From what I understand, the reason specifically Orcus, Demogorgon, and Graz'zt are always fighting is because they're the 3 strongest. So, while others might want the title "Prince of Demons" and the power it comes with, Graz'zt and Orcus are the only 2 that can really even try to take it.
Isn't the eternal conflict between Demogorgon, Orcus, and Graz'zt simply a matter of them being the three biggest demonic powers? It never goes anywhere because none of the demon lords can decisively destroy one of the others without weakening themselves to the point that the remaining demon lord would finish them off. Also a very convenient situation for the yugoloths that the demon lords use to bolster their ranks and who almost certainly have a hand in ensuring the stalemate with the demon lords continues. Those crafty mercenaries love a good prolonged war.
Several D&D editions: The demon lords aren't gods. Also demon lords' domains, powers and history: more divine and detailed than the whole paragraph of lore we get on the domains of actual gods.
Lol right! I think its more that they're basically gods but within the realms of being overcome by mortals. True divinity is being able to perceive and function on a higher level of reality, while demi-powers like Demon Lords and Archromentals only get a taste of it
Perhaps this is because the Gods are fundamentally unknowable to mortals, while Demons and such have one foot in mortality so we can understand them enough to have things to talk about them.
This is easily the most underrated DND channel on TH-cam. I´ve loved (and liked) every single video you´ve made so far! It´s clear how much effort you put into each of these. :)
Nice treatment of Orcus. To answer to the disconnect on the 1e curses bestowed by the Rod of Orcus, if you refer to the 1e DMG, in the Magic Items section (starting on pg121) there is a list of the known Artifacts /Relics. They are all detailed therein but only generally. The DMG itself doesn’t spell out all powers / curses bestowed. Rather there is only an ascribed number of such. The idea was that these ultra-powerful magical items would be different between campaigns and game worlds. Hope that helps.
20:59 What it means is that it is a way to stack the powers of the wand. In the first 2 volumes, the creator of D&D wanted the main bad guys to constantly search for a way around limitations. One of the limitations was stacking an objects, bonuses and buffs. By adding curses that are actually buffs, they can have an object stack all of the bonuses it gives to anyone. Whether the bad guy or the good guy.
There’s a lot of interesting things you can do with the lawful bureaucracy of hell, but there’s so much more variation and weirdness you can do with the chaotic abyss.
At least in 1e he did, I have no idea what he was paying him though lol. In some texts it says Pazuzu rules over the skies of all the Abyss, not just his layer, so that could play a factor.
_Fast Healing_ works the same as a _Cure Wounds_ or _Inflict Wounds_ spell in 3.5E, but it heals the specified amount every round. Unlike with _Regeneration_ effects, _Fast Healing_ doesn't replace lost limbs, gouged out eyes, et cetera.
I didn’t know that was his name, thanks for the info! I see that’s from Dead Gods which I only skimmed a page of, I guess I should’ve read the rest of it 😅
In 3.5 fast healing worked a lot like regeneration but was more limited. You could heal but you did NOT regrow/ reattach limbs or organs and if you were reduced to -10 hit points you were dead whereas something with regeneration could come back as long as some tissue remained.
Its a very secondary point in the video, but : I hear someone bash on the monster spellcasting design introduced in MPMM, I like. Otherwise, nice video as always.
That’s fair, I just wasn’t a fan and I know there was some initial backlash from the community when it was first introduced. I think it definitely makes things easier for the DM, but for some of the monsters it is just objectively better numbers-wise to snipe with the same ability as opposed to using their unique abilities and named spells, which I think makes for boring combat. Although a good DM can easily fix this by just using the spells and abilities instead of sniping every round.
The 4E item write-up for the Wand of Orcus can be found in in the adventure E3: Prince of Undeath. It's a sentient +6 Lifedrinker Mace that has a bunch of crazy powers including +6d6 damage on a critical hit, a 29th level Wizard spell, and the ability to instantly reduce a target you hit with it to 0 hit points once per short rest. It can also blast the wielder and every creature within 15 feet with a daze and weaken effect once a day if you make it mad and raise you as a dread wraith if you hit 0 HP.
@@Genghis_Sean If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea where you found the 4E lore on Thanatos. I had assumed it was in the Demonomicon with the rest of the detailed layers of the Abyss but apparently not!
@@andyenglish4303 Ya the Demonomicon unfortunately doesn't touch on Thanatos. I found my info on the Manual of the Planes and the Monster Manual for 4e.
