Arch & Sargon #3 Astartes II And The Insane Collapse Of The EU
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I'm glad these Arch & Sargon team ups is a consistent thing now. It's even better because it's like the other chats but 100% without Dev.
Couldn't agree more mate.
Dev free streams are best sreams
Dev sold out
And completwly animu e-girl coomer trap free
Dev makes everything worse!!!
Speaking as someone living in the EU, witnessing a Gerxit and/or Frexit would be so deliciously ironic.
After that, bring back the old EU currencies!
I want Fixit because it sounds funny.
@@killerkonnat Finland it is then
Then bring back the monarchies for both countries so we can call it Freking and Gerking.
Not gonna happen im afraid, though i would be in favor of germany, france and britain to form its own little exclusive EU zone and leave the other annoying brats to their own devices.. you know.. without all the eastern pseudo dictatorial corrupt money holes.
Europe is to America, what Greece was to Rome.
I love this analogy
On the topic of EU, Clarkson's Farm is a perfect microcosm of the managerialism suffocating innovation. Clarkson sees a problem, Clarkson as an innovator fixes the problem as quickly and efficiently as possible. Cheerful Charlie manifests himself as the Grim Reaper of Hopes and Dreams that he is and proceeds to list every regulation Clarkson has broken and what all licenses and permits he needs.
Once again proving that government is there to make your life miserable with busy work.
The postwar consensus, and everything it spawned, is a case study on why you don't put bureaucrats in charge of organizations. Bureaucracy is good at maintaining things, it's not good at adapting to change - which is what the real world constantly does.
With full respect Sargon, in their current state neither the EU or Britain deserves America's respect. Our nations became so pathetic and suicidal even people living here can barely respect them
Yeah my feeling on this is that this was a bad take.
Citizens from those countries might be deserving of respect, but their states deserve none.
A nation is not its state, a nation is the people - the state stands above and apart, often, and in many cases the nation resents the state
Admittedly to Alfabusa's benefit they *_DID_* say that they'd probably win it if they got it taken to court, but they said that they simply couldn't afford to go through the process in the first place
Thats how GW wins. Hell Arch should know this best ever since GW came after his youtube channel because it used to be "Archwarhammer" Its just not worth it.
@@riptors9777 Arch foolishly decided to take the high road and not fight GW because GW said they'd go after everyone in the WH40k community if he fought them. Joke was on him, they went after everyone anyways.
Also, most of the WH40k community swallowed all of the GW propaganda on him and hate him. It really wasn't worth the noble effort on Arch's side.
@@benjamintherogue2421 yep they all virtue signaled and laughed at Arch and now they just quietly kiss GW's boots now, even during the female custodes debacle they just bent over and took it...
Cowardice is never a _credit_ to anyone. They had the best chance to fight back, to stand against evil, and they sat back and let the darkness win because it was _easier._ Evil triumphs when those with the opportunity to stop it do nothing, and that lack of moral fiber is a damning indictment of their character. Alfabusa had an opportunity to do something good in the world, something that matters, but because he lacked the moral fiber and strength of will to even try, millions have suffered for his weakness.
@@notsae66 Its allways easy being the one to talk the big talk when its not affecting you. This isnt some novel but real life and even with crowd funding GW could have crushed these people simply to make an example out of them by dragging the whole process out for years or just burrying them in other lawsuits. This isnt some random youtuber sueing another youtuber, its a multi billion dollar international company with allmost unlimited funds to throw at lawsuits. Not to mention that the law in the UK is a very different one then from the states. People have been arrested and found guilty for lesser offenses.. just take count dancula as an example!
The fact that you demand others to fall on the sword while you sit safe and warm infront of your PC tells me everything i need to know about you.
Just my peanut American brain here but...
EU: There are 27 standards in the way of innovation.
EU: We need 1 standard to rule them all.
EU: There are 28 standards in the way of innovation.
