Pat letting his Coloniser French man out in this one, screaming at the ethnics who won't assimilate with the superior culture of the appartheid states.
It's funny that Pat hates vibration for the same reason I do but I've been doing it for a lot longer because back when rechargeable controllers would actually last for like 20 hours per charge, having vibration enabled would eat up like 4-5 of those hours. Vibration has just always been a huge battery killer.
Yeah I think that they definitely learned something from the fact that like 95% of people played Paragon in mass Effect so they wasted a ton of time and money on Renegade choices, but I dunno if they're gonna learn the right lesson. The problem is that Renegade was written really inconsistently. Like the trilogy was clearly designed around a Paragon Shep, and then had a Renegade Shep that was purely written in opposition to Paragon. And as a result if you actually do a pure Renegade playthrough, you end up playing this completely inconsistent nonsense character that regularly flip flops between "I'm a hard boiled cop that doesn't play by the rules, I'll do whatever it takes for the greater good" to "lol I wonder if I can commit a second genocide before lunch today!" The solution is to note write your games around the idea that there are specific ways to play them, and to instead just offer the player legitimately interesting choices that have their own consequences instead of focusing on random bars and good boy / bad boy points. You can still include "evil" options but they need to have actual reasoning and justification behind them, and not just exist for the sake of offering an evil choice. But instead it seems like from what I've heard they basically wrote Veilguard like they were writing a paragon route without the renegade route to go along side it which doesn't seem like the best direction imo
Ehhh, the problem is ultimately the "glass of water" situation Games like BG3 can do all those choices, but they skip out production in alot of other places. Part of why Mass Effect is loved as much as it is, is because of that blend of CRPG dialogue systems and being a 3rd person shooter But they absolutely wasted time making Renegade be "i eat people" vs just being a loose cannon Think is, some games let you do that, even Veilguard does to an extent, but because its not "SUPER DIFFERENT CHANGES, i can throw my party member into a blender" people just think there arent choices There are choices, theyre just more subtle, thats how Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 are
well i guess if you arent going to spend the effort or money to make a good evil route then dont do it at all.. but if we arent going to get real choice then they should just do a Jrpg protag and tell a story. better a Clive than a bland self insert with the illusion of choice.
@@Won_Hunna Disagree. Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Mass Effect, ect all have characters that are not "you", they are pre-established people, they have a name, mannerism, personality. But theres still value in the smaller changes and decisions you can make in those games, the little and occasionally big choices that diverge a plot. I think theres actually more value in subtle dialogue choices that help connect you a little better to the main character, than having none at all. I think thats why Geralt and V are so endearing, you get to cut out some of that "Oh this character is dumb" or "I wouldnt do that"
It matters for qunari cause your gender is defined by what your good at in their culture. So if you’re a good warrior you’re male no matter what physiologic sex you are or if you’re good at basically anything else and bad at fighting you’re female. So by choosing pronoun you’re basically saying where your talents are.
This is one of the more genuine complaints for the game, which is that being a 4th game in a pretty disconnected series, where alot of the lore isnt not upfront, in a game also trying to condense in places... details like that are completely lost So everything related to Taash doesnt have the context, and they probably shouldve. Even the whole push-up thing, and "pulling a Bharve", they couldve had a part WAAAY earlier in the game, where they sent that up. Maybe Taash makes a mistake, and Isabella kinda gives the "aahh, you know what to do" then reluctantly does it, and you get the explanation.
I dont think thats the reason why we got what we got with Taash. I think there was a concerted effort to subvert the values of the predominantly conservative and religious fundamentalist race faction. Taash is less of a character and more of a manifestation of the writers disregard for the Qunari thats been built up til now. Someones OC
@@Agent_Cobalt No it isn't. The Qunari have been building towards a schism throughout the whole series, Bull talks about it in Inq. As of Veilguard, the warrior caste has broken away from the rest for very real, historically based reasons. When you have a caste of soldiers and warriors, they get pissed when you try to stop them from doing war and murder, or give them too many rules. The Qunari were interesting prior, but very flat in our understanding of them. Every society has internal strife and every faith has myriad interpretations. Some sort of splinter was inevitable to come to the surface, and we see the first hard signs of it in Trespasser. Of course Qunari can leave the Qun, their culture isn't built into the brains or anything. Sten tells you in the first game literally anyone can go and join the Qunari and be treated as one if they dedicate themselves to it. Your complaints that we don't get enough of the Qunari lore is valid though, I wish there was more. Taash doesn't explicitly subscribe to the Qun. They just have their mother's teachings and that is the only context they have. I would agree that the writing around them is probably the weakest in the game, but they're not representative of some sort of "disregard" for the Qunari. They slot in very well, especially since they, well, don't subscribe to the Qun. They're not a hivemind, after all.
2:46:07 iunno what the fuck people in chat are on about, nothing i'm looking at is showing approval is connected to XP. There is an approval rating bar but thats about it.
Approval *is* experience for companions. They gain 2 skill points each time you rank up your relationship with them. At relationship level 10 they'll have exactly enough skill points to max out 3 of their abilities.
Everything I've seen suggests that there's massive retcons to the point where 90% of the mysteries in Thedas can be answered with the phrase "the elves did it", and the final mission of the game is the best part of it, but there's a lot of people saying that everything leading up to that final mission is bad/mediocre enough that it doesn't make up for what led up to it.
I’m applauding the fact the game runs great in all platforms and has a solid combat system, not my favorite story in the series but it’s infinitely more fun than DAI with its bloat.
@@john2854 It performed poorly and people think its dog crap. Lol More than 98% of the human population doesnt like to be force fed an explanation on dumb, nut job gender ideologies. Who knew?
Thanks for trying this Pat. Im curious to see what you think. I'm about 70 hours in and in Act 2 and I am enjoying it. It is missing some things that I liked in previous DA games, like more autonomy to RP your own character, and some of the dialogue feels like they are afraid of dead air. I also miss the grey areas of each faction that don't really get touched on in this game. However there has been some cute moments, wicked level designs, more lore, cool characters and villains, and legit fun combat to keep me interested. I think every DA game has been different and I kinda enjoy that they are willing to experiment. I am very aware though that if BG3 hadnt come out and wasnt amazingly what it is, I most likely would have been less understanding of the direction Bioware is going in lol. Verdict: I am excited to see where the franchise goes and I am just happy to be in this world I love again. Hope you enjoy ❤
I’m at about the same spot as you based on hours and I fully agree. Really wish the role play aspects were better, in particular I feel like the dialogue wheel often misrepresents the choice you’re making. But overall it’s a fun game, feels like one of those solid 360 action games, like it was actually a sequel and evolution to the gameplay of DA2. As a far left person, even I can get a bit bored of how on the nose some of the stuff is, but I just see it like The Barbie movie, where it’s not the most deep or the most skillfully crafted themes, but at least someone is broaching some of these topics.