Fast Healing lets you recover X amount of HP a round. Regeneration treats all damage as non-lethal unless bypassed (like fire vs trolls), and lets you recover however much non-lethal damage dealt equal to your Regeneration number. Advantages of Regeneration are the fact that you can reattach limbs, and when you get to -10 HP or worse on damage that does not bypass your regeneration, you don't die, unlike with Fast Healing. If this comes across as obnoxiously convoluted, there is a reason they dropped this in later editions.
Man orcus is so haxxorz he can be dethroned and killed and then just pick up where he left off cause the gameline prefers the status quo. But it’s cool getting info on one realm. They should spend more time making new realms though rather then just always coming back to the same olds.
Where do you find this kind of Amazing Art?? Please let me know! I want to make some of those pics in this video my wallpaper This is such a cool video. Its like a deep religion or mythological video of a far away alien planet.
I got burned out of them, also they just weren’t doing well (way less views than my other videos). I’ll eventually go back and finish them but I wanted a break. I spent almost 2 months on those and only got 1/3 through them.
From what I understand, the reason specifically Orcus, Demogorgon, and Graz'zt are always fighting is because they're the 3 strongest. So, while others might want the title "Prince of Demons" and the power it comes with, Graz'zt and Orcus are the only 2 that can really even try to take it.
The big 3 of the abyss!!
Isn't the eternal conflict between Demogorgon, Orcus, and Graz'zt simply a matter of them being the three biggest demonic powers?
It never goes anywhere because none of the demon lords can decisively destroy one of the others without weakening themselves to the point that the remaining demon lord would finish them off.
Also a very convenient situation for the yugoloths that the demon lords use to bolster their ranks and who almost certainly have a hand in ensuring the stalemate with the demon lords continues. Those crafty mercenaries love a good prolonged war.
Several D&D editions: The demon lords aren't gods.
Also demon lords' domains, powers and history: more divine and detailed than the whole paragraph of lore we get on the domains of actual gods.
Lol right! I think its more that they're basically gods but within the realms of being overcome by mortals. True divinity is being able to perceive and function on a higher level of reality, while demi-powers like Demon Lords and Archromentals only get a taste of it
Perhaps this is because the Gods are fundamentally unknowable to mortals, while Demons and such have one foot in mortality so we can understand them enough to have things to talk about them.
This is easily the most underrated DND channel on TH-cam. I´ve loved (and liked) every single video you´ve made so far! It´s clear how much effort you put into each of these. :)
Oh yes, a tv show's length of time about Orcus' realm?
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Nice treatment of Orcus. To answer to the disconnect on the 1e curses bestowed by the Rod of Orcus, if you refer to the 1e DMG, in the Magic Items section (starting on pg121) there is a list of the known Artifacts /Relics. They are all detailed therein but only generally. The DMG itself doesn’t spell out all powers / curses bestowed. Rather there is only an ascribed number of such. The idea was that these ultra-powerful magical items would be different between campaigns and game worlds. Hope that helps.
I really appreciate the amount of detail you went into on the various cities and geography of Thanatos.
He listened and I am greatful
Oh no, another wizard is trying to record the abyss.
20:59 What it means is that it is a way to stack the powers of the wand. In the first 2 volumes, the creator of D&D wanted the main bad guys to constantly search for a way around limitations. One of the limitations was stacking an objects, bonuses and buffs.
By adding curses that are actually buffs, they can have an object stack all of the bonuses it gives to anyone. Whether the bad guy or the good guy.
Yes! More on the Abyss.. love he 9 hells but the Abyss is way more interesting
There’s a lot of interesting things you can do with the lawful bureaucracy of hell, but there’s so much more variation and weirdness you can do with the chaotic abyss.
I knew that Pazuzu has dominion over the skies of his dominion, but I did not realize Orcus had a pact with Pazuzu.
At least in 1e he did, I have no idea what he was paying him though lol. In some texts it says Pazuzu rules over the skies of all the Abyss, not just his layer, so that could play a factor.
Pazuzu is secretly one of the remaining few Obyrith Lords in the Abyss.
The maps in here are sick, well done.
_Fast Healing_ works the same as a _Cure Wounds_ or _Inflict Wounds_ spell in 3.5E, but it heals the specified amount every round. Unlike with _Regeneration_ effects, _Fast Healing_ doesn't replace lost limbs, gouged out eyes, et cetera.
Shout out to Anarchocles, "the slain" hero whose head and spine form the handle and head of the rod of Orcus.
I didn’t know that was his name, thanks for the info! I see that’s from Dead Gods which I only skimmed a page of, I guess I should’ve read the rest of it 😅
@@Genghis_Sean mine is not to forge ahead, mine is but to Follow the Trail of Dead.
