I can't help but think about the implications, because if these two weren't the characters they are, the battle would have probably never happened. Who in his right mind would try to beat an eerily silent child to death with a baseball bat? The Batter would. Who in their right mind would try to kill the first human they've seen in a while? Frisk in the Genocide route would. I can't even picture either of them being in any way taken aback or impressed with whatever stunt their opponent pulled. Frisk is puppetted into murder, and by virtue of being a small child, is probably so desensitised to it (especially looking af Chara's narration from the route itself - they are both clearly affected by the violence, but accept it as The Thing To Do, since that's what the Player guides them towards), that not even Batter's horrific form would probably shock them much. Meanwhile Batter's entire quest is that of a religious zealot, who had the gall to abandon his family, and trick what is basically a God into slaughter, he wouldn't bat an eye at how lethal a kid can be. There's this feeling of resignation and distance from the situation, it's less of an epic battle between good and evil, or two equal sides, not a merciless attack on someone helpless, or anything remotely tragic or positive. It feels amoral, a means to an end. That's what this amazing track makes me think of.
I don’t know a whole lot about Batter but I’m gonna say Frisk/Chara because seeing how Chara was able to erase the timeline without Frisk’s soul and then create the timeline again with their soul just shows how powerful they are and how much control they have over the timeline
The use of Megalo Strike Back is really nice, though it does cement that this feels more like a Chara Vs. Batter theme. That being said, the person who commissioned the track probably asked for Frisk Vs. Batter and wanted Megalo Strike Back so I can't complain. This sounds great.
@@Andrex7042 Sort of kind of! Their relationship isn't made super clear, though Pacifist does fully confirm that Frisk and Chara (the Fallen Human) are two different characters.
@TKHulk Ehhhhhh that's vague and up for debate, the impression I always got was that Frisk was always in control (you can basically always reset) until the very end of the game, before that Chara's more of a guide.
@@Ghostguy693 Genocide and Pacifist are far too different to just combine the two, both in abilities and stats. It would be better to use Chara instead since its basically Genocide Frisk at its peak of power, its also more thematically fitting. Other that usually when people refer to Frisk they think of Pacifist Frisk rather than Neutral or Genocide.
@@S3rp3nte Yeah but that's dealing with ambiguous canon, which doesn't fly well with DB rules. Also, considering they destroy all existence in one strike, I think it's safe to say that LV 20 Chara is _WAY_ different compared to what most people think of when they hear Genocide Frisk. Kind of a different fight all together. Not to mention it goes against the entire idea of the fight if Chara wasn't the one who killed most of them. Also, you wouldn't really need to combine them, if you're using a specific version??? Don't know what you mean there.
@@Ghostguy693 "Yeah but that's dealing with ambiguous canon, which doesn't fly well with DB rules." But you cannot just assume that Pacifist Frisk and Genocide Frisk have the same version, its basically don't make sense and it contradiction the story. "LV 20 Chara is WAY different compared to what most people think of when they hear Genocide Frisk." That LV 20 originate from Frisk after completing the Genocide Route (after killing Sans, Asgora and Flowey), what Chara can do Genocide Frisk should be able to replicate (after reaching LV 20). "Also, you wouldn't really need to combine them, if you're using a specific version???" The only did with Archie Sonic and Kingdom Hearts Mickey, but even that they comparation don't work since they exist in a compelte different continuity compare to their OG version, while Genocide Frisk and Pacifist Frisk does still exist in the same continuity even if they are two different version, a better example would comparing Frisk to Cole from InFamous. As each version of the latter have their own specific mindset and abilities, and because of that we cannot just combine the two together.
The winner of this fight really depends on how someone would interpret the rules and conditions of a Death Battle. The Batter would absolutely win if we're only concerned with probability of a single death and not ultimate deaths with finality. Functionally however, to Frisk the Batter and his add-ons would be no different to Undyne or sans - just a really, very difficult boss they got to try over and over to defeat. The Batter lacks any kind of tangible fourth wall awareness outside of the rudimentary understanding that he's being controlled by a vague higher power, he most certainly doesn't seem to recognize what a "Save" is and infact he's utterly baffled by Zacharie's assertions that his entire world is just a game.