I don't understand why people are mad. Pat has made a career playing bad games so this seems like a win-win if you hate this game. I personally don't like most cRPGs so I have no stake in this.
Solas in Inquisition: "I miss my friends, and the world will perish for me to put elves back on top." Solas in Veilguard: I WASN'T DESTROYING THE WORLD! HOW DARE YOU!?
Totally rewrite the villains motivation, why not. Oh, the dalish don't follow their own gods anymore, because that would make them the bad guys. I guess we'll just completely rip out our own worldbuilding, why not.
I kinda got the impression that Solas was totally just dragging along with his plan out of conviction and that he was constantly reworking and obscuring his intentions within his internal monologue in order to justify it to himself. By the time of Veilguard he's basically putting in as little effort as possible in the hope that someone will stop him. I think there's even a point where you can call him out on it and he gets flustered. And there's other lore revelations that make this seem even more believable to me. Not saying there's no retconning to be had, but that if there is it never struck me as being particularly unreasonable or out of touch with Solas as he is established as a character.
@@iamnuff1992 me when i dont know what im talking about. The Dalish are the first faction to fall victim to the Gods return, and they have an entire settlement get wasted. Why would they continue to worship something they were clearly wrong about? The artifact retrieval in Arlathan was already hinting they were wrong about quite a bit, so it wasn't a big leap for them - especially as word of who Solas was propagated.
@@easterneagle5 Like, Solas's inconsistency is the most important detail of his character. The dude is constantly flying by the seat of his pants and switching allies and enemies. Everything he does backfires on him. And even in DAI, he acknowledges that his time with the Inquisition has changed his mind about the current state of the world being unsalvageable (and made him a little less racist).
It's the absolute funniest thing in the world to witness the bAd cRiNgE wRiTiNg that everyone on social media have been absolutely fucking shitting their pants in disgust over, and then see it all bounce off Pat like barely anything happened (because regular human beings with normal videogame opinions see it as basic and kinda lame at worst, rather than talking about it like Joss Whedon personally broke into their home and shot them in the kneecaps)
It only gets better and more consistent as the game continues as well. Unfortunately, the games weakest writing tends to float around Taash - the game's nonbinary character - and their correlated faction. I love the conceit, the execution is just...not great. Gives the chud types more ammo, unfortunately.
No you don't get it, if it's annoying to you it can't be "mediocre" it needs to be THE WORST THING EVER I'M SHAKING AND PISSING MYSELF RN. How will the people know you don't like it otherwise?
The quips are quite bad. I feel the games biggest sins are the observational dialogue from the squad which made me audibly say “no shit” multiple times, and the utter lack of role playing. If a plot or world isn’t engaging me I usually can get some enjoyment out of just being purely evil but this game lacks any avenues for that.
@@manwithastick8756 The opposite group that actually likes that kind of writing, and who do that kind of writing, are definitely way more annoying though. Lol
2:33 I would like to thank Gene for peaking Pat's interest in this game, but also that annoying user in chat for telling Pat he should not play it. The power of spite is real!
he just knows it will get clicks and hes gonna be incredibly safe when it gets to the cringey trans shit, dont you worry. Pat is a master at being a safe baby mean while his wife is following people like ItsAGundam who are massive transphobes.
@@Dracobyte Kyero has been convinced for years that Pat is really a red pilled traditional values race realist who's just hiding his true face because he's afraid of getting canceled or something.
Gave this a shot as I’m one of the few people who enjoyed Andromeda despite its many, many flaws. Yeah this isn’t for me at full price. I chose a warrior dwarf expecting to be able to roleplay as what you’d expect a dwarf warrior to act like and it was infuriating what options the game was giving me. That plus the “no shit” observational dialogue from the party and the marvel-esque quips made me refund. Maybe one day I’ll pick it up on sale for pennies as that’s what I did with Andromeda and had a good time, but right now I have zero desire to touch this.
@@OrcintheBasement the funniest part is that if they actually interacted with the videogame in any substantative capacity they would know that Veilguard eventually delves into literally the most existential elements of dwarven lore possible
Mass Effect's renegade playthrough would probably have been better received if they'd put a little bit of effort into it. Hammer out a personality for Ren-shep that isn't him wildly spinning between 'bad cop but fighting to save the galaxy' to 'total psychopath' Also, if the renegade playthrough didn't totally gimp you on every front. Making 'hard but necessary choices' should leave you in a better position to fight the reapers, not a VASTLY worse one.
Aren't the Dalish supposed to worship 'the old elven gods' Why aren't they happy that two of them returned? The whole twist at the end of the last game was that none of them were aware that their gods were evil, their entire history is wrong and their 'traditional dalish tattoos' are slave-brands.
At first because they thought it was bullshit, and secondly because they started murdering a bunch of people. The latter being a pretty big implication that "uh oh! we might have been wrong about that one."
>Huge climactic confrontation between a member of The Inquisition and Solus, the evil Elf-God of the dalish who seeks to end the world >The inquisitor isn't present for some reason so it has to fall to side-character Varrik. This all takes place in the prologue for some reason, not at the end of the game. Still, what incredible dramatic moment will we have? *Characters arguing inaudibly offscreen.* Are you for fucking real?
