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@@slayz5147 By all means enjoy the heck out of this game. Just stop complaining at me because this isn't an entire video saying 'OMG PENIX IS THE BEST EVER!' 🤣
Excellent breakdown Rob. Enjoyed all your previous writeups & videos on all the QBs as well as other prospects. Your last writeup on Penix was very thorough pointing out the positives & negatives. I'm sure some will go based on just your "1st" Bigboard by itself. They won't bother to read through all your previous QB writeups. They'll also forget it was quite some time ago you said you would be fine if Seattle took Penix or Rattler in the 1st Round. Or the fact you always say we have to wait until the season is over, the Senior Bowl, Combine, & Pro Days; before making a true evaluation. This is while still never knowing all the full medicals or background issues. Really hoping Ewers still comes out, the more options the better. Penix seems to have similar knocks as Stroud. Though Penix has the injury background. The Georgia game was huge for Stroud along with his throwing sessions. Obviously Texas & Michigan aren't the caliber of Georgia. Still, another big game for Penix & Good Senior Bowl, Combine & or Pro Day; should definitely help push Penix higher as well. I appreciate the honest, thorough evaluation you do. Keep up the great work and keeping it real on all levels. Will definitely be an interesting offseason.
I agree 1000 percent with you. Ive been saying pennix is a day 2 guy. Thats not a diss, hes still a really good player but this stuff about him going top 5 is absolute insanity.
I appreciate the measured and well nuanced breakdown Penix. I was wondering the unspoken x-factors as to his success and deficiencies. I wonder how he does when the pocket breaks down and when his internal clock is accelerated as the League is much much faster.
I think a lot of it is that if he goes #1 or even top 10, and the Huskies win the title, UW will have a massive recruitment advantage with QBs. People want it because theyve watched him be awesome and it would be good for the team they love. Great shit Rob. I agree with you 100% he is a good player prone to struggling under pressure. I see him as Tua with a much better arm
UW has a great O-line, but it's well established that sacks are mainly a QB stat. His low sack rate could just as easily be read as evidence of quick-processing and maneuverability.
Well watching the games, he’s sat in the pocket playing pitch and catch most weeks. No pressure. Then when the pressure came a bit more, the completion percentage dropped considerably
@@robstatonfootball Perhaps so. It would be interesting to compare the O-lines of various prospects with more advanced stats, like PBWR or time-to-pressure.
We saw strouds stock rise like crazy after the Georgia game. Stroud finally used his legs and went off. My knock on penix was that he sucked under pressure. After this game we watched him step up in the pocket and push the ball down the field with ease. Like you've been saying we need a QB. If the hawks can get him without making any trades I'd be very happy.
I do think he sustained a minor Rib injury after the Oregon game but played it off + had the flu in that ASU Stanford stretch based on what Coaches said in post game press conferences but your critiques are on point, Do you think the Offense that he is in with WA helps his playstyle be more translatable to the next level?
Hard to fairly evaluate. Penix has benefited by having great receivers and OL and a solid running back who also blocks really well. His deep accuracy is often phenomenal, but having great receiver on the other end makes that more impressive. Injuries happen to a lot of QBs and he seems fine now. No idea how big a deal being a lefty is, but as a lefty myself I'd hope it's not really an issue. Probably a high 1st round draft pick by a QB needy team just because of his upside in the most important position, especially if he plays well against Michigan which should provide his toughest test yet.
And every BAMA USC OSU QB has benefited from a great supporting cast. I don’t think it’s fair to dock him for having good players around him when we don’t mention it when talking about other QBS
Just read your article on Penix. Really intriguing stuff. From what I can glean, it seems like you're of the mind that the trends that give you pause could be rectified at the next level, given that Penix is in the right system with the right coaches to maximize his talents, à la Josh Allen and Brian Daboll?
The problem is west cost fans and evaluators have seen him play all year and this is the same guy we saw in the Texas game. What irks me is some smartass “experts” on the east coast who haven’t seen all his games making these prognostics about him based on some games in the middle of the season they didn’t watch where one game was in a rain deluge against a top 10 Oregon State team, another was against Oregon’s defense, another was against Arizona which finished in the top 20. There were a couple games where like Stanford and Washington state (which at one time was in the top 10) where those teams played tough against the Huskies for whatever reason. There were games where Washington was heavily penalized and it caused a lot of third and long situations and the offense couldn’t get going. It’s not fair to blame every down performance by the team on Penix.
Not a Husky fan, Gopher and Vikings fan that hopes we take him in the first round. I think he would fit in with our personnel very well throwing to guys like JJ, Addison, Hockenson. Your assessment well thought out and agree with it or not you’ve explained your reasons well. It’s cool that you put together this video to explain your position, but I would recommend disengaging with the comments section. If people cant handle the fact that your opinion varies from what they think then let them vent in the comments but don’t sweat it. You’re going to burn yourself out responding to everyone man.
He’s also clutch / a gamer, which should be mentioned. But yes, he was not amazing all season long. But he does step up when the time comes in a game, which teams will like.
He didn't make it to game 7 in any of his first four college seasons due to severe injuries. I would be surprised if he gets picked in the First Round. He is an incredible talent but those injuries are going to scare everyone.
Medical checks will be critical. Tua had a dislocated hip. RG3 had a torn ACL before putting 2 healthy seasons together. Bradford missed his whole year with a shoulder injury. Still went high.
I sure hope you push for him in Seattle after being so all over Richardson last year. I like Penix and he'd be a good fit with DK and JSN. Maybe better than A Rich. Can't wait for the draft content!!
