My wife's 2013 Rogue was the last of the Japan-built Nissan Rogues. With proper maintenance, the CVT lasted just shy of 11 years (115k miles). I replaced the Rogue with a 2024 CX-30.
Yeah, that kinda sux lol. I've never owned a car with less than 100k miles and aside from one real clunker Chevy S10, I've never had a total transmission failure. And that's with complete neglect aside from the occasional top-off of red trans fluid.
Those early ones were known for exploding so you got lucky! My maxima made it to 160kmi before I sold it so i was lucky too. i Ironically swapped to a new mazda as well! (2023 mazda3 turbo hatch)
Honestly that’s a short amount of time. I’ve owned several Acuras that got well over 160, 170 and 220K miles before selling them without any engine or transmission issues.
i drive a 23 years old honda with CVT, I change oil every 2 years. i dont do any maintenance. it drives like new. get honda or toyota. or maybe subaru.
I purchased a 2012 Subaru Impreza hatchback second hand in 2018 with 50K miles. The CVT transmission gave out at 101K miles, less than 1500 miles out of warranty, and Subaru offered me $500 towards the fix. At the time my vehicle was worth $8K (pre transmission issue) and it would’ve cost $7500 to replace the transmission since it was not fixable. Subaru extended the warranty on those cars from 60K miles to 100K miles and even reduced the oil change interval recommendations because they knew how poor they were. Long story short that was my last Subaru and the last car i’ll purchase with a non-hybrid CVT transmission.
Doesn't help that automakers are purposely deceptive about their CVT's & the "lifetime fluids" in it. Lifetime of the 60K powertrain warranty is more like it. You have to drive them a certain way (relatively gently/subdued) & change the CVT fluid every 20-30K miles if you expect them to last longer-term. Some of the belt/chain CVT designs are better than others, but the rules still apply really on how you need to treat them. Better to buy a hybrid with a completely different design "eCVT" (no belt/chain) if you are going to get something with a "CVT".
When will you begin getting access to Mercedes-Benz cars to review? Would you like you to review the German built models to see what your thoughts are.
CVT is great for the right purpose. I prefer them for the following reasons: 1. More efficient - That’s why they are getting more common because they reduce fuel consumption. 2. Continuous drive - No power gap which occurs during an auto/manual gear change. My wheels are always driven. 3. Smooth - I particularly enjoy descending hills with adaptive cruise control engaged because the vehicle doesn’t have to brake.
Manual 18 Forester owner. My wife's CVT Outback feels disconnected from the road, and from the engine. That said, we did a 900 mile trip, at 80mph on open farm-field-surrounded windy flatlands, with four humans, a 70lb dog, loaded to the ceiling....and got 31.8 mpg at the pump doing it. CVTs WORK, but are not for the enthusiast. I'll also say her car is CRAZY quiet, quieter than my manual forester, which I spent $400 and over ten hours sound deadening. The CVT allows the engine to run at damn near idle, vs 3k rpm on the highway, so the drive train noise is much less invasive into the cabin. I do question the towing capacity of the car too. Also, by using the paddle Shifters and downshifting, you can force the CVT into the higher Rpms, therefor putting the car into the power band, and scratching the "pull and power" itch. That said, I'll have a manual until the government says I'm not allowed to anymore, because the government gets everything right...
I did what you're saying. I had a key assault to CvT in it. And it does feel pretty disconnected. But at least that one was too, like a regular automatic. So it sounded like and felt like a normal automatic most of the time. And I agree with the whole towing situation since I understand in SUVs that they use a slightly heavier duty belt and a few other components in the CVT to allow it to tow And be able to take the higher power engines that are easily in those vehicles. But I would rather want a standard automatic in that way so you can manually change the gears and have it be a lot more durable than doing so.
@@fffwe3876 I suppose that would be the way that different car manufacturers can distinguish themselves, while they all have cvts some of them will be better at Towing some of them will be better off the line some of them will be better fuel efficiency and that's how they would Market it. Kind of like how everyone has a giant display nowadays there's got to be something that distinguish them
@@alanclarkeauAgain, I've heard that fluid change is especially some of the dealerships are very expensive on CBTs. Plus a lot of independent shops won't work on them for that reason. Most would rather replace them than that to try to fix them if they had an issue due to how complex they are.
My daughter has a 22 Kicks, I've told her and keep reminding her that before 50000kms she needs to change her transmission fluids. Seems the right vehicle for a CVT, low horsepower, front wheel drive. Not asking it to do too much.
Honestly, there may be driven in the city and in the most efficient way possible. If you're constantly flooring it, it's gonna wear it out A lot faster than a standard transmission. That said, if you drive it the way it's meant to be driven, you can get an excellent economy while also having a smooth power delivery and just make sure you're constantly changing the fluids properly like any transmission. That said, it's not for everybody, but I personally enjoy the vehicles I've driven with this cvt. I don't drive very fast anyway.
I’ve owned two. Both Toyota. Both excellent for what they are. I hate CVTs on principle, but they probably have a place. Never had any issues. Subaru I hear does them well, I’ve driven a couple in loaners but I frankly don’t remember their performance to mention to.