Almost like it's the inciting incident of the story and not intended to be the resolution of a deliberate cliffhanger in the prior game. As if it's setting up a future confrontation in the story, or specific circumstances in order to tell a story beyond the one you already experienced. You don't leave a cliffhanger to just resolve it in five seconds in the next entry, or to dangle the resolution at the very end just cause. The story is about resolving what happens when you foil Solas's plans. The Inquisitor is /also/ searching for Solas, but elsewhere. They are also a significant international political figure, even if the Inquisition is dissolved. This is addressed later in the story, because the front is already packed with exposition to an absurd extent. They really overcorrected for newcomers, but the writing does even out after the introductory segments. Well, mostly. Unfortunately Taash and the Lords of Fortune side of the game are home to the weakest writing, which, considering the topics they decided to tackle, gives a lot of ammo to dickheads of a certain brand.
yup. im not even a dragon age fan, but i feel the same way about this game as i do for fans of mass effect when ME3 dropped. a terrible game that retcons so much lore that was built up, which means you get ZERO payoff.
@@dancinginfernal what the hell are you talking about? mass effect 3 was re-written because of a leak. this is confirmed by EA. by default i win this non-arguement.
@@stabbitystyle Good for him, that doesn't mean what i said is meaningless, he is a person that depends on being agreeable with people who might sponsor him in the future.
@@nonotorious1467it does mean what you said is meaningless. Pat isn’t going to pretend to like a game just bc he was sponsored I’m sorry you losers can’t accept the fact the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit about your whining
@@nonotorious1467 "Whenever Pat likes the things I like he's sincere, when he likes the things I don't like he's lying" Go watch someone more in line with your tastes instead of doing whatever the hell this is.
@ I want to say andromeda had better companion characters, but they aren’t great. Half of them are just poor imitations of previous companions. Peebee is the only one with an arc. Liam is just… aggressively awful
@Agent_Cobalt Drax was my favorite out of all the Krogan ME squadmates. Though the other Amdromeda companions didn't really leave an impression on me.
Nobody is butthurt, at least no the people who voice lots or reasonable criticism. It is fun, in a fun kind of way, like a fun summer movie, like some procedural series. You take a fat nice dump while playing it, it is fun, someone asks what did you do "ug-ugh its kinda fun, talked to that chick, and then that other guy, went of mission, kind of fun combat, gotta stop, look I'm old, I don't have time for this gamer stuff, this game is for me, like really fun. People dunked on Starfield last year, but that was fun, the game for me"
Game is fun, i also thought it would be dogshit and cringe but its more than good enough to me. Dialogue is coin flip cringe still but the moment to moment is enjoyable and i liked it.
@@AF-ti7nb I mean playing videogames is part of his job as a online content creator. So by your logic gay people are the only ones that video games all day? What does that make you since you come back here to watch someone play said video games? Lol
It's funny seeing Pat get into a game because someone told him it was trash. He's giving it an honest take and it's basically a good action rpg with terrible dialogue. But because he went in without his usual mentality, he's liking it much more then he would have other games.
@@Z50nemesis Gene cares more about the politics than the quality of the game, that's why he likes it. This is the same guy who was on Twitter trying to prop up Concord when it came out, saying there had to be something wrong with the reported player numbers because it couldn't POSSIBLY be that low. All game journos will lie through their teeth to support any game that pushes their preferred message.
I do find it funny how the most prominent "defense" i see for this game are people saying its apparently not as bad as people claim. Rarely do i see people give thoughtful examples of moments where the game is really good
I think the gameplay is fun (at least as a mage, what I’ve been playing). The world, even with the different art style, looks great. The companions are all interesting and their side quests are good and engaging. As many have said, this game is like a 7/10, which has somehow become a crime.
To be fair the opposition also seems to generally boil down to "REEEEEEEE! DEI! TAASH! WOKE GARBAGE" I haven't heard anyone make legit complaints about the game either. Most normal people seem to agree that it's a good ARPG, but poor Dragon Age.
The finale is a lot of fun, reminds me of ME2 suicide mission with more going on. The cast is really good, and hte world is gorgeous. Gameplay is a blast as well. A lot of folks calling it a 7/10, but I'd lean more a strong 8. I had a lot of fun with it, but it opens with some very poor writing so a lot of folks had a bad first impression, which is unfortunate as the writing and pacing improves significantly after the opening portion.
I actually beat this game yesterday, took me about 63 hours, finished all quests. It might not be as terrible as people say, but it's mostly just boring, dialogs are terrible, and a lot of the game was just annoying to me, not to mention calling it Dragon Age is a disgrace. Do not recommend.
That's the thing. It doesn't matter of the game looks great or has decent gameplay. It spits in the face of dragon age fans and the story itself. You shouldn't have bad writing, modern dialog, and gender politics in a fantasy based rpg. This game went downhill the moment they passed it off to that head developer and writing team.
@@chriskoloski32 tfym you shouldn't have modern politics in fantasy, you realize most fantasy based media has been based around politics of the time the story was written that the writer believes in or is actively pointing out the flaw in yes?
@@chriskoloski32 "Spit in the face of dragon age fans" :seems a bit excessive. It's just another dragon age game. "Modern dialogue", : what does that even mean? Are you saying its dialogue is set in modern times or is it "modern" real world slang? "Gender politics" : I mean politics exist in stories , especially in fantasy worlds like dragon age. Gender politics can also exist to , it does have a medieval setting. Although Im confused on what your talking about, because you were talking about something completely different in your other previous comments. So I'll take a guess you don't have a clear cut main issue with the game , you're just repeating whatever crowd you're hanging out with. As for the downfall: if you haven't kept up with dragon age development or bioware in general. Many original team members left , passing it off to the remaining staff. The team is making another dragon age because that's what EA wants. I'll say personally the dragon age story can be tricky, because unlike mass effect their first story involving the darkspawn ended in the first game. So they have to create and new bigger threat than that while also changing the tone to a more guardians of the galaxy feel, because I'm sure EA are trying to follow trends or whatever series is most popular with young folks.
@@happymate8943 "Spit in the face of dragon age fans" :seems a bit excessive. It's just another dragon age game. It literally deletes Ferelden (Place where Origins was taking place) Making Origins mean absolutely nothing, it's not "excessive" it's an appropriate reaction.
Oh no, I don't like this at all. Will not be purchasing. (This is my first time seeing any Veilguard. I try not to watch trailers or read announcements and so on for games I'm interested in. I'll just treat Inquisition as my final DA game lol)
It's not worth playing and actively shits on everything that made Dragon Age good, probably out of spite for the actually talented writers who used to work there.
