I think the "feedback" sound you're expecting is actually a resonance. I can't tell how it's occurring exactly but maybe has to do with the shape of the chamber
There's a good chance that the amount of movement is simply more than would normally happen for a spring reverb which causes a bit of issues, best I can think of since it sounds a bit like when you hit one. Sadly I don't have one of these so I can't test that theory, and in fact it could just be that it's inside something designed specifically to resonate
@@JGHFunRun I was thinking maybe it was the vibration of the note being played beating on the vibration of the sound held by the springs. It kinda had the beating interference sound to it of 2 close frequencies constructing and destructing with each other.
It's called a Trapezoid Violin, and a hundred years ago one built by a professional Luthier was favourably compared to a Stradivarius in a blind test... The validity of the test may be debatable, my reference: Violin-making as it was and is, by Heron-Allen, Edward Published 1885 Was for many years, including my time as a student Luthier, considered the Violin Maker's Bible; but, it's author's reputation has diminished somewhat, more recently, he was, in truth, a collector, rather than a technician 😉
@@iandeare1 If it stood the test of time and was considered the 'Violin Makers Bible' for so long, then surely it would mean any recent revelations about the authors 'credentials' are purely academic at this point? ;-) If the books information was deemed important (pious even, lol) for almost 150 yrs, then I would assume to dismiss it now is a form of (the all too common) music snobbery, don't you think? Just a thought, peace and best wishes to you all from Ireland, keep making music x
That strange “feedback” effect is definitely you hitting the resonant frequency of a spring. Sounds exactly like a wolf note on a cello (which is happens when you hit the resonant frequency of the body of the instrument.)
Having a sort of "Dampening" mechanism to mute the springs when you want less or no reverb would be awesome. Bassically like a cloth pad on a lever you can move with your chin to mess with the reverb. Just a thought. :)
That would sound very cool for mandolin, because the unfreted strings are supposed to resonate for certain styles it would be like having continual ringing strings which would be great
I had a home made Valve amp from the 70's years ago. I played around with putting thin bands of ShrinkWrap on reverb springs, also tried adhesive foam. The shrink wrap was cool.
Very cool! You probably won't be able to do this through the sound holes, but I figure adding a bit of damping (like cotton or some thin pieces of fabric) would help control the reverb without reducing it too much.
@@DavidHilowitzMusic Ah, neat! And your crazy sound post tool might work to get things into place. Seems worth a shot to me; it sounds fantastic IMHO, just needs to be reigned in a bit.
Not really - spring reverb is independent of air volume (unless you're intending to pack the spring enclosure itself with fabric... which would have some effect, mainly in reducing the upper frequencies 👍)
I'm not a professional luthier but I did read up a design document that the soundpost-bridge combo is meant to act as a lever system to convert the horizontal movement of the strings into a vertical movement on the sound board, and the soundpost acts as the stiffness required for one side of the lever to work.
This is a rabbit hole that needs deeper diving. One could probably make an amazing-sounding acoustic instrument (or several - what about dulcimers, for instance? erhu? even wind instruments?) by purpose-building a good spring array for this use case.
That sense of danger of everything getting too crazy makes it even more poignant to listen to. It can be understated and yet still sound dangerous. The Brown Sound of violins!
What a lovely experiment! The finished sound kind of reminds me of a twisted landscape in an RPG style game. Like you've just been teleported to another realm and you have to navigate the strange environment to return home and continue your journey. It reminds me most of the Silent realms in Skyward sword and the Dark realm from a Link to the Past.
You kind of remind me of the children's shows I used to watch when I was younger. Like it's strange how your videos all seem to make me feel a little younger
Nice job you got a fine tune for a play wood box. In Mexico the armadillos and turtles shields are used as reverb box. The tuning goes depending the layers of epoxy or resins.. not to hard not to soft Thanks for sharing your masterpiece
I have never played a violin but I have to give this spring reverb thing a try with a diy build, a cigar box guitar maybe? Thanks for all the great vids and inspiration David, peace from Ireland to you and yours mo chara.