@@voidfoxx2819 No. I did *not* commission this. I commissioned another VS score music artist to do Chara vs the Batter but they were not Brandon nor have they released publically it and I don't believe they would do so of their own volition either.
I mean, it might be Frisk’s win. They do mention how Po could theoretically just come back from the dead and I think the implication there is that the battle isn’t over until someone’s dead to the point of being unable to fight. Though that means Frisk could beat nearly anyone so I’m not so sure if that’d be the case.
Hey look at this, a commission with the main protag of the game with the funny skeleton man versus a character from a series I definitely knew before this commission, epic. Also this sounds like about every Undertale boss theme put into one, good job with this.
I’m already listening to the start of this, and the OFF representation is SO GOOD! Brandon, this is DEFINITELY going in my top ten favourite tracks right off the Bat, no pun intended!
Purification in progress vs Stay Determined! Wow Yates you just keep throwing out great tracks left and right, just make sure not to burn yourself out.
Horribly late (Better late than never though), but yeah, I’m the one who commissioned this. Had some issues with how I wanted to go about this comment, so I initially put it on the back burner. Just wanted to explain a couple small things about this track: I know Megalo Strikes Back isn’t technically a song for Undertale, but it is a song composed by Toby, has become synonymous with the Genocide Route, and also captured the high-paced bit music vibe one would expect from Undertale fight music that I couldn’t really find in any Genocide Route tracks that aren’t themes for other characters. And for the other thing, a lot of people haven’t been able to get this one, but the main reference track for the Batter was actually Unreasonable Behaviour, which is a bit of an underrated track from the Off OST in my opinion. Don’t worry though, Pepper Steak made it in. So yeah, that’s about it, and I’m glad that most of y’all like this one! P.S. Yes, Genocide!Frisk is explicitly the version that this song (And my vision for this episode if it ever happens) goes for.
As someone who as consistently listed to every off track, yeah I can hear the Unreasonable Behaviour influence in the track. And I also agree that It is one of the best off tracks and a personal favorite, followed by Brain Plague
@@zacharie2334Frisk probably, i have reasonings 1. Batter's scale would most likely be baseline to high universal via 3 suns with infinite energy, yes there are Immeasurable Args for him but Frisk/Chara could be immeasurable as well 2. A Timeline is literally 4D as it represents Past, Present and Future, Meaning Omega Fowey is 6 times infinite multiversal, and all of the high tiers scale to or below him, frisk(made OF's hp 0 with help, even with help, it does not matter as nothing implies OF's drops below infinite multiversal, it just implies that it goes down an unquantifiable amount), GOH azzy(im not having the debate of GOH azzy vs OF, just know that azzy's stats are infinite in relation to frisk/OF, who are bare minimum 4-D, boom infinite 4-D power which is 2-A), sans(its just his durability negation, dont get it twisted, this is only because flowey states that before frisk fell, that he did every possible situation, meaning kill everyone, spare everyone, steal the human souls and kill everyone, etc, flowey and sans also implies several times through each respective dialougue that they know each other before frisk fell and sans is the ONLY one, unphased by floweys attack, along with flowey's distain for sans, you can tell they fought before through implication), chara(scales to sans and his dura neg, and one shotted a full timeline by themself). Yes This is geno!frisk exclusive, but Batter's still getting stomped via Chara destroying the timeline
Wiz: Frisk, the final fallen human from Undertale Boomstick: And The Batter, the spectre-smashing purifier from OFF Wiz: There are a great many reasons people have killed. Some are understandable, like preventing more deaths in the future. Others are less accepted, like creating mayhem and fear. Boomstick: And sometimes, there's not even a reason at all. But regardless of reason, these two indie game "villains" are among the most genocidal in all of games, all while having no expression on their faces. Wiz: I'm Wiz and he's Boomstick, and it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win... *a Death Battle.*
At the underground frisk sees that all monster of the snowdin are killed by someone who thought to be human then suddenly the figure approach frisk who turns out to be batter, after batter kills a monster to purify them frisk thinks he’s a threat to the underground then batter ask frisk Batter: you know where to find the king so I can purify it? Frisk then grabs on a knife to attack batter but misses Batter: you’re more than human than I thought but I must full-filled my duty to puffy this world and you Frisk then ready it’s 7 souls to use in battle and it’s knife to use just in case Batter: hm so be it Then batter ready its 3 rings then the 2 charge at each other ready for a battle FIGHT
@@workinprogress9793 Frisk doesn't scale Flowey, nor Asrial, and was only able to keep up because of determination, and Flowey just toying with Frisk. Plus Frisk's save points get countered by The Batter's save blocks. The Batter has much higher stats than Frisk too, as well as more hax in the form of competences. The Batter was even able to beat the shit out of The Queen, who created an entire pocket dimension, and Hugo, who created the OFF universe. The Batter himself was even able to turn off the universe entirely if you chose his ending. The Batter is also aware that he is in a game and controlled by a "puppeteer". Even if The Batter himself dies, his Add-ons will continue to fight for him.
