@@yuricavalcantecoelho8042at least these world champions wouldn't crash into you on purpose like Ocon always does to his team mates. I mean, Verstappen would, but Ocon would never get even close to him. Ocon has a terrible record with team mates.
Everyone I mentioned has a horrible history with teammates. Vettel x Webber, Alonso x Massa, Alonso x Hamilton Hamilton vs Rosberg Verstappen x Ricciardo So because Ocon only raced in bad cars he has to be a good teammate? It is no coincidence that Alonso left Alpine and Mclaren in 2008 precisely because he was unable to dominate the team as he always did.
@@yuricavalcantecoelho8042 Vettel x Webber, Alonso x Massa, Alonso x Hamilton, Hamilton x Rosberg they all fight for WDC not for 10th place thats a big diference. Verstappen x Ricciardo fight for podiums sometimes wins still big difference if you fight for 10th place. And yes if you are fighting for lower places you have to be good teammate. Like multiple times happen with Ocon he fought with teammate too hard and they lost a lot of points bcs of his aggressive style. Compare it to this year Haas for example. Playing team game and thats why they end up in 6th place. Yes youre right your teammate is your first opponent but if you collide with your teammate and instead of both scoring points you DNF its much worse than to loose to him. You clearly can see that 90% of drivers dont like him.
The interview shows you that Alonso couldn't give less of a toss about Ocon at this point, it's Ocon who inexplicably hates Alonso more and more as time goes on. So much for being grateful to the guy who gave you what will most likely be your only race win.
I mean sure you can say that he ran out of talent, but can you really run out of something didn’t have in the in the first place? Would be like me claiming, I ran out of water, when I didn’t bring any with me.
@@Tabisch He is quick, no doubts about it. He proved it whilst being Alonso's 'teammate'. But his attitude is appalling. Ungrateful, egoistic, always blaming others. I would never hire him if I were a team principal.
Ocon couldn't have been more delusional about the situation. The contact was definitely solely a result of his car control loss rather than Alonso's presence nor the marginal leftward moment as the space extent on the normal driving line was still more than enough for Ocon to pass issue-freely at full throttle. If that space amount is insufficient to pass issue-freely, I don't know how much he truly needs.
Yeah I mean he is supposed to be one of the 20 best drivers in the world. I mean Fernando gave him more space than he would have on a free lap on monaco, so idk what he wants
.... I mean I don't think that's how it works. I don't get why F1 fans want to always blame one party, when both were at fault. Yes, Ocon could've had a perfect apex to that corner where he didn't have to correct oversteer, but you have to understand he is pushing the car as hard as he possibly can and operating on the edge of grip. Alonso got a bit greedy, not wanting to pick up any marbles/dust from the outside of the track, so he parked his car in the middle of a medium-speed corner when he could've left more space. Both were at fault for different reasons. Fernando is on an out-lap. It's not even timed, therefore there really is no reason to use that much of the track when other people are on flying laps, in my opinion, it's dangerous. The onus for safety is moreso on the driver who isn't pushing, which is Alonso in this case, because it's much easier for them to get out of the way than someone who is on a push lap. People side with him because they simply don't like Ocon's attitude and Alonso is a legend, and that's clear as day. If that was Stroll in the AM here, suddenly everyone's opinion would flip.
@@EliotM It's more down to being able to take responsibility when you fuck up. okay drivers say they're always good, great drivers say they've got bad days.
it‘s always impressive how ocon has the audacity to blame other people in situations that are this clear. bro, we have eyes and the footage is publicly available…
@@fe247 well at least say that it was no-ones fault or shit like that. Don't blame the innocent party. There are drivers who have even an ounce of decency
Important to note - piastri and Ocons situations were pretty similar so therefore I’d like to compare the two - first thing I’d like to point out is that Piastri had the snap oversteer due to the Kurb - and released throttle ever so slightly maybe to 70%. If you look at the telemetry, Ocon stayed in and dare I say if he also let off a little, he wouldn’t have gone wide into Alonso. Now, if Alonso was not there would Ocon have saved the car? Probably. But you play with the cards you get dealt unfortunately.