That about how it works?
pretty much. even at best of cases you have both the national and EU regulations to keep an eye out, so one says this is the implrtant part, the other points at another part and now you have two important parts to worry about and failure in one usually means failure for both.
The way it works is that the EU is a club, without the possibility of expulsion. So any country that gets invited in stays inside even if it turns into a corrupt dictatorial shithole. Hence the current abysmal state of the EU.. they took a whole load of countries in that are incompatible with each other interest wise, or are so corrupt and authocratic that they might aswell be puppets of russia... like Orban.
Hence why the EU as it currently exists is pretty much an impotent paper tiger because ofcourse even those corrupt money sinks can block anything the EU wants to bring through like sanctions against russia.. so you have to please those useless eastern moneysink countries to get anything done.
Standards dont limit innovation, they allow innovation to exist because without restrictions no problem solving is required as enough money solves the problem even with the worst tools. Theft by governments that then gets pocketed by corrupt politicians kills innovation.
Also, that 28th standard is longer and more complex than the other 27 combined, while actually do nothing to address what it supposedly was intended for, and instead empowers unelected bureaucrats to make decisions on things they have no understanding of.
Towards the end there, Sargon asked about Ork Snipers. What's hilarious is that they're Ork Kommandos who put a tube on top of a big shoota and that counts as a sniper.
I could've sworn it was just Grots. As only a Grot would bother to aim at all.
@mrbigglezworth42 it's part of the Ork Kommandos Kill Team, the only grot there is a frogman
If Orks discover toilet paper tubes and cardboard they will conquer the universe.
@@Marcara081 what do you think their shooters are made of? They work through pure conviction that they work :^)
hey if it helps focus their aim then that is in fact a sniper
Some of the footage shown in this 'new' teaser was included at the end of Astartes part 5 to promote the creators patreon, just with different space marine chapters. It seems that GW has taken his work and repurposed it to promote their own future project which will likely star Primaris. An uncharitable interpretation is that GW is trying to wear his work as a skin mask to generate hype.
This literally made me imagine GW as a Necron Flayer, wearing bloodied scraps of the fan content they killed.
Gw acting like a gene stealer cult.
That's exactly what's happening. GW still hasnt officially renounced DEI nor that femstodies are now canon
I think you are right on the money with the primaris part. Its likely the core of it all, guy refuses to do primaris, so they turn his characters into primaris without him.
A horizontal pillar is one that has fallen over.
......... They do know that sounds bad if it's interpreted that way right?......Right? 😮
Sir, the second pillar has fallen.
Some speculation on GW's decision to crush fan animations based on work I do with other corporations:
Like many modern corporations, GW wants full control over their properties. Essentially, they want to fully curate the entire consumer experience so they can (attempt) to ensure that as many people have the exact same experience in the exact same manner as they possibly can. This is basically an extension of "spreadsheet management" and the modern corporate conceptualize of people being largely interchangeable.
Another, often less discussed, contributor to this sort of thing is the inherited and (often) temporary nature of the management of these companies. Basically, many of the people leading these companies now were not responsible for building them in the first place. There is often an underlying sort of pathology governed by the knowledge that the thing they are now responsible for is fundamentally not theirs. This often drives those in management positions to assert control over operations and attempt to leave their mark on whatever it is that the company does.
I still remember when I first noticed an "ugly" news reporter on TV. I was so used to see young almost super models for that job that when you just had a middle-aged woman (she honestly wasn't "ugly", just older) and she stood out like a sore thumb.
Beam: exists
EU: HORIZONTAL PILLAR
I've never seen Carl this angry
It's a Cassandra thing. He's learning that nobody cares if you tell the truth and nobody cares if you're right and nobody cares if you predict the future. All anybody wants to hear is that they're right.
It's only a matter of time till Sargon has to handle Arch's Fujoshi girls.. Let's make it happen
How 'bout No.
Maybe they should just keep this podcast between themselves. Regular Archcast is for fujoshit and feet.
