I have a Toyota proace electric which basically the same van, been using it for 3 months now and never needed to use a public charger, I can get about 170 miles from a single charge, still charge it every night as I never know what the next day might intel.
B button is for regeneration braking… where you charge the batteries each time you ease off the accelerator pedal. I have Citroen e dispatch and I turn to either gain more miles or loose almost nothing when you drive in Eco mode and B button turned on. … which took me over 2 months to figure out 😢 and wasted £ 💷 due to driving regularly in normal and sport mode with B turned off. Please stay away from Sport mode as this drains the battery too quickly, it turns the van into a beast, super fast 💨 💨💨
Not pressing the start/stop button before getting out is exactly the same as not turning the key to turn your normal car off. The engine/ignition is still on, so I think that’s perfectly normal rather than a quirk!
Have a Vivaro E company van. About 120-130 miles in ECO 1/2 loaded is what I’m finding on average. Its awful on motorways but good around town. Charging is a faff if you only have access to Quick Chargers. I love the smooth fast drive of the ev but would have the diesel engine instead if possible.
Those Gridserve Electric Highway units (at the services) are capable of charging both connectors at 150kW at the same time, but they are currently limited to one connector at 60kW because they replaced 1x 50kW ex-Ecotricity units without upgrading the supply. GS say they have a project going around upgrading the supply at each location so that the full capabilities can be unlocked, but obviously that's a slow process subject to DNOs, planning permissions, site owners, etc.
I have the Peugeot E-Expert (same van different badge). Real world range varies a lot. Current average efficiency is 2.5 miles per kWh. (Normal mode - rarely use ECO) Range from 150 to 190 miles but very weather dependent. (75kW battery) Wind is your worst enemy. It’s as aerodynamic as a brick. In strong headwinds you need to draft behind a truck. Strong Headwinds can lower the range to as little as 130 miles. Use it at legal van speeds and you get good range. Motorway about 63mph gives best range. Spec it with the 11kw onboard charger option as I only have the 7kW onboard charger and wish I had upgraded. The electric doors and keyless ignition are options. Rear camera option also a great investment. Has 180 degree view when reversing which helps when backing out from a charger. HUD is great. This week been to Edinburgh, Hull and Norwich. (1200 miles) Last month 3000 miles. It goes a long way and charges really well at 97kwh. Absolutely love it. Comfortable too.
@@AdrianMcDaid tough question to be exact but it’s about 50%. Cost charging at home is about £15 if I actually went 0-100%. Rapid Charging (Instavolt say at 50p per kWh from 10-80% (53kwh) £26.50 which is probably worst case unless I was absolutely desperate and went for Ionity!!) Diesel would cost me about £70 for about 400 miles when it was about £1.40 per litre. So home charging equivalent is £30 and rapid only is about £53. Ratio the fuel cost up to today and it would be about £85 per tank.
Hi Mark, I’m planning on getting one of these Stallentis vans and may I ask what your experience has been like now you’ve owned and driven one for over two years? What’s the range like with 500kg on board for instance? Cheers Geoff
B mode in EVs is "battery" mode. It turns the throttle into a combined throttle / brake so that when you back off it'll aggressively use regenerative braking
@@giacobbe1993 indeed, my mental processing was flawed thanks to beer. My thinking was that it dumps more energy into the battery with a heavier braking effect, but I wrote battery instead.
My confidence always grows a little in Electric vehicles pretty much every time I watch an Artisan video. I still think we are between 5-10 years until the charging infrastructure becomes more viable, that said things do seem to progress faster these days. Hopefully the Vauxhall will serve you and your business well. If not, maybe try another manufacturer for a month and say it will be featured on TH-cam 🤣. That said, I honestly believe your channel really could help promote the right EV van when you find it!
The charging network will progress with the number of vehicles on the road. It would be ridiculous to have a network similar to how we have petrol stations with relatively few EVs using them
And of course you kissed the main point that none of the existing power stations can keep up nor can "sustainable " generation....nuclear or coal is the only solution. And we forgot that we do all this in a clean environment while India and China buod a new coal station a day and have no controls or restrictions......lol And a one volcano would equal 5 years output of the entire world in one week....lalalala land is where people live.
on the gear shifter, B is for an agressive regenerative braking, so if you let off the accelerator it will engine brake a lot, so you can literally drive without having to use the brakes, unless you gotta stop fully. We got a Peugeot Partner and it's kinda the same truck since they're all owned by PSA/Stellantis
not owned by, but built by PSA. GM still owns Vauxhall, but just like most their compact cars are built by Suzuki, their vans and pickups are built by PSA and Toyota (depending on model)
CCS = Combined Charging System, because CCS contains of a type 2 plug for AC charging and in addition 2 prongs for high power DC charge. So CCS ensures compatibility to both, AC and DC charging.