Such a biased take. Who's responsibility is it to get out of the way and be safe in qualifying? The driver who's operating on the edge of grip in the middle of a flying lap? or the driver on an out lap who is just warming up his tires and getting up to speed? Being that close to the apex of a corner when people are on push laps behind you is just asking for a collision. Ya'll are just biased against Ocon because of his attitude. Put Stroll in the AM there and play out the exact same event, suddenly everyone changes their opinion, I'd put my life savings on it.
Alonso left 1.5 - 2 car width for Occon, but Occon lack of talent make him going off the line and hit Alonso. Put anybody out there they will still condemn
These people have been brainwashed that owning a mistake is showing a weakness. And now we have these kind of people who refuse to be responsible for their actions and only say sorry because other people been offended by their actions.
Im not an ocon fan, but i think the reason piastri managed to control it was because he was running a higher downforce setup, thus his car grabbed faster, unlike ocon Though ocons skill issue definitely helped
The video false assuming, that the racing line is close to the kerb. In reality, the exit of T2 is key and no matter how wide you go off that inside kerb, because the next corner is usually easy flat. Its hard to say whether Ocon would make the corner if Alonso wasnt there, but i think theres a chance he would.
Good to see you're still an Ocon hater after all this time. How about a video on his 2nd place, perfect strategy calls and mistake-less drive this past weekend?
I think the reason Alonso was turning a bit to the left is because Hamilton was behind Ocon (you can hear his engineer letting him know at around 0:38) and the racing line goes to the right, the idea was to let Ocon pass while the racing line is on the left and then be on the left side when Hamilton goes through and the ideal racing line is on the right, it would have worked if Ocon didn't lose control of his car
He's not completely wrong. If Alonso was at the far right, he wouldn't have hit him, but if it was Piastri, even with his wiggle, wouldn't have hit Alonso. You share the track, can't always blame someone else. That's how you get people to hate you.
You can see that the snap of Oscar’s is much less compared to Ocon’s. Just use the tire marks on the track as a guide. Oscar doesn’t go through the mark while Ocon does
I don't get why F1 fans want to always blame one party, when both were at fault. Yes, Ocon could've had a perfect apex to that corner where he didn't have to correct oversteer, but you have to understand he is pushing the car as hard as he possibly can and operating on the edge of grip. Alonso got a bit greedy, not wanting to pick up any marbles/dust from the outside of the track, so he parked his car in the middle of a medium-speed corner when he could've left more space. Both were at fault for different reasons. Fernando is on an out-lap. It's not even timed, therefore there really is no reason to use that much of the track when other people are on flying laps, in my opinion, it's dangerous. The onus for safety is moreso on the driver who isn't pushing, which is Alonso in this case, because it's much easier for them to get out of the way than someone who is on a push lap. People side with him because they simply don't like Ocon's attitude and Alonso is a legend, and that's clear as day. If that was Stroll in the AM here, suddenly everyone's opinion would flip.
It seems to me that Ocon's inputs were exaggerated, likely due to panicking somewhat when he started losing grip knowing that there was a car there. At one point he turns his front wheels straight towards Alonso. I am fine with calling this a racing incident, but he clearly didn't control his car very well and should have been able to recover in this particular instance without incident. To say that he didn't lose the car is just absurd, he clearly did. Edit: "If Fernando is not there, we don't collide." This is next-level driving IQ right here.
I guess Alonso tried to be nice by saying no one was at fault... 💀Ocon literally made a mistake, lost the car and crashed into Fernando lol. Very similar to Albon crashing into Bearman just a week ago
If it makes people feel better, chances are Ocon’s attitude is the reason he’s in a Haas next season instead of a Mercedes. Despite being a Mercedes junior…
Alonso's only mistake was assuming ocon could keep it together through the corner
😂😂💀💀
The first and the last time Alonso trusted in Ocon's skills
ngl I let out a loud laugh; nostrils wide open and everything
Alonso's only mistake was assuming ocon could keep it together through his entire career, let alone the corner
In the words of George Russell
“He just fully turned into me”
Osama Bin Russel
@@griffin1366 who hamases it into the wall
Latte drinking Femboy of the Year 2023
also max whenever he raced vettel.
