Tom Wright - Imagining Eternal Life
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- Almost all religions offer some kind of life or awareness after physical death. Speculations of what such life after death might be like-the form it might take, how we might feel, what we might do-are deemed beyond our capacity to know. Yet anyway we feel compelled to speculate.
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When I was younger I used to think eternal life would be great, but now that I am older I realise that if this happened that I'd die of boredom.
Lmao really??? Dude I could spend multiple eternities entertained over thinking a single subject.
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You think that now 🤣😂🤣😂
@@davidbrisbane7206 haha yeah the older I get the stronger I feel about that.
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After you've married your 10 millionth super model, even that will become tiresome 🤣😂🤣😂
@@davidbrisbane7206"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
In terms of supermodels, isn't that more along the lines of fleshly, carnal desires.
I am not a religious person, but I do like that there are different perspectives on this channel, which by the way, is one of my favorites
I'm certain you take many things on faith for which there is no empirical evidence...?
@@les2997 I do not… as Carl Sagan said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
@@bradleygt1070 This claim itself is extraordinary. What kind of evidence you are looking for?
@@les2997technically I’m not looking for any evidence, but the fact is that if I was, no credible evidence has been put forth.
@HelloThere Spot on. Thousands of man made gods.
I got the distinct vibe that the interviewer desperately wanted to believe him, but, frankly, didn't believe a word of it.
You must be new here lol
Welcome if you just got here.lol
I don't think he wants to believe it. Science tunnel vision.
Ten minutes of this conversation is just not enough! I'm a Christian, yet the concept of eternal life is... terrifying. This conversation gets the closest to addressing my fears. I got a little sense of peace from his perspective and interpretation, but I want more.
I understand the feeling, after 1 trillion years what am I gonna be doing. And I think there can only be one answer. With an infinite and eternal God that loves us, how does an eternally expanding mind sound? What if every day in heaven you were more than the previous day, forever.
Do you plan your current day assuming that you will be alive the next? How would an eternal life be experienced any different other than having the knowledge of its existence?
@@raphaelrodriguez1856 I thiiiink I'm following you...
So, you're saying eternal life wouldn't feel much different than what it feels now? Just that it never ends?
It's just that life now is so dynamic. You learn, grow, mature and evolve with the passage of time. The value of family seems most fully realized when it's time to leave. The value of other things seems most fully realized when you experience the sense that nothing lasts forever.
It seems the fabric of my mortal life is made of material that simply won't exist in my eternal one. It must be an entirely different state of mind, let alone a physical one. And man, I have a hard time sleeping in a different house. It's terrifying to imagine adjusting to an entirely new set of rules that bear little to no resemblance to what I experienced in my mortal life. But I suppose with eternity on my side, I could get used to it.
The physics of Heaven are quite different according to biblical stories. First no space or time limitations. I like to think it will be like the best experience you have ever had multiplied by infinity.
"We are just a shadow of our future self, and there is a real ultimate you that God will give as a gift to you" I really like that.
Tom Wright is a wonderful man and I wish you would have him back on the program.
Do who’s reality is it?
I see myself as a young adult; my parents older; my grandparents very old...
...but my grandparents wants to see themselves as young and me as a baby...
So are Everyone the same age; etc???
Exactly! One of my many questions... Or what about humans who died as babies? People who were born/afflicted with disease, mutations, or disability? People who struggle with the psychological strain of gender or sexual identity?
One of my biggest issues with conceptualizing the afterlife is that so much of our joy's existence comes from its contrast or compliment to sadness, imperfection, and pain. How can we experience joy without the threat of these things? What about gratitude? Is it really possible to be eternally grateful when you no longer experience loss?
I guess my "problem" is that I consider the practicalities and logistics of the afterlife. I think, "Enough with the vague philosophizing. What is my time going to look like? Will I be hungry and experience the satisfaction of satiation? Will I ever get to experience the joy of driving or competition? Will I ever again feel the peace of a good night's rest, the feeling of clean sheets against a clean body? Will I be able to call a place 'home', and if so, where will it be?"
I can recall beautiful childhood memories as if they took place a moment ago. I would like to think eternity is very much like that.
We already live as if tomorrow is given so I imagine that eternity would be little different than our current experience.