You can astroturf this game as much as you want, but you can't make it _not_ blatantly cringe to look at. As a brit i've gotta say that you're right about Nu-Doctor Who though. Previously he did a lot of running away, and came up with clever solutions to technobabble the aliens to death. The idea that The Doctor was someone 'scary' was subtext at best. But then the writers started huffing their own farts now he spends a lot of time standing around jerking off about how scary his own reputation is, while being completely unarmed and unable to fight, in front of people who could kill him in a heartbeat. he trades entirely on his plot-armour now.
Oh boy, here we go. I tried the game, I couldn't get through an hour of it. It's a husk trying to be Dragon Age that couldn't even come close to what the series used to be in it's wildest dreams. Not even just because of the woke stuff, it just isn't a Dragon Age game.
Pat, you don't understand. Real talk, i want my video games to measure up to literature. I want it to be nier automata or metal gear. The game feels like it talks down to you but also lokks down on you. Actual complex characters. What's wrong with that?
Then maybe you shouldn't play videogames and just stick to books or something. 90% of videogames were made with the mindset of "Story in videogames is like story for Porn," And only 5% of videogames hire actual writers(Max Payne, Alan Wake, FFXIV, Nier Automata, etc).
I can't spoil anything because I haven't watched or played this game. But I saw some clips and a review. And I would describe the dialogue as Dora the Explorer, or Caillou.
@@Dracobyte Now now, you know this is the first time he's ever even thought about Dragon Age, and it's just because he was told to be mad about it, so how could he possibly know about the other games?
@@DracobyteI would not be surprised if it did. Bioware have already achieved something I believed impossible by making a Dragon Age game I have zero interest in, so at this point, nothing they do would surprise me.
![A Ritual 10 Years In The Making | Dragon Age: The Veilguard [Part 1]](/img/n.gif)
55:23 Game Starts
1:24:16 Character Creation Finished
2:23:49 Return From Break
Thanks for the timestamp.
Timestamping right at "Shit, I'm gay" is crazy
Pat letting his Coloniser French man out in this one, screaming at the ethnics who won't assimilate with the superior culture of the appartheid states.
Thedas is actually a 1:1 scale recreation of Algeria.
@@pluemas The Wretched of Thedas
It's funny that Pat hates vibration for the same reason I do but I've been doing it for a lot longer because back when rechargeable controllers would actually last for like 20 hours per charge, having vibration enabled would eat up like 4-5 of those hours. Vibration has just always been a huge battery killer.
I've disliked it on most things until the dual sense. Some games have used it amazingly. Playing astro bot is like a mini hand massage.
oh boy, I'm sure the comments on this will be extremely normal
Very normal actually. Sane one might say.
Hoo boy!
- Sojiro, Persona 5.
and Im sure Pat will never mock anything remotely controversial.
while Paige follows people like ItsAGundam and Metokur
@@kyero8724what does Paige has to do with anything of this? This is Pat's stream.
Already saw someone already unironically use woke, lord all mighty.
Yeah I think that they definitely learned something from the fact that like 95% of people played Paragon in mass Effect so they wasted a ton of time and money on Renegade choices, but I dunno if they're gonna learn the right lesson. The problem is that Renegade was written really inconsistently. Like the trilogy was clearly designed around a Paragon Shep, and then had a Renegade Shep that was purely written in opposition to Paragon. And as a result if you actually do a pure Renegade playthrough, you end up playing this completely inconsistent nonsense character that regularly flip flops between "I'm a hard boiled cop that doesn't play by the rules, I'll do whatever it takes for the greater good" to "lol I wonder if I can commit a second genocide before lunch today!"
The solution is to note write your games around the idea that there are specific ways to play them, and to instead just offer the player legitimately interesting choices that have their own consequences instead of focusing on random bars and good boy / bad boy points. You can still include "evil" options but they need to have actual reasoning and justification behind them, and not just exist for the sake of offering an evil choice. But instead it seems like from what I've heard they basically wrote Veilguard like they were writing a paragon route without the renegade route to go along side it which doesn't seem like the best direction imo
Just give me one game that actually does lawful evil well. Tyranny was the last one and it was 2016.
Ehhh, the problem is ultimately the "glass of water" situation
Games like BG3 can do all those choices, but they skip out production in alot of other places.
Part of why Mass Effect is loved as much as it is, is because of that blend of CRPG dialogue systems and being a 3rd person shooter
But they absolutely wasted time making Renegade be "i eat people" vs just being a loose cannon
Think is, some games let you do that, even Veilguard does to an extent, but because its not "SUPER DIFFERENT CHANGES, i can throw my party member into a blender" people just think there arent choices
There are choices, theyre just more subtle, thats how Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 are
well i guess if you arent going to spend the effort or money to make a good evil route then dont do it at all.. but if we arent going to get real choice then they should just do a Jrpg protag and tell a story. better a Clive than a bland self insert with the illusion of choice.
@@Won_Hunna Disagree. Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Mass Effect, ect all have characters that are not "you", they are pre-established people, they have a name, mannerism, personality.
But theres still value in the smaller changes and decisions you can make in those games, the little and occasionally big choices that diverge a plot.
I think theres actually more value in subtle dialogue choices that help connect you a little better to the main character, than having none at all.
I think thats why Geralt and V are so endearing, you get to cut out some of that "Oh this character is dumb" or "I wouldnt do that"
You mean like dragon age origins does?
It matters for qunari cause your gender is defined by what your good at in their culture. So if you’re a good warrior you’re male no matter what physiologic sex you are or if you’re good at basically anything else and bad at fighting you’re female. So by choosing pronoun you’re basically saying where your talents are.
This is one of the more genuine complaints for the game, which is that being a 4th game in a pretty disconnected series, where alot of the lore isnt not upfront, in a game also trying to condense in places... details like that are completely lost
So everything related to Taash doesnt have the context, and they probably shouldve. Even the whole push-up thing, and "pulling a Bharve", they couldve had a part WAAAY earlier in the game, where they sent that up. Maybe Taash makes a mistake, and Isabella kinda gives the "aahh, you know what to do" then reluctantly does it, and you get the explanation.
