I feel like MarkMcKz would do pretty well on this challenge, given how many obscure and forgotten cards he uses for his OTKs. Any chance we could see him one day?
Nice to see another one entry on this series! I will echo the sentiment of someone in the last video saying that maybe you should move the sound/art challenges around in the video so theres some build up to them rather than trumping the "contestants" at the very start.
Rarran, there is a old developers joke on the attack sound of Doomsayer. His entry line is "the end is coming", then he get killed, or destroyed he says "i knew it" but of you silence him, and after that give him attack somehow, you can actually hear his attackline which is: "did i missed it? " i found its super cool, and dont know how popular it is
These "special" videos give a great inside how these guys develope the game. Also it has so much potential for other special "do you know hearthstone" videos. If you get other develepors, you can do a video for artwork only, maybe effects (balancing) or even, if they have special sub teams for the heroes, for one specific hero. Keep up the great work.
@@nudnud9 That's the difference between the 3 lines HS card text vs College textbook Yugioh card text xD, Although idk cuz Players still don't get what Pot of Greed does so Yeah, fair point xD
Next Dev you have on you should use spammy arcanist and defile next time and switch the period and comma which changes the interaction with the bubble elemental
I can't tell if the cards were easier to get this episode or Gallon was just that good and quick that it made it seem like "duh, no shit these aren't real"
@@qsns_ To be fair, I got that one too. Firstly because it seemed like a cool card at the time so I tried to make it work but also because it was +1/+2, which they never do, unless the original was +2/+2 and they nerfed it or it's a very recent card.
@@TheMasterpiecePD If it were +1/+2, it might actually have been playable. I had a deck with Arena Fanatic for a while, and it felt like with a few buffs it might have worked.
12:28 if due to the card effect you draw several cards, there would be a difference between "After" and "Whenever". One short example for the following situation: Mage has a full hand. He then plays Archmage Arugal and Arcane Intellect to draw two cards from the deck (8 cards in hand at the moment spell is casted). Let's assume that the top card is a minion and the second card is a spell. 1. If wording is "Whenever" - player gets a minion, Arugal's effect triggers right away, which adds a second copy of the minion to Mage's hand. Arcane Intellect effect continues, which burns the spell drawn next. 2. If wording is "After" - player draws a minion and a spell from deck, Arugal's effect triggers after Arcane Intellect's effect, however, extra copy of the minion is not added to Mage's hand since the hand is too full.. Of course this situation is purely theoretical since no one ever played Arugal lol
20:41 You can see Rarran deep in thought, thinking about how he's going to use developer insight to mess up other people on card descriptions in the future.
Hey, Unsettled Spirit. That's the card that I made on Hearthcards. I know the bottom line is clipping through the stats. At first I wanted to make it "revive this", but release just sounded better.
2:10 Fun fact, Okani is a Ankoan, which are a sub-species of the Jinyus (super evolved murlocs from Pandaria). So, if anything, he should have the murloc tag. In fact, they are mortal enemies to the naga, so saying he is one is kinda rude I guess.
Don't know what access you have to those people but would absolutely love a sounds-only episode with an audio engineer/designer and an art-only episode with an artist/art director. Thanks for the high quality, fun content, Rarran :)
So all I'm getting from this is that, under the pretext of making youtube videos, Rarran is getting the inside scoop on HS developer thoughts. Has this all been a ruse to get you a job on the team Rarran?!
It's great to see Gallon again. We don't get to see him much these days. Also has Ridiculous Hat been on yet? I bet he would be insanely good at this too!
Alpharad has conditioned me so hard to immediately expect an ad whenever Dating Start! Plays (like at 21:17) So much so that it shocks me when it isn’t an ad when I hear that song in the background lol
He definitely knows Hearthstone! I think nobody got so many correct answers and as quickly as him! Also, it was great hearing about the design philosophy
With Arugal given the explanation Gallon gave if you had arugal in flame and drew Flame Leviathan then with whenever you'd get 2 flame leviathans but with your wording you only get 1 flame leviathan which would be tragic
I remember playing Archmage Arugal, and when I drew a minion, the copy would appear before I drew the card. That's how I remembered it was "whenever", and not "after"
on baron geddon, he was unironically a reason I started to whale and buy packs. Before him I bought a few packs I think? but then in a priest arena run I got him, and I was so impressed as a scrub "oh my god, he will just clear the enemies stuff, then I can heal face! its so good!" and this was when he was a 7/5, anyways, I started to play a control priest (very poorly) with him after buying quite a few packs, eventually pivoted to control warrior when I got a bit better and found out that was more meta, and I still took my baron over which wasnt the most common thing, especially as naxx came out.