Both our vehicles have CVTs. I actually prefer them over a conventional automatic, for a couple of reasons. They are smoother and quieter in operation than a conventional automatic. In the case of my Venza (eCVT), it is far less complicated and much more reliable than any other transmission available. Aside from reliability issues, most people don't like CVTs because of the way most enthusiast reviewers hate on them. Many people think they suck because their favorite reviewers said they suck.
I like them because they are smooth. Lots of vehicles have a slightly jerk or change in power when they shift- not a problem with CVT’s. The speed limited goes from 35 to 55, you start to lean into the gas to accelerate. You are a quarter on the throttle, at 45 MPH, and it shifts can then you stop gaining speed- you have to press the gas more. That is why I love CVT’s- more specifically eCVT’s.
@@djplonghead5403different gadgets altogether. A CVT is a complex belt (steel belt with hundreds of components to make just the belt) drive, and expensive to repair or replace. eCVT hasn't got a belt in sight - will last the life of the vehicle with only minimal maintenance.
@@djplonghead5403I got a CVT which is not a hybrid and it’s so quiet and smooth and on highway it’s smooth as hell, I don’t even have to get to 3000rpms, most of the time I’m in 2000rpms.
I've been driving CVTs since the Honda HX in late 90s, but mostly on Subarus . Never had a problem with any of them. Yeah, manuals can be more fun, chirping tires... but for a combo of performance & mpg, CVTs are hard to beat.
Remember, there is no such thing as "lifetime" fluid" for any transmission, including CVTs. I personally don't like CVTs, but if I had a vehicle with one, I would change the CVT oil every 30-60k, regardless of the manufacturer.
I had a 2016 Subaru Forester with a CVT and replaced it with a 2024 Mazda CX-50 with a 6-speed auto. Both non-turbo. Even though the CX-50 is faster 0-60, likely because of the traditional gear launch advantage you mention, the Forester felt more powerful in regular driving, probably because it's always in the power band, not hunting gears or waiting for a downshift. I 100% agree that a traditional automatic, or DCT, is absolutely better paired to more powerful engines. But for small, low power engines, I think CVT might be a better driving experience. Right tool for right job.
CVTs work best with small underpowered engines on paper but at the same time having an underpowered engine makes their odd character painfully obvious.
Not necessarily, it depends how one drives it. I have a 2020 Corolla LE with 139 hp and it uses the CVT, so smooth, you don’t even hear the shifts at all even from the stop.
I bought new a Mazda CX-30 in Sept. 2021 as had a lot of trouble with my 2014 Ford Focus (bought used in 2016) with its infamous DCT. For sure that exxperience and of many issues with CVT's I wanted a small vehicle with a real automatic transmission.
My wife has 2014 Forester XT with CVT. While it is not my idea of fun, I can appreciate how totally smooth and non-dramatic it is accelerating and it is pretty responsive for what it is. The non-turbo Crosstrek and Forester loaners I've had from Subaru are terrible however. I think it is the combination of lack of low end torque and a different CVT type used for non-turbos.
I had a 2012 Mitsubishi Outlander with the dreaded Jatco CVT. It felt so slushy, but did allow for pretty good mileage. It was starting to fail at 88k miles, but was replaced under warranty at no cost. My current car is a 2021 Kia Soul with a CVT that shifts so much better. In sport mode it really changes the simulated shift points and hold gears much longer. In regular mode, it simulates shifts smoothly and offers great economy. I learned from the Mitsubishi, and had the fluid drained and replaced at 50k, so hopefully it will last. That’s my only concern.
The first car I purchased with a CVT was a Nissan Altima. I didn't even know it had a CVT until owning it for about 4 years. Never had any problems with it. Eventually gave the car away and it's still running without issue with over 120k miles on it. The new owners don't know it's a CVT or even what a CVT is. 😊
I have a 2020 subaru and at about 65 thousand miles the cvt transmision went out if I hadn't had extended warranty it would have cost me 13 thousand dollars to replace at subaru ,my next car will not have a cvt.
We have a '20 Legacy with the 2.5, and a '21 Outback XT. I love the CVT's! They don't let the cars gain speed unless I want to. (My 5-speed manual Passat would pick up speed when I eased up on the gas - both from the engine/tubo having spooled up. The same is true of other cars I've had with conventional automatic transmissions.) The CVT's can 'crawl' up any hill much more controllably than any other car I've ever driven, and once you're going 25 or 30mph, they accelerate well.
I've owned two vehicles with CVT, a Nissan Sentra and Subaru Crosstrek. Never again! Problems and droning. I have a Mazda CX-5 now and it's much better
I’m a manual guy but I’ve enjoyed daily driving CVTs in a few of my rental cars. It accelerates so smoothly and the revs stay really low, helping to get that great fuel economy.
It's too bad that the younger generation never got to experience the beloved 2 speed Powerglide transmissions. They were very reliable and got the job done.
Ouch, can’t blame you. Probably that solenoid issue with the torque converter🤕 Subaru was jumping the gun on replacing transmissions but that’s still unfortunately common.
