Why Bay Area Buggs And Jeff Favignano Left DOJ
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- Today we finally solve the mystery of what really happened between Bay Area Buggs, Polecat324 and Jeff Favignano. We uncover the truth of the falling out between them and why Buggs & Jeff left DOJ.
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The fact Bay Area bugs took a break at 800k subs and came back to 1.5M subs just proves how much people loved his content.
bugga is a true OG
Is this the same bugs running with PSI while dayz RP was popular?
Buggs was the one who started quality gta rp which polecat tried to do but failed by being so serious the whole time and forcing people to rp. Buggs way of rp is just natural and whatever goes.
Agreed
@@awildyoutuberappeared9325 I agree, PC always had an "I win!" mentality. Every other episode back then had him doing questionable or totally failed rp, then bitching at other people's rp if it caused him to loose somehow.
Buggs, on the other hand, plays to make great content, and often leads to the other guy "winning". There are so many instances of Buggs getting away from the cops, but doubling back to get 'caught' saying, "we've gotta give them a win", or something. I just love his play style and the content it creates.
During the DOJ days with Buggs, Jeff and Polecat, to me it always felt like Jeff and Polecat weren't friends, it felt like the only reason both of them were there at the same time is because they were both friends with Buggs.
Because they weren't jeff said he never really had a friendship with him
I like Polecat better in the early days when he was playing with the group in GTA online
This kind of comment always makes me laugh because it has been addressed by Jeff. He had no problem with Polecat.
@@danielwalker26 What people say on a public platform to try to avoid drama usually isn't the truth. Jeff can't stand Polecat.
Jeff has stated many times being very polite each time that him and select members of DOJ do not get along. He usually cites failRP and forceRP, which I saw many times watching videos myself.
I don't blame him for leaving, as time went on you could see the drain it had on him. Near the end of Jeff's DOJ stint, it appeared to me that he wasn't having fun anymore. I don't blame him, I watched a lot of videos and it was even stressing me out just watching some of the treatment that was going on by certain members.
Now that Jeff has moved on with OCRP he seems much happier. Videos are funny and low stress, there really is only one difference...
I had a buddy in DOJ, just a low ranking member but he always compared it to having a stressful job over playing a game with friends. It wasn't just polcat either, several other higher ranking members seemed like they were on power trips. I was around during a game once and it was more like watching someone direct a play over roleplaying a dynamic scenario to have fun. There was a lot of control.
I just miss Dave. Hope he’s doing well. “Sir, please remain calm.” Is pretty much what I tell myself every morning.
Hes fine he's busy doing a game and working on stuff for ocrp
He's very busy behind the scenes with OCRP. Amazingly, as involved as he is, he's so clueless when he's playing. But we still love him
@@TanDawg58 but you know Jeff took over most of OCRP from Dave because he was busy doing other things
@@robbietothedobbie912
I was not aware. Thanks for the info
@@TanDawg58 no problem. Dave had too much stuff to do with his own game and stuff so he handed the reigns to jeff
I remember dropping what I was doing to watch the videos when they would drop. When they "disbanded" and buggs fell off the earth I was honestly upset. It was my daily routine and would honestly relieve stress. I didn't continue watching DOJ on polecats channel because Buggs I thought made it more entertaining. I'm just glad he's back with OCRP and back to making great content. But parts of me still miss the good Ole days
Same. Although I do watch a Polecat vid from time to time. I have noticed that he seems to be calmer in recent months. Maybe relinquishing his leader role relieved some stress? IDK. At the rate he cranks out videos, I wonder if, back when "the split" happened, he was suffering from burnout, but refused to take a break. Regardless, things change. It was a fun, entertaining run, but nothing lasts forever.
Exact same dawg
I don't watch either of them anymore I just don't like how ocrp is set up the videos are very weird and polecat kinda got boring
@@joevk6274 polecat is done now tho with the grooming/ sexual allegations
I remember getting home from school every day refreshing his page for a new video. Old days were hit different.
FivePD and OCRP are 100 times better. Buggs, Zach, Jeff, Ryan, Dave make the best and most consistent content period. I haven't watched a DOJ/Polecat video since they left
Same! I always watched from buggs perspective anyway. OCRP is the new DOJ of today. I’m 21 now been watching since day one
I tried to watch polecat after the break, but I can’t really watch it. I also don’t like how he treats the person he plays with now. It might be fake but he does it waaay too much and it makes me feel weird.
@@ampstudios4169 you know he is a pedophile right… there is a ton of evidence look it up
@@ampstudios4169 Between that and Polecat going after young girls, he became unwatchable.
I didn't hear about the minor allegegations until now, but I just wanted to say I watched every Buggs video and some Jeff videos, and occasionaly I would watch Polecat videos but literally only the DOJ videos where he played the character "Officer Fontane" because I thought they were really funny.
It’s insane how much of this history I was here for, but his group are the only guys I’ve consistently watched since watching TH-cam in 2012
Buggs' is literally the only youtuber I watched from like 2013/2014 to now. Its crazy.
@@grantlang1187 xb360 gta online videos can't be topped
@@Kumar-bg6nr gta rp thats actually fun to watch cant be topped*
I used to miss them all playing together, but now I'd take Buggs, Jeff, and Ryan over the original trio anyday.
Idk I feel like the Buggs and Ryan duo isn't it. I feel like they try too hard. When watching their videos It sounds like Buggs just isn't happy...
