands have to be separated when you step on the mound, if you watch the slow version you can see third base umpire call illegal before she ever pitches. this pretty much defines “ticky tack”.
She wasn't anywhere near the rubber when she let it go she was three to four feet in front of the rubber
paying close attention can help, he makes the call of illegal pitch BEFORE dhe winds up.
@@edzachary8657 Her back foot wasn't on the rubber when she started her windup.
Umpire has a gambling debt or a family member plays for the other team.
On a side note is there no conditioning in college ball? Always a few heavy hitters on each team but I see a bit if thickness on that field. Maybe the base stealing and drag bunting days of high school are over at this level so speed and conditioning aren't as big of a focus. I know in highschool those girls are conditioning a lot besides fundamentals. Not bashing or trying to offend but I just see a trend of slightly thicker girls at the college level. I hope my post isn't seen as overly rude Im just wondering if any of the college players can give thoughts on day to day training in college vs highschool
I think it might just me the change of girls to women. All of them have curves in college because they've all gone through puberty compared to highschool teams where not everyone has yet.
@@seriliz00 Sadly, it's a sign of the times. Over the last 20 years or so, everybody looks like big, husky corner outfielders.
@@seriliz00 when I followed it the game was more built on speed on the bases and in the field. Yes I can see the bats wake up at the upper level but still. I remember doing a lot of running in my ball days. Nothing like football but gaining weight would have been tough in season
When umpires have an alma mater
Her sandwich delivery looks awesome!
If it's an illegal pitch and gets called late in the game it's still illegal.Inning doesn't matter you have to call it.
she’s referring to consistency, genius.
however your point is still valid just irrelevant to what she was alluding to.
Why wasn't it illegal the 75+ times she did it the day before. Why did it only become illegal when the bases were loaded, late in the game
It's illegal because she doesn't release the ball until after her back foot has already pushed off from the rubber of the pitchers mound.
I would agree except the umpire appears to be making the call BEFORE she reaches that point in her delivery.....
I don't know where you see that... As far as I can see after looping the windup, delivery, and pitch itself 50+ times, the UMP behind the plate doesn't make any motion or sound whatsoever until; at the absolute earliest; right before the ball hits the catcher's mitt. Perhaps I'm missing something or seeing it wrong, but I don't see any motion, indication, or sound whatsoever until long after the ball has left the pitchers hand.
@@craigholman9486 I was referring to the 3rd base ump...
She didn't step out of that circle, so what was the illegal part about that pitch?