That's really neat. Really like the sound. I also like your experimentation. I was wondering if you could could dampen the springs? Cotton balls? Felted wood? With some sort of adjustment. Thanks.
Love the haunting sound you've achieved with this reverb violin. really hope that you continue to experiment and fine tune it until it's a dependable/useful instrument and... fingers crossed... share the results with us. Good luck!
How David accidentally created a superb sounding violin. I mean you could record it for movie soundtracks and I doubt anyone would think "hmm this violin doesn't sound pro enough". And when it falls apart, just glue it back together! Don't forget to use the same glue for the signature sound %) Let's make a library out of it too!
Yeah. In cigar box guitars, some makers use box mattress springs with hooks on them and then attach them to screw-in hooks attached at an angle inside the body. You can then turn the screw-in hooks to tighten the springs, or even adjust the height so you can control whether the spring is touching the soundboard or not. Dell Puckett has an excellent video on that: th-cam.com/video/lJDCjoZJY60/w-d-xo.html
After watching many videos, I had no idea you played violin like that...nor that you build them. Love finding what other vices each musician I encounter also likes to mess with. Like it's always visable whatever someone is headfirst into...(Like a guitarist for example.) But then, you later find out they play the keys and then the drums and then even wild synths at home, after work, lol. I guess I don't know what I'm really getting at, but it seems we never ever want to stop making music, somehow.
When it falls apart, you could maybe rebuild it and make the soundpost go onto the reverb tank where the transducer would go so it vibrates the springs more directly
Great work! I can't wait to try out the Decent Sample library you posted too. Also, I don't know if this was intentional, but the lighting and colors in your workbench shots (from roughly 0:25 to 5:15 ) are extremely soothing and meditative. Those shots (or similar), possibly at slower speeds, would make a great, ambient "music video" for a track or two of the big, swelling reverbs you're getting out of that great super cool box violin.
It reminds me of when Andrew Bird recorded an album under the Hyperion River bridge in L.A., on the record appropriately titled “Echolocations: River”.
This sounds absolutely amazing. Once you get the hang of it, or find a way to slightly dampen it to control it the way you’d like I really hope you start posting some full length songs with this. I’m genuinely excited about this
Try using different rubber washers with varying softness and rigidity between the chassis and the wood like shock absorbers. I’m going to try this! Thanks for the video!
That‘s a really cool video and I‘m only a few minutes in… The introduction was very good. I like the fact, that you explain, what a reverb spring does.
I've done the same thing decades ago on my 1970's Conn home keyboard organ with that resonation & noise from the spring reverb tank, as when you push or bump around the organ which makes the springs go wack.
I feel like you could really lean into that weird feedback sound and make some pretty haunting horror soundtrack style songs with this thing.
thats how id play it
Yeah, that feedback/resonance sounds very similar to that of a Waterphone
I think it lends it's way to last of us soundtrack feel, right?
Reminds me of the Everything soundtrack (Everything is the name of a neat steam game)
Also my first thought! That would be amazing. Imagine the goosebump potential!
I think the "feedback" sound you're expecting is actually a resonance. I can't tell how it's occurring exactly but maybe has to do with the shape of the chamber
There's a good chance that the amount of movement is simply more than would normally happen for a spring reverb which causes a bit of issues, best I can think of since it sounds a bit like when you hit one. Sadly I don't have one of these so I can't test that theory, and in fact it could just be that it's inside something designed specifically to resonate
@@JGHFunRun I was thinking maybe it was the vibration of the note being played beating on the vibration of the sound held by the springs. It kinda had the beating interference sound to it of 2 close frequencies constructing and destructing with each other.
@@Aeduo that also would make sense
Maybe sympathetic vibrations?
I wonder if larger f holes could help?