As per Jeff I really never watched him after he left DOJ, I try but I'm not entertained.
Yeah I think Buggs and PC were the best combination. All their best doj videos were them two playing at the same time. Buggs and Jeff were a close second though.
Yep I love Ryan Jeff and buggs now. Used to love polecat
Don't forget Zach
Buggs and Ryan are infinitely funnier and much more light hearted. Buggs always seemed afraid to speak and seemed much more serious with PC. The new gang is and always will be better.
Code Zero was like "The Beatles" of GTA 5 rping and when the split happen, everyone was just perplexed and shocked so this is why so many people and fans are intrigued by this. Thank you for clearing this up.
It was also very random but at the sametime vague, which made it weird (at least to me). Like obviously things were going on BTS but no one, even the people that left and had small channels never really address what the issue was. Everyone used vague terminology and said move on and we were left to fill in the blanks. Odd
no problem
@@SlickDisaster26 which small channels are you referring to?
@@graxx478 Firekitten, Adam (which he mentioned), I think Rich made a video years ago. They are probably others that left and made videos over the years most of it saying something like "The reason I left was because of the people up top" or "I didn't like the rules/policies at place". No one ever said who or went into detail, but reading between the lines it seemed Polecat was the factor in their departure.
@@SlickDisaster26 thought you were referring to the olddd code zero members
I honestly do miss when Buggs and Polecat played together. Those two along with Jeff made some of the best RP videos when times were good in the DOJ. I’m just happy that Jeff and Buggs have found a new place in OCRP, they really seem to genuinely be having fun with it. They’ve said they play on a relaxed server and as a result they have a lot more fun and that translates into better content.
Especially with Ryan. It seems like the chemistry is even better now
@@TJanzen 100% it’s just hard to match some of the greatest doj videos but I really hope to see some of those ideas again in OCRP
@@awsomegamer8277 I agree. PCs temper was very entertaining when he played together with buggs. But I was mostly watching them because of buggs. And based in the fanbase it looks like alot of people simply like buggs the most.
@@TJanzen well bugs just has a bigger channels and pulls more views so that makes sense but I think the reason everyone watched was because of the buggs polecat duo but when they split everyone had to choose sides and bugs came out on top as he had more dedicated fans but either way polecat and buggs where an unmatched duo at the time it’s just sad it ended the way it did
They did but I'm sorry Jeff CivRyan and Buggs make even better RP videos than Buggs and Polecat you can tell that buggs was kinda like ehh to say and do some of the rp he did with polecat like he wanted to question him and say hey it's all in good fun it's a damn video game but was afraid to cause of how he was
I first started watching Polecat, and then I became a big fan of Jeff by way of his videos. They were a big part of what I watched coming out of college and as an adult, and seeing what they created, especially seeing Jeff’s life change from working at an airport to doing what made him happy ultimately helped lead me to starting my own TH-cam channel that I’ve become proud of. While I eventually just grew to stop watching Polecat around the time all this was going down, I still kept watching and supporting Jeff’s content. I also knew he was a big NASCAR fan, and my content is catered to NASCAR fans. So when I saw Jeff had actually subscribed to my channel, I became very happy that one of my favorites of TH-cam I watched before becoming a creator had also grown to enjoy my own content too. We now follow each other on Twitter, and I’ve even had Jeff on my channel for a NASCAR weekly live show, and I even once helped contribute an idea to the FivePD series (the traveling car salesman), and while I can’t say I know the others of their group as well as Jeff, I ultimately am forever thankful to that time of watching that whole group, even with Polecat because they were very influential on me becoming a TH-camr.
I love that for you!
I loved DOJ as much as the next guys. But if I’m being honest. I feel like OCRP & FivePD fill that hole quite well. I love when Ryan & bugs are together doing something stupid, and you have Jeff there with someone’s like officer bracelets (Jacque) there to interact. I find that awesome. I find myself now hoping to different pov more just to see how things play out. I have been really enjoying the new group. PC & bugs were amazing but I enjoy watching the new videos with new people
Jacque is the new Martin
@@matthewnoaks4759 Yeah he really is. lol Man, they used to terrorize that guy. When he would show up on scene I knew it would be chaos and a lot of sighing.
OCRP fills that whole x10 imo.
I loved when they were hiding in the trunk
No, Ryan was cool as a side-character but he tries too hard in videos making them unwatchable.
There’s just something so comforting about Buggs, I enjoyed DOJ but I really think his new content is really shining. Him and the boys in OCRP server 1 and 2 create some amazing content and the ongoing jokes are hilarious. I love it. I’m glad they’re having their time to shine and I’ll continue to support them wherever they decide to go
He took a big brake from youtube and what ever he did really cleared his head and improved him
@@ecotic9715 agreed
Buggs seems so genuine. So glad I discovered him years ago
This is honestly how I feel. Buggs just seems like such a solid dude and the whole crew just kills it these days. I for sure got into it more once PC was gone tho. Never got good vibes from him tbh
Buggs is actually a really cool dude. Plenty of times he will pop into the smaller OCRP content creators streams or vids and just hang out. He's the most easy person to talk to on the entire server and thats saying something.
Its mind blowing that some people thought Alex did something wrong for Buggs to take a TH-cam break lol, dude is like the nicest soul 💯
I’ve always loved buggs content. Despite his short (or long depending on you) departure from TH-cam I found him to be the rock of the DOJ, code zero, and OCRP community. His ability to make enjoyable content despite being faced with negative “press” or allegations is something I respect about him and which has made me a fan for life.