Girls who like to watch porn?
God no, I can't listen to them. Sargon and Arch only please.
@ Who are you talking about?
The boys talking about Buffy with genuine interest was great. Wholesome, dare I say.
Buffy was great, it's a shame that subsequent "strong female leads" taint the concept.
I had no idea that the guy that made Astartes is the same person that makes Huxley. 😮
As for the way space marines move, I can certainly imagine different chapters having different styles of combat and move sets. Yet there is something weirdly appealing in machine-like movement of the ones in Astartes
Not even space wolves make cool pose after landing in front of tank barrel. Secret Level was made by tourists for tourists.
Watch the scene again. Titus did not land in front of the tanks barrel, he landed on top of the tank.
@ U right, he waited 1s for cultist to grab his gun than he took 3 shots at point blank range so he can look cool.
A slight comment on the Fire Hawk Gunship. Yes they were 30k era and by the time of 40k barely any chapters had them. But the ones that do have them are the Minotaurs and Red Scorpions (Correct me if I am wrong). And the Alpha Legion as well, from shroud of night book. The alpha legion gang arrives in a Fire Hawk Gunship.
There is a resurgence of these in the lore and what if this is Saymas way of showing that.
Whoever came up with von der Leyen's strange compass, which somehow has pillars, but they are horizontal, probably also writes for Amazon's Rings of Power. That graphic in the end is just utter nonsense when it comes to visualizing goals.
And as someone who really likes the idea of European cooperation, the current EU feels like the monkey's paw version of my wish. And the monkey's paw is also giving me the middle finger.
*Doctor* : Hello, I am a doctor and I made a cure for a type of cancer. Please reproduce my medicine and save people!
*Europe* *Commission* : Sorry, we have advanced and innovated enough. We won't dirty the lands for some people who are already one foot in the grave anyway.
I swear, if I see even ONE Primaris in Astartes II...
Im surprised they let him animate anything but primaris to be honest
@riptors9777 Considering the trailer was reused assets from before he joined GW, I don't think they did! 😅
Sadly you will see only Primaris in Astartes 2, fuck Games Workshop, and so all my hype just died...
I mean...The amount of fans who genuinely care about this is ultimately, trivial, for the business. Modern GW safely lives off the revenue tourists and slop consumers gave them.
Two of my favorite people! Hope to see more streams of you guys together in the future.
2:57:28 GW had already send a ceased and decist letter to Flashgits backin 2014, they where in their early 20's and stoped producing 40k based content for a time.
They killed if the emperor had a text to speech
and likely why they took the piss and decided to make Space King too
@@thorveim1174 yes an no, they started doing 40k content again with the start of the Furry Crusade, and they went toward their own IP¨after new threats from GW.
@@thorveim1174space king is superior
Yeah, but EVERYONE knows that GW did their crack-down on "fan content" was because of how much they were rear-end hurt over the amount of "God Emperor Trump" content being churned out.
The principal reason for France 's lesser corruption is quite simple.
When we do not know the strategy, we complain.
When we do not agree with the strategy, we disobey.
When we will finally get that the strategist is failing on purpose, we will revolt.
Why are we still in a corrupted state of affairs?
We trusted the lies.
Thanks for not having Dev on. Always appreciated.
GW consistently cutting off their arm to spite their body. They do this over and over and over I am *convinced* they are trying to tank their own company.
As someone One 1d4Chan once said: "Games workshop is apparently filled with anti-social recluses who hate to actually talk with anyone. So they keep their company just succesful enough so they don't go bancrupt. But the moment they get too popular they tank their PR."
@@SwampGreen14 Would explain the Femstodes perfectly.
*Raughs in Tencent*
The best example of the EU mess is the scene my Aunt seen - where a petrol station had an electric vehicle charging station, powered by disel generator.
Simple rule to remember. "The more you like warhammer, the more you despise GW" and vice versa.