@@thecrusader2784 1. Frisk does scale in durability to Asriel. They tanked Asriel's timeline erasing attack, that's higher than literally anything in OFF. 2. "They were only able to keep up because of Determination" ... You know DT is the thing that powers Frisk up, right? It's like saying that Goku isn't stronger than Jiren because he needed Ultra Instinct to beat him, lmao. 2. Frisk's SAVES being countered would be a lot more relevant if they didn't have the ability to refuse to die, and at one point ignore game mechanics so they can keep living (like having 0.1 HP). 3. The Batter didn't erase the entire universe by himself, he needed to use a tool (the switch) to do it. 4. Being aware of the game isn't relevant at all here. All of the higher tier characters in UT know what's up too. 5. Fodder Add-Ons won't make a difference. 6. Better hax than Frisk? Lmao. Immortality, ability to remove status effects, Time manipulation, status effect inducement, and breaking the 4th wall. 7. Better stats? The Batter is Star Level at max, and subsonic (MFTL was debunked) VS Frisk, who has Universal Dura and Immesurable speed. The Batter wouldn't even know he's dead before being hit 1000 times over in a second. Overall, this was another garbage argumeny where you obviously didn't read anything else i commented and deciddecided to regurgitate the same trash arguments other people say. Frisk wins, and it's not even close.
@@workinprogress9793 I agree with most of these points, it's just that for number two, I always thought Frisk surviving with less than one HP was a result of Asriel's power, not their own. Basically, Asriel was purposefully making his attack weaker because he didn't want to kill Frisk anymore. That's what I thought was happening when I first played the game.
It was already pretty catchy but the the tempo change at the end made it better. Creepy and mysterious, but also upbeat and hopeful. An excellent showing for these characters.
Is this the first one of these that has an RPGmaker character? Really cool that we got one of these, wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like Omori vs. Madotsuki in the future.
People keep saying that Frisk would just reset after dying, but it would always be the same outcome. The Batter purifies em, they reset, repeat. So it would technically count as a win for the Batter as there is almost no way Frisk could kill him, while the Batter would just heal using items and his Bases too revert any damage done to him.
Time to debunk this, also noting I honestly only played Undertale once I’m not some fanboy. The Batter is stronger and faster, yes, and Purify is arguably a one hit kill, but he has one key weakness: Being Predictable. Obviously yeah he’ll kill Frisk/Chara a couple dozen times, but after awhile like Undertale they’ll remember his attack patterns dodge them accordingly (like she dodged similarly faster and stronger opponents like Sans, Undyne or Asriel who has Lightning mind you, and Sans’ Blasters could be arguably light based attacks as they are called lasers in the files), and while Purify 100% can one shot the problem is that it’s almost guaranteed to be dodged after awhile. This isn’t a matter of Batter being weak, he’s most certainly stronger than Frisk, it’s just that Frisk has dealt with opponents just like him, faster, stronger, but they’re all predictable, enough attempts and it’ll be nearly impossible for Batter to land a single hit. Also he has no means of knowing Frisk is saving as he has no 4th wall abilities outside of his awareness of being controlled by a higher power as he is dumbfounded and in disbelief when he’s told he’s in a game. TL;DR: While Batter is most certainly stronger and will kill Frisk perhaps dozens of times, but eventually after learning his attacks and patterns there’ll be no way of him achieving victory, as Frisk has battled opponents faster and stronger then themselves many times.
