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Martha's death should have being a big subplot in the film rather than a event that happen off-screen. The whole film could have been about Superman dealing with this tragedy, feeling bad for not have spend more time with his mother. His reunion with Lana could give more depth to this, with Clark wondering how things could have been if he hadn't left Smallville. This is where the whole Clark Kent vs Superman could have play a role in it, with both representing Clark's way of dealing with this loss. Superman could represent Clark's anger while Clark Kent could represent his nostalgia and desire to go back to those old days, when he was just Clark Kent, a student, not a super hero with all responsability that prevent him from spending time with his loved ones. By the end of the battle, rather than Clark defeat Superman, it should end with both men open up about their emotional struggle and finally merging into one, representing Clark finding balance in his life.
Problem with the way you described this is, that both of those halves are negatives. The idea that Clark would desire to just go back and throw away all the good he did is extremely selfish. If anything the "selfish" Superman should represent the desire to go back and undo it all just for his personal happiness, while Clark should try to remind him of all the good he created because of his personal sacrifices. This could even be made quite literal with Superman actually threatening to turn back the time, i mean he can allready do that in this version of the story, and undo all the good. Maybe give some glimpses of all the horrors that would create, with Lex and Zod. I totally agree about the conclusion you came up with.
@@tehSunBro Totally. It would help to invoke his mother's death as well. Make it an accident. Superman argues that they have all this power yet they can't save everyone, not even the woman that raised them, why bother in a futile task? His grief fuels his turn just as much as the fake kryptonite: he hasn't forgiven himself. Clark argues that even if they can't save everyone, they do what they can. Think of all the people, all the loved ones they have saved. They may be Superman, but they're only one man. Beneath the invulnerable exterior, the Man of Steel is still vulnerable. Blow the VFX budget, get a double, whatever, Superman and Clark Kent tearfully embrace, moving past their grief, as the scene fades into Clark alone. He inspects his body, peeks under his shirt collar. Then he looks up into the sky, tears still in his eyes, and smiles. His expression turns to one of determination, ripping open his shirt to reveal the Superman suit, brightly colored once again.
Malcolm does an incredible Richard Pryor impression. This movie did him so dirty and so many of the writing and editing choices are just baffling. You're right, the super computer should've been the man bad guy, not that Lex Luthor ripoff. Also, that "turned into a robot" scene really messed me up as a kid.
The first time I saw this movie on television, I remember my cousin telling me how scary the sequence is, so I kept changing the channel and turning it back out of curiosity when the scene came. Didn't find it that disturbing. (Maybe because I was expecting it and my imagination had already built it up to be much worse than it was.)
I sincerely thought I was just an easily scared little kid when I talked about that scene scaring me, nobody else seems to remember it! Meanwhile I had a nightmare that my baby sister was turned into a robot. Oh, 80s, even 40 years later, the scars you left behind still remind me of your highly fucked up notion of children's entertainment!
@@dreamlandnightmare I was nine and my Brother was ten when the abomination known as Superman III premiered in 1983. Believe me, that scene was far more frightening on the big screen!! And even though, as Doug pointed out, that nightmarish transformation scene lasted mere minutes, the stop motion aspect of it must have been such a pain in the ass for actress Annie Ross who- I didn’t find out until much later- was a Jazz singer and also had quite an extensive film career.
Fun fact: Ross Webster would surprisingly become the inspiration for Lex Luthor in the rebooted continuity of “Superman” comics. Luthor goes from being the used car salesman hiding underground to the “beloved” CEO of a well-respected tech conglomerate.
Did you read that somewhere? They had the idea of a corporate the time he got the warsuit. It's just that they gave it to vandal at the time. But it was going to be Lex. But instead he got the warsuit.
If anyone is interested, John Byrn(?) modeld his version of Luthor on Donald Trump and other celebrity millionaire types, in his "Man of Steel" reboot for DC.
This is totally awesome, when you said the kid looks like he's waiting for Green lantern, that's when the video broke for an ad, and the ad was Ryan Reynolds for mint mobile.
Metallo would've fit really well for this film, just an evil, superpowered cyborg gangster, that would've been easy to write for and design for this universe.
Fun fact- the tower of Pisa took CENTURIES to build (things like wars interupted the construction) and it started leaning basically right away, it actually is shaped in a subtle curve to counterbalance against the lean (angled stone etc) and the room for the bells (yeah it's a bell tower it is built in the plaza of miracles next to a church) was built to be level even with the lean- so superman "straightening it" would not only ruin a cultural monument in the obvious sense, not only making all the adjustments to accomidate the lean, but it will just fall over later.
Actually it never stopped tipping sideways and was going to fall over without intervention. I think by the time this movie was released architects had started warning about it, though I'm sure that wasn't common knowledge, and they didn't begin trying to fix it until the 90s. For quite a while they had to anchor it with straps while engineers and geologists worked on the problem. At least one attempt to fix it backfired. I think they didn't solve it until the 2000s and the lean has been corrected a bit. So you could joke that Superman was being unknowingly helpful... But realistically he would have just destabilized the ground and probably caused it to fall even faster before it could be saved.
Love that Anette returned to the Superman universe in Smallville as Martha Kent. Also Christopher and Margot returned in Smallville; being Christopher’s last role before he passed away.
@@masere no he appeared in arrowverse Supergirl series as Lex but he does meet tom welling's clark in the crisis crossover, he did a pretty good job as lex but a bit jarring cus he played alan in 2 and a half men
Ah yes, Vera being assimilated is one of those iconic childhood trauma moments next to the libary ghost, Large Marge, Dan Aykroyd turning into a blue skinned demon (as well as the gremlin in the Nightmare at 20,000 Ft segment, the entirety of the 'It's A Good Life' segment but definitely Nancy Cartwright being trapped in a cartoon/the demon rabbit/the woman with no mouth), Michael Jackson turning into a werecat (and also the end of the video with his glowing eyes and the Vincent Price laugh), Amy Peterson from Fright Night with the razor sharp teeth (the image of her on the poster as an evil cloud onlooking on with her vampire face). Anything from Labyrinth but particularly 'The Cleaners' 'Helping Hands', and those Fieries that take their heads off. And from Dark Crystal, the Mystics, the Podling having his life drained, and those freaky demon vultures known as the Skeksis.
Robert Vaughn, the villain of Superman 3, played Napoleon Solo in "The Man From U.N.C.L.E" show. Henry Cavill, Superman of the DCEU, would also play Napoleon Solo in the "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." movie.
FUN FACT: Mr. Mxyzptlk was supposed to be the main villain of this movie, where he sent both Superman and Supergirl to a fairy tale world, where the two Kryptonians are doing... well, like Batman and Batgirl in The Killing Joke. Yeah, no joke. It almost happened.
I *_SO_* hope we get a Fanscription version of if Richard Donner directed this film and Superman IV! Maybe Metallo, Brainiac or Bizarro could fill the villain roles for said versions? And hey, maybe if they make their own “Superman V”, that could be where they can bring in Doomsday and do The Death of Superman story right this time.
@@heynae2016the original plans apparently involved Brainiac and Mr Mxysptlyk, I’ve heard Pryor was originally meant to play Mxy and honestly that’d be good casting
@@heynae2016 agreed, plus it would have given him a chance to do drama, cause whilst Mxy is hilarious, he’s also outright terrifying in what he’s willing to do just to mess with people
I like the Amadeus reference but now that you pointed it out, that scene makes me think of the Crow when Top Dollar says, "We oughta video tape this and play it back in slow motion."
It's a silly movie, but it was my first Superman movie. The Smallville plot was very nice, the Evil Superman/ Clark fight was cool, and Richard Pryer was funny at the time. The computer should've been Brainiac.
The one thing that at least makes the movie bearable is Christopher Reeve giving a great performance it has Superman and the fight scene between evil Superman and Clark Kent was definitely the highlight especially given of how long this film definitely didn't do very well from the previous two films
I remember when several deleted scenes were re-inserted during primetime television broadcasts of Superman III. In some of these scenes, Gus expresses reluctance to go along with Webster's schemes, but the latter keeps threatening Gus with a prison sentence over the embezzlement scheme if he refuses to comply. This made Richard Pryor's character seem more sympathetic. It also explains the scene in which Gorman tells Webster "You can't run that jail number on me anymore."
I had the full version on vhs. Proper opening credits, Superman rescuing a toddler from a tree, tons of extra dialogue. Example... When the coach gets to the chemical fire, edited has... Clark - "Hey, look at that." Jimmy -"Wow." The extra dialogue has... Jimmy - "What a beautiful sunset." Clark - "At 3 o'clock in the afternoon?"
It's time to mention the fan edit "Superman Redeemed" once again, which combines Superman 3 and 4 into one movie, and mainly keeps the best of both films
This definitely needs a fanscription where they take out Richard Pryor, the evil computer is Brainiac and either bring back Lex Luthor to replace Ross Webster or keep Webster and have him be Maxwell Lord instead. I haven't completely thought this through. I don't know much about Brainiac from the comics. He was alien who wiped out planets and preserved what remains of them in small bottles, am I right? I remember in the 90s animated series which came out 13 years after this film, he was Krypton's computer, so I don't know if he was a computer pre Superman III. Maybe a piece of him lands on earth and he can be used to create an A.I. computer.
