The fact that Jay-Z would even have the nerve. "Michael has no Coachella." .......AND?!?! Why would he NEED it?! Last I checked, Coachella host MULTIPLE performers. Michael did twice that audience himself MULTIPLE times!!
Let’s just say this, without Michael Jackson, Beyoncé would have never been able to play Coachella. Appreciate those who came before you and paved the way. I appreciate Jay, but stop trying to compare Micheal and Beyoncé. There is absolutely NO comparison.
@@rochellenicole6658 Facts. It's always people that like to use her name to tarnish or just demean someone's legacy or talent. She herself has made it clear that she h8's that. Whenever people disrespect Michelle and Kelly, she h8's that. When Kanye disrespected Taylor to uplift Beyoncé at the vma 2009 awards she h8ed that. Like any Beyoncé fan knows this. And her husband is obviously her fan too. He should know better.
I don’t like how people try an knock down michael to uplift Beyoncé. Michael is the first of many things because of the era he was in and the same for Beyoncé. In my opinion there’s no comparison between the 2. If I’m not mistaken Thriller was first played on MTV. Back then MTV wasn’t playing black artist music or video. Michael has opened doors for this generation.
i know the first video on MTV period was 'Video Killed the Radio Star' but Thriller has to be the first video from a black artist. even David Bowie went on MTV criticizing them for not playing enough black artists in the beginning
@@Kelema86 MTV did play black artists before Thriller. Michael Jackson was the 1st black artist to have a video playing in heavy rotation on MTV. That video was Billie Jean.
I am an MJ fan, I am not a Beyonce fan but I do give honor to whom honor is due. Michael Jackson is THE BLUEPRINT for performance excellence! He will forever be the greatest. Now, the reason why I give Beyonce her flowers is because whenever I watch her perform, she reminds me of the days when artistes left you breathless and in awe. They performed like their lives depended on it. They left it all on the stage. This is why we thought artistes, musicians and performers were gods back in the day. Beyonce pays homage to a time past gone. I will never put her on the same level as MJ, but she is definitely a reflection of that strain of greatness!
i will say this, to anybody who misses the days of artists truly performing and giving their all with big dance numbers, check out k-pop. it’s still the norm to have big dance numbers and high energy onstage unlike here in america right now. i suggest bts at the mma awards in 2019 and 2020.. some of the best performances i’ve ever seen and they pay great homage to MJ!!
They both can be celebrated, but Jay-Z compared them both when he put MJ name in his mouth measuring Beyonce against him. He doesn't need a Coachella. The man could stand on the stage statue still for 5 minutes and have people screaming and passing out like flies. His songs are timeless. You have people all over the world, of all ages that don't speak english that can sing his songs. He had people wearing leather jackets with 50 zippers in the summer time. Our mama's and daddy's had jheri curls thanks to MJ.
i don’t think JayZ meant Michael needed to perform at coachella, rather he was saying that MJ doesn’t have a performance on the same caliber as Beyoncé’s coachella performance.
Michael SOLD OUT 50 Shows in ONE city within a few HOURS. Let that sink in for a minute. 50 shows in one city within a few hours. UNPRECEDENTED!! He was 50 at the time with no new album, no new project and going through one of the darkest times of his life with media manipulations and lies, fake allegations, extortion attempts, etc. Yet, this man SOLD OUT 50 shows. No OTHER ARTIST now or before have ever done that and no one ever will. Let’s be honest does ANYONE think that Beyoncé even at her peak now, could do anything like that? I’ll answer it for you, NO she couldn’t do it and nobody else in the world could do it. Not Janet, Not Adele, Not Taylor, Not Bruno, Not, Prince, Not Elvis, Not the Beatles! NO ONE. Just from looking at the rehearsal footage of This Is It, we already know Michael was going to set the world on fire, AGAIN. This is just a hypothetical question, if Michael and Beyonce were announcing concerts at the same time on the same day, whose concert do you think would sell out quicker? Whose concert would YOU attend, if you had a choice? Think about it and respond.
MJ is the standard. This is what happens when you are the standard. Every great performer since Thriller dropped (i.e. Janet, Usher, Bruno, Chris Brown) is compared and likened to MJ. His fans should take it as a compliment. Not like Bey is chopped liver. Lady has sold 100 mill records, made a billion in touring and won 28 Grammys. I see her more as Tina Turner 2.0. But definitely a MJ disciple as well. That said, MJ was not God same as B. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The bullying is unnecessary from both sides. MJ legacy is forever cemented.
You hit the nail on the head about Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Prince, and Madonna emerging and being popular in a very special encapsulated time period. Whether you liked their music or not, you knew a lot of their catalogue, music videos, what they looked like, iconic moments, and current material. Because TV and Radio were the main ways to receive entertainment between the 80s through the early 2000s people were on the same page because there was a limited amount of stations. Now people may be familiar with a celebrity but not every demographic knows their music or watches the same programming. Things are catered to a niche audience because we all can watch different content at different times due to the internet, streaming services, and so many premium cable channels. There’s a lot less crossover appeal than before. If you say “Thriller,” “The Bodyguard,” “Rhythm Nation,” “Purple Rain,” “Like a Virgin,” etc. people will know exactly the body of work you’re talking about. If you say “The Fame Monster,” a lot of people wouldn’t know that’s a Lady Gaga album from 2009, despite it selling 15 million copies worldwide. Their haven’t been many global classic albums, songs, or even TV shows to come out of the new millennium and stand the rest of time. Additionally, MJ, Prince, Janet, Whitney, and Madonna were all considered legends at a pretty young age. That amount of impact is not seen today. For instance, I remember growing up and Janet Jackson was considered a legendary icon by the time “The Velvet Rope” (1997) and “All for You” (2001) were released when she was only in her early 30s. That group of artists crossed generational gaps. I remember my mom saying things like, “Michael Jackson changed music videos when I was a teenager, Whitney Houston came out my senior year of high school in ‘85, Janet and I were the same age and were both 19 when Control came out.” Fast forward to 1998/99 I was now growing up with their HBO/TV concerts, Whitney’s “My Love is Your Love” album, Janet’s “Velvet Rope,”etc. The amount of time that had passed was only 12-14 years but it seemed like they had been around for an eternity because the previous generation came up with their music and now their children were growing up like their music and they were still at their commercial peaks. The general public would never consider an artist that came out in 2008 “A Legend” because it’s still seen as too soon although that was now 13-14 years ago. Back in ‘99 Janet Jackson had been making music videos for about 12-13 years (Control was 1986), but she already had a generation of new people like Britney Spears, Aaliyah, Usher, and Christina Aguilera that grew up with her music since they were 4-6 years old. They would often say how influential and legendary she was. She and her peers (Whitney, Madonna, Michael, Prince, etc.) were viewed as a very seasoned artists by that time. The influence was evident. It was a very different time. We never see younger artists running up to Katy Perry or Bruno Mars saying “they grew up with them” or that “they’re legends.” Katy Perry and Bruno Mars are still seen as “the new generation” even though it’s been 12-13 years now. Artists like a Taylor Swift and Rihanna are seen as “the young people’s music.” If you go back and look at a Whitney concert you can see people of all different ages and races. A 70 year old white man and 7 year old Black girl can both go to a Whitney Houston concert in the 90s and enjoy. Not many artists can pull in those different demographics now. In this time now I think Beyoncé comes the closest to that era of Michael, Whitney, Mdna, Prince, Janet, etc. out of all her peers. When she entered the industry in the late 90s it was very a different business. She survived a lot of changes. Moreover, to your point made around (57:00) about the erasure of artists, I remember growing up Michael and Janet were seen by the media as being on the same level, until the Super Bowl incident in 2004. They slowly started to erase her legacy. Before that she was getting tribute after tribute and lifetime achievement awards (I.e. The 2001 MTV Icon show). When I was growing up I remember her being considered just as much of a legend as Michael and sometimes being more accepted than him because of his allegations. They co-existed as two separate iconic entities. I never remember people comparing them by the late 90s/early 2000s. It was a cool time to be a kid and see no matter your race and gender you could achieve any level of success. I was a really little kid back then so my perspective may differ from other peoples but this was a great breakdown video!
@@1mamakuh thank you!! Back in the day if you didn’t buy an artist’s album, once the songs left the radio or video rotation there was no way to access that particular. You wouldn’t hear that song for years to come. You had to wait for it to be played again, once it was old enough to be on the old school station, wait for a greatest hits release, or wait for a throwback video segment like “106 & Park” used to have. For instance, in 1999, when I was a very little kid, my mother was in her 30s. In 1986 she was 19 turning 20. When a Janet Jackson or Luther Vandross song from 1986 would play she would say stuff like “I haven’t heard this since I was young!” 12-13 years sounds like a short amount of time now but living back 1986 was already old school in the late 90s. Like Calvin said, it’s different when you live actually live it. Nowadays we can look up any song at anytime, so it doesn’t feel like as much time has passed. If you hear Nick Minaj “Superbass” from 11 years ago it doesn’t seem old school because you could TH-cam it anytime between 2011 and now. Back in the 90s, if you’re 33 and haven’t heard a song since you were 19 it seemed like a very long stretch of time. So much maturity can happen in those years. I also think that’s why artists from past generations careers seemed longer than today’s artist. In addition to time moving slower in the 80s and 90s, so much had changed by the late 1990s. The late 90s was dial up internet, CDs, Backstreet Boys vs. *NSYNC, Britney Spears, and TV shows like “Sex in the City”. The mid 80s was Vinyl albums, big hair, shoulder pads, dance-pop, and conservative shows like “The Cosby Show.” It was a different world (no pun intended). For an artist like Whitney Houston and Janet Jackson to survive all those changes and still be relevant was a remarkable achievement. Additionally, in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s people had to find things to do in order to pass time, whereas now you can pass time by binge watching social media videos. Before we had to do puzzles, read books, go outside, or wait until something we liked came on TV. Just one year went by so slow. Furthermore, I remember in the late 90s and early 2000s people like Whitney Houston and Luther Vandross were considered to be the same level of legend as people like Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and Tina Turner. For example, in 2001 BET gave the 1st lifetime achievement award to Whitney Houston (she debuted in the 80s). James Brown (debuted in the 50s) and got his lifetime achievement award in 2003. That would never happen now. Taylor Swift would never get a lifetime achievement award before Prince lol. Moreover, as kids we didn’t even realize how much later the 80s stars came after the 50s, 60s, and 70s artists because by the turn of the millennium it was all considered classic music. Prince’s “Purple Rain” (1984) was just as much of a classic record as Aretha Franklin’s “RESPECT” (1967) by the new millennium. If you grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s you understand exactly what I mean. I hope this wasn’t too long 😂😂 but I enjoy the conversation around time periods and eras.
@@anthonym.5709 I am so impressed with your knowledge and I as well grow up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I completely understand what you are talking about, great explanation
MJ could put out an iconic show with just a spotlight. Meanwhile, Bey or every modern performers heavily rely on high stage production and army of back up dancers.
Michael Jackson is one of a kind, one that comes around only once in a lifetime. Beyonce is a self-made woman through hard work and strategy. They are both great in their own right.
How could you possibly reduce Beyoncé to just that??? No mention of her exceptional talent and undeniable influence. Let’s not downplay her legacy. She is Michaels best creation as Jay said an evolution of him not a replacement.
Calvin knows his music history. I sure appreciate him. This happens all over the arts. I was a painter in Grad School in the 90's. I received a scholarship, I was lucky with a bit of talent. As soon as I got to campus the art professors who were male and white of course tried to get me to change my medium. Fortunately, my brother warned me about this because I was a good painter. I continued to paint my experience and ignored them and used the angst to further my skills and imagination. They finally gave up and went after some other students.
I didn't want to say because Calvin made great points but we all this is true, Mike is the king! There is a part in the "This is it" doc where he was talking to his musicians. The music director was like okay Mike, when do we come? Mike said, you just have to feel it!!!! C'mon that moment alone shows how great he is!
I just wished more ppl remembered the Dangerous Black or White rollout era... "The eleven-minute video for "Black or White" debuted on November 14, 1991, and was broadcast across 27 countries simultaneously. Five hundred million viewers reportedly watched it-the largest audience ever for a music video."
Thank you for that reminder!!! Black or White remains my favorite Michael Jackson song of all time for its technologically ground breaking video, searing lead guitar and incomparable bass line!!!!!😍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🤩💯💥
I'm coming into this agreeing that they can both be great without having to tear down each other. I'm really enjoying the music history that comes with this and I'm also glad that we get to come together over something not traumatic.