No matter how hard GW tries to kill the Trueborn Marines, they shall forever be the Emperors finest, and they shall know no fear.
Mark 6 and 7 helmets are just perfect designs...
1:00:25 When she was merely a German Ministress, we already referred to as "Von Laien regiert" meaning "ruled by laymen".
You and Sargon are excellent! Keep up these streams!
Arch: we'll try making these an hour long.
Me: we'll see about that😅
what astounds me is that guy probably brought more people into the 40k fandom in the modern era than anything else.
Previous generation it was Dawn of War (where i cut my teef), but i have seen soooooo many reactions to his stuff, only for those people to go down the warhammer rabbit hole and become fans if not start in the actual hobby itself. its insane how much GW has fumbled this
5e blew up because of critical role, not the other way around.
I remember the 5E launch.
EVERYONE was bitching about how bland and boring the system was, all the classes played basically the same.
When are pillars horizontal? When they've collapsed.
I love the style of the firstborn man, so good.
Stamford Bridge is a great name tor the stream.
From the preview images of the five chapters, it’s likely most aspects of Astartes 2’s production were handed to teams GW assembled post WH+ -- those that helped them pump out tithes, return to cadia, and teh 10th edition trailer. The nuln-oiled, worn surfaces of the helmets are dead giveaways. Syama's marines actually have competent cleaning serfs, and that's vital to how they looked in the animation as they are.
Me, a filthy American, gleefully understood the Stamford Bridge reference.
I really don't understand why sargon would believe the audience for this podcast. Their audience!! Would e unable to get the reference.
I am indeed not able to get it
@corradoalamanni179 sorry is this sarcasm or do you not understand the reference?
@vladtepes8461 truly I dont know it , please tell me I am curios .
@corradoalamanni179 it references the battle of Stamford bridge. Between Harold godwinson (English) and Harald hardrada (Norwegian) in 1066. Harold won by ambush and proceeded to march to Pevensey to fight William the conqueror where he lost. Leading to the Norman conquest of England.
Could always call it ArGon.
Cool name
What about wARGONhammer
2:47:05 Translation
"We choose Dev over the Fox because reasons."
The eu has innovated the field of managerial bureaucracy
I think "Between the Gate and the Bridge" might be even better as referencing both Fulford Gate and Stamford Bridge. It sounds even more esoteric and has the benefit of including both a Norwegian victory and an English one, so it's like you are standing in the balance. Also avoids normie anglos thinking of chelsea. Also perhaps on a metaphysical level you represent a bridge towards Norwegian virtue while Carl represents a gate defending anglo virtue.
The mixed metaphor of a compass and pillars feels like a compromise made by a comitee
2:20:00 Egypt has a important trade route through it.
These are the people who thought Northvolt was a viable investment. No more money to these people.
They're from the government and they're here to help
The only reason Willow is considered "not pretty" in Buffy is because literally every woman is that show is more beautiful than her.
And then “evil” willow and vampire willow and eventually paragon willow showed up and many opinions changed.
I still wish that he “unintentional” kiss that killed cancer and Cordelia’s relationship had started off a new one with 2 mostly normies becoming a capable hunter/support duo. The writers really didn’t know how to handle willow early on and xander was more often than not the stereotypical damsel in distress
Stamford Bridge! Stamford Bridge! Stamford Bridge!
With the foreign aid thing, I thought the college debt forgiveness thing was a bad idea for our economy, and then I realized that we spend almost that much every year on foreigners that hate us so I'm all for diverting that money to me since I at least pay taxes so the money goes back into the economy.
I still wouldn't like a debt forgiveness anymore than I do the "foreign aid" money, as it's basically allowing people to go in debt for stupid degrees that do nothing, then expecting everyone else who didn't do that to pay the difference.
@mrbigglezworth42 I agree, I'm more mentioning it that if the money is getting spent anyway I would like it to go back to the citizens instead of foreigners.