Buggs isn't the one with the allegations or negative press on him. Wym?
yeah bruh wdym
I guess my wording was kinda off but ever since the breakup he constantly got asked what happened and people still ask yet he just continues to make enjoyable content without dredging up the past
@@Mutilise He got backlash when he slept with Jeff's wife Nicole a few years agi
I miss Officer Martin... Idk what ever happened to him, I'd assume he just got tired of roleplaying and grew out of it to move on with life.
But he was the BEST DOJ member that wasn't playing with Buggs and Polecat a lot.
The "Messing with Martin" episode is still one of my favorites lmao
I think Martin goes by bigboyplays now
I think he moved to arp
His TH-cam channel is Big Boy Plays
I read somewhere that he got kicked because he was in more than 1 rp server
@@SK4ZAmusic no not true nigga
These guys were amazing back in 2016 - 2018. R.I.P.
nah buggs and the new crew are so much better rn
@@jck1794Fr ryan is amazing with Jeff n Buggs
For real these were great videos but the new stuff with Civ Ryan, Jeff, Buggs, Damnit Dave, and Zach Housenekt are simply amazing. They have a tendency to just go off the rails with FivePD which can be annoying but they did an OCRP server 2 and the content is just gold. Especially check out anything with Ryan and his character Kraig, the trivia clowns, or the one episode where buggs is ryans nephew and goes to work with ryan as Jim Lehey...absolute gold and worth the watch.
@@jck1794 Take away Ryan and it’s amazing crew imo
@@dontworryaboutit7162 yeah his voice and over the top enthusiasm is a little too much to beat sometimes...but when things get funny boy do they get funny!!! I do miss 404 though... Wonder what happened to Dave 🤔🤔🤔
I'm happy with the move. I loved FivePD when it was running, and I understand when Jeff said it had it's time, I felt it was getting stale myself, and I'm really enjoying the OCRP server 2 community. The way CivRyan and Buggs just troll Jeff, Jacques, and the others is awesome and fun, and sometimes all 3 just troll everyone. For anyone yet to discover OCRP, there are basically 2 servers, AFAIK. Server 1, which Jeff live streams mainly, is where everyone RPs straight and is somewhat 'realistic', whereas server 2 the police are more or less straight, and the civs can get away with a little more silliness, and it's where CivRyan and Buggs really shine IMO.
I tried watching Jeff When he first started OCRP but found it stale and boring too much like real life. Always prefered the more relaxed chatotic nature that DOJ felt like it had. Even down to Buggs refusing to disguise his voice as Samatha. So glad when I decided to check them out recently to discover that they now had a server where some of that could be brought in.
FivePD really filled a void from DOJ, but it still felt like something was missing. Maybe it was the community and the variety of streamers and styles at OCRP. I'm really glad they are doing more OCRP stuff. However, there are some episodes of DOJ I don't think will ever be topped.
@@kurthorton2385 fivePD always ended exactly the same though. A traffic stop, A chase, a firefight then explosions.
@@TheTexan83 Oh I'm sure people got tired of the format, I just liked seeing Buggs, Jeff, Zack, Ryan, Dave, and Alex playing together.
@@TheTexan83 Yeah, and a 3 year old could still use the same paint but he won't sketch the Mona Lisa.
Code Zero wasn’t formed when Buggs and Jeff joined DOJ.
Code Zero was formed LONG before polecat joined the picture. Code Zero was the OG group consisting of Buggs, Jeff, Yotelex, Alex, and Avsgirl.
Code Zero was formed LONG ago. Back in the early days of LSPDFR.
There's no loveloss here with the absence of Polecat. He was so volatile and it was often uncomfortable to watch the content he was in. At the very least, he was too much of a hothead. The rest of the guys are so much more level-headed and chill.
Agreed. While his short fuse did make for some entertaining moments, most of the time, it was just excessive. It seemed like whenever he had a scenario planned out in his head, and it didn't play out like he wanted, he'd lose his mind. The rest of the guys always rolled with it. If their plan didn't work, they just went with it. I still watch PC's vids from time to time, but I mostly just watch Jeff, Buggs, and the rest of "The Boys". Sure, the craziness has toned down considerably since their days in DOJ ended, but for me, it's always been more the stuff they say that's entertaining than what they do.
@@joevk6274 Agreed. Although, I must say, I have quite enjoyed the OCRP roleplaying as of late.
@@RyanWithAviators oh definitely. It's actually better than the FivePD vids. By the end, I could tell everyone was tiring of the repetitive traffic-stop-turned-pursuit format. OCRP doesn't have to follow that format, and adds in other people to interact with.
@@joevk6274 His short fuse on video was nothing compared to how he acted off video, I was in DOJ for a week, at least once a day he would go into the patrol channel and immediately start a screaming match with someone.
Someone who thinks the way I do!!! Polecat seemed to drag the RP down when he'd get pissed over something minor. I actually quit watching after he'd go on cussing rants over minor things not going how he wanted. Yes, the other guys would get frustrated, but would stay in RP through it. Polecat would lose his mind! Seriously, I think he has major anger issues and needs meds!
I was a "red admin" back in DoJRP in 2016 & 2017 and was the Sheriff Commander(3C-3) before leaving. It's crazy re-watching AdamStain's experience with the highest ranking SGT at the time (lol, everyone had an issue with him). Once I got to the higher privileged roles it really became a "job" - If you want to experience the RP scene, go with OCRP...