You got it for a month?! I asked Vauxhall for an extended test drive of 24hrs and was told "no - test drives are 30-45 minutes". I explained I couldn't make the deicison to swap my Transporter for an electric Vivaro in 45 minutes, but they weren't interested in trying to secure a sale.
Citroën gave me my ë-Dispatch for 24 hours (having already given me a test drive in it) as a demonstrator before becoming the lawful and legal owner of it.
@@richardwalsh5882hi Richard, I’m thinking of buying an eDispatch 75kwh. I think most of my daily activities will require a 100 mile range, but I’ll have to go on longer journeys occasionally. I tend to drive at around 65 on road trips and 56 on A roads, what has been your experience with yours? Hope you don’t mind me asking, but owner-drivers are more likely to be realistic. Cheers Geoff
@@thumper1747 100 miles will be absolutely no difficulty with that. 160+ miles should be fairly easily achievable. As long as you avoid unnecessary acceleration and deceleration (i.e. try to maintain your movement where possible) then there should be no difficulties.
It’s the van I would definitely have bought. We run a service in the west of Ireland and need 150mile of range, however now retired.. I had VW synchro at £22000 18 years ago so this vans a good price.
@@camwinstone I assume you mean Fiat Scudo? All the same van tbf On a business lease factoring VED, fuel and maintenance I wouldn’t be surprised if the electric one was cheaper too!
As a self employed tiler a little battery van would be ideal for me doing about 40 is miles a day. But the cost of buying on is well out of my reach and to lease one would take god knows how long to be financially worth will.
Sorry am all for the electric and hybrid cars and vans but one thing i will miss is the yank leaver hand break. Something about the satisfying tug u got to give to apply it
CCS stands for Combined Charging System. The diesel Vivaro was a little underpowered for what I needed, especially when travelling in the highlands. Going up hills you had to drop at least one gear, (sometimes two) to maintain the speed/ Momentum. It was very comfortable mind you! I hope the EV version gets more punchy power delivery.
Honestly the difference between the Vivaro-E and the ABT-e is night and day, you'll enjoy it. Though it still annoys me that so many vehicles have the charging port at the front wing when realistically you're not supposed to reverse out into traffic. A silly design that hopefully gets rectified as time goes on.
@@marks-0-0 It was never meant to be "ready" it was merely a compliance vehicle to avoid being fined by the EU for missing the % of vehicles sold emissions targets.
Think the issue with vans is routing the cable , its got to be clear and fully insulated from the bodyshell easy enough in cars not so easy in vans with the potential for tools and materials flying around , large opening doors this is going to need a re jig internally . Plus you need to think about potential accidents wouldnt take much to rip a charge point out the rear pillar (which already carries low voltage cabling )
@@steverobinson8170 Surely it could go were the current fuel door is? There's already the fuel filler neck running down to the tank, and it should be trivial to use that routing for a thick cable instead.
I have found that B mode on my Zoe, is extra battery mode. Where it regenerates where ever it can. It well extends my battery loads. Gets around extra 30%
I second that. Our ZE50 R110 gains around 35% more range in B mode. We almost always use Eco mode too. In Summer, our range, when driven normally, and with a passenger and cargo, is slightly greater than Renault claim it to be.
On the Vivaro-e the charging port is located near the front on the nearside (RHD models), but I note that it still has the flap where the fuel filler would be on a diesel version of the van. Is there anything behind this flap on the Vivaro-e?
CCS - Combined Charging system. The reason being is that the socket in the car accepts AC (type 2) and DC rapid charging. B Mode is Braking mode as in stronger regen. Gridserve are waiting for a software update to allow both plugs to charge at once. Problem is, they have been waiting a year for the update.
I have found mine to be best van I have owned but so many people going electric we will have to lobby parliament to get something done about EV charging infrastructure.
Wicked van! Come across your vans every now an again around Cambridge, saw your Blue Caddy today, lovely looking van and great to see you keep it so clean🧽 keep up the good work love the videos 👍🏼
If you can charge your electric van from your own supply, then they are cheap to run. If you have to rely on public rapid charging then it gets qute expensive. On top of this there is a hefty price tag to buy new.
VW Transporter the iPhone of the van world. They're basically great to look at but are just the same van. Our sparkies of choise went from Transporters (had them since the T3!) to Transits about 8 years ago and have never looked back. Better value for money, better spec. Interestingly they moved to Vauxhall last year because they felt the Transits were soing the way of Transporters, and were getting bells and whistles to look the part but were basivally the same van. Intersting ro see your thoughts on the EV variant.
i work for openreach and they have them vivaro-e and every one who has one have complained about them they dont get any sort of good rang and they dont have there heating on at all
Looking into EV vans. Tanks for the review. Though not thorough, it did provide some insight. I am an electrician in the states. So I see you have great taste in tools!