I thought the same thing. To be honest, living through both of their hype or huge periods. I’d honestly say that it’s about equal. But I think Beyoncé just got there within the past year.
@@Blazenetwork1990 She didn't sell out Japan China the Middle East South Africa Is Michael Michael did it for a long period of time Some countries don't know who beyonce is I give her America But she's not as global as Mike
@@jarrettcone8949 she has not performed in Japan in over a decade since having children she has sold out them all in the past the most she do now is 50 shows no more of the 120 shows in the early part of her career this is exactly what he was talking about in the video yall trying to down one artist to uplift the next one
Michael is one of a kind!! Once in a lifetime type of performer! Beyoncé is as close as we are going to get to someone who takes their craft and the art of performance as serious as Michael did because Beyoncé admired and studied Michael and comes from an era where you had to be a TRUE performer when you graced a stage. She is in the last of that league and she is talented in her own right and just how their is only one Michael their is also only one Beyoncé and you can acknowledge that without disrespecting either of them as people.
Thank you! I agree wholeheartedly! I see a lot of MJ in Beyoncé in how she is a perfectionist and takes her art and her performances so seriously. Just like MJ she is a hard worker and an excellent entertainer. MJ is the blueprint for the formula Beyoncé clearly has been inspired by him. Just like MJ was inspired by people like James Brown and Jackie Wilson that came before him! I love how each generation brings new things and new amazing perfomers. That doesn’t mean we have to forget about the former ones and that doesn’t mean we have to shit on the new ones and say that because they were inspired by true former ones then they will never measure up or be good enough.
Facts we gotta put some respect on her name man she’s the last of that breed Bey is an 80s baby she literally was like 9 or 10 yrs old when “Dangerous” album came out
I just want to know the obsession with people saying so and so is the next MJ, why do y’all want to surpass that man so bad, nobody will and it’s time to accept that! Jay Z & the people in her camp seem insecure in her legacy standing the test of time.
@@lyndoraburroughs-robinson5663 as they should!! Stop trying to disrespect of black people who came before them who are entertainers who have to get it out the mud back when they don't have no industry backing in the music companies took all their f****** royalties and money you know. Like people fall for you to have this I would never disrespect civil rights leaders or slaves or any black person that came before me because it's because of their strength that I can stand Beyonce is not all that and a bag of chips not told people they just stop praising her like she's a God because she tends to think that she's the way she is because of her own Divine self no girl you learned and matured from from watching other black
Michael Jackson was selling out stadiums when he was like 9 She don't deserve to be in the same conversation at all And he already was a megastar Before his Biggest selling album
I also wanted to mention that I like how you said so much has been done on stage that it’s hard to impress audiences now. Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston winning 8 and 11 awards in one night was shocking because it was unheard of. Madonna and Janet Jackson having 17 & 18 consecutive top 10 hits (respectively) was mind boggling. Now if Taylor Swift or Drake breaks their record the shock value has been taken out of it. If Taylor Swift gets 19 consecutive top tens it’s not exciting because its not really new to us to be on that level anymore. If Drake has more billboard entries than any other artist it doesn’t move us. The world had never seen stars as big as the Madonna, Janet, Prince, MJ, Whitney, Michael Jordan, etc. generation. Something new and innovative would really have to hit the entertainment industry in order to shock and excite people again. That era can’t be duplicated, it’d have to be something new.
Michael Jackson HAD THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, Beyonce will never have that. She good in her lane though, for today's time. Black people always create the conflict amongst our own people. Jay Z being her husband NEVER SHOULD have put her in the position to defend her status against a GLOBAL musical icon.
Why say "black people always create the conflict amongst our own people"? ..These comparisons usually come from white media tho. We are in these conversations because we respond to it in our spaces. Non black people compare too.
Beyonce is global my friend. But still she's of a different era where entertainment is so democratized that not even MJ or even Elvis would be as huge today.
@@jakestroll6518 Beyonce has never toured and sold out shows in Eastern Europe or South America. Micheal went everywhere...her global and Michael global are not the same
@@Toya650 what are you talking about? Her tours have grossed the highest of all black artists, and she's the only black touring artist to cross a billion in gross
I hate these comparisons. For me personally, I am more moved by MJ’s performances, music, videos, etc. But also I am appreciative of the amount of work Beyoncé has put in. I won’t downplay either artist.
I would never put Beyoncé beside Michael Jackson. His live performances, music videos, and global impact is unmatched, he’s forever going to be THAT GUY. Everyone can’t sing Beyoncé’s songs like they can MJ’s because she’s not relatable to everyone, it’s not even about tearing her down, it’s just reality. She’s great on her own, although she’s not my favorite, I won’t deny her talent, ijs let’s not compare these two ever in life 😂
You said if perfectly, “it’s a generational issue/bias.” Some ppl like Beyoncé because the generation before her fought for not only black performers, but also an unapologetic black essence. Michael and Janet came in an era where he had to pander to narrow-minded white people that resist black essence. This is because blacks didn’t have money to go record shopping or purchase concert tickets. So Michael and Janet shifted from speaking about James Brown and Dorothy Dandridge and started speaking about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their interviews etc. Michael even feared to urbanize when rap was growing in recognition. But Janet bit the bullet and hired Heavy D for ♪Alright♪ in 1990 and embraced a more black/urban experience. Michael followed suits ♪Jam♪ in 1993 bringing in rap also with Heavy D. Also, Madonna broke down walls challenging narrow-minded white music goers to accept homosexuality, questioning religion especially with race as she kissed the feet of Martín de Porres Velázquez (played by Leon Robinson) in ♪Like A Prayer♪ With all that said…things has changed and blacks now have money enough to join white music goers. So acts like Beyoncé could come in more unapologetically black in rhythm and sound and garner acceptance from whites, blacks, and homosexuals music goers that was groomed by Janet, Madonna and Michael.
@@AtlCinderella80 - the lies you tell 😂 Beyoncé is Queen of the Social Media and digital age but even with that Michael was able to mush more record sales🤔 Michael has killed people who has fainted to never wake up simply because they caught a glimpse of him.
Let’s be real the argument is ridiculous you don’t ever hear Michael Jackson fans comparing him to anyone …they don’t have to. Everyone else is chasing him that’s why he’s the goat
There’s no debate about MJ vs Beyoncé Michael’s concerts were Coachella on a global scale. And do we pretend Janet Jackson never happened? Because I can not see where Beyoncé is in Janet’s league. And I love Beyoncé
The reason why Michael is so loved he respected what came before and after him, he understood the struggles black entertainers went through during the era of the 50s, 60s and 70s (musicians were getting ripped off). When he was ascending with his soul stuff, I think genuinely he had the backing of the industry especially the black musicians as they witnessin something special not seen before in previous era's.. the first black global superstar his music wouldnt be segregated (yes I know MTV) Micheal became the standard..Michaels influence has reached far and wide across the globe. So much so his performances from 90s is still talked about (superbowl) from the 80s still talked about (motown 25). People need to respect what he did as an artist and what he achieved which was a whole lot.. This is guy that went toe to toe with Paul McCartney and bought the beatles catalogue, thats Boss levels.
He not only understood but he lived the struggles too. He started performing in the 60s In black only establishments at a young age. It definitely made him move a certain way where he refused to be pigeonholed. Very significant.
This video is more so centered around the Coachella performance debate. Not a debate about the careers of Michael Jackson VS Beyonce. That would have to be a separate discussion.
You mean the coachella where there were 50 dancers on stage. Come on bro one person stands on stage and people pass out and the other has 50 dancers 😂😂
This guy Calvin just came across my TH-cam feed. Your like the nice old grandmother that tells the ugly grand child(Beyonce) that she is just as pretty and talented as her older much more talented sister/brother (Michael Jackson).
Jay knows that all publicity is good publicity...this is nothing more than our bi monthly dose of info about Bey/Jay/their family/their businesses that we didn't ask for 🙄
I think MJ gained so many new fans from the newer generation around the time of his death. If no one knew who he was beforehand they certainly knew after June 25th. The fact the internet crashed, then nothing but news reports/shows/tributes to MJ in paper and TV format for months and months. Plus the fact his funeral was fit for an Emporer or President watched by 3 billion just showed the world how big he was and he gained a lot of new fans.
You said if perfectly, “it’s a generational issue/bias.” Some ppl like Beyoncé because the generation before her fought for not only black performers, but also an unapologetic black essence. Michael and Janet came in an era where he had to pander to narrow-minded white people that resist black essence. This is because blacks didn’t have money to go record shopping or purchase concert tickets. So Michael and Janet shifted from speaking about James Brown and Dorothy Dandridge and started speaking about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their interviews etc. Michael even feared to urbanize when rap was growing in recognition. But Janet bit the bullet and hired Heavy D for ♪Alright♪ in 1990 and embraced a more black/urban experience. Michael followed suits ♪Jam♪ in 1993 bringing in rap also with Heavy D. Also, Madonna broke down walls challenging narrow-minded white music goers to accept homosexuality, questioning religion especially with race as she kissed the feet of Martín de Porres Velázquez (played by Leon Robinson) in ♪Like A Prayer♪ With all that said…things has changed and blacks now have money enough to join white music goers. So acts like Beyoncé could come in more unapologetically black in rhythm and sound and garner acceptance from whites, blacks, and homosexuals music goers that was groomed by Janet, Madonna and Michael.
@@serpentserpent9308 Michael & Janet spoke about all 4 influences throughout their careers. Michael even went to James' funeral. And I'll just keep it real: I think Bey panders based on what's hot at the time.
Michael was beyond Coachella, the WORLD 🌎 was his stage where he performed for the past, present and future generations; even in his death #Immortal #KOP
I would say this conversation is tiresome (because it is) however, the same answer will always be the same answer: Michael Jackson. Every time the MJ vs Beyoncé discourse always gains traction, people want to be revisionist and rewrite history as if the receipts are not there.
Great Analysis!! I love these deep dives that you do. This is such an interesting conversation, considering that Beyonce frequently cites Michael Jackson as her biggest inspiration, and even gave him a beautiful tribute at one of her concerts in 2009 after he transitioned. Since she is inspired by him, and incorporates elements of his style into her art, I also don't feel a need to compare. Both of them are incredible performance artists.
I wish this conversation would stop. I don't need a historical breakdown to see that Beyonce is not on Mike's level, and that's OK. When you have to fight this hard for your spot after all these years, maybe that should tell you something. I'm at the point where I now firmly feel The Carter's are behind a lot of these comparisons. I've felt it for a while, but it's becoming too blatant now. They are desperate to defend this woman's legacy. However, none of these people could stream her new single in mass so that it could make the chart. Come on.
Just like with the media’s calculated, orchestrated slander campaign against Michael, I feel this is new campaign to downgrade MJ’s LEGACY/IMPACT is INTENTIONAL. I feel several media entities, current music artists are in on it. It’s an attempt to tarnish Michael’s name/image in the minds of these new fans popping up EVERYWHERE today. He has fans at this VERY moment imitating his dance moves, fans that weren’t even alive when he died.
The comparisons need to stop. Michael Jackson is probably the greatest entertainer ever. He built the stage Beyonce performs on. Also, her musical story is still being written. As far as Coachella is concerned....if Michael wanted something of a Coachella caliber, he could have done it. I felt his Anniversary Special was pretty damn good. The highlight was the reunion with his brothers. It was bad enough when I think MTV said Thriller video was not number one of all time. I think they said Formation was now number of all time. I sure as hell do not agree with that! 🙄🙄
I have seen every Beyoncé tour since The Mrs. Carter Show including BOTH On The Run tours and the first weekend Coachella performance where I was in the front section. Beyoncé can not perform on the level of Michael. For example Beyoncé can not break out of choreography and free style dance doing whatever she feels in the moment and then hop back into the choreography without missing a damn beat. Michael did. No Michael performance was the same even on the same tour. Beyoncé is and I know because I seen them. Yeah Coachella was great but if you compare what she did on stage with just her voice and body without including anything that was going on around her (the band, back up dancers, and the like) and compare that to ANY performance of Michael’s Bad Tour and you’ll see she doesn’t even come close. Like NOT AT ALL!
Michael didn’t even need a Coachella to be great, so I don’t even know where Jay Z was going at. Michael Jackson broke down so many barriers in the music industry, SPECIFICALLY FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, so I find it crazy when I see younger black artists even opening up their mouths trying to negate aspects of his career. He played a big role in why we even see their black behinds in the media. Y’all... we can’t forget this!! Michael Jackson is the standard in the music industry - Period. That’s why people are asking, “Is Beyonce on Michael Jackson’s level”... not “Is Michael Jackson on Beyoncé’s level.” The only people even trying to compare are people on the extreme spectrum of the beyhive.
