Wait until you discover they weren't the first to visit America. Just as when Lief Erikson was about to explore Newfoundland for the very first time, the Polynesians were already doing trade with the West Coast Native Americans and may have been doing so for at least a hundred years beforehand. 😊
@@Smokin_Phat_Dabs Recent genetic studies have also suggested that some eastern Polynesian populations have admixture from coastal western South American peoples, with an estimated date of contact around 1200 CE. That is 200 years AFTER the Vikings.
@pappelg2639 Only according to what has been found thus far because little as you know, the Polynesians left mainland Indonesia 1,300 years before the birth of Jesus Christ himself. That's to say, they have been sailing the open seas for well over 3,300 years. Chicken bones were recently found in Mexico, and tests show they have been there for about 600 years before chickens were officially introduced to America by early American settlers of the 1600s. Not to mention the DNA evidence showing the Polynesian people were intermingling with the locals for a very long time that was expanded well before 1200CE. But say, for example, that you are correct and the Polynesians didn't make contact until 1200CE; that doesn't make the Vikings first...not even close; that honour would go to the Phoenicians; they're responsible for kickstarting the Bronze Age about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.
@@Smokin_Phat_Dabs Well then, show me sources and proof. There is that for the Vikings. I have many insinuations and statements indicating the Vikings were in South America too, but I can not say they actually WERE before clinical evidence is shown. And per date, that does not exist, just stories and sites lost through time. Alas, the historians and archeologists say they were first, and that is of course something that CAN change with evidence of other visitations earlier. But unfortunately, that is not the case now. Just stories and undocumented ideas per today.
I went to Lanse aux Meadows last year, its been on my Bucket List since its discovery and it was an emotional visit. To look out over the site and walk the trails, view the boat repair location in the stream, its a surreal place. My only problem was having a guide that had to come with us as he rushed us through the site. I just wanted to sit and take it all in. Other then that, amazing site.
It is probably assumption as vin is wine in France. Friendly harbour and supply depot would be desireable asset for early explorers in uncharted waters.
Interesting. I am Swedish and have always thought that the vikings found wine grapes growing there and therefore called it Vinland. ”Vin” means ”wine” in the Scandinavian languages (as of course you know) They should have been familiar with wine from their ventures into southern and eastern Europe. However, I was not aware of the other meaning of the word. Thanks for that piece of information. Makes sense because my guess is that wine grapes wouldn’t grow that far north, even if the climate was warmer than today.
I believe that the copper found in the north was probably because of the natural deposit of copper near Lake Michigan... with or without the help of the Norse, Native Americans still would have utilized copper. It is my understanding that the Lake Michigan deposit was a pure deposit, meaning that it did not need to be smelted to remove impurities.
@NolanVoid-dr1ch duh. However, it IS FACT that there is an area near Michigan where pure copper was found and utilized by NATIVE AMERICANS. They used that copper. They made tools from that copper. They did not need to have the very high and intense heat required for smelting because the copper was so pure that there was no need to smelt. So, if the indigenous tribes of North America had access to pure copper to make tools and jewelry, then it is also probably the tools found were made by the early indigenous people, and not necessarily brought to America by people from other continents. Since I was not alive way back when, I BELIEVE that....
@@yomilkers8133 Mr. Hancock, all copper mines produce a unique isotope, and geology has proven NO copper went from the new world to the old pre-columbus. And the earth really is round.
They lived in Greenland with little to no wood for fire in a VERY cold climate for four CENTURIES. They had to make trips to N America to collect wood for boats, homes and most of all, firewood for the better part of 500 years. The failure to establish trade connections with the natives was the missed opportunity that cost them not only Greenland, but also a continent.
I'm an Anthropology major, and I heard that the Norse in Greenland were not dependent on wood for fuel, especially after they were mostly cut off near the end, but used dried cow dung or peat for fuel.
Viking failed in Greenland likely due to religious racist contempt. As the climate grew colder and evident overgrazing damaged ecosystems leading to a need to assimilate First Nation habits that did not occur… they starved to death.
"religious racist contempt" - They did not discriminize according to colour and were very pragmatic acc. to sources. also, what you say about assimilating first nation habits is a theory. Not a fact. Your wording with racist seems very influenced by todays culture.
Why are so many people correcting the pronunciations of names? I am and Icelander, and I don´t care. Good video. I always thought that Bjarni Herjólfsson had sailed to North America (Newfoundland) and back to Greenland and Iceland several times, trading with timber from Newfoundland. As you say, he sold his boat to Leifur who was about to make the journey to America. Bjarni wanted to go, but said he unfortunately was too old. Maybe I misunderstood the trading with timber bit. I researched this online some years ago and may have found "bad" sources. I am sure you have your facts straight, it certainly seems so!
I'm inclined to believe Vinland is Martha's vineyard as when the historical Europeans arrived the island was covered in wild grape vines hence the name.
My father and all his cousins heard oral stories from their grandmother and she was from the Ossippee New Hampshire area. "Blue eyes with blonde hair". The people from Ossippee came from the North.