Those Gridserve chargers with two outlets will allow dual charging but they're waiting for an update. To be fair to Gridserve they have communicated this with the public previously. Still frustrating though
Good and interesting vlog and also good comments by everyone. I am by no means an expert but something tells me that if technology allows the vehicle should produce its own electric via the turning of the wheels with power going into a heavy duty battery and also kinetic movement also generating electric, or even nuclear fusion inside a cell (safe of course) generating heat in a controlled module thereby powering the vehicle, best regards to you and everyone out there Mark from Billericay 😀👍🇬🇧
Jordan, You need to drive an ordinary EV rather then your Tesla and you'll see it is exactly the same at the Vivaro van. B gives you more regenerative braking when you let off the throttle, many EV's have B mode (not all) All other EV's require you too press a button to put it into Park as far as I know. Although turning the ignition off also puts it into Park. and like a combustion car you have to turn them off, either by pressing a button or turning the key, like your Transit and Caddy vans. Tesla's being very unique have given you a different prospective of all the other EV's available.
Opening the driver's door also puts it into Park - at least with the Citroën ë-Dispatch which is essentially the same van. (The ë-Dispatch is, of course, the better van though. All the cool kids drive them.)
I literally test drove one and spoke to vauxhall about it I'm a electrician and the main dealer said stay clear it wouldn't be suitable for me as the miles aren't great so I got a t6 instead
Ccs used to be cant charge successfully but not any more, your van will only take 100 max which is fast enough , you will never be zero and will likely stop at 90% , so it will take less than 30 minutes from 10 to 80 %
It's wrong to say it would be able to charge in 12min With charging you can't just divide charger KW by the vehicle KW to get charge time. No vehicle can charge at a constant 350kw.
"B" is for "Brake". It gives stronger regenarative braking. Almost "one pedal driving", though you still need to use the brakes to finally stop. Once you start using it, you'll never go back to 'normal' driving! It's more economical too.
You can't beat the Renault vans for stability even in cross winds. Opel Nissan and Renault all one van body. I have and 06 Renault Master campervan and it beats the Ford transit and Mercedes Sprinters for comfortand road holding and even the diesel versions are easy on fuel. Me a Bus man by trade so I drive all sorts of buses over nearly 40yrs.
What's the deal with racking the back out. Can you put good fixings in the floor. Obviously you don't wona be drilling through a battery. I use packout plates on the floor so if can't drill in be a nightmare
Vivaro only Achilles heal was the engine and gearbox so remove that and replace with motor and battery your all sorted. Good range, fast charging and plenty room
@@keithpardey1279 nah, lots of gearbox failures on Vivaro’s. The electric faults won’t be an issue with the ev version as doesn’t have same systems, looms etc.
For me it's still the Hybrid route. A Van with 100mile range on Electric plus a ICE engine for longer ranges while charging the main battery. That's the best of both worlds in my opinion. EVs only I always get the "Range Anxiousness" of not being able to get to a place to charge the vehicle and being stranded somewhere. With an Hybrid I'm always sure that when the batteries die I still have a ton on range on the good ICE technology. Plus when the batteries with time lose capacity you basically don't have a car that loses half of his potential. Maybe when battery chemistry evolves to something way better than Li-Ion and we get ranges almost equal or suppassing the old ICE engines then then the market will blow up and you will have EVs everywhere.
@@artisanelectrics It could be. Here in Mainland China, as a foreigner working in Industrial Electronics and Electricity I use an Hybrid and I can't be more happy for it. And I'm talking a country that invested heavily in EVs in the last 5 years, to the point that in Shenzhen all Taxis and Urban Buses are EVs, from their brands as BYD, Foton and Skywell.
Mate… those things are a gimmick.. With a set of roof racks/ ladder system And a constant load of 400 or so kilos, That thing is gonna average about 100km around town.. Not to mention running heating or AC.. also don’t keep playing with those auto doors either 😂 Think what happens to your all mighty lithium drill when you load it up a bit.. say a big holesaw or something… Same applies here..
My used ‘15 LEAF with a crappy 24 KwH battery got me over my range anxiety. If I can get 300 miles of range from an EV, I would never need an ICE again.
That van is the same inside as the citreon we have at work. I would assume they are just the same vans rebadged. The range on the ones we have are really bad in winter when using the heater. 60miles to a charge makes it unusable
No not joking, I handed it back and continued to use the renault kangoo with the diesel heater from factory so its not 0% emissions. That one will do 130 miles in summer and 80 -100 miles in winter with the heater. 2 gallon diesel tank that lasts around 1 month. Charge is maximum 7.5kwh and takes 5 hours to go from 0-100 %. I'm lucky I work with a large organisation with pool vans. I wouldn't waste my own money on one until they improve substantially.
