@@4dstrawberry-l9z42f Basically them removing this quote is a subtle hint that it's now better to defend against the apocalypse yourself, instead of relying on your teammates.
just bring back the old economy system that’s still in special gamemodes today, dealing 1 damage to an enemy gives you 1 cash, and so on. it’s way better than getting all the cash only when the enemy dies, since you get constantly rewarded for dealing damage yourself
then some of these "cashcow" enemies will be even MORE op for money. Cashcow enemies would just give even more cash and make the game even easier. A way to fix this is just to give more money in trios and quads but make the game overall harder. People wouldn't be complaining about the eco calculation formulas and stuff if it gave you a crap ton of money either way.
4:00 oh so this is why solo and duo feels 100 times much easier than trio and quad in fallen mode Plus they add extra hp to trio and quad which is umm, terrible
they add hp to trio and quad because defenses in trio and quad are generally a lot stronger. You could technically get 4x the DPS in quad compared to solo, which is why they increase the hp.
FINALLY someone addressing this eco system. I absolutely HATE THIS NEW ECO SYSTEM. You make no money when there are multiple people. This is why I always play solo and duo cause this new eco system sucks. Pls it's so easy to fix, just bring back the money on hit instead of money on kill.
@@piotrm5635 The money on hit is way more forgiving as for example an abnormal has 8 hp and in the old system if anyone hits if 8 times with somthing like a militant, everyone gets 8 cash. But now doing nothing only gives you a miserable 1 dollar and to make it worse, IT CAN ALSO BE NO CASH AT ALL MAKING IT COMPLETELY USELESS.
When I watch the video till the end, I feel like im in Neutral side I can agree that TDS Economy system absolute trash on this Update, which's make beating any gamemode kinda hard (Except special gamemodes), especially when you trying to stratless or beat gamemode for complete mission/challenge (Like Space city/Infernal Mission or Legion/Vanguard/Back to basic/Slimes). Also the part where Toppat explaining (*I believe this kind of scenario where someone deals like 90% more dmg or Where a pro is carrying 3 noobs*). It's actually related with me where I mostly bring effective tower but cheap without any dps and 1 support to carry 3 random player who only farming without defending from wave 1-24 from any gamemode, especially fallen (for my yapping, I only pointed that just because TDS Economy system is hoorible, doesnt mean you can win the gamemode. Atleast there's 1 player bring the pain of Early and Middle wave to defend without farm, so other teammates can max all farm then Def). That's my Opinion of your Content (Pardon my Terrible English) Bonus : *Cowboy/Golden Cowboy can solve Issues dude* I know, but come on bro this is strategy game, you cant just being greedy at match or else Losing. Brain and strategy is still number 1 the way to Win the game. Also Toppat, just tell if 1$ Donation not enough, then I can give you Admin Permission (I'm gonna brough the gamepass At Friday) when Next TDS Update come, but only 1 Week.
Holy finally a TH-camr that talks about this new system. I honestly hate this system and I was wondering if this will be changed and you mentioned it. Now it boosts the chance of removing this mechanism from the game. Thank you for mentioning this. I hate this economy AEAEAEEAEAEAEee
Even though I most play quad, I usually don't care. My main problem with it is how it screws over almost all of the challenge maps' eco, looking at you, legion. At least back to basics had a band-aid fix by applying the easy mode and new fallen enemies.
Multiplayer economy is fine, but shared percent is ridiculous! We need to fix "shared" percent bag (as you mentioned, by doing 0 damage you get more cash, the heck is this?! and simply bring old cash system, when you get cash every time when the damage is dealt, it made WAY MORE sense! (But if we investigate, we will find out that it was made because of STUPID spam of enemies, rather then making them more powerfull (which was implemented on reworked molten, finally). Anyway, great topic!