I dont think thats the reason why we got what we got with Taash. I think there was a concerted effort to subvert the values of the predominantly conservative and religious fundamentalist race faction. Taash is less of a character and more of a manifestation of the writers disregard for the Qunari thats been built up til now. Someones OC
@@Agent_Cobalt Lot of words there buddy, easier to just say "i dont like trans people"
@@Agent_Cobalt No it isn't. The Qunari have been building towards a schism throughout the whole series, Bull talks about it in Inq. As of Veilguard, the warrior caste has broken away from the rest for very real, historically based reasons. When you have a caste of soldiers and warriors, they get pissed when you try to stop them from doing war and murder, or give them too many rules. The Qunari were interesting prior, but very flat in our understanding of them. Every society has internal strife and every faith has myriad interpretations. Some sort of splinter was inevitable to come to the surface, and we see the first hard signs of it in Trespasser.
Of course Qunari can leave the Qun, their culture isn't built into the brains or anything. Sten tells you in the first game literally anyone can go and join the Qunari and be treated as one if they dedicate themselves to it. Your complaints that we don't get enough of the Qunari lore is valid though, I wish there was more.
Taash doesn't explicitly subscribe to the Qun. They just have their mother's teachings and that is the only context they have. I would agree that the writing around them is probably the weakest in the game, but they're not representative of some sort of "disregard" for the Qunari. They slot in very well, especially since they, well, don't subscribe to the Qun. They're not a hivemind, after all.
That doesn’t sound very inclusive, how could they let this happen?
2:46:07 iunno what the fuck people in chat are on about, nothing i'm looking at is showing approval is connected to XP. There is an approval rating bar but thats about it.
Approval *is* experience for companions. They gain 2 skill points each time you rank up your relationship with them. At relationship level 10 they'll have exactly enough skill points to max out 3 of their abilities.
Her name is Neve and she has frost powers? Neve is snow in Portuguese.
I finally get to see someone react to this in real time. I too "gots to know" but I'm not spending 40+ dedicated hours and 70 bucks on the knowing.
Well, that is what streamers and youtubers are for thankfully.
From what I hear it's 40 hours of meh for 5 hours of cool.
Everything I've seen suggests that there's massive retcons to the point where 90% of the mysteries in Thedas can be answered with the phrase "the elves did it", and the final mission of the game is the best part of it, but there's a lot of people saying that everything leading up to that final mission is bad/mediocre enough that it doesn't make up for what led up to it.
@Colton-el4mp Beat it yesterday. It's more like 65 hours for a full playthrough, for about 2 hours of okay, not cool.
@@Colton-el4mp Weird. From what I played it was more like 4-5 hours of meh (the beginning hours) and then 50 hours of oh this is pretty neat
This game's art style really hits the uncanny valley for me. The unnatural voice acting doesn't help.
I’m applauding the fact the game runs great in all platforms and has a solid combat system, not my favorite story in the series but it’s infinitely more fun than DAI with its bloat.
While it's still bloated, it's not 3/4 of the game like Inquisition.
I lioe bellara but shes more of a artificer,she usues magic but through her machinery.
>"dead game"
>sits at the top of steam top sellers for 3 consecutive weeks
They are NOT sending their best
buddy every new release sits at top sellers. steams best sellers list has been a shame since obama was in office.
@@john2854 It performed poorly and people think its dog crap. Lol More than 98% of the human population doesnt like to be force fed an explanation on dumb, nut job gender ideologies. Who knew?
It did awful. Lol
Thanks for trying this Pat. Im curious to see what you think. I'm about 70 hours in and in Act 2 and I am enjoying it. It is missing some things that I liked in previous DA games, like more autonomy to RP your own character, and some of the dialogue feels like they are afraid of dead air. I also miss the grey areas of each faction that don't really get touched on in this game. However there has been some cute moments, wicked level designs, more lore, cool characters and villains, and legit fun combat to keep me interested. I think every DA game has been different and I kinda enjoy that they are willing to experiment. I am very aware though that if BG3 hadnt come out and wasnt amazingly what it is, I most likely would have been less understanding of the direction Bioware is going in lol. Verdict: I am excited to see where the franchise goes and I am just happy to be in this world I love again. Hope you enjoy ❤
name the cool character and how fun they are.
Thank you for your nuanced opinion.
I’m at about the same spot as you based on hours and I fully agree. Really wish the role play aspects were better, in particular I feel like the dialogue wheel often misrepresents the choice you’re making. But overall it’s a fun game, feels like one of those solid 360 action games, like it was actually a sequel and evolution to the gameplay of DA2. As a far left person, even I can get a bit bored of how on the nose some of the stuff is, but I just see it like The Barbie movie, where it’s not the most deep or the most skillfully crafted themes, but at least someone is broaching some of these topics.
You can always trust Harding, Varric, Isabella, Morrigan and Dorian for a good time. @@kyero8724
@@jabberwackme3810 70 hours?.........why?
Beautiful bald man bring video to me ❤
I don't understand why people are mad. Pat has made a career playing bad games so this seems like a win-win if you hate this game.
I personally don't like most cRPGs so I have no stake in this.
Well, it's not a CRPG
Pat plays it so we don't have to.
@@thelaughingrouge truly the nostalgia critic successor we deserve.
In the words of Dante: This party is getting Crazy (Talk)!
Glad Pat decided to look at this game, it's a fun watch. Thanks Pat!
This game capped out at 4k higher than Metaphor, I guess Metaphor is a bad game guys pack it up.
Oh man!
Solas in Inquisition: "I miss my friends, and the world will perish for me to put elves back on top."
Solas in Veilguard: I WASN'T DESTROYING THE WORLD! HOW DARE YOU!?
Totally rewrite the villains motivation, why not.
Oh, the dalish don't follow their own gods anymore, because that would make them the bad guys.
I guess we'll just completely rip out our own worldbuilding, why not.
I kinda got the impression that Solas was totally just dragging along with his plan out of conviction and that he was constantly reworking and obscuring his intentions within his internal monologue in order to justify it to himself. By the time of Veilguard he's basically putting in as little effort as possible in the hope that someone will stop him. I think there's even a point where you can call him out on it and he gets flustered. And there's other lore revelations that make this seem even more believable to me.
Not saying there's no retconning to be had, but that if there is it never struck me as being particularly unreasonable or out of touch with Solas as he is established as a character.
@@iamnuff1992 me when i dont know what im talking about. The Dalish are the first faction to fall victim to the Gods return, and they have an entire settlement get wasted. Why would they continue to worship something they were clearly wrong about? The artifact retrieval in Arlathan was already hinting they were wrong about quite a bit, so it wasn't a big leap for them - especially as word of who Solas was propagated.