11:20 My Peugeot e-208 has 217 mile range and I often charge from 50% to 90% using a 350kw charger in approx 30-45 mins. 12 mins charging has never been achieved by any car on an ultra rapid charger. I've driven from London to Canterbury and back on 1 charge during winter, eco mode all the way. The acceleration at the traffic light is beyond anything imaginable from a little Peugeot, 0-40mph in under 5 secs. Although, I'm swapping it in August 2022 for a Vauxhall E Vivaro van and using it as a design office on wheels (offering sameday custom e-commerce web design for high street shops) with a foldable desk and chair. Other days I'll be using the van for my mobile car detailing service and a smoothie bar on other days. I definitely think it's a van for all kinds of uses. Oh and 'B' stands for regen braking ;)
Handbrake! ;-) Not sure about those motorized doors... another thing to fail? Also, tell us the cost for a new fob... in 2010, Subaru was charging $300, and that wasn't even an EV. I assume things have only gotten worse! I'm a little surprised that the battery area is not covered by panels...
Could you see the Vivaro-E joining your fleet? Let us know below...
Never mind fleet, what about a campervan conversion?
I drive one for work. Been using it for about 5 months now. Its a great van and range is about 120 to 130 fully loaded.
The new Volkswagen Buzz gargo is almost here so I would personally wait for it if you have a change to get it.
I have a Toyota proace electric which basically the same van, been using it for 3 months now and never needed to use a public charger, I can get about 170 miles from a single charge, still charge it every night as I never know what the next day might intel.
But did you find the windscreen de-icer button or are you planning on doing it with a hands on approach?
B button is for regeneration braking… where you charge the batteries each time you ease off the accelerator pedal.
I have Citroen e dispatch and I turn to either gain more miles or loose almost nothing when you drive in Eco mode and B button turned on. … which took me over 2 months to figure out 😢 and wasted £ 💷 due to driving regularly in normal and sport mode with B turned off.
Please stay away from Sport mode as this drains the battery too quickly, it turns the van into a beast, super fast 💨 💨💨
Not pressing the start/stop button before getting out is exactly the same as not turning the key to turn your normal car off. The engine/ignition is still on, so I think that’s perfectly normal rather than a quirk!
A lot of modern cars do now turn off if your in park and open the door, just varies from brand to brand.
@@artisanelectrics ah, fair enough. I wasn’t aware of that.
@@artisanelectrics You mean Tesla does that. Most don't.
You would normally aim to charge up to 80% On a rapid charger. The last 20 slow down considerably. Great van though 👌
You need to load the rear with the same weight equivalent as your fully loaded vans. Then see what range you get.
I'll bet they are rated at full load. At least the Fords and VWs are.)
Have a Vivaro E company van. About 120-130 miles in ECO 1/2 loaded is what I’m finding on average. Its awful on motorways but good around town. Charging is a faff if you only have access to Quick Chargers. I love the smooth fast drive of the ev but would have the diesel engine instead if possible.
Those Gridserve Electric Highway units (at the services) are capable of charging both connectors at 150kW at the same time, but they are currently limited to one connector at 60kW because they replaced 1x 50kW ex-Ecotricity units without upgrading the supply.
GS say they have a project going around upgrading the supply at each location so that the full capabilities can be unlocked, but obviously that's a slow process subject to DNOs, planning permissions, site owners, etc.
I have the Peugeot E-Expert (same van different badge). Real world range varies a lot. Current average efficiency is 2.5 miles per kWh. (Normal mode - rarely use ECO)
Range from 150 to 190 miles but very weather dependent. (75kW battery)
Wind is your worst enemy. It’s as aerodynamic as a brick. In strong headwinds you need to draft behind a truck. Strong Headwinds can lower the range to as little as 130 miles.
Use it at legal van speeds and you get good range. Motorway about 63mph gives best range.
Spec it with the 11kw onboard charger option as I only have the 7kW onboard charger and wish I had upgraded.
The electric doors and keyless ignition are options.
Rear camera option also a great investment. Has 180 degree view when reversing which helps when backing out from a charger.
HUD is great.
This week been to Edinburgh, Hull and Norwich. (1200 miles)
Last month 3000 miles. It goes a long way and charges really well at 97kwh.
Absolutely love it. Comfortable too.
How your fuel savings ?
@@AdrianMcDaid tough question to be exact but it’s about 50%.
Cost charging at home is about £15 if I actually went 0-100%.
Rapid Charging (Instavolt say at 50p per kWh from 10-80% (53kwh) £26.50 which is probably worst case unless I was absolutely desperate and went for Ionity!!)
Diesel would cost me about £70 for about 400 miles when it was about £1.40 per litre.
So home charging equivalent is £30 and rapid only is about £53.
Ratio the fuel cost up to today and it would be about £85 per tank.