Make it so that shared cash is fair with farm rework and g cowboy buff: -shared system is that 1-10% damage would be around 5% share While 11-40% is 15-20% share 41-80% damage is 20-50% share and 100% is 90% share (what i mean is if you deal 100% dmg your ENTIRE teammates would get 10% of the cash while you got 90%) -farm rework (pursuit got 2 path so why not farm getting 2 path) Placement limit 6 to 10 maybe stays 8 if you prefer. Cost 300$ with 100cash (ca=cash) Lv1 total 500$ with 250ca Lv2 total 1000$ with 500ca Lv3 total 2000$ with 1000ca Lv4 top path 5000$ with 2500ca with ability that gives you 1k~2k cash depending on the towers in range Lv 5 top path 25k$ with 5000ca ab will give 5k max and will give -5% cost(something like dj's green track)(cant stack with other farms but can with dj) Lv4 bottom path 10k$ with 5000ca Lv5 bottom path 25k$ with 10000ca G/n cowboy buff(to lazy) -more money with less dmg dealt but g cowboy dps>normal mini Can you pin this comment if not its okay.
if cowboy doesn’t need a buff, why would g cowboy need one? i mean if cowboy doesn’t need a buff g cowboy could have a bit more cash and a bit more damage and it still wouldn’t need a buff, also the farm rework is really horrible, why waste cash and space for a top path farm when you can just get dj?? at least bottom path pursuit has a use and sometimes you’ll want it, but top path farm will be useless as hell and people will just get bottom path, or hell, not even use farm and get a cowboy lol
I was thinking about this for a little while and I came up with a system where on wave 1 each damage u deal is $1 but it doubles every 5 waves, so on wave 5 2 damage, on wave 10 4, damage on wave 15 8 damage, and so on. I did the math and at wave 40 it would take 256 damage for $1 which if you think about it, is quite reasonable
Solution: literally just revert to the old system. The current one has too many flaws and even with your suggested solutions it’s still worse than the original system imo
Yeah this is awful, that's another reason why I don't play co-op I will rejoice the day they remove wave clear bonuses (and just combine it with the base wave bonus)
@mzanzibari Yeah, wave clear bonuses are completely counter-intuitive. The little benefit to the game they might have is overshadowed by the problems and frustrations it brings. It's an absolutely awful system and makes games run longer because nobody wants to skip because you just lose money as a result while making things more diffucult. The old system was perfectly fine. Combining the cash with the regular wave bonus (and then removing the clear bonus as a mechanic) would bring the benefits of both skipping and waiting to people so the players actually have two reasonable choices with their own benefits.
@Gamemaster64 the old system was lowkey better because it makes the game easier,thus making you win more times than usual. They probably did this because they want to make the game harder. When u count ppl win lose ratio in the game, most of their ratio has more losses than wins. I saw only one person with 71 losses and 1770 wins.
@@mzanzibari I'm 99% sure that most of the awful loss-win ratios like that are just people afk grinding by losing over and over and clicking the restart button with a macro. Not sure if it works anymore but it sure did a few months ago and people used it.
sry, for making this explanation so long. But I believe the reason they did this was because you would get more money if you stall the health regen enemies. Example: if you got the boss Ghoul boss in intermediate mode to 4 hp. You can let it regen and then just to deal dmg again to gain more money. But with this new system you cannot anymore. But this is still BS because the health regen is mostly given to enemies you WANT TO KILL AS FAST AS POSSIBLE Example: Templar, necromancer, fallen summoner, fallen tank and breakers. And enemies such as the Slow, Armored, living experiment and hazmat, appear late enough so you would barely want to use that niche trick. they really should just bring the old cash system back
Making it so you can't earn less than that the minimum shared cast would help a lot. In quads on fallen it's 18.75% meaning even if you do only 3% you still get that 18.75% of the cash. This wouldn't encourage people to not do damage by punishing them for doing low damage, but would still give them less cash for doing low damage.
