No weathering powders? They are basically soft pastel... not oil pastels ground up and you can apply as a dust or add to mediums... Vallejo makes a premade line and you can do several techniques with them
I almost never use enamel paints, but for some reason I'm very partial to the rust colored Testor's enamel paint. The slight contrast between the matte acrylics and the almost shinier enamel works to your advantage here, and it's a very nice shade.
I use Citadel Technical paints...for a metal rust, I start with a base of Leadbelcher, or other silver base paint, then I dab Citadel Technical Typhus Corrosion over the silver areas. It has a texture to it. Then I go over it sparingly with their Technical Ryza Rust. If you want it to look like oxidized bronze, instead of the Ryza Rust use Nihilakh Oxide. They make some great effects. I have also used Tamiya weathering pigments, they have a couple sets with rust effects available. A friend of mine builds dioramas and uses cinnamon as a rust effect and texture and the color is pretty close.
@@mayadawnfisher3222 I use the same technik but inbetween the Typhus Corrosion and the ryza rust i drybrush the hole rust with verminlord hide to make it much more natural.
I've used the Army Painter rust effects paint on some goblin minis to make their weapons look a little more worn. Using a stiple technique with a stiff or beat up brush works really well at creating more natural looking rust spots. Awesome video, thanks for taking the time to share all this great info.
Did you shake the Vallejo? I didn’t see you do that, because it might have settled. By the way I love your videos! Thank you for sharing what you’ve learned.
For what it's worth, the dry pigments work best by brushing the dry pigment on your surface where you want the rust streaks to be, then streaking it with the fixer.
I used the Citadel Sepia on some desert terrain I made as a wash (over Tan craft paint) and it absolutely popped. I ordered a big bottle, it's going in my 'things to go to' cabinet in the shop. Rock on, man. As always great content!
You know about classic GW way to make rust? Typhus Corrosion on base colour + dry brush by Ryza Rust. But I understand, for terrain you need more paint not like on miniatures. In my opinion working with rust effect it is a lot of practice with mixing colour from yellow to red and with a little bit darker colours to find something what you need.
The Vallejo one you used was meant not for rust. It was for engine grime, gunk and spills. I model tanks as well as mini's and this is just one of a number various engine effects that can be used. There is one specially for rust effects that is just awesome! It even gives the texture too!
I love the variety of your review Tuesdays. Even if you're not going to use rust on something just the techniques of trying different colors and materials is educational. Looks like you're helping us become chemists.
Mission, best by a fair margin. I can not wait to see how you made that amazing aged concrete look you got on your practice piece. That looks awesome. BTW, been away for a bit, but man, your beard crafting is pretty awesome too!
Best stuff I’ve found is AK-interactive “Rust Streak”.....it is an enamel based product....simply drag it down from the source of the rust. (Eg. bolt head, seam or rivet). Don’t worry about trying to blend out the edges. It will look like crap at this point. Wait for about 60min to 120min, then begin to feather the edges with White Spirit. This will then start to blend out the edges. (Remember that because it is enamel, it will stay workable for hours). I think the Spirit also breaks the edge tension and really feathers out the medium.
Hey Jeremy! Big fan of the show, its inspired me to keep making awesome terrain. I can highly recommend "Dirty Down" Rust. Its a one pot wonder for rust. It can give texture, bubbling effects, and streaks if you use it in different ways. They also make a fantastic Verdigris for corroded brass/copper. I've bought around 10 different rust effect paints so far, but I always tend to go back to the "Dirty Down" Rust.
Both Army Painter and Reaper have rust paints in their ranges that I use. They're paints, not stains, so they'd likely work more like your custom mixed paint rust.
@@JennellJaquays Well, your dungeon designs were inspirational and are constantly cited in "Top 'X' " lists. I only wish I had had access to the Judges' Guild products back in the day. Glad your still rockin' the hobby. 👍 ... and BMC rocks as well! Timely article as I'm showing my boys how to paint and rusty weapons and armour (skeletons) are next.
I would use AK interactive rust or grime colors there oil based but they work awesome , And try the pigments on dry first then wet it up after there on the model, it will work better
Crush rust colored pastel with mortar and pestle. Mix with isopropyl alcohol and scrub on piece. Alcohol evaporates quickly, leaving realistic rust look behind. My #1 rust technique.