Me: makes a violin shaped like a violin
The violin: (demonic screeches)
This dude: makes a box with strings
The violin: (angelic chanting)
You should put effort into acoustic qualities for sure, that comes before the looks.
It's called a Trapezoid Violin, and a hundred years ago one built by a professional Luthier was favourably compared to a Stradivarius in a blind test...
The validity of the test may be debatable, my reference: Violin-making as it was and is, by Heron-Allen, Edward Published 1885
Was for many years, including my time as a student Luthier, considered the Violin Maker's Bible; but, it's author's reputation has diminished somewhat, more recently, he was, in truth, a collector, rather than a technician 😉
@@iandeare1
If it stood the test of time and was considered the 'Violin Makers Bible' for so long, then surely it would mean any recent revelations about the authors 'credentials' are purely academic at this point? ;-) If the books information was deemed important (pious even, lol) for almost 150 yrs, then I would assume to dismiss it now is a form of (the all too common) music snobbery, don't you think? Just a thought, peace and best wishes to you all from Ireland, keep making music x
That strange “feedback” effect is definitely you hitting the resonant frequency of a spring. Sounds exactly like a wolf note on a cello (which is happens when you hit the resonant frequency of the body of the instrument.)
Learned some new today. Thanks
I love how casually you just invented, made and played this amazing instrument. Kudos man 🤘🏻
Having a sort of "Dampening" mechanism to mute the springs when you want less or no reverb would be awesome. Bassically like a cloth pad on a lever you can move with your chin to mess with the reverb. Just a thought. :)
This!
Use the chinpiece akin to a pianist pedal, I like it +1
Jesus, I have never heard a violin this sad... I love it!!! Will definitely try to simulate the sound digitally.
That would sound very cool for mandolin, because the unfreted strings are supposed to resonate for certain styles it would be like having continual ringing strings which would be great
I had a home made Valve amp from the 70's years ago. I played around with putting thin bands of ShrinkWrap on reverb springs, also tried adhesive foam. The shrink wrap was cool.
Oh, I have to try that!
"Looking into the wistful mist, lost in memories one cannot recant.
Mired in the echoes."
Yes it is a very inspiring sound.
Very cool! You probably won't be able to do this through the sound holes, but I figure adding a bit of damping (like cotton or some thin pieces of fabric) would help control the reverb without reducing it too much.
I actually might be able to do this? Somewhere I have a tiny dentist's mirror that I would need to use to actually see what I was doing. :)
@@DavidHilowitzMusic Ah, neat! And your crazy sound post tool might work to get things into place. Seems worth a shot to me; it sounds fantastic IMHO, just needs to be reigned in a bit.
Not really - spring reverb is independent of air volume (unless you're intending to pack the spring enclosure itself with fabric... which would have some effect, mainly in reducing the upper frequencies 👍)
@@brad42948 If the cloth is in the right position, the spring will contact the cloth when it goes out of control, dampening it.
Very eerie and beautiful!
I'm not a professional luthier but I did read up a design document that the soundpost-bridge combo is meant to act as a lever system to convert the horizontal movement of the strings into a vertical movement on the sound board, and the soundpost acts as the stiffness required for one side of the lever to work.
Super awesome. Isn’t this technically a pickup system too? I never seen a non piezo pickup system for a bowed string instrument.
could you put like.... a movable level sort of deal that can mute the reverb tank, or dampen?
really cool! I hope new instruments come from this :)
This is a rabbit hole that needs deeper diving. One could probably make an amazing-sounding acoustic instrument (or several - what about dulcimers, for instance? erhu? even wind instruments?) by purpose-building a good spring array for this use case.
I wager a lot of people would enjoy building your hobby ideas and the jobs that would create. I enjoy your videos, thank you.
Those imperfections sound awesome!
Amazing watching someone crossing the border of regular life, congratulation about your creativity
That sense of danger of everything getting too crazy makes it even more poignant to listen to. It can be understated and yet still sound dangerous. The Brown Sound of violins!