Once you got the higher ranks, PC would just pull you into a channel and start "ordering" you do clear the patrol room so he could set up a recorded or live session, which meant all probationary and PO1/ST1/SD1's were pulled from the server and myself and other higher ups had to do. The sad "show me 10-7 - 42s" lol
Unless he is paying you and give you employee benefits, that is just stupid.
@@ShadowMoon878 for real if it's not for the money it's for a 2-10 minute clip in one of their vids
I remember a live stream Jeff was doing where they kicked the probationary officers out and he said how he hated that it always happens
I was senior staff in the communications department around that time that you were there and I remember you. Yeah I can 100% tell you that that was a literal second job. Plus having kids who were extremely power-hungry who enjoyed staffing people and being in charge and having power over people. it was a weird dynamic. What’s equally crazy is there are still people on polecat side who want to remain in his community. Even with him leaving they still go back and participate. I want nothing to do with that community ever again.
@@Chargers19 hopefully good memories of me LOL - power hungry is an understatement for some of these folks haha
Buggs and Polecat were absolutely hilarious together 😭 lol 🤣
I've moved on as most of the OG DOJ players are now in OCRP and Buggs and Ryan have become a class duo. The final nail in DOJ coffin has to be the recent departure last week of Mayhem Mercenary, Mackergaming and Jalen to Pro Gamer Network. Believe me when I tell you PC's 'God Complex' was only a part of the problem. His disturbing relationships with young male Roleplayers was the biggest red flag. There is still a blog up with PC and one of these young males driving in a car and you can find it if you look enough..
Im sorry that last part .. whaaaat ??
Oh, Mayhem was carrying DOJ/Polecat, but I think they'll all do great at PGN
@@kiddfromla Yep. It's why PC has left TH-cam and DOJ, and hell even Spoonbill deleted his channels. What was in the dark has been - extensively - brought to the light.
@@DoughboyPathyUSA pgn is just as toxic and controlling
@@Foxdidnothingwrong I'm sure, but Mayhem will still be a good addition, until he leaves there too.
im happy that ryan is now replaced pc as i think hes much nicer and much funnier
Also nice he's not a Chomo
Ryan is fricking hilarious, i love him. He seems like just a straight up nice dude.
Honestly I used to watch and enjoy DOJ, but I personally always thought PC didn't quite fit into the group. It's just personal preference of course, but I found him to be too stuck-up and rude, as well as the one ruining RP yet simultaneously complaining the most about failRP. I personally wouldn't get along well with him at all, so for me DOJ videos tasted great until PC had a little outburst, which then made it taste sour for a moment. I didn't really have anything against him, he just wasn't the type of person I vibe with at all.
So for me, I really missed DOJ initially, but OCRP filled the gap completely, very quickly after it first started. I'm very happy Buggs returned as well. Ryan's great, both as a personality and in RP, but episodes with him for me tend to get a little too silly. I like things to be a bit more 'legit' if you will. I have nothing against his RP though, I just mean that from a personal viewing perspective, I tend to prefer a video with Jeff and Buggs from an RP perspective than Buggs and Ryan, even though they're all great in their own way.
As a brief aside, I don't like the crazy FivePD RP at all, it's not my thing. I mean I'm a 'server 1' guy, so that speaks for itself :)
@@HazewinDog yeah pc always had bad vibes and was very rude to people i think the ocrp stuff is much better then the doj stuff was
@@SosaGaming27 ?
It was pretty obvious that there was a major problem before everyone started to drop out like flies. What really annoyed me though (even though I understand why they did it) was everyone acting like nothing was wrong and it was all good.
Yeah irritates me too. Call people out for their bullshit.
The fact of reality is, people will always want to find out exactly what happened to fill the growing curiosity in their minds. I was invested in this story as much as the next girl, but they moved on obviously and as eager as the fans are to know, we just have to accept and move on too.
i agree. theres also the fact that PC hasnt uploaded in about a week. these allegations just resurfaced, maybe something serious got brought to light. anyway my point is: what we dont know wont kill us. we should just let it go and move on like u said. DOJ will always have its fanbase and OCRP will always have their fanbase.
@Bree V - check out "Reacting to "Why Bay Area Buggs And Jeff Favignano Left DOJ"" by Jeff on his channel. He goes into why he left. Pretty much boils down, in Jeff's words, to PC dictating what people could put in the videos in their own channels, being mean to others on the server, abusing his power and generally causing others to just no longer want to make content with him.
In the past I've been super nice to friends only for them to throw me under the bus for no reason. This could be played out the same way here. One person in a group of friends that everyone deals with but doesn't like and when they have the chance to toss them aside, they do it.
I've been watching Buggs since 2016 to this day. My favorite series was FivePD, especially the endings.
You should check out the Gta online LSPDFR series on buggs's channel,.
I'll forgive the typo, but thank's for the shoutout lol.
LMAO appreciate you man
I was in DOJ for 1,5 years, "served" in the SAHP. DOJ was very professional in the comms channels on Teamspeak and even my application took 1,5 hours because they took it like a real application (it was legit on the edge of fun vs too real)
I had a good time mostly, however near the end I saw a lot of people leave just before I left too. PC had outbursts on multiple people, if officers didn't behave, they would get chewed out, he even did it on stream once and stopped the RP to reprimand 2 dudes like it's an actual fucking job. I'm like Jeff, I like things legit but still fun, sometimes they went too overboard on the real part. If Buggs, PC etc. Were streaming you weren't allowed in the comms channel unless I believe a certain rank, hours or reputation that you needed to have.