Interesting concept that I didn’t really know I needed until this video! I imagine that the rust would also be good for also just adding some variety to the grungy aesthetic to something like a mine or deep dungeon. I’ll have to save this for later when my players get to the sewers in my (modern setting) campaign...
I'm sold on the mission models rust! I have found that adding cinnamon to rust areas over glue for texture, then flat clearing overall really sells dimension to rusty bits.
i really like the army painter rust effects paint. check it out if you can. it seems to go on a little thick but when it dries it really does look like dark, orange, crusty rust.
Oh rust _streaks_ I see Because honestly Citadel's combo of Typhus Corrosion (technic) + Ryza Rust (dry) makes the most realistic rust effect on mechanical components on minis in my opinion
good to see you wearing an apron, they make so much sense. protect you from spills and they are tougher than skin when it comes to accidentally dropped sharp objects. i always use one, but just a canvas one. I do look forward to watching your videos each week, I think its your "a job worth doing is worth doing well approach".
I use a combination of Burnt sienna and Burnt Umber paints for my rust effects by Luquitex basics. These pigments tend to be transparent and I like the variation between orange and brown rust.
Do you happen to have some Skrag Brown from the Citadel range lying around to try? It's a pretty popular color for doing rust with regular paint. Also, I haven't tried this yet, but I suspect purposefully letting the pigment separate from the binder in regular paints (by watering it down too much or just letting it sit in a wet palette to separate) could be useful for doing grainier rust effects, like maybe around nuts and bolts that are rusted over.
Favorite technique: Take a tiny amount of Burnt Umber, tap your brush on the rusted area, and then sprinkle a tiny bit of ground cinnamon on the center of the paint dab. Do not grind your own cinnamon, buy the orangish commercial stuff. The paint will be enough to glue the cinnamon in place, and will blend itself.
The mission one looked a bit too red for my tastes going down to me but in later shots looked *fantastic.* I just love the orange toned rust colors out of preference, but that and the acrylic looked great.
The rust effect that inspires me is from the KamuiCosplay channel: "For the rusting effect we bought iron powder from eBay and hydrogen peroxide (3%) form the local pharmacy. Again, it's 1 part salt, 4 parts vinegar and 6 parts peroxide (by volume)." - She uses PVA glue to apply the iron oxide powder, then sprays on the mixture of salt, vinegar and peroxide, then dabs on straight peroxide. Once it is dry, she seals it with matte finish. - - - I can see this being used for terrain, but it may be too cumbersome for miniatures.
Two of them are Spanish Products. You may also try other Spanish products from Mig, AK Interactive or Scale75. Btw, you may find products from all these brands in Spanish stores... so, if u come to Spain, don't forget visiting several stores, where you will find Green Stuff World stuff... or AK, Mig... and don't forget bringing with you an Hercules plane to transport all back home! :-)
Like most things, the colour of rust changes over time, so the different colours could be layered to show something that has been rusting for some time. 😉
No weathering powders? They are basically soft pastel... not oil pastels ground up and you can apply as a dust or add to mediums... Vallejo makes a premade line and you can do several techniques with them
Never tried this, but it might be an option to test. But I watched video awhile back where they used a bit of steel wool in a bottle with some white vinegar to make rust. When done the left over vinegar then was a rusty color and could be painted on a surface. The guy doing it was painting it on Hot Wheels cars for the Gaslands game. And they came out with a thick rust texture. However, if you ran it through some sort of filter(maybe a coffee filter?) you might get it down to just a fine pigment and vinegar mixture. But then the question is, do you want vinegar or it's smell on your work? I'll see if I can find a link to the video to drop here.
I recently subscribed to this channel and I love it! I have Zero crafting skills but you have inspred me to try. How do you make/mix your black modpodge concoction that you seem to use on all of your builds? Thanks!
I'm digging that apron, man. Lots of us need maker aprons like that. Did you get that from Amazon? If so, can you drop us a link on your essential equipment page?
Bookmark for me 9:45 pledge. 10:20 Vellio Rust colour ( orange ) 10:29 Parisite Brown ( light brown ) 10:40 Darker Brown. Just a rough starting point for my experiments.