Ocon bin Russel is something no one needs
It's sounds like Ocon expected to have the track to himself.
U shouldn't driv3 close.to optimal line. Plenty of space on the right. That's just stupid
Yeah it tends to happen in Brazil, just like in 2018 lmao
@@marrcus Nope. Ocon didn’t have control of his car. Alonso plenty of space.
That's the most in character thing for Ocon. Bit of a sore loser.
@@marrcus what do you mean dude ? there might be plenty of space on the right but there is a big space on the left
Thoughts and prayers in advance to Oliver Bearman
Esteban is a trip
How the fuck is he saying that the snap had little to do with it. It literally caused the entire thing
Actually, the snap wasnt the reason, it was just ocon, but he was too afraid to say it, comon, have some empathy😂😂😂😂
I forgot that Ocon backed down and STILL blamed Fernando even afterwards
Poor Bearman will have Ocon as teammates on his debut 😅
As if Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton, Max were good teammates.
Your teammate is always your first opponent.
@@yuricavalcantecoelho8042at least these world champions wouldn't crash into you on purpose like Ocon always does to his team mates. I mean, Verstappen would, but Ocon would never get even close to him. Ocon has a terrible record with team mates.
Everyone I mentioned has a horrible history with teammates.
Vettel x Webber, Alonso x Massa, Alonso x Hamilton
Hamilton vs Rosberg
Verstappen x Ricciardo
So because Ocon only raced in bad cars he has to be a good teammate?
It is no coincidence that Alonso left Alpine and Mclaren in 2008 precisely because he was unable to dominate the team as he always did.
@@jeanscuissiato135 Every one of them would definitely crash with their teammate if WDC is at stake 😂 Spain 2016 for example
@@yuricavalcantecoelho8042 Vettel x Webber, Alonso x Massa, Alonso x Hamilton, Hamilton x Rosberg they all fight for WDC not for 10th place thats a big diference. Verstappen x Ricciardo fight for podiums sometimes wins still big difference if you fight for 10th place. And yes if you are fighting for lower places you have to be good teammate. Like multiple times happen with Ocon he fought with teammate too hard and they lost a lot of points bcs of his aggressive style. Compare it to this year Haas for example. Playing team game and thats why they end up in 6th place. Yes youre right your teammate is your first opponent but if you collide with your teammate and instead of both scoring points you DNF its much worse than to loose to him. You clearly can see that 90% of drivers dont like him.
Rocketpoweredmohawk: "This is why people hate you"
W1nd0w l1ck3r moment from Ocon
RPM wise words: YOU F**KING SPAZT*C
esteban ocon, who is french...
In France we call him Esteban Groscon as in 'Gros Con" which means Big Jerk.
Noted, thanks.
Oh I thought it was a Gosjean reference
@@Squishy3088 It might as well be, Gros Jean means Big Wanker.
Even the French F1 fans hate Ocon? Man, he must be one of the most hated drivers ever!
😂😂😂😂 lol this is brilliant
The hatred between the two is of a different caliber
The hatred between Ocon and every single one of his teammates is of a different caliber, I submit.
None of Ocon's teammates seem to like him.
You're right. Alonso's rivals before fought for title. Ocon fight like he is entitled.
The interview shows you that Alonso couldn't give less of a toss about Ocon at this point, it's Ocon who inexplicably hates Alonso more and more as time goes on. So much for being grateful to the guy who gave you what will most likely be your only race win.
@@lukewood2662i don’t remember him having a beef with danny ricc tho
Ocon's fault. Again. Ran our of talent.
The BS he spewed afterwards...he didn't lose the car...goodness me.
🤦
I mean sure you can say that he ran out of talent, but can you really run out of something didn’t have in the in the first place?
Would be like me claiming, I ran out of water, when I didn’t bring any with me.
@@Tabisch He is quick, no doubts about it. He proved it whilst being Alonso's 'teammate'. But his attitude is appalling. Ungrateful, egoistic, always blaming others. I would never hire him if I were a team principal.