The amount of inconsistency and multiple systems thrown all around the place in how you get money from enemies is absolutely unnecessary and so annoyingly easy to fix. Fortunately inconsistency has been fixed over the months in 2024 but the main system is just bad. Its almost as if the devs were just half-assing it because they were (tower) delaying (simulator) the next update frost invasion style Not to mention wave clear bonus is just a terrible idea. Only a good idea on paper. 7:06 The idea of how it should work is simple, it's probably implementing it across the whole game thats complicated. Just give the player money if they deal damage to the enemy. It's so simple, literally by the name, "enemy money". Money from enemies. If you dont deal damage, you dont get as much money in a wave, which discourages lazy playstyles and focusing too heavily on farming, which is ultimately positive for the playing experience.
Just so you know: To make up for one golden scout(estimating the price of a regular is scout is 300~) you would need about 183 scouts for each golden scout. The more you know! (Lobby coins)
Finally somebody addresses this problem... Devs were really like "yeah, that's definitely good idea for the cash system like this, what can go wrong?" (The lunar overture event in question)
This is what I’ve been saying, tds needs more eco towers, like one that you can wait until the late game to start using and get a lot of money for late game
jokes on you, i dont even play with other people, i ALWAYS play solo (is just because if i get bored of the game, i can just leave, dont have to force myself to stay because there is someone else playing and i dont want to be rude)
I agree with this that the new system of only getting 25% is very bad they should make it where if u deal 100% dmg to the enemy and ur team only gets 25% to 10% of it and u still get the full amount this would be a easy fix
Don't forget challange maps beta enemies have BROKEN cash system (giving 1 to 0 cash on death), except for the current version. The devs are trying to make hybrid farming and defending in a norm in tds, so that early defender's wont get the cash benefits from late game defenders, which forces the players to have farm in their loadout if they want to have everything placed down by the final wave, istg theres time where me and my teammates couldn't activate hidden wave because they DON'T HAVE enough money for the final wave.
Literally EVERYONE I've heard from says they dislike this system, the devs need to change this. The old money system was fine, why did they remove it? For events it might make sense to do the hardcore cash on death but the normal gamemodes shouldn't be like this.
Bring back old cash system -> every damage dealt is how much everyone will get -> increase upgrade prices only depending on how much people are in the game.
The bonus per perfect clear is the worst tbh because make some units like military base worst and dont allow players to do things like Farm the first waves without defending
My system: For every enemy, the first 50% of its cash is always evenly distributed between every player, meaning regardless of the damage you deal you'll always get at least 12.5% of the cash. Then the final 50% is directly proportional to the damage you dealt. So if I dealt 40% of the damage I would get (12.5+20)% or 32.5%.
@trollguy-z9v with the current version it means you earn less money than you're meant to. I don't see how this is worse, as it keeps the economy balanced but also gives extra cash to those who deal more damage
@reconsider3735 if someone's loadout wasn't using an eco tower and idk they were underpowered compared to another player. So in other words I'd say most people would rather get punished for defending than not defending good enough
This one change made any trio or quad fallen game I'm playing feel less... Fun. Below really needs to bring back the old economy mechanic wherr you get 1 cash per damage on an enemy (with the exception for special gamemodes still having this new economy mechanic)
I do understand why they made this system, mainly so they can spam bloated enemies without them giving you crazy amounts of cash, or just tanky enemies without them being cash cows, but the eco in multiplayer is absolutely garbage ☠️
The TDS eco is terrible before the change, honestly it needs a overhaul. If Cowboy (+ G) and farm gets removed, the game would feel painful. That's why Farm or cowboy are in almost all loadouts.
There’s honestly only 1 way to do the economy system, and it’s shared cash. Shared cash doesn’t discourage getting supports, and literally nobody is mad about it. Also, GIVE US OUR MONEY INSTANTLY, NOT AFTER THE ENEMY DIES.
Tbh solo is better in terms of cash gained per player, but solo is (much) harder and slower than duo or trio. So what the hell is the point of this shared cash system when one player does absolutely nothing while others carrying have to suffer from lack of economy?