I'm a child of the 70s so clearly a stan for MJ (and the Jackson Family period) all day, every day! However, this commentary was excellent, on point, and gave me different ways to see this topic.
Thriller went Platinum for the 34th time back in August. He has songs and videos in the National Archives and the Library of Congress. His only competitor is his sister who has also broken records and holds a spot in the National Archives. Mike’s video premieres were literal world televised events on every major network. This man’s death had flags at the WH lower to half mast and made the world come to a screeching halt. When Bey does that, give us a call.
There’s no comparison dude!!! MJ has killed it in the entertainment industry!! Beyoncé style of entertainment piggybacks off Michael/Janet Jackson. They paved the way for her and it shows. Beyoncé has definitely been the greatest in the last 15 plus years but MJ is the GOAT(Greatest of all time). Period!! Why is this a debate?.
Michael Jackson is the greatest male vocalist of all time! He is a star-rated singer with the a range as low as Eb2 to his highest belt at Bb5 & his highest notes are F#6. His vocal type is Lyric Tenor (4 octaves, 1.5 notes), and his versatility and vocal control? 🤯!…. Until the day he died!
he's my favorite artist and performer in history, I think there are some male vocalists that are a little better than Michael, such as Philip Bailey of earth, wind and fire, he can hit some super high notes especially live.
@@semiribrahim8956 Nah MJ hits the highest of notes/tones also MJ Is The Greatest Vocalist Of All Time! Not Male and second is Whitney,3rd is Luther Vandross✍🏽👑✨🎯💯
I think people love and respect Beyoncé people are just tired of the PR hype. Also there was no need for Jay Z to disrespect MJ to uplift Bey. That’s what people are reacting negatively to.
Michael has the world always and forever ♥ He is regarded as one of the most significant cultural figures of the 20th century. Over a four-decade career, his contribution to the music, dance and fashion, along with his publicized personal life, made him a global figure in popular culture. Every continent knows who MJ is. Jackson influenced many artists ( including Beyonce) across many music genres; through stage and video performances, he popularized complicated dance moves such as the moonwalk, (which he thanked Jeffrey Daniels) to which he gave the name, as well as the robot. He is the most awarded music artist in history. Period 🐐
Loved the commentary… Love Bey, but Michael didn’t need Coachella, and as Great & legendary as Beyonce is she kinda needed it at that time . Like you said it was a sort of comeback after her baby-break… I doubt no other artist will be able to compete with anything like the physical albums era,,,MJ, Madonna, Janet, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, TLC, etc, etc , artist today have never sold like past artist . Let’s put Elvis out there, Beatles, Rolling Stones etc, etc, etc. I hate Jay Z even said that, because MJ’s Thriller out preforms Jay’s entire career …Michael is a once in a lifetime artist, the greatest there will ever be , let him rest with that, and Bey do her thing …I still have my VELVET ROPE TOUR ticket stub , I was very young losing my mind at that concert DC Verizon center .
Excellent critique. When you named the School of Five, damn!, I forgot how high the bar has been set. For me, Bey hasn't entered into the league of an MJ, a Tina, a Whitney, let alone, the iconic Diana Ross. Almost no-one touches Janet for dance videos and energy. Coachella was a one-off, and forty-plus years later, Off The Wall and Thriller are enshrined in legend.
@@KickinthescienceMs Ross may not have a Whitney, Aretha, Mariah singing caliber, as you stated. However, her longevity demonstrates people love Diana’s singing. In addition to her acting accolades, it puts Ms. Ross as a pioneer on several lists.
Thank you so much Calvin for doing this video because people on yt are notorious for doing this between Beyoncé and not only MJ but almost every other successful mainstream black female singer who came out in the last 20 - 30 years and that includes Kelly and Michelle. I am so glad someone finally made this video because it is ridiculous to say that because Beyoncé is considered a “great” artist, no other black female singer, (or MJ for that matter) can be considered great, she’s the only one. When that is ridiculous ofc there are many great artists from the last 40 years and you don’t have to compare them or downplay them to uplift Beyoncé. She can stand on her own just as other artists can. No one now is saying Patti Labelle is trash because Aretha is great. Nobody is saying Chaka Khan is terrible because Anita Baker is great. No one is saying forget Dionne Warwick because of Gladys Knight. We consider them all great. It should be the same today with past and current artisits.
I love Beyoncé. She ain’t no Michael Jackson. I’ve been blessed to see BOTH of them perform. Beyoncé is outstanding. Michael Jackson was out of this world. The impact he has on people cannot be compared. When MJ came to town, cities damn near shut down. Ambulances were all around the arenas because people were passing out and fainting. When he performed in Rome, more people came to see him than the damn Pope (and the Pope was a fan too). You have children in far away places in Asia, Africa and India, that don’t even have electricity or running water, BUT CAN SING AN MJ SONG ON QUEUE. MJ was an icon, a legend, a movement, and a universal language ALL IN ONE. Hell, when this man visited leaders(kings, queens, dictators) of the world, they bowed down to him!!!!
@@globalcitizenn 💯 The truth!!! Across the world, when MJ performed in lands with dictatorships and civil unrest, all of the violence literally ceased while he performed. That man could evoke world peace!!!
Palease (typo intended). Micheal Jackson is the blueprint. He broke barriers that Beyonce didn't have to. There is no comparison. She is a great performer, but she is NO Micheal.
I think everyone should watch The Beyonce Experience, live at Wynn, then Homecoming. These performances give you a pretty solid snapshot of Beyonce's evolution in vocals, musicality and performance style
Also to add, I do believe stans and stan culture in general has disallowed people to have a meaningful and approachable way of discussing MJ vs Beyoncé.
Just started watching this, so you may touch on it later in the video but I’m convinced her camp (and the camps of other alleged “second comings”) plant these MJ comparisons. Everyone seems obsessed with toppling his legacy. According to the interwebs, within this year alone, MJ’s been “surpassed” by Drake, Chris Brown, The Weeknd, and Beyoncé. I wish everyone would leave MJ alone and let their faves be great on their own merit. Also it’s extra interesting since MJ is considered an influence to all of them and yet their fans just do not respect it. You never heard anyone from MJs team comparing him to James Brown saying he’s better than him or has surpassed him and any true MJ fan would never debase James Brown!
@@musicsavedme20 if you knew the facts behind that song that was directed to her haters who’s always having some shit say and simply putting them in they place and name one time beyoncé has EVER disrespected the artist the came before her? lol
This is no comparison between the two. I don't see similarities in them at all. Beyonce is talented, a great talent, but Michael Jackson has set a bar that no artist has yet to reach. It's incredible. I wonder in the years to come will we experience that electric again by a future performer.
@@Milkers777 im glad you said "was" meaning PAST and now were are currently in the PRESENT and in the beyonce experience and time. yes he is the king of his lane and era but if you'd ask someone who grew up on james brown or elvis they are the kings to their generations. just like beyonce is the Queen of hers. its all within the generations.
This video covers all the same talking points I have with my friends about music through the years. Especially, the live performances. As a live sound engineer, people tend to forget about the technical side. Technology plays such a HUGE part in all of their success. From the way music is distributed to their live performances. This is such an excellent video.
Listen….. why is this a topic? We need to stop giving artists the idea that he or she can ever be a Jackson. Be it Michael or Janet. Beyoncé is great at what she does. That’s it! I rock with Beyoncé. She is not a Jackson. So let’s stop this conversation. Let’s enjoy Beyoncé as the current talent and let it be.
The only people who can compare to Micheal Jackson is his family his bloodline because they all actually sound similar to each other and they each have their own unique style. Jermaine and Janet and his nephew Austin share similar vocal styles. So if you must compare Michael to anyone it has to be a member of his family. They are just ridiculously talented. And when he performed with his brothers it was just pure magic seeing them all together. Beyonce is beautiful and amazing I love her music. But she still has a way to go. The Jackson family has four decades in the industry. With Michael you can pick which decade you prefer. Same with Janet. Do want actresses Janet or do you want singer dancer Janet. Beyonce only has one full decade. Whilst Michael has 4 and so does Janet. They been out before she was born that's a whole lot of time to fill up.
All I want to say is, I never hear white artists compared to the Beatles or Elvis! EVER! Protecting the Greats of your culture is the way to forward it. but some people are so easily swayed by the media bs & a shot at lazy PR in the Internet age. Anyway.. Mike is the GOAT! Treasure him. Beyoncé is a wonderful artist. Stop belittling her with this stupid comparison.
Thriller was number for 37 non consecutive weeks, and Motown 25 happened on March 25, 1983 and it aired on May 16, 1983. A few corrections but loved this video 🔥🔥
Exactly.. Beyonce “cheat” dances.. stand in place moving & shaking shoulders, flipping hair, twerking.. Janet was a beast on stage, athletic legwork, sweating buckets
MJ is my all time favorite artist. I also love Beyoncé. I’ve never once thought to compare them. I never got to see him live but I’ve seen her multiple times. They are both dope.
Sorry no comparison. Michael Jackson is in a class by himself. Originality, stage presence, talent level and so much more. Beyonce is amazing but it is not on the same level Beyonce is merge of alot of other artists. No just no.
True but they've lowkey being doing that since the late 80s. However, since she's passed people are REALLY trying it! Regardless, Whitney is in her own lane STILL.
Until I see people falling out just cause Beyonce walked on stage, Mike is still the greatest of all time. Beyonce good too, love her. But I aint seen folks hyperventilating and passing out during her shows like they did Mike. Until she has that affect on the crowd, Mike holds the crown.
@@ayyynooo3163 She basically copied Michael’s “brace yourself” introduction.. that’s the thing she copies a lot without making it her own, whereas MJ would make it his own that you wouldn’t even recognise who he was influenced by
@@globalcitizenn she’s used the same concept of it by showing her fans screaming and going crazy (like any fan does) but they are very different videos.
@@ayyynooo3163 I dont doubt it, however I didnt see that at the Formation tour or Coachella. Its been more than one concert that Mike had where ambulances were there waiting cause they knew folks were going to pass out when they saw him. He literally could walk on stage, smile and folks passed out boom hit the floor 😂. I love Yonce too, but she dont have that affect that Mike had. But that doesnt mean she not a great artist tho.
😒Ok...lets just stop the lies & Disrespect .....1st Beyonce is a Great Artist...Now lets get to Truth of "Success" according to music Billboard..older or younger artist The Greatest list has Beyonce on there but not in the Top Ten and NO WHERE NEAR MJ. Beyonce only has more Grammys than any artist ..Not more no1 singles,Albums or Concerts even Rihanna has more number 1's than Bey so how can Jay-Z even Twist his lips to say Bey is bigger than Mj ...hell Bey has to get past Rhianna first then there is Janet,Whitney,Mariah ...So Bey vs Mj is Stupid...i put Bey up there as one of the greatest...BUT NOT THE GREATEST! Once Bey can out sell Mj or Madonna,Janet or Whitney then we can go back and have this Conversation....So until then 🎶To the left to the Left
Vocally, I wouldn’t put her in the same league as Whitney, Chaka, Mariah or even Adele or Ariana. I don’t even think she’s in that category as far as vocalists.
@@EANDM71 Delusion. Beyonce sings better than Ariana Grande, who is very overrated for whatever reason, and just as well as Adele. Why do you all insist on denying her incredible vocals? Many criticisms of Beyonce are warranted, but she is clearly among the best singers.
Actually most of the comparisons are done with black artist and it gets debatable because the question arise to if the artist is better than MJ? No one writes a article on music and say that Justin Timberlake is better than Elvis Presley or what group today is up for comparisons against the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, Eagles? Madonna vs Britney Spears or Taylor Swift? It's usually not even up for discussion. In that community I truly believe it wouldn't even be up for discussion. I really feel that their are some who want to erase MJ's legacy and he keeps getting compared to artist of today and if they are better. 2 months ago it was Drake and then it was Chris Brown. I just have not heard of any other communities doing this. For me I'm sorry but MJ is in His on league. He is not the First to do a lot of things but his influence on music and entertainment globally is just unmatched for now.
You know what it doesn't happen? Because white people treat Elvis and Beatles are sacred. White artist would never cross that line. Yet black artists and in particular black people think everything is a damn competition. We seem incapable of loving our favorite artists without going to the lowest level. You can speak on Beyonce's performance at Coachella without mentioning Michael at all, but black people refuse to do that. We have to always go to the lowest denominator. And then get mad when people get up in arms. We will always protect Michael's legacy. I don't care how in-depth your discussion is. His name should not be brought up. You can State you think Coachella was the greatest performance of all time but we're going to disagree. You don't have to like do we disagree but we're going to. I don't think it's even her best concert. I think any formation tour concert was better than Coachella.