Another Fun Fact: Christopher Reeve threatened not to return for this film, to protest Richard Donner's firing and because he hated the script. With the film already in pre-production, the producers scrambled to find an actor to play Superman. John Travolta was approached, but declined. Jeff Bridges and Kurt Russell were also considered, but they weren't interested. A few days before filming was set to begin, the Salkinds settled on Tony Danza as Clark Kent/Superman. Richard Lester was mortified with the casting of Danza, and pleaded for Reeve to return. Reeve eventually agreed, if he was allowed to change the script. The producers agreed. That's one popular rumor. Another is once Reeve found out Danza was lined up to replace him; he quickly got intimidated; having assumed the movie would be cancelled without his participation; and at that point Reeve relented.
Not true.. Never reported in any documentary I have ever seen and Reeve never discussed any of this in his book.. Pierre Spengler the films producer calls this rumor "Bullshit". Reeve had a contract that according to Spengler was re-negotiated for Superman 3..
I swear you got this from a Mr Sunday Movies video because he said exactly that almost word for word either that or Mr Sunday Movies read it from the same place you did and you both said it as written 😅😅
I quite like the premise. Make it about a down on his luck engineer or chemist who's employed by the villain to reproduce kryptonite to kill Superman. At first he refuses but he has a family and becomes an extremely reluctant accomplice. He manages to develop red kryptonite which at first disappoints the villain but it when its shown it makes Superman evil he thinks it's even better. Thats when its revealed his true plan: Metallo. He enlists a war hero to be the first subject for the project, who agrees because the villain says it will restore his lost limbs which he lost in combat. He intends to market it to the united states military as a super soldier and capitalizes on Superman's evil state by having Metallo beat him in a fight and save everyone. Eventually Metallo realizes hes lost all connection to humanity because he has no ability to feel with his metal skin. He goes berserk and becomes a parallel to Superman. He was noble, selfless, a war hero, but it cost him everything. And when he gets home he finds he was fighting for a corrupt, greedy and heartless society. He can only see the bad in people because of his experiences. And now He lost his limbs but now he's lost his whole body. People still think hes a hero sure, but he's also freak. More machine then Man, who can never belong. Have the scene where Clark splits in two sides like before, have the resolution involve the chemist help Superman beat Metallo and thar hammers home that people while flawed but capable of great goodness, like his father told him. They stop the bad guy from concerting more people into Metallo weapons and Hell, you can even have the super computer be the final boss like before. Supermans faith in human goodness is restored, the chemist turns over a new leaf and finds an humble but honest work cut to Superman flying into space and smiling at the camera.
So cool to see Annette o’toole in this franchise knowing she goes on to play Martha Kent in Smallville Also hilariously ironic she makes the comment about Clark’s mom given the role she would get
Bit of a trivia anecdote: Annette O'Toole has a huge Superman fan since she was a girl (when the producers of Smallville were talking to her about playing Martha Kent, she mentioned she played Lana in Superman III, and she suddenly made them feel like they were doing a Bible study with a nun, she was so far ahead of them). Anyway, in the documentary "Look! Up In The Sky!", she talks about how hadn't seen Chris Reeve in the suit until the scene where Superman flies in with the little brat he'd rescued, when he was lowered down in the flying rig, so she didn't see Chris, or Clark, she saw the Superman from her childhood, and went a little gaga.
When Superman III became such a big hit, it had a mix of action and comedy. It even had Richard Pryor in this epic sequel. Back in the day, the Nostalgia Critic himself, Doug Walker, was reviewing the top 11 dumbest Superman moments. There was even a from the movie clip where all the weird stuff happened. The only thing missing according to Doug is the humor.
If I were changing stuff in this movie, here’s what I do I have Richard Pryor play a villain called the Prankster for a couple scenes, have the giant computer be Brainiac and have David Bowie play Brainiac’s human looking form. Also, keep Lana Lang in the movie because Annette was great and that’s important for her getting to play Martha Kent in Smallville later on down the road. Sidebar, save the evil Superman story arc for the fourth movie instead of Nuclear Man, also, Jon Cryer would not play Lex Luther’s nephew, because that never made sense anyway. Instead, he would be a hero from the future, disguised as a villain.
@@22espec Yes, and Harley Quinn was originally created in Batman: the animated series, but now she’s everywhere! It could’ve been one of those transitional things!
Superman III had perhaps the smoothest production phase of all the Christopher Reeve Superman films, but still had to suffer heavy re-writes after the original script featuring Brainiac and Supergirl was rejected, since it was considered too expensive to film because of its inferior budget compared to the previous two movies (plus, they wanted to give Supergirl her own movie). Reeve did not want to play Superman once again, partly because he was fed up with the role and partly because he felt that Donner had been unfairly treated, leading the producers to scramble for replacements (Tony Danza was heavily considered for Reeve’s role). It was only when they allowed Reeve veto power over the script that they got him back. Apparently Lois Lane’s role was reduced to five minutes after actress Margot Kidder publicly expressed some sympathy for Donner after the Salkinds fired him. Taking Donner and Kidder’s side, Hackman refused to return for this film. The video game that Ross Webster plays in the film was developed especially for the movie but had to be downgraded because the original version was considered too realistic for 1983. Richard Pryor was coked out of his brains during filming. On top of all that, a threatened lawsuit from the producers of Kramer vs. Kramer forced the originally-planned title, Superman vs. Superman: Superman III to be ditched, after the Salkinds decided it wasn't worth the fight.
Indeed, some elements of the idea of Brainiac being the villain are still in there: The Super computer, cyborg assimilation, and the adapting ray - which if you look at it, has Brainiacs tri-pointing symbol/design on it... subtle nods/hints to what might have been...
@@SiliqueathBelieve it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse. Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.) Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
21:09 Wonder if this inspired that Superman bar joke. The one where he keeps impressing another random bar patron. With his antics of jumping out the bar's high story window after downing some drinks. But coming back unharmed or phased. Which in turn after watching these extraordinary unexplained feet. Inspires the random bar patron to attempt the same theatrics after swallowing a shot himself. Which ends with the guy presumably plummeting to his own demise. And the bar tender exclaims- you got one sick sense of humor Superman!
@@joshuabunting882 Yep, the first time he flew it was a mistake by an artist who didn't understand Superman's powers. The Fleischer cartoons also popularized ability to fly.
I heard that Superman's ability to fly happened by accident. In later issues after his debut, some artists misinterpreted his big leaps as just flying.
In the original script, the villain was Brainiac and of that only the supercomputer remained. Also, Batman appeared behind the scenes in that scene, there are photos of it.
In the original script Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... FUCK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.) Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then fuck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (Fuck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
Believe it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse. Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.) Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
@@kittycatmeowmeow963 Ah it just seems like their processing their favorite comedian performing a subpar performance ^^’ can’t blame em, we all had that moment when we feel broken seeing one of our favs perform abysmally
@@supermegaman88something like that. I’ve never seen Pryor in anything else and I’ve been told he was amazing. So to see this………….god I need to remind myself he was amazing. And don’t lie we all do
@@jessedellross3245 Heh with you there bud. Feeling is mutual whenever I see Lewis black in a pg movie (unless it’s inside out, they somehow made him funny) I recommend you go see one of pryors previous performances in a movie or comedy performance, then maybe blame the writers or director :P helps me a ton
Another review for this movie had an interesting idea of what if Richard Pryor was Mr. Mxyzptlk. That would actually make a lot of sense. Especially with all the chaos happening in the first few minutes of the first act.
The Extended TV Cut of *"SUPERMAN* *III"* had the opening credits take place in outer space (using the footage from the first film), before we're introduced to August "Gus" Gorman.
I used to have the full version on vhs. Opening credits, Superman rescuing a toddler from a tree, loads of extra dialogue. In fact, a dvd boxset of all four films should have had that version, but mistakenly had the edited version. I was disappointed when I bought it, but didn't know the extended version should have been included, and that you could send it back for a replacement.
The main villain of this movie should have been Metallo or Brainiac. Cyborg Superman's first appearance was after the Death of Superman event in the early 90s.
The idea of Synthetic Kryptonite is actually a really good one, but it should someone like Lex or Bruno Mannheim making it, not some random new character. I feel as though the 'Red Kryptonite' Superman story only works when people know Clark, and it parallels the Spiderman Symbiote storyline.
Another Fun Fact: August "Gus" Gorman steals money from his company by collecting fractions of a cent from other accounts and depositing them in his personal account. In computer crime terminology, it's called "salami shaving."
1:38 I think there's a lot of potential to Krypto. Has anyone read Grant Morrison's Action Comics run? In Action Comics #13, Krypto becomes like a guardian angel watching over Kal-El, when he's sent to Earth. Krypto was 'made' by Jor-El for his son. And was lost in the Phantom Zone while protecting the baby Kal and his parents. In the Phantom Zone you exist like a ghost. You can see others. But others can't see you. So, Krypto like a faithful dog actually watches over Superman. Almost like a watchful guardian. He was always there with him. Especially during his low points like loosing his parents Martha and Jonathan. But Kal couldn't see or sense Krypto. Till he's reunited with him on escaping the Phantom Zone. That's a pretty good story of a dog and his master. Even when he's separated by worlds his love and loyalty for Kal never wavers.
If anything, Brainiac should've been the final boss since he more or less is a supercomputer. Superman facing his inner demons was a neat concept that definitely could've been expanded upon for most of the movie. Have Brainaic be the one to corrupt Superman and Clark needed to escape from within and beat the corruption.