@@prchise and that season where he beat Alonso was when Alonso’s Alpine had to take 5 retirements lol
Ocon couldn't have been more delusional about the situation.
The contact was definitely solely a result of his car control loss rather than Alonso's presence nor the marginal leftward moment as the space extent on the normal driving line was still more than enough for Ocon to pass issue-freely at full throttle.
If that space amount is insufficient to pass issue-freely, I don't know how much he truly needs.
Yeah I mean he is supposed to be one of the 20 best drivers in the world. I mean Fernando gave him more space than he would have on a free lap on monaco, so idk what he wants
Where is this magical line
@@marrcus Right beside the curbing, i.e., the inside line, which is what everyone normally uses.
.... I mean I don't think that's how it works. I don't get why F1 fans want to always blame one party, when both were at fault. Yes, Ocon could've had a perfect apex to that corner where he didn't have to correct oversteer, but you have to understand he is pushing the car as hard as he possibly can and operating on the edge of grip. Alonso got a bit greedy, not wanting to pick up any marbles/dust from the outside of the track, so he parked his car in the middle of a medium-speed corner when he could've left more space. Both were at fault for different reasons.
Fernando is on an out-lap. It's not even timed, therefore there really is no reason to use that much of the track when other people are on flying laps, in my opinion, it's dangerous. The onus for safety is moreso on the driver who isn't pushing, which is Alonso in this case, because it's much easier for them to get out of the way than someone who is on a push lap. People side with him because they simply don't like Ocon's attitude and Alonso is a legend, and that's clear as day. If that was Stroll in the AM here, suddenly everyone's opinion would flip.
@@Agdem_ I see your point or way of looking at the matter as well.
>lose the car
>crash into the car almost off the track
>blame the driver you hit
>refuse to elaborate
Ocon thought Fernando must disappear into thin air every time he lost the car
Ocon is such a delusional driver sometimes. Idk why he still has a spot. He always reacts like that, never searching the reason by himself
he's French that explains it all
So because he is delusional he should not be in F1, despite being a very good driver ? Ok, got it
@@EliotM "despite being a very good driver". Maybe you should get that Ocon's dick out of your mouth before you start forming an opinion.
@@EliotM hes pretty shit at driving
@@EliotM It's more down to being able to take responsibility when you fuck up.
okay drivers say they're always good, great drivers say they've got bad days.
hahaha how dare you steer to the left when the track goes left lol. I completely forgot about this.
it‘s always impressive how ocon has the audacity to blame other people in situations that are this clear. bro, we have eyes and the footage is publicly available…
Almost the exact copy of the albon bearman crash and in both cases the guilty party took none of the responsibility after losing the car
My thoughts exactly
Have you heard of the specimen called racing drivers? Rarely taking blame, its part of their charm buddy, highly competitive, not highly honoured lmao
@@fe247 well at least say that it was no-ones fault or shit like that. Don't blame the innocent party. There are drivers who have even an ounce of decency
Both drivers agreed later on that bearman's position was reasonable, it was a heat in the moment with Albon, ocon was just being ocon
And that is the thanks you get for helping someone win what will likely be his only F1 victory.
Alonso : diplomatic in his response
Ocon: confirming again why so many fans think he’s a tit
2:40 i like how you pan left and right voices of 2 engine from Mercedes and Renault engines
The best telemetry/analysis channel in TH-cam. Thanks a lot for the quality content once again.
Important to note - piastri and Ocons situations were pretty similar so therefore I’d like to compare the two - first thing I’d like to point out is that Piastri had the snap oversteer due to the Kurb - and released throttle ever so slightly maybe to 70%. If you look at the telemetry, Ocon stayed in and dare I say if he also let off a little, he wouldn’t have gone wide into Alonso.
Now, if Alonso was not there would Ocon have saved the car? Probably. But you play with the cards you get dealt unfortunately.
i think ocon had very little control of his car so he would have spun still
Just own up Ocon. You messed up 💀💀
ocon still commited terrorism to fernando even though they're not teammates anymore
Albon did the same thing to Bearman, but at least he didn't hold a grudge like Ocon did
Ocon has all the intelligence of a baguette.
Why is it so hard to be a man and take responsibility for your mistakes?