My problem isnt actually about the cash it’s just that it feels so damn boring having to wait to kill an enemy for some cash. They should atleast remove the cash indicators tbh, that’s why it didn’t feel as bad in hardcore
I think this is actually intentional. It's to "balance" out the OP towers because they're expensive, and require a crap ton of farming to get. Even then, I don't think this economy system is bad. It's 100% okay in solo or duo, and in trio and quad it can just be circumvented with farm and DJ. I think you're honestly overexaggerating it. You barely talked about farm or cowboy, which are your main sources of income. The eco system can be worked on, but I don't think it's eproblematic simply because of how towers are balanced and the fact that eco towers are just op. P:S - I use dark mode, and for some reason, that makes my text black, which makes it nearly impossible ot type out. That's why my comment is relatively short and I can't go into depth.
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Man just bring the old cash systems back where when you damage an enemy you instantly get the cash instead of waiting for it to die for the cash
Agreed
Wdym? It was always here
@@Ghtareas😭🙏🙏
@@Ghtareas im gonna hold your hand when i say this…
@@GhtareasI’m sorry, buddy
"No one can survive alone, team up to defend the apocalypse of zombies" The old tds description, they changed it
how does that correlate to the vid
@@4dstrawberry-l9z42f Basically them removing this quote is a subtle hint that it's now better to defend against the apocalypse yourself, instead of relying on your teammates.
just bring back the old economy system that’s still in special gamemodes today, dealing 1 damage to an enemy gives you 1 cash, and so on. it’s way better than getting all the cash only when the enemy dies, since you get constantly rewarded for dealing damage yourself
It's not in special modes I thjnk
That's OP in the newer gamemodes
then some of these "cashcow" enemies will be even MORE op for money. Cashcow enemies would just give even more cash and make the game even easier.
A way to fix this is just to give more money in trios and quads but make the game overall harder. People wouldn't be complaining about the eco calculation formulas and stuff if it gave you a crap ton of money either way.
INFLATION 😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
omg its rotfzz
I sure hate it when my ZOMBIE INFLATION isn't working 😞
I love inflation
Did you know there are actual articles and researches about this? Google roblox inflation
For more information look up tds inflation
This is exactly the reason why I hate doing trio+ fallen games now
Not only but because scaling was implemented. Above duo enemies have more hp. Another reason why duo easier than trio.
fr, i just can get some low level pursuits and it starts spamming zombies
4:00 oh so this is why solo and duo feels 100 times much easier than trio and quad in fallen mode
Plus they add extra hp to trio and quad which is umm, terrible
Fr
they add hp to trio and quad because defenses in trio and quad are generally a lot stronger. You could technically get 4x the DPS in quad compared to solo, which is why they increase the hp.
FINALLY someone addressing this eco system. I absolutely HATE THIS NEW ECO SYSTEM. You make no money when there are multiple people. This is why I always play solo and duo cause this new eco system sucks. Pls it's so easy to fix, just bring back the money on hit instead of money on kill.
I absolutely agree with this, why they even change the eco system at first place anyway?
old cash system has the same issues
you get punished for defending
@@piotrm5635 The money on hit is way more forgiving as for example an abnormal has 8 hp and in the old system if anyone hits if 8 times with somthing like a militant, everyone gets 8 cash. But now doing nothing only gives you a miserable 1 dollar and to make it worse, IT CAN ALSO BE NO CASH AT ALL MAKING IT COMPLETELY USELESS.
@@piotrm5635 But Is it really as terrible as current cash system?
@@piotrm5635Uhh, no you don't? Because you get full amount of cash for the damage you deal while only 25% in squad when you don't deal damage
Easy fix, just remove cash from the game.
I guess that would solve the issue
and place the towers and upgrade them with robux
make this man the new BelowNatural
When I watch the video till the end, I feel like im in Neutral side
I can agree that TDS Economy system absolute trash on this Update, which's make beating any gamemode kinda hard (Except special gamemodes), especially when you trying to stratless or beat gamemode for complete mission/challenge (Like Space city/Infernal Mission or Legion/Vanguard/Back to basic/Slimes).