Everybody thinks the same, the problem was... they thought they needed a big backstory for the supercomputer when they could have skipped all the story with the thing already built and in the process of conquering earth and just tell Brainiac's story in some short flashbacks but sadly noone was smart to think about it.
@@huntercoleman460Ooh boy. Now The Toy is one of those movies that has aged terribly. It's basically a movie about a young rich boy buying a black man. Surprise Surprise the boy's dad is a racist confederate.
This is one of those movie I watched so often as a kid that it’s hard to evaluate as an adult. Back then, I had no idea Pryor was a comedian, so I just perceived Gus as a quirky character. I think it still works as long as you’re not expecting pure comedy. Regarding the junkyard fight scene, I’m not sure a verbal duel would have worked. I think the fight was supposed to be purely symbolic, and it worked on that level.
I'm just waiting for the part of the review where a tar contaminated Superman Credit Card causes him to split into Doug Walker and Evil Nostalgia Critic.
I maintain this is worse than Quest for Peace. QfP at least seems to be in the spirit of the first movie, it's just a victim of low budget. SMIII just doesn't mesh with Reeves franchise at all. It's like the director and producers' only take on the superhero genre was the Adam West Batman, and they couldn't stand to deviate it from it. SMIII actually has all the same issues as Thor Love and Thunder. The people that made it clearly think the humor is the most important aspect of the movie and that the humor should focus on quantity over quality. The end result is a stream of gags and jokes to the point the movie is beating over the head with them.
The only thing I remember from this movie that I probably watched once as a child is the computer turning the lady into a robot. Absolutely horrified me.
The villain really should've been Brainiac. It would've tied in well with the pre-existing Super Computer idea, it would explain Gus's excentricities mixed in with bouts of unexplained competence (that being Gus is accually posessed by Brainiac, and is able to do all of this stuff, but wants to distract people with his odd behavior so nobody suspects him), and it could even reveal that Gus is Brainiac by having the afro be a wig, and Gus taking it off would show us the circular pattern on Brainiac's forehead. The computer can even robotisize Gus to make him even more like Brainiac from the comics, and Superman could, I guess, do that body fission thing he did when he split into good Clark and evil Superman for that personal battle thing on Gus to save him from Brainiac. Make that earlier scene make sense.
Gus Gorman is really the equivalent of Edward Nygma. Both played by comedians. Both nerds who wanted to be recognised by their superiors. The only difference is Gus repents at the end.
Richard Pryor pre-fire and post-fire are like two completely different people. Some of the roles he took in the 80s were a disgrace to his talents. They paid him a lot of money though, so there's that.
This shows how much Richard Donner was responsible for keeping the previous movies from turning to crap. Earlier scripts for the first movie were also filled with unfunny comedy, too. Donner got rid of all that crap, but he wasn't there for III.
Despite how bad Superman III was compared to the first two, I still really liked Annette O'Toole as Lana Lang. She was perfect for the part. Thanks for reviewing this!
Superman 3 was such a massive disappointment. Brainiac should've been the villain. Or Bizarro. Arnold as Bizarro? He wouldve been perfect. Limitied dialogue. Between Conan and Terminator.
21:39 my favorite variation on the meme cuts to the animated series with Superman looking like he's flying drunk and crashing into random buildings. rather than just showing the initial shot, it gives us an aftermath of what happened that night
I find it interesting that the Richard Pryor character also inspired Baxter Stockman from the TMNT. I know he mistly gets the short end of the stick, but he's my favorite TMNT antagonist.
Another Fun Fact: Although the teenage Clark Kent was played by Jeff East in Superman (1978), a teenage image of Christopher Reeve is seen hanging in the gymnasium during the Smallville High reunion scene.
Superman III happens to be my favorite. It was the first one I remember seeing probably around 6 or 7 years old. The scene of the Clark/Superman fight in the junkyard, the stuff with Richard Pryor and I remember being scared watching Superman fight the machine and the sister, and the acid. There was also the scene of a 'video game' and just a few years later there was an arcade version of Superman.
Fun fact: Russ Webster was actually the inspiration for the modern Lex Luthor. How? People often confuse Webster for being a boring knockoff version of Lex, when it's actually not the case. When Superman 3 came out, Lex in the comics was more of a mad scientist/underground arch-criminal. It's only in 1986 when DC rebooted the timeline and made Lex into the evil and manipulative businessman we know him today. A full three years after Superman 3. Modern Lex even has a sister and an attractive assistant just like Webster. So when you watch this film remember that Webster was an original character that influenced the comics. Not the other way around. I honestly don't hate this movie, it's entertaining enough imo. Lana Lang was great, the evil Superman scenes and the junkyard fight are a standout. Btw, I think that people miss the point of "evil Superman". And that's because he wasn't technically "evil", he was more like "Superman under the influence", or "drug addict Superman". That's why his behavior was more juvenile and uncaring rather than evil. What's interesting is that Gus actually made red Kryptonite, but it's green in the movie for some reason. Many of these elements in the movie are actually from the early comics..
I find it kinda cool that the same actress that plays Lana in this movie later plays Clark's mom in Smallville. And there is a cameo of Reeve as a scientist that discovers Krypton's fate. It's just awesome that the series really tried to get the cameos to actually make an homage to superman.
So, If you read the info for this movie on a satellite TV guide, it says the unknown element in the kryptonite is tobacco tar. I'm not even kidding; Nicotine plus Kryptonite apparently equals evil superman.
This movie REALLY jumped the shark with the traffic lights, then did it again with the skiing down the skyscraper and surviving scene. As you said, playing evil is far more effective when you're doing less, as Jeff Bridges proved in Iron Man, not jumping around the place cackling like the Joker.
And another thing! I think if after this film, the Supergirl should have included more ties to the Superman movies like maybe a cameo appearance by Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent but not as Superman.
Another Fun Fact: The song "Earth Angel" by The Penguins is played during the Smallville High School reunion dance attended by Clark Kent and Lana Lang. It was also played during the "Enchantment Under the Sea" dance at Hill Valley High School on November 12, 1955 in Back to the Future (1985). Marc McClure (Jimmy Olsen) also appeared in that film as Marty McFly's elder brother Dave McFly. also The Beatles cover of "Roll Over Beethoven" plays during the Smallville High School Reunion dance. Richard Lester also directed the Beatles' first two films, A Hard Day's Night (1964) and Help! (1965).
especially since Sofia Coppola's performance could be fixed by someone of enough prominence in the movie (doesn't have to be Mike Corleone) saying that she doesn't speak fluent English. and fixing Jake Lloyd's performance is just simply acknowledging THAT HE WAS A KID, OH MY GOD! GIVE IT A REST! JUST DON'T WATCH IT, GO RIGHT TO ATTACK OF THE CLONES AND FILL IN THE BLANKS YOURSELF, MY GOD! (seriously, after reading that you should start from 'A New Hope' (or Rogue One AND THEN a New Hope), Empire Strikes Back, use Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith as flashbacks and any Clone Wars era installments in-between as well, if you want, AND THEN watch Return of the Jedi, it blew my mind)
Doug, it would mean a lot to me if you reviewed these following movies: - Wild Thornberrys Movie (starring Tim Curry and Lacey Chabert) - Blast from the Past (starring Brendan Fraser and Christopher Walken) - Undercover Brother (starring Neil Patrick Harris and Dave Chappelle) - Igor (an animated film starring John Cusack and Steve Buscemi) - Spiderwick Chronicles (starring Freddie Highmore and Seth Rogen) - Penelope (starring Christina Ricci and James McAvoy) - Aliens in the Attic (starring Kevin Nealon and Doris Roberts) - The 10th Kingdom (a miniseries starring John Larroquette and Dianne Wiest) Thank you very much and please accept my requests.
This could have been about Brainiac or Bizarro (which kinda exists in this movie), but we got a comedian who could have worked if he was Mitzelplik (- ^ )
Believe it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse. Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.) Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV. Suddenly, drunk Superman and Richard Pryor aren't so bad after all, hmm?
The real shame about this movie is that Ilya Salkind says that his original treat for this film was going to be a much bigger, cosmic production that, yes, would have actually pulled more from the comics. Brainiac would have been featured as the main villain, Supergirl would have been introduced with a love triangle forming between her, Brainiac and Superman (strange and creepy choice, I know) and even Mr. Myxzptlk would have made an appearance. However, Warner Brothers rejected that treatment because they thought it would be too complex and expensive. Some elements did remain in the final film, including Superman splitting into his good and evil self (though why the evil Superman isn't just Bizarro is beyond me), and the supercomputer element is what remains of Brainiac's presence. All these years later, not only are we stuck with this movie, but we are still barely scratching the surface of Superman villains on film. How we still haven't gotten Brainiac by now is so disappointing to me. By the way, if you do want an idea of what a Christopher Reeve's Superman vs. Brainiac movie could have been, read the comic Superman '78. I recommend it, along with Batman '89.
The Supergirl TV show had a pretty funny recreation of the drunk Superman moment from this movie. At the point she was also affected by red kryptonite. All she was missing was the stubble.