Not in terms of my assessment. I’m basing it on two years of tape review, live play, being in the facility, and I’m already accounting for the huge success he’s had. So my evaluation already includes all of that stuff, getting to the playoff final is brilliant enough to acknowledge.
No, he's not the second overall, but I bet some GM is going to try and overdraft him. He has an awesome arm, makes pretty good decisions, good feet....but you cannot ignore the injury history. Even if you think that's old news and unlikely to happen again, but does it keep him from being mobile? It is going to be interesting where he goes, I expect the combine to hype him up. I have seen people comparing him to Joe Burrow in terms of raw passing, that is some high praise.
He can’t age well with those injuries. People talk about how he hasn’t gotten hurt these last few years. He’s had the best offense in college football. Now he is going to a place where everyone is bigger, faster, stronger, and no one is going to have that good a line. The injuries alone are basically a “nope” for me.
@@bretkester8316otoh....huskies fans are telling me he had some kind of injury when he was throwing in the 50% range and barely getting over the beavers....which is it folks?
I honestly don't think people watch as many qbs as they know the names. There's very little similar to their games. "Raw passing talent?" What does that even mean? The graphics comping 5 yr player in Penix to 3 yr player in mahomes saying "see the stats are similar," tell me all I need to know about how few people pay attention. Forget "watch the tape!!!" dorks. How about put on a highlight video and see the difference in players.
@@iron_bison yeah that’s an excuse for “those” fans. Why was his deep ball still on point if he was hurt? He’s got the same tendencies that he had with Indiana. Part of it is a problem with pressure.
I hope this is not Jalen Carter 2.0. The thing that gives me hope is some still think Geno Smith is the answer (he isn't) if the Seahawks want to develop a true SB contender. I would endorse a Penix pick with the idea that he would not start Week One. Like Tua, if he's needed about Week Seven, fine. But just protect your investment in Year One. Learn the game, what is needed, and give the WRs time to learn his throwing style.
Worries me too Curtis. Last thing we need is the fandom cannibalizing each other again over a prospect. With probably new coordinators to argue over, and possibly a new head coach to throw in too….
Geno ain't worth the price. If we cut Geno before next season, we shore up 14 million in cap space. I'd be fine if we can keep Lock on the cheap and draft a QB like Penix to compete for that starting spot same way Russ did in 2012. But I'd feel soooooo much better about a plan like that if we got a new, young, offensive minded coach
I am an alumni and love what he has done for the team. However he is a 2nd round pick 3rd round. He needs a lot of work with footwork his injury history.
Listen up Robert... There's no debating the facts, Penix is the top qb in this draft. You can make whatever argument you want, ohhh lsu guy he run and juke good... they played 2 D2 Schools and lost 3 games. Oh, Caleb Williams... dude paints his nails, and literally, like not exaggerating, cried in his mother's arms on national television after penix dunked on him. Penix is humble, his team mates love him. Just listen to him, or look at his demeanor after the two biggest games in his life. On the biggest stage where they were the underdogs he threw for 430 yards and took them to the title. On top of that shit he throws as good a ball as anyone else in the draft idc wtf anyone says. That ball zips out of his hand with velocity I've only seen from a few in the league.
@robstatonfootball Rob, you're smarter than that. I don't mean that as a backhanded compliment either. You're talking about things we can't ignore and need to be addressed. Character wise... you're telling me it's not concerning a grown ass man is painting his finger nails and crying with his face buried In his mom's chest ? Like hard pass man I'm not drafting that guy number 1 overall. It wasn't that long ago that Sam darnold was the destined number 1 overall pick. Honestly, the talk about him then isn't that much different than williams now. Penix can throw the ball as well or better than Daniels or Williams. That's not a husky fan opinion, that's a use your eye balls fact. To end my husky fan siren complaint , it's OK to disagree on who you'd take earlier. I don't hate you Rob 😘
@@matthewwilliams7913 No, I don't care what a player paints on his fingers or whether he shows emotion. There's no grade for that. Williams will be the #1 pick because NFL teams don't care about it either.
@robstatonfootball Interesting take Rob. Because its not like we haven't seen a weird personality with very strong notes of soft as hell go wrong when ignored. Remember that ucla kid Rosen ? People had big hopes for him completely ignored his personality red flags. What about kyler murray ? How's he doing ? Why was Tom Brady the best ? The mental aspect of your build matters. If it didn't JaMarcus Russell would have 7 rings
Here's my honest take: His draft grade **WONT** stay as a 2nd round grade. The whole "draft process" will probably make it rise, even if he loses the Natty.
