ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2021
- An excerpt from this keynote speech regarding MacIntyre's supposed connection to this conservative movement.
• Keynote: Common Goods,...
Transcript:
"Let me make one thing clear, the so-called Benedict Option movement, insofar as it is inspired by anything to do with me is inspired by one sentence only. And people who have put it forward have apparently read nothing but that one sentence. That is a sentence in which I suggest that we have been waiting for a new St. Benedict. Let me say what I meant by this because it is buried by what you’re saying.
What is very interesting about St. Benedict is that he quite inadvertently created a new set of social forms. He founded a monastic order and one thing about this monastic order was that they had to survive to make their living, so they had to be farmers. So, we have monks who are farmers. Now the interesting thing about monks is they don’t breed. They can’t reproduce themselves. If you simply had monks going out into the wilderness and farming there soon wouldn’t be. So there had to be non-monks around. And this is what always happened. Benedictine communities existed in a set of villages, often very close to one of them. Then it had a crucial symbiotic relationship with them. First of all, they were all farmers, so they exchanged these goods. Secondly it is from the sons of these villagers that novices were found. And the monks therefore had a keen interest in the education of the community. So over time the monastery became the place that supplied schooling and liturgy. The villages provided lay-recruits and so on. What was built up was a local community which was largely independent of the feudal order, not entirely but very much so.
So this is not a withdrawal from society into isolation… this is actually the creation of a new set of social institutions which then proceed to evolve, a very interesting set of social institutions too. Later on, when you get collisions with the feudal order in all sorts of way, that becomes interesting too. So, when I said we need a new St. Benedict, I was suggesting we need a new kind of engagement with the social order, not any kind of withdrawal from it. I should add by the way it’s also the case that by and large the people who have put forward this [the Benedict Movement] appear to have conservative views politically, and I’m well known for holding that conservatism and liberalism are mirror images of each other; one should have nothing to do with either of them. I mean, the moment you think of yourself as a liberal or a conservative you’re done for. It is as simple as that."
![เบิ้ล ปทุมราช - อ้ายกินดอง น้องลาบงัว ft. สแน็ก อัจฉรีย์ [OFFICIAL MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-OK--KaSPcI/mqdefault.jpg)
based
thank you for the transcription!!
Thank God someone has posted this. It has inspired me to write a piece on the Evils of Virtue Ethics (forthcoming).
Thank you thank you thank you
Rod Dreher did not advocate wholesale withdrawal from society. It sounds as if he has not read the Benedict Opion
He most assuredly has not because he sees it as beneath him. MacIntyre’s type is easy to spot.
Actually Dreher did. And then lies about it.
very good
'New monasticism' is not what Dreher is proposing, and certainly not withdrawing or refusing to engage with the world. It would be nice if people actually availed themselves to read him
Exactly. The Benedict option does not preach isolationism and Rod Dreyer is by no means beholden to liberal conservatism.
I disagree. MacIntyre rightly points out that the OLD monasticism was not about withdrawal. And Dreher thinks that a similarly-engaged monasticism would be one option, among many. Sadly, however, Dreher was his own worst enemy on this question, because sometimes he clearly did indeed suggest a withdrawal, of sorts-"tactical," we might call it, making politics and power institutions secondary-while also blogging himself about current politics and culture EVERY DAY. But, yes, the many examples in the book, for anyone who has read it, are much like what MacIntyre gives here. On the third hand, Dreher does edit an explicitly conservative journal, and is anything but a systematic or philosophical thinker. So there's that against him, for MacIntyre.
@@kellymadden2873 Benedict of Nursia became a monk after leaving the city of Rome, to avoid its immorality. That monasteries became actively engaged in society later on doesn't mean that their position as a refuge for those who want to live Christian lives wasn't important, or wasn't necessary to gain influence to begin with.
What Dreher is suggesting is only that - a refuge has to be built, which can allow us to resist the pagan world order. Exactly what Alasdair describes here!
And the more we read Dreher the more we see that he gets the facts hopelessly wrong.
But what about Primitive Root Weiner?????
It would indeed be “against” Rod Dreher if Rod were arguing for a separation from society; which of course he’s not. This should be obvious to anyone who’s actually read his book
Then you should have made it clearer, sir.
He just did.
It is quite clear in the book.
Man writes book about decline of civility and morality in society. Draws parallel with history and encourages a similar solution.
Another man, inspired by the writings of the first, takes the proposed solution and runs with it.
First man is upset. Says “That’s not what I meant.”
No Alasdair. That’s EXACTLY what you meant. The back pedaling is Virtue Signaling to the WOKE. Nothing more.
It literally is not what he meant. Read the book again.
Did you read ANY of After Virtue
Where is the eye roll reaction?