Had mine since October 2021 and regularly do 180 mile round trips.
How much would you say saved on fuel costs so far compared to diesel?
Hi Mark, I’m planning on getting one of these Stallentis vans and may I ask what your experience has been like now you’ve owned and driven one for over two years? What’s the range like with 500kg on board for instance? Cheers Geoff
B mode in EVs is "battery" mode. It turns the throttle into a combined throttle / brake so that when you back off it'll aggressively use regenerative braking
B stand for " Brake" mode but the concept is what you said
@@giacobbe1993 indeed, my mental processing was flawed thanks to beer. My thinking was that it dumps more energy into the battery with a heavier braking effect, but I wrote battery instead.
My confidence always grows a little in Electric vehicles pretty much every time I watch an Artisan video. I still think we are between 5-10 years until the charging infrastructure becomes more viable, that said things do seem to progress faster these days. Hopefully the Vauxhall will serve you and your business well. If not, maybe try another manufacturer for a month and say it will be featured on TH-cam 🤣. That said, I honestly believe your channel really could help promote the right EV van when you find it!
The charging network will progress with the number of vehicles on the road. It would be ridiculous to have a network similar to how we have petrol stations with relatively few EVs using them
And of course you kissed the main point that none of the existing power stations can keep up nor can "sustainable " generation....nuclear or coal is the only solution.
And we forgot that we do all this in a clean environment while India and China buod a new coal station a day and have no controls or restrictions......lol
And a one volcano would equal 5 years output of the entire world in one week....lalalala land is where people live.
Lee and Reubin were at home panicking when Jordan rang.
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on the gear shifter, B is for an agressive regenerative braking, so if you let off the accelerator it will engine brake a lot, so you can literally drive without having to use the brakes, unless you gotta stop fully.
We got a Peugeot Partner and it's kinda the same truck since they're all owned by PSA/Stellantis
not owned by, but built by PSA. GM still owns Vauxhall, but just like most their compact cars are built by Suzuki, their vans and pickups are built by PSA and Toyota (depending on model)
@@thesteelrodent1796 Vauxhall became a subsidiary of Stellantis in January 2021
CCS = Combined Charging System, because CCS contains of a type 2 plug for AC charging and in addition 2 prongs for high power DC charge. So CCS ensures compatibility to both, AC and DC charging.
to be clear its CCS2 (like type2 + DC) - in USA they have CCS1 (type1 + DC)
Much better than the P.O.S conversion you have Jordan! Buyers remorse...? Nicely done with the loan of the Vauxhall. And a nice surprise for Rueben.
You got it for a month?! I asked Vauxhall for an extended test drive of 24hrs and was told "no - test drives are 30-45 minutes". I explained I couldn't make the deicison to swap my Transporter for an electric Vivaro in 45 minutes, but they weren't interested in trying to secure a sale.
That's because they know it's shit!
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Citroën gave me my ë-Dispatch for 24 hours (having already given me a test drive in it) as a demonstrator before becoming the lawful and legal owner of it.
@@richardwalsh5882hi Richard, I’m thinking of buying an eDispatch 75kwh. I think most of my daily activities will require a 100 mile range, but I’ll have to go on longer journeys occasionally. I tend to drive at around 65 on road trips and 56 on A roads, what has been your experience with yours? Hope you don’t mind me asking, but owner-drivers are more likely to be realistic. Cheers Geoff
@@thumper1747 100 miles will be absolutely no difficulty with that. 160+ miles should be fairly easily achievable. As long as you avoid unnecessary acceleration and deceleration (i.e. try to maintain your movement where possible) then there should be no difficulties.
Nearly all the supermarkets here in southern France have big solar panel covered parking spaces with chargers
The “B” button, when active, gives your van a bit of a charge when you use your breaks.
It’s the van I would definitely have bought. We run a service in the west of Ireland and need 150mile of range, however now retired.. I had VW synchro at £22000 18 years ago so this vans a good price.
B on Stelantis vehicles selects Regen on.
It's not One pedal as you have in a Tesla but it gives you the equivalent of Engine Braking.
Anyone else think this was goingto be in Luton? Corey must’ve felt a shiver
Brilliant video! The B on the Gear Selector is for more regenerative braking for a more efficient drive and get some more range around town!
Although I just passed the domestic installer qualification, I still hope to buy this E-Van to develop my electrician career in the future.
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So you listened to me on the electric Vivaro, Expert, Dispatch!!! 👏🏻
Paying for the badge with that pitiful VW!
The ABT car was a really bad failure tbh, they should have at least put a 50-60kwh battery on it.
Also ProAce and Ulysses.
@@camwinstone I assume you mean Fiat Scudo? All the same van tbf
On a business lease factoring VED, fuel and maintenance I wouldn’t be surprised if the electric one was cheaper too!