Good video. Thanks. I think the First People kept the Norse out of the North American continent. L'anse Aux Meadows might be a ship repair station close enough to the timber of Labrador, but far enough away from the First People to be secure. Why not take the timber to Greenland? Perhaps the most resource costly part of the operation was moving the timber. If they could they might've set up a shipyard in Labrador. That might be something to investigate. Perhaps they did and it's waiting to be discovered. One possible reason the Norse could colonize Greenland but not farther south in North America, is the differences of population density. Because of the lower density of food resources in the Arctic, the Inuit tried to keep their bands to about 30 people, and not close to another band. (Dr Rae of the Hudson Bay Company spoke with Inuit who'd encountered the doomed Franklin Expedition. They told him there was no way 150 people could live off the land in that area. They gave them what food they could and then got away from them.) The North American First Nations people having more resources didn't need to follow this limitation. And because groups could live in closer proximity, fighting was common - so fighting skills, tactics developed. (One of the tropes of Native warriors is stealthiness. As a child in the woods of Michigan we used to practice this. We got really good at it. The ancient Native trails we walked along were always just below a ridge, never on it. Walking on ancient paths in England this seems never to have been a consideration. (Sunken lanes weren't engineered horse and cattle made them.) So now you're a band of battle hardened Viking warriors. How useful is a shield wall if the warriors opposing you never attack it, but pick you off one at a time? This raised the question of how could the Norse colonize parts of the UK, Ireland and France but not North America? Later European violent interactions with these people show that the fighting skills and weaponry of the Europeans could be effective. But I don't think steel weapons and guns are that significant a factor. In early years of Gringo settlement of Texas the vaunted Texas Rangers were no match for the Comanche. A man with a muzzle loaded pistol and rifle could get off two shots while a Comanche warrior rapidly charged on horse back. He could shoot twenty arrows between the two shots. There was not enough time to reload. The revolver finally gave the Texans a chance. Africa wasn't colonized by Europeans until rapid fire weapons were widely used. So the factor that allowed the French and English to colonize North America but not the Norse was probably disease. They didn't colonize Africa because the Africans probably had the same disease resistance.
I joined your Patreon. I would love to suggest a video (but it might be truly difficult to research.. idk). If you're willing to create a video about how anciet societies learned to navigate and plan crops via star-watching, I'll gladly upgrade to your $10 tier. Think about how many buildings (most of which were wooden and didn't last, but Stonehenge is a more-permanent example) lined up with events like solstices. Lots of Egyptian architecture fits the bill, but so do structures in pre-Anglo Saxon Britain (like I just mentioned) and all over Gaul. That's wild. Who figured all that stuff out and how long did it take? I wouldn't be able to tell for sure which day was the longest of the year without a clock or stopwatch, but basically every ancient society got that nailed down. How many generations passed to put all that info together? How many people in a given society had all that stellar knowledge-- just the priests, or, like, most people? Stuff like that. I imagine that most of this info was never recorded (or was recorded and lost), so finding the most credible theories might be your only hope. Anyway-- I think it would be interesting (and I'm essentially offering you $120/year to look into this and put something together). I have faith in you.
Thanks for joining my Patreon! Thanks also for the video topic recommendation. I will add it to my list and let you know when I get to it. I actually talked about that kind of stuff a little bit in my Cahokia video. According to a theory by the archaeologist Pauketat, who has done extensive research and field work on and at Cahokia, the city was built right after the supernova of 1054 AD and all the city's streets, plazas, and monuments are aligned with various celestial objects. Pauketat used a term frequently called "archaeoastronomy" to refer to the type of research work that went into interpreting these prehistoric topics. "Archaeoastronomy" is the multidisciplinary study of figuring out how prehistoric peoples made sense of the heavens. I talked about all of this in my Cahokia video. If you haven't already looked into the field of "Archaeoastronomy" I think you should definitely do so as it might answer many questions that you have
I don't know if it's a hoax or a mistake or what - and I know there are supposedly the runestones specifically and seemingly exclusively all up and down the Mississippi River - but I live in north-central-ish Arkansas, just north of the Arkansas River and several years ago, there was supposedly a large rock/boulder discovered with runestones covering it on Crow Mountain in Russellville overlooking the Arkansas River. It was on the local news, in the newspaper, people were talking about it and seems like I even had a professor talking about it. But the gist was something like, they came down the Mississippi River until they reached where the Arkansas River meets it and they came upstream at least all the way to what is now Russellville and they could see Crow Mountain in the distance and decided it would be a good place to camp. Either way, I just thought that was gnarly because I've heard about their supposed presence on the Mississippi River but Russellville is pretty much on the opposite side of the state - maybe like an hour from the Oklahoma border via I-40. And I just thought that could theoretically open a whole new set of possibilities - with the Arkansas River starting in Colorado and flowing to the Arkansas-Mississippi border - as to all of the different places they could have reached on the continent via the Arkansas River... But the archaeologists/researchers (probably very wisely) didn't disclose the location to prevent destruction and defacement (which, knowing the ornery rednecks around here, some drunk kid probably would have destroyed it if they would have released the exact location..) But that was probably 10+ years ago and I haven't heard anything else about it - so maybe it was BS.. I just know I would have loved to see it.
There seems to be some confusion about what constitutes the "New World" or North America. The Norse were already in the New World long before the Vinland expedition. They already lived in Greenland. Greenland is not part of Europe by any stretch of the imagination. Greenland is part of North America. The Norse settlers in Greenland were the first Europeans in the "New World."