Lets go! All the big demon lords are really cool.
the palace of orcus was made by a really sadistic guy lol
also great detailed video, ty
Appreciate the content even though youve been feeling burnt-out
In 3.5 fast healing worked a lot like regeneration but was more limited. You could heal but you did NOT regrow/ reattach limbs or organs and if you were reduced to -10 hit points you were dead whereas something with regeneration could come back as long as some tissue remained.
Its a very secondary point in the video, but : I hear someone bash on the monster spellcasting design introduced in MPMM, I like. Otherwise, nice video as always.
That’s fair, I just wasn’t a fan and I know there was some initial backlash from the community when it was first introduced. I think it definitely makes things easier for the DM, but for some of the monsters it is just objectively better numbers-wise to snipe with the same ability as opposed to using their unique abilities and named spells, which I think makes for boring combat. Although a good DM can easily fix this by just using the spells and abilities instead of sniping every round.
FYI, thanatos in greek means death
'Watergate' has ruined making compound words with 'gate'. Orcusgate sounds like a scandal everytime you say it.
Kept thinking that dude!
Watergate, Gamergate, Orcusgate. It's all a big scandal dude.
The beef about the title doesn’t hold water - they can call themselves whatever they want, and have their followers act accordingly
youngsters and their lore videos. very good video
I'm giggling. Totes appreciate the outro!
The 4E item write-up for the Wand of Orcus can be found in in the adventure E3: Prince of Undeath. It's a sentient +6 Lifedrinker Mace that has a bunch of crazy powers including +6d6 damage on a critical hit, a 29th level Wizard spell, and the ability to instantly reduce a target you hit with it to 0 hit points once per short rest.
It can also blast the wielder and every creature within 15 feet with a daze and weaken effect once a day if you make it mad and raise you as a dread wraith if you hit 0 HP.
Thank you! There’s always something I miss
@@Genghis_Sean If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea where you found the 4E lore on Thanatos. I had assumed it was in the Demonomicon with the rest of the detailed layers of the Abyss but apparently not!
@@andyenglish4303 Ya the Demonomicon unfortunately doesn't touch on Thanatos. I found my info on the Manual of the Planes and the Monster Manual for 4e.
Fast Healing lets you recover X amount of HP a round.
Regeneration treats all damage as non-lethal unless bypassed (like fire vs trolls), and lets you recover however much non-lethal damage dealt equal to your Regeneration number.
Advantages of Regeneration are the fact that you can reattach limbs, and when you get to -10 HP or worse on damage that does not bypass your regeneration, you don't die, unlike with Fast Healing.
If this comes across as obnoxiously convoluted, there is a reason they dropped this in later editions.
I wanna right an adventure here now this is epic!
The music at the end is dope, I’m trying to find it lol
It's called All I am by Dyalla, I got it from the free TH-cam Audio Library
excellent video, it was great!, thx for the information!
Now I went to more about OrcusWorld, a Orime Mateeial Okane rules by Orcus - probably some type of corporate world with undead workers
I was a courier for the kitchen of his unliving coil.
33:47 DO they have catchy musical intros?
Not Kiarannslee!😭 Kiaran-sah-lee = Kiaransalee
Great video!
There is a dnd short of orcus vs vecna which is worth a look.
Man orcus is so haxxorz he can be dethroned and killed and then just pick up where he left off cause the gameline prefers the status quo. But it’s cool getting info on one realm. They should spend more time making new realms though rather then just always coming back to the same olds.
Where do you find this kind of Amazing Art?? Please let me know! I want to make some of those pics in this video my wallpaper This is such a cool video. Its like a deep religion or mythological video of a far away alien planet.
It’s almost all official art from D&D books. I get a lot of it from the Forgotten Realms wiki.
Good video, but why the break in the factions of Sigil?
I got burned out of them, also they just weren’t doing well (way less views than my other videos). I’ll eventually go back and finish them but I wanted a break. I spent almost 2 months on those and only got 1/3 through them.
I would imagine that limiting yourself to one WotC rant per video must require the self restraint of an ascetic monk... but maybe that's just me.
He took that instead of quivering palm
You glance over there are 2 molidais' when that is the only time ive heard of a demon lord making 2. Since lore states they make one. Wanna elaborate
Can you talk about the Demon lord of Minotaur Called baphomet and abyssal layer the infinite maze?
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hs orcus is an ai edgelord
Nice job I really like the choice of music!
Btw Tenebrous is pronounced "Ten-uh-brow"
Like eye brow or a ships prow. The s is silent
Thanks! I was just going off the pronunciation in the dictionary 🙃