@@kieranmccreedy271 yes, didn’t realise Fiat had different names for passenger/Cargo version.
As a self employed tiler a little battery van would be ideal for me doing about 40 is miles a day. But the cost of buying on is well out of my reach and to lease one would take god knows how long to be financially worth will.
Sorry am all for the electric and hybrid cars and vans but one thing i will miss is the yank leaver hand break. Something about the satisfying tug u got to give to apply it
I was part of the build team in Braintree gridserve. Going the Electrics and the chargers
CCS stands for Combined Charging System. The diesel Vivaro was a little underpowered for what I needed, especially when travelling in the highlands. Going up hills you had to drop at least one gear, (sometimes two) to maintain the speed/ Momentum. It was very comfortable mind you!
I hope the EV version gets more punchy power delivery.
I have the E expert 75kwh equivalent. The torque means you will be able to accelerate up that hill like it’s flatland.
@@CRAZYCR1T1C that makes sense, constant torque means better power up a hill. I bet I would eat the range somewhat though no?
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@@sharonbraselton4302 huh?????????
Honestly the difference between the Vivaro-E and the ABT-e is night and day, you'll enjoy it. Though it still annoys me that so many vehicles have the charging port at the front wing when realistically you're not supposed to reverse out into traffic. A silly design that hopefully gets rectified as time goes on.
I think VW had a cheek even selling the eTranspoter before it was ready for market.
VW will catch up soon enough i reckon.
@@marks-0-0 It was never meant to be "ready" it was merely a compliance vehicle to avoid being fined by the EU for missing the % of vehicles sold emissions targets.
Think the issue with vans is routing the cable , its got to be clear and fully insulated from the bodyshell easy enough in cars not so easy in vans with the potential for tools and materials flying around , large opening doors this is going to need a re jig internally . Plus you need to think about potential accidents wouldnt take much to rip a charge point out the rear pillar (which already carries low voltage cabling )
@@steverobinson8170 Surely it could go were the current fuel door is? There's already the fuel filler neck running down to the tank, and it should be trivial to use that routing for a thick cable instead.
But the cables need to get to the charger at the front. Most of the space that would be under the van is taken up by the battery.
B on my electric car is re gen braking so when you let off the accelerator it brakes for you and also charges your car at the same time 👍🏻
Basically one pedal driving
I have found that B mode on my Zoe, is extra battery mode. Where it regenerates where ever it can. It well extends my battery loads. Gets around extra 30%
I second that. Our ZE50 R110 gains around 35% more range in B mode. We almost always use Eco mode too. In Summer, our range, when driven normally, and with a passenger and cargo, is slightly greater than Renault claim it to be.
On the Vivaro-e the charging port is located near the front on the nearside (RHD models), but I note that it still has the flap where the fuel filler would be on a diesel version of the van. Is there anything behind this flap on the Vivaro-e?
Grid serve is right next to where I live, its sooooooooooooooo good haha
Great choice , real world range 150+, depends on driver , motor way driving speed, has good charge rate but depends on availability’s of chargers
Kemppi Chargers work properly you can charge on all the ports, and it splits the power with a "power router"
CCS - Combined Charging system. The reason being is that the socket in the car accepts AC (type 2) and DC rapid charging. B Mode is Braking mode as in stronger regen. Gridserve are waiting for a software update to allow both plugs to charge at once. Problem is, they have been waiting a year for the update.
Vauxhall/ I mean/ Peugeot, beating the giant VAG group. only a matter of time, I trust Jordan's assessment's
I have found mine to be best van I have owned but so many people going electric we will have to lobby parliament to get something done about EV charging infrastructure.
Wicked van! Come across your vans every now an again around Cambridge, saw your Blue Caddy today, lovely looking van and great to see you keep it so clean🧽 keep up the good work love the videos 👍🏼
Those are the old Ecotricity Gridserve chargers I think. The firmware hasn't been updated to allow dual charging.
thatsvçhef wat all ev dul charged dublechare mph per hour 2 fsst chef kw per hurs
10:04 Jordan waving goodbye to Electric VW Transporter 😂
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Having to actually turn a van off when you get out! What a ball ache hey 😂😂
If you can charge your electric van from your own supply, then they are cheap to run. If you have to rely on public rapid charging then it gets qute expensive. On top of this there is a hefty price tag to buy new.
What are the locks like as tradesmen vehicles are always broken in
Terrific review. Thank you ☘️
VW Transporter the iPhone of the van world. They're basically great to look at but are just the same van.
Our sparkies of choise went from Transporters (had them since the T3!) to Transits about 8 years ago and have never looked back. Better value for money, better spec. Interestingly they moved to Vauxhall last year because they felt the Transits were soing the way of Transporters, and were getting bells and whistles to look the part but were basivally the same van.