I played DOJ everyday.. Ranked 1300 hours in the end but I was done. Civilians had too much power, admins were strict, roleplay was basically the same old every day and overall wasn't fun anymore .
I've watched Buggs and Jeff since the GTA 4 days and they still make me laugh, I guess they were just getting too fed up with PC's behaviour.. Buggs said in a video that he wanted to focus on other things than DOJ and he and PC seperated as friends, but not sure if that's true or not.. In the end Buggs moved away from Cali and moved around the corner from Jeff so for those 2 it all worked out
I’ve been watching these guys since Liberty City days. Man, everyone just seemed like a tight knit group of guys. Unfortunately things ended up poorly between everyone and we’re thankful for the regular FivePD & OCRP crew
FivePD sucked.
"Totally legit". A line that you could not escape on Bay Are Buggs channel.
As someone who was In DOJ at this time, yeh there was a lot of internal problems going on leading to this and a mass exoduses of members, i do miss the days of dispatching for the videos
Ugh I miss buggs and polecat but I only watch buggs and Jeff now. I’m just happy Buggs is posting regularly again, we love Buggs
I Remember watching a stream or video by Jeff where he stated” polecat and I spent many hours in discord together off camera, we never clicked and never become good friends. That’s just how it is sometimes”. Those aren’t the exact wordings but it’s very similar to that.
I still watch them all, and have since the beginning. Jeff, Buggs, and Polecat are the longest channels I've followed since the early days of TH-cam.
I was in the server at 9:55 and remember it clearly. We had 2 police helis in the air at that time; you can hear and see 1 of the helis at 10:44.
Link to the video?
This video broke my soul. I always wondered what happened to DOJ and where Buggs went (until I saw his explanatory video). They were the best trio. As far as the "DOJ not allowing others in multiple servers" goes, it's become a common rule to avoid what's known as "backstage recruiting". So I can understand that. But it's a shame the power went to PCs head bc these three really made my life more interesting back in 2017 when I discovered them. I haven't even checked out any of the OCRP videos yet bc I fear it won't be anything close to the fun stuff they did in DOJ (and not just bc PC isn't with em anymore, info I didn't know about until now) and that it'll end up killing my love for Buggs n Jeff. If I had a PC, I would have loved to join their FiveM servers before they split apart. But for now, I'll probably check out the OCRP videos. RIP Code Zero
All of this drama has broke mine too bro, its awful i watched all there videos religously and to find this out and to read that document genuinly knocked me sick. i would recommend ocrp its like doj without all the toxicity
It’s crazy to see how people can change when they have power. Sad. I loved this group before this drama. Unfortunate. 😢
Power doesn't change you, just enlarge your personality.
@@worldofgreenhell I would say in a way power does change you. It depends on the person.
@@ComradeInspector It includes the personality, power breaks down barriers.
@@worldofgreenhell It can, but that’s not the main thing that power does. It controls people, it corrupts them and changes them into a different person, not for the better.
The real OGs remember the SAPDFR series. That was good shit.
True I miss it so much
All these years later and the drama is still going strong, I see.
Someone could have said this in comments but Mayhem mercenary is I think the second to last TH-camr to do doj content since the beginning and he left last week. Glad he made it this far
Jeff isn't the type of a person who doesn't talk. And he does, slightly
he certainly doesn't like to stay quiet when his friends are being harassed (and rightfully so)
These guys are how I met my Bestfriend, I started role playing after watching some buggs and met a kid a couple years older, 6 years later and he’s like a brother to me
i just want these three to do it again man honestly the videos were perfect
Man this is such a sad turn of events. I was watching DOJ nonstop in 2017 era. I could probably quote the episodes by now. Wishing the best for the DOJ staff.
Thanks for the clear video. Subbed
Check out Jeff's Channel. He reviews and responds to this video and says exactly why most people left DOJ.
@@Bipolar_Weasel ty! I'll go check out his video
Honestly I think it was the allegations is why they cut ties with him
Yeah that's what i'm thinking
Yeah and the new stuff that came out about him too
buggs stopped following polecat a day after the allegations
What evidence was there to the allegations
DOJ was peak buggs content
i was in NorthernAlex's twitch one day and he said that him(polecat) and jeff and buggs just had different content ideas and where the community should go and that there was no hard feelings at the time but polecat never really made an attempt to keep in contact even after them texting him occasionally. That is how alex responded directly to my question
I remember watching one of Jeffs live streams, i think it was when they announced OCRP, and he talked about why they left. he basically said he hated the way polecat ran the server, that it was super PoliceRP oriented yet it was extremely hard to rank up and it felt like he was having to actually work instead of just playing a game for fun. he also kind of brushed over that there might have been other things if i remember correctly as well.
Where's the link to that livestream?
Truthfully I absolutely loved them all together and I still rewatch them now but after they all split up I've tried to watch Polecat's videos and livestreams. If you've seen his livestreams you can clearly see there is a completely different personality to him. Even with his new content you can see that there's definitely something off
How differnt does he act is it like a entire different personality
@@megablaze2599 Not really but me personally feel like he is missing something. He no longer gets the views he got back then. It is sad to see him like this and empty he sounds from now and then. He just sounds saddened and defeated even.
