This documentary is top quality, I loved the storytelling aspect to it especially the way Ruth's story was told through the woman with the petition. More Murder Maps please!
I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
They are so well made that i too am hooked on (Murder Maps) the acting is amazing..They need a docu award for all of these actors/actres on here, just super awesome.
I absolutely love every episode of this show, but I think this was the first one that actually moved me to tears. What excellent storytelling and acting. I truly hope Ruth is at peace now.
This video made my night! Murder maps is the BEST show!!!! PLEASE keep this series going...there's nothing else like it! Every episode is an absolute gem!!!
I love the bookend scenes of the man on the train at the beginning and the petition woman at the end both doing the same thing- searching their pockets for their misplaced train tickets- and how differently they are treated.
@@HERETOHELPPEOPLE121 and Shawnda, there's this thing called life. It's where stuff happens, such as people dying. So after three weeks, when I resumed watching this video, not only had I forgotten exactly what was said at the start of the video, but I'd also lost a dear friend of more than 40 years. But thank you for your judgement, it's very much appreciated.
This was so incredibly well done! I absolutely loved the storytelling aspect of presenting the whole of Ruth's life through this woman and how she challenged each of the older man's prejudiced remarks. I would really enjoy seeing more like this!!!
I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
Great documentary. There is a movie called Dance with a Stranger that is based on this event. Stars Miranda Richardson and Rupert Everett. It's one of my favorite films.
This is the BEST true crime series on TH-cam! So well written, & the actors' portrayals are great. The cherry on top is Nicholas Day's narration throughout. His voice is perfect for this.
This is the second one I have watched and I love them! Great storytelling, very accurate on details from what I can cross reference and the acting is top notch. I could do with toning down the music at times, but overall excellent.
... the conversation / story telling / acting between the petition girl and the train passenger was sooo fckn good explaining both side.. what an amazing and yet sad crime documentary.
All of these episodes are so good. Excellent quality, acting etc. They remind me of another of my favs ,” A Crime to Remember “ I appreciate the attention to every detail. As a TC fan , I see a lot of content and this is definitely top notch, IMO.
I can't believe she chose death to raising her children. Wonder what happened to those poor orphans. *** update from Google... The 10 year old boy committed suicide in his 20s and the toddler girl was adopted and died of cancer in her 50s. So sad 😞.
Not true. Her son was almost 40 years old. He hated her so much that he desecrated her grave. She never even tried to raise him. He lived with his grandmother.
The production, narration, and acting in these videos is excellent. Very entertaining. Keeps my attention. I will be sad when I've watched all of them.
Comparing Ruth Ellis with this other woman who shot her lover and got off is pointless. Ruth Ellis opened admitted she intended to kill Blakely and at the time the punishment for murder was death and no other sentence could be handed down. A lot of these murderers of the day were disturbed people where the seeds had been planted in early life. It is very sad what happened to her.
I cried for Ruth and het small son. She had endured horrible beatings from her boyfriends, even losing her baby. What happened to the little boy left behind? 😭
Nowadays the sentences are so lenient talk about going from one extreme to another. People do far worse then Ruth nowadays and get ridiculous sentences. She definitely did not get a fair trial. Her lawyer sounded totally incompetent.
Why is it everytime a woman commits a crime it’s always a sob story of how hard her life was and how every man in her life was mean to her. It’s so annoying listening to the same thing every time a woman chooses to commit a crime. Women are never held accountable they instead blame a man. Either their dad , brother , husband , BF etc
I am against the death penalty full stop. 2 wrongs don't make a right. The BBC made a documentary in the early 1980s about a man whom was tried, convicted of murder and sentenced to death. The documentary is called 14 days in May. I recommend people watch it. It was so sad seeing him with his family for the last time his last meal etc etc. Then a feed hours after the execution was carried out new evidence came to light to prove his innocence. The death penalty should NEVER be re introduced and should be banned the world over. If you get life that what it should be LIFE without Parole.
Quite the opposite. It was clearly a first degree murder. There was not any real doubt of her guilt and she filled all requirements for the death penalty. More so she seems to have been hellbent on having a lethal date with mr Pierrepoint and went out of her way to ensure that and refusing every opportunity to avoid the gallows. Basically: Justice, according to the laws at the time. was served and her sentence was just. Arguably it was an assisted suicide
But she was guilty of murder wich carried the death penalty. So technically the sentence was just for a murder charge. Unfortunately she hanged herself when she said "it is obvious i intended to kill him "
It really was a crime of passion, im for the death penalty, but I think ŕth should have got a jail sentence with parole, I know back then it was not that simple
Every time I hear this story it saddened's my heart for she was a mother, and she had a young life ahead of her with her child. Three damn drunks in her life abused her, what was she suppose to do when was it going to end. She fought through everything for her child. I say that men need to wisen up. Women deserve better. Ruth, RIP🙏💔💋
After watching this video I really feel so sad for Ruth's life. Let go of someone that don't appreciate your love and move forward so it won't end up this way.
I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
That's easier said than done ... especially if that is the only life she was used to ... ALL of the MALES in her life were abusive alcoholics, to her that was "normal". So many armchair "experts" in the comments...
@@rhuephus Murders are unjustifiable! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
@@rhuephus Nothing justifies murder. Murders, as well as treason, terrorism, rape must be punishable by death. That's why I love Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, India, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq. Because these countries in contrast to the European Union and United Kingdom understands that are crimes for which only one punishment can be imposed - death
That's the problem with domestic violence. Some people think u can just walk away from it and the reality is, its not that easy. Alot of people stay because of fear..the fear of the abuser finding out ur plans, the punishment if u get caught..these situations are dangerous and scary and hard to get out of, period. Some stay for the stability and some because they just dont want to be alone. There is no way u can truly understand it without having been that situation urself..its a whole other world of pure hell and darkness that i wouldn't wish on anyone.