These conversations really shows how dry and stale today's entertainment world has become. If the industry wasn't so rigged, we wouldn't have to go 3, 4 generations back to compare Beyonce to an artist who's achievements reign decades before she was even born. I don't recall any discussions or comparisons over Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley and why would you when you have Prince. We didn't have to go back two decades to compare Michael to another giant. There were many extraordinaires during his day that we could compare him to. Hell, we even debated who was the better dancer Micheal or Hammer. These silly debates don't do anything but expose the lack of talent that's been plaguing the industry for the last two decades. How could she be great if she's never been compared amongst her peers. If you believe that Bey is greater than MJ, fine.....But we all know who it really is.
Thank you I was just saying the same thing back then black musicians and white musicians were actually good they all compete against each other you had Whitney Houston Aretha Franklin and Mariah Carey Celine Dion all out at the same time you had Michael Jackson Prince and many more good people the music industry now it sucks so no one to Beyonce can reign supreme she has no other good people to compete against Beyonce reminds me of Nicki Minaj they always bragging but they do have remained the only females constant for the last 10 plus years because they make sure the other females are stifled out before they get a chance to even hit the mainstream na you can't be the greatest if you're the only one on stage
I totally agree there is lack of talent in the industry because back then the industry goes in cities or neighborhood to look for real talent and now they will rather create a non talent or turn their relatives into artist. Basically the industry has been fabricating talent for profit and that is why the quality of music is not great anymore for the past 20 years.
This argument is always annoying. Ive watched Micheal Jackson bow down to James Brown and uplift Little Richard. All the above have made their indelible mark on music. Beyoncé is a continuation of that greatness. This is Beyoncé’s time and her generation. Micheal earned his legacy and he is incomparable.
I agree with everything except this is beyonces time. She isn't even the most popular artist of this Era 💀 😂 her demographic is gays and women. Especially black women. MJ had no demographic because he was so big. Hell I've seen reports of Jayz and Beyonce headlining and having to give away tickets to fill venues
It just annoys me how people can’t just appreciate black artists for all they contribute to the music industry instead trying to compare and tear down one another. Both Micheal Jackson and Beyoncé are amazing artists and should be respected. They are so different but it’s their own differences that make people love them. It’s not about who better but the fact that these two black artists are influential to many just like other black artists are.
@@shadowgoon911 But no ones debating or are actually talking about the music they’re comparing and tearing down two totally different artists instead of appreciating what they have done on their own. Why can’t we just appreciate two amazing black artists that both respected each other instead of tearing one down to uplift another?
I understand he's married to the women and it's his job to praise his wife every now an then, but let's not be delusional. Claiming that someone doesn't have a "Cochella" to their name is like literally saying I have more candy than you. Like really! It's a festival. Your comparing a festival to a MJ concert. He did that everynight plus more. The capacity, energy and magnitude at his concerts were insane. I still haven't seen anyone matched that level. I feel Beyonce gets all this praise and its not even her fault because she doesn't have any peers to compete with at her level like a Madge, Whitney Janet, Mimi, Prince and MJ did. Those were the main 6 mega pop stars at the time. Again, mega not average! As fans we were spolied by all that greatness. Beyonce work ethic and performances are inline with those 6 by the way she brings her A game like no other. So I think when ppl start to put her on a higher pedestal over legends like a MJ, they confuse accomplishments with total impact. MJ was more than a pop star on stage with a band and dancers, he was a phenomenon and perhaps still is!
Definitely didn’t click on this video thinking I was going to watch the whole thing but I’m glad I did. This was so thorough and brilliant. Thank you. I think the only piece of the conversation that was missing was the misogyny lingering in the background of these opinions. But I know that’s an entire conversation in itself. Great work though!
Beyonce music has never moved me, Beyonce has never shook an entire nation , the way Michael has. Babies today are dancing and mimicking Michael Jackson. My 5 yr old niece and nephew knows of Michael but not Beyonce!
I personally think shes super duper talented and I used to like some of her songs but yeah most of them don't do much for me tbh. Michaels music was more exciting. But I dont want to.downplay her talent cause she works hard. But since shes into certain practices now I have to back off.
I agreed with every single one of your points. Very well thought out video. There's no point in comparing them, they are their own and have each made their mark on the world. Michael is KING and Beyonce can SING! Both amazing artist and entertainers.
Calvin, I think it’s also worth mentioning that this woman (and her family) have made rude comments about Michael AND Janet in the past. Always left a bad taste in my mouth. Great vid 👍🏾
If you are an MJ fan and saw the news reports showing folk in various countries (even the ones we never heard of before) mourning him after his death, you understand why NO ONE is and will NEVER be on his level. MJ was truly loved worldwide. I even read an article of a country singer talking about his visit to a remote country. He said, “they don’t know who Elvis is. Yet, they know who Michael Jackson is”. The fact that so many artists are attempting to “dethrone him” proves how phenomenal and HUGE he was! My response will always be “miss me with that bs!”
Who are these people who say MJ couldn't sing?!!..he was the most consistent vocal artists of all time...and I don't quite agree with the video stating MJ couldn't sing after 1990...a bunch of his most famous songs came in the 90s and they are vocally amazing...yeah you can say that he shifted his attention from live singing to more dynamic and advanced dance routines...but he was still vocally amazing...
Well said. I’ve always been a Janet fan over all the names you mentioned with exception to Prince. She is slept on but her career was tanked, as we know. I, also, agree that Velvet Rope was her greatest, for me.
Thank you for this video. I love how you broke everything down. Michael is someone I grew up watching as a child. I've never seen anything like him in my life. Michael is truly a legend and no one has been able to have his success he has had in music. Beyonce is great but Michael is truly one of a kind ❤️
I so agree on the Janet thing. For far too long, I would ignore Janet because I used to see her as Michael's sister. Someday, I listened to Rhythm Nation and my whole mind was blown. I always cry at the song's end because of her poignant vocals and poignant message. This woman is stellar and it's really a pity that people are automatically willing to dismiss her talent emand effort as a full-fledged artist. I prefer her over Michael 100% because her songs is much more relatable to me.
No one. NO ONE can do it like MJ. His shows were magical. I have gone to a lot of concerts in my life. In college, that’s all we did lol But the one show that I remember with the fondest of memories and compare every show to, is MJ’s. I saw him on his Bad Tour when I was just a kid and I STILL remember that concert.
37 consecutive weeks!!!! Artists today will be #1 for a week and then fall down the charts. I hate when we act like these streaming records are comparable to pure sales. Let’s congratulate them but to act like their impact is the same as legendary acts from the past irks me.
I love hearing someone speak when they’re in THEIR bag. You are a true lover and student of music, and it’s a joy to hear you talk about it. I’m older than you and was alive for things that you weren’t, and you still know things about the music of the era that I had no idea about. I love that for us…….what a resource you are. You should teach a college class-it would be packed.
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Does Jay Z ever say anything of value? My God. MJ is the bar. Beyonce is fantastic in her era. MJ's legacy is untouchable. Period.
PREACH!!!!
He really doesn't! He just says basic shit in a faux mysterious way and people swearrr he dropped gems. Stoppp lol
I think Jay-Z gets a kick out of throwing his wife under the 🚌 🙄
@@lyndoraburroughs-robinson5663 Wow. Just terrible.
Not when it comes to his wife.
The fact that Jay-Z would even have the nerve. "Michael has no Coachella." .......AND?!?! Why would he NEED it?! Last I checked, Coachella host MULTIPLE performers. Michael did twice that audience himself MULTIPLE times!!
Thank you! You better speak the truth!
Say this again for the people in the back.
That part!
MJ also didn’t have social media and he still was the King
@@MegTelevised isn't that the truth!
Let’s just say this, without Michael Jackson, Beyoncé would have never been able to play Coachella. Appreciate those who came before you and paved the way. I appreciate Jay, but stop trying to compare Micheal and Beyoncé. There is absolutely NO comparison.
Beyoncé even said that if it weren't for Michael, she wouldn't be a performer. Her exact words at the World Music Awards in 2006.
Exactly! Plus, she has too much respect for Michael and his legacy to speak such blasphemy.
Well said. Beyonce should not be compared to Michael.
@@Doknot-tb9ey Nor any artist should be compare to MJ The King Of Music!
@@rochellenicole6658 Facts. It's always people that like to use her name to tarnish or just demean someone's legacy or talent. She herself has made it clear that she h8's that. Whenever people disrespect Michelle and Kelly, she h8's that. When Kanye disrespected Taylor to uplift Beyoncé at the vma 2009 awards she h8ed that. Like any Beyoncé fan knows this. And her husband is obviously her fan too. He should know better.
MJ never did and never have to do music festivals..the man could step outside his hotel and their would be Coachella size crowds outside waving at him
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NO comparison, Michael Jackson is the GREATEST ENTERTAINER OF ALL TIME, PERIOD! He was/is a ONCE in a Millennium talent.
YESS!! Point blank period! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
YES .....SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH FOR THE DUHHMMY'S IN THE BACK!!
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I don’t like how people try an knock down michael to uplift Beyoncé. Michael is the first of many things because of the era he was in and the same for Beyoncé. In my opinion there’s no comparison between the 2. If I’m not mistaken Thriller was first played on MTV. Back then MTV wasn’t playing black artist music or video. Michael has opened doors for this generation.
MTV never played black artists before MJ? Do you have sources for this? Because it sounds very strange to me.
@@Kelema86 That’s why I said what I said. MTV wasn’t playing black artist
@@Kelema86 Hear it from MTV themselves: th-cam.com/video/XZGiVzIr8Qg/w-d-xo.html
i know the first video on MTV period was 'Video Killed the Radio Star' but Thriller has to be the first video from a black artist. even David Bowie went on MTV criticizing them for not playing enough black artists in the beginning
@@Kelema86 MTV did play black artists before Thriller. Michael Jackson was the 1st black artist to have a video playing in heavy rotation on MTV. That video was Billie Jean.
I am an MJ fan, I am not a Beyonce fan but I do give honor to whom honor is due. Michael Jackson is THE BLUEPRINT for performance excellence! He will forever be the greatest. Now, the reason why I give Beyonce her flowers is because whenever I watch her perform, she reminds me of the days when artistes left you breathless and in awe. They performed like their lives depended on it. They left it all on the stage. This is why we thought artistes, musicians and performers were gods back in the day. Beyonce pays homage to a time past gone. I will never put her on the same level as MJ, but she is definitely a reflection of that strain of greatness!
Perfectly described, she is basically the last of a dying breed.
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i will say this, to anybody who misses the days of artists truly performing and giving their all with big dance numbers, check out k-pop. it’s still the norm to have big dance numbers and high energy onstage unlike here in america right now. i suggest bts at the mma awards in 2019 and 2020.. some of the best performances i’ve ever seen and they pay great homage to MJ!!
So well said.
Perfectly stated
They both can be celebrated, but Jay-Z compared them both when he put MJ name in his mouth measuring Beyonce against him. He doesn't need a Coachella. The man could stand on the stage statue still for 5 minutes and have people screaming and passing out like flies. His songs are timeless. You have people all over the world, of all ages that don't speak english that can sing his songs. He had people wearing leather jackets with 50 zippers in the summer time. Our mama's and daddy's had jheri curls thanks to MJ.
Exactly, Jay-Z low key likes throwing his Wife under the Bus 🚌 😂 🤣
Jay needs to hush. First he called himself the greatest rapper and now this. His ego is humungous. I'm not a fan of him or his wife anyways 🤷🏿♀️
Thriller makes it to the charts every year for the last 40 years Beyoncé doesn’t have any timeless bops or albums that even compare.
My Grandma is 85 and STILL has her jheri curl.
i don’t think JayZ meant Michael needed to perform at coachella, rather he was saying that MJ doesn’t have a performance on the same caliber as Beyoncé’s coachella performance.
It's getting disrespectful at this point.
I 100% agree with you!
Lol exactly. This man was a pioneer. Things he has done you have never SEEN before. Idk why Camel Basquiat running his mouth about this.