My problem with your take is that you are cherry picking the games in which Penix played "poorly" (I use this term loosely and relatively, his only real bad game was against ASU when the whole team had the flu) to knock him and dismiss truly insane performances like against Oregon (both games this year and last year), Texas, USC, MSU, Cal, etc. You could say the exact same thing about Caleb Williams and his performances against Notre Dame and Utah. Or Drake Maye vs South Carolina, Clemson, or NC State. If someone watches Drake Maye and Penix play and honestly believes Drake Maye is a better player, they simply don't know ball. And yet, there is no doubt in my mind that Caleb Williams is going to go number one overall, and Maye not long after. My point is that you can cherry pick specific games/plays to make any player look good or bad. To get an accurate view of them you need to look at their body of work in its entirety, and you don't lead the power 5 in passing 2 years in a row as Penix has without being an outstanding quarterback worth considering taking very early. Even at Indiana, he elevated some otherwise pretty pedestrian teams to an unprecedented level. He did not have an amazing offensive line or stud receivers like Odunze/McMillan/Polk, so I don't like your argument that he's succeeding because of the team around him (though you're right that that certainly helps and teams need to account for it while evaluating him). We have seen a mediocre Indiana team become very good under him, and a talented but dreadfully unproductive offense at UW become the best in the country with him at QB. You make a good point about it being silly for some people changing their opinion of him based off of only the Texas performance, and I completely agree with that. Evaluating players based off singular performances is foolish. I also agree that he should not be drafted in the top 3-5. I have believed since the start of last year that Penix has top 5 pick talent, while also believing that he was a risky pick due to his injury history, which will prevent him from being taken that early. He is however far, far too good to slide into the second round regardless of what happens against Michigan in the national championship game (unless his performance is truly dreadful, which would be very surprising to me). The Texas game has done nothing to change that opinion for me. In reality I think he will go in the mid first because he has immense arm talent, great accuracy, reads the field very well, and has good pocket presence, but also needs a good offensive line and receivers to be a top tier quarterback, which teams in the bottom of the league generally don't have. But I don't see any reason why he cant be a great NFL QB in the right landing spot; he has all the traits that scouts look for in addition to unparalleled production. I actually think that Seattle is a natural landing spot for him for that reason, as long as we can improve the IOL in the offseason as well, and I would be thrilled if we took him with our first round pick.
I didn't even say he played poorly in any game. I pointed out issues in certain games, highlighted statistical data to emphasise my point, as part of a broad review.
@@robstatonfootball you didn't, but you emphasized that there was a stretch of games in the middle of the season where his completion percentage was down and he was missing his targets more. That's true, but its normal for QBs to have fluctuating stats and performances. If you look at his overall body of work both this year and previous years, his film and production are outstanding. You seem to agree with me that he has awesome traits in the video, and the production is undeniable, so im having a hard time seeing why you are so low on him as a prospect. I don't see anything except for the injuries that suggest to me he won't be a very good QB on the right team.
@@sirrobin8998 It is not usual to have eight games where your completion percentage drops 15% on average compared to the first five games, and your PFF grade drops 20 points. This is perfectly fair to raise and discuss why. This is what I talk about in the video -- as soon as you bring nuance and discuss pro's and con's, people start complaining. I haven't got time for angry Husky fans.
@@robstatonfootball I think its important to look at the quality of defenses he was playing against during that stretch. Oregon, Utah, and OSU all have strong defenses, certainly better than Cal/MSU/Boise state. If you play better defenses you will have worse stats, that is natural. Additionally, even during that stretch, he was playing at a very high level, just not compared to the start of the year which was so dominant that it was unsustainable. I also just want to say, i am not angry. I just respectfully disagree with your analysis and a lot of the points in your video and am trying to explain why. It's ok to have different opinions and you don't need to call people who respectfully disagree with you angry, that's not the way to convince me I'm wrong or make me believe you're arguing in good faith.
Michael Penix is a lefty Geno Smith with more arm talent. He’s in an incredibly protected system and struggles to make plays without his feet set. But if you put him in the right system, he could flourish. But he’s not a player you build around like Caleb
People act like Geno wasn’t amazing in college and doesn’t have great arm talent. He struggles with decisions under pressure and pocket mobility Guess who else that describes?
@@67Plushalso, they are both 6’3” and only 8 lbs apart. And put “non-blue blood” teams into national spotlight. Man, Geno had better numbers in fewer games too now that I’m looking….
I think fixing the OL is the top priority in FA & Draft. If we can't pay for a top RG or RT (so that we can use chronic knee Abe Lucas as a v good backup). We need to draft a RT in rd 1. U need 3 OT's to win SB's & in a 17 game season (soon to be 18 games as per Florio & Peter King), u have to have strong depth in both trenches. Look how a good OL made CJ Stroud look great & how a weak OL got B Young bashed up. Geno is a top 10 QB according to Orlovsky Aikman Mel Kiper Kurt Warner & many others. Priority is trenches boys. A 3rd gr8 draft & FA wins 2 SB's in a row in Feb 2025 & 2026. Trade away or pay cut Diggs Adams Uchenna Mone Dissly as big bucks on IR is no good. Dont change Genos contract as he is in a great groove after surviving 4 near IR injuries due to running 4 his life from pass rush via our leaky iOL. CANT WAIT 3 Robs draft vids
Agree with a lot of what you say Rob but I'm not sure why you're being so negative on him can't you just enjoy him for what he is no one is claiming he's going to be the second coming
He wasn’t negative at all…. Just talking about him as a draft prospect. In terms of the Seahawks, what is there to be enjoying? He’s a prospect. The Huskies aren’t tied to them. This is why I don’t want Seattle to draft him. Husky fans will ruin the kid. And they can’t be realistic.
I'm getting really fed up with this constant talk of negativity, positivity, it's such a 21st Century binary concept, fueled by populism and social media. Back in the day, any discussion around, almost anything really, had pros and cons and the goal was to be objective in ones appraisal.
I think fixing the OL is the top priority in FS & Draft. If we can't pay for a top RG or RT (so that we can use chronic knee Abe Lucas as a v good nackup). U need 3 OT's ro win SB's & in a 17 game season (soon to be 18 games as per Florio & Peter King), u have to have strong depth in both trenches. Look how a good OL.made CJ Stroud look great & how a weak OL got B Ypung bashed up. Geno is a top 10 QB according to Orlovsky Aikman Mel Kiper Kurt Warner & many others. Priority is trenches boys. A 3rd gr8 draft & FA wins 2 SB's in a row. Trade away or pay cut Diggs Adams Uchenna Mone Dissly as big bucks on IR is no good. Dont change Genos contract as he is in a great groove after surviving 4 near IR injuries due to running 4 his life from pass rush via our leaky iOL. CANT WAIT 3 Robs draft vids.