Here's some fun stuff for people that want better versions of parts of this film so to speak. - "I am the villain of this story." ~ Lex Luthor, Smallville (S4E17). Similar to the "fake Kryptonite" plot of this movie, Lex Luthor is split in two, his "good half" and "evil half". Basically some of the most iconic scenes in the Superman Mythos, period. Michael Rosenbaum absolutely slaughters as Lex Luthor in the entire series and this is one of those incredible performances. - "H.A.R.D.A.C.: Humans make errors in judgment. It is sometimes necessary to protect them from their own inadequacies." ~ BTAS (S1): "Heart of Steel" Parts 1 & 2. Again, incredibly similar to the "Brainiac" portion of this film, with H.A.R.D.A.C. being a rogue AI that creates android duplicates to replace various characters. Notable mention as being the introduction to Barbara Gordon who ultimately plays a part in saving Batman's life. (For reference to just how similar, you'll find a retrospective on this same channel as part of "Bat-May"! Oh yeah, it's already been 2 years.) - Surprisingly there have been countless stories to use similar key points that were featured in this movie, all over the DC Mythos, from the animated stuff to various shows.
I was a kid when III came out, and yes, that robot part was INCREDIBLY freaky!!! The weird thing about this movie, I always forget which parts are III and which parts are IV. They've kind of melded together on my memories!
To quote the Late great Norm MacDonald and something i'm sure Richard Pryor might be thinking about is "If you're in charge of your own destiny, then it's not destiny."
Right after "he looks like he was waiting the green lantern!" TH-cam immediately cut to a mint mobile ad with Ryan Reynolds, that HAS to be intentional, I am hysterical rn! 🤣
My favourite fun fact about superboy is his power... see Connor Kent, superboy doesn't have the flight or superstrenght of his kryptonian namesake. He isn't even kryptonian so kryptonite has no effecr. His power is tactile telekinesis. IE he can move shit through the air by touching it. By clenching a fist, he can fly. By touching an oil barge, he can lift it, and he can deflect bullets when they touch his skin. This all creates the illusion of flight superstrength speed, etc.
This Superman movie is watchable because of Richard Pryor, the reason I even watched this movie! Also Richard Pryor’s career wasn’t impacted because of this movie, he was dealing with health issues! Rip Richard Pryor.
@@chadharger9323 the script was terrible, but it’s not the fault of the cast, both Christopher Reeve and Richard Pryor were just acting for their roles!
My cousin pointed out that this one was like they were trying to make two different movies at once. A superman movie and a comedy Richard Prior movie melded together. While this one isn't my favourite, I still find it fun, but just for the parts mentioned, like the fight in the scrap yard and the ending with the super computer.
Yikes....this movie is pretty bad. What are your thoughts on Superman 3?
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Super-Month continues in memory of Christopher Reeve/Richard Pryor & Margot Kidder
after Supermonth is over, review:
* Norbit (long awaited request)
* The Benchwarmers (DO NOT REVIEW ITS SEQUEL)
* The Spy Next Door (for Nostalgia-ween)
* The New Guy
* Without a Paddle (DO NOT REVIEW ITS SEQUEL)
* A Night at the Roxbury
* Planet 51
* Big Momma’s House trilogy (as a all 3 in 1 full review)
* Date Night
* Megamind
* Rush Hour trilogy (as a all 3 in 1 full review & the 4th movie is greenlit)
* Bad Boys trilogy (as a all 3 in 1 full review & the 4th movie is coming this summer)
* Gay Purr-ee
* Hey Arnold the movie
* The Wild Thornberrys Movie
* Looney Tunes Back in Action
You think this is bad? Just wait until you see Superman 4: The Quest for Peace.
After the supermonth, please do the ,,G-force" movie review, because it is day 171! Please Doug, i'm a big fan!
@@havdroid9769 if theres no episode for it until December: it will likely be a Disneycember review
Martha's death should have being a big subplot in the film rather than a event that happen off-screen. The whole film could have been about Superman dealing with this tragedy, feeling bad for not have spend more time with his mother. His reunion with Lana could give more depth to this, with Clark wondering how things could have been if he hadn't left Smallville.
This is where the whole Clark Kent vs Superman could have play a role in it, with both representing Clark's way of dealing with this loss. Superman could represent Clark's anger while Clark Kent could represent his nostalgia and desire to go back to those old days, when he was just Clark Kent, a student, not a super hero with all responsability that prevent him from spending time with his loved ones.
By the end of the battle, rather than Clark defeat Superman, it should end with both men open up about their emotional struggle and finally merging into one, representing Clark finding balance in his life.
That would have been nice too!
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DAILY PLANET'S JINGO BINGO
Problem with the way you described this is, that both of those halves are negatives. The idea that Clark would desire to just go back and throw away all the good he did is extremely selfish.
If anything the "selfish" Superman should represent the desire to go back and undo it all just for his personal happiness, while Clark should try to remind him of all the good he created because of his personal sacrifices. This could even be made quite literal with Superman actually threatening to turn back the time, i mean he can allready do that in this version of the story, and undo all the good. Maybe give some glimpses of all the horrors that would create, with Lex and Zod.
I totally agree about the conclusion you came up with.
@@tehSunBro Totally. It would help to invoke his mother's death as well. Make it an accident. Superman argues that they have all this power yet they can't save everyone, not even the woman that raised them, why bother in a futile task? His grief fuels his turn just as much as the fake kryptonite: he hasn't forgiven himself. Clark argues that even if they can't save everyone, they do what they can. Think of all the people, all the loved ones they have saved. They may be Superman, but they're only one man. Beneath the invulnerable exterior, the Man of Steel is still vulnerable. Blow the VFX budget, get a double, whatever, Superman and Clark Kent tearfully embrace, moving past their grief, as the scene fades into Clark alone. He inspects his body, peeks under his shirt collar. Then he looks up into the sky, tears still in his eyes, and smiles. His expression turns to one of determination, ripping open his shirt to reveal the Superman suit, brightly colored once again.
Malcolm does an incredible Richard Pryor impression. This movie did him so dirty and so many of the writing and editing choices are just baffling. You're right, the super computer should've been the man bad guy, not that Lex Luthor ripoff. Also, that "turned into a robot" scene really messed me up as a kid.
Yeah, that scene was messed up.
The first time I saw this movie on television, I remember my cousin telling me how scary the sequence is, so I kept changing the channel and turning it back out of curiosity when the scene came. Didn't find it that disturbing. (Maybe because I was expecting it and my imagination had already built it up to be much worse than it was.)
The robot scene was in my nightmares for years..
I sincerely thought I was just an easily scared little kid when I talked about that scene scaring me, nobody else seems to remember it! Meanwhile I had a nightmare that my baby sister was turned into a robot. Oh, 80s, even 40 years later, the scars you left behind still remind me of your highly fucked up notion of children's entertainment!
@@dreamlandnightmare I was nine and my Brother was ten when the abomination known as Superman III premiered in 1983. Believe me, that scene was far more frightening on the big screen!!
And even though, as Doug pointed out, that nightmarish transformation scene lasted mere minutes, the stop motion aspect of it must have been such a pain in the ass for actress Annie Ross who- I didn’t find out until much later- was a Jazz singer and also had quite an extensive film career.
Malcom's Richard Pryor impression is hilarious
I completely agree with you
It’s….SHOCKINGLY good.
Better than the actual movie
And that ski building clip was used in two previous NC videos
Points for keeping it consistent
I want to see a skit with Pat Buttram Walter and Richard Pryor Malcom
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah, I agree 😂😂😂😂😂
Fun fact: Ross Webster would surprisingly become the inspiration for Lex Luthor in the rebooted continuity of “Superman” comics. Luthor goes from being the used car salesman hiding underground to the “beloved” CEO of a well-respected tech conglomerate.
Did you read that somewhere?
They had the idea of a corporate the time he got the warsuit. It's just that they gave it to vandal at the time. But it was going to be Lex. But instead he got the warsuit.
If anyone is interested, John Byrn(?) modeld his version of Luthor on Donald Trump and other celebrity millionaire types, in his "Man of Steel" reboot for DC.
@@DSan-kl2yc it was from “Minty Comedic Arts”.
This is totally awesome, when you said the kid looks like he's waiting for Green lantern, that's when the video broke for an ad, and the ad was Ryan Reynolds for mint mobile.
🤣
That’s ironic.
Saaaaame. It was PERFECT
Ha, MINT Mobile
As a kid, that fight scene between Clark & evil superman at the scrapyard was LEGENDARY.
Metallo would've fit really well for this film, just an evil, superpowered cyborg gangster, that would've been easy to write for and design for this universe.
Metallo leading an army of robotized slaves would be cool
@@naamadossantossilva4736 problem was that plan already been used by terminator skynet, hell even ultron mcu also do the same
@@darkman7009 both Terminator and the MCU weren't a thing when this movie came out though
Or even a comic book accurate Bizaro Superman
I think Bizzaro would be fine. Metallo is what we should see in Batman vs Superman!
Fun fact- the tower of Pisa took CENTURIES to build (things like wars interupted the construction) and it started leaning basically right away, it actually is shaped in a subtle curve to counterbalance against the lean (angled stone etc) and the room for the bells (yeah it's a bell tower it is built in the plaza of miracles next to a church) was built to be level even with the lean- so superman "straightening it" would not only ruin a cultural monument in the obvious sense, not only making all the adjustments to accomidate the lean, but it will just fall over later.
They kept building it even after it started leaning?
Actually it never stopped tipping sideways and was going to fall over without intervention. I think by the time this movie was released architects had started warning about it, though I'm sure that wasn't common knowledge, and they didn't begin trying to fix it until the 90s. For quite a while they had to anchor it with straps while engineers and geologists worked on the problem. At least one attempt to fix it backfired. I think they didn't solve it until the 2000s and the lean has been corrected a bit. So you could joke that Superman was being unknowingly helpful... But realistically he would have just destabilized the ground and probably caused it to fall even faster before it could be saved.