Totally speculating, but maybe there are some contractual issues. Fines for causing collisions or something like that. Or complete delusion 😅
All Millenials have been trained this way
Such a biased take. Who's responsibility is it to get out of the way and be safe in qualifying? The driver who's operating on the edge of grip in the middle of a flying lap? or the driver on an out lap who is just warming up his tires and getting up to speed? Being that close to the apex of a corner when people are on push laps behind you is just asking for a collision. Ya'll are just biased against Ocon because of his attitude. Put Stroll in the AM there and play out the exact same event, suddenly everyone changes their opinion, I'd put my life savings on it.
Alonso left 1.5 - 2 car width for Occon, but Occon lack of talent make him going off the line and hit Alonso. Put anybody out there they will still condemn
@@lukas_jay243 Ocon is a Gen Z, brainiac.
Ocon has to be the most immature driver in F1. I really hope he doesn't screw over Bearman like he has all his other teammates.
Ocon: - Hold my beer!
Dont forget Mr. He just turned on me Russel
What Ocon did at the curb can happen to anybody, very easily. This is not a drive to the grocery store.
He drifted like a freakin piece of butter on a hot pan into Alonso, and somehow it's Alonso's fault. Classic Ocon, i would say 🤷♂️
Drive through for Ocon for not admitting his mistake
Alonsos last minute turn to the left also was a factor to the crash
Your videos are ameazing to watch!
10 sec penalty for Ocon
So funny, you must be 12 years old max
@@Cevapcici901 You must be french because it is funny
Ocon loves that corner.
in the fan footage you can litteraly see ocon loses control of the car. and the man still blames alonso💀
Ocon is such a National shame, he has talent but like a lot of people nowadays (Russel cough cough) he can't take any blame it's always others.
These people have been brainwashed that owning a mistake is showing a weakness. And now we have these kind of people who refuse to be responsible for their actions and only say sorry because other people been offended by their actions.
Im not an ocon fan, but i think the reason piastri managed to control it was because he was running a higher downforce setup, thus his car grabbed faster, unlike ocon
Though ocons skill issue definitely helped
Leave biased aside and let's talk about how Alonso got away without a penalty for parking the car at a corner
The video false assuming, that the racing line is close to the kerb. In reality, the exit of T2 is key and no matter how wide you go off that inside kerb, because the next corner is usually easy flat. Its hard to say whether Ocon would make the corner if Alonso wasnt there, but i think theres a chance he would.
What an absolutely olympic muppet
The fans were LOVING it with those "OOHHhh
yeah Esteboom´s favorit Corner... wonder who he can destroy this Weekend
lmao. lets see
Good to see you're still an Ocon hater after all this time. How about a video on his 2nd place, perfect strategy calls and mistake-less drive this past weekend?
Ocon kills me man, he's just so unserious 😂😂😂
Albon and Bearman's crash in Mexico took place under the same circumstances as this incident.
when the track engineer tells you that Ocon is behind, you can safely block his path, it's a very fair new rule
ALONSO ALWAYS LEAVES THE SPACE
Alonso was assuming that ocon would negotiate that corner with ease...
That was the only mistake he made...😂😂
Learning that phrase "He fully turned in on me" is probably mandatory for every merc junior program driver
Frenchman being French
lets be fair man, alonso did turn left... idk the hate for ocon here.
I think the reason Alonso was turning a bit to the left is because Hamilton was behind Ocon (you can hear his engineer letting him know at around 0:38) and the racing line goes to the right, the idea was to let Ocon pass while the racing line is on the left and then be on the left side when Hamilton goes through and the ideal racing line is on the right, it would have worked if Ocon didn't lose control of his car
Basically the same as Albon/Bearman in Mexico. Albon lost his car and blamed another guy
Ocon kept his foot in it the whole way through but Piastri modulated the throttle
Esteban "I didn't lose the car" Ocon.
They need to use those really fast drones to give every car an iRacing style bird's-eye chase cam.
"If Fernando isn't there, we don't collide."
I mean... yeah. Can't fault that logic.