Cloud 1st Class - I imagine it will be
those whom have Near Death or Out of Body Experiences describe a blissful journey filled with light and love and some sort of "spiritual" evolution, or an evolution of consciousness beyond the body. those whom have the experience are 1000% convinced they saw the afterlife. and there's much research out there to support this. so my fear of death is not so bad anymore.
But that's not what Tom Wright is talking about here. As a matter of fact, he's talking about the opposite. Not a disembodied spiritualism, but an empowered materialism powered by spirit.
I love the way he ended with "we can only imagine... there's no way eternal life can be interesting
If God created this world with this much of open possibilities, how much more would the future life be?
I like this insight and interpretation of Dr. Tom Wright. Very biblical indeed.
What if I died at 2; what if I have brain damage; what if I proclaimed Jesus on my death bed after a life of vicious crime; why then did death part me from my spouse; what age will my love-self represent; is there language and communication in the realm of love; are all earthly senses withdrawn; whom will my love-self recognize........Come on with this silly bloviation. Where did you get this knowledge? Answer the real questions or try...
How does he know what God said?
Heavens not a boring waiting room👍
It's in the bible?
He doesn’t know any more than anyone else. I get tired of folks like this guy who claim to know something they don’t.
I don't fear death, I just don't want to be there when it happens. (Woody Allen)
Thank you for interviewing such a heavyweight as NT Wright.
He doesn't look that fat to me.
Amazing how educated men can blather away non sequiturs ad infinitum with no understanding of how meaningless they are.
I think in non -religious terms, if you figure physical death is brain death-, that means an existence without physical memory. Just think of an Alzheimer’s patient. They are living in eternity right now with no past and the present moment is always as if it never happened before. They can’t get bored with the present moment because it’s always new to them
@Id I believe people with Alzheimer’s do give us a glimpse by their reoccurring enthusiasm for the present , Into the mind’s ability to supersede the parameters of time once the physical brain loses its grasp . The only thing that separates the feeling of eternity and its opposite is flesh and bone, The latter of which is made to be temporary and therefore encases the very notion and concept of time itself
Great analogy
Our memories are constantly being backed up to the cloud.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 that’s a good point especially in that I believe we are just vessels that create things in the way we are created . And the cloud is also a good example in that collective memories can be shared With each other
I don’t want to live forever. I’d take a few hundred if I could stay healthy, but eternity is too long
Lol. Eternity is the absence of time, though.
Can we have some context to eternal.
I think one of our biggest issues, then, is our ability to conceive an existence without time. Our whole existence is defined by entropy, which requires time. It's a decay, an aging process of sorts. And what of music? How can you have music without time? Even motion requires time, right? How can you have a rate of change of position without time? Work is force over distance, and power is work over time. Without time there is no power, and without power there is no work. Do our laws of physics no longer hold? And if the afterlife is an entirely new set of laws, what purpose were these?
Eternal life starts here on earth, living in Eternal Life with the Father and the Son in the Kingdom of God here on earth for those that believe, not in religion but in the Relationship in Christ, 1 John 1:1-4.
Speculations, speculations, speculations!!!
Wow, God wants everyone to be special and unique somehow. Tell that to the millions of suffering people , whether through disease, wars, violence, or famine. I can't stand these apologetic responses that somehow try to placate the brutal reality of living for many people on this planet for a perceived "better life" in some undisclosed fantasy world
Yawn.
I enjoy Tom's talks, although he would like everyone to join him in his belief system, he's never pushy about it.
There's no evidence for death essentially.
Death or passing?
in the land of the dad there's a lot of evidence for death but a dearth of knowledge about the O - yet in the land of the leaving the illusion persists that dying is what everyone's doing leading to much despair at the thought that we must one day disappear from such a realm of carnal delights, a world of matter where things matter & where even if suffering is sovereign life is most precious despite the pressures & joy can still be sublime
Eternal life is just a lot of now's!
Lmao did you just make this up? This is probably one of the most direct and concise description of an “eternal life”.
@@raphaelrodriguez1856 Lol yes I did! 😃🤷♂️👍
Another great episode! I love this series.
How do you know it's not eternal if it's your last thought?
How is total oblivion not peace?
This channel should be called closer to western truth
Eternal life is treated in the NT as though it were self-evidently desirable. The NT writers never consider the possibility that - like the Epicureans, for instance - some people might not want eternal life; that they would far prefer extinction at death, and oblivion or non-existence. Acts 17 points out that Paul's sermon at Athens did not persuade the Epicureans or the Stoics. Given that NT Christianity has as many holes in it as a colander, their response was reasonable.