These "fun facts" are starting to seem as if they are AI generated!
This isn't the only time when Annette O'Toole was involved in a Superman production. She also played Martha Kent in the TV series Smallville.
I'm surprised Doug didn't mention that.
That’s right.
She even reunited with Margot Kidder for a scene, Season 4, Episode 1.
@@bl3343 He did, watch the review of Superman the movie he did 2 weeks ago. He mentions it.
@@bl3343I think he did in the previous video
Love that Anette returned to the Superman universe in Smallville as Martha Kent. Also Christopher and Margot returned in Smallville; being Christopher’s last role before he passed away.
Also Terence stamp the actor who played Zod in superman 2 voiced jor-el in the fortress of solitude in smallville
@@clintbrew true, thanks for the reminder
And wasn't Superman IV's John Cryer in Smallville too?
@@masere no he appeared in arrowverse Supergirl series as Lex but he does meet tom welling's clark in the crisis crossover, he did a pretty good job as lex but a bit jarring cus he played alan in 2 and a half men
@@masere no, he played Lex in Supergirl
I love that LEGO Batman 2 got its recipe for fake Kryptonite from this movie. I think that's the biggest impact this film had on DC as a whole.
Shame it didn't teach DC to not make boring Superman movies.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 here's hoping James Gunn will give us a winner
Wait hold on the Lego Batman Movie got a sequel? When did that happen?
@@Vegeta241 no, it was a video game in the same vein as LEGO Star Wars that came out in 2012z
@@Vegeta241 that's the video game LEGO Batman 2
Ah yes, Vera being assimilated is one of those iconic childhood trauma moments next to the libary ghost, Large Marge, Dan Aykroyd turning into a blue skinned demon (as well as the gremlin in the Nightmare at 20,000 Ft segment, the entirety of the 'It's A Good Life' segment but definitely Nancy Cartwright being trapped in a cartoon/the demon rabbit/the woman with no mouth), Michael Jackson turning into a werecat (and also the end of the video with his glowing eyes and the Vincent Price laugh), Amy Peterson from Fright Night with the razor sharp teeth (the image of her on the poster as an evil cloud onlooking on with her vampire face). Anything from Labyrinth but particularly 'The Cleaners' 'Helping Hands', and those Fieries that take their heads off. And from Dark Crystal, the Mystics, the Podling having his life drained, and those freaky demon vultures known as the Skeksis.
Don't forget Willy Wonka's tunnel, Return to Oz/Dark Crystal and the Poltergeist clown doll
The death of Artax in the Neverending story. The shoe in whoframed Roger rabbit. There's just so many.
@@TheKrensada Yep and also Plague Dogs and Watership Down.
large marge... christ. haven't heard that name in years, but i still see her face clear as day 20 years later LMFAO.
Robert Vaughn, the villain of Superman 3, played Napoleon Solo in "The Man From U.N.C.L.E" show. Henry Cavill, Superman of the DCEU, would also play Napoleon Solo in the "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." movie.
Funny how that sort of thing happens
That’s weird.
Robert Vaughn was a villain in almost everything from the mid 70's and 80's! XD
@@Alondro77i seen him as a murderer in a couple of columbo episodes playing a different character
@@Alondro77 Late 60s too. He’s in a lot of McQueen movies. He’s a good supporting player when he’s not a main guy
FUN FACT: Mr. Mxyzptlk was supposed to be the main villain of this movie, where he sent both Superman and Supergirl to a fairy tale world, where the two Kryptonians are doing... well, like Batman and Batgirl in The Killing Joke. Yeah, no joke. It almost happened.
And his name backwards
Kltpzyxm
I can't necessarily tell if it would've been a good idea, but it would've been atleast absolutely insane
@@MisterXenomorph Really ? How so ?
thank God they scrapped that...if they didn't, we would not have had this masterpiece *sarcasm*
You know I’m now glad we got this, knowing it could have been worse
I *_SO_* hope we get a Fanscription version of if Richard Donner directed this film and Superman IV! Maybe Metallo, Brainiac or Bizarro could fill the villain roles for said versions? And hey, maybe if they make their own “Superman V”, that could be where they can bring in Doomsday and do The Death of Superman story right this time.
I'd love to see that.
I did enjoyed the Fanscription
of Tim Burton's *"BATMAN*
*FOREVER"* and *"BATMAN & ROBIN".*
I think in the script, Brainiac was supposed to be there based off that scene where the super computer possesses that Luthor lady
@@heynae2016the original plans apparently involved Brainiac and Mr Mxysptlyk, I’ve heard Pryor was originally meant to play Mxy and honestly that’d be good casting
@mrcritical6751 oh awesome! That would've been good since he's such a fast talker. I loved that guy in the animated series, he was a great foil.
@@heynae2016 agreed, plus it would have given him a chance to do drama, cause whilst Mxy is hilarious, he’s also outright terrifying in what he’s willing to do just to mess with people
It will never not be baffling when a movie hires a Comedian and then refuses to allow said comedian to be funny
It's baffling when a comedian takes a role not meant to be comedic and fails miserably.
especially the one that wikipedia deems to be the greatest comedian of all time
Pryer could've been the Chris Tucker in Rush hour of this movie... SMH
It's more ironic that Malcolm was actually funnier doing an impression of pyror then the movie itself
That was a great impression of Richard Pryor.
And Pryor can be tough to imitate without sounding like a drunk Eddie Murphy.
I like the Amadeus reference but now that you pointed it out, that scene makes me think of the Crow when Top Dollar says, "We oughta video tape this and play it back in slow motion."
It's a silly movie, but it was my first Superman movie. The Smallville plot was very nice, the Evil Superman/ Clark fight was cool, and Richard Pryer was funny at the time. The computer should've been Brainiac.
And the 'turning into a robot' scene was genuinely terrifying. I saw it as a kid and yeah, it haunted me.
It ain't as bad of a movie as people make out. The evil superman fighting in the scrap yard is one of my favourite scenes in all the movies.
@@greenwendal5056 It's definitely better than Superman IV. (Of course, that says more about the latter.)
I agree with everything you said except Richard Pryor being funny in this movie.
I'm not sure if it's true, but I remember hearing that the movie originally WAS supposed to be about Braniac.
The woman getting turned into a cyborg isn't the creepiest scene. Superman sleazing up Lana is
Him sleezing up Lana feels like a scene ripped right out of The Boys
And good thing she isn’t 14
Superman fans will get the reference
The one thing that at least makes the movie bearable is Christopher Reeve giving a great performance it has Superman and the fight scene between evil Superman and Clark Kent was definitely the highlight especially given of how long this film definitely didn't do very well from the previous two films
I remember when several deleted scenes were re-inserted during primetime television broadcasts of Superman III.
In some of these scenes, Gus expresses reluctance to go along with Webster's schemes, but the latter keeps threatening Gus with a prison sentence over the embezzlement scheme if he refuses to comply. This made Richard Pryor's character seem more sympathetic. It also explains the scene in which Gorman tells Webster "You can't run that jail number on me anymore."
I had the full version on vhs. Proper opening credits, Superman rescuing a toddler from a tree, tons of extra dialogue.
Example...
When the coach gets to the chemical fire, edited has...
Clark - "Hey, look at that."
Jimmy -"Wow."
The extra dialogue has...
Jimmy - "What a beautiful sunset."
Clark - "At 3 o'clock in the afternoon?"
It's time to mention the fan edit "Superman Redeemed" once again, which combines Superman 3 and 4 into one movie, and mainly keeps the best of both films
What did they keep and what did they get rid of?
Hold on.
There are the best elements of Superman 3?
I guess I understand keeping the end credits, but.....
This definitely needs a fanscription where they take out Richard Pryor, the evil computer is Brainiac and either bring back Lex Luthor to replace Ross Webster or keep Webster and have him be Maxwell Lord instead. I haven't completely thought this through. I don't know much about Brainiac from the comics. He was alien who wiped out planets and preserved what remains of them in small bottles, am I right? I remember in the 90s animated series which came out 13 years after this film, he was Krypton's computer, so I don't know if he was a computer pre Superman III. Maybe a piece of him lands on earth and he can be used to create an A.I. computer.
"defiantly"
@@pvanukoffI know it’s supposed to be definitely but how about undeniably?
@@pvanukoff that was not what I meant. Damn spell check.
Good Idea. And yes Brainiac is a Coluan Cyborg. His objectives do vary from accumulating info to bottling up specimen from various planets...
Another Fun Fact: Christopher Reeve threatened not to return for this film, to protest Richard Donner's firing and because he hated the script. With the film already in pre-production, the producers scrambled to find an actor to play Superman. John Travolta was approached, but declined. Jeff Bridges and Kurt Russell were also considered, but they weren't interested. A few days before filming was set to begin, the Salkinds settled on Tony Danza as Clark Kent/Superman. Richard Lester was mortified with the casting of Danza, and pleaded for Reeve to return. Reeve eventually agreed, if he was allowed to change the script. The producers agreed. That's one popular rumor. Another is once Reeve found out Danza was lined up to replace him; he quickly got intimidated; having assumed the movie would be cancelled without his participation; and at that point Reeve relented.
Copy and paste from IMDB, huh?
Not true.. Never reported in any documentary I have ever seen and Reeve never discussed any of this in his book.. Pierre Spengler the films producer calls this rumor "Bullshit". Reeve had a contract that according to Spengler was re-negotiated for Superman 3..