I drove a 2017 Honda civic for a few years then switched to BMW 430i. I have to say, sometimes I miss the smoothness of the CVT the civic had. But overall, the ZF 8 speed auto is a MUCH better transmission overall. But that might be because I tend to drive my cars more spiritedly.
What I experienced with my 2014 outback this year is I had a little noise occurring when revving the engine. Took it to dealer and they confirmed that it was the CVT. They also told me Subaru does not allow them to open up the CVT since it’s a closed unit, and they would have to replace the entire thing for $12k. Subaru refused to help me after I called them and opened a case. I fortunately had an extended warranty cause I bought the car used and this saved my ass. Car is not even worth $12k..
@@alvinsimba734 to my knowledge they won’t do this. I spoke directly with Subaru America and they agreed with the dealer. Though they did not look at it themselves (not sure they even do this)
First, I recognize the old Macy’s in Bloomington. Do you ever go to car meet ups in Bloomington? Second, as an owner of previous Acuras my wife insisted we get a Subaru Outback. She always wanted one so we picked up a 2021 Outback Limited. I was honestly pretty shocked how well Subaru does their CVT. Is it better than an automatic? Honestly, it depends. Some times yes and sometimes no. I just recently picked up a Legacy Touring XT and I love it. Yeah, it’s not as sporty as a 6 or 8 speed auto but also theyre still all autos. If you want a true sporty experience buy a manual.
Technically, it’s both. Because the cvt keeps the engine in the most efficient gearing ratio for its specific power band and torque curve meaning it stays in the rpm as you drive. So the cvt causes the engine to drown, but the sound itself comes from the engine.
From a reliability perspective, I'd rather have a regular automatic transmission...except it's a Honda automatic that was made in the 90's. Otherwise, I don't notice when the transmission in my car shifts up, so I probably won't mind a CVT from a driving perspective.
Just found your channel! Very well done. Added benefit is getting to see local scenery. I'd love to see a video on the best "soft-roader," say cruising around the dirt roads in Bloomington area, but not rock climbing. Subie's an obvious choice--scared to death of the out of warranty work on a Volvo--does a lexus RX fit? Mazda? What's out there?
I want either a Crosstrek WRX or a Spirit Racing CX-30, whichever company comes out with their performance oriented lifted hatchback first. Made in Japan preferably. As it is though, the CX-30 looks so much better inside and out. Whoever designed that Crosstrek Wilderness and whoever implemented the large laggy touchscreen and put the climate controls in the touchscreen needs to be fired. The one advantage of the Crosstrek is that Subaru does a much better job with interior space/packaging and visibility.
The new wrx is basically a crosstrek if you buy $400 lifting springs. The main difference is that it doesn’t have a hatch though. Which is admittedly a big issue.
We had a 2019 Forester and now a 2024 Outback and we find that these Subaru CVT’s are a great partner for their auto cruise control systems. There is no gear hunting, abruptness, or big speed variation - even on hilly roads. It’s one of our favorite features on the car!
Are Subaru CVTs now made or designed by Aisin/Toyota or are they made or designed in-house by Subaru? I know that Toyota’s older CVTs found in the CHR and 2014-2019 Corolla lack the launch gear, and Subaru used to get CVTs from JATCO (Nissan) until a few years ago
I too was torn between a mazda and subaru for my daily. I have owned vehicles from both brands in the past but only with manual transmissions. This time I wanted an automatic, well not really, but I knew this car would get passed on to my daughter, so it made sense. I was initially drawn to the mazda because as an enthusiast all I have ever heard was just how horrible CVTs were. Well, after being thoroughly turned off by mazdas horrible infotainment system, I went to check out a subaru with the dreaded CVT. I was immediately shocked at how much I didnt hate it. I am now the proud owner of a 2024 impreza RS. I have no complaints with the car at all.
@@theredsalmon612 Not by a long shot. Sometimes it isnt snappy fast, but it is very well laid out and easy to use. Its operating system is is initiative and just makes sense. For anyone that actually likes to use the tech the car came with and not just a couple things on the favorites tab, the mazda system blows.
The wilderness is amazing, but I'd probably have spent a few grand more for a manual version. Just bought a WRX TR, absolutely awesome car for what it is, and for what it will eventually become.
Same here, but most people still can’t afford an EV with respectable range / charging time, so id get why even an enthusiast might compromise if they already have a fun car!
A well cared for conventional automatic will last 50% longer in most cases. This really matters to the second and third owners of these cars. Transmission failure on a modern car is financially devastating if you're poor.
2017 Subaru Forester XT was a brilliant car, it was fast, fuel efficient (for a brick) and quiet. Acceleration was smooth, she'd pull every launch and I never once felt a CVT rubber banding effect that people talked about. Fast Forward 170,000 km and on the 3rd CVT we sold it. Now the CVT in a Toyota Yaris, is a slushy POS, that's where I felt the rubber band effect, lack of power, lots of noise. I had to put it into simulated manual mode to make that car go anywhere at anything above a snails pace. The car I have now (Suzuki) has a traditional gearbox and I really miss the smoothness and performance of the Subaru CVT, I think it would get more kpl too.