Also the part where Toppat explaining (*I believe this kind of scenario where someone deals like 90% more dmg or Where a pro is carrying 3 noobs*). It's actually related with me where I mostly bring effective tower but cheap without any dps and 1 support to carry 3 random player who only farming without defending from wave 1-24 from any gamemode, especially fallen (for my yapping, I only pointed that just because TDS Economy system is hoorible, doesnt mean you can win the gamemode. Atleast there's 1 player bring the pain of Early and Middle wave to defend without farm, so other teammates can max all farm then Def).
That's my Opinion of your Content (Pardon my Terrible English)
Bonus :
*Cowboy/Golden Cowboy can solve Issues dude*
I know, but come on bro this is strategy game, you cant just being greedy at match or else Losing. Brain and strategy is still number 1 the way to Win the game.
Also Toppat, just tell if 1$ Donation not enough, then I can give you Admin Permission (I'm gonna brough the gamepass At Friday) when Next TDS Update come, but only 1 Week.
Ah yes i love my new strategy:
Collecting tax from other player
Bro u don’t owe him anything, u don’t need to give him money
He definitely can't afford the admin gamepass, brodie doesn't even have a private server
I'm lvl 500 and I didn't realize before wtf
Below change this shit 🗿🙏
bro the devs are turning the economy system into the toilet tower defense economy
how so?
bros onto nothing
Golden cowboy users: 🗿
Yup that's us😂
Yeah go ahead and use gcowboy on quad
@VVooshbait yeah it's ass on quad aswell due to dps issue 💀
@@VVooshbaitI wonder if people like you ever actually tried using gcowboy on quad fallen, badlands, and pw2. It’s literally good
I feel like they should implement the cash thing that the modes had before
i just got an ad saying "we talkin about cashback"
also someone FINALLY talks about this.
Holy finally a TH-camr that talks about this new system. I honestly hate this system and I was wondering if this will be changed and you mentioned it. Now it boosts the chance of removing this mechanism from the game. Thank you for mentioning this.
I hate this economy AEAEAEEAEAEAEee
No wonder why people get cowboy and farm in a loadout 😂
I got caught 🙀
Even though I most play quad, I usually don't care. My main problem with it is how it screws over almost all of the challenge maps' eco, looking at you, legion. At least back to basics had a band-aid fix by applying the easy mode and new fallen enemies.
farm is goated even after 5 years its still the same practically
Probably getting a rework in the future.
Multiplayer economy is fine, but shared percent is ridiculous!
We need to fix "shared" percent bag (as you mentioned, by doing 0 damage you get more cash, the heck is this?!
and simply bring old cash system, when you get cash every time when the damage is dealt, it made WAY MORE sense!
(But if we investigate, we will find out that it was made because of STUPID spam of enemies, rather then making them more powerfull (which was implemented on reworked molten, finally).
Anyway, great topic!
Make it so that shared cash is fair with farm rework and g cowboy buff:
-shared system is that 1-10% damage would be around 5% share
While 11-40% is 15-20% share 41-80% damage is 20-50% share and 100% is 90% share (what i mean is if you deal 100% dmg your ENTIRE teammates would get 10% of the cash while you got 90%)
-farm rework (pursuit got 2 path so why not farm getting 2 path)
Placement limit 6 to 10 maybe stays 8 if you prefer.
Cost 300$ with 100cash (ca=cash)
Lv1 total 500$ with 250ca
Lv2 total 1000$ with 500ca
Lv3 total 2000$ with 1000ca
Lv4 top path 5000$ with 2500ca with ability that gives you 1k~2k cash depending on the towers in range
Lv 5 top path 25k$ with 5000ca ab will give 5k max and will give -5% cost(something like dj's green track)(cant stack with other farms but can with dj)
Lv4 bottom path 10k$ with 5000ca
Lv5 bottom path 25k$ with 10000ca
G/n cowboy buff(to lazy)
-more money with less dmg dealt but g cowboy dps>normal mini
Can you pin this comment if not its okay.