Perhaps Bishop Wright can explain this . Luke 14 verse 26 “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
In other words, you cannot go to Heaven unless you do a lot of hating. Jesus needed his head examined.
Jesus also said you must eat his flesh. But that is meant to be taken spiritually not physically. Spiritually you except him into your self which is metaphorically like eating.
But Jesus, absolutely, makes it A challenge to find and understand God. He is looking for those who will struggle to find him.
Jesus does not mean it the way you understand it. I’ll leave it to you to struggle or not.
I changed my mind, time is too short. Hate not having God in yourself. If you could do that the rest will become clear.
Mary in Luke 1 verse 48 "Henceforth shall all nations call me blessed".
Jesus in Luke 14 verse 26 " A man must hate his mother". Something odd here.
My greatest fear with dying is the outsiders reference frame is different than the person experiencing it.
From the outsiders perspective you die, are buried and eventually nothing of you is left.
But what if the perspective of those experiencing death is different?
What if it's like an eternal fall into a black hole? Forever frozen as time infinitely slows? It becomes the final thing your reference frame observes.
Think that is as unrealistic as going to heaven.
Consciousness surely requires energy to occur. Through our physical form it takes calories. In fact on average our brains use 20% of our daily calories. In the spiritual realm surely consciousness must still run on something! 🤷♂️
Assuming existence after brain decay, I would think the same thing. Something “should” be required to sustain the continuation of consciousness
Solar, of course.
@@raphaelrodriguez1856 Unless it is via a completely different medium that we're unaware of in this dimension. 🤷♂️
The confidence of ignorance is astounding to me.
As long as you're confident in a posh English accent you can make people believe anything. But hey, the rest of us mere men are just too stupid to understand all this sophisticated stuff about god ....can anyone explain to me how does 150mil years of dinosaurs and bone cancer in children fit into all of this?.....
It's ironic that ignorance to you and ignorance to me are opposite concepts.
Hm. OK. It's OK for Christians to admit that language is flawed and that the best it can describe is a fog when talking about heaven. Why, then, is it not OK to admit this about descriptions of God? Instead in Christian theology God is described clearly enough for followers to assert with confidence whose image of God is right and whose is wrong. If the best language can do is describe a fog then how can such assertions be made?
Excellent observation!
Religion is so powerful that it warps our minds into what we want to believe rather than what way the universe actually is. Highly intelligent people have been taken over by this madness. We are organic structures. We are born, we live, and we die. Nothing is eternal. We are so full of our own importance that we think the universe owes us eternal life. The only eternity is the concept of eternity.
I do not understand a word of any of Bishop Wright's videos..
That was accurate! Our future gifted self is closer than we know!
might there be dialogue in eternal life with God? about ones life and life in general? maybe also music, science, math, etc.?
Does bother me if ive an eternity behind and an eternity ahead ? I would still live the now. Btw i think a "no-time" level of consciousness is more probable, like the one felt by everyone who had an NDE.
Sony Worth they are dever knows what os eternal Life. It is just fallacies words. Chanel os manipuleting religius when asking bobastic questions , so bussiness making money subscrib it .
The closest we come to eternity while in time is now.
@@messenjah71 eternity is living now while knowing you will have another now. It’s really not much different than our current experience.
On February 2, 1512, Cheif Hatuey of the island of Hispaniola. was tied to a stake and burned alive at Yara, near the present-day City of Bayamo.[4]
Before he was burned, a priest asked Hatuey if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. Las Casas recalled the reaction of the chief:
[Hatuey], thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes... The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people.
I don't believe their is any validity in the Christian version of Heaven or Hell. Thats a good thing, because if their is, not many Christians I know would be going to Heaven.
It isn't deeds that get you to heaven.
From a theological point of view, your probably right.
Though every historian of early Christianity that I've studied. All agree on the fact that the narratives of the Gospels have evolved/changed, from Mark to Mathew to Luke. Also the stories in the Gospel of John, are very different from the synoptics.
The Historical views vary quite a bit from the theological views when it comes to 1st century Christianity, that's for sure.
Like us, the early 1st century Jewish, had various beliefs of salvation.