I wonder why Travolta, Bridges and Russell declined? It’s the role of a life time
I swear you got this from a Mr Sunday Movies video because he said exactly that almost word for word either that or Mr Sunday Movies read it from the same place you did and you both said it as written 😅😅
@@ANDCFC95Probably because Reeves came back they just went with him and didn't follow through with the casting of the others
I quite like the premise. Make it about a down on his luck engineer or chemist who's employed by the villain to reproduce kryptonite to kill Superman. At first he refuses but he has a family and becomes an extremely reluctant accomplice. He manages to develop red kryptonite which at first disappoints the villain but it when its shown it makes Superman evil he thinks it's even better. Thats when its revealed his true plan: Metallo. He enlists a war hero to be the first subject for the project, who agrees because the villain says it will restore his lost limbs which he lost in combat. He intends to market it to the united states military as a super soldier and capitalizes on Superman's evil state by having Metallo beat him in a fight and save everyone. Eventually Metallo realizes hes lost all connection to humanity because he has no ability to feel with his metal skin. He goes berserk and becomes a parallel to Superman. He was noble, selfless, a war hero, but it cost him everything. And when he gets home he finds he was fighting for a corrupt, greedy and heartless society. He can only see the bad in people because of his experiences. And now He lost his limbs but now he's lost his whole body. People still think hes a hero sure, but he's also freak. More machine then Man, who can never belong. Have the scene where Clark splits in two sides like before, have the resolution involve the chemist help Superman beat Metallo and thar hammers home that people while flawed but capable of great goodness, like his father told him. They stop the bad guy from concerting more people into Metallo weapons and Hell, you can even have the super computer be the final boss like before. Supermans faith in human goodness is restored, the chemist turns over a new leaf and finds an humble but honest work cut to Superman flying into space and smiling at the camera.
So cool to see Annette o’toole in this franchise knowing she goes on to play Martha Kent in Smallville
Also hilariously ironic she makes the comment about Clark’s mom given the role she would get
"Hey Clark, I heard you mom died? Well, I'll be your mommy."
Bit of a trivia anecdote: Annette O'Toole has a huge Superman fan since she was a girl (when the producers of Smallville were talking to her about playing Martha Kent, she mentioned she played Lana in Superman III, and she suddenly made them feel like they were doing a Bible study with a nun, she was so far ahead of them). Anyway, in the documentary "Look! Up In The Sky!", she talks about how hadn't seen Chris Reeve in the suit until the scene where Superman flies in with the little brat he'd rescued, when he was lowered down in the flying rig, so she didn't see Chris, or Clark, she saw the Superman from her childhood, and went a little gaga.
When Superman III became such a big hit, it had a mix of action and comedy. It even had Richard Pryor in this epic sequel.
Back in the day, the Nostalgia Critic himself, Doug Walker, was reviewing the top 11 dumbest Superman moments. There was even a from the movie clip where all the weird stuff happened. The only thing missing according to Doug is the humor.
If I were changing stuff in this movie, here’s what I do I have Richard Pryor play a villain called the Prankster for a couple scenes, have the giant computer be Brainiac and have David Bowie play Brainiac’s human looking form. Also, keep Lana Lang in the movie because Annette was great and that’s important for her getting to play Martha Kent in Smallville later on down the road.
Sidebar, save the evil Superman story arc for the fourth movie instead of Nuclear Man, also, Jon Cryer would not play Lex Luther’s nephew, because that never made sense anyway. Instead, he would be a hero from the future, disguised as a villain.
Richard would be Toyman and Cryer as Booster Gold.
@@chadharger9323 Perfect!
I actually really love seeing Clark’s highschool yearbook photo at 9:13.
It looks like a real yearbook photo and it’s so endearing.
I think it was..
Probably a legit pic of Chris from HS or when he went to Juilliard..
27:13 - 27:27
3 ideas I got what this could’ve been.
1. Brainiac
2. Cyborg Superman
3. Brainiac AND Cyborg Superman!
4. Yes.
Cyborg Superman was created in the 90's
@@22espec
Yes, and Harley Quinn was originally created in Batman: the animated series, but now she’s everywhere! It could’ve been one of those transitional things!
Superman III had perhaps the smoothest production phase of all the Christopher Reeve Superman films, but still had to suffer heavy re-writes after the original script featuring Brainiac and Supergirl was rejected, since it was considered too expensive to film because of its inferior budget compared to the previous two movies (plus, they wanted to give Supergirl her own movie). Reeve did not want to play Superman once again, partly because he was fed up with the role and partly because he felt that Donner had been unfairly treated, leading the producers to scramble for replacements (Tony Danza was heavily considered for Reeve’s role). It was only when they allowed Reeve veto power over the script that they got him back. Apparently Lois Lane’s role was reduced to five minutes after actress Margot Kidder publicly expressed some sympathy for Donner after the Salkinds fired him. Taking Donner and Kidder’s side, Hackman refused to return for this film. The video game that Ross Webster plays in the film was developed especially for the movie but had to be downgraded because the original version was considered too realistic for 1983. Richard Pryor was coked out of his brains during filming. On top of all that, a threatened lawsuit from the producers of Kramer vs. Kramer forced the originally-planned title, Superman vs. Superman: Superman III to be ditched, after the Salkinds decided it wasn't worth the fight.
in the end the producers were morons
It’s hard to believe they could copyright a vs title
Indeed, some elements of the idea of Brainiac being the villain are still in there: The Super computer, cyborg assimilation, and the adapting ray - which if you look at it, has Brainiacs tri-pointing symbol/design on it... subtle nods/hints to what might have been...
@@SiliqueathBelieve it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse.
Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.)
Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
21:09 Wonder if this inspired that Superman bar joke. The one where he keeps impressing another random bar patron. With his antics of jumping out the bar's high story window after downing some drinks. But coming back unharmed or phased. Which in turn after watching these extraordinary unexplained feet. Inspires the random bar patron to attempt the same theatrics after swallowing a shot himself. Which ends with the guy presumably plummeting to his own demise. And the bar tender exclaims- you got one sick sense of humor Superman!
You should know this by now. When superman came out he couldn't fly. That's why the whole leap over a building was important.
So, he just jumped and ran around?
@@destroyerblackdragonyes exactly that
@@destroyerblackdragonLike Hulk, yes.
@@joshuabunting882 Yep, the first time he flew it was a mistake by an artist who didn't understand Superman's powers. The Fleischer cartoons also popularized ability to fly.
I heard that Superman's ability to fly happened by accident. In later issues after his debut, some artists misinterpreted his big leaps as just flying.
In the original script, the villain was Brainiac and of that only the supercomputer remained. Also, Batman appeared behind the scenes in that scene, there are photos of it.
In the original script Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... FUCK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.)
Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then fuck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (Fuck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
Believe it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse.
Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.)
Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
@@brandonspain12345 wtf ???
He was a world class comedian.
He was a world class comedian
He was a world class comedian
He was a world class comedian
He was a world class comedian
Even world star comedians slum it once in a while :( but hey Pryor was still funny as hell with the right hands and direction
Yeah. Doug said that he was a legend and great in other movies. Just not in this 1. Did you pay any attention to him?🤨
@@kittycatmeowmeow963
Ah it just seems like their processing their favorite comedian performing a subpar performance ^^’ can’t blame em, we all had that moment when we feel broken seeing one of our favs perform abysmally
@@supermegaman88something like that. I’ve never seen Pryor in anything else and I’ve been told he was amazing.
So to see this………….god I need to remind myself he was amazing. And don’t lie we all do
@@jessedellross3245
Heh with you there bud. Feeling is mutual whenever I see Lewis black in a pg movie (unless it’s inside out, they somehow made him funny) I recommend you go see one of pryors previous performances in a movie or comedy performance, then maybe blame the writers or director :P helps me a ton
Another review for this movie had an interesting idea of what if Richard Pryor was Mr. Mxyzptlk. That would actually make a lot of sense. Especially with all the chaos happening in the first few minutes of the first act.
Or Toyman.
Okay, that’s not a bad idea. There’s something in there
The Extended TV Cut of *"SUPERMAN*
*III"* had the opening credits take place
in outer space (using the footage from
the first film), before we're introduced to August "Gus" Gorman.
I guess this is one of the rare cases where the tv version actually improves the movie somewhat.
I used to have the full version on vhs. Opening credits, Superman rescuing a toddler from a tree, loads of extra dialogue. In fact, a dvd boxset of all four films should have had that version, but mistakenly had the edited version. I was disappointed when I bought it, but didn't know the extended version should have been included, and that you could send it back for a replacement.
The main villain of this movie should have been Metallo or Brainiac. Cyborg Superman's first appearance was after the Death of Superman event in the early 90s.
Great review critic!!
I remember watching this one growing up and always felt it didn't have the magic the first two did
The idea of Synthetic Kryptonite is actually a really good one, but it should someone like Lex or Bruno Mannheim making it, not some random new character. I feel as though the 'Red Kryptonite' Superman story only works when people know Clark, and it parallels the Spiderman Symbiote storyline.
I’m sorry, whenever i see Richard Pryor in something bad, i think of good versions of Richard’s acting like the SNL sketch with Chevy Chase or the wiz
He even had his own variety show
Called the Richard Pryor show.😂
And a sesame street like children's show Pryor's place. It's got a pretty nice theme tune by the guy who sings the Ghostbusters theme song.