To me, our 2022 Subaru Legacy Limited XT performs just fine for what is. It's a family sedan with some b@lls, not a sports sedan. I think the Subarus without turbo are slugs and the CVT stands out more with them but people love them anyway. The 10-speed automatic in my 2019 Mustang GT, on the other hand, sucked, and some other 'modern' automatics we've owned have had their own quirks.
@@djplonghead5403, I had a few occasions where my car suddenly lurched forward at low speed. I almost ran into the car in front of me. I bought it as one year old used and then had multiple climate control issues. I solved all of it by selling it back to the Ford dealer for more than I had paid three years earlier.
Want to find out the reality of a Subaru CVT value? Simply take the one that you own, any model with the CVT and try to trade it in. My CVT Subaru lost trade in value far more than my earlier transmission model Subarus that were also much better off road.
Mmm…no lol. N/A Subarus even with the CVT, hold value just as any Japanese car does. But you’re probably one of those guys who looks at clapped out WRXs, that blow, and say “damn Subarus” lol
@@jimjohnson4072 I have had three Subarus. My 2005 Outback XT held value well and was my favorite vehicle ever. My wifes 2011 ForesterXT was great and held value. My 2016 Outback 3.6 CVT model failed and I was offered 3200 less for it in trade from the original dealer that I had purchased it from than 3 other brand dealers. And this was with a new CVT in it.
I'm satisfied with the CVT in my Encore GX. The VT-40 in the GX is a night and day difference versus the VT-25 (VTi) that GM came out with two decades ago. I had a 2004 Saturn ION with the VTi, which would sometimes hesitate to launch. That said, I might still rank the Saturn's CVT above the Ford DCT that was in the Focus.
CVT’s are fine and work well. Most people view and drive their cars like an appliance. Others appreciate their cars for various reasons or purposes. People who enjoy driving tend to maintain the car, understand and use features, and enjoy the interaction between driver and vehicle. I personally don’t want a CVT. Even the faux paddle shifters give a sense of being part of the car.✌️
A CVT by good manufacturers (such as Honda, Toyota, and Subaru) can be reliable if taken care of, with proper maintenance and not harsh acceleration. A CVT won't be reliable if it's made like Nissan, for example, or any German brands, or any American brands, even with care, they will fail early and be costly to replace. You can find a good car with a CVT transmission, it's a matter of knowing what to look for and what to avoid
Find another subject to talk about if you've never owned one or even if you have they do not hold up maybe in a few years but don't get the consumer stuck on them on them Nissan has ruined them for everyone
My wife's 2013 Rogue was the last of the Japan-built Nissan Rogues. With proper maintenance, the CVT lasted just shy of 11 years (115k miles). I replaced the Rogue with a 2024 CX-30.
Yeah, that kinda sux lol. I've never owned a car with less than 100k miles and aside from one real clunker Chevy S10, I've never had a total transmission failure. And that's with complete neglect aside from the occasional top-off of red trans fluid.
Those early ones were known for exploding so you got lucky! My maxima made it to 160kmi before I sold it so i was lucky too. i Ironically swapped to a new mazda as well! (2023 mazda3 turbo hatch)
Honestly that’s a short amount of time. I’ve owned several Acuras that got well over 160, 170 and 220K miles before selling them without any engine or transmission issues.
@@atmartens exactly right. A CVT that has to be babied to get to 100k+ miles is suspect
i drive a 23 years old honda with CVT, I change oil every 2 years. i dont do any maintenance.
it drives like new. get honda or toyota. or maybe subaru.
I purchased a 2012 Subaru Impreza hatchback second hand in 2018 with 50K miles. The CVT transmission gave out at 101K miles, less than 1500 miles out of warranty, and Subaru offered me $500 towards the fix. At the time my vehicle was worth $8K (pre transmission issue) and it would’ve cost $7500 to replace the transmission since it was not fixable. Subaru extended the warranty on those cars from 60K miles to 100K miles and even reduced the oil change interval recommendations because they knew how poor they were. Long story short that was my last Subaru and the last car i’ll purchase with a non-hybrid CVT transmission.
It was the first model year of that generation. Never a good idea
"So what all goes wrong? Well, a few things"
-hard cuts to ad for car dealership 😅
Doesn't help that automakers are purposely deceptive about their CVT's & the "lifetime fluids" in it. Lifetime of the 60K powertrain warranty is more like it. You have to drive them a certain way (relatively gently/subdued) & change the CVT fluid every 20-30K miles if you expect them to last longer-term. Some of the belt/chain CVT designs are better than others, but the rules still apply really on how you need to treat them. Better to buy a hybrid with a completely different design "eCVT" (no belt/chain) if you are going to get something with a "CVT".
So because it requires a bit more care and thought that makes it so bad??
Your video comes at a great time since I'm debating between the Crosstrek and the CX 30! A great video!!
Driven the 2020 crosstrek quite a bit... my least favorite aspect of the car is acceleration lag, which I attribute to the CVT.
Get the cx 30
When will you begin getting access to Mercedes-Benz cars to review? Would you like you to review the German built models to see what your thoughts are.