Most items I use are listed on my essential equipment page on www.blackmagiccraft.ca with links to the products. I may not have put the shaker there yet but I have a review video with links: th-cam.com/video/5WyCCvqEkYg/w-d-xo.html
I'm an acrylic artist and recently I have wanted to start painting miniatures. Just received my first order of Wizkids Deep cuts. Am I able to use my collection of acrylic paints?
Most likely! As long as they are pigment rich and can be heavily thinned. That’s essentially what miniature paints are, high quality artist acrylics with high pigment density so the can be thinned a LOT. Acrylic craft paints for example are not a great option.
How about actual red iron oxide with the fixer? Might need a tiny bit of black oxide to get the colour looking right since both get produced. Either way it would be actual rust and they are very cheap.
Best one, fastest & most cost effective is to buy cheap acrylic (the cheaper the better) tube paints of burnt umber & burnt sienna. Apply liberally & watch as the high translucency (due to it being cheap) causes it to fade into an excellent rust layer. Apply multiple layers for greater effects Honestly, this is the best effect I've come up with for terrain. It's not suitable for miniatures, for those you'll want to stick with chipping or inks washes. If you want the most realistic effects (& have a decent budget & plenty of time) then use oil paints & smear them using iso propanol/white spirits. Rich Builds dot com has a great highly detailed tutorial on it with his builds
Keep in mind that l'm a old man and the recall isn't what it used to be. You probably answered this question but I can't remember why you mix Pledge your paint. Thank you
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial I'm always "tuned in." LOL I was just curious as to whether or not you were ascribing steel reinforced concrete to "King Arthur." 'cause that ain't happenin'. :-P You know I stay on top of your work. ;-)
Check out Marklin of Sweden’s TH-cam channel. He does rust on all kinds of material for his model train sets and terrain. He’s done it for rocky outcrops, concrete, rail cars, roofs, etc.
Hey black magic, idk if you read my message a while back... but I thought it was really cool how you are also from Canada, but I was wondering if you could give me any help/hints or tricks for a dnd campaign I’m making.. like I know what I’m going for Anyway I actually want to ask if I can message you at some point, and we can discuss amongst with one another... anyway I hope you have a great day/night (depending on what time you get this) and I hope to hear you soon...... if you have the time that is, thank you and good night on my end
What is YOUR favourite product for doing rust streaks?
I like how the Mission still had darker stains where it was first put on. Good gradient that I think sticks out the most.
No weathering powders?
They are basically soft pastel... not oil pastels ground up and you can apply as a dust or add to mediums... Vallejo makes a premade line and you can do several techniques with them
I almost never use enamel paints, but for some reason I'm very partial to the rust colored Testor's enamel paint. The slight contrast between the matte acrylics and the almost shinier enamel works to your advantage here, and it's a very nice shade.
I use Citadel Technical paints...for a metal rust, I start with a base of Leadbelcher, or other silver base paint, then I dab Citadel Technical Typhus Corrosion over the silver areas. It has a texture to it. Then I go over it sparingly with their Technical Ryza Rust. If you want it to look like oxidized bronze, instead of the Ryza Rust use Nihilakh Oxide. They make some great effects. I have also used Tamiya weathering pigments, they have a couple sets with rust effects available. A friend of mine builds dioramas and uses cinnamon as a rust effect and texture and the color is pretty close.
@@mayadawnfisher3222 I use the same technik but inbetween the Typhus Corrosion and the ryza rust i drybrush the hole rust with verminlord hide to make it much more natural.
I've used the Army Painter rust effects paint on some goblin minis to make their weapons look a little more worn. Using a stiple technique with a stiff or beat up brush works really well at creating more natural looking rust spots. Awesome video, thanks for taking the time to share all this great info.
Did you shake the Vallejo? I didn’t see you do that, because it might have settled. By the way I love your videos! Thank you for sharing what you’ve learned.
For what it's worth, the dry pigments work best by brushing the dry pigment on your surface where you want the rust streaks to be, then streaking it with the fixer.