Intersting ro see your thoughts on the EV variant.
i work for openreach and they have them vivaro-e and every one who has one have complained about them they dont get any sort of good rang and they dont have there heating on at all
B mode boost energy recovery when you lift your foot off the accelerator, it feels like heavy engine breaking, you can almost drive with one pedal.
Looking into EV vans. Tanks for the review. Though not thorough, it did provide some insight. I am an electrician in the states. So I see you have great taste in tools!
No problem!
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Wow what a van Jordan 👍
So if I charge at BP or something where is that energy coming from ? Fossil fuels right? 🙄
Have a feeling Cory would have featured a guided tour of the battery storage area
Hi Jordan I don't know if you are aware but the Tesla superchargers are now open for anyone with CCS chargers.
0-80% in 45 mins @ 100kw - The last 20% takes quite a bit longer
Those Gridserve chargers with two outlets will allow dual charging but they're waiting for an update. To be fair to Gridserve they have communicated this with the public previously. Still frustrating though
@18:12 GridServe are rolling out updates on the chargers to allow dual charging, when they do, a sticker is added on the front of the unit.
Tell Elijah to get those st stickers off his wing mirrors 😂
Big fan of electric double side doors . No “slam bang, builders van” 35times a day on a street! And hands free, what’s not to like?
Good and interesting vlog and also good comments by everyone. I am by no means an expert but something tells me that if technology allows the vehicle should produce its own electric via the turning of the wheels with power going into a heavy duty battery and also kinetic movement also generating electric, or even nuclear fusion inside a cell (safe of course) generating heat in a controlled module thereby powering the vehicle, best regards to you and everyone out there Mark from Billericay 😀👍🇬🇧
That's what re-generative braking does, standard on pretty much EV ?
B mode is just brake mode so extra energy regeneration when you let off the accelerator
Jordan, You need to drive an ordinary EV rather then your Tesla and you'll see it is exactly the same at the Vivaro van.
B gives you more regenerative braking when you let off the throttle, many EV's have B mode (not all)
All other EV's require you too press a button to put it into Park as far as I know. Although turning the ignition off also puts it into Park.
and like a combustion car you have to turn them off, either by pressing a button or turning the key, like your Transit and Caddy vans.
Tesla's being very unique have given you a different prospective of all the other EV's available.
Opening the driver's door also puts it into Park - at least with the Citroën ë-Dispatch which is essentially the same van. (The ë-Dispatch is, of course, the better van though. All the cool kids drive them.)
Does this come in a crew Cab? (With 5 or 6 seats)
Cheeky post - I have an electric Exoert arriving April - bought electric Dispatch when I gave up waiting for it - let me know if you are interested.
The fence part got a lol from me! Really made me chuckle 😂
Another great video, keep it up guys!
I literally test drove one and spoke to vauxhall about it I'm a electrician and the main dealer said stay clear it wouldn't be suitable for me as the miles aren't great so I got a t6 instead
Not sure when this was recorded but I’m pretty sure that Tesla has opened their supercharges in Europe to EVs
They have opened some of them, but not all.
It looks very nice, better than the VW. Unfortunately Holden/Vauxhall have left Australia, so I guess that we won’t be seeing it here!
Ccs used to be cant charge successfully but not any more, your van will only take 100 max which is fast enough , you will never be zero and will likely stop at 90% , so it will take less than 30 minutes from 10 to 80 %
I believe that Gridserve charger are waiting on software to use both sides at the same time.
I wish they'd do the larger range (or ideally a bit more) version for the Vivaro Life passenger van. We're stuck with a dirty diesel.
It's wrong to say it would be able to charge in 12min
With charging you can't just divide charger KW by the vehicle KW to get charge time.
No vehicle can charge at a constant 350kw.
"B" is for "Brake". It gives stronger regenarative braking. Almost "one pedal driving", though you still need to use the brakes to finally stop. Once you start using it, you'll never go back to 'normal' driving! It's more economical too.
It's not as economical as coasting though, so really should only be used if you actually want to decelerate.
You can't beat the Renault vans for stability even in cross winds. Opel Nissan and Renault all one van body. I have and 06 Renault Master campervan and it beats the Ford transit and Mercedes Sprinters for comfortand road holding and even the diesel versions are easy on fuel. Me a Bus man by trade so I drive all sorts of buses over nearly 40yrs.
With so full a charge already in your van, you shouldn’t get much speed of charge.
I enjoyed watching the Video 😊
Glad you enjoyed
What's it like when you load it full of stuff, range wise.
What's the deal with racking the back out. Can you put good fixings in the floor. Obviously you don't wona be drilling through a battery. I use packout plates on the floor so if can't drill in be a nightmare
B stands for Balls Deep. It's a new varient of L but deeper. ;)
A year on, and I’ve never seen one on the road.....they must be popular ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi mate, any update on how the vivaro van and how you guys are coping with it ?👍
B mode turns up the regenerative braking (wish it was default)..