CVT is great for the right purpose. I prefer them for the following reasons:
1. More efficient - That’s why they are getting more common because they reduce fuel consumption.
2. Continuous drive - No power gap which occurs during an auto/manual gear change. My wheels are always driven.
3. Smooth - I particularly enjoy descending hills with adaptive cruise control engaged because the vehicle doesn’t have to brake.
Manual 18 Forester owner.
My wife's CVT Outback feels disconnected from the road, and from the engine.
That said, we did a 900 mile trip, at 80mph on open farm-field-surrounded windy flatlands, with four humans, a 70lb dog, loaded to the ceiling....and got 31.8 mpg at the pump doing it. CVTs WORK, but are not for the enthusiast.
I'll also say her car is CRAZY quiet, quieter than my manual forester, which I spent $400 and over ten hours sound deadening. The CVT allows the engine to run at damn near idle, vs 3k rpm on the highway, so the drive train noise is much less invasive into the cabin.
I do question the towing capacity of the car too.
Also, by using the paddle Shifters and downshifting, you can force the CVT into the higher Rpms, therefor putting the car into the power band, and scratching the "pull and power" itch.
That said, I'll have a manual until the government says I'm not allowed to anymore, because the government gets everything right...
I did what you're saying. I had a key assault to CvT in it. And it does feel pretty disconnected. But at least that one was too, like a regular automatic. So it sounded like and felt like a normal automatic most of the time. And I agree with the whole towing situation since I understand in SUVs that they use a slightly heavier duty belt and a few other components in the CVT to allow it to tow And be able to take the higher power engines that are easily in those vehicles. But I would rather want a standard automatic in that way so you can manually change the gears and have it be a lot more durable than doing so.
try new cvt from Toyota or honda. they feel different not as good as manuals but much much better than other cvts.
@@fffwe3876 I suppose that would be the way that different car manufacturers can distinguish themselves, while they all have cvts some of them will be better at Towing some of them will be better off the line some of them will be better fuel efficiency and that's how they would Market it. Kind of like how everyone has a giant display nowadays there's got to be something that distinguish them
90% of these ppl wouldnt know they were driving a cvt if not told
I was going to say the same thing, but 99%. Aside from 'driving enthusiasts', most people wouldn't know my wife's 2022 Legacy Limited XT has a CVT.
Till the bills start rolling in on the CVT.
They will know soon enough post-warranty if they don't drive it relatively gently during its life & don't change the CVT fluid every 20-30k miles.
@@alanclarkeauAgain, I've heard that fluid change is especially some of the dealerships are very expensive on CBTs. Plus a lot of independent shops won't work on them for that reason. Most would rather replace them than that to try to fix them if they had an issue due to how complex they are.
Most people don't know that their Volvo & MG cars are Chinese.....amazes me that people don't research before they buy
My daughter has a 22 Kicks, I've told her and keep reminding her that before 50000kms she needs to change her transmission fluids. Seems the right vehicle for a CVT, low horsepower, front wheel drive. Not asking it to do too much.
Only CVT I will buy is an E-CVT. Totally different animal.
A CVT immediately crosses a vehicle off my shopping list
and if its a Toyota CVT ?
CVTs are good bro, I got one and you just need to be easy on them and they will be too easy for you.
It’s not the end of the world as long as you manage your expectations - a satisfied Outback wilderness owner
Honestly, there may be driven in the city and in the most efficient way possible. If you're constantly flooring it, it's gonna wear it out A lot faster than a standard transmission. That said, if you drive it the way it's meant to be driven, you can get an excellent economy while also having a smooth power delivery and just make sure you're constantly changing the fluids properly like any transmission. That said, it's not for everybody, but I personally enjoy the vehicles I've driven with this cvt. I don't drive very fast anyway.
I’ve owned two. Both Toyota. Both excellent for what they are. I hate CVTs on principle, but they probably have a place. Never had any issues.
Subaru I hear does them well, I’ve driven a couple in loaners but I frankly don’t remember their performance to mention to.
Both our vehicles have CVTs. I actually prefer them over a conventional automatic, for a couple of reasons. They are smoother and quieter in operation than a conventional automatic. In the case of my Venza (eCVT), it is far less complicated and much more reliable than any other transmission available. Aside from reliability issues, most people don't like CVTs because of the way most enthusiast reviewers hate on them. Many people think they suck because their favorite reviewers said they suck.
I like them because they are smooth. Lots of vehicles have a slightly jerk or change in power when they shift- not a problem with CVT’s.
The speed limited goes from 35 to 55, you start to lean into the gas to accelerate. You are a quarter on the throttle, at 45 MPH, and it shifts can then you stop gaining speed- you have to press the gas more. That is why I love CVT’s- more specifically eCVT’s.
Toyota eCVT is not really a CVT. 1 ICE + 2 electric motors + planetary gear. No belt, no chain, no pulleys.
@@djplonghead5403different gadgets altogether. A CVT is a complex belt (steel belt with hundreds of components to make just the belt) drive, and expensive to repair or replace.
eCVT hasn't got a belt in sight - will last the life of the vehicle with only minimal maintenance.