I hated it when he said It seeps in by Osmosis, that's ONLY for water! It seeps in by DIFFUSION. My Biology teacher always ranted about and it's stuck with me.
12:50 - So I guess if you drew Flame Leviathan and killed Arugal with its effect, you'd still get a second copy of Flame Leviathan in your hand? That's really cool.
Gallon has 4 wrong answers, so Zeddy still technically holds the crown with 3 wrong answers. Keep in mind though that the show has risen in difficulty a lot since the beginning, and Rarran went extra hard on Gallon as he was a developer... But it's all for fun anyway.
Having the developers on has been a huge boon to me as I gain insight into how they think about the cards. Thanks for this fun series that has strayed into the informative
14:53 now it matters has we had that card that "deathrattle summon 2/2's with rush for each unused mana crystals." or whatever that wording on the card is has it shows how bad that kind of effect is that they even let it not influence other cards even if it made it better (maybe if it saw more play they might have changed it?)
interesting, so if you drew old flametank or whatever it was (the 7 mana mage mech, that did 2 to the board when drawn) you would get 2 copies in hand then your boy dies
it should not be, as once you kill the 1/1 by doing 1 damage, it gets resummoned as 2/2 and takes 1 damage, which would stop Defile unless there are other cards on board. By itself it would not be infinite, since Defile does not increase damage every tick but stays at 1 damage.
A bit of constructive criticism: These videos are great as always. I'm watching them btw as someone who hasn't played hearthstone since goblins vs gnomes. I felt the introduction of the guy was pretty lackluster. First time I've pressed on a video with a person I didn't know, because it said dev. Most important question would have been to ask him when he joined the dev team and what part he works on, and maybe also a sentence about the time prior (apparently pro, since game came out?). Also when the different scene showed and you were all of the sudden on the left, it was very jarring for 2 seconds. Definitely make sure to keep the person on the same side.
Honestly Not a big fan of the card art zoom in or the play sounds. i feel like there just there at the start so Rarran feels superior. and detract from the overall episodes
I look forward to these so much now, you're gonna be stuck with this series until youtube dies or you become a developer and one of us can put you on an episode of your own show. Keep up the great videos Rarran!
That was a very good point about consistency. If they value consistency over everything, that means that some new cards will require prior game knowledge to fully understand. Prioritizing specific card clarity instead makes each card more readable. Wow, I won’t shit on them for consistency anymore I guess lol that was really eye opening
I feel like MarkMcKz would do pretty well on this challenge, given how many obscure and forgotten cards he uses for his OTKs. Any chance we could see him one day?
'' Uhhhh this card have better stats for the cost than Boulderfist Ogre, probably a fake card"
Was thinking the same, could be really interresting
I'd be glad to see that.
@@rafaelgiovanini3551 this must be a joke. No card, real or fake, has better stats for the cost than oger
YES. This is the crossover for my fanfiction dreams
Wow this was easily the strongest performance we've ever seen, guess he really is a Hearthstone Developer.
Yepp. I def thought he was sinking after the first two! lol
Fantastic showing by Gallon. Loved the extra info on naming murloc cards and careful wording!
Nice to see another one entry on this series! I will echo the sentiment of someone in the last video saying that maybe you should move the sound/art challenges around in the video so theres some build up to them rather than trumping the "contestants" at the very start.
Good idea
Should formalise the format and have a leaderboards
Yeah I think it should be art then cards then sounds
@@huntermoka
I think that’s too much pressure on the contestants.
@@-ZH they're mostly pro/semi pro players and streamers no?
These doubling as interviews when you have a dev on has been really cool.