Penix is a second round pick, he's better then Geno when he came out of college. Should be a starter 1/2 way through the season. The seahawks should definitely draft him. That gives them control for the next 4-5 years.
They’ll be talking about him as the #1 overall pick if he plays well and beats Michigan. He makes tremendous downfield throws and you’re acting like they aren’t. CJ Stroud had amazing wide receivers as well.
Stroud also did it and called the plays himself against one of the best defenses in recent memory. Penix plays in a friendly system and did it against Texas. And Michigan is a good, not great defense. Context matters. He’s not Caleb Williams. Or Maye. Or Daniels. Or Rattler. Rob has also talked about how amazing his deep throws are. I’d try finishing the video or reading the article first.
C'mon Rob, don't dig in on this one. Your evaluation of him as a 3rd round pick was just off. He's a top 15 pick at worst, probably top 10. And a 60% completion percentage 20 years ago would have made him an all-time great. Your analysis is usually great, but you can get entrenched on guys sometime. I used to think his ceiling was Tua. Now I think his floor is Tua. Lots of teams are going to see it that way. I'd love if the Seahawks got Penix or Rattler. Either way, just put him in the 1st round on your board and let's move on.
I don’t think he’s going to move him up just because a random comment thinks so… I would mention maybe watching his tape from an NFL mindset, including Indiana. See the same problems still there. Or take off the purple glasses. He probably will go in the first. Probably should. But him getting lifted THIS high after one game? People are making him sound generational or sure-fire, can’t miss….
Entrenched? Did you read all his past QB articles, as well as the previous write ups on the Bigboard and players on it? When he put Penix as a 3rd round pick, & said he could easily go high 2nd. It was also his 1st big board which always changes. He even mentioned that. Rob said his grades would change after the season, Senior Bowl, Combine, & Pro Days. He also said he would be fine with Seattle taking Penix in the 1st round. I haven't seen or heard anything that different from what he's been saying. Obviously, age, injury, & scheme matter; as well as the players around him. It's a well layed out analysis that he's written. Rob also isn't even close to putting out his final Bigboard. It seems your judgment is purely on his 1st Big Board alone; not previous videos & write ups. Just like last year, Rob's final Bigboard & thoughts had Stroud, Richardson, Levis, then Young in that order. Things change. I'm expecting quite a few new players added &; others with changed round grades, when he posts his final board. The fact he said he'd be fine with Seattle taking Penix in the 1st quite some time ago says plenty. That was before the Texas game with all the fanfare. It would also mean the Hawks were fine with his medicals. He also said he'd be fine with them taking Rattler in the 1st round. It sounds more like your Entrenched on only going based on his 1st Bigboard; not anything else he's written or talked about on the subject. However, like you I'd be fine with Penix or Rattler in the 1st. Ironically, Rob stated this long ago in his references to Penix & Rattler. His "1st" Bigboard might not reflect that opinion, but his words definitely have.
Huskies fan has entered the chat. So penix is better than Geno was in college? Because Geno was a 2nd rounder. And one of them was the more prolific qb...and it's not Penix
Husky fans, just stop 🤦♂
stop what the seahawks suck, the mariners suck, the sonics are gone and who watches soccer or hockey unless you really like it. its all we have let us have this😭
@@slayz5147 By all means enjoy the heck out of this game. Just stop complaining at me because this isn't an entire video saying 'OMG PENIX IS THE BEST EVER!' 🤣
@@robstatonfootballYou’re from the UK. Do you really know American football?
@@NothingButSiliconehe actually does. Do you? Start with the general rules and you’ll get it 👍
Michael Pennix Jr. Is the truth and nothing but the truth. Whichever team that passes on him will be making a big mistake!!!
Rob, I like how you always speak your mind and it serves you and the viewers of this channel well. Congrats.
Thanks John, that’s a really generous super like and I really appreciate it!
Appreciate the well thought out and presented opinion/breakdown Rob. With that arm, I'll be shocked if he's not top 15.
Excellent breakdown Rob. Enjoyed all your previous writeups & videos on all the QBs as well as other prospects.
Your last writeup on Penix was very thorough pointing out the positives & negatives.
I'm sure some will go based on just your "1st" Bigboard by itself. They won't bother to read through all your previous QB writeups.
They'll also forget it was quite some time ago you said you would be fine if Seattle took Penix or Rattler in the 1st Round.
Or the fact you always say we have to wait until the season is over, the Senior Bowl, Combine, & Pro Days; before making a true evaluation.
This is while still never knowing all the full medicals or background issues.
Really hoping Ewers still comes out, the more options the better.
Penix seems to have similar knocks as Stroud. Though Penix has the injury background. The Georgia game was huge for Stroud along with his throwing sessions.
Obviously Texas & Michigan aren't the caliber of Georgia.
Still, another big game for Penix & Good Senior Bowl, Combine & or Pro Day; should definitely help push Penix higher as well.
I appreciate the honest, thorough evaluation you do.
Keep up the great work and keeping it real on all levels.
Will definitely be an interesting offseason.
I agree 1000 percent with you. Ive been saying pennix is a day 2 guy. Thats not a diss, hes still a really good player but this stuff about him going top 5 is absolute insanity.