@@RealGrognak This tends to happen when you burn people who are responsible for your success. He deserves it.
@@BourbonInhibitions I guess he does but I still feel bad for him, he just seems like he is empty inside when he records.
@@BourbonInhibitions Polecat as the founder of DOJ. I wouldn't say the other members were responsible for his success. He was pulling way more views before them.
I'm thinking that Buggs, Jeff and the gang left not only because of the control thing, but because of Polecats extremely inappropriate behavior.
I miss the old early vids with them all. I did recently check out some of pc's newer stuff and honestly its night and day between now and then, just watching how he interacts and even rps now there is a full on attitude from him so im really not shocked why people wouldnt want to stick around back then and even now. its a shame because i loved watching their old content.
I doubt everyone jumped ship on PC because of his temper. It was 100% because the dude grooms under-aged males in the DoJ community and those close to him wanted nothing to do with someone like that.
I have been watching Buggs since I was like 17 or 18, and in the time he played with PC, I was just never a fan of him. Buggs seemed so much more chill and just wanted to have fun. And PC just seemed so bitter and pissy all the time. And he definitely wasn't fun to watch when he played by himself. But I'm happy that the boys found a better place to play. The content they make today in OCRP is a lot of fun to watch. And they all get along so well. And literally, nobody is ever in a bad mood. I hope they keep making this content for a long time. Cause I really do enjoy it.
As much as I miss them playing together, you could see this coming as the videos went on. This is the first explanation video I've watched because I was always pretty sure it was this problem. Like honestly, the examples he shows are just the tip of an iceberg
Im actually surprised how quickly this video got views. Just shows how many unanswered questions fans have.
anytime i saw anyone rp with pcat it was so annoying seeing him always forcing everyone to do exactly what he wanted.
I always wondered if it was just the whole "him being controlling of his community" that made the falling out happen, but seeing all this new evidence surfacing up recently about him really is adding to a big question we've all had...
I've replied under a few comments already but I remember there being rumors / allegations of PC inviting a young fan / viewer to his house and what not before the disband and whenever someone mentions PC to jeff he replies with the puking emoji. There's also other stuff too that you can find in other comments.
They didn't have any knowledge of the allegations when they left. Civ Ryan recently replied to a tweet stating that.
@@grantlang1187 I feel like I remember it being his nephew who was interested in cars, but that was years ago and who knows
@@wesleykoewing8596 Polecat did claim for awhile that Braxton was his cousin and his favoritism, but we definitely know that isn't true.
Southland Ashley knew 100%
Whats crazy is Jeff give off Polecat vibes now. He seems to have taken the lead roal in there new server and it shows.
It is rumored polecat had some legal issues involving younger peoples and bay and Jeff didn’t want to be apart
So Jeff had actually made a video when he was playing ATS and he did stated that he never really cared for PC from thr beginning. This was when BAB was gone for a while. I'm sure someone remembers which one I'm referring to.
Yes, I remember watching that video.
How long ago was this?
@@Jeff-bd5yo I want to say around 2017 or 2018.
@@engitions Alright
I have just had a look at the document. I was surprised at how easy it was to come across simply by searching 'Polecat324 Document' and I have to say, that document is very well put together. The document includes proof from both victims, statements from all important resignations, and additional information useful to understanding the situation. As someone who has personally dealt with being groomed, I can say that what I just read about infuriates me and the way that community handled it was atrocious. I have watched BAB, JF, PC, and ZH since BAB had 1k, PC had 3k, JF had 4.3 k, and hz since nearly the beginning. That group of people and code zero gaming having literally saved my life countless times, just to see them split up, bab drop off the earth and zack doing so too was upsetting. The FivePD boys have replaced CZG more than I ever thought they could, and tbh its better. I hope criminal charges are pressed on polecat.
i cant seem to find this document, could you give the url as id like to read it myself as its a rather serious allegation i wont take your word for it.
@@ChuffIed docs.google.com/document/d/1ZPhk9YYqqDrTdeWvMqvDwfrwijCRjwqyNEotBUGZ9jc/edit?usp=sharing
PC looks like he's had a sit down with Chris Hansen before.
Life goes on and we still have ALL of the old videos to enjoy I haven't watched it in forever but I might go back for the old times feel
Long ago they eluded to the fact that Polecat was too much of a dictator. He got power crazy and everyone bailed including Firekitten and CivRyan. PC had certain "rules" you had to abide by that sucked the fun out of it for everyone. Also when a RP didn't go the way he wanted he would completely change the rules mid-stream (literally in the middle of a recording stream) to fit himself. Everyone get sick of it and got away from DOJ
really well put together video!