if cowboy doesn’t need a buff, why would g cowboy need one? i mean if cowboy doesn’t need a buff g cowboy could have a bit more cash and a bit more damage and it still wouldn’t need a buff, also the farm rework is really horrible, why waste cash and space for a top path farm when you can just get dj?? at least bottom path pursuit has a use and sometimes you’ll want it, but top path farm will be useless as hell and people will just get bottom path, or hell, not even use farm and get a cowboy lol
This economy really sucks, I hadn’t even realized it was so
I was thinking about this for a little while and I came up with a system where on wave 1 each damage u deal is $1 but it doubles every 5 waves, so on wave 5 2 damage, on wave 10 4, damage on wave 15 8 damage, and so on. I did the math and at wave 40 it would take 256 damage for $1 which if you think about it, is quite reasonable
Old eco system is good
Solution: literally just revert to the old system. The current one has too many flaws and even with your suggested solutions it’s still worse than the original system imo
I hate this system, I wish it was back when how much times you hit it you get a certain amount of times the amount you hit it.
I never really thought about this but it's really bad, no wonder everyone stopped playing quad years ago and just plays solo
Mainly to prevent a floating point error that awards much more cash than needed I think.
Yeah this is awful, that's another reason why I don't play co-op
I will rejoice the day they remove wave clear bonuses (and just combine it with the base wave bonus)
Ye like why did they do that even if a normal gets past we don't get wave clear especially if u got bad teammates
@mzanzibari Yeah, wave clear bonuses are completely counter-intuitive. The little benefit to the game they might have is overshadowed by the problems and frustrations it brings. It's an absolutely awful system and makes games run longer because nobody wants to skip because you just lose money as a result while making things more diffucult.
The old system was perfectly fine. Combining the cash with the regular wave bonus (and then removing the clear bonus as a mechanic) would bring the benefits of both skipping and waiting to people so the players actually have two reasonable choices with their own benefits.
@Gamemaster64 the old system was lowkey better because it makes the game easier,thus making you win more times than usual. They probably did this because they want to make the game harder. When u count ppl win lose ratio in the game, most of their ratio has more losses than wins. I saw only one person with 71 losses and 1770 wins.
@@mzanzibari I'm 99% sure that most of the awful loss-win ratios like that are just people afk grinding by losing over and over and clicking the restart button with a macro. Not sure if it works anymore but it sure did a few months ago and people used it.
sry, for making this explanation so long.
But I believe the reason they did this was because you would get more money if you stall the health regen enemies.
Example: if you got the boss Ghoul boss in intermediate mode to 4 hp. You can let it regen and then just to deal dmg again to gain more money. But with this new system you cannot anymore.
But this is still BS because the health regen is mostly given to enemies you WANT TO KILL AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
Example: Templar, necromancer, fallen summoner, fallen tank and breakers. And enemies such as the Slow, Armored, living experiment and hazmat, appear late enough so you would barely want to use that niche trick. they really should just bring the old cash system back
its so simple
just make healed health unable to gain cash from
Can't you just see how low it got and then make it so that the players only get money after passing that tresh hold?
why don't they just turn healing into shield instead, easiest fix of someones life 😭
You can literally stall molten corpses to get infinite cash
Idea bring back the old system. I dont know how to explain it but basically TDXs economy
0:56 lady furina🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Smash or pass?
Making it so you can't earn less than that the minimum shared cast would help a lot. In quads on fallen it's 18.75% meaning even if you do only 3% you still get that 18.75% of the cash. This wouldn't encourage people to not do damage by punishing them for doing low damage, but would still give them less cash for doing low damage.
Why did tds add inflation to thier game?
The old cash system was way more satisfying too
The amount of inconsistency and multiple systems thrown all around the place in how you get money from enemies is absolutely unnecessary and so annoyingly easy to fix. Fortunately inconsistency has been fixed over the months in 2024 but the main system is just bad. Its almost as if the devs were just half-assing it because they were (tower) delaying (simulator) the next update frost invasion style
Not to mention wave clear bonus is just a terrible idea. Only a good idea on paper.
7:06 The idea of how it should work is simple, it's probably implementing it across the whole game thats complicated. Just give the player money if they deal damage to the enemy. It's so simple, literally by the name, "enemy money". Money from enemies.