Under this logic if there is any possibility at all that Frisk wins and kills the Batter then they win because eventually they would have to win from a temporal perspective. If you put someone in a situation where they have to overcome miniscule odds and they keep having to do that same thing it until it's done, then the by virtue of probability states there is a specific, if unlikely scenario they would overcome aforementioned miniscule odds. In other words, there is no way the Batter could win 100% of the time. He is not invulnerable in any sense of the word. Also there's no healing items in Death Battle - both combatants only go in with what they usually have on their person in a fight.
@@MrLimboRL you say it as if the difference in strength and speed was little when in fact, the batter scales to MFTL+ stuff along with solar system stuff. frisk at his best scales to building level stuff to maybe more, his best hax's is not offensive and does no real damage, he never did real damage to characters like asriel or omega flowey, in fact the latter also has no physical power comparable to his feats of creating timelines. no matter how skilled frisk is, his opponent is absurdly superior to him in every physical aspect, not to mention that he faces 3 things that have the same level as batter, he dies will be revived by the add-ons.
@@lavidamevaleunquesou1137 Ok so here's the best speed feat in undertale The Hyper Goner feat In the pacifist route, Frisk escaped the Hyper Goner, it's like a blackhole but it consumes entire timelines So... frisk might be around MFTL+ Correct me if i'm wrong, not sure if this one counts because it's from the pacifist route and we are using genocide frisk
Wiz: Frisk, the happy human hero of Undertale Boomstick: And the Batter, the heroic puppet and ultimate baseball player of OFF. Wiz: These two prove that no battles deserve to be fought. Sometimes all you need is fun and kindness. Boomstick: Well, SCREW THAT SHIT! We don’t do mercy around these parts! Only the greatest of “happy people” can live for another day! He's Wiz and I'm Boomstick. Wiz: And it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win a Death Battle!
Wiz: Long ago, two races ruled over Earth: Humans and Monsters. One day war broke out between the two races. After a long battle, the Humans were victorious, and the monsters were sealed underground with a spell from seven human mages. Boomstick: Seven because thirteen would possibly fail. Lucky number my ass. Wiz: Many years passed, and the place that was sealed became Mt. Ebott. Legends say that those who climb Mt. Ebott never return. Boomstick: But some poor kids went there, and well, never returned. Funny how that happens in legends. Wiz: Six humans fell, and never returned. It wasn't long before another wandering child fell into the Underground. This is the tale of Frisk the Human.
(this is technically chara vs the batter but still either way) I honestly have no idea how this'll go. The Batter is a powerhouse, literally purifying a world and its inhabitants, and it seems that hes much stronger than Chara in the actual battle department, after all she (or frisk if you wanna be that way) only ever did wipe out the underground... but that's where it gets complicated. When Frisk/Chara's determination is thrown into play, we don't really know how it goes. In the pacifist route, Frisk is shown to be able to defy death when they went up against Asriel, a supposedly universal being, and of course, there are resets, but then again... that's just the extent we've seen of determination, and honestly, I think it can do a lot more, but despite it being a super-powerful force, it's somewhat vague with its limits, and Chara even moreso. So it's really a question of can The Batter overcome Chara's determination? If not, then this goes to Chara, resetting and defying the killing blows (if he even can, I don't even know what Chara is, but we can assume Frisk is some kind of vessel for the fight) he dishes out until he just goes down entirely. If he can, then Chara/Frisk is demolished, they are still children playing with knives afterall.
Asriel is actually Multiversal, though he just barely caps at Multiversal, for being able to destroy multiple timelines containing a multitude of different universes, even without the scaling, Frisk's determination could POSSIBLY place them at MFTL+, possibly greater when you consider they went toe to toe with Asriel. I think Batter is also MFTL+ but Frisk has probably shown more consistent MFTL speed feats, and the time-line resetting ability really screws with Batter here, as he won't really have a counter to constant resetting after deaths, it's very plasaubile that he'll get just as depressed as sans after each and every time he tried to kill Frisk, and then that would be the opening Geno Frisk needs. Of course this could also very likely by a stale-mate, if we're talking logical conclusions.