1:21:49 "The second [pillar] is..." Pillar #1: More innovation. Pillar #2: Continue subsidizing certain industries, discouraging innovation and instead encouraging grifters to continue to lap up the fountain of free money.
Brilliant.
You need to make "Stamford Bridge" official.
Genuinely angry Sargon was not on my cards today
Europe is like lotr elves.
Stuck in the past and fading.
How do we think the author of Astartes would do Space Wolves? I cant imagine the Wolves would be as economic with their movements as the depicted chapter. Is there consideration for cultural variance between chapters/parent legions and how efficient they are in their motion?
Id describe his way of doing Astartes as leaning very heavily into spec ops.
The Fenryka are very much the opposite as proud barbarian warriors.
Probably like thier namesake they'd be a wolf pack. Always on the move, hounding their enemies and never giving their enemies a moment of respite using their chapters non compliant numbers to overwhelm them through attrition and concentrated might.
There would also be an element of werewolf horror to it.
Imagine some rebel forces that consorted to chaos fighting in the night and they go to help one of their fellow units. Only to enter the base and see a lone space wolf finishing off the last of them. The Fenryka turns his head and you see his blood covered face and beard with piercing glowing eyes.
I'll never forgive Warhammer for never picking up SWs crown years ago. It was an opportunity it cant get again
“People who watch us are the elite” me sat here like “if I’m “the elite” the world is fucked!”
Heret1kus made a 45 minute long video on the teaser. Its a bit long winded but he made a good speculation at the end of the video, wondering whether the teaser was meant to generate metrics for GW to justify the existence of WH+ for another two years to its investors.
3:04 it was proto woke but they still had good writing back then
Intellectual property is a crime against humanity.
The Oracle of Davos predicts the future.
Sargon talking to friends is balm on the soul, I miss the 2020 election megastream group up
Sargon: let's believe john deere and bud light when they say they're not sneakily DEI anymore, also i won't consult experts
Willow and Xander, great examples of Hollywood Homely.
'If we IQ a random sample of 100 of our audience versus 100 of their we would totally win.'
I haven't taken an IQ test since school placement in the 1st grade, but I got a 98 on my ASVAB.
Arch call the show “Bactmann and Wessel clapping Tordenskjold”
You and Sargon are great together
I don't understand Europe phobia of nuclear power but ok with destroying environment for the sake of environmental awareness
Not europe.
Its the politicians.
Think of the politicians as the nobles of old.
Constantly trying to one up eachother.
Who cares that the peasents are starving.
Make more windmill show i can show my fellow nobles how good of a person i am.
russia actively funds the green weirdos so they get a bigger microhpone then they should have. Which also makes demand for their gas
"Nuclear is bad, so let's use COAL instead!"
-Functionally all of Europe
Because if you solve the problem it cant be used as a political tool
Follow the money. In this case, russian money. They literally funded the green party from its inception to shut down nuclear in Germany. This simple con unfortunately resonated with peoples cowardly disposition the world over, in no small part thanks to them anxiety peddlers also known as "journalists".
Maybe it would be cool if you could cut this stream up into smaller chunks. I’d like to send some stuff to friends but a 4 hour stream is a bit mutch
not a whitepill necessarily but the "meat" of Astartes II is supposed to be about Deathwatch Terminators, not primaris anything. Syama also has a little bit of b-roll for his company showing Terminators "doing things"
If anything, I'd say what was originally going to be Astartes II before GW hired him is what will be the prologue, and the last few years have been working on the "meat"
The German woman's speech sounds like a High School Debate opening argument. That's how obvious what she is saying is.
I still think Stamford Bridge is a brilliant name for a show like this.
2:46:30 The spirit of the Pact of Umar is having a party.
02:20:00 why egypt. Same why gulf states invest in them.