The thing is - because of boats - you would have people from any culture that had them venturing to all kinds of places. You just wouldn't necessarily have any proof that they'd been there. As far as the New World would be concerned - what you have is a dilution of Viking Numbers. If you look at the things Vikings did in Eastern and Western Europe - a substantial portion of their numbers would have been absorbed in such activity. For such luxury items as Grapes - they could after all get them from France and not have to venture so far from the people they would sell them to. It would seem to be much easier to transport grapes from France than across the Atlantic. So - the things they could get from the New World in North America would mostly be things they could have gotten in Norway. So - why cross the North Atlantic to get them? It's not like they couldn't get anything they could trade with the East - but - just not enough of it to really matter. The big thing about Columbus - was not that he got to the New World - but that he was the representative of the King and Queen of Spain. That and he found Gold. With the backing of a major European Power - and a desire for Gold - the Spanish made a much more serious, coordinated effort at Colonizing the New World. This had a much more lasting effect than that of small groups of Vikings struggling to survive. Another factor in Columbus's favor - was the level of technology he had as opposed to the Vikings. They didn't have cannon. They had better weapons than the Indians - but not that much better - certainly not enough to make up for the disparity in the numbers of the two peoples. Basically - the Vikings were exploratory - and they found some things but - not enough to inspire massive colonization. .
I remember reading in history class that Lewis and Clark had met a lighter skinned Indian tribe whose chief was named 'Magnus'. Their whereabouts afterward is unknown. I'm sure that today this doesn't fit into the narrative so any reference to them is probably not able to be found again.
I remember reading in the newspaper as a child that a stone with Norse symbols was found in the Eastern Townships in Quebec. I'm not sure if this was a tale or a true story. All I know is that New-Brunswick is relatively not very far from the Eastern Townships, accessible by foot.
Although interesting, the story of vinland, based on Erik the Red Saga differs a lot from your story. The order of events isn't the same at all. I don't even know where to start.. Leif did went first, but then leave to christianise Greenland. His brother Thorval then tried to go, but got lost on the sea. Years later, Kalsefni went to Greenland and spent the winter there. After talking with Thorvald and another marchand (so was Kalsefni), they decided to try again the voyage to Vinland. There was 3 ships that finally made it to L'anse-aux-meadows. They went south, IN THE SAINT-LAURENT river, not to New-Brunswick, until they arrived at à Fjord, where they made "Hop" village. From the description, Hop was at Baie-Comeau, and this is where they spent the summer. Native started to arrive and they were peaceful. They traded fur for RED CLOTH, not Milk (why would they traded for milk if it made them sick?). Exchange where friendly, until one day, the huge Bull you're refering to roar with fury and run after them. They went scared and left . 3 weeks later, an enormous amount of native arrived, screaming like the devil. They went to fight.. Viking got scared and left. This is when Freydis, Sister of Leif and Thorvald, tried to escape with her group ; because she was pregnant, she was slower and got surrounded by native. This is where she found a sword on the ground *à viking had been killed*. She took the sword, got rid of her shirt and started to hit her breast with the sword. The natives got really scared, probably thinking it was magic, and left. They then realised they were outnumber and decided to go back to L'anse-aux-meadows for a last winter before going back. A Hunter of the group decided to leave with a small group with a ships, leaving only 2 boats for around 130 people. The hunter's ship derived to scotland and since they were pagan, they got arrested and killed. Thorvald decided to go search that boat to today's Hamilton Inlet. Once there, he received an arrow direclty in the heart by à single native that was on a beach. Saga end by supposing they had to leave some viking to L'anse-aux-meadows because they were too many. Totally different then the story you told. Who knows who's right.. !
I think some of the theories about the Algonquin and Old Norse language being related are getting out of hand. I went through all of the comparable words, they're coincidental. How do you feel about that?
My claim,if the Norse found the Nelson rivers delta,in Hudsons bay,they may have made it to my house in Saskatchewan but more easily to Kensington in the us of a.
The Native Ojibwe people living around the North shores of Lake Superior say the Vikings would sail up the great lakes to trade for silver from the Natives. It's known that the Indians were aware of silver deposits and did extract silver from the area. Look up "the Sleeping Giant" landmark and myth in Thunder Bay. It's also said that there is a Viking long ship(s) resting at the bottom of Lake Superior. However, it's illegal under Canadian law to retrieve or disturb anything from the Great lakes. Fines deter researchers and treasure hunters from exploring. Even old logs which sunk during the hayday of the logging era require permits to retrieve, but the fees are too expensive to allow for any profit.
Why do we disregard the sagas as fiction but were suppose to believe and trust everything else written in history?? The Vikings were great explorers and history wants me to believe Christopher Columbus was the first to discover america, I don't believe that one bit!!!
Could you imagine what it would be like as a Native American and then seeing a European for the first time ever. You've only ever seen black haired and brown eyed people are far as you went but then seeing humans with pale skin, brown/blonde/ red hair + blue, green, Hazel eyea.
You know I’ve always wondered about this myself too. Maybe there were diseases transferred from Vikings to Native Americans, but I’m thinking since contact between the two was so brief the Native Americans were probably able to quickly recover.
You have reserved this very well, but I have to say, your continuous mispronunciation of the word "Newfoundland" it made this exceptionally cringworthy for me. Never ever ever pronounce it as 3 separate words. it is one word, mushed together, with the emphasis on the first syllable. Also pronounce it as though it is spelled, Newfunland.