I appreciate the measured and well nuanced breakdown Penix. I was wondering the unspoken x-factors as to his success and deficiencies. I wonder how he does when the pocket breaks down and when his internal clock is accelerated as the League is much much faster.
thanks for the analysis
I think a lot of it is that if he goes #1 or even top 10, and the Huskies win the title, UW will have a massive recruitment advantage with QBs. People want it because theyve watched him be awesome and it would be good for the team they love. Great shit Rob. I agree with you 100% he is a good player prone to struggling under pressure. I see him as Tua with a much better arm
UW has a great O-line, but it's well established that sacks are mainly a QB stat. His low sack rate could just as easily be read as evidence of quick-processing and maneuverability.
Well watching the games, he’s sat in the pocket playing pitch and catch most weeks. No pressure. Then when the pressure came a bit more, the completion percentage dropped considerably
@@robstatonfootball Perhaps so. It would be interesting to compare the O-lines of various prospects with more advanced stats, like PBWR or time-to-pressure.
@@zanebrantor just watch the tape of them. It’s easy to see.
We saw strouds stock rise like crazy after the Georgia game. Stroud finally used his legs and went off. My knock on penix was that he sucked under pressure. After this game we watched him step up in the pocket and push the ball down the field with ease. Like you've been saying we need a QB. If the hawks can get him without making any trades I'd be very happy.
I just read your article.... Great point with the Stroud comparison.
The "he sucks under pressure" are for supremely good defensive lines like Utah and Oregon State. They would have been great anywhere in the country.
He literally thrives under pressure, that's what he's lauded about.
@@shazmagoon I'm not talking about game time pressure. I'm talking about getting pressured from the defense.
@@dicktipton5912 Don't get to sassy with me there girlfriend. I didn't look at the numbers. Just what I saw when I watched him
I do think he sustained a minor Rib injury after the Oregon game but played it off + had the flu in that ASU Stanford stretch based on what Coaches said in post game press conferences but your critiques are on point, Do you think the Offense that he is in with WA helps his playstyle be more translatable to the next level?
Hard to fairly evaluate. Penix has benefited by having great receivers and OL and a solid running back who also blocks really well. His deep accuracy is often phenomenal, but having great receiver on the other end makes that more impressive. Injuries happen to a lot of QBs and he seems fine now. No idea how big a deal being a lefty is, but as a lefty myself I'd hope it's not really an issue. Probably a high 1st round draft pick by a QB needy team just because of his upside in the most important position, especially if he plays well against Michigan which should provide his toughest test yet.
And every BAMA USC OSU QB has benefited from a great supporting cast. I don’t think it’s fair to dock him for having good players around him when we don’t mention it when talking about other QBS
Just read your article on Penix. Really intriguing stuff. From what I can glean, it seems like you're of the mind that the trends that give you pause could be rectified at the next level, given that Penix is in the right system with the right coaches to maximize his talents, à la Josh Allen and Brian Daboll?
Robs been saying this for two years. Praising penix but stating the tiniest concerns
The problem is west cost fans and evaluators have seen him play all year and this is the same guy we saw in the Texas game. What irks me is some smartass “experts” on the east coast who haven’t seen all his games making these prognostics about him based on some games in the middle of the season they didn’t watch where one game was in a rain deluge against a top 10 Oregon State team, another was against Oregon’s defense, another was against Arizona which finished in the top 20. There were a couple games where like Stanford and Washington state (which at one time was in the top 10) where those teams played tough against the Huskies for whatever reason. There were games where Washington was heavily penalized and it caused a lot of third and long situations and the offense couldn’t get going. It’s not fair to blame every down performance by the team on Penix.
Well done. I think his medicals might be a big key for him.
I like this analysis. Kinda sounds like all the same environment that QBs need to win in the NFL.
Not a Husky fan, Gopher and Vikings fan that hopes we take him in the first round. I think he would fit in with our personnel very well throwing to guys like JJ, Addison, Hockenson. Your assessment well thought out and agree with it or not you’ve explained your reasons well. It’s cool that you put together this video to explain your position, but I would recommend disengaging with the comments section. If people cant handle the fact that your opinion varies from what they think then let them vent in the comments but don’t sweat it. You’re going to burn yourself out responding to everyone man.
I think you guys have the offensive-minded head coach for him. I’d be happy watching him succeed for you guys.
He’s also clutch / a gamer, which should be mentioned. But yes, he was not amazing all season long. But he does step up when the time comes in a game, which teams will like.
He didn't make it to game 7 in any of his first four college seasons due to severe injuries. I would be surprised if he gets picked in the First Round. He is an incredible talent but those injuries are going to scare everyone.
Medical checks will be critical. Tua had a dislocated hip. RG3 had a torn ACL before putting 2 healthy seasons together. Bradford missed his whole year with a shoulder injury. Still went high.
I sure hope you push for him in Seattle after being so all over Richardson last year. I like Penix and he'd be a good fit with DK and JSN. Maybe better than A Rich. Can't wait for the draft content!!
I’ll just be happy if he wins us a National Championship!
If he does the same thing vs Michigan does that change anything?
Not in terms of my assessment. I’m basing it on two years of tape review, live play, being in the facility, and I’m already accounting for the huge success he’s had. So my evaluation already includes all of that stuff, getting to the playoff final is brilliant enough to acknowledge.
@@robstatonfootball I agree with most of your points. I just feel arm talent like his can’t be taught, while most of his deficiencies can
@@robstatonfootball but your evaluation on C.J Stroud changed dramatically after that Final last year , didn't it?