Such a well done account. I thought perhaps the young woman was Ruth’s daughter. Her first child was a girl, who we hear no more about after the original mention. Riveting telling, definitely held my attention throughout.
Excellent Production. I love all the history stuff. Thanks very much. This just proves how wrong Capital Punishment can be. Ruth shouldn't have gotten more than 5 years imo. Ruth had a sad, ruthless and unfortunate life. Nevertheless we all suffer the consequences of our actions. If not now then in the next life. But be sure we shall all be judged according to our works.
This proves nothing to me. Throughout history, there are people with harsher lives out there (me included, I've been abused to bleed by my own mother and cheated by my husband and my own bestfriend since childhood, I got severe depression for years) and they don't choose murder. Especially when they have children or elderly (or even cats and dogs) who needed them very much. Misery doesn't give you the right to kill someone unless it was self defense or punishment.
Unfortunately though it is still basically the same if you have money and power you can pretty much get you get a slap on the wrist but if you're poor and you get in trouble they throw the book at you
The emotions roused after Ellis’ execution involve the economic, social, and financial inequity of her situation, not only bc she was a mother. It’s also easy for me to get upset about this case, when there were at least 3 gross miscarriages of justice....one was the horrible abuse Ellis suffered, the other was her “friend” who incited her to murder by providing a gun with the constant “encouragement” to an extremely vulnerable, desperate woman, and the social position of the man she murdered....but the problem was, Ellis didn’t do murder to protect herself from another future beating. _She did it in cold blood. That’s why she was executed._ We can’t look back and apply Battered Woman Syndrome-the definition and use as a criminal defense-which was a few decades down the road, however perfectly Ellis fit the definition. I believe she would not have lost her life if she had committed murder in the middle of another beating, as happened to the woman with higher social status disingenuously stated here, but bc she hadn’t done that, the judge had no choice: death was the only legal possibility at that time.
Trauma leaves long-term scares. You're never mentally the sane after going thru pro longed traumatic abuse. We use to hang the insane because we didnt understand insanity, its not a stretch to say she did what she did because of PTSD. We are learning how trauma destroys mental health everyday.
Not what happened with the other woman of higher social status (Elvia Blakely). If you go back and rewatch the video around 32:00, it says that Blakely's claim that she was attempting to commit suicide when her husband physically stood in front of the gun and was thus "accidentally" killed was the ostensible legal reason why she was acquitted, not because she killed her lover in self-defense.
I'm not very happy living to Europe because stupid Europe abolished capital punishment. And I'm from Lithuania. I'm for death penalty! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment that needs to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment. Capital punishment are the best punishment for murder, treason, terrorism and rape! And it always will be!
"But Ruth has a child!" Yes, and if Ruth had decided to focus her attention on being a devoted mother instead of chasing after men, she could have avoided the death penalty and all the drama that led up to it. Clearly, Ruth was the one who needed to be reminded that she was a mother.
Yes, but look where she got that from? Her own mom wouldn't protect her daughters when their father raped and abused them. Their dad RAPED AND ABUSED his girls, mom turned a blind eye. For years. He even had a child with Muriel it seems and they pretended it was the child of their dad and mum! Come on now!!
Ruth Ellis should have answered the prosecutor's question this way: "I intended to administer justice". That would have blown the prosecutor's mind...!!!
Once upon a time I had a man that I loved. He left me high and dry with no car, no home, no job. And of course I had a child to care for. He definitely taught me how to never love a man again.
They have left a lot of information out of this production. Such as, for example, the sexual abuse that Ruth and her sister Muriel had endured for years at the hands of their father. Ruth's sister Muriel even gave birth to a baby boy by her father. That kind of horrific childhood, if it had been made public, could have provided Ruth with some leniency during the trial. Because she seemed to be carrying around the scars from that childhood trauma for the rest of her life, and the trauma certainly contributed to the poor choices she made. She also tended to pick men just as abusive as her father, which is often the case with victims of abuse.
Their father raped and abused the hell out of his daughters. Its often that victims only know how to look for that kind of traumatized "love." Her father should have hanged. David killed his OWN BABY. Ruth wasn't a total innocent either but her life was just full of being cruelly abused and if came full circle
The actor, Nigel Havers, is related to the man who sentenced Ruth to be hung. I found out that tibit yesterday while watching Who Do You Think You Are. History rocks!
Great documentary. Bad relationship/Bad outcome. What happened to her children? Don't think any man is worth leaving children behind to face an uncertain fate.
This Lizzie Seal, criminologist, seemingly cannot spout the "privilege" mantra often enough. I suppose that to receive one's credentials in higher education, it is now required that you acquiesce to the propaganda of the times. It is tragic that the institutions which should be a bulwark against conformity and oppression have instead become among the leading proponents of those odious conditions.
Her son committed suicide in the early 80s. It doesn’t sound like he had the best life 😢 And her daughter died of cancer when she was just 50 years old.
Yes, but look whete she got that form? Her own mom wouldn't protect her daughters when their father raped and abused them. Their dad RAPED AND ABUSED his girls, mom turned a blind eye. He even had a child with Muriel it seems and they pretended it was the child of their dad and mum! Come on now!!
Those snobbish upper crust jerks! Every one of them. I don't think the same outcome would be allowed to occur in today's day. Ruth was obviously an abused woman, with little resource or sympathy from others, at least not without motive, surrounded on all sides.
I mean... I get her upbringing was sad.... it still seems, at least to me, she still chose to live the life she did. She decided to go to the clubs. Decided to partake in a life of living fast and dying young. She chose the exciting race car driver over the boring accountant. A man that seemed to even look after her child born out of wedlock...