@@alanclarkeau I know. I was just saying that because they make a similar sound and have no true gears.
I love Toyota hybrids!
@@djplonghead5403I got a CVT which is not a hybrid and it’s so quiet and smooth and on highway it’s smooth as hell, I don’t even have to get to 3000rpms, most of the time I’m in 2000rpms.
I've been driving CVTs since the Honda HX in late 90s, but mostly on Subarus . Never had a problem with any of them. Yeah, manuals can be more fun, chirping tires... but for a combo of performance & mpg, CVTs are hard to beat.
Agreed.
and just ease of driving. most of problems people are having are nissan or Hyundai/KIA CVTs.
but if you were driving a Hyundai the engines goes first.
Remember, there is no such thing as "lifetime" fluid" for any transmission, including CVTs. I personally don't like CVTs, but if I had a vehicle with one, I would change the CVT oil every 30-60k, regardless of the manufacturer.
I had a 2016 Subaru Forester with a CVT and replaced it with a 2024 Mazda CX-50 with a 6-speed auto. Both non-turbo. Even though the CX-50 is faster 0-60, likely because of the traditional gear launch advantage you mention, the Forester felt more powerful in regular driving, probably because it's always in the power band, not hunting gears or waiting for a downshift. I 100% agree that a traditional automatic, or DCT, is absolutely better paired to more powerful engines. But for small, low power engines, I think CVT might be a better driving experience. Right tool for right job.
CVTs work best with small underpowered engines on paper but at the same time having an underpowered engine makes their odd character painfully obvious.
Not necessarily, it depends how one drives it. I have a 2020 Corolla LE with 139 hp and it uses the CVT, so smooth, you don’t even hear the shifts at all even from the stop.
I bought new a Mazda CX-30 in Sept. 2021 as had a lot of trouble with my 2014 Ford Focus (bought used in 2016) with its infamous DCT. For sure that exxperience and of many issues with CVT's I wanted a small vehicle with a real automatic transmission.
My wife has 2014 Forester XT with CVT. While it is not my idea of fun, I can appreciate how totally smooth and non-dramatic it is accelerating and it is pretty responsive for what it is.
The non-turbo Crosstrek and Forester loaners I've had from Subaru are terrible however. I think it is the combination of lack of low end torque and a different CVT type used for non-turbos.
I had a 2012 Mitsubishi Outlander with the dreaded Jatco CVT. It felt so slushy, but did allow for pretty good mileage. It was starting to fail at 88k miles, but was replaced under warranty at no cost. My current car is a 2021 Kia Soul with a CVT that shifts so much better. In sport mode it really changes the simulated shift points and hold gears much longer. In regular mode, it simulates shifts smoothly and offers great economy. I learned from the Mitsubishi, and had the fluid drained and replaced at 50k, so hopefully it will last. That’s my only concern.
The first car I purchased with a CVT was a Nissan Altima. I didn't even know it had a CVT until owning it for about 4 years. Never had any problems with it. Eventually gave the car away and it's still running without issue with over 120k miles on it. The new owners don't know it's a CVT or even what a CVT is. 😊
I have a 2020 subaru and at about 65 thousand miles the cvt transmision went out if I hadn't had extended warranty it would have cost me 13 thousand dollars to replace at subaru ,my next car will not have a cvt.
I have a 2016 Honda CR-V with a cvt and it has 110k miles and no issues it still works like new. It’s super smooth and I average 38 mpg with it
I won’t buy one, but if I Did? Only Toyota Products.
We have a '20 Legacy with the 2.5, and a '21 Outback XT.
I love the CVT's! They don't let the cars gain speed unless I want to. (My 5-speed manual Passat would pick up speed when I eased up on the gas - both from the engine/tubo having spooled up. The same is true of other cars I've had with conventional automatic transmissions.)
The CVT's can 'crawl' up any hill much more controllably than any other car I've ever driven, and once you're going 25 or 30mph, they accelerate well.
I've owned two vehicles with CVT, a Nissan Sentra and Subaru Crosstrek. Never again! Problems and droning. I have a Mazda CX-5 now and it's much better
I’m a manual guy but I’ve enjoyed daily driving CVTs in a few of my rental cars. It accelerates so smoothly and the revs stay really low, helping to get that great fuel economy.
It's too bad that the younger generation never got to experience the beloved 2 speed Powerglide transmissions. They were very reliable and got the job done.
Did that come standard on the Ford model-t? Just how far back do we need the Time Machine to go to experience that? Hot danm
@@MisterMister5893 Chevrolet 1950 to 1973.
I had a lot of slipping, in my 2013 Subaru, and they said we had to replace the whole transmission… I replaced the whole car.
Ouch, can’t blame you. Probably that solenoid issue with the torque converter🤕 Subaru was jumping the gun on replacing transmissions but that’s still unfortunately common.
@@Realistickbut I’m the sucker in the end because I replaced my 2013 Impreza with a 2024 Impreza. Change scares me.
They’re great on hybrids and very reliable (yes I know not the same thing 😂). Regular CVTs not so much 👎🏽.