I've been watching Buggs since January of 2014, I remember because it was later that month he posted his "returning to LCPD:FR" video and I was ecstatic. I was there for the videos where he talked about how Polecat was a fan who ran a community and was being brought into CodeZero. I was rewatching some old content and realised how different Polecat was in those videos to almost all the DoJ videos, in the GTA 5 DoJ videos he was never very good at RP and often played the power card, far more than I realised watching them originally. The consensus I got from DoJ members videos and comments was he was quite power oriented (as you said), I picked up on this on a live stream he did years ago with Buggs and how he blow up and lost his crap on a member for stopping him on the sandy airfield, breaking all aspects of RP. I lost a lot of respect for him after that. I’m not saying he’s bad, just that when rewatching videos he looks bad. Those videos got me through crappy times, and I've laughed so much over the years watching them, still do from time to time. It's a shame RP is taken so unbelievably seriously, at the end of the day it's a game, it's supposed to be fun and engaging. These are just my views though :)
I once was watching Polecat streaming back in 2019 [Update: 2020] I think (Winter/Christmas time) when he was still with WhatMuppet (Also left DOJ) and saw the power-tripping live, he was on Route 15 escaping the cops (cant remember the cause at the moment), he got on a ramp leading to either a road or another highway (im not really sure, I know it he was going in the direction of GHWY [Great Ocean HighWay/Paleto Bay] ) He crashed Head-On because of a Unit going up that ramp. He just few seconds after, began to ramble that somebody's going to get kicked but later on when was "slewing"/Flying (OOC) away towards the city he said they're only going to get a warning. You could tell the atmosphere was tense, so tense you could cut it with a knife. He later on ended the stream. I also remember the music that was playing in the background before he ended stream it was this one right here: th-cam.com/video/HdOCXC8ZwAw/w-d-xo.html Good and bad memories. It was a fine mix back then. But now after all these new allegations (and evidence) that appeared I no longer see him the way I used to. Its pretty said if im beaing honest. But thats all I remember, it was loong time after-all..
They really dont age. I watch the re runs of DOJ sometimes. But re watch JF and Buggs OCRP & 5PD all the time...its literal gold
Honestly, the DOJ videos Buggs and Polecat did never really clicked with me, always found that Polecat was kinda annoying. I'm glad they have been doing stuff with Zack, Ryan and Dave lately. The content they make now feels more natural and I enjoy more the RP they make in the OCPR2 server.
I remember reading something about the allegations about one or two years ago on reddit, but seeing as now there's more evidence that just cement my opinion about Polecat and I'm glad the others left long ago so they wont be asociated with him.
I just heard that the main dev for doj left and requested all of his vehicles to be taken. Also talked with someone who was in doj and he said he quite because of all the rules and potential for disciplinary action that could happen.
He did lmao and he shut down server X too polecat resigned as director. The cops play so shitty on the server. You get pulled over for nothing and then told to identify or get arrested and there's nothing u can do because the court system is shit and no one actually cared about it. They didn't allow gang rp because of "too much violence". They also never added shit to the server compared to ocrp it's like cuba watching the united states
This gave me a whole new reason why I unsubscribe from polecat. I feel like this whole thing is Polecat's fault because the way he's behaving. If he had behaved in a different way, Polecat will still be recording with Jeff and buggs
Wow I was wondering why the videos from Polecat just completely stopped within the past week or so without any warning. If these allegations are true it sickens me and whatever happens to him because of it will be justified. Also thanks for answering the questions about what happened between the guys, I had always wondered why those videos stopped as well and never had time to look into it. But like you said thankfully we have all of the past videos which for me there are hundreds I haven't seen yet because I had just discovered the guys only a few months before everything blew up.
3:39 Polecat is the king of FailRP, almost every video I watch hes doing stuff like driving through backyards and doing the most unlegit shit, doesnt even cut it out of the video either i should add
Ongggg
As a former dojrp member, I have talked to buggs a few times and met since we were close when he lived in LA. He was still friends with polecat but polecat did not like jeff taking dojrp serious and wanting to boss people around. Polecat then accused jeff to wanting to take over dojrp which wasn't true. Then after buggs moved to Florida, polecat called him a backstabber for joining ocrp. They squashed beef with eachother and stayed friends but were no longer as close as they were before. Up until the accusations came out, buggs has removed polecat from every social media.
I remember an ATS video Jeff put out a few years back when all this was going on. He stated how he never saw eye to eye with Polecat but it wasn’t the ONLY reason he left DOJ. He also said Buggs had just dropped of the radar.
They didn't want to be associated with a guy asking minors for CP, and paying them for it.
Honestly OCRP is way better. Especially with the server 2 stuff.
Around the time they broke up Jeff’s wife was getting into some RP. From what Fire kitten and others have said I also could see PC being a bit sexist and wanting more of a boys club. That would make Jeff’s reactions to PC make a bit more sense that he was standing up for his wife. But that like all of this is just speculation.
Bring back Lisa spaghetti 🤣
Buggs also slept with Nicole
@@Ardor01What?
I'm 43, this was literally my favorite show on TH-cam. I'm mad about it too.
That is not what I expected them to look like lol
I was a part of DOJ back in the GTAIV days, and one of my friends claimed being sexually harassed by PC, keep in mind we were all maybe around 15 and PC was a lot older. He always just gave me bad vibes, but I still did watch all the videos since I was a longtime fan of codezero, Buggs, Jeff, Alex, Zach, missing some people, but really were my favorite channels.
I didn't realize you would touch on that topic in this video, my friend never tried to expose him so he must've done it to multiple people. Such a shame
Those were the good days! I wondered what really happened and also where the rest of the Code 0 and the rest of the DOJ, Martin, Fire Kitten, Degan, etc... I still watch DOJ once in awhile but seems Pole Cat is too controlling and will not change!
fire kitten has her own rp server now she announced it when she left doj years ago.
She does more "scenario/story" type rp than just scenario.
Yes, I do watch her channel as well. I just wondered if she would ever return or make a cameo appearance... Thanks!
@@RealWorldAviationandGaming9392 I doubt it, she seems to have different goals than what doj offers.