@@CanadianQueenmagenta @Jan Williams This will sound cruel, but shame and judgement tends to be the way we instill values and morals in society. The immoral behavior isn't shamed because people derive some sort of sick pleasure out of condemnation, it's exists to avoid situations in the future, such as covered in this video, by correcting behaviors in the present.
@@TheWaterDragon_91 whatever it takes to make you feel better about judging. I don't buy your babble. You've probably never struggled and suffered to survive all alone in the world so unless and until we don't have the right to judge. I'm done, good day.
@@CanadianQueenmagenta we all choose our path so anyone can judge. An ex recently told me why she left me; cause I was not tall enough. Was that my fault? No, that was her decision over 8 yrs ago and she is now going through hell, I basically have to get get her money to feed her or her kids. We are who we are due to decisions made in the past. She chose the life she lived.
The scripting of the couple’s conversation on the train was stunning as was the casting and acting. It told the story so well and took the viewer on the emotional journey’s of both perspectives simultaneously. Absolute quality in its purest form. I’d love to find out if the script writer has worked on and mainstream productions. The style put me a little in mind if Paddington with Ben Wishaw with its tenderness and consideration but I’m sure that’s just me.
32:42 …but unlike Ruth, she didn’t empty the whole content of a gun into her lover. No court would believe „I shot him accidentally 6 times“ (or rather, 4, since one missed and one ricocheted and hit someone completely unrelated).
Can someone please tell me why the courthouse in London called "The Old Bailey "? I've watched ALOT of these British true crime docs and other courts in the land are referred to as "The Crown Court of . . . ". Just curious about the history. This program is excellent!
@ Dina Tocco. This is what I found on Google. The Central Criminal Court of England and Wales, commonly referred to as the Old Bailey after the street on which it stands, is a criminal court building in central London, one of several that house the Crown Court of England and Wales. The street outside follows the route of the ancient wall around the City of London, which was part of the fortification's bailey, hence the metonymic name. Hope this helps answer your question.
Fabulous job with this! I heard about Ruth Ellis before. Loved the many vintage pictures & moving scenes- it added to the story. Cool atmospheric scene at 26:54-27:33. Fascinating lady. I thought Ruth was a selfish lady, wanting the good life for herself and not caring enough for her own kids, wanting death instead.Thank's for the upload.
That’s why you shouldn’t judge people. We hardly ever know the full story all at once and right away. Also the media twists, omits facts of events to make it sensational…the media loves bad news.
Agreed. She did a horrible thing and absolutely deserved to pay for her crime. But I don't think she deserved death. Maybe life in prison. I don't think her crime was that evil especially considering the abuse she suffered in his hands, he even made her lose her baby! Anyway, death sentence was too much in this case.
@@idil90622 Murder is murder. It would have been wrong for her to get anything other then life though they did use the death sentence to much I agree. He should have gotten in trouble as well for the abuse and Definitely causing the loss of the baby but a point to Remember is multiple times she decided not to let go of the relationship and then purposely followed him and shot him which shows she clearly planned it and wasn't really trying to avoid him after the problems they were having and only invited more trouble.
I'm always in two minds about the Ellis case. On one hand, she was a woman who made bad choices because she wanted The Good Life. On the other, she was a conniver who was desperate to hold on to the only person who could give her the life she thought she wanted, David Blakely. She used her feminine whiles and also some pretty clever deceit to make sure he stayed with her. The night she shot him in front of the Magdala public house, there were many witnesses. She made no effort to hide herself or what she intended to do. She told the police she intended to kill him. It was an "if I can't have him, no one can" situation. If a man had done what she did, he would have been hanged without thought. But because Ruth Ellis was a woman, somehow the law had to change for her? No. She got what she deserved.
Everybody is equal under the law, unfortunately some, as was presents with the socialite, are more equal than others...A well made documentary on how English class system can obstruct justice, still does in fact..
@@brianperry no everyone isn’t equal under law, women are often given far less harsh sentences than men for the same crime It’s cute in theory, In practise, that shit don’t work Modern equality isn’t about equality, it’s about equity
I have 7 books on her and have watched many docos and I feel this one, although well done, took some poetic licence. Ruth was not as nice as this makes out in many I have read. She also drank just as much as Blakely.Do I think she should be executed..No, but those were the rules years ago. She was no angel for sure. Even until she finally shot Blakely she was stringing people along? Sometimes the 'good times' she craves have consequences? I would still have viewed her case as more of a crime of passion.
Im glad she killed the creep. Anyone can think what they may, BUT, I have lived real life and can see the whole picture here. But for those of you raised in a bubble of roses, you cannot see this because you never had to live it. It is aholes that made her in the way she had nothing to lose, so she simply gave herself some justice. I stand beside you Ruth Ellis
What’s wrong with you people, where’s the personal accountability, idc how many beatings you get you can’t justify murder. I’m against domestic violence, but yo murder? They were both garbage, they should both burn in hell.
I'm not very happy living to Europe because stupid Europe abolished capital punishment. And I'm from Lithuania. I'm for death penalty! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment that needs to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment. Capital punishment are the best punishment for murder, treason, terrorism and rape! And it always will be!
why do people make a issue of her being a woman and mother , so what ? the men were men and fathers why is being female and a mum any different ? woman want equality yet what special treatment when it is good for them.
If her thinking was an eye for an eye wouldn't his death be in taken for the life of the baby he took when he punched her in the stomach causing a miscarriage? I'm not for the death penalty but I have to say at least she was honest and knew what she did. If the other woman did the same crime and lied that it was an accident, that is not right obviously. Particularly, if the jury believed her because of her class and she had the money for a better defense. So there could be the same crime but different sentences. That is not right and another reason the death penalty is not a moral choice or justice. No justice system is infallible and innocent people get found guilty and guilty people found innocent. It isn't right to murder someone for a murder or other crime. Two wrongs don't make a right. Especially, in cases where the person is innocent or when some people lie and get away with the crime. And even more important given prejudice of some kind is a factor in that happening far too often.