@@workinprogress9793 she’s not multiversal at all. Even if she was, this is no stomp and would rather go in Batter’s favor. Batter killed his OWN CREATOR. Frisk hasn’t even scratched annoying dog. Batter has also killed a giant, Frisk needed outside help to do that. And if you argue with Asriel’s attacks. 1. That was a laser beam, not the hyper goner which actually destroyed the timelines. 2. Frisk barely survived that. Batter can also damage hundreds of damage and has thousands of HP. That is way too much for both Frisk’s HP and damage to handle. “Oh but that’s a game Mechanic” any thing that’s just a game mechanic in both OFF and Undertale are indeed real and canon, heck, Zacharie, someone who plays a pretty big role in OFF said that they are in a video game. If it were to be ‘just a game mechanic’ then that’d mean that not only save points are just game mechanics but OFF and Undertale entirely is just a game mechanic.
The Bayter should win. The power of reset is the only thing that's keeping Frisk in the battle, but the Batter is so much faster, so much stronger, and has much better ways to put Frisk down, the power of reset won't save them.
I don't know much about OFF, but using Frisk in a Death Battle at all raises some good questions about what constitutes a loss in Death Battle, as well as the difference between a character and the player controlling them. That aside, Frisk's control of the timeline isn't absolute. In theory they could lose it if their Determination is taken away, although this has never happened and it's implied that Frisk generates their own Determination. It's also possible to usurp them by having more Determination, as Flowey does by taking the other human souls. Not to mention, Frisk doesn't control everything; Flowey retains his memories, and Chara seems to be unaffected altogether.
Sans has passing memories, but it mostly is deja vu to him Flowey and Chara are wholey unaffected. But, Batter's 4th wall awareness is quite weak. He's aware of a higher power controlling him. But is completely baffled by Zacharie's talk of them being in a video game. I'm fairly certain he'd retain no prior memories. Frisk would eventually win off having an infinite amount of tries
And keep in mind, Batter killed Hugo, who created the entire Off universe, and he obviously existed before he created space-time, so that's a possible Uni+ and Inmeasurable speed upgrade to Batter.
@@LordZanas Him being confused by Zacharie is played more by comedic effect, as you start the game Batter quite literally tells you how to control him using the keyboard.
@MP Before every attempt at Sans he’ll say he’s doing a good job and tell you how many times you’ve died, in the Asriel fight you literally ignore death. Yeah pretty sure saving and coming back from death is canonical.
Playable characters that can either end up betraying their players, or making their players betray them. Gotta say i’m rooting for batter on this one. All of frisks enemies are vulnerable to another persons level of violence because thats undertale monster physiology. The batter (whatever the hell kind of abomination is.) doesn’t have this vulnerability, neither do his add ons. His enemieis don’t have this weakness either to he can quite literally beat gigantic mystical monsters to death with (mostly) raw physical power and take attacks from them too.
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 yes, chara did, but did frisk? Even If Chara was controlling frisk throughout the genocide route the majority of the time I feel like they were limited to the last fallen humans constraints to the rules until they reached lv 20 which at that point all player agency is completely gone, so its not really a feat on frisks part. Beyond that by the rules of the undertale universe wouldn’t batter have a higher LV given you can kill more specters, guardians, and corrupt elsen than you can monsters in the genocide route? I’m not sure if chara’s verse destruction feat is a strength thing or reality thing So i’m not sure how one would even calculate that..pluse I think they said world not universe so thats vague.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 it was universe also if we are using frisk batter wins it really depends if we use chara or frisk I was just using chara because I saw the real knife
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 chara says they’d destroy the world not universe at the end of the genocide route, we don’t see any evidence of the entire cosmos getting erased really. frisk also uses the real knife against sans technically, I don’t chara has full control until the player reaches level 20, so defeating sans is a frisk feat I think. I’m sticking to frisk cause thats what the title says I guess pfft.