Great performance. And the playing only adds to the experience. Nice presentation.
dude glued the back on before testing the electronics... balls of steel, legend lol
Awesome! Please create a Decent Sampler library from it!
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There are folks like me ho would love to have some samples of this masterpiece
Yes, please!
Sounds amazing David.
Oh that’s amazing! I’ll make one if I can get my hands on a reverb tank
The sound of this violin is fabulous and your ingenuity incredible !
Decent Sample pack worthy. What a great sound.
I'm impressed dude !Great stuff
Oh now I want to make my own violin!
What a lovely experiment! The finished sound kind of reminds me of a twisted landscape in an RPG style game. Like you've just been teleported to another realm and you have to navigate the strange environment to return home and continue your journey. It reminds me most of the Silent realms in Skyward sword and the Dark realm from a Link to the Past.
Wow, the first "riff" (if I could call it this way) gave me deep Bioshock vibes. Pretty cool sound.
That’s beautiful man. I found this from the homemade instruments FB page and I think I may be inspired to experiment with springs in my own fiddles.
omg this sounds incredible. I would for sure buy one of those.
Very cool David, what a brilliant idea! Cheers from Vancouver Canada.
You kind of remind me of the children's shows I used to watch when I was younger. Like it's strange how your videos all seem to make me feel a little younger
Bloody amazing excellent video nice job on the violin!
gives off a very Mafia or dramatic Italian movie scene vibe... loved it!
Those feedback loops would make this a great instrument for a horror/cosmic horror soundtrack
Yep, gonna need a sample library of this.
Holy cow! I need one! Do a bass one with screen door springs next! Haha
This is the violin of the future! Sounds great for sound design in media projects.
Excellent proyect Mr. David Hilowitz!... Congrats!... Cordial greetings from Madrid(Spain)!!!...
Nice job you got a fine tune for a play wood box.
In Mexico the armadillos and turtles shields are used as reverb box. The tuning goes depending the layers of
epoxy or resins.. not to hard not to soft
Thanks for sharing your masterpiece
I have never played a violin but I have to give this spring reverb thing a try with a diy build, a cigar box guitar maybe? Thanks for all the great vids and inspiration David, peace from Ireland to you and yours mo chara.
I like the box look, and that sounds Awesome! 😊
Think this is my fave of your videos! Lovely project. Really enjoyed it
That's really neat. Really like the sound. I also like your experimentation. I was wondering if you could could dampen the springs? Cotton balls? Felted wood? With some sort of adjustment. Thanks.
An impulse response recording would be interesting for convolution experiments.
Super cool David 👍
Wow! It sounds really really good David 👍
this sort of instrument would make really good game sound track for ambience
Cigar box almost. One man chamber concert. Sweet sounds.
Dave…love your demo!
You are a f.... champion. Congratulations and thanks for sharing
this feels like a really relaxed version of mister maker
*Very, very clever!*
Love the haunting sound you've achieved with this reverb violin. really hope that you continue to experiment and fine tune it until it's a dependable/useful instrument and... fingers crossed... share the results with us. Good luck!
How David accidentally created a superb sounding violin. I mean you could record it for movie soundtracks and I doubt anyone would think "hmm this violin doesn't sound pro enough".
And when it falls apart, just glue it back together! Don't forget to use the same glue for the signature sound %)
Let's make a library out of it too!
Very nice! Looks cool and sounds GREAT!
I come up with this idea in my head for acoustic guitar, have a spirited discussion about it with a friend, then this is first in my news feed. Jesus.
I guess you have to make some sort of mechanic that you can control the tightness of the springs. If you want to controll the vibration ofc
Yeah. In cigar box guitars, some makers use box mattress springs with hooks on them and then attach them to screw-in hooks attached at an angle inside the body. You can then turn the screw-in hooks to tighten the springs, or even adjust the height so you can control whether the spring is touching the soundboard or not. Dell Puckett has an excellent video on that: th-cam.com/video/lJDCjoZJY60/w-d-xo.html
That’s really cool!!