I used the Citadel Sepia on some desert terrain I made as a wash (over Tan craft paint) and it absolutely popped. I ordered a big bottle, it's going in my 'things to go to' cabinet in the shop. Rock on, man. As always great content!
I mix pure iron oxide with elmer's glue
You know about classic GW way to make rust? Typhus Corrosion on base colour + dry brush by Ryza Rust. But I understand, for terrain you need more paint not like on miniatures. In my opinion working with rust effect it is a lot of practice with mixing colour from yellow to red and with a little bit darker colours to find something what you need.
The Vallejo one you used was meant not for rust. It was for engine grime, gunk and spills. I model tanks as well as mini's and this is just one of a number various engine effects that can be used. There is one specially for rust effects that is just awesome! It even gives the texture too!
Yes. I said all that in the video 🙂
I love the variety of your review Tuesdays. Even if you're not going to use rust on something just the techniques of trying different colors and materials is educational. Looks like you're helping us become chemists.
A current project I'm working on is an abandoned warehouse district and found this super helpful especially the pledge bit.
Oil paint is the absolute best for rust streaks. Add a small blob with a brush and using a flat brush lightly pull down from the blob.
You really do make content of a high level of crafting professionalism.
Mission, best by a fair margin. I can not wait to see how you made that amazing aged concrete look you got on your practice piece. That looks awesome. BTW, been away for a bit, but man, your beard crafting is pretty awesome too!
Best stuff I’ve found is AK-interactive “Rust Streak”.....it is an enamel based product....simply drag it down from the source of the rust. (Eg. bolt head, seam or rivet). Don’t worry about trying to blend out the edges. It will look like crap at this point.
Wait for about 60min to 120min, then begin to feather the edges with White Spirit. This will then start to blend out the edges. (Remember that because it is enamel, it will stay workable for hours).
I think the Spirit also breaks the edge tension and really feathers out the medium.
Yes. Absolutely agree
Hey Jeremy! Big fan of the show, its inspired me to keep making awesome terrain.
I can highly recommend "Dirty Down" Rust. Its a one pot wonder for rust. It can give texture, bubbling effects, and streaks if you use it in different ways. They also make a fantastic Verdigris for corroded brass/copper. I've bought around 10 different rust effect paints so far, but I always tend to go back to the "Dirty Down" Rust.
Both Army Painter and Reaper have rust paints in their ranges that I use. They're paints, not stains, so they'd likely work more like your custom mixed paint rust.
Wow! Jennel Jaquays! RPG royalty at Black Magic Craft! (assuming it really is her account, the Internet being what it is 😊)
Oh please. It is my account. BMC is one of my favorite table top crafting/maker hosts. We call it “craft porn” in my house.
@@JennellJaquays Well, your dungeon designs were inspirational and are constantly cited in "Top 'X' " lists. I only wish I had had access to the Judges' Guild products back in the day. Glad your still rockin' the hobby. 👍 ... and BMC rocks as well! Timely article as I'm showing my boys how to paint and rusty weapons and armour (skeletons) are next.
I would use AK interactive rust or grime colors there oil based but they work awesome , And try the pigments on dry first then wet it up after there on the model, it will work better
Crush rust colored pastel with mortar and pestle. Mix with isopropyl alcohol and scrub on piece. Alcohol evaporates quickly, leaving realistic rust look behind. My #1 rust technique.
Interesting concept that I didn’t really know I needed until this video! I imagine that the rust would also be good for also just adding some variety to the grungy aesthetic to something like a mine or deep dungeon. I’ll have to save this for later when my players get to the sewers in my (modern setting) campaign...
I'm sold on the mission models rust! I have found that adding cinnamon to rust areas over glue for texture, then flat clearing overall really sells dimension to rusty bits.
i really like the army painter rust effects paint. check it out if you can. it seems to go on a little thick but when it dries it really does look like dark, orange, crusty rust.
Oh rust _streaks_ I see
Because honestly Citadel's combo of Typhus Corrosion (technic) + Ryza Rust (dry) makes the most realistic rust effect on mechanical components on minis in my opinion
agreed!
good to see you wearing an apron, they make so much sense. protect you from spills and they are tougher than skin when it comes to accidentally dropped sharp objects. i always use one, but just a canvas one.