Rarran, there is a old developers joke on the attack sound of Doomsayer. His entry line is "the end is coming", then he get killed, or destroyed he says "i knew it" but of you silence him, and after that give him attack somehow, you can actually hear his attackline which is: "did i missed it? " i found its super cool, and dont know how popular it is
These "special" videos give a great inside how these guys develope the game. Also it has so much potential for other special "do you know hearthstone" videos. If you get other develepors, you can do a video for artwork only, maybe effects (balancing) or even, if they have special sub teams for the heroes, for one specific hero. Keep up the great work.
Honestly really interesting, seeing a lot of the dev brain overexplained here. Loved this episode :)
"You read a card once and you know what it does forever"
MAN what a philosophy, really nicely said!
meanwhile, me in yugioh reading MY OWN card for the 50th time, wondering why it magically stopped working:
@@nudnud9 That's the difference between the 3 lines HS card text vs College textbook Yugioh card text xD, Although idk cuz Players still don't get what Pot of Greed does so Yeah, fair point xD
@@nudnud9 Why yugioh doesn't use keywords is a mystery to me, it's so jarring to read yugioh cards
Muted Rarran losing his shit gives me life.
at least +5 years for this episode
Next Dev you have on you should use spammy arcanist and defile next time and switch the period and comma which changes the interaction with the bubble elemental
I can't tell if the cards were easier to get this episode or Gallon was just that good and quick that it made it seem like "duh, no shit these aren't real"
Def just him, there were tough ones in there.
he instantly got arena fanatic, he's just nuts
I think that most, if not ALL other contestants wouldnt have gotten the geddon one
@@qsns_ To be fair, I got that one too. Firstly because it seemed like a cool card at the time so I tried to make it work but also because it was +1/+2, which they never do, unless the original was +2/+2 and they nerfed it or it's a very recent card.
@@TheMasterpiecePD If it were +1/+2, it might actually have been playable. I had a deck with Arena Fanatic for a while, and it felt like with a few buffs it might have worked.
12:28 if due to the card effect you draw several cards, there would be a difference between "After" and "Whenever". One short example for the following situation:
Mage has a full hand. He then plays Archmage Arugal and Arcane Intellect to draw two cards from the deck (8 cards in hand at the moment spell is casted). Let's assume that the top card is a minion and the second card is a spell.
1. If wording is "Whenever" - player gets a minion, Arugal's effect triggers right away, which adds a second copy of the minion to Mage's hand. Arcane Intellect effect continues, which burns the spell drawn next.
2. If wording is "After" - player draws a minion and a spell from deck, Arugal's effect triggers after Arcane Intellect's effect, however, extra copy of the minion is not added to Mage's hand since the hand is too full..
Of course this situation is purely theoretical since no one ever played Arugal lol
also flame leviathan would kill arugal if it was 'after' :( (although it might still go off?)
Gallon: "Okay, so today for SGDQ I am doing a speedrun of 'do you know hearthstone."
this was a Do You Know Hearthstone Master Class
Excited for this episode loved the last dev episode
20:41 You can see Rarran deep in thought, thinking about how he's going to use developer insight to mess up other people on card descriptions in the future.
Geddon isn't a 7/5??? I really havent played the game in a while huh
Its get buff
Hey, Unsettled Spirit. That's the card that I made on Hearthcards.
I know the bottom line is clipping through the stats. At first I wanted to make it "revive this", but release just sounded better.
Rarran is going to end up working for Blizzard at this rate.
2:10 Fun fact, Okani is a Ankoan, which are a sub-species of the Jinyus (super evolved murlocs from Pandaria). So, if anything, he should have the murloc tag. In fact, they are mortal enemies to the naga, so saying he is one is kinda rude I guess.
🤓
Best episode so far imo! Loved Gallon's input (and output XD), and the whole episode just flowed so smoothly, great stuff! ^_^
Please include "Death Sound" !! In the starter section :')
Or maybe even a play sound, attack sound, and a death sound :p
Don't know what access you have to those people but would absolutely love a sounds-only episode with an audio engineer/designer and an art-only episode with an artist/art director. Thanks for the high quality, fun content, Rarran :)
So all I'm getting from this is that, under the pretext of making youtube videos, Rarran is getting the inside scoop on HS developer thoughts. Has this all been a ruse to get you a job on the team Rarran?!