Michael SOLD OUT 50 Shows in ONE city within a few HOURS. Let that sink in for a minute. 50 shows in one city within a few hours. UNPRECEDENTED!! He was 50 at the time with no new album, no new project and going through one of the darkest times of his life with media manipulations and lies, fake allegations, extortion attempts, etc. Yet, this man SOLD OUT 50 shows. No OTHER ARTIST now or before have ever done that and no one ever will. Let’s be honest does ANYONE think that Beyoncé even at her peak now, could do anything like that? I’ll answer it for you, NO she couldn’t do it and nobody else in the world could do it. Not Janet, Not Adele, Not Taylor, Not Bruno, Not, Prince, Not Elvis, Not the Beatles! NO ONE. Just from looking at the rehearsal footage of This Is It, we already know Michael was going to set the world on fire, AGAIN. This is just a hypothetical question, if Michael and Beyonce were announcing concerts at the same time on the same day, whose concert do you think would sell out quicker? Whose concert would YOU attend, if you had a choice? Think about it and respond.
Very true, MJ everytime it's not even a comparison.
Absolutely But he was doing that since he was 9 That's the crazy thing about it Beyonce shouldn't be compared to him I feel bad for her sometimes
Micheal jackson. No hesitation.
@@jarrettcone8949 MJ,period. Jay-Z low key enjoys throwing his Wife under the Bus. Beyonce needs to pull his card on this one 😤 🙄 💀
@@lyndoraburroughs-robinson5663 for real...
Idk why Jay-Z keeps inviting MJ into the conversation lol.
Cause he obsessed...
Or keep inserting his wife in every damn conversation 🗣
MJ is the standard. This is what happens when you are the standard. Every great performer since Thriller dropped (i.e. Janet, Usher, Bruno, Chris Brown) is compared and likened to MJ. His fans should take it as a compliment. Not like Bey is chopped liver. Lady has sold 100 mill records, made a billion in touring and won 28 Grammys. I see her more as Tina Turner 2.0. But definitely a MJ disciple as well. That said, MJ was not God same as B. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The bullying is unnecessary from both sides. MJ legacy is forever cemented.
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He knows MJ isn't here to defend himself. And they might be using him in anther way to bring down MJ's legacy!!
You hit the nail on the head about Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Prince, and Madonna emerging and being popular in a very special encapsulated time period. Whether you liked their music or not, you knew a lot of their catalogue, music videos, what they looked like, iconic moments, and current material. Because TV and Radio were the main ways to receive entertainment between the 80s through the early 2000s people were on the same page because there was a limited amount of stations. Now people may be familiar with a celebrity but not every demographic knows their music or watches the same programming. Things are catered to a niche audience because we all can watch different content at different times due to the internet, streaming services, and so many premium cable channels.
There’s a lot less crossover appeal than before. If you say “Thriller,” “The Bodyguard,” “Rhythm Nation,” “Purple Rain,” “Like a Virgin,” etc. people will know exactly the body of work you’re talking about. If you say “The Fame Monster,” a lot of people wouldn’t know that’s a Lady Gaga album from 2009, despite it selling 15 million copies worldwide. Their haven’t been many global classic albums, songs, or even TV shows to come out of the new millennium and stand the rest of time.
Additionally, MJ, Prince, Janet, Whitney, and Madonna were all considered legends at a pretty young age. That amount of impact is not seen today. For instance, I remember growing up and Janet Jackson was considered a legendary icon by the time “The Velvet Rope” (1997) and “All for You” (2001) were released when she was only in her early 30s. That group of artists crossed generational gaps. I remember my mom saying things like, “Michael Jackson changed music videos when I was a teenager, Whitney Houston came out my senior year of high school in ‘85, Janet and I were the same age and were both 19 when Control came out.” Fast forward to 1998/99 I was now growing up with their HBO/TV concerts, Whitney’s “My Love is Your Love” album, Janet’s “Velvet Rope,”etc. The amount of time that had passed was only 12-14 years but it seemed like they had been around for an eternity because the previous generation came up with their music and now their children were growing up like their music and they were still at their commercial peaks. The general public would never consider an artist that came out in 2008 “A Legend” because it’s still seen as too soon although that was now 13-14 years ago. Back in ‘99 Janet Jackson had been making music videos for about 12-13 years (Control was 1986), but she already had a generation of new people like Britney Spears, Aaliyah, Usher, and Christina Aguilera that grew up with her music since they were 4-6 years old. They would often say how influential and legendary she was. She and her peers (Whitney, Madonna, Michael, Prince, etc.) were viewed as a very seasoned artists by that time. The influence was evident. It was a very different time. We never see younger artists running up to Katy Perry or Bruno Mars saying “they grew up with them” or that “they’re legends.” Katy Perry and Bruno Mars are still seen as “the new generation” even though it’s been 12-13 years now. Artists like a Taylor Swift and Rihanna are seen as “the young people’s music.” If you go back and look at a Whitney concert you can see people of all different ages and races. A 70 year old white man and 7 year old Black girl can both go to a Whitney Houston concert in the 90s and enjoy. Not many artists can pull in those different demographics now.
In this time now I think Beyoncé comes the closest to that era of Michael, Whitney, Mdna, Prince, Janet, etc. out of all her peers. When she entered the industry in the late 90s it was very a different business. She survived a lot of changes.
Moreover, to your point made around (57:00) about the erasure of artists, I remember growing up Michael and Janet were seen by the media as being on the same level, until the Super Bowl incident in 2004. They slowly started to erase her legacy. Before that she was getting tribute after tribute and lifetime achievement awards (I.e. The 2001 MTV Icon show). When I was growing up I remember her being considered just as much of a legend as Michael and sometimes being more accepted than him because of his allegations. They co-existed as two separate iconic entities. I never remember people comparing them by the late 90s/early 2000s. It was a cool time to be a kid and see no matter your race and gender you could achieve any level of success. I was a really little kid back then so my perspective may differ from other peoples but this was a great breakdown video!
And this was a great break down response 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@1mamakuh thank you!! Back in the day if you didn’t buy an artist’s album, once the songs left the radio or video rotation there was no way to access that particular. You wouldn’t hear that song for years to come. You had to wait for it to be played again, once it was old enough to be on the old school station, wait for a greatest hits release, or wait for a throwback video segment like “106 & Park” used to have. For instance, in 1999, when I was a very little kid, my mother was in her 30s. In 1986 she was 19 turning 20. When a Janet Jackson or Luther Vandross song from 1986 would play she would say stuff like “I haven’t heard this since I was young!” 12-13 years sounds like a short amount of time now but living back 1986 was already old school in the late 90s. Like Calvin said, it’s different when you live actually live it. Nowadays we can look up any song at anytime, so it doesn’t feel like as much time has passed. If you hear Nick Minaj “Superbass” from 11 years ago it doesn’t seem old school because you could TH-cam it anytime between 2011 and now. Back in the 90s, if you’re 33 and haven’t heard a song since you were 19 it seemed like a very long stretch of time. So much maturity can happen in those years. I also think that’s why artists from past generations careers seemed longer than today’s artist. In addition to time moving slower in the 80s and 90s, so much had changed by the late 1990s. The late 90s was dial up internet, CDs, Backstreet Boys vs. *NSYNC, Britney Spears, and TV shows like “Sex in the City”. The mid 80s was Vinyl albums, big hair, shoulder pads, dance-pop, and conservative shows like “The Cosby Show.” It was a different world (no pun intended). For an artist like Whitney Houston and Janet Jackson to survive all those changes and still be relevant was a remarkable achievement.
Additionally, in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s people had to find things to do in order to pass time, whereas now you can pass time by binge watching social media videos. Before we had to do puzzles, read books, go outside, or wait until something we liked came on TV. Just one year went by so slow. Furthermore, I remember in the late 90s and early 2000s people like Whitney Houston and Luther Vandross were considered to be the same level of legend as people like Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, and Tina Turner. For example, in 2001 BET gave the 1st lifetime achievement award to Whitney Houston (she debuted in the 80s). James Brown (debuted in the 50s) and got his lifetime achievement award in 2003. That would never happen now. Taylor Swift would never get a lifetime achievement award before Prince lol. Moreover, as kids we didn’t even realize how much later the 80s stars came after the 50s, 60s, and 70s artists because by the turn of the millennium it was all considered classic music. Prince’s “Purple Rain” (1984) was just as much of a classic record as Aretha Franklin’s “RESPECT” (1967) by the new millennium. If you grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s you understand exactly what I mean. I hope this wasn’t too long 😂😂 but I enjoy the conversation around time periods and eras.
@Anthony M. Thank you 🙌🏽 let 'em know. ✌🏽🧡
@@anthonym.5709 I am so impressed with your knowledge and I as well grow up in the late 90s/early 2000s so I completely understand what you are talking about, great explanation
@@michaelowens5493 thank you sir!
Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer of all times. Beyoncé would say the same.
Lol she has said it🤣🤣🤣
Digital Era and Non-Ditigal Era is a huge difference.
MJ could put out an iconic show with just a spotlight. Meanwhile, Bey or every modern performers heavily rely on high stage production and army of back up dancers.
Michael Jackson is one of a kind, one that comes around only once in a lifetime.
Beyonce is a self-made woman through hard work and strategy.
They are both great in their own right.
Thank you 😊 💓.
How could you possibly reduce Beyoncé to just that??? No mention of her exceptional talent and undeniable influence. Let’s not downplay her legacy. She is Michaels best creation as Jay said an evolution of him not a replacement.
Alrightttttttttttt…!
But MJ is the GOAT💯
Agreed.
Calvin knows his music history. I sure appreciate him. This happens all over the arts. I was a painter in Grad School in the 90's. I received a scholarship, I was lucky with a bit of talent. As soon as I got to campus the art professors who were male and white of course tried to get me to change my medium. Fortunately, my brother warned me about this because I was a good painter. I continued to paint my experience and ignored them and used the angst to further my skills and imagination. They finally gave up and went after some other students.
Me too.
But It Is All Off Topia.
Michael Jackson is the best entertainer to ever exist. Period.
Period ❗
I didn't want to say because Calvin made great points but we all this is true, Mike is the king! There is a part in the "This is it" doc where he was talking to his musicians. The music director was like okay Mike, when do we come? Mike said, you just have to feel it!!!! C'mon that moment alone shows how great he is!
AMEN!!!!!
PERIODT!!!!!!!
@@eLLBdotmusic he made no point but ok lol just a fanboy
I just wished more ppl remembered the Dangerous Black or White rollout era...
"The eleven-minute video for "Black or White" debuted on November 14, 1991, and was broadcast across 27 countries simultaneously. Five hundred million viewers reportedly watched it-the largest audience ever for a music video."
People forgot the " Remember The Time" & "Black Or White" videos were released on BET, MTV & FOX simultaneously
He has music videos release during prime time. I would never forget those moments
Thank you for that reminder!!! Black or White remains my favorite Michael Jackson song of all time for its technologically ground breaking video, searing lead guitar and incomparable bass line!!!!!😍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🤩💯💥
I'm coming into this agreeing that they can both be great without having to tear down each other. I'm really enjoying the music history that comes with this and I'm also glad that we get to come together over something not traumatic.
I thought the same thing. To be honest, living through both of their hype or huge periods. I’d honestly say that it’s about equal. But I think Beyoncé just got there within the past year.
Thank you. People are always comparing them. Why can’t they both be great? Why can’t they ALL be great?
They Do Not Compare.
MJ didn’t need a Coachella…
To be honest they both don’t they both sell out stadiums 🏟
@@Blazenetwork1990 who does educate me
@@taylorspastpresent1014 it should be for new artist
@@Blazenetwork1990 She didn't sell out Japan China the Middle East South Africa Is Michael Michael did it for a long period of time Some countries don't know who beyonce is I give her America But she's not as global as Mike
@@jarrettcone8949 she has not performed in Japan in over a decade since having children she has sold out them all in the past the most she do now is 50 shows no more of the 120 shows in the early part of her career this is exactly what he was talking about in the video yall trying to down one artist to uplift the next one
Michael is one of a kind!! Once in a lifetime type of performer! Beyoncé is as close as we are going to get to someone who takes their craft and the art of performance as serious as Michael did because Beyoncé admired and studied Michael and comes from an era where you had to be a TRUE performer when you graced a stage. She is in the last of that league and she is talented in her own right and just how their is only one Michael their is also only one Beyoncé and you can acknowledge that without disrespecting either of them as people.
Agreed 💯. Bey isn't there yet. Jay needs to stop low key terrorizing his Wife 🙄🤦🏽♀️
Thank you! I agree wholeheartedly! I see a lot of MJ in Beyoncé in how she is a perfectionist and takes her art and her performances so seriously. Just like MJ she is a hard worker and an excellent entertainer. MJ is the blueprint for the formula Beyoncé clearly has been inspired by him. Just like MJ was inspired by people like James Brown and Jackie Wilson that came before him!