I do look forward to watching your videos each week, I think its your "a job worth doing is worth doing well approach".
You get awesome rust effects if you sprinkle ground cinnamon over superglue, great for old rusted iron doors. I haven't used it for staining though.
I use a combination of Burnt sienna and Burnt Umber paints for my rust effects by Luquitex basics. These pigments tend to be transparent and I like the variation between orange and brown rust.
I've done rust a ton of different ways but I like sepia ink mixed with blaze orange or ryza rust mixed with sepia wash and doombull brown.
Do you happen to have some Skrag Brown from the Citadel range lying around to try? It's a pretty popular color for doing rust with regular paint. Also, I haven't tried this yet, but I suspect purposefully letting the pigment separate from the binder in regular paints (by watering it down too much or just letting it sit in a wet palette to separate) could be useful for doing grainier rust effects, like maybe around nuts and bolts that are rusted over.
love the pledge idea wonder if the background you want rust on makes a difference in the look?
Favorite technique: Take a tiny amount of Burnt Umber, tap your brush on the rusted area, and then sprinkle a tiny bit of ground cinnamon on the center of the paint dab. Do not grind your own cinnamon, buy the orangish commercial stuff. The paint will be enough to glue the cinnamon in place, and will blend itself.
Interesting side by side comparison! Thanks for sharing!
Secret Weapon has a weathering line of paints that i use, give those a try.
The mission one looked a bit too red for my tastes going down to me but in later shots looked *fantastic.* I just love the orange toned rust colors out of preference, but that and the acrylic looked great.
The rust effect that inspires me is from the KamuiCosplay channel: "For the rusting effect we bought iron powder from eBay and hydrogen peroxide (3%) form the local pharmacy. Again, it's 1 part salt, 4 parts vinegar and 6 parts peroxide (by volume)." - She uses PVA glue to apply the iron oxide powder, then sprays on the mixture of salt, vinegar and peroxide, then dabs on straight peroxide. Once it is dry, she seals it with matte finish. - - - I can see this being used for terrain, but it may be too cumbersome for miniatures.
Pledge for washes. Nice idea.
If your in Canada maple airbrush supplies sell mission models paints online.
And if you live in North/Central Alberta, you can also pick up your order from Maple Airbrush Supply!
Two of them are Spanish Products. You may also try other Spanish products from Mig, AK Interactive or Scale75. Btw, you may find products from all these brands in Spanish stores... so, if u come to Spain, don't forget visiting several stores, where you will find Green Stuff World stuff... or AK, Mig... and don't forget bringing with you an Hercules plane to transport all back home! :-)
Like most things, the colour of rust changes over time, so the different colours could be layered to show something that has been rusting for some time. 😉
No weathering powders?
They are basically soft pastel... not oil pastels ground up and you can apply as a dust or add to mediums... Vallejo makes a premade line and you can do several techniques with them
“In this video I’ll only be comparing products I have on hand in my collection, there are hundreds of other great products” 🙂
I'd paint the streaks going the opposite direction. The paint tends to be the thickest at the end of the stroke.
Never tried this, but it might be an option to test. But I watched video awhile back where they used a bit of steel wool in a bottle with some white vinegar to make rust. When done the left over vinegar then was a rusty color and could be painted on a surface. The guy doing it was painting it on Hot Wheels cars for the Gaslands game. And they came out with a thick rust texture. However, if you ran it through some sort of filter(maybe a coffee filter?) you might get it down to just a fine pigment and vinegar mixture. But then the question is, do you want vinegar or it's smell on your work? I'll see if I can find a link to the video to drop here.
Found it:
th-cam.com/video/-scIyj2rzEY/w-d-xo.html
I recently subscribed to this channel and I love it! I have Zero crafting skills but you have inspred me to try. How do you make/mix your black modpodge concoction that you seem to use on all of your builds? Thanks!
He has a video on it in his catalog. it is just Mod Podge (matte) and black acrylic paint (unless he changed that like he did the wash?)
@@MonkeyJedi99 Hey thanks!
I'm digging that apron, man. Lots of us need maker aprons like that. Did you get that from Amazon? If so, can you drop us a link on your essential equipment page?