To Appeal to the gentiles, Paul obviously preached that faith was the keystone of salvation. To the gentiles getting circumsized, and following the Jewish commandments wasn't going to happen.
Merging in the ocean of reality is just the impersonal vedic conception of eternity. According to the vedic personal conception there's a spiritual sky with spiritual planets where eternal life is ever variegated, fresh and new.
The Eternal Life, is behind all and any imagination,
'the Imaginator', cant be imagined, cant be sensed,
No one have seen the Living behind the Being.
So, You have to 'look' after, 'Some' as cant be seen,
'in your self', so 'Far' and so 'Close'.
The Eternal 'Here and Now', is the Eternity,,
the Only Real Steady Point, in existence,
the Living behind the Being, - Our Self.
A dreamless sleep to eternity
“Now if there is no consciousness but only a dreamless sleep, death must be a marvellous gain. - Socrates in Plato’s Apology”
Hence, Socrates concludes, there is no reason to fear death. It’s like sleeping, just without any dreams.
In my experience with cardiac arrest that's exactly what 3 minutes of death felt like
you need to study near death experiences and out of body experiences. consciousness does not die, and evidence is growing for this, so i do not see death as sleep, i see it as a continuation of consciousness. it's worth reading a book called "journeys out of the body" by robert monroe. he was able to spontaneously leave his body and saw things which were later verified as true. those whom have no experience such as Jalal below, may simply have forgotten their experience upon waking consciousness, just as we forget our dreams.
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@@Dion_Mustard I have to disagree with you on forgetting I remember watching as my vision turned blue and slowed. That in itself is weird and sounds unreal. But it did not seem mystical. I dropped and could not move but saw my son crying briefly before everything went completely blue and faded out I woke up being resucitateted in my front yard and was rushed to a nearby emergency room. Now I have an arhythmia so If I get lucky enough to beat a second round I'll let you know how it goes
@@jalalsalehofficial i am talking about forgetting your near death experience , or if you had an out of body experience, either one, your brain may have wiped the memory upon coming round.
Christians believe that everyone who walked past Jesus in the street two thousand years ago, is now roasting in Hell, for not realising they were walking past the Creator of the Universe. Ridiculous.
If God is out of time, then by saying Let there be Universe he actually said Let all evils be as well. For Him Time (history) looks equally real (actual) no matter where from he is looking at it, there is no difference whether he looks at the entire history backward (from the last moment of the universe) or forward (from the first moment of the universe). So in "the moment" of creation He created everything because "the moment" of creation wasn't a MOMENT (an instance of some other kind of Time (Meta Time)), it was something else. But what that something else is, nobody knows. Because of that i doubt anyone can imagine Eternal Life, and if someone thinks Eternal Life is imaginable, let us know...
I don't even understand why anyone would want to know right now anyways, why not just live and try to enjoy the now.
Yes, nobody knows . Guys are , so rediculus. Oportunism cynic.
@@sadiesnare686 Maybe because too much depends on it (on the correct answer to our problem (whether Eternal Life is imaginable or not?)). What do i mean? I mean this : If something is *totally* unimaginable then in all probabilty it means that we won't be we (the same being which we are now) in such totally unimaginable reality once such reality comes to existence. Would we remember our previous lives on this earth in that unimaginable reality? What would our previous earthly life mean to us in that unimaginable reality? Is it clearer now?
Jesus did not believe in a Life after Death, since he tried (unsuccessfully) to raise people from the dead. No point in trying to raise Lazarus from the dead, if Lazarus was already in Heaven.
How can a perfect god create an imperfect human? If humans were perfect they would never sin. If they are not perfect then neither is the god who created them. If god is perfect then why does he need different covenants at different times. He issued one called the old testament and then another called the new testament. Did he get the first one wrong? If humans are all perfect then why are they all different? Why are some born with defects that will kill them before they've even had a chance to commit a sin?
The concept of eternity is beyond human understanding. Our science tells us eventually the stars will burn out and the universe will be dark, cold, having nothing in it but the remains of what once was. Our understanding of the universe based on observation and rational conclusion is that all events are the result of cause and effect. Therefore free will is an illusion and in reality doesn't exist. Religion is based on circular reasoning. Truth is found in a holy book or scripture. They were written by men who are not perfect? If they were perfect than accounts of Christianity in the new testament would all read the same with no contradictions and no omissions.