Opens electric door, 5 miles gone off the range.
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Phew glad it wasn’t frosty lol
Vivaro only Achilles heal was the engine and gearbox so remove that and replace with motor and battery your all sorted. Good range, fast charging and plenty room
Nowt wrong with the engine and gearbox, it was the shit electrics
@@keithpardey1279 nah, lots of gearbox failures on Vivaro’s. The electric faults won’t be an issue with the ev version as doesn’t have same systems, looms etc.
For me it's still the Hybrid route. A Van with 100mile range on Electric plus a ICE engine for longer ranges while charging the main battery.
That's the best of both worlds in my opinion. EVs only I always get the "Range Anxiousness" of not being able to get to a place to charge the vehicle and being stranded somewhere.
With an Hybrid I'm always sure that when the batteries die I still have a ton on range on the good ICE technology. Plus when the batteries with time lose capacity you basically don't have a car that loses half of his potential.
Maybe when battery chemistry evolves to something way better than Li-Ion and we get ranges almost equal or suppassing the old ICE engines then then the market will blow up and you will have EVs everywhere.
Great to hear your opinion, maybe hybrid is the option...
@@artisanelectrics It could be. Here in Mainland China, as a foreigner working in Industrial Electronics and Electricity I use an Hybrid and I can't be more happy for it.
And I'm talking a country that invested heavily in EVs in the last 5 years, to the point that in Shenzhen all Taxis and Urban Buses are EVs, from their brands as BYD, Foton and Skywell.
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All the vivaro range has 2 sliding doors , I’ve just took delivery of a new vivaro elite , nice van but couldn’t afford the electric version , 50k ☹️
Have you got an update on Viviro-E
Load it up with a tonne and see what it does with range?
Electric doors to run the battery down a bit more🤔
I agree. Just a gimmick in my eyes
Mate… those things are a gimmick..
With a set of roof racks/ ladder system
And a constant load of 400 or so kilos,
That thing is gonna average about 100km around town..
Not to mention running heating or AC..
also don’t keep playing with those auto doors either 😂
Think what happens to your all mighty lithium drill when you load it up a bit.. say a big holesaw or something…
Same applies here..
Personally, I would go Toyota Proace electric, as in my experience, the dealer service is better than Vauxhall. However, similar vans.
Speed difference interesting. I did not realise the VW had implemented a speed limit. Also your BW is fully loaded ~ what 3/4 Tonnes in metric?
I'm surprised you didn't go through half your charge just getting out of Stortford services.. That place is a nightmare..
Great video - my company are looking to get a fleet of E-vans - will forward this to my fleet chappie for consideration
My used ‘15 LEAF with a crappy 24 KwH battery got me over my range anxiety. If I can get 300 miles of range from an EV, I would never need an ICE again.
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That van is the same inside as the citreon we have at work. I would assume they are just the same vans rebadged. The range on the ones we have are really bad in winter when using the heater. 60miles to a charge makes it unusable
60 miles your joking ,that pathetic.
No not joking, I handed it back and continued to use the renault kangoo with the diesel heater from factory so its not 0% emissions. That one will do 130 miles in summer and 80 -100 miles in winter with the heater. 2 gallon diesel tank that lasts around 1 month. Charge is maximum 7.5kwh and takes 5 hours to go from 0-100 %. I'm lucky I work with a large organisation with pool vans. I wouldn't waste my own money on one until they improve substantially.
Ford E Transit currently on customer trial in Germany . 10 000 UK pre orders already .
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11:20 My Peugeot e-208 has 217 mile range and I often charge from 50% to 90% using a 350kw charger in approx 30-45 mins. 12 mins charging has never been achieved by any car on an ultra rapid charger. I've driven from London to Canterbury and back on 1 charge during winter, eco mode all the way. The acceleration at the traffic light is beyond anything imaginable from a little Peugeot, 0-40mph in under 5 secs. Although, I'm swapping it in August 2022 for a Vauxhall E Vivaro van and using it as a design office on wheels (offering sameday custom e-commerce web design for high street shops) with a foldable desk and chair. Other days I'll be using the van for my mobile car detailing service and a smoothie bar on other days. I definitely think it's a van for all kinds of uses. Oh and 'B' stands for regen braking ;)
Handbrake! ;-) Not sure about those motorized doors... another thing to fail? Also, tell us the cost for a new fob... in 2010, Subaru was charging $300, and that wasn't even an EV. I assume things have only gotten worse! I'm a little surprised that the battery area is not covered by panels...
Don’t forget the upcoming VW ID Buzz van that should be even better and been getting rave reviews ! Available later this year.
I love mine I run it to 50% then do a quick top off 12 min to 80%