@@easterneagle5 Like, Solas's inconsistency is the most important detail of his character. The dude is constantly flying by the seat of his pants and switching allies and enemies. Everything he does backfires on him. And even in DAI, he acknowledges that his time with the Inquisition has changed his mind about the current state of the world being unsalvageable (and made him a little less racist).
It's the absolute funniest thing in the world to witness the bAd cRiNgE wRiTiNg that everyone on social media have been absolutely fucking shitting their pants in disgust over, and then see it all bounce off Pat like barely anything happened (because regular human beings with normal videogame opinions see it as basic and kinda lame at worst, rather than talking about it like Joss Whedon personally broke into their home and shot them in the kneecaps)
It only gets better and more consistent as the game continues as well. Unfortunately, the games weakest writing tends to float around Taash - the game's nonbinary character - and their correlated faction. I love the conceit, the execution is just...not great. Gives the chud types more ammo, unfortunately.
No you don't get it, if it's annoying to you it can't be "mediocre" it needs to be THE WORST THING EVER I'M SHAKING AND PISSING MYSELF RN. How will the people know you don't like it otherwise?
The quips are quite bad. I feel the games biggest sins are the observational dialogue from the squad which made me audibly say “no shit” multiple times, and the utter lack of role playing. If a plot or world isn’t engaging me I usually can get some enjoyment out of just being purely evil but this game lacks any avenues for that.
I said no shit multiple times in metaphor tbf.@SuperBrutalCabbage
@@manwithastick8756 The opposite group that actually likes that kind of writing, and who do that kind of writing, are definitely way more annoying though. Lol
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Pat really needs to stop eating on camera
No
dragon age 2 is actually the best one
The pissbabies in this comment section are hilarious. Please keep posting, your comments are good for the youtube algorithm
are these pissbabies in the room with us now?
57:19 hey! Leave the Dalish alone!
2:33 I would like to thank Gene for peaking Pat's interest in this game, but also that annoying user in chat for telling Pat he should not play it. The power of spite is real!
he just knows it will get clicks
and hes gonna be incredibly safe when it gets to the cringey trans shit, dont you worry. Pat is a master at being a safe baby
mean while his wife is following people like ItsAGundam who are massive transphobes.
@@kyero8724what do you mean by "safe baby"?
@@Dracobyte Kyero has been convinced for years that Pat is really a red pilled traditional values race realist who's just hiding his true face because he's afraid of getting canceled or something.
couldn't possibly matter less, but it's "piquing" :)
@@kyero8724 Things you say when you're not being a parasocial Andy and acting totally insane.
Vitar is the pair they put on their face for defence instead of helms
Gave this a shot as I’m one of the few people who enjoyed Andromeda despite its many, many flaws. Yeah this isn’t for me at full price. I chose a warrior dwarf expecting to be able to roleplay as what you’d expect a dwarf warrior to act like and it was infuriating what options the game was giving me. That plus the “no shit” observational dialogue from the party and the marvel-esque quips made me refund.
Maybe one day I’ll pick it up on sale for pennies as that’s what I did with Andromeda and had a good time, but right now I have zero desire to touch this.
I salute your tolerance to cringe dialogue
Based on this comment you 100% didn’t play this game
@@OrcintheBasement the funniest part is that if they actually interacted with the videogame in any substantative capacity they would know that Veilguard eventually delves into literally the most existential elements of dwarven lore possible
Mass Effect's renegade playthrough would probably have been better received if they'd put a little bit of effort into it.
Hammer out a personality for Ren-shep that isn't him wildly spinning between 'bad cop but fighting to save the galaxy' to 'total psychopath'
Also, if the renegade playthrough didn't totally gimp you on every front.
Making 'hard but necessary choices' should leave you in a better position to fight the reapers, not a VASTLY worse one.
What if the "hard but necessary choices" aren't actually necessary? What if that's just something tyrants say to justify why they want to be tyrants?
Aren't the Dalish supposed to worship 'the old elven gods'
Why aren't they happy that two of them returned?
The whole twist at the end of the last game was that none of them were aware that their gods were evil, their entire history is wrong and their 'traditional dalish tattoos' are slave-brands.
At first because they thought it was bullshit, and secondly because they started murdering a bunch of people. The latter being a pretty big implication that "uh oh! we might have been wrong about that one."
This game is fine. Not great, but fine. 7/10. It has a lot of stuff I don't like in it, but so did the last two entries.
Oh helk yes
I want to be any alien I want to be a ghoul or super mutant why is that so hard!
>Huge climactic confrontation between a member of The Inquisition and Solus, the evil Elf-God of the dalish who seeks to end the world
>The inquisitor isn't present for some reason so it has to fall to side-character Varrik.
This all takes place in the prologue for some reason, not at the end of the game.
Still, what incredible dramatic moment will we have?
*Characters arguing inaudibly offscreen.*
Are you for fucking real?
Almost like it's the inciting incident of the story and not intended to be the resolution of a deliberate cliffhanger in the prior game. As if it's setting up a future confrontation in the story, or specific circumstances in order to tell a story beyond the one you already experienced. You don't leave a cliffhanger to just resolve it in five seconds in the next entry, or to dangle the resolution at the very end just cause. The story is about resolving what happens when you foil Solas's plans. The Inquisitor is /also/ searching for Solas, but elsewhere. They are also a significant international political figure, even if the Inquisition is dissolved. This is addressed later in the story, because the front is already packed with exposition to an absurd extent. They really overcorrected for newcomers, but the writing does even out after the introductory segments. Well, mostly. Unfortunately Taash and the Lords of Fortune side of the game are home to the weakest writing, which, considering the topics they decided to tackle, gives a lot of ammo to dickheads of a certain brand.
yup. im not even a dragon age fan, but i feel the same way about this game as i do for fans of mass effect when ME3 dropped. a terrible game that retcons so much lore that was built up, which means you get ZERO payoff.
@turkish8969 You don't know what you're talking about, and are defacto incorrect on both counts.
@@dancinginfernal what the hell are you talking about? mass effect 3 was re-written because of a leak. this is confirmed by EA. by default i win this non-arguement.