They don't want egypt to fall and flood the region with +135M egyptians... that would cause such a fubar
Its not true that nobody made anything when Blizzard updated the tos for the new WC3 editor. There were several Anne Frank themed mods available. :3
We all know there doesn't need to be black space marines for representation. The orcs exist already lol
History repeats itself again, EE is nothing less that the modern incarnation western roman empire. Even the first province/country to leave is the same.
Sargon refusing to speak with Kirsche about Bridge? Because of DEV? Well, STICK. STICK. and MORE STICK.
timestamp for that?
Intellectual property was a mistake.
Sargon talking about economies of motion with Astartes. Then you look at that Captain America VS Wolverine comic with Tess One. Lots of flipping ,stabbing ,pound my claws into this metal. For those that don't know about Tess One. Oh boy are you missing out on some seriously awesome. What if the Super soldier program worked and The government produced thousands of super soldiers. What do you do if they super soldiers want to take over when they win and come home.
the '27 nations are only the 2nd biggest economy' thing is a bit misleading
america is not just a nation, but an entire continent, giving it a massive advantage in economic opportunities
most countries have to choose, food or goods, having to import one or the other or a a mix of the two
as europe has focused more on food profuction, it has had to become more reliant on importing goods, when it produced its own goods during the industrial revolution, it imported food
america didnt have this issue since it had enough space for massive farms in central america, and enough space for farms and industry on the coasts and in the continental mountains
that said, nuclear power and modern tech can greatly improve the dynamic
imagine growing all grain and plant based foods underground or in buildings, while letting animals graze in fields, and mining every undeground resource and building into the voids mining those resources creates
undeground habitation is an untapped potential that needs to be explored
yes we need the sun, but UV lights mixed with normal lights and large screens acting as windows (like in the first resident evil movie) could offset the psychological issues
58:45 It's not that they don't know what to do, it's that they use every opportunity possible to take away anything proven to be weaponlike from the population they want to disarm and make harmless.
Dark Sun is best dnd
Ah, a man of culture I see.
Im going to invent WARP DRIVE
I grew up on jackass and the entire gang is hilarious! It’s not just kicking in nuts jokes.
Aaaah Fable, the game I return to to chill that or DA:O.
I've watched the Buffy series through more times then I am able to admit to other living human beings
1:40:00 it doesnt matter that they're better in the US arch, I want none of that bullshit pERIOD.
1:15:00 Gosh I don't think I've heard Sargon yell like that since This Week in Stupid. 🥲
2:10:00 There is no war in Basingse.
2:41:00 "In conclusion, we held a meeting and resolved that we will need to hold another meeting. Thank you."
2:52:37 Respect is earned, not given because you've been around for centuries. Better have your government step up and stop being so trash or we might just annex you as a protectorate.
Funny thing about switching out the lamenters being swapped for the Mortifiers is that the later screwed over the former so this is a bit of Emperors Irony.
29:25 Gotta hard disagree there Karl. Space Marines are nothing if not classy with everything they do. Theres also the tonal difference between SL and Astartes 1 and the far greater scale of threat. SL had them dealing with what looked like a a greater demon on top of a chaos sorcerer. You use more energy when things are more urgent.
The breadth of English spice selection. Salt. 3:31:33
I really like ball pythons. Kind of addicted to collecting them, and Arch is definitely to blame.
He done the layout design and layout design is one of the most important jobs, pretty much acting like a producer and art director
No dev? Have carrot.
This show is specifically not gonna have Dev often if at all
@DreadnoughtFiend and if Dev appears I will skip the episode.
@Blasterbot-ye2uk acceptable though Sargon and Lumi(by herself) unironically keep him in check.
Lumi Sargon cast would be unironically anti Dev. Because Dev is a child.
Hearing about the E.U. bureaucracy makes you wonder what the command structure is of those continent sized Starships and spaceships. In scifi. That 40 k ripped off. .
Im out of the loop, has something happend between dev and arch?
Parasocial Carl out here fluffing the chat 😂
1:14:45.
I haven't heard Carl get this angry since 2013
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