When you ask these questions to a cleric, he'll tell you "god works in mysterious ways." If you can't understand him then why try? Do I want to exist for eternity? No, that would be my concept of hell.
I like the idea of an eternal you.
An eternal life cannot be conceived if we think that it will be lived with a human body. With its defects and limitations and without the wonders of the glorious body, which although it looks the same as the human body, was designed for immortality.
If I have the option/if it is possible, I will probably stay and experience the afterlife for a few years, get my fill, then either purposely return my soul to the universe or redo my life as someone else and make better choices
Eternal life is a quality of life. The highest quality of life in fact.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas I don't know the mechanics of time however eternal life in the scriptures are described in terms of a quality of life.
This quality of life seems to transcend time but not necessarily that time goes away completely.
I would simply define eternal life the way the bible does.
"The highest quality of life one can live in God."
@@ReverendDr.Thomas Read Jesus' words on eternal life and how he speaks on eternal life. He came so we can have life and life abundantly.
He also specifically says He is the Life.
Eternal life is living and walking in the Life of Christ through His Spirit.
Christ came to give us His life, the eternal Life.
Spiritually abundant qualitative Life.
This is a central theme throughout the entire bible. If you don't understand God will give you understanding. Ask and seek and it will be abundantly given to you.
The longer you live the less you do so eternity necessarily involves doing absolutely nothing, but to exist without activity of any sort is essentially equivalent to not existing at all. Therefore eternity is non-existence.
So...he's dodging the questions with word salad.
It's easy not to pay enough attention to follow what he's saying because it is metaphorical and removed from experience. I have to be in the right frame of mind to follow along. But that said, he does actually address Robert's question about the persistence of individual personality in the afterlife. More importantly, he's painting a picture of an afterlife that would actually fulfill human longings, which seems to be the problem posed by Robert at the beginning of the segment. That's just my take.
So you end up in heaven and everyone you thought would make it with you does not, you're left scratching your proverbial head and asking... what did I do right?
I’ve never liked the idea of heaven. Being forced to worship God for all eternity and be grateful for it just isn’t appealing to me.
Wow...the interviewee sure knows a lot about Heaven for a mere mortal.
And he's oblivious to mental illness because some must be more Manic and psychopathic in the afterlife in his logic
No, he understands very well the biblical concept of heaven.
Plot twist: he’s not a mere mortal
@@daheikkinen Hahaha, damn, can't believe there are so many delusional people about!😮
Our lack of knowledge breeds endless. And obviously pointless, speculation on what happens after we disconnect from this reality. But, you have to die to find out the real story. 🙄
Religion is probably the most ego centric concept mankind has ever come up with.
Its impossible to imagine an existence where time and space do not exist. The question of "What do I do?" is meaningless.
Eternal life is a beautiful. If you have an unlimited number of things to do.
or can be just having the chance to do them again ...
@@francesco5581 there is it's called eternal life
Baseless coment rambling.
@@sadiesnare686 indeed, i said that because many people have that idea that eternity can be boring ... because they "fear" to finish things to do... But the joy of an eternal life would be being able to do again beautiful things .
@@tonyb5492 so which paper do you sign ? eternal death or eternal life ?
Eternal existence? Boring. Enjoy your brief existence. Life only happens in the moment. Don’t waste it with memories of the past or imaginary future.
I'll take Science please... rather than the politics of ancients...
Hogwash speculation. It is not man made at the image of god but rather the opposite, gods made at the image of man. Yah! Keep imagine things to appease your fear of the death.
EXCELLENT video Robert--this is the best rationalization of Eternal life by a guest yet! thanks for posting!
You are already made in Gods image . There is only one note played . It is in its highest form love . The beatitudes were spoken to those who were open to receive . They were open through their suffering and desire . The intellectuals who think that they can think their way into heaven are misled . God is present in all of his creation and no thing can be outside God . In the beginning was the word the mind of God which no thing can exist outside of .
This man is spot on. We are the tentacles of our expanding universe. Our eternal part reports back for debriefing and reassignment with slightly modified perspective.
The title (almost) says it all.
good voice
Seems the gods should have taken a bit more time planning creation of reality and avoid the whole mess of dying and not knowing the future in the first place
I Rather believe that everything just popped out of nowhere by itself, that is very possible. No one can prove that God created everything that is impossible.