As bad as her lover boy was, it was premeditated murder. I do not have any problem seeing a woman executed. She did have other options. I feel most sorry for her little boy who in his early 20s committed suicide.
If the boy was 10 when his mom was executed in 1955, then he was born in 1945. In 1982, when he committed suicide, he would've been about 37 years old. He might not do it if his mom was there to raise him, but we'll never know. All we can do is take note, learn from bad history, and apply differently in our own life. When the time is come, our own experiences will become lessons for the kids in the future too.
Why were Ruth Ellis and Edith Thompson executed but Elvira Barney and Marguerite Fahmy acquited? Elvira and Marguerite came from the high class and had money.
The man on the train played the budget-cutting pencil-pusher and eater of fish pies in "Derek." It took me 15 minutes to place him. It was driving me insane, and looking it up wasn't as easy as it should have been. Thank dog it finally came to me.
32:20 I mean to be fair her argument was that she didn't mean to killer her lover unlike Ruth who openly admitted to killing her lover. Big difference here so don't pull the social class card.
Excellent documentary based on the truth Ruth admitted. She must have been a very spirited, brave young woman to live life on her own terms and take the life of the man who punched her in the stomach and destroyed her baby. My sympathies lie with her, a woman who struggled all her life. The victim deserved what he got for violent abuse. Judges those days were conservative aging men who would silently view women from the lower strata of society as trash anyways..
She sadly didn't have a choice but to live life on her own terms. Their father was raping and physically violent on her and Sister Muriel, growing up. He may have taken his grief out by raping his own daughters!! One got pregnant by him!! The b@stard
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This documentary is top quality, I loved the storytelling aspect to it especially the way Ruth's story was told through the woman with the petition. More Murder Maps please!
I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
They are so well made that i too am hooked on (Murder Maps) the acting is amazing..They need a docu award for all of these actors/actres on here, just super awesome.
The woman with the petition is Sophia del Pizzo.
I absolutely love every episode of this show, but I think this was the first one that actually moved me to tears. What excellent storytelling and acting. I truly hope Ruth is at peace now.
This video made my night! Murder maps is the BEST show!!!! PLEASE keep this series going...there's nothing else like it! Every episode is an absolute gem!!!
I love the bookend scenes of the man on the train at the beginning and the petition woman at the end both doing the same thing- searching their pockets for their misplaced train tickets- and how differently they are treated.
That train isn't moving though, is it? No change, then :D
My sentiments exactly.
@@leonnehaaijman4709 it clearly says at the beginning the train is delayed and not going any where for awhile.
@@leonnehaaijman4709 not much of a listener are you 🤦🏽♂️
@@HERETOHELPPEOPLE121 and Shawnda, there's this thing called life. It's where stuff happens, such as people dying. So after three weeks, when I resumed watching this video, not only had I forgotten exactly what was said at the start of the video, but I'd also lost a dear friend of more than 40 years. But thank you for your judgement, it's very much appreciated.
Top marks to the production of this documentary: the vintage photos and videos, narration, interviews, and scripted dialogue are stellar. 🥇
This was so incredibly well done! I absolutely loved the storytelling aspect of presenting the whole of Ruth's life through this woman and how she challenged each of the older man's prejudiced remarks. I would really enjoy seeing more like this!!!
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I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
Prejudiced? He was very respectful. Not everyone has to agree. You sound like a liberal.
Great documentary. There is a movie called Dance with a Stranger that is based on this event. Stars Miranda Richardson and Rupert Everett. It's one of my favorite films.
The Gentleman telling the story is Perfect for this!
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I agree,cheers....
the way you show us the story from two different perspective is superb..... absolutely nailed it
This is the BEST true crime series on TH-cam! So well written, & the actors' portrayals are great. The cherry on top is Nicholas Day's narration throughout. His voice is perfect for this.
This is the second one I have watched and I love them! Great storytelling, very accurate on details from what I can cross reference and the acting is top notch. I could do with toning down the music at times, but overall excellent.
Well done. The way the story was told was excellent.
It’s my second time seeing this video. It told such a sad story of love and hate relationships. Compassion is key. Thank you
... the conversation / story telling / acting between the petition girl and the train passenger was sooo fckn good explaining both side.. what an amazing and yet sad crime documentary.
This was wonderful! I feel for Ruth, l always have. It was not an easy time to be a woman in her position. Fantastic way of presenting her story.
Thank you for this video! I have watched other programs about this case, but this program has new insights!
All of these episodes are so good. Excellent quality, acting etc. They remind me of another of my favs ,” A Crime to Remember “
I appreciate the attention to every detail. As a TC fan , I see a lot of content and this is definitely top notch, IMO.
I like old crimes too. I love A Crime To Remember.....Truly famous old murders never lose their appeal.
They need more seasons of A Crime to Remember!
I can't believe she chose death to raising her children. Wonder what happened to those poor orphans.
*** update from Google...
The 10 year old boy committed suicide in his 20s and the toddler girl was adopted and died of cancer in her 50s. So sad 😞.
Don't forget Desmond also had killed himself by gun in Australia. Thank-you Sharon.
@@orchidlilly7518 ...how sad. All those lives lost.
Thank you for the information!!! //Lars
How sad.. oh god 😰
Not true. Her son was almost 40 years old. He hated her so much that he desecrated her grave. She never even tried to raise him. He lived with his grandmother.
The production, narration, and acting in these videos is excellent. Very entertaining. Keeps my attention. I will be sad when I've watched all of them.
Comparing Ruth Ellis with this other woman who shot her lover and got off is pointless.
Ruth Ellis opened admitted she intended to kill Blakely and at the time the punishment for murder was death and no other sentence could be handed down.