New "Brunswick"/Bruns-wick. "Brúnn" (old norse) meaning Brown, and "Vik" (old Norse) meaning "Bay". So Brunswick means Brown Bay in Old Norse, obviously referring to the Bay of Fundy. New Brunswick is also where the mythical city of Norumbega is seen on old maps right where the Bay of Fundy splits in two. "Fundy" in fact comes from the french word "Fendu" meaning "Split".
Since Rollo married the french Duchess in 911, they would have had greater access to maps, plus they already had navigated quite a bit of upper North America. It's also been discovered that Viking DNA was less European and more Asian, so my guess is Mongolian, which makes sense since Mongols were also white. Legend tells Khan was tall and white. So, older maps depict Tartarian lands covering North America and Asia, even some Europe. By the time Columbus arrived, french were already trading throughput the entire continent, and maps depict serious castles and clonoies, french. That mixed in with all the Utah caves of large red heaired men with boats, Arizona, possibly Missouri, you've got a huge chunk of missing history that has hints of existence in sagas. They were here, and probably the great white brother the natives were waiting for when the explorers showed up.
@@zipperpillow OH, sorry, Ghengis Khan was likely Scandinavian, very tall, red hair. Vikings married French royalty in 900s, likely saw America by 1000s. Tartarian America is one of the names for America on old, 1400s and 1500s maps. It's fascinating, Tartaria.
Do you people still assume the Vikings were the "first" to reach American shores? Wow! Do I have news for you. 😊 Hit me back if you're curious enough to learn more. 🤔
The indians were more numerous but lost due to the weapons and skills of the Vikings. Both cultures were great warriors. Would have been awesome to see the great heathen army vs. the indians in the plains. My two favourite cultures of old. And both cultures often without fear of death and a close relationship to nature, in their own separate ways.
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This is best show explaining this topic that I have seen. Hands down.
Thanks!
Wait until you discover they weren't the first to visit America. Just as when Lief Erikson was about to explore Newfoundland for the very first time, the Polynesians were already doing trade with the West Coast Native Americans and may have been doing so for at least a hundred years beforehand. 😊
@@Smokin_Phat_Dabs Recent genetic studies have also suggested that some eastern Polynesian populations have admixture from coastal western South American peoples, with an estimated date of contact around 1200 CE. That is 200 years AFTER the Vikings.
@pappelg2639 Only according to what has been found thus far because little as you know, the Polynesians left mainland Indonesia 1,300 years before the birth of Jesus Christ himself. That's to say, they have been sailing the open seas for well over 3,300 years. Chicken bones were recently found in Mexico, and tests show they have been there for about 600 years before chickens were officially introduced to America by early American settlers of the 1600s. Not to mention the DNA evidence showing the Polynesian people were intermingling with the locals for a very long time that was expanded well before 1200CE.
But say, for example, that you are correct and the Polynesians didn't make contact until 1200CE; that doesn't make the Vikings first...not even close; that honour would go to the Phoenicians; they're responsible for kickstarting the Bronze Age about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.
@@Smokin_Phat_Dabs Well then, show me sources and proof. There is that for the Vikings. I have many insinuations and statements indicating the Vikings were in South America too, but I can not say they actually WERE before clinical evidence is shown. And per date, that does not exist, just stories and sites lost through time. Alas, the historians and archeologists say they were first, and that is of course something that CAN change with evidence of other visitations earlier. But unfortunately, that is not the case now. Just stories and undocumented ideas per today.
I went to Lanse aux Meadows last year, its been on my Bucket List since its discovery and it was an emotional visit. To look out over the site and walk the trails, view the boat repair location in the stream, its a surreal place. My only problem was having a guide that had to come with us as he rushed us through the site. I just wanted to sit and take it all in. Other then that, amazing site.
Thanks for sharing your story
Excellent documentary, thanks!
And thank you for choosing pics that properly depict vikings, and not modern, short, effeminate actors!
Indeed, rare these days!!!
Nice concise summary of widely known details concerning proven Greenlander presence in Newfoundland.
Why do they allways mention wine when talking about Vinland? I am a Norwegian and in my dialect (Western Norway) Vin means Meadow.
It is probably assumption as vin is wine in France. Friendly harbour and supply depot would be desireable asset for early explorers in uncharted waters.
Interesting. I am Swedish and have always thought that the vikings found wine grapes growing there and therefore called it Vinland. ”Vin” means ”wine” in the Scandinavian languages (as of course you know) They should have been familiar with wine from their ventures into southern and eastern Europe. However, I was not aware of the other meaning of the word. Thanks for that piece of information. Makes sense because my guess is that wine grapes wouldn’t grow that far north, even if the climate was warmer than today.
@@svenolofandersson2572 I know of a family living in Voss (Hardanger) Their surname is Vinsand. A sandy meadow
(Half Swedish myself :-) )
Because people are idiots...
It’s because there were grapes there. It has nothing to do with the name. There are Oaks in Oregon, that doesn’t mean it’s named after oaks
Well-made documentaries, love it! Thank you for sharing, and I am looking forward to your next video! 👍👍
Love your documentary, I've been here in Wiltshire, England, listening and cooking.
Good work Buddy.
I believe that the copper found in the north was probably because of the natural deposit of copper near Lake Michigan... with or without the help of the Norse, Native Americans still would have utilized copper. It is my understanding that the Lake Michigan deposit was a pure deposit, meaning that it did not need to be smelted to remove impurities.