@@nicklundy9965 it's sad he winded
Up in a wheelchair years later then
Passed.
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 yea kind like Chrispher Reeves. At least they left us a pretty good legacy behind.
@@nicklundy9965 yep.
That scene with the computer taking over the sister gave me nightmares.
Me too!
It also terrified me to shivers.
Another Fun Fact: August "Gus" Gorman steals money from his company by collecting fractions of a cent from other accounts and depositing them in his personal account. In computer crime terminology, it's called "salami shaving."
…and it‘s what they did in OFFICE SPACE!!😆😆
Why's it called that?
@@ThePkmnYPerson because you can shave bits off of a salami to keep and no one can tell after it's sliced
@@M_Alexander I see. Thanks.
Wait, it's called _salami shaving?_ I've been calling it circumcision all these years. /s
Malcolm as Richard Pryor... to quote DBZ Abridged Vegeta, "Never have I needed something so much and not known until I received it."
So instead of giving us real villains like Brainiac and Bizarro, we get angry drunk Superman and old lady with metal on her face.
1:38 I think there's a lot of potential to Krypto. Has anyone read Grant Morrison's Action Comics run?
In Action Comics #13, Krypto becomes like a guardian angel watching over Kal-El, when he's sent to Earth. Krypto was 'made' by Jor-El for his son. And was lost in the Phantom Zone while protecting the baby Kal and his parents.
In the Phantom Zone you exist like a ghost. You can see others. But others can't see you.
So, Krypto like a faithful dog actually watches over Superman. Almost like a watchful guardian. He was always there with him. Especially during his low points like loosing his parents Martha and Jonathan. But Kal couldn't see or sense Krypto.
Till he's reunited with him on escaping the Phantom Zone. That's a pretty good story of a dog and his master. Even when he's separated by worlds his love and loyalty for Kal never wavers.
If anything, Brainiac should've been the final boss since he more or less is a supercomputer. Superman facing his inner demons was a neat concept that definitely could've been expanded upon for most of the movie. Have Brainaic be the one to corrupt Superman and Clark needed to escape from within and beat the corruption.
Everybody thinks the same, the problem was... they thought they needed a big backstory for the supercomputer when they could have skipped all the story with the thing already built and in the process of conquering earth and just tell Brainiac's story in some short flashbacks but sadly noone was smart to think about it.
Come on, Doug! You had a perfect callback to your review of IT and you didn't use it?!?
Evil Superman flies away. Annette O'Toole: Why is it so mean?
24:21 I'm still scared to this very day that the scene with the woman getting turned into an evil robot. One of my childhood nightmares ever since.
You’re not the only one who was traumatized!
gosh, even watch a video with funny still gives me creeps
You know it's a shame Richard Pryor never got his big mainstream hollywood career but i'm glad to say he was a star in a Superman movie
What about The Toy, Brewster’s Millions, and the movies he did with Gene Wilder?
You all should watch Harlem Nights
I know Richard prior because of the awesome comedy movie see no evil hear no evil, thats where i first knew richard prior
Richard Pryor was THE Black Comedy star of his time before The Rise of Eddie Murphy.
@@huntercoleman460Ooh boy. Now The Toy is one of those movies that has aged terribly. It's basically a movie about a young rich boy buying a black man. Surprise Surprise the boy's dad is a racist confederate.
This is one of those movie I watched so often as a kid that it’s hard to evaluate as an adult. Back then, I had no idea Pryor was a comedian, so I just perceived Gus as a quirky character. I think it still works as long as you’re not expecting pure comedy.
Regarding the junkyard fight scene, I’m not sure a verbal duel would have worked. I think the fight was supposed to be purely symbolic, and it worked on that level.
I'm just waiting for the part of the review where a tar contaminated Superman Credit Card causes him to split into Doug Walker and Evil Nostalgia Critic.
I’m guessing a Bat Credit Card would get him back to his senses?
Now I need to know what an Evil Nostalgia Critic would look like.
I maintain this is worse than Quest for Peace. QfP at least seems to be in the spirit of the first movie, it's just a victim of low budget. SMIII just doesn't mesh with Reeves franchise at all. It's like the director and producers' only take on the superhero genre was the Adam West Batman, and they couldn't stand to deviate it from it. SMIII actually has all the same issues as Thor Love and Thunder. The people that made it clearly think the humor is the most important aspect of the movie and that the humor should focus on quantity over quality. The end result is a stream of gags and jokes to the point the movie is beating over the head with them.
The battle in the junkyard is considered the most iconic scene of the movie.
The only thing I remember from this movie that I probably watched once as a child is the computer turning the lady into a robot. Absolutely horrified me.
The beginning skit reminds me of the writing room for the Sonic Movies like “who should we introduce alongside Shadow?”
Rouge, Amy, or both?
@@PaulW_ftPAULK Both Both is good 😂
@@Mirthful_Panda Surprise! You get a wacky Patton Oswalt instead!
_inhales a bottle of whiskey_ Big the freaking cat.
@@PaulW_ftPAULK Yes.
The villain really should've been Brainiac. It would've tied in well with the pre-existing Super Computer idea, it would explain Gus's excentricities mixed in with bouts of unexplained competence (that being Gus is accually posessed by Brainiac, and is able to do all of this stuff, but wants to distract people with his odd behavior so nobody suspects him), and it could even reveal that Gus is Brainiac by having the afro be a wig, and Gus taking it off would show us the circular pattern on Brainiac's forehead. The computer can even robotisize Gus to make him even more like Brainiac from the comics, and Superman could, I guess, do that body fission thing he did when he split into good Clark and evil Superman for that personal battle thing on Gus to save him from Brainiac. Make that earlier scene make sense.
Gus Gorman is really the equivalent of Edward Nygma. Both played by comedians. Both nerds who wanted to be recognised by their superiors. The only difference is Gus repents at the end.
Richard Pryor pre-fire and post-fire are like two completely different people. Some of the roles he took in the 80s were a disgrace to his talents. They paid him a lot of money though, so there's that.
Superman 3 feels more like a Richard Pryor movie.
This shows how much Richard Donner was responsible for keeping the previous movies from turning to crap. Earlier scripts for the first movie were also filled with unfunny comedy, too. Donner got rid of all that crap, but he wasn't there for III.
God… I had forgotten about that robotization scene until this review. That scene messed me up as a kid. Thanks for the nightmares returning, Doug!
Despite how bad Superman III was compared to the first two, I still really liked Annette O'Toole as Lana Lang. She was perfect for the part. Thanks for reviewing this!
Superman 3 was such a massive disappointment. Brainiac should've been the villain. Or Bizarro. Arnold as Bizarro? He wouldve been perfect. Limitied dialogue. Between Conan and Terminator.
21:39 my favorite variation on the meme cuts to the animated series with Superman looking like he's flying drunk and crashing into random buildings. rather than just showing the initial shot, it gives us an aftermath of what happened that night
Fanscription idea. What if Brainiac was the villian of the movie?
I find it interesting that the Richard Pryor character also inspired Baxter Stockman from the TMNT. I know he mistly gets the short end of the stick, but he's my favorite TMNT antagonist.
Another Fun Fact: Although the teenage Clark Kent was played by Jeff East in Superman (1978), a teenage image of Christopher Reeve is seen hanging in the gymnasium during the Smallville High reunion scene.
Jeff East's Clark was voiced by Reeve too.
Superman III happens to be my favorite. It was the first one I remember seeing probably around 6 or 7 years old. The scene of the Clark/Superman fight in the junkyard, the stuff with Richard Pryor and I remember being scared watching Superman fight the machine and the sister, and the acid. There was also the scene of a 'video game' and just a few years later there was an arcade version of Superman.
Fun fact: Russ Webster was actually the inspiration for the modern Lex Luthor. How?
People often confuse Webster for being a boring knockoff version of Lex, when it's actually not the case.
When Superman 3 came out, Lex in the comics was more of a mad scientist/underground arch-criminal.
It's only in 1986 when DC rebooted the timeline and made Lex into the evil and manipulative businessman we know him today. A full three years after Superman 3.
Modern Lex even has a sister and an attractive assistant just like Webster.
So when you watch this film remember that Webster was an original character that influenced the comics. Not the other way around.
I honestly don't hate this movie, it's entertaining enough imo. Lana Lang was great, the evil Superman scenes and the junkyard fight are a standout.
Btw, I think that people miss the point of "evil Superman".
And that's because he wasn't technically "evil", he was more like "Superman under the influence", or "drug addict Superman". That's why his behavior was more juvenile and uncaring rather than evil.
What's interesting is that Gus actually made red Kryptonite, but it's green in the movie for some reason.
Many of these elements in the movie are actually from the early comics..
I find it kinda cool that the same actress that plays Lana in this movie later plays Clark's mom in Smallville.
And there is a cameo of Reeve as a scientist that discovers Krypton's fate.
It's just awesome that the series really tried to get the cameos to actually make an homage to superman.
So, If you read the info for this movie on a satellite TV guide, it says the unknown element in the kryptonite is tobacco tar. I'm not even kidding; Nicotine plus Kryptonite apparently equals evil superman.
This movie REALLY jumped the shark with the traffic lights, then did it again with the skiing down the skyscraper and surviving scene.
As you said, playing evil is far more effective when you're doing less, as Jeff Bridges proved in Iron Man, not jumping around the place cackling like the Joker.
Tell me, will you analyze films like "Sleepy Hollow" or "Wolf Man" or "Peter Jackson's King Kong".