A lot of these comments in the coming months should start....."my name is so and so and I am a huskies fan....." then fill in your thoughts.
His problem is that he's injury prone. He's good, great passing, but gets injured
Tbf he hasn't been out with injuries the last 2 seasons, Obviously the red flags are there
No, he's not the second overall, but I bet some GM is going to try and overdraft him. He has an awesome arm, makes pretty good decisions, good feet....but you cannot ignore the injury history. Even if you think that's old news and unlikely to happen again, but does it keep him from being mobile? It is going to be interesting where he goes, I expect the combine to hype him up. I have seen people comparing him to Joe Burrow in terms of raw passing, that is some high praise.
He can’t age well with those injuries. People talk about how he hasn’t gotten hurt these last few years. He’s had the best offense in college football. Now he is going to a place where everyone is bigger, faster, stronger, and no one is going to have that good a line.
The injuries alone are basically a “nope” for me.
@@bretkester8316otoh....huskies fans are telling me he had some kind of injury when he was throwing in the 50% range and barely getting over the beavers....which is it folks?
I honestly don't think people watch as many qbs as they know the names. There's very little similar to their games. "Raw passing talent?" What does that even mean? The graphics comping 5 yr player in Penix to 3 yr player in mahomes saying "see the stats are similar," tell me all I need to know about how few people pay attention. Forget "watch the tape!!!" dorks. How about put on a highlight video and see the difference in players.
@@iron_bison yeah that’s an excuse for “those” fans. Why was his deep ball still on point if he was hurt? He’s got the same tendencies that he had with Indiana. Part of it is a problem with pressure.
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Depending on medicals hes a top 15 pick.
I hope this is not Jalen Carter 2.0. The thing that gives me hope is some still think Geno Smith is the answer (he isn't) if the Seahawks want to develop a true SB contender. I would endorse a Penix pick with the idea that he would not start Week One. Like Tua, if he's needed about Week Seven, fine. But just protect your investment in Year One. Learn the game, what is needed, and give the WRs time to learn his throwing style.
Probably need someone closer to Mike McDaniels than Waldron/nate.
Worries me too Curtis. Last thing we need is the fandom cannibalizing each other again over a prospect. With probably new coordinators to argue over, and possibly a new head coach to throw in too….
We will have to see about the medicals
Geno ain't worth the price. If we cut Geno before next season, we shore up 14 million in cap space. I'd be fine if we can keep Lock on the cheap and draft a QB like Penix to compete for that starting spot same way Russ did in 2012. But I'd feel soooooo much better about a plan like that if we got a new, young, offensive minded coach
The defining characteristic of a Rob Staton player review? Intelligence and judgement.
Appreciate the M's hat
I am an alumni and love what he has done for the team. However he is a 2nd round pick 3rd round. He needs a lot of work with footwork his injury history.
Listen up Robert... There's no debating the facts, Penix is the top qb in this draft. You can make whatever argument you want, ohhh lsu guy he run and juke good... they played 2 D2 Schools and lost 3 games. Oh, Caleb Williams... dude paints his nails, and literally, like not exaggerating, cried in his mother's arms on national television after penix dunked on him.
Penix is humble, his team mates love him. Just listen to him, or look at his demeanor after the two biggest games in his life. On the biggest stage where they were the underdogs he threw for 430 yards and took them to the title. On top of that shit he throws as good a ball as anyone else in the draft idc wtf anyone says. That ball zips out of his hand with velocity I've only seen from a few in the league.
Husky fan complaining siren
@robstatonfootball Rob, you're smarter than that. I don't mean that as a backhanded compliment either.
You're talking about things we can't ignore and need to be addressed. Character wise... you're telling me it's not concerning a grown ass man is painting his finger nails and crying with his face buried In his mom's chest ? Like hard pass man I'm not drafting that guy number 1 overall.
It wasn't that long ago that Sam darnold was the destined number 1 overall pick. Honestly, the talk about him then isn't that much different than williams now.
Penix can throw the ball as well or better than Daniels or Williams. That's not a husky fan opinion, that's a use your eye balls fact.
To end my husky fan siren complaint , it's OK to disagree on who you'd take earlier. I don't hate you Rob 😘
@@matthewwilliams7913 No, I don't care what a player paints on his fingers or whether he shows emotion. There's no grade for that. Williams will be the #1 pick because NFL teams don't care about it either.
@robstatonfootball Interesting take Rob. Because its not like we haven't seen a weird personality with very strong notes of soft as hell go wrong when ignored. Remember that ucla kid Rosen ? People had big hopes for him completely ignored his personality red flags. What about kyler murray ? How's he doing ?
Why was Tom Brady the best ? The mental aspect of your build matters. If it didn't JaMarcus Russell would have 7 rings
Here's my honest take: His draft grade **WONT** stay as a 2nd round grade. The whole "draft process" will probably make it rise, even if he loses the Natty.