A lot of these murderers of the day were disturbed people where the seeds had been planted in early life.
It is very sad what happened to her.
I cried for Ruth and het small son. She had endured horrible beatings from her boyfriends, even losing her baby. What happened to the little boy left behind? 😭
He killed himself in the 80s
He committed suicide in 1982 The prosecution attorney paid for his funeral
Don't forget Georgina Ellis.
These are amazing, the best yet, great story telling, great acting, great music.
Nowadays the sentences are so lenient talk about going from one extreme to another. People do far worse then Ruth nowadays and get ridiculous sentences. She definitely did not get a fair trial. Her lawyer sounded totally incompetent.
The damn system was incompetent
Such a great doco!! Thanks for the upload! Hope to see more :)
Poor Ruth Ellis .I was a child of 12 when I stood alone at home waiting for the end of Ruth. I have never forgotten how sad I felt.
Why pity her? She clearly values more her lover than her own children. She's that type of a woman.
U felt sad, Snowflake, for the perpetrator, but not the victim?? 🤮
These are very well done, and acted!
Thank goodness that women, these days have a voice , about domestic violence 🙏☮😇 R.I.P. Ruth Ellis❤
Ppfff only a small portion. Police is useless with home affairs
Not really.
Totally agree with you my friend.
Why is it everytime a woman commits a crime it’s always a sob story of how hard her life was and how every man in her life was mean to her. It’s so annoying listening to the same thing every time a woman chooses to commit a crime. Women are never held accountable they instead blame a man. Either their dad , brother , husband , BF etc
These shows are really well done!! Really enjoy them!!
Incredible work.
This was so beautifully told
Thank goodness 🇿🇦🇿🇦 Showing love from Mzansi
@34:03 she does not look like she's in her 20s. Clearly, she lived hard and her life ended 'hard'.
Out of this entire episode that’s what you took away from it?! 😂 absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah she looks bad!
@@MetaMortis21 it’s a comment from observation..what do you want? An essay? Shut up!
Women of the 1950s tended to look older than their years due to the fashions (well tailored but often frumpy) and the heavy dyes and makeup.
@@ThePlatafexactly and the hair short and curled she has flawless skin Dont know what this person is talking about.
Ruth Ellis' execution was a blatant miscarriage of justice and I say that as a firm believer in the death penalty.
I am against the death penalty full stop. 2 wrongs don't make a right. The BBC made a documentary in the early 1980s about a man whom was tried, convicted of murder and sentenced to death. The documentary is called 14 days in May. I recommend people watch it. It was so sad seeing him with his family for the last time his last meal etc etc. Then a feed hours after the execution was carried out new evidence came to light to prove his innocence. The death penalty should NEVER be re introduced and should be banned the world over. If you get life that what it should be LIFE without Parole.
Quite the opposite. It was clearly a first degree murder. There was not any real doubt of her guilt and she filled all requirements for the death penalty. More so she seems to have been hellbent on having a lethal date with mr Pierrepoint and went out of her way to ensure that and refusing every opportunity to avoid the gallows. Basically: Justice, according to the laws at the time. was served and her sentence was just. Arguably it was an assisted suicide
But she was guilty of murder wich carried the death penalty. So technically the sentence was just for a murder charge. Unfortunately she hanged herself when she said "it is obvious i intended to kill him "
It really was a crime of passion, im for the death penalty, but I think ŕth should have got a jail sentence with parole, I know back then it was not that simple
Every time I hear this story it saddened's my heart for she was a mother, and she had a young life ahead of her with her child. Three damn drunks in her life abused her, what was she suppose to do when was it going to end. She fought through everything for her child. I say that men need to wisen up. Women deserve better. Ruth, RIP🙏💔💋
After watching this video I really feel so sad for Ruth's life. Let go of someone that don't appreciate your love and move forward so it won't end up this way.
I'm for death penalty. Sadly England in 1960s capital punishment was abolished. It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
That's easier said than done ... especially if that is the only life she was used to ... ALL of the MALES in her life were abusive alcoholics, to her that was "normal". So many armchair "experts" in the comments...
@@rhuephus Murders are unjustifiable! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment.
@@rhuephus Nothing justifies murder. Murders, as well as treason, terrorism, rape must be punishable by death. That's why I love Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, India, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq. Because these countries in contrast to the European Union and United Kingdom understands that are crimes for which only one punishment can be imposed - death
@@rhuephus I love all death penalty countries like Japan, India, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Egypt, Libya 😍👍👏
Life is terrible brutal.
Tragic end. Nice presentation.
Watch "Dance with a Stranger" pretty decent retelling of the story.
Finally! Another great Murder Map episode.
That's the problem with domestic violence. Some people think u can just walk away from it and the reality is, its not that easy. Alot of people stay because of fear..the fear of the abuser finding out ur plans, the punishment if u get caught..these situations are dangerous and scary and hard to get out of, period. Some stay for the stability and some because they just dont want to be alone. There is no way u can truly understand it without having been that situation urself..its a whole other world of pure hell and darkness that i wouldn't wish on anyone.
Excellent acting in the docudrama scenes, made me tear up at the end. Bravo ole fellas.
Such a well done account. I thought perhaps the young woman was Ruth’s daughter. Her first child was a girl, who we hear no more about after the original mention. Riveting telling, definitely held my attention throughout.
me too
that's what I was wondering, too ... WHAT IF ??
Excellent Production.
I love all the history stuff.
Thanks very much.
This just proves how wrong Capital Punishment can be.
Ruth shouldn't have gotten more than 5 years imo.
Ruth had a sad, ruthless and unfortunate life.
Nevertheless we all suffer the consequences of our actions. If not now then in the next life. But be sure we shall all be judged according to our works.
Get a life
No she chose to kill a man instead of raising her kids...