I love how each generation brings new things and new amazing perfomers. That doesn’t mean we have to forget about the former ones and that doesn’t mean we have to shit on the new ones and say that because they were inspired by true former ones then they will never measure up or be good enough.
Facts we gotta put some respect on her name man she’s the last of that breed Bey is an 80s baby she literally was like 9 or 10 yrs old when “Dangerous” album came out
I just want to know the obsession with people saying so and so is the next MJ, why do y’all want to surpass that man so bad, nobody will and it’s time to accept that! Jay Z & the people in her camp seem insecure in her legacy standing the test of time.
Jay-Z needs to stop terrorizing his Wife. Black Twitter is going in on both of Them again over his comments 💀 😂
it's jealousy. the third worst enemy MJ had after racism and greed
@@jfacts2113 Yes, this is a word 💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@Faith Xaas It's because Michael Jackson IS and will ALWAYS be the standard!!!
@@lyndoraburroughs-robinson5663 as they should!! Stop trying to disrespect of black people who came before them who are entertainers who have to get it out the mud back when they don't have no industry backing in the music companies took all their f****** royalties and money you know. Like people fall for you to have this I would never disrespect civil rights leaders or slaves or any black person that came before me because it's because of their strength that I can stand Beyonce is not all that and a bag of chips not told people they just stop praising her like she's a God because she tends to think that she's the way she is because of her own Divine self no girl you learned and matured from from watching other black
Michael Jackson was selling out stadiums when he was like 9 She don't deserve to be in the same conversation at all And he already was a megastar Before his Biggest selling album
The comparison is ridiculous. Michael is king. Period.
Exactly 💯 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. No comparison period.
Bloop
BANG!
Isn't Thriller STILL TO THIS DAY, the best selling album of ALL TIME?? He doesn't NEED a Coachella!!
He will forever be undisputed. Let him REST!
I also wanted to mention that I like how you said so much has been done on stage that it’s hard to impress audiences now. Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston winning 8 and 11 awards in one night was shocking because it was unheard of. Madonna and Janet Jackson having 17 & 18 consecutive top 10 hits (respectively) was mind boggling. Now if Taylor Swift or Drake breaks their record the shock value has been taken out of it. If Taylor Swift gets 19 consecutive top tens it’s not exciting because its not really new to us to be on that level anymore. If Drake has more billboard entries than any other artist it doesn’t move us. The world had never seen stars as big as the Madonna, Janet, Prince, MJ, Whitney, Michael Jordan, etc. generation. Something new and innovative would really have to hit the entertainment industry in order to shock and excite people again. That era can’t be duplicated, it’d have to be something new.
I agree.
Michael Jackson HAD THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, Beyonce will never have that. She good in her lane though, for today's time. Black people always create the conflict amongst our own people. Jay Z being her husband NEVER SHOULD have put her in the position to defend her status against a GLOBAL musical icon.
I so agree with you!
Why say "black people always create the conflict amongst our own people"? ..These comparisons usually come from white media tho. We are in these conversations because we respond to it in our spaces. Non black people compare too.
Beyonce is global my friend. But still she's of a different era where entertainment is so democratized that not even MJ or even Elvis would be as huge today.
@@jakestroll6518 Beyonce has never toured and sold out shows in Eastern Europe or South America. Micheal went everywhere...her global and Michael global are not the same
@@Toya650 what are you talking about? Her tours have grossed the highest of all black artists, and she's the only black touring artist to cross a billion in gross
There will never be another person like michael jackson
They always tear down Janet when it comes to her brother. They always compare them and she is in her own lane.
Calvin you just prove, that Michael set the standard for everything entertainment. Including the Superbowl !
I am a massive fan of MJ until forever. But I have to put Beyoncé & MJ Super Bowl on equal footing. They were both phenomenal. Love them both.
@@musiclove5935 please MJ set the bar for those performances and everyone is compared after his.😂
@@doryndeanda2681 MJ did create a standard, but Beyoncé has done the same in her lifetime .They are both awesome.
@@doryndeanda2681 the fleehive is delusional 🤣🤣She literally copied his style‼
@@musiclove5935 Prince did his in the rain.
I hate these comparisons. For me personally, I am more moved by MJ’s performances, music, videos, etc. But also I am appreciative of the amount of work Beyoncé has put in. I won’t downplay either artist.
I would never put Beyoncé beside Michael Jackson. His live performances, music videos, and global impact is unmatched, he’s forever going to be THAT GUY. Everyone can’t sing Beyoncé’s songs like they can MJ’s because she’s not relatable to everyone, it’s not even about tearing her down, it’s just reality. She’s great on her own, although she’s not my favorite, I won’t deny her talent, ijs let’s not compare these two ever in life 😂
Yeah. And I realized that for the most part his music was clean and palpable for ALL audiences. And his songs were super exciting and inspiring
You said if perfectly, “it’s a generational issue/bias.” Some ppl like Beyoncé because the generation before her fought for not only black performers, but also an unapologetic black essence. Michael and Janet came in an era where he had to pander to narrow-minded white people that resist black essence. This is because blacks didn’t have money to go record shopping or purchase concert tickets. So Michael and Janet shifted from speaking about James Brown and Dorothy Dandridge and started speaking about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their interviews etc. Michael even feared to urbanize when rap was growing in recognition. But Janet bit the bullet and hired Heavy D for ♪Alright♪ in 1990 and embraced a more black/urban experience. Michael followed suits ♪Jam♪ in 1993 bringing in rap also with Heavy D. Also, Madonna broke down walls challenging narrow-minded white music goers to accept homosexuality, questioning religion especially with race as she kissed the feet of Martín de Porres Velázquez (played by Leon Robinson) in ♪Like A Prayer♪
With all that said…things has changed and blacks now have money enough to join white music goers. So acts like Beyoncé could come in more unapologetically black in rhythm and sound and garner acceptance from whites, blacks, and homosexuals music goers that was groomed by Janet, Madonna and Michael.
Beyonce surpassed Mike lol
@@AtlCinderella80 - the lies you tell 😂 Beyoncé is Queen of the Social Media and digital age but even with that Michael was able to mush more record sales🤔 Michael has killed people who has fainted to never wake up simply because they caught a glimpse of him.
@@AtlCinderella80 How???? Michael has sold WAYYYYY MORE RECORDS. He's also ORIGINAL.
Let’s be real the argument is ridiculous you don’t ever hear Michael Jackson fans comparing him to anyone …they don’t have to. Everyone else is chasing him that’s why he’s the goat
I personally wish folk would stop trying to erase what Michael Jackson did to overhype Bey.
There’s no debate about MJ vs Beyoncé
Michael’s concerts were Coachella on a global scale. And do we pretend Janet Jackson never happened? Because I can not see where Beyoncé is in Janet’s league. And I love Beyoncé
The reason why Michael is so loved he respected what came before and after him, he understood the struggles black entertainers went through during the era of the 50s, 60s and 70s (musicians were getting ripped off). When he was ascending with his soul stuff, I think genuinely he had the backing of the industry especially the black musicians as they witnessin something special not seen before in previous era's.. the first black global superstar his music wouldnt be segregated (yes I know MTV) Micheal became the standard..Michaels influence has reached far and wide across the globe. So much so his performances from 90s is still talked about (superbowl) from the 80s still talked about (motown 25). People need to respect what he did as an artist and what he achieved which was a whole lot.. This is guy that went toe to toe with Paul McCartney and bought the beatles catalogue, thats Boss levels.
He not only understood but he lived the struggles too. He started performing in the 60s In black only establishments at a young age. It definitely made him move a certain way where he refused to be pigeonholed. Very significant.
@@lacrymosa777 Michael understood the struggle? Lol I love Michael but his family is white washed
@@jjw1920 lmao what does that even mean. And how would something like that be relevant
This video is more so centered around the Coachella performance debate. Not a debate about the careers of Michael Jackson VS Beyonce. That would have to be a separate discussion.
And we'll kindly wait for it from you.
I hope you do have that discussion!
You mean the coachella where there were 50 dancers on stage. Come on bro one person stands on stage and people pass out and the other has 50 dancers 😂😂
This guy Calvin just came across my TH-cam feed. Your like the nice old grandmother that tells the ugly grand child(Beyonce) that she is just as pretty and talented as her older much more talented sister/brother (Michael Jackson).
Side note… you can always tell who watches the full video and who doesn’t. 😂😂😂
The dots just aren’t connecting for some…
Jay knows that all publicity is good publicity...this is nothing more than our bi monthly dose of info about Bey/Jay/their family/their businesses that we didn't ask for 🙄
Literally came here to say this exact same thing.
He better leave Michael fans along before it back fires, and Bey's next albums flop. As well as his next venture!
I think MJ gained so many new fans from the newer generation around the time of his death. If no one knew who he was beforehand they certainly knew after June 25th. The fact the internet crashed, then nothing but news reports/shows/tributes to MJ in paper and TV format for months and months. Plus the fact his funeral was fit for an Emporer or President watched by 3 billion just showed the world how big he was and he gained a lot of new fans.
No hate to Beyonce, because she CAN sing, but I'll forever be an MJ lover ❤
Me too
You said if perfectly, “it’s a generational issue/bias.” Some ppl like Beyoncé because the generation before her fought for not only black performers, but also an unapologetic black essence. Michael and Janet came in an era where he had to pander to narrow-minded white people that resist black essence. This is because blacks didn’t have money to go record shopping or purchase concert tickets. So Michael and Janet shifted from speaking about James Brown and Dorothy Dandridge and started speaking about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in their interviews etc. Michael even feared to urbanize when rap was growing in recognition. But Janet bit the bullet and hired Heavy D for ♪Alright♪ in 1990 and embraced a more black/urban experience. Michael followed suits ♪Jam♪ in 1993 bringing in rap also with Heavy D. Also, Madonna broke down walls challenging narrow-minded white music goers to accept homosexuality, questioning religion especially with race as she kissed the feet of Martín de Porres Velázquez (played by Leon Robinson) in ♪Like A Prayer♪
With all that said…things has changed and blacks now have money enough to join white music goers. So acts like Beyoncé could come in more unapologetically black in rhythm and sound and garner acceptance from whites, blacks, and homosexuals music goers that was groomed by Janet, Madonna and Michael.
MJ Is The Greatest Singer/Vocalist Of All Time! so yea she good but ain’t on MJ level never will be!✍🏽👑✨🎯💯
That's exactly how i feel.
@@serpentserpent9308 Michael & Janet spoke about all 4 influences throughout their careers. Michael even went to James' funeral. And I'll just keep it real: I think Bey panders based on what's hot at the time.
Michael was beyond Coachella, the WORLD 🌎 was his stage where he performed for the past, present and future generations; even in his death #Immortal #KOP
I would say this conversation is tiresome (because it is) however, the same answer will always be the same answer: Michael Jackson. Every time the MJ vs Beyoncé discourse always gains traction, people want to be revisionist and rewrite history as if the receipts are not there.
THIS 👆🏽 💯❤.
Great Analysis!! I love these deep dives that you do.
This is such an interesting conversation, considering that Beyonce frequently cites Michael Jackson as her biggest inspiration, and even gave him a beautiful tribute at one of her concerts in 2009 after he transitioned.
Since she is inspired by him, and incorporates elements of his style into her art, I also don't feel a need to compare.
Both of them are incredible performance artists.
I wish this conversation would stop. I don't need a historical breakdown to see that Beyonce is not on Mike's level, and that's OK. When you have to fight this hard for your spot after all these years, maybe that should tell you something.
I'm at the point where I now firmly feel The Carter's are behind a lot of these comparisons. I've felt it for a while, but it's becoming too blatant now. They are desperate to defend this woman's legacy. However, none of these people could stream her new single in mass so that it could make the chart. Come on.
Agreed. People are rightfully upset with Jay for even saying this but his wife definitely allows it.
Just like with the media’s calculated, orchestrated slander campaign against Michael, I feel this is new campaign to downgrade MJ’s LEGACY/IMPACT is INTENTIONAL. I feel several media entities, current music artists are in on it. It’s an attempt to tarnish Michael’s name/image in the minds of these new fans popping up EVERYWHERE today. He has fans at this VERY moment imitating his dance moves, fans that weren’t even alive when he died.
Faaaaacts
It's never-ending and it's so tiring and boring.
@@paulharding1972 exactly it’s like they do this humiliation ritual of MJ every few years.