'Cause/Effect', not ' /Effect'
It is really about Eternal Awareness in your spiritual life after death... and so, it is about Eternal Awareness of a cold dark nothingness if your soul ends in hell, or about Eternal Awareness of all kinds of comfort and happiness if your soul returns Home/Heaven where boredom is non-existent.
Kuhn, what you really missed is all the adventures and excitements that the youths have. To be eternally young is every one's dream full of happy energy. You have reached that senior age now where your sensories are getting duller every day so that imagining it to be eternal is really horrible...
In Heaven, your soul is forever young....
Tom talks word salad….
Christianity has a massive problem. If Jesus was the " Saviour of the world" it is inexcusable that he did not appear much earlier in human history .
Personally, I'd prefer to just die and become a non-entity like I was before I was born rather than being "Blessed" by eternal life in an environment I know nothing about forever. Not a pleasant thought.
You have to give a gift first .....then you get your gift....in your context of relative consciousness of light energy.....robert your right....just new or finally get the news.......try 15 degrees
Imagine eternal life. That takes imagination. Like this old age Peter Pan says.
Life after death is just a paradox. BS upon BS
"Imagine eternal life". Go ahead. Now, imagine a clean smelling Bhagfoot.
NT Wright is great at making things overly complicated. He can bloviate for hours without even once presenting the clear gospel of Jesus Christ.
The truth is that death leads to heaven or hell, and the only way to heaven is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross to pay for the sins of the entire world (John 1:29) and came back from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4). He did all of the work necessary to purchase our salvation, and all He requires of us is that we trust in Him. The moment we believe in Jesus for His free gift of eternal life, we are saved forever (John 5:24). Salvation is not dependent one iota on our performance; rather, it's based on Christ and HIS finished work on the cross of Calvary (John 19:30). th-cam.com/video/I3A5mXtS9Lc/w-d-xo.html
If you could imagine, God sending us back to the garden of eden for all eternity . At first we would think it's the greatest gift of all . Then after a 1000 years we would go crazy, facing the Horror of eternity !!!!!! Forever on planet earth !!! Eternity itself, eternal consciousness , created this universe , this planet and our lives . We are the vehicles that eternity lives in , to face the Horror of it's own eternal existence. Where else would Eternity spend Eternity.
Lmao how do you know you aren’t already living an eternal life now???
What Paul is saying is, that our belief and trust in Jesus Christ is the way to achieve eternal life. The gospel is what Paul is saying.
God's choices are meaningless, because his omniscience is the ultimate spoiler. You the fuck-up or you, the Saint, are known by god as first principal, and your "participation" means nothing at all. It that sense, the universe is deterministic. Life simply unfolds.
And if you don't believe, you doomed to hell. Use of fear to control. Doesn't seem to make sense.
If you don't believe what?
@@tmariepi1472 in god
@@tenaciosloo I don't think that God minds if you don't believe in Him. He believes in you and would never abandon you.
(3:40) *TW: **_"These are characteristics that will be celebrated in the future."_* ... Wright is correct, but this metamorphosis is not based on a metaphysical god. Existence evolves from simplicity to complexity and classifies all data that emerges through the development of *spectrums* (highest to lowest). This is why you have quarks and antiquarks, matter and antimatter, positive and negative, black and white, life and death, good and evil, etc. All of this spectrum-based data is stored within a ubiquitous database known as Existence (or "Consciousness").
*"What happens in Existence stays in Existence!"* .......... Including you.
The highest and lowest endpoints of every spectrum is what Existence uses to establish a specific *value* for whatever Existence currently represents. Humans replicate this "spectrum formation" through our sports, contests, quality scales, and other forms of "ranking." We do this because (just like Existence) we want to know and observe what serves as the *"best of the best"* within our species.
(Sorry, but I have to continue my comment here because TH-cam won't let me post it:)
As individual self-aware representatives of Existence, we are tasked with establishing whatever represents the *best* and the *worst* within the realm of sentience. If you align yourself with the best, then when you _physically_ die, all of the data you have generated represents your individual contribution to whatever serves as the *"best of the best"* within the database of Existence ... and that's where your _conscious existence_ will thrive forever. ... Likewise, those who align themselves with the *worst* will thrive within that realm forever.