Amazing content! I just subscribed this past week and have not been disappointed yet! So many ideas for projects now!
Very much like an Indian sarangi. Instead of springs, it's 32 resonating strings.
Taggelharpa also has those.
this is just plain fantastic!! bravo!!
After watching many videos, I had no idea you played violin like that...nor that you build them. Love finding what other vices each musician I encounter also likes to mess with. Like it's always visable whatever someone is headfirst into...(Like a guitarist for example.) But then, you later find out they play the keys and then the drums and then even wild synths at home, after work, lol.
I guess I don't know what I'm really getting at, but it seems we never ever want to stop making music, somehow.
Nice one, Dave - great idea!
Man, music is cool.... This is awesome, dude. Thanks for sharing
amazed at the intricate engineering of the reverb tank -- great job explaining it!
great sound, very nice work.
When it falls apart, you could maybe rebuild it and make the soundpost go onto the reverb tank where the transducer would go so it vibrates the springs more directly
Fantastic video!
Very nice there in the end at the end of the end of the end.
great, compliments
Super cool! Next project, how about a stroh violin?
The soundpost: In French this piece is called l'âme, the soul. Poetic.
Great work! I can't wait to try out the Decent Sample library you posted too. Also, I don't know if this was intentional, but the lighting and colors in your workbench shots (from roughly 0:25 to 5:15 ) are extremely soothing and meditative. Those shots (or similar), possibly at slower speeds, would make a great, ambient "music video" for a track or two of the big, swelling reverbs you're getting out of that great super cool box violin.
This is an amazing sound
Very cool! Reminds me of some of the Scandinavian fiddles with resonant strings like the nyckelharpa, hardingfele, and låtfiol.
very cool! piece at the end is dope too
Oh, that's very nice to hear. All your videos are rich and interesting. Hope you sell this violins! I wish to have one.
Lovely haunting sound. Fabulous! Happiness!
Loved the video, although I was disappointed I didn't hear any pizzicato playing on that eerie piece of woodwork you've made!
Dave, love your explanation and the way you take the viewers through the process…💖👍👏👏👏👏
this totally belongs in a film score!!! so awesome!!!
It reminds me of when Andrew Bird recorded an album under the Hyperion River bridge in L.A., on the record appropriately titled “Echolocations: River”.
this has horror movie vibes all over it. I love it!
Cool! Electric violin with built-in reverb.
Thanks, this will be greatfull to improuve the sound of some kind of Rabeca Violin from Brazil.
Actually really love the reverb distortions, one of the quirks of the instrument
Wow!! Sounds amazing!!!❤️❤️❤️👍
This sounds absolutely amazing. Once you get the hang of it, or find a way to slightly dampen it to control it the way you’d like I really hope you start posting some full length songs with this. I’m genuinely excited about this
Try using different rubber washers with varying softness and rigidity between the chassis and the wood like shock absorbers. I’m going to try this! Thanks for the video!
That‘s a really cool video and I‘m only a few minutes in… The introduction was very good. I like the fact, that you explain, what a reverb spring does.
i love the texture of the finished product on my ears, what a cool thing you made! music experiments are so beyond worth embarking on. :)
You could get reverb tanks that clip onto a classical guitar bridge. Purely acoustic, just springs in a plastic box.
SO good! Love your channel David. Both entertaining and highly educational.
It sounds so beautiful. Your idea was really cool. If it does fall apart make another one. It's worth it.😊
I've done the same thing decades ago on my 1970's Conn home keyboard organ with that resonation & noise from the spring reverb tank, as when you push or bump around the organ which makes the springs go wack.
Wow I really want to hear more music played with this violin
That’s a great idea! Nice one mate