I drove a 2017 Honda civic for a few years then switched to BMW 430i. I have to say, sometimes I miss the smoothness of the CVT the civic had. But overall, the ZF 8 speed auto is a MUCH better transmission overall. But that might be because I tend to drive my cars more spiritedly.
Basically a giant snowmobile
What I experienced with my 2014 outback this year is I had a little noise occurring when revving the engine. Took it to dealer and they confirmed that it was the CVT. They also told me Subaru does not allow them to open up the CVT since it’s a closed unit, and they would have to replace the entire thing for $12k. Subaru refused to help me after I called them and opened a case. I fortunately had an extended warranty cause I bought the car used and this saved my ass. Car is not even worth $12k..
That was a lie from the dealership, all they have to do is take the driver wheel off and open the plug and do the drain and refill and it’s done.
@@alvinsimba734 to my knowledge they won’t do this. I spoke directly with Subaru America and they agreed with the dealer. Though they did not look at it themselves (not sure they even do this)
First, I recognize the old Macy’s in Bloomington. Do you ever go to car meet ups in Bloomington?
Second, as an owner of previous Acuras my wife insisted we get a Subaru Outback. She always wanted one so we picked up a 2021 Outback Limited. I was honestly pretty shocked how well Subaru does their CVT. Is it better than an automatic? Honestly, it depends. Some times yes and sometimes no. I just recently picked up a Legacy Touring XT and I love it. Yeah, it’s not as sporty as a 6 or 8 speed auto but also theyre still all autos. If you want a true sporty experience buy a manual.
Is it the cvt that makes the droning sound or the engine? That to me is the worst part of cvts.
Technically, it’s both. Because the cvt keeps the engine in the most efficient gearing ratio for its specific power band and torque curve meaning it stays in the rpm as you drive. So the cvt causes the engine to drown, but the sound itself comes from the engine.
@@chritchharrass7159 Thanks for the explanation.
CVTs are pretty good... for scooters
From a reliability perspective, I'd rather have a regular automatic transmission...except it's a Honda automatic that was made in the 90's. Otherwise, I don't notice when the transmission in my car shifts up, so I probably won't mind a CVT from a driving perspective.
Just found your channel! Very well done. Added benefit is getting to see local scenery. I'd love to see a video on the best "soft-roader," say cruising around the dirt roads in Bloomington area, but not rock climbing. Subie's an obvious choice--scared to death of the out of warranty work on a Volvo--does a lexus RX fit? Mazda? What's out there?
If the car is low on torque, meant for fuel economy, the cvt is perfect for this application. And most ppl drive their car like that.
For compacts, the well designed ones are great!
Really like the CVT in my 2014 Honda civic.
I want either a Crosstrek WRX or a Spirit Racing CX-30, whichever company comes out with their performance oriented lifted hatchback first. Made in Japan preferably. As it is though, the CX-30 looks so much better inside and out. Whoever designed that Crosstrek Wilderness and whoever implemented the large laggy touchscreen and put the climate controls in the touchscreen needs to be fired. The one advantage of the Crosstrek is that Subaru does a much better job with interior space/packaging and visibility.
Test drive a Bronco Sport Badlands. Might check a lot of your boxes if you can live with Ford tier reliability.
The new wrx is basically a crosstrek if you buy $400 lifting springs. The main difference is that it doesn’t have a hatch though. Which is admittedly a big issue.
Subaru Outback model in USA the model should head down under Crosstrek is another model .
We had a 2019 Forester and now a 2024 Outback and we find that these Subaru CVT’s are a great partner for their auto cruise control systems. There is no gear hunting, abruptness, or big speed variation - even on hilly roads. It’s one of our favorite features on the car!
That’s where they thrive!
My sister had a Nissan Sentra CVT. Worst car I've even been in
I hate lag. Turbo + CVT = double lag. That's why cars like Civic or Subarus won't do me good.
Are Subaru CVTs now made or designed by Aisin/Toyota or are they made or designed in-house by Subaru? I know that Toyota’s older CVTs found in the CHR and 2014-2019 Corolla lack the launch gear, and Subaru used to get CVTs from JATCO (Nissan) until a few years ago
Subaru never used Jatco CVTs. They used Jatco trad autos but not CVTs
I too was torn between a mazda and subaru for my daily. I have owned vehicles from both brands in the past but only with manual transmissions. This time I wanted an automatic, well not really, but I knew this car would get passed on to my daughter, so it made sense. I was initially drawn to the mazda because as an enthusiast all I have ever heard was just how horrible CVTs were. Well, after being thoroughly turned off by mazdas horrible infotainment system, I went to check out a subaru with the dreaded CVT. I was immediately shocked at how much I didnt hate it. I am now the proud owner of a 2024 impreza RS. I have no complaints with the car at all.
Subaru infotainment is worse than Mazda lol
@@theredsalmon612 Not by a long shot. Sometimes it isnt snappy fast, but it is very well laid out and easy to use. Its operating system is is initiative and just makes sense. For anyone that actually likes to use the tech the car came with and not just a couple things on the favorites tab, the mazda system blows.
Manual transmission would almost certainly make me buy an Outback.