He's not completely wrong. If Alonso was at the far right, he wouldn't have hit him, but if it was Piastri, even with his wiggle, wouldn't have hit Alonso. You share the track, can't always blame someone else. That's how you get people to hate you.
Alonso : "all the time I leave a space and he still took too much carb, and ran over the chicken. Closed me the door"
Right after Ocon’s snap his car is literally pointing right at alonso and somehow it’s Alonso’s fault lol
2003 flashbacks
"He turned left in the middle of a left corner"
how this could be anyone but ocons fault is beyond me
Ocon could've won a bit of respect admitting his fault as a mature driver but he's not that mature and "he's never to blame"
"(gasps) Albon!!!"
Ocon blames everybody for all his mistakes
You can see that the snap of Oscar’s is much less compared to Ocon’s. Just use the tire marks on the track as a guide. Oscar doesn’t go through the mark while Ocon does
Baguette hell outta here, Ocon!
I don't get why F1 fans want to always blame one party, when both were at fault. Yes, Ocon could've had a perfect apex to that corner where he didn't have to correct oversteer, but you have to understand he is pushing the car as hard as he possibly can and operating on the edge of grip. Alonso got a bit greedy, not wanting to pick up any marbles/dust from the outside of the track, so he parked his car in the middle of a medium-speed corner when he could've left more space. Both were at fault for different reasons.
Fernando is on an out-lap. It's not even timed, therefore there really is no reason to use that much of the track when other people are on flying laps, in my opinion, it's dangerous. The onus for safety is moreso on the driver who isn't pushing, which is Alonso in this case, because it's much easier for them to get out of the way than someone who is on a push lap. People side with him because they simply don't like Ocon's attitude and Alonso is a legend, and that's clear as day. If that was Stroll in the AM here, suddenly everyone's opinion would flip.
Ocon flying in like miley cyrus
PENALTY: +5 SEC For Ocon
Ladies and gentleman, gaslighting at it's finest
I was fully expecting a penalty for Alonso for being on "an unusual part of the track" 😂🤣
Accident cause: Sudden loss of talent from Ocon
Ocon must have thought Fernando was still his teammate
This is kinda like the Albon bearman crash in mexico
It seems to me that Ocon's inputs were exaggerated, likely due to panicking somewhat when he started losing grip knowing that there was a car there. At one point he turns his front wheels straight towards Alonso. I am fine with calling this a racing incident, but he clearly didn't control his car very well and should have been able to recover in this particular instance without incident. To say that he didn't lose the car is just absurd, he clearly did.
Edit: "If Fernando is not there, we don't collide." This is next-level driving IQ right here.
Imo this incident is similar to Albon-Bearman in Mexico this week, with albon blaming bearman the same way
Well little Ocon is right. If there were no other cars on the track, there’s no wayyyy he could have hit any of them.
There’s a reason why everyone on the paddock and outside the paddock hate him
Ahh so now we’ve got Ocon Bin Laden aswell 😂
5 second penalty for Ocon
Make this guy a steward
Ocon's not wrong. Alonso's not there, there's no collision...😅
I agree with the FIA Fernando left more than enough space and Ocon oversteered a bit too much.
How he has a contract with haas for 25' is beyond me
Ocon Just Lost control
Assuming that Ocon wouldn’t have gotten loose, the incident wouldn’t happen. Moreso, Esteban’s fault than Fernando’s
Carbon copy of Albon's collision with bearman during Mexico practice
Ocon loves the Senna's S
Ocon just being Ocon. always blaming everybody else, never his fault.
Still milking the Ocon hate I see
I guess Alonso tried to be nice by saying no one was at fault... 💀Ocon literally made a mistake, lost the car and crashed into Fernando lol. Very similar to Albon crashing into Bearman just a week ago
Not arguably equal, not at all. If you on a hot lap and are off the racing line, it's 100% on you.
If it makes people feel better, chances are Ocon’s attitude is the reason he’s in a Haas next season instead of a Mercedes. Despite being a Mercedes junior…
Alonso left space, because all the time you have to leave the space
How was there ever any debate after seeings Ocon's onboard footage? If you think Alonso did anything wrong, get your head checked.
This is what we usually call a skill issue