My problem with your take is that you are cherry picking the games in which Penix played "poorly" (I use this term loosely and relatively, his only real bad game was against ASU when the whole team had the flu) to knock him and dismiss truly insane performances like against Oregon (both games this year and last year), Texas, USC, MSU, Cal, etc. You could say the exact same thing about Caleb Williams and his performances against Notre Dame and Utah. Or Drake Maye vs South Carolina, Clemson, or NC State. If someone watches Drake Maye and Penix play and honestly believes Drake Maye is a better player, they simply don't know ball. And yet, there is no doubt in my mind that Caleb Williams is going to go number one overall, and Maye not long after. My point is that you can cherry pick specific games/plays to make any player look good or bad. To get an accurate view of them you need to look at their body of work in its entirety, and you don't lead the power 5 in passing 2 years in a row as Penix has without being an outstanding quarterback worth considering taking very early. Even at Indiana, he elevated some otherwise pretty pedestrian teams to an unprecedented level. He did not have an amazing offensive line or stud receivers like Odunze/McMillan/Polk, so I don't like your argument that he's succeeding because of the team around him (though you're right that that certainly helps and teams need to account for it while evaluating him). We have seen a mediocre Indiana team become very good under him, and a talented but dreadfully unproductive offense at UW become the best in the country with him at QB.
You make a good point about it being silly for some people changing their opinion of him based off of only the Texas performance, and I completely agree with that. Evaluating players based off singular performances is foolish. I also agree that he should not be drafted in the top 3-5. I have believed since the start of last year that Penix has top 5 pick talent, while also believing that he was a risky pick due to his injury history, which will prevent him from being taken that early. He is however far, far too good to slide into the second round regardless of what happens against Michigan in the national championship game (unless his performance is truly dreadful, which would be very surprising to me). The Texas game has done nothing to change that opinion for me. In reality I think he will go in the mid first because he has immense arm talent, great accuracy, reads the field very well, and has good pocket presence, but also needs a good offensive line and receivers to be a top tier quarterback, which teams in the bottom of the league generally don't have. But I don't see any reason why he cant be a great NFL QB in the right landing spot; he has all the traits that scouts look for in addition to unparalleled production. I actually think that Seattle is a natural landing spot for him for that reason, as long as we can improve the IOL in the offseason as well, and I would be thrilled if we took him with our first round pick.
You’re a Husky fan, aren’t you?
I didn't even say he played poorly in any game. I pointed out issues in certain games, highlighted statistical data to emphasise my point, as part of a broad review.
@@robstatonfootball you didn't, but you emphasized that there was a stretch of games in the middle of the season where his completion percentage was down and he was missing his targets more. That's true, but its normal for QBs to have fluctuating stats and performances. If you look at his overall body of work both this year and previous years, his film and production are outstanding. You seem to agree with me that he has awesome traits in the video, and the production is undeniable, so im having a hard time seeing why you are so low on him as a prospect. I don't see anything except for the injuries that suggest to me he won't be a very good QB on the right team.
@@sirrobin8998 It is not usual to have eight games where your completion percentage drops 15% on average compared to the first five games, and your PFF grade drops 20 points. This is perfectly fair to raise and discuss why. This is what I talk about in the video -- as soon as you bring nuance and discuss pro's and con's, people start complaining. I haven't got time for angry Husky fans.
@@robstatonfootball I think its important to look at the quality of defenses he was playing against during that stretch. Oregon, Utah, and OSU all have strong defenses, certainly better than Cal/MSU/Boise state. If you play better defenses you will have worse stats, that is natural. Additionally, even during that stretch, he was playing at a very high level, just not compared to the start of the year which was so dominant that it was unsustainable.
I also just want to say, i am not angry. I just respectfully disagree with your analysis and a lot of the points in your video and am trying to explain why. It's ok to have different opinions and you don't need to call people who respectfully disagree with you angry, that's not the way to convince me I'm wrong or make me believe you're arguing in good faith.
The talking heads always have it wrong. Jayden Daniels is QB1 this year, not close.
Caleb Williams will go before him
Michael Penix is a lefty Geno Smith with more arm talent. He’s in an incredibly protected system and struggles to make plays without his feet set.
But if you put him in the right system, he could flourish. But he’s not a player you build around like Caleb
These players are not alike not even kinda alike.
@@shankdiddy9045 great argument. Except they are extremely similar lol
Feel free to provide actual context whenever you’re ready
@@shankdiddy9045w/o looking.....where did Geno go to college? How many years was he a starter? And his stat line?
People act like Geno wasn’t amazing in college and doesn’t have great arm talent. He struggles with decisions under pressure and pocket mobility
Guess who else that describes?
@@67Plushalso, they are both 6’3” and only 8 lbs apart.
And put “non-blue blood” teams into national spotlight.
Man, Geno had better numbers in fewer games too now that I’m looking….
I think fixing the OL is the top priority in FA & Draft. If we can't pay for a top RG or RT (so that we can use chronic knee Abe Lucas as a v good backup). We need to draft a RT in rd 1. U need 3 OT's to win SB's & in a 17 game season (soon to be 18 games as per Florio & Peter King), u have to have strong depth in both trenches.
Look how a good OL made CJ Stroud look great & how a weak OL got B Young bashed up.
Geno is a top 10 QB according to Orlovsky Aikman Mel Kiper Kurt Warner & many others. Priority is trenches boys. A 3rd gr8 draft & FA wins 2 SB's in a row in Feb 2025 & 2026.
Trade away or pay cut Diggs Adams Uchenna Mone Dissly as big bucks on IR is no good. Dont change Genos contract as he is in a great groove after surviving 4 near IR injuries due to running 4 his life from pass rush via our leaky iOL.
CANT WAIT 3 Robs draft vids
Agree with a lot of what you say Rob but I'm not sure why you're being so negative on him can't you just enjoy him for what he is no one is claiming he's going to be the second coming
He wasn’t negative at all…. Just talking about him as a draft prospect.
In terms of the Seahawks, what is there to be enjoying? He’s a prospect. The Huskies aren’t tied to them.