@@turkish8969 You can't retcon something that didn't come out. They changed the plot of the sequel, that's not a retcon that's a design change.
is Gene (Jean?) plagueofgripes?
Plague's actual name Eli, so probably not.
he's a Washington post games journalist that Pat likes a lot for some reason despite consistantly bad takes.
@@Zangelin Nah Gene's takes are pretty good. He's a chill, good natured guy.
Good game, cool that Pat likes it.
Pat has a kid, he will be argreeable with anything you put in front of him if he gets paid.
@@nonotorious1467 He literally said he's going to be playing more of this off stream.
@@stabbitystyle Good for him, that doesn't mean what i said is meaningless, he is a person that depends on being agreeable with people who might sponsor him in the future.
@@nonotorious1467it does mean what you said is meaningless. Pat isn’t going to pretend to like a game just bc he was sponsored
I’m sorry you losers can’t accept the fact the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit about your whining
@@nonotorious1467 "Whenever Pat likes the things I like he's sincere, when he likes the things I don't like he's lying"
Go watch someone more in line with your tastes instead of doing whatever the hell this is.
The tone, dialogue and character writing is about on par with andromeda and that was all I needed to hear from someone who finished it
Andromeda was way worse in all those things
@ I want to say andromeda had better companion characters, but they aren’t great. Half of them are just poor imitations of previous companions. Peebee is the only one with an arc. Liam is just… aggressively awful
@Agent_Cobalt Drax was my favorite out of all the Krogan ME squadmates. Though the other Amdromeda companions didn't really leave an impression on me.
@@Agent_Cobalt Andromeda has some of the worst companions in RPG history lmao, the Veilguard ones are just a little thin at worst.
@ They are both really bad
It’s a fun game. I don’t get the people who are butthurt about it. Glad Pat was chill too.
Because Dragon Age is one of the most beloved franchises, and it suck when new writers are ruining it like they did Mass Effect Andromeda
@@theclawyaww3740No its not. Its a franchise with one good game that aged like milk.
@@Zeronyanzero Were you moved by the gender talk sit down?
@@AF-ti7nb You mean 5 minutes of a 65 hour game?
Nobody is butthurt, at least no the people who voice lots or reasonable criticism.
It is fun, in a fun kind of way, like a fun summer movie, like some procedural series. You take a fat nice dump while playing it, it is fun, someone asks what did you do "ug-ugh its kinda fun, talked to that chick, and then that other guy, went of mission, kind of fun combat, gotta stop, look I'm old, I don't have time for this gamer stuff, this game is for me, like really fun. People dunked on Starfield last year, but that was fun, the game for me"
Game is fun, i also thought it would be dogshit and cringe but its more than good enough to me. Dialogue is coin flip cringe still but the moment to moment is enjoyable and i liked it.
@@ryanpelfrey9702 It is dogshit and cringe. Lol
57:43 So Pat has been reduced to an annoying gay boy now? Damn his true colors have shown. No wonder all he does is play videogames all day.
@@AF-ti7nb I mean playing videogames is part of his job as a online content creator.
So by your logic gay people are the only ones that video games all day? What does that make you since you come back here to watch someone play said video games? Lol
@happymate8943 i did t watch it the video. Lol I saw it on the reddit.
It's funny seeing Pat get into a game because someone told him it was trash. He's giving it an honest take and it's basically a good action rpg with terrible dialogue. But because he went in without his usual mentality, he's liking it much more then he would have other games.
Is this a meme run? or is pat actually playing the game? maybe.
He is actually playing the game. I do not know if Pat does "meme runs".
@@Dracobyte that's fair, he did do that one run on dragon's dogma 2.
Pat continues his trend of "has to know how garbage it is" like when he went to see the emoji movie
probably has to do more with gene park liking the game
@@Z50nemesishe said this LP is not only for him, but for one annoying user in the game.
@@Z50nemesis Gene cares more about the politics than the quality of the game, that's why he likes it. This is the same guy who was on Twitter trying to prop up Concord when it came out, saying there had to be something wrong with the reported player numbers because it couldn't POSSIBLY be that low. All game journos will lie through their teeth to support any game that pushes their preferred message.
@@TyrantWeskerNice conspiracy, bozo 😂
How do you people not realize how much you sound like freaks to normal functioning adults when you talk like this @@TyrantWesker
I do find it funny how the most prominent "defense" i see for this game are people saying its apparently not as bad as people claim. Rarely do i see people give thoughtful examples of moments where the game is really good
I think the gameplay is fun (at least as a mage, what I’ve been playing). The world, even with the different art style, looks great. The companions are all interesting and their side quests are good and engaging. As many have said, this game is like a 7/10, which has somehow become a crime.
To be fair the opposition also seems to generally boil down to "REEEEEEEE! DEI! TAASH! WOKE GARBAGE"
I haven't heard anyone make legit complaints about the game either.
Most normal people seem to agree that it's a good ARPG, but poor Dragon Age.
The finale is a lot of fun, reminds me of ME2 suicide mission with more going on. The cast is really good, and hte world is gorgeous. Gameplay is a blast as well. A lot of folks calling it a 7/10, but I'd lean more a strong 8. I had a lot of fun with it, but it opens with some very poor writing so a lot of folks had a bad first impression, which is unfortunate as the writing and pacing improves significantly after the opening portion.
shaking toothpicks into mic is like jingling keys in the mic and saying look at this and dont look where I want you to ignore.
what does that even mean. it's a 5 second bit in a 6 hour stream.
I actually beat this game yesterday, took me about 63 hours, finished all quests. It might not be as terrible as people say, but it's mostly just boring, dialogs are terrible, and a lot of the game was just annoying to me, not to mention calling it Dragon Age is a disgrace. Do not recommend.
That's the thing. It doesn't matter of the game looks great or has decent gameplay. It spits in the face of dragon age fans and the story itself. You shouldn't have bad writing, modern dialog, and gender politics in a fantasy based rpg. This game went downhill the moment they passed it off to that head developer and writing team.
@chriskoloski32 I actually installed Origins recently. Even just replaying the mage origin was more interesting than the majority of Veilguard.
@@chriskoloski32 tfym you shouldn't have modern politics in fantasy, you realize most fantasy based media has been based around politics of the time the story was written that the writer believes in or is actively pointing out the flaw in yes?