Also he had allegations of being a pedophile and just recently evidence came out that he is a pedophile and now he left doj and hasn’t talked about the pedo case at all
i actually liked martin a lot. i think he left because of the management problems
This kinda takes me back to the Avs and mike situation, (which till this day idk the reasons) but to me Jeff and buggs are those guys that don’t wanna get into the drama or bad situations with someone so they separate from said people and let them go. Polecat is a perfect example of said situation, it’s sad but the way polecat acted back in LCPDFR cocky and snobby when he was first introduced to how he evolved and acted even more so in LSPDFR and DOJ it was obvious polecat was gonna be a problem.
Always loved Jeff, Buggs, Zach, & Alex the original group I feel in love with and now the addition of Dave and Ryan. Been my group to watch since I was in middle school and they still are putting out bangers. Positive vibes only now with this group 💙
Civ Ryan recently replied to a tweet saying the reason they left was not because of any aligations. He said they didn't have any knowledge of the allegations when they left.
Well put out video! I've always been a fan of Polecat but lost interest when buggs and jeff left. I applied for DOJ a while ago and included everything I had, but was declined because I wasn''t a good fit when in fact I have more roleplay experience then most people. I even included the fact I was in the military. Its so sad and frustrating to see Polecat do all these terrible things... I've been waiting for a video like this for a while and finally I found a good one. I eventually applied for PGN and got in but due to the time I couldn't dedicate due to military service I decided I wouldn't continue. There are too many problems with DOJ and Polecat himself. Remember Polecat and Buggs old roommate Tommy? He got arrested and did similar things like polecat did, they are going down the same route. I've spoken to tommy, I know exactly what happen. God what is this turning too. I appreciate the hours and time you spent making this video, big relief. I miss the old days, I miss the good Polecat
Tommy... can you recall any episodes he was in, or did he have his own channel or at least a handle we could look up?
@@TheButterZone some of the very older episodes. Tommy was roommates with Buggs and Polecat
People are way too concerned with other peoples lives
Yet, here you are.
@John Obama!
So, the video held a gun to you head and made you watch and/or comment about it?
@John Obama!
If you say so.
I started watching at the fallout of the group I started watching polecat first then buggs now in 2022 I'm still watching buggs jeff newer group members of them and polecat I miss the chaos buggs and polecat would cause but recently it seems like civryan and buggs are that kind of chaos so it kinda brings it back
Honestly, I started watching Bay Area Buggs, PC, Jeff and CivRyan maybe a few years before this happened, and honestly I'm pretty upset, not angry but more like confused. But like John said in the video about the community.
In the end of it all people will eventually move on and take their on path. This stuff happens and it's nothing new. I'm just happy they have something they like to do and share in their own way.
And I totally feel the same way when it comes to realism vrs realism but a ton more strict, it feels depressive and boring not only that but it feels like someone is controlling you and you can't act on your own, in the end it's just a game to me.
I'll keep on watching them since I love their content and commitment to their craft 🥰
Thanks for reading and Happy Holiday's (Halloween) 😘
I've notice pc on his live streams going after his fans for pointing out some of the obvious things he does and other stuff and I saw him do this in multiple occasions which made me stop watching them I guess I watched them to late but when they stopped I got upset and wonder what happend I even forget about Adam and bkrich
I was in DOJ for a number of years and a lot of these claims are very true. I wont go into it all here but it was wild to be around when all of this was going down.
Lol, I was waiting for the day polecat finally resigned haha
Polecat even broke character when they were pretending to be cows but honestly he broke character is almost all his videos
seems legit
Are those old videos really that good? I never watched them but I'm really digging the stuff Ryan, Jeff and Buggs have been doing on OCRP2
Yeah they are good...I still go back an watch them all from time to time
They were good but majority were hard to bare because of polecat. His controlling and narcissistic behavior was too much sometimes. Buggs was definitely the highlight of the videos
@@GlobalTossPot Buggs is still the highlight of the OCRP videos. But, that’s this guys opinion.
The old videos are amazing and there’s so many of them. Kliffon
I talked to Ryan and he said Polecat got way too bossy and was kicking friends off the server for stupid things that he's even done himself. There's a lot more, but that's the gist of it.
Given the recent news of polecat, it seems like they got out for good reason.
Anyway OCRP is better because Jeff allows creative role plays like boatboy Antia and Larry Barry and many to count OCRP feels like friendship forming and making smaller TH-camrs grow faster. It really got me thinking what happened if I join? How I make things worth watching? It unique way of making videos and contant like OCRP server 2 civs are aloud to bend the rules to extend. Server 1 is very strict no one is allowed to bend the rules. Of course both server yo can't say the rword.
I can assure you, long held friendships can end over something as petty as video games. Seen it, done it, had it happen to me. It's a wonder we've managed to come so far as a species when we can be so incredibly petty sometimes.
Neither Jeff nor Buggs were ever particularly close with Polecat. They played a game together that was about the extent of it.
What ever caused the breakdown in the relationship between Polecat and Jeff I don’t believe it was the allegations that became public about Polecat later.
As you said bugs was still liking his videos and polecat was still in his recommended channels until well after he came back in 2021.
We we never really know what happened because they aren’t talking about it and that’s their right.
Jeff and polecat never had a friendship
Buggs and Jeff have always been the unbreakable duo, and now they have Ryan? Man that's a mega-power right there