This one not only a really fun episode but a very informative one, too.
That was entertaining and we learned a lot of things about card design! That was really cool!
Performing like a savage. such a nice watch gj.
Hearthstone developers doing this series is so good for the series, my favorite so far getting their insight!
Wait they gave arcane golem charge again? Hell yeah
yeah, when that card was shown I was like "that has no charge and also 4 health instead of 2" but apparently that is no longer the case
earliest I've ever been on a vid, also have a great day Rarran, love your content :3
Someone already said this but mark mckz works perfectly in this segment because he's used all sorts of unknown cards in stupid combos
I think Gallon was the best contestant so far!
It’s crazy how smart some of these guys are.
Oh wow, so Gallon is a dev now? Good for him
Can u do this with Marc Mckenzie? Seems pretty fun with the amount of dogshit card he has already use to OTK
It's great to see Gallon again. We don't get to see him much these days. Also has Ridiculous Hat been on yet? I bet he would be insanely good at this too!
Love this series, Rarran is doing better and not making it look like he is making fun on the guest.
I think you need a revenge match with Gallan, he zoomed through
finisher is already a murloc pun... you know, "fin"
Silver fang keep? That’s a new one. My mans mixing shadow fang keep and silver pine Forrest
Awesome series my guy. I love seeing the developers on here. Their insights on the design and templating is really interesting.
Alpharad has conditioned me so hard to immediately expect an ad whenever Dating Start! Plays (like at 21:17)
So much so that it shocks me when it isn’t an ad when I hear that song in the background lol
it would be cool to see brian kibler on this challenge
Rarran asked him, as he commented in one of his other video's. Unfortunately, Kibler didn't seem to have the time or interest
This episode was very fun! Love the ones with the developers!
why did I think Baron Geddon was a 7 mana 7/5? what the heck
Don't worry; he has been for years... I think they changed him when introducing him to the core set, to make him somewhat more viable
@@Madmuli ah! that explains it, thanks! thought I was losing my mind
These dev episodes are awesome. I love hearing the reasoning behind certain aspects of cards. Gallon was terrific!
He definitely knows Hearthstone! I think nobody got so many correct answers and as quickly as him! Also, it was great hearing about the design philosophy
this guy is a thousand times funnier than the last guy
Baron Geddon tripped me up because it used to be a 7/5
With Arugal given the explanation Gallon gave if you had arugal in flame and drew Flame Leviathan then with whenever you'd get 2 flame leviathans but with your wording you only get 1 flame leviathan which would be tragic
I remember playing Archmage Arugal, and when I drew a minion, the copy would appear before I drew the card.
That's how I remembered it was "whenever", and not "after"
It's always hilarious seeing Rarran lose his shit silently in the background as guests are calmly explaining what's wrong with the card lol
Love to be early. Thank you for amazing content
Great video! I love that it is longer and we get to hear more about their thoughts :D
1:19 well if it Isn't Blademaster "Im a million moves ahead of you" Okani
Getting the developers on has been a great thing for this series!
on baron geddon, he was unironically a reason I started to whale and buy packs. Before him I bought a few packs I think? but then in a priest arena run I got him, and I was so impressed as a scrub "oh my god, he will just clear the enemies stuff, then I can heal face! its so good!" and this was when he was a 7/5, anyways, I started to play a control priest (very poorly) with him after buying quite a few packs, eventually pivoted to control warrior when I got a bit better and found out that was more meta, and I still took my baron over which wasnt the most common thing, especially as naxx came out.
I hated it when he said It seeps in by Osmosis, that's ONLY for water! It seeps in by DIFFUSION. My Biology teacher always ranted about and it's stuck with me.
Less experienced players can’t play epic cards, got it 🤪 Joking, obviously. Well played Gallon! That was impressive.
Its so awasome to get an insight from the devs perspective. Such unique content. Lovingg this series✨
I think the best way to word it is all cards are standard legal instead of standard playable
12:50 - So I guess if you drew Flame Leviathan and killed Arugal with its effect, you'd still get a second copy of Flame Leviathan in your hand? That's really cool.
Yep. I think he was looking for an example but couldn't think of a specific one but yes, you got it. That's the scenario.