This proves nothing to me.
Throughout history, there are people with harsher lives out there (me included, I've been abused to bleed by my own mother and cheated by my husband and my own bestfriend since childhood, I got severe depression for years) and they don't choose murder. Especially when they have children or elderly (or even cats and dogs) who needed them very much. Misery doesn't give you the right to kill someone unless it was self defense or punishment.
Unfortunately though it is still basically the same if you have money and power you can pretty much get you get a slap on the wrist but if you're poor and you get in trouble they throw the book at you
The emotions roused after Ellis’ execution involve the economic, social, and financial inequity of her situation, not only bc she was a mother. It’s also easy for me to get upset about this case, when there were at least 3 gross miscarriages of justice....one was the horrible abuse Ellis suffered, the other was her “friend” who incited her to murder by providing a gun with the constant “encouragement” to an extremely vulnerable, desperate woman, and the social position of the man she murdered....but the problem was, Ellis didn’t do murder to protect herself from another future beating. _She did it in cold blood. That’s why she was executed._ We can’t look back and apply Battered Woman Syndrome-the definition and use as a criminal defense-which was a few decades down the road, however perfectly Ellis fit the definition. I believe she would not have lost her life if she had committed murder in the middle of another beating, as happened to the woman with higher social status disingenuously stated here, but bc she hadn’t done that, the judge had no choice: death was the only legal possibility at that time.
like the old man said...Law is a law..
Trauma leaves long-term scares. You're never mentally the sane after going thru pro longed traumatic abuse. We use to hang the insane because we didnt understand insanity, its not a stretch to say she did what she did because of PTSD. We are learning how trauma destroys mental health everyday.
Not what happened with the other woman of higher social status (Elvia Blakely). If you go back and rewatch the video around 32:00, it says that Blakely's claim that she was attempting to commit suicide when her husband physically stood in front of the gun and was thus "accidentally" killed was the ostensible legal reason why she was acquitted, not because she killed her lover in self-defense.
how do YOU know her state of mind ?? Were you there next to her during her entire life ???
I'm not very happy living to Europe because stupid Europe abolished capital punishment. And I'm from Lithuania. I'm for death penalty! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment that needs to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment. Capital punishment are the best punishment for murder, treason, terrorism and rape! And it always will be!
"But Ruth has a child!"
Yes, and if Ruth had decided to focus her attention on being a devoted mother instead of chasing after men, she could have avoided the death penalty and all the drama that led up to it. Clearly, Ruth was the one who needed to be reminded that she was a mother.
Yes, but look where she got that from? Her own mom wouldn't protect her daughters when their father raped and abused them. Their dad RAPED AND ABUSED his girls, mom turned a blind eye. For years. He even had a child with Muriel it seems and they pretended it was the child of their dad and mum! Come on now!!
Ruth Ellis should have answered the prosecutor's question this way: "I intended to administer justice". That would have blown the prosecutor's mind...!!!
That’s what you call Justice, he beat her so she killed him. Yikes! Well I’m glad you’re not a judge or anything.
@@DirkDiggler334her father raped her like hell. His other daughter too. Their mom looks the other way. Where's the justice in that?
in my opinion she didn't deserve it
Once upon a time I had a man that I loved. He left me high and dry with no car, no home, no job. And of course I had a child to care for. He definitely taught me how to never love a man again.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
She wasn't a victim anymore, she was a mother and failed her kids miserably!
They have left a lot of information out of this production. Such as, for example, the sexual abuse that Ruth and her sister Muriel had endured for years at the hands of their father. Ruth's sister Muriel even gave birth to a baby boy by her father. That kind of horrific childhood, if it had been made public, could have provided Ruth with some leniency during the trial. Because she seemed to be carrying around the scars from that childhood trauma for the rest of her life, and the trauma certainly contributed to the poor choices she made. She also tended to pick men just as abusive as her father, which is often the case with victims of abuse.
#WATTAMORON
@@ValerieBerezinathank you!!!!!!
You can be both
@@ValerieBerezinayou are the only person in here who I read mention this so far😮 well done!
Very interesting. The conversation between the man and the young lady on the train is brilliant. But why don't we hear about Ruth's daughter again?
Why is it they barely touch on the fact that he beat her pregnant and killed her baby in the process? Can hardly blame her after all that trauma.
that was typical British law ... it's ALWAYS the women's fault, even when it isn't
@@rhuephus I agree.
During that era, a man could abuse his wife with impunity. Wives were property.
Seriously. Wtf
Their father raped and abused the hell out of his daughters. Its often that victims only know how to look for that kind of traumatized "love." Her father should have hanged. David killed his OWN BABY. Ruth wasn't a total innocent either but her life was just full of being cruelly abused and if came full circle
Don't let anyone treat you badly. Love yourself and life won't be so hard
The actor, Nigel Havers, is related to the man who sentenced Ruth to be hung. I found out that tibit yesterday while watching Who Do You Think You Are. History rocks!
Great documentary. Bad relationship/Bad outcome. What happened to her children? Don't think any man is worth leaving children behind to face an uncertain fate.
Where was her 10 yr old son when she was partying? And Wow she had 2 kids.
This Lizzie Seal, criminologist, seemingly cannot spout the "privilege" mantra often enough. I suppose that to receive one's credentials in higher education, it is now required that you acquiesce to the propaganda of the times. It is tragic that the institutions which should be a bulwark against conformity and oppression have instead become among the leading proponents of those odious conditions.
Ruth Ellis was not left standing on the drop board. It takes 14 seconds from cell to drop
There was a film made about this case called “Yield To the Night” starring Diana Dors. It was very well done I thought.
Yes, I thought Diana was amazingly good. Yvonne (can't recall her surname) played the wardress. Great drama.
Yes. I agree, the wardress was played with great empathy and sensitivity. Diana was indeed a fine actress.