@@chelsea9641 Exactly but it’ll never work cause MJ was truly a prophet✍🏽👑💕✨🎯💯
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The comparisons need to stop. Michael Jackson is probably the greatest entertainer ever. He built the stage Beyonce performs on. Also, her musical story is still being written. As far as Coachella is concerned....if Michael wanted something of a Coachella caliber, he could have done it. I felt his Anniversary Special was pretty damn good. The highlight was the reunion with his brothers. It was bad enough when I think MTV said Thriller video was not number one of all time. I think they said Formation was now number of all time. I sure as hell do not agree with that! 🙄🙄
Lol. Right! N imma bey stan/fellow ♍ sister. He paved the way 4 bey
@@incognitonegress3453 He sure did!
Mgml
I have seen every Beyoncé tour since The Mrs. Carter Show including BOTH On The Run tours and the first weekend Coachella performance where I was in the front section. Beyoncé can not perform on the level of Michael. For example Beyoncé can not break out of choreography and free style dance doing whatever she feels in the moment and then hop back into the choreography without missing a damn beat. Michael did. No Michael performance was the same even on the same tour. Beyoncé is and I know because I seen them. Yeah Coachella was great but if you compare what she did on stage with just her voice and body without including anything that was going on around her (the band, back up dancers, and the like) and compare that to ANY performance of Michael’s Bad Tour and you’ll see she doesn’t even come close. Like NOT AT ALL!
Mj Handcrafted the door Beyoncé is walking through. THE THRILLER EFFECT th-cam.com/play/PL5oksCrCt-RpFB82PfSWHMprH0k45KrnG.html via @TH-cam
Michael didn’t even need a Coachella to be great, so I don’t even know where Jay Z was going at. Michael Jackson broke down so many barriers in the music industry, SPECIFICALLY FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, so I find it crazy when I see younger black artists even opening up their mouths trying to negate aspects of his career. He played a big role in why we even see their black behinds in the media. Y’all... we can’t forget this!! Michael Jackson is the standard in the music industry - Period. That’s why people are asking, “Is Beyonce on Michael Jackson’s level”... not “Is Michael Jackson on Beyoncé’s level.” The only people even trying to compare are people on the extreme spectrum of the beyhive.
I'm a child of the 70s so clearly a stan for MJ (and the Jackson Family period) all day, every day! However, this commentary was excellent, on point, and gave me different ways to see this topic.
Thriller went Platinum for the 34th time back in August. He has songs and videos in the National Archives and the Library of Congress. His only competitor is his sister who has also broken records and holds a spot in the National Archives. Mike’s video premieres were literal world televised events on every major network. This man’s death had flags at the WH lower to half mast and made the world come to a screeching halt. When Bey does that, give us a call.
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There’s no comparison dude!!! MJ has killed it in the entertainment industry!!
Beyoncé style of entertainment piggybacks off Michael/Janet Jackson. They paved the way for her and it shows. Beyoncé has definitely been the greatest in the last 15 plus years but MJ is the GOAT(Greatest of all time). Period!!
Why is this a debate?.
Michael Jackson is the greatest male vocalist of all time! He is a star-rated singer with the a range as low as Eb2 to his highest belt at Bb5 & his highest notes are F#6. His vocal type is Lyric Tenor (4 octaves, 1.5 notes), and his versatility and vocal control? 🤯!…. Until the day he died!
he's my favorite artist and performer in history, I think there are some male vocalists that are a little better than Michael, such as Philip Bailey of earth, wind and fire, he can hit some super high notes especially live.
@@semiribrahim8956 Nah MJ hits the highest of notes/tones also MJ Is The Greatest Vocalist Of All Time! Not Male and second is Whitney,3rd is Luther Vandross✍🏽👑✨🎯💯
Greatest artist. Period. You don't need the qualification.
Technology has nothing to do for sometimes It's the artist Michael Jackson's just a raw different talent It will never be another one
I think people love and respect Beyoncé people are just tired of the PR hype. Also there was no need for Jay Z to disrespect MJ to uplift Bey. That’s what people are reacting negatively to.
Michael has the world always and forever ♥
He is regarded as one of the most significant cultural figures of the 20th century. Over a four-decade career, his contribution to the music, dance and fashion, along with his publicized personal life, made him a global figure in popular culture. Every continent knows who MJ is. Jackson influenced many artists ( including Beyonce) across many music genres; through stage and video performances, he popularized complicated dance moves such as the moonwalk, (which he thanked Jeffrey Daniels) to which he gave the name, as well as the robot. He is the most awarded music artist in history. Period 🐐
Loved the commentary… Love Bey, but Michael didn’t need Coachella, and as Great & legendary as Beyonce is she kinda needed it at that time . Like you said it was a sort of comeback after her baby-break… I doubt no other artist will be able to compete with anything like the physical albums era,,,MJ, Madonna, Janet, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, TLC, etc, etc , artist today have never sold like past artist . Let’s put Elvis out there, Beatles, Rolling Stones etc, etc, etc. I hate Jay Z even said that, because MJ’s Thriller out preforms Jay’s entire career …Michael is a once in a lifetime artist, the greatest there will ever be , let him rest with that, and Bey do her thing …I still have my VELVET ROPE TOUR ticket stub , I was very young losing my mind at that concert DC Verizon center .
If you were my music professor in college, I'd be in class every day.
Jay z seems to like to embarrass his wife…under the guise of‘support’ It never seemed that he TRULY likes her.
Excellent critique. When you named the School of Five, damn!, I forgot how high the bar has been set. For me, Bey hasn't entered into the league of an MJ, a Tina, a Whitney, let alone, the iconic Diana Ross. Almost no-one touches Janet for dance videos and energy. Coachella was a one-off, and forty-plus years later, Off The Wall and Thriller are enshrined in legend.
Diana Ross can't even sing that good!!
@@tracymcghee5108 She can.
@@cftvnetwork she not in that Aretha,Whitney,Mariah caliber
she doesn’t need their lanes simply bc she’s created her own bc none of them can do BOTH sing and dance at the level that she’s mastered it at.
@@KickinthescienceMs Ross may not have a Whitney, Aretha, Mariah singing caliber, as you stated. However, her longevity demonstrates people love Diana’s singing. In addition to her acting accolades, it puts Ms. Ross as a pioneer on several lists.
Thank you so much Calvin for doing this video because people on yt are notorious for doing this between Beyoncé and not only MJ but almost every other successful mainstream black female singer who came out in the last 20 - 30 years and that includes Kelly and Michelle. I am so glad someone finally made this video because it is ridiculous to say that because Beyoncé is considered a “great” artist, no other black female singer, (or MJ for that matter) can be considered great, she’s the only one. When that is ridiculous ofc there are many great artists from the last 40 years and you don’t have to compare them or downplay them to uplift Beyoncé. She can stand on her own just as other artists can. No one now is saying Patti Labelle is trash because Aretha is great. Nobody is saying Chaka Khan is terrible because Anita Baker is great. No one is saying forget Dionne Warwick because of Gladys Knight. We consider them all great. It should be the same today with past and current artisits.
All of this!!!
I love Beyoncé. She ain’t no Michael Jackson.
I’ve been blessed to see BOTH of them perform.
Beyoncé is outstanding.
Michael Jackson was out of this world.
The impact he has on people cannot be compared.
When MJ came to town, cities damn near shut down. Ambulances were all around the arenas because people were passing out and fainting.
When he performed in Rome, more people came to see him than the damn Pope (and the Pope was a fan too).
You have children in far away places in Asia, Africa and India, that don’t even have electricity or running water, BUT CAN SING AN MJ SONG ON QUEUE.
MJ was an icon, a legend, a movement, and a universal language ALL IN ONE.
Hell, when this man visited leaders(kings, queens, dictators) of the world, they bowed down to him!!!!
MJ was the closest we came to having one world leader
@@globalcitizenn 💯
The truth!!! Across the world, when MJ performed in lands with dictatorships and civil unrest, all of the violence literally ceased while he performed.
That man could evoke world peace!!!
Palease (typo intended). Micheal Jackson is the blueprint. He broke barriers that Beyonce didn't have to. There is no comparison. She is a great performer, but she is NO Micheal.
I think everyone should watch The Beyonce Experience, live at Wynn, then Homecoming. These performances give you a pretty solid snapshot of Beyonce's evolution in vocals, musicality and performance style
We’ve seen them…and she still ain’t no mj.
Also to add, I do believe stans and stan culture in general has disallowed people to have a meaningful and approachable way of discussing MJ vs Beyoncé.
Just started watching this, so you may touch on it later in the video but I’m convinced her camp (and the camps of other alleged “second comings”) plant these MJ comparisons. Everyone seems obsessed with toppling his legacy. According to the interwebs, within this year alone, MJ’s been “surpassed” by Drake, Chris Brown, The Weeknd, and Beyoncé. I wish everyone would leave MJ alone and let their faves be great on their own merit. Also it’s extra interesting since MJ is considered an influence to all of them and yet their fans just do not respect it. You never heard anyone from MJs team comparing him to James Brown saying he’s better than him or has surpassed him and any true MJ fan would never debase James Brown!
Agreed 💯. You never heard it because MJ wasn't a demon.
@@lyndoraburroughs-robinson5663 and he actually respected the artists that came before him. But not miss “bow down bitches” lol.
@@musicsavedme20 RIGHT 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤
@@musicsavedme20 if you knew the facts behind that song that was directed to her haters who’s always having some shit say and simply putting them in they place and name one time beyoncé has EVER disrespected the artist the came before her? lol
This is no comparison between the two. I don't see similarities in them at all. Beyonce is talented, a great talent, but Michael Jackson has set a bar that no artist has yet to reach. It's incredible. I wonder in the years to come will we experience that electric again by a future performer.
I have your answer it’s....NO!
@@Milkers777 unless you’re God himself you don’t know what the future holds
@@ayyynooo3163 God’s Gift To The World Was The MJ Experience Trust Me The Future Is Our Present And MJ Will Forever Be The King PERIOD!
@@Milkers777 im glad you said "was" meaning PAST and now were are currently in the PRESENT and in the beyonce experience and time. yes he is the king of his lane and era but if you'd ask someone who grew up on james brown or elvis they are the kings to their generations. just like beyonce is the Queen of hers. its all within the generations.
Mj is the standard bearer. THE THRILLER EFFECT th-cam.com/play/PL5oksCrCt-RpFB82PfSWHMprH0k45KrnG.html via @TH-cam
This video covers all the same talking points I have with my friends about music through the years. Especially, the live performances. As a live sound engineer, people tend to forget about the technical side. Technology plays such a HUGE part in all of their success. From the way music is distributed to their live performances. This is such an excellent video.
Listen….. why is this a topic? We need to stop giving artists the idea that he or she can ever be a Jackson. Be it Michael or Janet. Beyoncé is great at what she does. That’s it! I rock with Beyoncé. She is not a Jackson. So let’s stop this conversation. Let’s enjoy Beyoncé as the current talent and let it be.
Exactly because the Jackson family as a whole is talented and is the only family till this day to hold that title first family of music.
The only people who can compare to Micheal Jackson is his family his bloodline because they all actually sound similar to each other and they each have their own unique style. Jermaine and Janet and his nephew Austin share similar vocal styles. So if you must compare Michael to anyone it has to be a member of his family. They are just ridiculously talented. And when he performed with his brothers it was just pure magic seeing them all together. Beyonce is beautiful and amazing I love her music. But she still has a way to go. The Jackson family has four decades in the industry. With Michael you can pick which decade you prefer. Same with Janet. Do want actresses Janet or do you want singer dancer Janet. Beyonce only has one full decade. Whilst Michael has 4 and so does Janet. They been out before she was born that's a whole lot of time to fill up.
Can we just give a shout-out to Janet Jackson for a hot minute?
All I want to say is, I never hear white artists compared to the Beatles or Elvis! EVER! Protecting the Greats of your culture is the way to forward it. but some people are so easily swayed by the media bs & a shot at lazy PR in the Internet age. Anyway..
Mike is the GOAT! Treasure him.
Beyoncé is a wonderful artist. Stop belittling her with this stupid comparison.
Thriller was number for 37 non consecutive weeks, and Motown 25 happened on March 25, 1983 and it aired on May 16, 1983. A few corrections but loved this video 🔥🔥
Beyonce hasn't surpass Janet in my eyes. How can she jump to Michael. Just ludicrous.
Exactly.. Beyonce “cheat” dances.. stand in place moving & shaking shoulders, flipping hair, twerking.. Janet was a beast on stage, athletic legwork, sweating buckets
Beyoncé beats Janet in singing
Michael Jackson doesn't need a Coachella 🙄🤦🏽♀️
I think MJ is unmatched man
He is!!