And another thing! I think if after this film, the Supergirl should have included more ties to the Superman movies like maybe a cameo appearance by Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent but not as Superman.
Another Fun Fact: The song "Earth Angel" by The Penguins is played during the Smallville High School reunion dance attended by Clark Kent and Lana Lang. It was also played during the "Enchantment Under the Sea" dance at Hill Valley High School on November 12, 1955 in Back to the Future (1985). Marc McClure (Jimmy Olsen) also appeared in that film as Marty McFly's elder brother Dave McFly. also The Beatles cover of "Roll Over Beethoven" plays during the Smallville High School Reunion dance. Richard Lester also directed the Beatles' first two films, A Hard Day's Night (1964) and Help! (1965).
especially since Sofia Coppola's performance could be fixed by someone of enough prominence in the movie (doesn't have to be Mike Corleone) saying that she doesn't speak fluent English.
and fixing Jake Lloyd's performance is just simply acknowledging THAT HE WAS A KID, OH MY GOD! GIVE IT A REST!
JUST DON'T WATCH IT, GO RIGHT TO ATTACK OF THE CLONES AND FILL IN THE BLANKS YOURSELF, MY GOD!
(seriously, after reading that you should start from 'A New Hope' (or Rogue One AND THEN a New Hope), Empire Strikes Back, use Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith as flashbacks and any Clone Wars era installments in-between as well, if you want, AND THEN watch Return of the Jedi, it blew my mind)
Doug, it would mean a lot to me if you reviewed these following movies:
- Wild Thornberrys Movie (starring Tim Curry and Lacey Chabert)
- Blast from the Past (starring Brendan Fraser and Christopher Walken)
- Undercover Brother (starring Neil Patrick Harris and Dave Chappelle)
- Igor (an animated film starring John Cusack and Steve Buscemi)
- Spiderwick Chronicles (starring Freddie Highmore and Seth Rogen)
- Penelope (starring Christina Ricci and James McAvoy)
- Aliens in the Attic (starring Kevin Nealon and Doris Roberts)
- The 10th Kingdom (a miniseries starring John Larroquette and Dianne Wiest)
Thank you very much and please accept my requests.
"I AM A SPIDERWICK, DOCTOR HAN!"
YES, that transformation sequence horrified me as a child and I still remember it to this very day decades later...
Least favorite Superman movie
I was floored by how good Malcom’s impression of Richard Pryor was. Kudos!
This could have been about Brainiac or Bizarro (which kinda exists in this movie), but we got a comedian who could have worked if he was Mitzelplik (- ^ )
Believe it or not, the movie could've been a LOT worse.
Brainiac would've discovered Supergirl after she landed on his planet and adopted her as a daughter until she became an adult that he wants to... F*CK her. (In a Count Olaf way too.) But she declines his marriage proposal and travels to Earth and becomes a Gym teacher as Brainiac desperately tries searching for her. Eventually Supergirl does heroic acts and gets Superman's attention where the two... FALL IN LOVE. (The writer even points out that they AREN'T cousins so he can have an excuse to have them fall in love. Awful.) Brainiac heads to Europe and makes a castle his headquarters. Then when he finds out Superman and Supergirl are in love, he gets jealous and plots to build a machine that turns him evil. As a way to lure Supergirl back to him so can say quote "I'll turn the machine off and leave Superman alone if you marry me, but if you don't I'll make him eviler." (Actual line.)
Supergirl surrenders and heads to his castle while Superman is set free to search for her. From here, Mr. Myxzptik randomly appears halfway into the movie! The first thing he says is "What's up dickhead?" and pranks Superman during his chase. After making him vanish with the old "say Kitpzyxm!" he received an "X-ray message?" from Supergirl where she is. And Brainiac takes her into a time portal back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen and Lana coincidentally show up to Europe. (Btw, Lois is written out of the story by saying she moved to Hong Kong and Lana doesn't know who Clark is despite being his childhood crush.) and they free Superman from a laser cage. They then go back in time where Brainiac NOW decides to try to kill Superman and then f*ck his adopted daughter. Brainiac turns the evil machine back on to make Superman evil again, but fails because of... THE POWER OF LOVE he has with Supergirl. (F*ck you.) Superman quickly returns to the present to make a deal with Mr Myxzptik and they both go back in time and he screws up the dimension where Superman and Brainiac don't have powers so they can have a duel. Superman wins and Brainiac is taken to a dimension where he'll rot as everyone returns to their present dimension. After making Mr Myxzptik disappear from a challenge of freezing Metropolis into scattered puzzles that have to be solved in 1 minute. (Before the pieces are sent to Mercury.) Which he and Supergirl work together to solve. Thus, everyone forgives Superman is good, and the treatment ends on either having Superman marry Supergirl at the end of the movie or in Superman IV.
Suddenly, drunk Superman and Richard Pryor aren't so bad after all, hmm?
@@brandonspain12345 Yep, that would definitely have been worse 😐 Forgot about how bad that initial plot was.
The real shame about this movie is that Ilya Salkind says that his original treat for this film was going to be a much bigger, cosmic production that, yes, would have actually pulled more from the comics. Brainiac would have been featured as the main villain, Supergirl would have been introduced with a love triangle forming between her, Brainiac and Superman (strange and creepy choice, I know) and even Mr. Myxzptlk would have made an appearance. However, Warner Brothers rejected that treatment because they thought it would be too complex and expensive. Some elements did remain in the final film, including Superman splitting into his good and evil self (though why the evil Superman isn't just Bizarro is beyond me), and the supercomputer element is what remains of Brainiac's presence.
All these years later, not only are we stuck with this movie, but we are still barely scratching the surface of Superman villains on film. How we still haven't gotten Brainiac by now is so disappointing to me.
By the way, if you do want an idea of what a Christopher Reeve's Superman vs. Brainiac movie could have been, read the comic Superman '78. I recommend it, along with Batman '89.
This movie is worse than Superman 4 and Josstice League. There, I said it.
The Supergirl TV show had a pretty funny recreation of the drunk Superman moment from this movie. At the point she was also affected by red kryptonite. All she was missing was the stubble.
Nice I always thought Superman lacking in Richard Pryor.
Here's some fun stuff for people that want better versions of parts of this film so to speak.
- "I am the villain of this story." ~ Lex Luthor, Smallville (S4E17). Similar to the "fake Kryptonite" plot of this movie, Lex Luthor is split in two, his "good half" and "evil half". Basically some of the most iconic scenes in the Superman Mythos, period. Michael Rosenbaum absolutely slaughters as Lex Luthor in the entire series and this is one of those incredible performances.
- "H.A.R.D.A.C.: Humans make errors in judgment. It is sometimes necessary to protect them from their own inadequacies." ~ BTAS (S1): "Heart of Steel" Parts 1 & 2. Again, incredibly similar to the "Brainiac" portion of this film, with H.A.R.D.A.C. being a rogue AI that creates android duplicates to replace various characters. Notable mention as being the introduction to Barbara Gordon who ultimately plays a part in saving Batman's life. (For reference to just how similar, you'll find a retrospective on this same channel as part of "Bat-May"! Oh yeah, it's already been 2 years.)
- Surprisingly there have been countless stories to use similar key points that were featured in this movie, all over the DC Mythos, from the animated stuff to various shows.
Just finished watching X Men 97 and it was pretty good ;)
I was a kid when III came out, and yes, that robot part was INCREDIBLY freaky!!!
The weird thing about this movie, I always forget which parts are III and which parts are IV. They've kind of melded together on my memories!
To quote the Late great Norm MacDonald and something i'm sure Richard Pryor might be thinking about is "If you're in charge of your own destiny, then it's not destiny."
No Borg joke with the roboticization? “No resistance is futile”? Honestly proud of you for taking the SatAM high road ︎💙
Fun fact Lana is played by the same person that played Clark's mom in Smallville ( TV)
ironic that Lana in CW Superman&Lois gets possessed by Superman's mom
Yes, it has been mentioned a lot
Right after "he looks like he was waiting the green lantern!" TH-cam immediately cut to a mint mobile ad with Ryan Reynolds, that HAS to be intentional, I am hysterical rn! 🤣
My least favorite superman movie
You like 4 better?
My favourite fun fact about superboy is his power... see Connor Kent, superboy doesn't have the flight or superstrenght of his kryptonian namesake. He isn't even kryptonian so kryptonite has no effecr. His power is tactile telekinesis. IE he can move shit through the air by touching it. By clenching a fist, he can fly. By touching an oil barge, he can lift it, and he can deflect bullets when they touch his skin. This all creates the illusion of flight superstrength speed, etc.
@@NovastarDoughnut 90s Superboy is awesome !
This Superman movie is watchable because of Richard Pryor, the reason I even watched this movie! Also Richard Pryor’s career wasn’t impacted because of this movie, he was dealing with health issues! Rip Richard Pryor.
He had also recently survived a fire at the time.
@@georgeeastwood6930yeah, even the fire, Pryor was mostly cursed throughout his life.
I thought the cast did a good job. The script though. . .
@@chadharger9323 the script was terrible, but it’s not the fault of the cast, both Christopher Reeve and Richard Pryor were just acting for their roles!
My cousin pointed out that this one was like they were trying to make two different movies at once. A superman movie and a comedy Richard Prior movie melded together. While this one isn't my favourite, I still find it fun, but just for the parts mentioned, like the fight in the scrap yard and the ending with the super computer.