If you dont deal damage, you dont get as much money in a wave, which discourages lazy playstyles and focusing too heavily on farming, which is ultimately positive for the playing experience.
Max level gatling? in this economy?
Just so you know:
To make up for one golden scout(estimating the price of a regular is scout is 300~) you would need about 183 scouts for each golden scout. The more you know!
(Lobby coins)
Finally somebody addresses this problem... Devs were really like "yeah, that's definitely good idea for the cash system like this, what can go wrong?" (The lunar overture event in question)
This is what I’ve been saying, tds needs more eco towers, like one that you can wait until the late game to start using and get a lot of money for late game
The new system is like just harder, i prefer harder gamemodes because it's more fun but for the enocomy system, it's annoying
What the f**k is wrong with tds
It’s worse on challenge maps. Like you only get 2 dollars just from killing a giant boss.
Legion moment
This system needs to be hardcore or hidden wave exclusive, tf were thinking the devs when they decided to move it to every gamemode
jokes on you, i dont even play with other people, i ALWAYS play solo (is just because if i get bored of the game, i can just leave, dont have to force myself to stay because there is someone else playing and i dont want to be rude)
I agree with this that the new system of only getting 25% is very bad they should make it where if u deal 100% dmg to the enemy and ur team only gets 25% to 10% of it and u still get the full amount this would be a easy fix
It is sad to see that the new tds economy isn't great they should fix it.
The only reason this system exists is cuz they want cowboy to be more in the meta (tom said it somewhere last year)
oh they force us to use cowboy or smth? i would "dick move"
idk what word to choose
So thats why i cant win fallen, im literally carrying my teammates
Don't forget challange maps beta enemies have BROKEN cash system (giving 1 to 0 cash on death), except for the current version.
The devs are trying to make hybrid farming and defending in a norm in tds, so that early defender's wont get the cash benefits from late game defenders, which forces the players to have farm in their loadout if they want to have everything placed down by the final wave, istg theres time where me and my teammates couldn't activate hidden wave because they DON'T HAVE enough money for the final wave.
At this point we need a passive cash system that produces cash per seconds
They should make eco similar to tdx by making farm an option rather than req. tower and make that your main income is killing enemies
Literally EVERYONE I've heard from says they dislike this system, the devs need to change this. The old money system was fine, why did they remove it? For events it might make sense to do the hardcore cash on death but the normal gamemodes shouldn't be like this.
Bring back old cash system -> every damage dealt is how much everyone will get -> increase upgrade prices only depending on how much people are in the game.
I need tower battles economy system
it’s where you earn cash only from damage. No shared cash.
just make this man a game tester at this point fr
WE BEING BUSINESS MAN WITH THIS ONE🔥🔥🔥
what
The bonus per perfect clear is the worst tbh because make some units like military base worst and dont allow players to do things like Farm the first waves without defending
0:04 YOU BURNT THE MARSHMALLOW
My system:
For every enemy, the first 50% of its cash is always evenly distributed between every player, meaning regardless of the damage you deal you'll always get at least 12.5% of the cash. Then the final 50% is directly proportional to the damage you dealt. So if I dealt 40% of the damage I would get (12.5+20)% or 32.5%.
that sounds worse than the current version as I am seeing in the video
@trollguy-z9v with the current version it means you earn less money than you're meant to. I don't see how this is worse, as it keeps the economy balanced but also gives extra cash to those who deal more damage
@reconsider3735 economy stealing even with the first 50% distributed that's still Very little cash
@reconsider3735 if someone's loadout wasn't using an eco tower and idk they were underpowered compared to another player. So in other words I'd say most people would rather get punished for defending than not defending good enough
@trollguy-z9v no? They'd still earn more money per enemy kill because they'd deal most of the damage
This one change made any trio or quad fallen game I'm playing feel less... Fun. Below really needs to bring back the old economy mechanic wherr you get 1 cash per damage on an enemy (with the exception for special gamemodes still having this new economy mechanic)
It’s not even that bad, it’s fine. I personally enjoy it more than the old version.