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 I'd argue Batter beating Frisk is debatable, as, unlike Frisk, he canonically doesn't have meta awareness of things like "saves", nor aware of his own deaths enough to adapt to them. The most he has is a vague sense that he's being controlled by something (the player), his lack of awareness put in perspective with how he treats the ACTUAL 4th wall breaking character in the game. On top of that, OFF makes it perfectly clear that the player and Batter are two separate characters and, moreover, that the player can willingly separate themselves from the Batter. On the other side of things, Frisk is pretty entirely a player stand-in, with Chara being the separate character. To put it simpler, Batter can't load saves on his own, only the player can. Frisk, on the other hand, is explicitly in control of their own death-rewinding. And, if we're kicking Chara from the fight, we'd also logically kick Batter's player from the fight as well, as they're both canonically separate entities. Even if we assume Frisk is only doing a pixel of damage with each landed hit, they'd still inevitably win since Batter has no win condition to beat them to.
Could be a nice undertale mod. Criteria could be... Do the Genocide Route Twice in a Row, Then do Pacifist (Clearing Geno x2 IS important for story), if it were cannon in some alternate universe. And this music doesn't start until the second part of the battle. [The battle starts where the ending cutscene would begin at the end of Asriel's Pascifist Battle, just out of nowhere. Imagine kind of like how Chara confronts you in the end] [You are level 1 and the battle music in the first stage is 'peper steak'] [THE BATTER appears in his monster form] [Your name is FRISK] THE BATTER catches you OFF guard! * You ask THE BATTER what his sacred mission is. [Getting hit by an attack] *THE BATTER doesn't acknowledge *THE BATTER remains stoic and emotionless. [Don't get hit] *Purification, he replies. *You plead with The Batter to better explain his mission and if you could help him in it. [Don't get hit, two turns] *He replies that he already has help. *You ask once more what the sacred mission is. [Criteria is you take no damage for 3 turns by dodging] *THE BATTER, irritated by your repetitiveness, finally responds. [BATTER, and the music stops]: "...to rid the world of pointless suffering." *You ask what he's talking about. BATTER: "Feign no ignorance, you demented child of evil. Your perversion for destruction and restoration in an endless repetitive cycle has ripped me from the void. Thousands of screaming specters crying out repeatedly, over and over. I cannot rest." [Menu text is "..." and only ACT can be selected] * Check * Then why are you wasting my time? [in Red Text] * Ask BATTER: "You will be defeated, CHARA, demon guardian of the ????? Zone. Soon this land will be pure." -------------- [Now the music starts 0:00 ] [THE BATTER is now in his human form] [THE BATTER now has his Add-ons.] [You are now Level 21 with the knife, the level text just immediately changes to this when the music starts] [Your name is now RED] [Your SOUL is just the bold red outline of the heart sprite] [SPARE is replaced with GUARD/or some kind of stat or healing gimmick] Flavor Text: * Determined to purify. * Play Ball? * It's as if a God is judging you. * It's as if God's watching you. He's sitting on a folding chair eating popcorn. (rare % appear, joke) * etc ----- ... Bonus, no-damage rare attack (More flavor text, not player's actual stats) *ALPHA examines you. [Unavoidable, but harmless, OFF Wide Angle animation in battle square] [in a different text font]: * CHARA x 1 * Malevolent, demonic entity. * HP: 2100 / ATK: 999/ DEF:999 * Strong Resistance to GUILT * Strong Resistance to EMPATHY * Slight weakness to DANDELIONS * Slight weakness to GRAVITY
Saw a fanmade Death Battle of this using Geno Frisk, althoufh unfortunately they lost. Not too familiar with OFF myself but apparently it was determined that some sort of purifying attack of the Batter's was able to permanently destroy Frisk's SOUL. They were still able to take out the circle things at first at least though.
@@sptflcrw8583 kind of is. the Batter's purification destroys things on a metaphysical level as well as physical. but even if not for that, he would likely surpass Frisk's determination
@@sptflcrw8583 monsters cannot hold ANY determination. by Undertale's rules, it's not a matter of _how_ much determination you have, but having more than anybody else, to control save states. Sans frustrating you to the point that you give up the geno route is a possible canonical outcome, and as Chara points out, it's the player that provides the source of the determination. meanwhile in OFF, the Batter will NOT take no for an answer, going so far as to force the player's own hand back into his plan if you side with the Judge and fail at entirely and fully killing him. Frisk persisting after death isn't a Frisk thing, it's an Undertale thing, whereas the Batter destroying your own agency in spite of being the character you PLAY AS, is a Batter thing
@MP pretty sure Chara was the one who erased the timeline, and given when they did that they took the power of reset from Frisk and killed Frisk along with the timeline, meaning Chara is superior to Frisk and thus Frisk doesn't scale to that iffy feat to begin with.