This is why I don’t want Seattle to draft him. Husky fans will ruin the kid. And they can’t be realistic.
Its a draft site talking about draftable players. Enjoy him for what he is fine. But if Seattle wants to draft him better to hash out pros and cons.
I'm getting really fed up with this constant talk of negativity, positivity, it's such a 21st Century binary concept, fueled by populism and social media. Back in the day, any discussion around, almost anything really, had pros and cons and the goal was to be objective in ones appraisal.
How was this negative 😂😂😂
I respect Robs views on QB rooks v v much. Do dont bash Rob OK 12s.
I think fixing the OL is the top priority in FS & Draft. If we can't pay for a top RG or RT (so that we can use chronic knee Abe Lucas as a v good nackup). U need 3 OT's ro win SB's & in a 17 game season (soon to be 18 games as per Florio & Peter King), u have to have strong depth in both trenches. Look how a good OL.made CJ Stroud look great & how a weak OL got B Ypung bashed up. Geno is a top 10 QB according to Orlovsky Aikman Mel Kiper Kurt Warner & many others. Priority is trenches boys. A 3rd gr8 draft & FA wins 2 SB's in a row. Trade away or pay cut Diggs Adams Uchenna Mone Dissly as big bucks on IR is no good. Dont change Genos contract as he is in a great groove after surviving 4 near IR injuries due to running 4 his life from pass rush via our leaky iOL.
CANT WAIT 3 Robs draft vids.
Penix is a second round pick, he's better then Geno when he came out of college. Should be a starter 1/2 way through the season. The seahawks should definitely draft him. That gives them control for the next 4-5 years.
Why not Daniels? Why not maye? Maybe ewers, rattler,.....
They’ll be talking about him as the #1 overall pick if he plays well and beats Michigan. He makes tremendous downfield throws and you’re acting like they aren’t. CJ Stroud had amazing wide receivers as well.
Stroud also did it and called the plays himself against one of the best defenses in recent memory.
Penix plays in a friendly system and did it against Texas. And Michigan is a good, not great defense. Context matters. He’s not Caleb Williams. Or Maye. Or Daniels. Or Rattler.
Rob has also talked about how amazing his deep throws are. I’d try finishing the video or reading the article first.
Another reply from someone who clearly hasn’t listened and/or can’t accept anything other than 100% praise of Michael Penix. So predictable.
@@bretkester8316 What are you talking about? Michigan is #1 in total defense.
@@bretkester8316 #1 in scoring defense
@@brotherk57 how do they compare to last year’s Georgia team? Not in the ballpark
Spencer rattler is no good
Incorrect.
C'mon Rob, don't dig in on this one. Your evaluation of him as a 3rd round pick was just off. He's a top 15 pick at worst, probably top 10. And a 60% completion percentage 20 years ago would have made him an all-time great. Your analysis is usually great, but you can get entrenched on guys sometime. I used to think his ceiling was Tua. Now I think his floor is Tua. Lots of teams are going to see it that way. I'd love if the Seahawks got Penix or Rattler. Either way, just put him in the 1st round on your board and let's move on.
I don’t think he’s going to move him up just because a random comment thinks so…
I would mention maybe watching his tape from an NFL mindset, including Indiana. See the same problems still there. Or take off the purple glasses.
He probably will go in the first. Probably should. But him getting lifted THIS high after one game? People are making him sound generational or sure-fire, can’t miss….
20 years ago?....that's a fairly odd data point.
Entrenched?
Did you read all his past QB articles, as well as the previous write ups on the Bigboard and players on it?
When he put Penix as a 3rd round pick, & said he could easily go high 2nd.
It was also his 1st big board which always changes. He even mentioned that.
Rob said his grades would change after the season, Senior Bowl, Combine, & Pro Days.
He also said he would be fine with Seattle taking Penix in the 1st round.
I haven't seen or heard anything that different from what he's been saying.
Obviously, age, injury, & scheme matter; as well as the players around him.
It's a well layed out analysis that he's written.
Rob also isn't even close to putting out his final Bigboard.
It seems your judgment is purely on his 1st Big Board alone; not previous videos & write ups.
Just like last year, Rob's final Bigboard & thoughts had Stroud, Richardson, Levis, then Young in that order. Things change.
I'm expecting quite a few new players added &; others with changed round grades, when he posts his final board.
The fact he said he'd be fine with Seattle taking Penix in the 1st quite some time ago says plenty.
That was before the Texas game with all the fanfare. It would also mean the Hawks were fine with his medicals.
He also said he'd be fine with them taking Rattler in the 1st round.
It sounds more like your Entrenched on only going based on his 1st Bigboard; not anything else he's written or talked about on the subject.
However, like you I'd be fine with Penix or Rattler in the 1st.
Ironically, Rob stated this long ago in his references to Penix & Rattler.
His "1st" Bigboard might not reflect that opinion, but his words definitely have.
So many people don’t get how this works
If you say injuries, fair enough. If you start saying he’s protected and is a second day pick-stop talking about football.
Exactly. Because that is spot on and probably not debatable, with him being EXTREMELY well protected and possibly a second round pick.
Huskies fan has entered the chat. So penix is better than Geno was in college? Because Geno was a 2nd rounder. And one of them was the more prolific qb...and it's not Penix
@@iron_bisonmy original comment was going to be “ah, husky fan, aren’t you?”
Well watch the video. Don’t understand people commenting before watching
Huh, funny how things come full circle. Sounds like rob Staton knows football and you don't know ship. Haha seattle football sucks