MJ is my all time favorite artist. I also love Beyoncé. I’ve never once thought to compare them. I never got to see him live but I’ve seen her multiple times. They are both dope.
I love how nuanced and knowledgeable you are but as you alluded to, Michael Jackson is always the STANDARD. Enough said.
There should never be a comparison. After Michael Jackson is Janet Jackson. Female performers didn’t change the game like Janet Jackson. Period!
I never understood comparing an artist that WRITES music from top to bottom vs an artist that barely writes lyrics.. they're not the same.
Michael is recognized globally. I doubt same can be said of any artist.
Sorry no comparison. Michael Jackson is in a class by himself. Originality, stage presence, talent level and so much more. Beyonce is amazing but it is not on the same level Beyonce is merge of alot of other artists. No just no.
all artists are merges of different artists and you’re right bc she’s on her own lane and level especially as of today.
They do the same with Whitney…. They are still looking for the next Whitney….
Yup, but they’ll never find a ‘new’ Whitney. And I feel bad for the artist who are compared to Whitney, I feel like they’re setting them up.
True but they've lowkey being doing that since the late 80s. However, since she's passed people are REALLY trying it! Regardless, Whitney is in her own lane STILL.
Never gonna happen. This generation sucks tbh. These artists have no soul and cant sing like gospel artists. They're all ,"talk-singers".
Ain’t no next.
Micheal Jackson didn’t shove himself down our throats. No contest. Beyoncé is no Micheal Jackson.
Until I see people falling out just cause Beyonce walked on stage, Mike is still the greatest of all time. Beyonce good too, love her. But I aint seen folks hyperventilating and passing out during her shows like they did Mike. Until she has that affect on the crowd, Mike holds the crown.
watch her i am tour and you’ll see it
@@ayyynooo3163 She basically copied Michael’s “brace yourself” introduction.. that’s the thing she copies a lot without making it her own, whereas MJ would make it his own that you wouldn’t even recognise who he was influenced by
@@globalcitizenn she’s used the same concept of it by showing her fans screaming and going crazy (like any fan does) but they are very different videos.
@@ayyynooo3163 True but MJ had thousands of people fainting during the Bad World Tour
@@ayyynooo3163 I dont doubt it, however I didnt see that at the Formation tour or Coachella. Its been more than one concert that Mike had where ambulances were there waiting cause they knew folks were going to pass out when they saw him. He literally could walk on stage, smile and folks passed out boom hit the floor 😂. I love Yonce too, but she dont have that affect that Mike had. But that doesnt mean she not a great artist tho.
😒Ok...lets just stop the lies & Disrespect .....1st Beyonce is a Great Artist...Now lets get to Truth of "Success" according to music Billboard..older or younger artist The Greatest list has Beyonce on there but not in the Top Ten and NO WHERE NEAR MJ.
Beyonce only has more Grammys than any artist ..Not more no1 singles,Albums or Concerts even Rihanna has more number 1's than Bey so how can Jay-Z even Twist his lips to say Bey is bigger than Mj ...hell Bey has to get past Rhianna first then there is Janet,Whitney,Mariah ...So Bey vs Mj is Stupid...i put Bey up there as one of the greatest...BUT NOT THE GREATEST! Once Bey can out sell Mj or Madonna,Janet or Whitney then we can go back and have this Conversation....So until then 🎶To the left to the Left
Vocally, I wouldn’t put her in the same league as Whitney, Chaka, Mariah or even Adele or Ariana. I don’t even think she’s in that category as far as vocalists.
@@EANDM71 Delusion. Beyonce sings better than Ariana Grande, who is very overrated for whatever reason, and just as well as Adele. Why do you all insist on denying her incredible vocals? Many criticisms of Beyonce are warranted, but she is clearly among the best singers.
Thank you for adding Janet Jackson to your list of all time greats.
Actually most of the comparisons are done with black artist and it gets debatable because the question arise to if the artist is better than MJ? No one writes a article on music and say that Justin Timberlake is better than Elvis Presley or what group today is up for comparisons against the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, Eagles? Madonna vs Britney Spears or Taylor Swift? It's usually not even up for discussion. In that community I truly believe it wouldn't even be up for discussion. I really feel that their are some who want to erase MJ's legacy and he keeps getting compared to artist of today and if they are better. 2 months ago it was Drake and then it was Chris Brown. I just have not heard of any other communities doing this. For me I'm sorry but MJ is in His on league. He is not the First to do a lot of things but his influence on music and entertainment globally is just unmatched for now.
You know what it doesn't happen? Because white people treat Elvis and Beatles are sacred. White artist would never cross that line. Yet black artists and in particular black people think everything is a damn competition. We seem incapable of loving our favorite artists without going to the lowest level. You can speak on Beyonce's performance at Coachella without mentioning Michael at all, but black people refuse to do that. We have to always go to the lowest denominator. And then get mad when people get up in arms. We will always protect Michael's legacy. I don't care how in-depth your discussion is. His name should not be brought up. You can State you think Coachella was the greatest performance of all time but we're going to disagree. You don't have to like do we disagree but we're going to. I don't think it's even her best concert. I think any formation tour concert was better than Coachella.
These conversations really shows how dry and stale today's entertainment world has become. If the industry wasn't so rigged, we wouldn't have to go 3, 4 generations back to compare Beyonce to an artist who's achievements reign decades before she was even born. I don't recall any discussions or comparisons over Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley and why would you when you have Prince. We didn't have to go back two decades to compare Michael to another giant. There were many extraordinaires during his day that we could compare him to. Hell, we even debated who was the better dancer Micheal or Hammer. These silly debates don't do anything but expose the lack of talent that's been plaguing the industry for the last two decades. How could she be great if she's never been compared amongst her peers. If you believe that Bey is greater than MJ, fine.....But we all know who it really is.
Thank you I was just saying the same thing back then black musicians and white musicians were actually good they all compete against each other you had Whitney Houston Aretha Franklin and Mariah Carey Celine Dion all out at the same time you had Michael Jackson Prince and many more good people the music industry now it sucks so no one to Beyonce can reign supreme she has no other good people to compete against Beyonce reminds me of Nicki Minaj they always bragging but they do have remained the only females constant for the last 10 plus years because they make sure the other females are stifled out before they get a chance to even hit the mainstream na you can't be the greatest if you're the only one on stage
I totally agree there is lack of talent in the industry because back then the industry goes in cities or neighborhood to look for real talent and now they will rather create a non talent or turn their relatives into artist. Basically the industry has been fabricating talent for profit and that is why the quality of music is not great anymore for the past 20 years.
This argument is always annoying. Ive watched Micheal Jackson bow down to James Brown and uplift Little Richard. All the above have made their indelible mark on music. Beyoncé is a continuation of that greatness. This is Beyoncé’s time and her generation. Micheal earned his legacy and he is incomparable.
I ❤ this comment because this is how its supposed to be
I agree with everything except this is beyonces time. She isn't even the most popular artist of this Era 💀 😂 her demographic is gays and women. Especially black women. MJ had no demographic because he was so big. Hell I've seen reports of Jayz and Beyonce headlining and having to give away tickets to fill venues
It just annoys me how people can’t just appreciate black artists for all they contribute to the music industry instead trying to compare and tear down one another. Both Micheal Jackson and Beyoncé are amazing artists and should be respected. They are so different but it’s their own differences that make people love them. It’s not about who better but the fact that these two black artists are influential to many just like other black artists are.
@@shadowgoon911 But no ones debating or are actually talking about the music they’re comparing and tearing down two totally different artists instead of appreciating what they have done on their own. Why can’t we just appreciate two amazing black artists that both respected each other instead of tearing one down to uplift another?
This might be the most logical, well laid-out take I’ve seen on this whole topic.
I understand he's married to the women and it's his job to praise his wife every now an then, but let's not be delusional. Claiming that someone doesn't have a "Cochella" to their name is like literally saying I have more candy than you. Like really! It's a festival. Your comparing a festival to a MJ concert. He did that everynight plus more. The capacity, energy and magnitude at his concerts were insane. I still haven't seen anyone matched that level. I feel Beyonce gets all this praise and its not even her fault because she doesn't have any peers to compete with at her level like a Madge, Whitney Janet, Mimi, Prince and MJ did. Those were the main 6 mega pop stars at the time. Again, mega not average! As fans we were spolied by all that greatness. Beyonce work ethic and performances are inline with those 6 by the way she brings her A game like no other. So I think when ppl start to put her on a higher pedestal over legends like a MJ, they confuse accomplishments with total impact. MJ was more than a pop star on stage with a band and dancers, he was a phenomenon and perhaps still is!
Definitely didn’t click on this video thinking I was going to watch the whole thing but I’m glad I did. This was so thorough and brilliant. Thank you. I think the only piece of the conversation that was missing was the misogyny lingering in the background of these opinions. But I know that’s an entire conversation in itself. Great work though!
Beyonce music has never moved me, Beyonce has never shook an entire nation , the way Michael has. Babies today are dancing and mimicking Michael Jackson. My 5 yr old niece and nephew knows of Michael but not Beyonce!
Thank you 😊. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Beyonce isn't Janet Jackson either 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Michael's music is legendary and will go on for decades. Beyonce's music is of the moment. Both great entertainers. Michael is one of a kind.
I personally think shes super duper talented and I used to like some of her songs but yeah most of them don't do much for me tbh. Michaels music was more exciting. But I dont want to.downplay her talent cause she works hard. But since shes into certain practices now I have to back off.
@@Lordpraisethe I've heard those rumors about her practicing , do you think it's true?
@@akapam57 I used to think that too. That her music is of the moment. Then "Single Ladies' comes on... lol
I agreed with every single one of your points. Very well thought out video. There's no point in comparing them, they are their own and have each made their mark on the world. Michael is KING and Beyonce can SING! Both amazing artist and entertainers.
Calvin, I think it’s also worth mentioning that this woman (and her family) have made rude comments about Michael AND Janet in the past. Always left a bad taste in my mouth. Great vid 👍🏾
If you are an MJ fan and saw the news reports showing folk in various countries (even the ones we never heard of before) mourning him after his death, you understand why NO ONE is and will NEVER be on his level. MJ was truly loved worldwide. I even read an article of a country singer talking about his visit to a remote country. He said, “they don’t know who Elvis is. Yet, they know who Michael Jackson is”. The fact that so many artists are attempting to “dethrone him” proves how phenomenal and HUGE he was! My response will always be “miss me with that bs!”
Who are these people who say MJ couldn't sing?!!..he was the most consistent vocal artists of all time...and I don't quite agree with the video stating MJ couldn't sing after 1990...a bunch of his most famous songs came in the 90s and they are vocally amazing...yeah you can say that he shifted his attention from live singing to more dynamic and advanced dance routines...but he was still vocally amazing...
Well said. I’ve always been a Janet fan over all the names you mentioned with exception to Prince. She is slept on but her career was tanked, as we know. I, also, agree that Velvet Rope was her greatest, for me.
Thank you for this video. I love how you broke everything down. Michael is someone I grew up watching as a child. I've never seen anything like him in my life. Michael is truly a legend and no one has been able to have his success he has had in music. Beyonce is great but Michael is truly one of a kind ❤️
I so agree on the Janet thing. For far too long, I would ignore Janet because I used to see her as Michael's sister. Someday, I listened to Rhythm Nation and my whole mind was blown. I always cry at the song's end because of her poignant vocals and poignant message. This woman is stellar and it's really a pity that people are automatically willing to dismiss her talent emand effort as a full-fledged artist. I prefer her over Michael 100% because her songs is much more relatable to me.
Janet Jackson is a standalone ICON
No one. NO ONE can do it like MJ.
His shows were magical. I have gone to a lot of concerts in my life. In college, that’s all we did lol
But the one show that I remember with the fondest of memories and compare every show to, is MJ’s.
I saw him on his Bad Tour when I was just a kid and I STILL remember that concert.
37 consecutive weeks!!!! Artists today will be #1 for a week and then fall down the charts. I hate when we act like these streaming records are comparable to pure sales. Let’s congratulate them but to act like their impact is the same as legendary acts from the past irks me.
I love hearing someone speak when they’re in THEIR bag. You are a true lover and student of music, and it’s a joy to hear you talk about it. I’m older than you and was alive for things that you weren’t, and you still know things about the music of the era that I had no idea about. I love that for us…….what a resource you are. You should teach a college class-it would be packed.