@NolanVoid-dr1ch duh. However, it IS FACT that there is an area near Michigan where pure copper was found and utilized by NATIVE AMERICANS. They used that copper. They made tools from that copper. They did not need to have the very high and intense heat required for smelting because the copper was so pure that there was no need to smelt.
So, if the indigenous tribes of North America had access to pure copper to make tools and jewelry, then it is also probably the tools found were made by the early indigenous people, and not necessarily brought to America by people from other continents.
Since I was not alive way back when, I BELIEVE that....
There are no copper mines in Newfoudland, and the Beothucks never learned how to work with metal.
The phoenicians got the same metals from the great lakes 4000 years ago, they had similar ships as the vikings
@@yomilkers8133 Mr. Hancock, all copper mines produce a unique isotope, and geology has proven NO copper went from the new world to the old pre-columbus. And the earth really is round.
@@olliverklozov2789 Templars went to the Americas way before columbus came
They lived in Greenland with little to no wood for fire in a VERY cold climate for four CENTURIES. They had to make trips to N America to collect wood for boats, homes and most of all, firewood for the better part of 500 years. The failure to establish trade connections with the natives was the missed opportunity that cost them not only Greenland, but also a continent.
I'm an Anthropology major, and I heard that the Norse in Greenland were not dependent on wood for fuel, especially after they were mostly cut off near the end, but used dried cow dung or peat for fuel.
...well, apart from the 1000's of tons of driftwood washed up all along the coastlines...
Viking failed in Greenland likely due to religious racist contempt. As the climate grew colder and evident overgrazing damaged ecosystems leading to a need to assimilate First Nation habits that did not occur… they starved to death.
"religious racist contempt" - They did not discriminize according to colour and were very pragmatic acc. to sources. also, what you say about assimilating first nation habits is a theory. Not a fact. Your wording with racist seems very influenced by todays culture.
@@pappelg2639 What is the first encounter recorded of the Vikings meeting the Native population?
Why are so many people correcting the pronunciations of names? I am and Icelander, and I don´t care.
Good video. I always thought that Bjarni Herjólfsson had sailed to North America (Newfoundland) and back to Greenland and Iceland several times, trading with timber from Newfoundland.
As you say, he sold his boat to Leifur who was about to make the journey to America. Bjarni wanted to go, but said he unfortunately was too old.
Maybe I misunderstood the trading with timber bit. I researched this online some years ago and may have found "bad" sources. I am sure you have your facts straight, it certainly seems so!
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So the sagas were written exactly the same way the bib le was, but can't be believed? Interesting
yeah man, mabye we should like not knock off all these kind of things being entirely not true.
There is a carving on a boulder on Beal's Island off the coast of Maine of a Viking ship.
Wow, this is amazing.
I’ve been all over Newfoundland but not to Lans aux Meadows. It’s on the bucket list!
I'm inclined to believe Vinland is Martha's vineyard as when the historical Europeans arrived the island was covered in wild grape vines hence the name.
No
You never know..it seems a bit too far south?
Very interesting topic, great video
Thank you!
Excellent, thanks.
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My Grandfather has had written stories about an encounter of us Micmac fighting another Giant Men with Metal weapons.
My father and all his cousins heard oral stories from their grandmother and she was from the Ossippee New Hampshire area. "Blue eyes with blonde hair". The people from Ossippee came from the North.
Good video. Thanks. I think the First People kept the Norse out of the North American continent.
L'anse Aux Meadows might be a ship repair station close enough to the timber of Labrador, but far enough away from the First People to be secure. Why not take the timber to Greenland? Perhaps the most resource costly part of the operation was moving the timber. If they could they might've set up a shipyard in Labrador. That might be something to investigate. Perhaps they did and it's waiting to be discovered.
One possible reason the Norse could colonize Greenland but not farther south in North America, is the differences of population density. Because of the lower density of food resources in the Arctic, the Inuit tried to keep their bands to about 30 people, and not close to another band. (Dr Rae of the Hudson Bay Company spoke with Inuit who'd encountered the doomed Franklin Expedition. They told him there was no way 150 people could live off the land in that area. They gave them what food they could and then got away from them.) The North American First Nations people having more resources didn't need to follow this limitation. And because groups could live in closer proximity, fighting was common - so fighting skills, tactics developed. (One of the tropes of Native warriors is stealthiness. As a child in the woods of Michigan we used to practice this. We got really good at it. The ancient Native trails we walked along were always just below a ridge, never on it. Walking on ancient paths in England this seems never to have been a consideration. (Sunken lanes weren't engineered horse and cattle made them.) So now you're a band of battle hardened Viking warriors. How useful is a shield wall if the warriors opposing you never attack it, but pick you off one at a time?
This raised the question of how could the Norse colonize parts of the UK, Ireland and France but not North America?
Later European violent interactions with these people show that the fighting skills and weaponry of the Europeans could be effective. But I don't think steel weapons and guns are that significant a factor. In early years of Gringo settlement of Texas the vaunted Texas Rangers were no match for the Comanche. A man with a muzzle loaded pistol and rifle could get off two shots while a Comanche warrior rapidly charged on horse back. He could shoot twenty arrows between the two shots. There was not enough time to reload. The revolver finally gave the Texans a chance. Africa wasn't colonized by Europeans until rapid fire weapons were widely used.
So the factor that allowed the French and English to colonize North America but not the Norse was probably disease. They didn't colonize Africa because the Africans probably had the same disease resistance.