The wilderness is amazing, but I'd probably have spent a few grand more for a manual version. Just bought a WRX TR, absolutely awesome car for what it is, and for what it will eventually become.
The only car with a CVT I would buy is a Toyota century
The 3rd Gen Honda Fits has CVTs that do not fake shift. Holding VTEC is a blast!
It doesn’t have vtec, it is i-vtec
As a stick shift enthusiast, I'd rather drive electric than cvt.
Same here, but most people still can’t afford an EV with respectable range / charging time, so id get why even an enthusiast might compromise if they already have a fun car!
CVTs! A solution nobody asked for, to a problem that never existed.
As long as you do the service for the cvt they will last for a long time
A well cared for conventional automatic will last 50% longer in most cases. This really matters to the second and third owners of these cars. Transmission failure on a modern car is financially devastating if you're poor.
@@0HOON0no it wont
we had a 2009 Nissan Murano with CVT and 112k miles. zero issue with cvt and the seats were very comfortable.
CVT'S do not shift! They have no gears to shift! Call it a hundred speed trans. if you want, It is a CVT!
Any time the variators are moving it's reasonable to say the transmission is shifting.
2017 Subaru Forester XT was a brilliant car, it was fast, fuel efficient (for a brick) and quiet. Acceleration was smooth, she'd pull every launch and I never once felt a CVT rubber banding effect that people talked about. Fast Forward 170,000 km and on the 3rd CVT we sold it. Now the CVT in a Toyota Yaris, is a slushy POS, that's where I felt the rubber band effect, lack of power, lots of noise. I had to put it into simulated manual mode to make that car go anywhere at anything above a snails pace.
The car I have now (Suzuki) has a traditional gearbox and I really miss the smoothness and performance of the Subaru CVT, I think it would get more kpl too.
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Nissan jatco Cvt, research it
As an owner of several cvt cars, I can confidently say that they all suck. They are awesome on snowmobiles but that’s it.
CVTs are the reason Nissan is circling the drain. At least partly.
Automatic transmissions are witchcraft
Cars with CVT are as exciting as electric cars. Actually they are more boring than electric cars. I have never driven one I enjoyed.
To me, our 2022 Subaru Legacy Limited XT performs just fine for what is. It's a family sedan with some b@lls, not a sports sedan. I think the Subarus without turbo are slugs and the CVT stands out more with them but people love them anyway. The 10-speed automatic in my 2019 Mustang GT, on the other hand, sucked, and some other 'modern' automatics we've owned have had their own quirks.
10 speed transmissions that are always going up and down gears, searching. Hate it!
@djplonghead5403 exactly. I drove a 9spd Chrysler and wtf is that? It was just awful.
@@djplonghead5403, I had a few occasions where my car suddenly lurched forward at low speed. I almost ran into the car in front of me. I bought it as one year old used and then had multiple climate control issues. I solved all of it by selling it back to the Ford dealer for more than I had paid three years earlier.
Want to find out the reality of a Subaru CVT value? Simply take the one that you own, any model with the CVT and try to trade it in. My CVT Subaru lost trade in value far more than my earlier transmission model Subarus that were also much better off road.
Mmm…no lol. N/A Subarus even with the CVT, hold value just as any Japanese car does.
But you’re probably one of those guys who looks at clapped out WRXs, that blow, and say “damn Subarus” lol
@@jimjohnson4072 I have had three Subarus. My 2005 Outback XT held value well and was my favorite vehicle ever. My wifes 2011 ForesterXT was great and held value. My 2016 Outback 3.6 CVT model failed and I was offered 3200 less for it in trade from the original dealer that I had purchased it from than 3 other brand dealers. And this was with a new CVT in it.
I'm satisfied with the CVT in my Encore GX. The VT-40 in the GX is a night and day difference versus the VT-25 (VTi) that GM came out with two decades ago. I had a 2004 Saturn ION with the VTi, which would sometimes hesitate to launch. That said, I might still rank the Saturn's CVT above the Ford DCT that was in the Focus.
CVT’s are fine and work well. Most people view and drive their cars like an appliance. Others appreciate their cars for various reasons or purposes. People who enjoy driving tend to maintain the car, understand and use features, and enjoy the interaction between driver and vehicle. I personally don’t want a CVT. Even the faux paddle shifters give a sense of being part of the car.✌️
Love my 2025 Forester ❤
A CVT by good manufacturers (such as Honda, Toyota, and Subaru) can be reliable if taken care of, with proper maintenance and not harsh acceleration. A CVT won't be reliable if it's made like Nissan, for example, or any German brands, or any American brands, even with care, they will fail early and be costly to replace. You can find a good car with a CVT transmission, it's a matter of knowing what to look for and what to avoid
As long as no Nissan cvt
Find another subject to talk about if you've never owned one or even if you have they do not hold up maybe in a few years but don't get the consumer stuck on them on them Nissan has ruined them for everyone
I have about 225k on my 19 altima with cvt and it's running pretty good.
I have a 7 yr old Crosstrek & Mazda CX-3....both are 2 litre & i choose to drive the smoother, more comfortable Subaru all the time