Wonderful story. Too bad Ms. Ruth stayed with this abusive monster and orphaned her children. What became of them?
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Her son committed suicide in the early 80s. It doesn’t sound like he had the best life 😢 And her daughter died of cancer when she was just 50 years old.
That was a great story indeed. Storytelling at it's finest.
I think Ruth is the kind of woman who values more her lover over her own children.
Yes, but look whete she got that form? Her own mom wouldn't protect her daughters when their father raped and abused them. Their dad RAPED AND ABUSED his girls, mom turned a blind eye. He even had a child with Muriel it seems and they pretended it was the child of their dad and mum! Come on now!!
Those snobbish upper crust jerks! Every one of them. I don't think the same outcome would be allowed to occur in today's day. Ruth was obviously an abused woman, with little resource or sympathy from others, at least not without motive, surrounded on all sides.
I mean... I get her upbringing was sad.... it still seems, at least to me, she still chose to live the life she did. She decided to go to the clubs. Decided to partake in a life of living fast and dying young. She chose the exciting race car driver over the boring accountant. A man that seemed to even look after her child born out of wedlock...
How judgmental of you. Unless you walk in someone's shoes best not to judge.
@@CanadianQueenmagenta @Jan Williams This will sound cruel, but shame and judgement tends to be the way we instill values and morals in society. The immoral behavior isn't shamed because people derive some sort of sick pleasure out of condemnation, it's exists to avoid situations in the future, such as covered in this video, by correcting behaviors in the present.
@@TheWaterDragon_91 whatever it takes to make you feel better about judging. I don't buy your babble. You've probably never struggled and suffered to survive all alone in the world so unless and until we don't have the right to judge. I'm done, good day.
@@CanadianQueenmagenta we all choose our path so anyone can judge. An ex recently told me why she left me; cause I was not tall enough. Was that my fault? No, that was her decision over 8 yrs ago and she is now going through hell, I basically have to get get her money to feed her or her kids. We are who we are due to decisions made in the past. She chose the life she lived.
Stupid goddamn religion
I still fail to care about dishonest people
The scripting of the couple’s conversation on the train was stunning as was the casting and acting. It told the story so well and took the viewer on the emotional journey’s of both perspectives simultaneously. Absolute quality in its purest form. I’d love to find out if the script writer has worked on and mainstream productions. The style put me a little in mind if Paddington with Ben Wishaw with its tenderness and consideration but I’m sure that’s just me.
32:42 …but unlike Ruth, she didn’t empty the whole content of a gun into her lover. No court would believe „I shot him accidentally 6 times“ (or rather, 4, since one missed and one ricocheted and hit someone completely unrelated).
"Hey there! Would you like to sign my petition?"
David was a scumbag. She did deserve prison but not the death penalty.
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What a terrible life for her son to lead.
Can someone please tell me why the courthouse in London called "The Old Bailey "? I've watched ALOT of these British true crime docs and other courts in the land are referred to as "The Crown Court of . . . ". Just curious about the history. This program is excellent!
@ Dina Tocco. This is what I found on Google. The Central Criminal Court of England and Wales, commonly referred to as the Old Bailey after the street on which it stands, is a criminal court building in central London, one of several that house the Crown Court of England and Wales. The street outside follows the route of the ancient wall around the City of London, which was part of the fortification's bailey, hence the metonymic name. Hope this helps answer your question.
Thank you for the explanation.
These videos are superb.
I have definitely watched this exact upload on another channel buuut it was worth rewatching
"She has a 10 y/o son!"
So??? What does that have to do with anything? Such a dumb argument.
Went from "we all have those days" to "be more careful". That was a little too relatable
Fabulous job with this! I heard about Ruth Ellis before. Loved the many vintage pictures & moving scenes- it added to the story. Cool atmospheric scene at 26:54-27:33. Fascinating lady. I thought Ruth was a selfish lady, wanting the good life for herself and not caring enough for her own kids, wanting death instead.Thank's for the upload.
That’s why you shouldn’t judge people. We hardly ever know the full story all at once and right away. Also the media twists, omits facts of events to make it sensational…the media loves bad news.
she was not "selfish", she just wanted something better ...
Having a kid and your background do not excuse someone of their crimes. She made a choice.
Agreed. She did a horrible thing and absolutely deserved to pay for her crime. But I don't think she deserved death. Maybe life in prison.
I don't think her crime was that evil especially considering the abuse she suffered in his hands, he even made her lose her baby! Anyway, death sentence was too much in this case.
@@idil90622 Murder is murder. It would have been wrong for her to get anything other then life though they did use the death sentence to much I agree. He should have gotten in trouble as well for the abuse and Definitely causing the loss of the baby but a point to Remember is multiple times she decided not to let go of the relationship and then purposely followed him and shot him which shows she clearly planned it and wasn't really trying to avoid him after the problems they were having and only invited more trouble.
I'm always in two minds about the Ellis case. On one hand, she was a woman who made bad choices because she wanted The Good Life. On the other, she was a conniver who was desperate to hold on to the only person who could give her the life she thought she wanted, David Blakely. She used her feminine whiles and also some pretty clever deceit to make sure he stayed with her. The night she shot him in front of the Magdala public house, there were many witnesses. She made no effort to hide herself or what she intended to do. She told the police she intended to kill him. It was an "if I can't have him, no one can" situation. If a man had done what she did, he would have been hanged without thought. But because Ruth Ellis was a woman, somehow the law had to change for her? No. She got what she deserved.
Everybody is equal under the law, unfortunately some, as was presents with the socialite, are more equal than others...A well made documentary on how English class system can obstruct justice, still does in fact..
I totally agree. Had she been a man, there wouldn't have been quite a fuss on petitions to have her reprieved.