@@WillN2Go1 you sir are a badazz and its been a pleasure to read your writings.
I joined your Patreon. I would love to suggest a video (but it might be truly difficult to research.. idk). If you're willing to create a video about how anciet societies learned to navigate and plan crops via star-watching, I'll gladly upgrade to your $10 tier. Think about how many buildings (most of which were wooden and didn't last, but Stonehenge is a more-permanent example) lined up with events like solstices. Lots of Egyptian architecture fits the bill, but so do structures in pre-Anglo Saxon Britain (like I just mentioned) and all over Gaul. That's wild. Who figured all that stuff out and how long did it take? I wouldn't be able to tell for sure which day was the longest of the year without a clock or stopwatch, but basically every ancient society got that nailed down. How many generations passed to put all that info together? How many people in a given society had all that stellar knowledge-- just the priests, or, like, most people? Stuff like that. I imagine that most of this info was never recorded (or was recorded and lost), so finding the most credible theories might be your only hope. Anyway-- I think it would be interesting (and I'm essentially offering you $120/year to look into this and put something together).
I have faith in you.
Thanks for joining my Patreon! Thanks also for the video topic recommendation. I will add it to my list and let you know when I get to it. I actually talked about that kind of stuff a little bit in my Cahokia video. According to a theory by the archaeologist Pauketat, who has done extensive research and field work on and at Cahokia, the city was built right after the supernova of 1054 AD and all the city's streets, plazas, and monuments are aligned with various celestial objects. Pauketat used a term frequently called "archaeoastronomy" to refer to the type of research work that went into interpreting these prehistoric topics. "Archaeoastronomy" is the multidisciplinary study of figuring out how prehistoric peoples made sense of the heavens. I talked about all of this in my Cahokia video. If you haven't already looked into the field of "Archaeoastronomy" I think you should definitely do so as it might answer many questions that you have
Great work
Well done 👍
My relatives mixed with the Vikings, Cherokee Nation, my sons are 6'6 300 lbs or more mixed Viking American native
Possibly, also possible you aren’t giving yourselves enough credit.
There is a great relatively recent documentary on this subject called "The Norse An Arctic Mystery (2012)"
Very interesting!
Are you the teacher from Beavis and Butthead?!!?! Great vid btw
Man just spoiled the rest of Vinland Saga
I don't know if it's a hoax or a mistake or what - and I know there are supposedly the runestones specifically and seemingly exclusively all up and down the Mississippi River - but I live in north-central-ish Arkansas, just north of the Arkansas River and several years ago, there was supposedly a large rock/boulder discovered with runestones covering it on Crow Mountain in Russellville overlooking the Arkansas River.
It was on the local news, in the newspaper, people were talking about it and seems like I even had a professor talking about it. But the gist was something like, they came down the Mississippi River until they reached where the Arkansas River meets it and they came upstream at least all the way to what is now Russellville and they could see Crow Mountain in the distance and decided it would be a good place to camp.
Either way, I just thought that was gnarly because I've heard about their supposed presence on the Mississippi River but Russellville is pretty much on the opposite side of the state - maybe like an hour from the Oklahoma border via I-40. And I just thought that could theoretically open a whole new set of possibilities - with the Arkansas River starting in Colorado and flowing to the Arkansas-Mississippi border - as to all of the different places they could have reached on the continent via the Arkansas River...
But the archaeologists/researchers (probably very wisely) didn't disclose the location to prevent destruction and defacement (which, knowing the ornery rednecks around here, some drunk kid probably would have destroyed it if they would have released the exact location..) But that was probably 10+ years ago and I haven't heard anything else about it - so maybe it was BS.. I just know I would have loved to see it.
Great vid!
Thanks!
There seems to be some confusion about what constitutes the "New World" or North America. The Norse were already in the New World long before the Vinland expedition. They already lived in Greenland. Greenland is not part of Europe by any stretch of the imagination. Greenland is part of North America. The Norse settlers in Greenland were the first Europeans in the "New World."
The thing is - because of boats - you would have people from any culture that had them venturing to all kinds of places. You just wouldn't necessarily have any proof that they'd been there.
As far as the New World would be concerned - what you have is a dilution of Viking Numbers. If you look at the things Vikings did in Eastern and Western Europe - a substantial portion of their numbers would have been absorbed in such activity.
For such luxury items as Grapes - they could after all get them from France and not have to venture so far from the people they would sell them to. It would seem to be much easier to transport grapes from France than across the Atlantic.
So - the things they could get from the New World in North America would mostly be things they could have gotten in Norway. So - why cross the North Atlantic to get them?
It's not like they couldn't get anything they could trade with the East - but - just not enough of it to really matter.
The big thing about Columbus - was not that he got to the New World - but that he was the representative of the King and Queen of Spain. That and he found Gold. With the backing of a major European Power - and a desire for Gold - the Spanish made a much more serious, coordinated effort at Colonizing the New World.
This had a much more lasting effect than that of small groups of Vikings struggling to survive.
Another factor in Columbus's favor - was the level of technology he had as opposed to the Vikings. They didn't have cannon. They had better weapons than the Indians - but not that much better - certainly not enough to make up for the disparity in the numbers of the two peoples.
Basically - the Vikings were exploratory - and they found some things but - not enough to inspire massive colonization.
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I think historians indicate wood as a main resource Vikings got from America, since there were no trees in Greenland.