I do understand why they made this system, mainly so they can spam bloated enemies without them giving you crazy amounts of cash, or just tanky enemies without them being cash cows, but the eco in multiplayer is absolutely garbage ☠️
The TDS eco is terrible before the change, honestly it needs a overhaul.
If Cowboy (+ G) and farm gets removed, the game would feel painful. That's why Farm or cowboy are in almost all loadouts.
you know its bad when you get rewarded more for playing the opposite game
so that's why cowboy sucks in trio and quad lobbies... never knew it was that complicated, thank you for the insight!
I never even noticed this, I only play in singleplayer so I get maximum cash. This is just another reason I only play singleplayer now lmao
this is why special gamemodes are goated 🔥
There’s honestly only 1 way to do the economy system, and it’s shared cash. Shared cash doesn’t discourage getting supports, and literally nobody is mad about it.
Also, GIVE US OUR MONEY INSTANTLY, NOT AFTER THE ENEMY DIES.
make it the old tds eco system that was such a good system because it doesn't have that shared damage, its just how much damage you do.
Tbh solo is better in terms of cash gained per player, but solo is (much) harder and slower than duo or trio. So what the hell is the point of this shared cash system when one player does absolutely nothing while others carrying have to suffer from lack of economy?
Ever since this sytem, TDS lost so much of the replayability it had for me. The gameplay does not feel as satisfying or smooth as before.
Shared cash? soviet anthem plays in a distance
They should bring back the cash system before cash on kill
FINNALY SOMEBODY REALIZE THIS !!!!
solution: how much health they have is how much money you get and your team mates
love the fact that, +0 cash🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
That’s why it’s called ‘Hardcore’
And ofc.I play solo
I miss when u get a dollar for each tick or damage you did and it shared to everyone
Can sombody explain what happend
duo/trio fallen is the best, duo is 75% cash per player (150% cash), trio is 50% cash per player (150%)
2 things do it without the caps in multiplayer OR divide evenly between the players
I miss old economy 😭
One problem…
How much money would we get in late-game Fallen?
A. Having max farms
B. Having enough dps to make good money.
the old cash system was a lot better, molten was the last time we'd see the old system before rework.
i would fix this by adding the old farm feature that gives everyone cash
The fact i found more succes beating fallen on duo than quad is funny is as shit.
when tds is in a recession
My problem isnt actually about the cash it’s just that it feels so damn boring having to wait to kill an enemy for some cash. They should atleast remove the cash indicators tbh, that’s why it didn’t feel as bad in hardcore
i miss the good gatling gun
0:57 Furina spotted!!!
thank goodness someone finally made a video on this it’s so bad
Dawg you have your own youtube channel
You get the persent you dealt and a bonus 25%(of the the amount you got) for each player defending with you this aggressively encourages defending
Nvm let the enemies give mad amount of cash or give a system of where you can give cash to someone
Below and the team pov:”hhhmmmm seems its true to know”
After update : alotta yap on the news like the update..
Anyway good vid
They should just do the old system: 1 damage = 1 cash ez
Literally no idea why would they make this... Makes no sense, it's awkward and inconvenient
Golden cowboy on a easy map reaction:
This seems like... COMNUNISM
TBH this make teamwork not teamworking.
I think this is actually intentional. It's to "balance" out the OP towers because they're expensive, and require a crap ton of farming to get.
Even then, I don't think this economy system is bad. It's 100% okay in solo or duo, and in trio and quad it can just be circumvented with farm and DJ. I think you're honestly overexaggerating it. You barely talked about farm or cowboy, which are your main sources of income. The eco system can be worked on, but I don't think it's eproblematic simply because of how towers are balanced and the fact that eco towers are just op.
P:S - I use dark mode, and for some reason, that makes my text black, which makes it nearly impossible ot type out. That's why my comment is relatively short and I can't go into depth.
At times I literally get like 0 cash per enemy its really annoying