*Aside* ... The sad part is that this *TRUTH* about Existence can be freely revealed to everyone (just as it has been) and nobody cares. I've learned that I can post these same _truths_ a thousand times over, and people simply do not care. I can write an entire novel about it and achieve the same results. I fear the truth about Existence will die right along with me.
...but at least I know I've done my *_BEST_* to get the word out.
Imagine eternal cats
Instead of 9 lives they have 9 eternities
The Beatific Vision, a catatonic state of awe? That is not Catholic teaching.
Whether God exists ??????????
Yeah so how does any of this make sense to the fact that if all is flawed then he is he so perfect? You can't use flawed then say God is love goodness caring forgiving empathetic etc etc.
This is how I think of Heaven, also. I loved listening to him. "The people we become in the present will mean much more in God's future." 3:13
The "Resurrection" of Jesus makes no sense. According to the Gospels hundreds of dead people were raised from the dead. Lazarus was one, and according to Matthew 10 verse 8, the disciples were performing this miracle on a regular basis.. In Matthew 8 verse 22 Jesus thinks that dead people can pick up shovels and bury dead people. In Matthew 27 verse 53-54 many dead people were raised from the dead and marched into Jerusalem. The biggest miracle is that billions throughout the ages have believed this nonsense.
Wright's religious fantasy world is perhaps interesting, but like other theists, he is just making stuff up.
A total waste of time really. Just make up your own magical world. Use you imagination, just like Wright.
Yes, he makes a living and gets respect for coming up with this stuff...good motivators
It will be the same experience but better. The earth will be different, Jesus will be king and people will be doing what we do now but without all the suffering and sorrow. Shalom
Eternal life is eternal progression, becoming like God and inheriting what He has. 1John 3:1-3, John 17, Romans 8: 14-18, Revelation 3:21. Something to look forward to!
I'm sorry but first it's the arrogance getting me that a person should have such absolute knowledge of afterlife without having died. After 3 minutes of heart death due to cardiac arrest I was faced with dreamless sleep. Not mentioning the fact that if your person must be the same but somehow multiplied in the afterlife then Psychopathic and mentally ill people who cannot control their will to harm people are in heaven and multiplied in their mental States ?
have you ever considered you may have had an experience but your brain wiped it from your memory upon awakening? i'd look into studies on NDEs. many have an experience, such as the out of body experience, many do not, but evidence is growing that those whom had just dreamless sleep merely had the memory eradicated when they came round, similar to dreams, we forget our dreams upon coming round. but there is good literature out there with good studies into consciousness beyond the body. worth investigating. start with dr pim van lommel's book consciousness beyond life.
@CLIMAX I disagree . NDEs are nothing like dreams at all. Those whom experience an NDE would beg to differ - they say it was more real than their waking reality.
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couple of videos here of people who have had an NDE/OBE and one woman whose heart stopped beating and she came out of her body and went to another world. worth a watch.
Lol..a man can talk of what’s in god plan and intentions..as usual abstract sales talk in a religious language…
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From the Christian point of view, humans are the literal *"offspring"* (children/progeny) of the Creator of this universe (created in its image). So, what that suggests is that we are each imbued with the capability of creating our own universe (out of the fabric of our minds) just as the Creator of this universe has done with its mind. Thus *"eternal life"* (in a higher form, in a higher context of reality) is what is necessary to achieve such a goal.
Yes, God extended Himself to us and gave us the same loving Will to create.
However, we fell asleep, and now we miscreate, or project, while dreaming. What we see with our senses are but witnesses to the dream, which is why it's so hard for us to awaken. We think this is real. No one awakens from a dream he thinks is real.
Eventually, however, the dream loses all appeal and we may begin the journey (of awakening) that eventually everyone will make.
Eternal = Carnivore
Any proof of god yet? Nah. Hey how about this theory? Our world is just a single molecule among millions of molecules that make up the fart gas the god I believe in produce when he eats too much cheerios. And this god I believe in happens to be just a molecule among millions of... and so on.
Cristhian faith is ways to believe Etrnal Life. Nobodody knows Eternal Life in Science, philosophy, phisch. He beileve it idbad ways because vê show up reason. He reasons are , so baseless words.
The thing I don't understand is that life seems to be immortal already, the particular form mutates but so what?
The only way to progress life is, by giving life. Jesus gave his life for all, that one shouldn't perish ,but whoever believes in him shall have eternal life.