@@brianperry no everyone isn’t equal under law, women are often given far less harsh sentences than men for the same crime
It’s cute in theory, In practise, that shit don’t work
Modern equality isn’t about equality, it’s about equity
"feminine wiles" really? This is 2022. Get with the program.
I have 7 books on her and have watched many docos and I feel this one, although well done, took some poetic licence. Ruth was not as nice as this makes out in many I have read. She also drank just as much as Blakely.Do I think she should be executed..No, but those were the rules years ago. She was no angel for sure. Even until she finally shot Blakely she was stringing people along? Sometimes the 'good times' she craves have consequences? I would still have viewed her case as more of a crime of passion.
Keeping the relationship with the wrong person is a suicide
Excellent
Im glad she killed the creep. Anyone can think what they may, BUT, I have lived real life and can see the whole picture here. But for those of you raised in a bubble of roses, you cannot see this because you never had to live it. It is aholes that made her in the way she had nothing to lose, so she simply gave herself some justice. I stand beside you Ruth Ellis
Me too.
What’s wrong with you people, where’s the personal accountability, idc how many beatings you get you can’t justify murder. I’m against domestic violence, but yo murder? They were both garbage, they should both burn in hell.
Ruth Ellis killed a person and thank to God she was hanged
I'm not very happy living to Europe because stupid Europe abolished capital punishment. And I'm from Lithuania. I'm for death penalty! It was the most stupid things United Kingdom and Europe has ever done. I live in Lithuania where like in almost all Europe where are no capital punishment at all. And that’s the worst thing that makes me angry while living in Europe. The death penalty is the most appropriate, the best punishment that needs to be imposed for murder, treason, terrorism and rape. A great examples are India, Japan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei where are capital punishment for a lot of crimes. And it’s just amazing, adorable. Such countries like Japan, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei are an example. I sincerely hope that for crimes such as murder and treason Europe will recover the wonderful and amazing capital punishment. Capital punishment are the best punishment for murder, treason, terrorism and rape! And it always will be!
I understand you. In today's world, David and Arthur Nielsen would be behind bars, so Ruth wouldn't have killed anyone. Abusers and rapists
He may have been of a higher social standing, but she was FAR better than him. Anyone who beats a woman for pastime deserves what he got.
Agreed
why do people make a issue of her being a woman and mother , so what ? the men were men and fathers why is being female and a mum any different ? woman want equality yet what special treatment when it is good for them.
If her thinking was an eye for an eye wouldn't his death be in taken for the life of the baby he took when he punched her in the stomach causing a miscarriage? I'm not for the death penalty but I have to say at least she was honest and knew what she did. If the other woman did the same crime and lied that it was an accident, that is not right obviously. Particularly, if the jury believed her because of her class and she had the money for a better defense. So there could be the same crime but different sentences. That is not right and another reason the death penalty is not a moral choice or justice. No justice system is infallible and innocent people get found guilty and guilty people found innocent. It isn't right to murder someone for a murder or other crime. Two wrongs don't make a right. Especially, in cases where the person is innocent or when some people lie and get away with the crime. And even more important given prejudice of some kind is a factor in that happening far too often.
They should never have let Ruth Ellis take the stand. Her defence lawyers seems to have hardly made an effort.
As bad as her lover boy was, it was premeditated murder. I do not have any problem seeing a woman executed.
She did have other options.
I feel most sorry for her little boy who in his early 20s committed suicide.
He was almost 40 years old when he killed himself. Right after he desecrated his "mothers" grave.
If the boy was 10 when his mom was executed in 1955, then he was born in 1945. In 1982, when he committed suicide, he would've been about 37 years old. He might not do it if his mom was there to raise him, but we'll never know. All we can do is take note, learn from bad history, and apply differently in our own life. When the time is come, our own experiences will become lessons for the kids in the future too.
What about David? Hes no angel in this
He was about 37. Don't forget Georgina. Andy's dad also left Ruth cuz he lied and was already engaged to someone else w/o telling Ruth!!!!
@@sheilariley1261no angel at alllllllll
Can we all agree if a man beats a woman while pregnant, the baby dies , it's murder not 'she lost the baby'"?
If you want some serious change perhaps call it " forced abortion "?
Why were Ruth Ellis and Edith Thompson executed but Elvira Barney and Marguerite Fahmy acquited? Elvira and Marguerite came from the high class and had money.
She didn't think about her kids
And neither do a lot of men who go and commit murders too
The man on the train played the budget-cutting pencil-pusher and eater of fish pies in "Derek." It took me 15 minutes to place him. It was driving me insane, and looking it up wasn't as easy as it should have been. Thank dog it finally came to me.
which "dog" is that ?? A British Terrier ??
@@rhuephus Lol - no. It's just something I say instead of "thank god."
32:20 I mean to be fair her argument was that she didn't mean to killer her lover unlike Ruth who openly admitted to killing her lover. Big difference here so don't pull the social class card.
I cried at the end!!!
Excellent documentary based on the truth Ruth admitted.
She must have been a very spirited, brave young woman to live life on her own terms and take the life of the man who punched her in the stomach and destroyed her baby.
My sympathies lie with her, a woman who struggled all her life.
The victim deserved what he got for violent abuse.
Judges those days were conservative aging men who would silently view women from the lower strata of society as trash anyways..
She sadly didn't have a choice but to live life on her own terms. Their father was raping and physically violent on her and Sister Muriel, growing up. He may have taken his grief out by raping his own daughters!! One got pregnant by him!! The b@stard
Hey, equal rights equal death penalty, I've never understood why females were held to a different standard... Patriarchal society???🤔🤔🤔
Huh? Did you mean matriarchal?
Sad story
Worst decision ever made,to get rid of hanging,that is. Some monsters only understand one thing.
Yes it still hangs on our heads, that men have a better time of it with certain situations that come our way.