Unfortunately it was a gift so I don’t know who makes it
for the Rusteffekt is DirtyDown Rust pure magic. For Ruststreak simple use Aquarell pens in the right color ;)
Hi Black Magic! can you make an apparatus of kwalish? this rust would look great on it!
Bookmark for me
9:45 pledge.
10:20 Vellio Rust colour ( orange )
10:29 Parisite Brown ( light brown )
10:40 Darker Brown.
Just a rough starting point for my experiments.
AK Interactive is my tool of choice
I've been looking for a paint shaker / mixer. Could you let me know where you got that little device?
Thanks for the video!
Most items I use are listed on my essential equipment page on www.blackmagiccraft.ca with links to the products. I may not have put the shaker there yet but I have a review video with links: th-cam.com/video/5WyCCvqEkYg/w-d-xo.html
I'm an acrylic artist and recently I have wanted to start painting miniatures. Just received my first order of Wizkids Deep cuts. Am I able to use my collection of acrylic paints?
Most likely! As long as they are pigment rich and can be heavily thinned. That’s essentially what miniature paints are, high quality artist acrylics with high pigment density so the can be thinned a LOT. Acrylic craft paints for example are not a great option.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficialI use professional acrylics from Golden so I'm sure they will do great then. Thank you very much.
How about actual red iron oxide with the fixer? Might need a tiny bit of black oxide to get the colour looking right since both get produced. Either way it would be actual rust and they are very cheap.
Best one, fastest & most cost effective is to buy cheap acrylic (the cheaper the better) tube paints of burnt umber & burnt sienna. Apply liberally & watch as the high translucency (due to it being cheap) causes it to fade into an excellent rust layer. Apply multiple layers for greater effects
Honestly, this is the best effect I've come up with for terrain. It's not suitable for miniatures, for those you'll want to stick with chipping or inks washes.
If you want the most realistic effects (& have a decent budget & plenty of time) then use oil paints & smear them using iso propanol/white spirits. Rich Builds dot com has a great highly detailed tutorial on it with his builds
Where can I get that paint shaker?!
What about rust on metal?
I prefer Citadel Reikland fleshshade over Sepia for rust.
I like the homemade better, great stuff.
For subtle effects on models I like water colour pencils, draw it on and streak it with water. Has anyone tried it with terain ?
Ooo how’d you make that concrete texture? That would look great as a texture for a cave floor for my dnd game :)
Coming up in this Fridays video....
Black Magic Craft can’t wait :)
Keep in mind that l'm a old man and the recall isn't what it used to be. You probably answered this question but I can't remember why you mix Pledge your paint. Thank you
It acts as a flow improver.
Oils, hands down. By the way, I think you’re overestimating how visible rust streaks typically are.
Rust effects . . . on what build? A modern setting?
Guess you’ll have to tune in Friday to find out. 😃
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial I'm always "tuned in." LOL
I was just curious as to whether or not you were ascribing steel reinforced concrete to "King Arthur." 'cause that ain't happenin'. :-P
You know I stay on top of your work. ;-)
Check out Marklin of Sweden’s TH-cam channel. He does rust on all kinds of material for his model train sets and terrain. He’s done it for rocky outcrops, concrete, rail cars, roofs, etc.
new rust is orange old rust goes red/brown
Thx for experience.
You NEED to try the "Model Mates Rust Effect"! Just google it, it'll blow your mind!
Great vid I love you I've been wondering about rust
A great review! I appreciate your experimentation journey. 👍
citadel have the orange shade too. so what i usually do is mixing between sephia and that orange shade
I use raza rust , thinned to a glaze
Dig the apron.
Looking forward to this!!! Great topic
Knowing that you hungry reading "rust steaks" instead...
Folk art 2 colour rust effecr very good
A little rusty :)
Hey black magic, idk if you read my message a while back... but I thought it was really cool how you are also from Canada, but I was wondering if you could give me any help/hints or tricks for a dnd campaign I’m making.. like I know what I’m going for
Anyway I actually want to ask if I can message you at some point, and we can discuss amongst with one another... anyway I hope you have a great day/night (depending on what time you get this) and I hope to hear you soon...... if you have the time that is, thank you and good night on my end
Typhus Corrosion + Ryza Rust both from Citadel ofc.