@@chriskoloski32
"Spit in the face of dragon age fans" :seems a bit excessive. It's just another dragon age game.
"Modern dialogue",
: what does that even mean? Are you saying its dialogue is set in modern times or is it "modern" real world slang?
"Gender politics" : I mean politics exist in stories , especially in fantasy worlds like dragon age. Gender politics can also exist to , it does have a medieval setting. Although Im confused on what your talking about, because you were talking about something completely different in your other previous comments. So I'll take a guess you don't have a clear cut main issue with the game , you're just repeating whatever crowd you're hanging out with.
As for the downfall: if you haven't kept up with dragon age development or bioware in general. Many original team members left , passing it off to the remaining staff. The team is making another dragon age because that's what EA wants.
I'll say personally the dragon age story can be tricky, because unlike mass effect their first story involving the darkspawn ended in the first game. So they have to create and new bigger threat than that while also changing the tone to a more guardians of the galaxy feel, because I'm sure EA are trying to follow trends or whatever series is most popular with young folks.
@@happymate8943 "Spit in the face of dragon age fans" :seems a bit excessive. It's just another dragon age game.
It literally deletes Ferelden (Place where Origins was taking place) Making Origins mean absolutely nothing, it's not "excessive" it's an appropriate reaction.
Marvel movies ruined writing dialogue for a generation. This game is one of the worst examples.
Eh, the marvel dialogue (so to speak) is front loaded. They turn into normal, some good, characters after the introductory sections of the game.
Oh no, I don't like this at all. Will not be purchasing.
(This is my first time seeing any Veilguard. I try not to watch trailers or read announcements and so on for games I'm interested in. I'll just treat Inquisition as my final DA game lol)
Just say you hate trans people
It's not worth playing and actively shits on everything that made Dragon Age good, probably out of spite for the actually talented writers who used to work there.
@@TyrantWeskerhow do You know it is out of despite and not just bad or different?
@@TyrantWesker Having played all 4, you are entirely wrong. It's not my favorite, but it is no way that far of a departure.
When is Pat going to get an editor to upload highlights of the stream, so it's roughly 30-40 minutes instead?
You can astroturf this game as much as you want, but you can't make it _not_ blatantly cringe to look at.
As a brit i've gotta say that you're right about Nu-Doctor Who though.
Previously he did a lot of running away, and came up with clever solutions to technobabble the aliens to death. The idea that The Doctor was someone 'scary' was subtext at best.
But then the writers started huffing their own farts now he spends a lot of time standing around jerking off about how scary his own reputation is, while being completely unarmed and unable to fight, in front of people who could kill him in a heartbeat.
he trades entirely on his plot-armour now.
Why is it cringe to look at?
Nah, it looks fine. Gorgeous in some places.
@@dancinginfernal yeah, gorgeous to a ray f**king charles maybe!
@turkish8969 No, to normal people. The vistas, textures, and such are great
@@dancinginfernal Mate we all know what dragon age looks like, this looks like a marvel game or league of legends.
Oh boy, here we go. I tried the game, I couldn't get through an hour of it. It's a husk trying to be Dragon Age that couldn't even come close to what the series used to be in it's wildest dreams. Not even just because of the woke stuff, it just isn't a Dragon Age game.
Using the word "woke" unironically, lol
@@solidswat2041how else do you describe the sickening and gross pandering of this bullshit
@@chriskoloski32 You're imagining things.
@@chriskoloski32just "a meh game".
He's right though. Lol@@solidswat2041
Pat, you don't understand. Real talk, i want my video games to measure up to literature. I want it to be nier automata or metal gear. The game feels like it talks down to you but also lokks down on you. Actual complex characters. What's wrong with that?
This is such a bad opinion, its like discrediting Star Wars or Indiana Jones as a movie
Then maybe you shouldn't play videogames and just stick to books or something.
90% of videogames were made with the mindset of "Story in videogames is like story for Porn," And only 5% of videogames hire actual writers(Max Payne, Alan Wake, FFXIV, Nier Automata, etc).
@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 Guy in armchair smoking a cigarette: "Pfft.. Super Marios writing is subpar at best"
@@MiaCulpa24those have good writing though. They are nothing like this.
@@MiaCulpa24 What are you talking about?
Please save your brain cells and don’t play this game, you don’t deserves h mental pains
I can't spoil anything because I haven't watched or played this game. But I saw some clips and a review.
And I would describe the dialogue as Dora the Explorer, or Caillou.
You'd be mistaken.
This makes Saints Row 2022 look like Disco Elysium.
Saint Wow 2022 was a lot worse. You could not Even play that game.
Did you know Asmongold is a millionaire and basically let his mother die in a cesspit home?
Anyway, that was still less ridiculous than what you said
Me and my hyperboles. Shucks.
Saints row is a worse game, but dragon age has gone the longest without a w. It was over due which is why this hurts more than saints row
Oh pat this game is a waste of time
Either way, many people and I will be there for the messy fun.
Nah, it's pretty fun.
Pat, please, have some self respect, man.
Pat has played worse titles on stream, this is hardly something new. Besides this is just streaming, not commiting a war crime.
You must be new here.
Joke all you want pat but forcing pronouns in games is stupid
What pronouns are forced?
"Forcing pronouns?" Are you for real? Proper and common nouns at all times then?
Cry more snowflake
@@adamjdavis201 You're the one crying when misgendered lmao
@@TheDoDoGuy everyone has pronouns dumbass, it came free with your language
Dragon Age: Queerguard
Well this is not the first time there is an LGBT character in the series.
@@Dracobyte Now now, you know this is the first time he's ever even thought about Dragon Age, and it's just because he was told to be mad about it, so how could he possibly know about the other games?
@@KetsuekisanMy only answer would be: by playing or just looking at a wiki / TV Tropes page.
But who knows?
I mean any game with qunari can be that given their talent/job based system of gender roles
damn sounds fun
Cant wait to see his reaction when the whole gang of wacky characters yells out "Free Palestine" as they wave their dildos around.
I am pretty sure this does not happen in game.
Pick a struggle buddy, you can't be schizophrenic AND a loser
@@DracobyteI would not be surprised if it did. Bioware have already achieved something I believed impossible by making a Dragon Age game I have zero interest in, so at this point, nothing they do would surprise me.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Free Palestine actually.