I remember reading in history class that Lewis and Clark had met a lighter skinned Indian tribe whose chief was named 'Magnus'. Their whereabouts afterward is unknown. I'm sure that today this doesn't fit into the narrative so any reference to them is probably not able to be found again.
@@m.w.wilson234 Smithsonian will probably have clues but it's tucked away safe from truth seekers.
Why don’t they test the wood of the old structures in Greenland to see where it came from. We have that technology with genetics now.
I wonder where they got all the wood needed for buildings and boat building in this treeless land they settled?
Discoveries continue to prove their impact on America from far back in history
they need to make a movie about this or tv show
I remember reading in the newspaper as a child that a stone with Norse symbols was found in the Eastern Townships in Quebec. I'm not sure if this was a tale or a true story. All I know is that New-Brunswick is relatively not very far from the Eastern Townships, accessible by foot.
Vikings were in south america, Bolivia, Paraguay and Argentina
They sure were! In Bolivia have blonde Caucasian heads of pottery of Vikings
Although interesting, the story of vinland, based on Erik the Red Saga differs a lot from your story.
The order of events isn't the same at all.
I don't even know where to start..
Leif did went first, but then leave to christianise Greenland.
His brother Thorval then tried to go, but got lost on the sea.
Years later, Kalsefni went to Greenland and spent the winter there. After talking with Thorvald and another marchand (so was Kalsefni), they decided to try again the voyage to Vinland.
There was 3 ships that finally made it to L'anse-aux-meadows.
They went south, IN THE SAINT-LAURENT river, not to New-Brunswick, until they arrived at à Fjord, where they made "Hop" village. From the description, Hop was at Baie-Comeau, and this is where they spent the summer.
Native started to arrive and they were peaceful. They traded fur for RED CLOTH, not Milk (why would they traded for milk if it made them sick?).
Exchange where friendly, until one day, the huge Bull you're refering to roar with fury and run after them. They went scared and left .
3 weeks later, an enormous amount of native arrived, screaming like the devil. They went to fight..
Viking got scared and left. This is when Freydis, Sister of Leif and Thorvald, tried to escape with her group ; because she was pregnant, she was slower and got surrounded by native. This is where she found a sword on the ground *à viking had been killed*. She took the sword, got rid of her shirt and started to hit her breast with the sword.
The natives got really scared, probably thinking it was magic, and left.
They then realised they were outnumber and decided to go back to L'anse-aux-meadows for a last winter before going back.
A Hunter of the group decided to leave with a small group with a ships, leaving only 2 boats for around 130 people.
The hunter's ship derived to scotland and since they were pagan, they got arrested and killed.
Thorvald decided to go search that boat to today's Hamilton Inlet. Once there, he received an arrow direclty in the heart by à single native that was on a beach.
Saga end by supposing they had to leave some viking to L'anse-aux-meadows because they were too many.
Totally different then the story you told.
Who knows who's right.. !
You need to read the Greenlander's Saga (Saga of the Greenlanders).
I think some of the theories about the Algonquin and Old Norse language being related are getting out of hand. I went through all of the comparable words, they're coincidental.
How do you feel about that?
My claim,if the Norse found the Nelson rivers delta,in Hudsons bay,they may have made it to my house in Saskatchewan but more easily to Kensington in the us of a.
My claim, is that your claim has already been claimed by a previous nitwit.
The Native Ojibwe people living around the North shores of Lake Superior say the Vikings would sail up the great lakes to trade for silver from the Natives. It's known that the Indians were aware of silver deposits and did extract silver from the area. Look up "the Sleeping Giant" landmark and myth in Thunder Bay.
It's also said that there is a Viking long ship(s) resting at the bottom of Lake Superior. However, it's illegal under Canadian law to retrieve or disturb anything from the Great lakes. Fines deter researchers and treasure hunters from exploring. Even old logs which sunk during the hayday of the logging era require permits to retrieve, but the fees are too expensive to allow for any profit.
I'm sure you've heard of the Kensington Ruinstone. What is your opinion?
@@kevinkurtz9889 is that the one a farmer found in his feild?
@patrickstjean7646 yes, buried in a tree root.
Well done! Now research the natives point of view from New Brunswick. I bet their Sagas back up the Norse
Is there any evidence of a pandemic secondary to contact with Europeans among the Native population?
No
The best people.
L’Anse aux Meadows - Aux is pronounced “Oh”. Why is he saying “L’Ans ee meadows “?
Wow, it sounded correct enough to me. Any other reflections?
If a 20 foot boat carried three men, a ship carrying nine e men must have been 60 feel long.
The nine men were sleeping under three boats. Not sure where 20 feet comes from, though.
Why do we disregard the sagas as fiction but were suppose to believe and trust everything else written in history?? The Vikings were great explorers and history wants me to believe Christopher Columbus was the first to discover america, I don't believe that one bit!!!
Oral transitions do not change my friend
Does it matter that Greenland is a part of North America? That would suggest that the Norse occupied North America from 1000 to 1400 CE.
Sorry, Paddy got there before you!
Could you imagine what it would be like as a Native American and then seeing a European for the first time ever. You've only ever seen black haired and brown eyed people are far as you went but then seeing humans with pale skin, brown/blonde/ red hair + blue, green, Hazel eyea.