Gallon has 4 wrong answers, so Zeddy still technically holds the crown with 3 wrong answers. Keep in mind though that the show has risen in difficulty a lot since the beginning, and Rarran went extra hard on Gallon as he was a developer... But it's all for fun anyway.
2 Hearthstone developers and both of them played with the sound turned off, I'm beginning to think they play on working time? XD
Having the developers on has been a huge boon to me as I gain insight into how they think about the cards. Thanks for this fun series that has strayed into the informative
Wow, he did really well.
14:53 now it matters has we had that card that "deathrattle summon 2/2's with rush for each unused mana crystals." or whatever that wording on the card is has it shows how bad that kind of effect is that they even let it not influence other cards even if it made it better (maybe if it saw more play they might have changed it?)
Can anyfin summon enemy murlocks that died? Since Guldan specify friendly while anyfin does not 🤔 that may be the reason
interesting, so if you drew old flametank or whatever it was (the 7 mana mage mech, that did 2 to the board when drawn) you would get 2 copies in hand then your boy dies
Wtf Gallon is like a known dude? This is just the nerd who’d show up to melee locals and play jigglypuff holy moly
@12:20 Arugal could die to a Flame Leviathan draw with the after you don't get a copy by that explaination.
Maybe you can start adding in more stuff, like things from Duels, or Battlegrounds.
The 8 mana 1/1 wouldnt it be an infinate loop with defile? Edit: I derped hard for not playing in a long time.
No
it should not be, as once you kill the 1/1 by doing 1 damage, it gets resummoned as 2/2 and takes 1 damage, which would stop Defile unless there are other cards on board. By itself it would not be infinite, since Defile does not increase damage every tick but stays at 1 damage.
@@bb-im6hf ah right havent played since galakrond so i derped lol
for arugal it works with flame leviathian since flame does 2 damage but arugal shoulc copy it before he dies
The artwork is always a bit of a miss for me, because, the card art is tiny on screen and zoomed almost impossible to see.
A bit of constructive criticism: These videos are great as always. I'm watching them btw as someone who hasn't played hearthstone since goblins vs gnomes. I felt the introduction of the guy was pretty lackluster. First time I've pressed on a video with a person I didn't know, because it said dev. Most important question would have been to ask him when he joined the dev team and what part he works on, and maybe also a sentence about the time prior (apparently pro, since game came out?). Also when the different scene showed and you were all of the sudden on the left, it was very jarring for 2 seconds. Definitely make sure to keep the person on the same side.
Pretty sure he's an associate game designer and card designer
Yooo I just saw iDubbz plays hearthstone and it would be sick af if you somehow got him on here
I've only recently found your channel, but i think you need to see if you can do this challenge with Day9.
Rarran take some duels or adventure cards put gems on them to fake people.
Rarran is going to end up working for Blizzard at this rate.
What an awesome guest. Could watch him guess cards for hours.
Damn they did go 'back in time' and changed Blade of C'Thun but did not reword the text at all.
Honestly Not a big fan of the card art zoom in or the play sounds. i feel like there just there at the start so Rarran feels superior. and detract from the overall episodes
I look forward to these so much now, you're gonna be stuck with this series until youtube dies or you become a developer and one of us can put you on an episode of your own show. Keep up the great videos Rarran!
That was a very good point about consistency. If they value consistency over everything, that means that some new cards will require prior game knowledge to fully understand. Prioritizing specific card clarity instead makes each card more readable. Wow, I won’t shit on them for consistency anymore I guess lol that was really eye opening
Damn gallon destroyed this challenge! Wp
The best content in HS TH-cam. Thanks, Rarran.
You can see his experience as a developer, arriving at slight differences in wording from first principles
please invite Valerie!!!
music in the background was annoying to me just giving feedback
A lot of these were easier for me because they were about the effect of the cards. I know pretty much all of the card effects.
BRO, you coulda had em, "call in the Finnishers"
Idk if this is too much but it would be funny to use hero/hero card attack sounds
Arugal would have died with the card Leviathan. I guess thats why
Wow, I think Gallon did better than I ever could've
1:39. Why on earth would they make the card then???
Didn't got any of the art, and probably wouldn't be able to...
Okay, this was really cool to hear some developer insights
This guy's a God at this game.