2019 i was on visiting my girlfriend in canada and we found two viking swords wich we sale for 50 k canadian dollars
Did the vikings axe and North American Indian axe evolve separately or did vikings bring them to America I wonder?
man we just need to prove romens were in america, and hebrews (or idk guys from BoM), and templars, then we could really have a bazaar what if war.
Had to be a settlement near Cape Ray Newfoundland as well. Only makes sense.
"Shot spears and threw arrows"...... ??? REALLY???
No diseases transferred to the natives? Or was there?
You know I’ve always wondered about this myself too. Maybe there were diseases transferred from Vikings to Native Americans, but I’m thinking since contact between the two was so brief the Native Americans were probably able to quickly recover.
I'm guessing since it was a hostel relationship they weren't around each other enough for that to happen
You mean hostile
Hella land must have been awesome
Shot spears and thrown arrows.
No wonder the Norse lost.
I wish CK3 would let you settle vinland
Finland! O
Badyarni? The name is Biarni.
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You have reserved this very well, but I have to say, your continuous mispronunciation of the word "Newfoundland" it made this exceptionally cringworthy for me.
Never ever ever pronounce it as 3 separate words. it is one word, mushed together, with the emphasis on the first syllable. Also pronounce it as though it is spelled, Newfunland.
Man, you brutalize these foreign names 😂 Bee-jar-nee 😂 Good Video though 👍🏽
try looking up vikings in south america
Shot spears and thrown arrows 😂
You didn’t mention the discovery of a Viking longship off the coast of Arizona.
New "Brunswick"/Bruns-wick. "Brúnn" (old norse) meaning Brown, and "Vik" (old Norse) meaning "Bay". So Brunswick means Brown Bay in Old Norse, obviously referring to the Bay of Fundy.
New Brunswick is also where the mythical city of Norumbega is seen on old maps right where the Bay of Fundy splits in two. "Fundy" in fact comes from the french word "Fendu" meaning "Split".
Bjarni, pronounced biarnì, not bajarnì.
Since Rollo married the french Duchess in 911, they would have had greater access to maps, plus they already had navigated quite a bit of upper North America. It's also been discovered that Viking DNA was less European and more Asian, so my guess is Mongolian, which makes sense since Mongols were also white. Legend tells Khan was tall and white. So, older maps depict Tartarian lands covering North America and Asia, even some Europe. By the time Columbus arrived, french were already trading throughput the entire continent, and maps depict serious castles and clonoies, french. That mixed in with all the Utah caves of large red heaired men with boats, Arizona, possibly Missouri, you've got a huge chunk of missing history that has hints of existence in sagas. They were here, and probably the great white brother the natives were waiting for when the explorers showed up.
That was a great speech and all. But would you want to come back to reality now?
You, are a gibberish fountain.
@@zipperpillow OH, sorry, Ghengis Khan was likely Scandinavian, very tall, red hair. Vikings married French royalty in 900s, likely saw America by 1000s. Tartarian America is one of the names for America on old, 1400s and 1500s maps. It's fascinating, Tartaria.
Greenland is North America.
Beh-jar-ni? Really? Come on… it’s Byar-ni
?story it's history my guy to dem history as an simple story is insult.
Bjarni, like "Byarni". Anglicized sounds awful.
a story, not 'the' story
there are viking ruins in Oklahoma. the writings refer to Vinland
So you think indigenous people would not take anything left behind.
Do you people still assume the Vikings were the "first" to reach American shores? Wow! Do I have news for you. 😊 Hit me back if you're curious enough to learn more. 🤔
Sure. Who else should be the first? Marsians? 😂
@juanzulu1318 Small-minded doofus, no one is paying you enough to be that dumb Juanzulu. 🤣
So you could call them...
Norse Americans? 😃
I'll see myself out.
NEW-fun-dland, not new-FOUND-land.
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Lick-ME 😂
@WorldChronicles1 A lot of people mis-pronounce it. Newfoundland rhymes with understand.
Hore, not Hor.
CANADA!?!!??? Bro its CANA - DUH-aye
The Vikings & Redskins hurry up NFL i'm so bored 🤗
😂vikings lucky they didn't run into the plains Indians a true warrior culture
The indians were more numerous but lost due to the weapons and skills of the Vikings. Both cultures were great warriors. Would have been awesome to see the great heathen army vs. the indians in the plains. My two favourite cultures of old. And both cultures often without fear of death and a close relationship to nature, in their own separate ways.
Who you calling heathen? The vikings would have taken their heads.
It's not "Bijarney" boss. It's pronounced "BEE-arr-ney." Actually most of your pronunciations were dreadful. The video was otherwise good.
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The vikings are soft ask the irish
Well, we Native Americans had them beat. Our hand-to-hand combat skills kept them off of our land until the Vikings were no more. 😊
The Vikings were so backward that it didn't even change the world. The guy who did it five hundred years later did.
Lol. Do you even have schools in murica?
Read and study the book of Mormon.
4:55 Vikings didn't even believe in Christianity yet
Sure they did, that was one of the causes of thier downfall around 1065CE. 😊
@@Smokin_Phat_Dabs Not a downfall. It was a sensible choice.
Less killing and more stability.
@AOxvig Nah, it's the same shit but a different pile. The church of Christianity has spilled a lot of innocent blood since its conception.
That is impossible
The sea currents can take someone from America to Europe but not the other way
So please stop lying
Never Happened signed A M Erican Indian ps I waz there they never showed up
No such thing as Native Americans or Native American DNA.