Imma write cliff notes for how I think the battle anim would go based off the song. Not how I think it would go with research, just how the song feels. Frisk takes an early lead in the fight. Using the dull dagger. Batter uses a competence for a sudden shift in momentum. Landing a series of devastating blows, with the aid of his add-ons. Frisk's eyes briefly flash red. The fight becomes a fairly even back and forth very suddenly. Batter lands a seemingly decisive blow. He pauses amidst rubble, waiting for Frisk to emerge. Chara emerges in Frisk's place. Armed with the knife and pendant. Suddenly gaining a massive momentum and badly injuring Batter. Batter heals himself with a competence and looks up at Chara with pale white eyes. Batter rises to his feet and roars with rage. Turning into Bad Batter. Chara does their best, even lands a few hits. But Bad Batter ultimately dominates and overwhelms. His determination over powers Chara. The heart breaks, and the game over screen pops up. But instead of reset or quit, it simply says "Purification Complete" Cut to the Bad Batter walking away from Chara's corpse as the song plays out.
At times I’d feel like it’d cut to the camera zooming to Frisk’s perspective, all of them just being Bad Batter. While we go to Batter’s as well, just being him, but not a monster. And I’d like to see a scene where Frisk keeps dodging lots of Batter’s attacks, while Batter keeps attacking, tanking the hits from their weapons. It’d be an epic while accurate way to show their fighting styles.
@@melindabolding5601 I like that idea! Though, I'd wait to introduce him as Bad Batter from Frisk's perspective until they see some of his power. Remember, he only becomes Bad Batter because we view him as a monster. If Frisk thought he was just a dude at first, the transformation when he starts flexing would be sudden and startlingly bad ass. And I love the idea of Batter swinging at Frisk, who dodges, while chipping at Batter whp simply doesn't care
The Batter completely destroys Frisk, at first. His feats include killing The Queen, the person who literally created the Sun in the lore of OFF and his own creator that also created the entire OFF universe, putting him at Solar System to potentially Universal. Nothing in Undertale outside of Omega/Photoshop Flowey, Asriel, and potentially Chara have done anything nearly that strong, and Frisk doesn't necessarily scale to them directly stat wise. He also has a variety of Competences (basically spells like healing, elemental attacks, and powerful strikes) and his Add-Ons which function as additional party members with their own Competences. However Frisk's own Determination would allow them to continue coming back again and again, trying to figure out how to defeat The Batter and dying, meaning the fight could go on for eternity until Frisk finally landed the fatal blow... if The Batter didn't have the perfect way to counter it and make sure the child stayed in their coma: The Batter's Purification. Allow me to borrow a small part of info from the Frisk vs Batter Death Battle Fanon Wiki page as they explain it better than I can. "The Batter normally fights specters, or ghosts. A ghost, is what's left when the soul, the sence of being, leaves its body and roams outside without having a body. In OFF, even the most innocent Elsen can be considered an specter by The Batter, and that means that even the tiniest sin is enough to consider you an specter, and the greater the sins, the greater the effect of The Batter's purification, whose power lies in erasing those who overstep the divine laws and decides to show discord among the living. So, taking this into account, Frisk could keep up in a fight against The Batter, who in addition to being physically more powerful, also possesses a greater power against the determined soul of Frisk, his Purification, which would make the DETERMINATION remain null as the sins that Frisk carries are more than enough to be considered a specter by The Batter, what means an imminent destruction for the child because his soul will be weak against Purification, which has managed to eliminate intangible beings such as ghosts, and completely destroy vast stretches of land." However I have heard some people claim Frisk stomps via Universal to Universal+ to potentially Multiversal and I would like to use this chance to clear that potential misconception up. If you're satisfied with my concussion you can stop here, otherwise feel free to read the ramblings of a lunatic with too much time on his hands. Now I believe they got that from scaling the Fallen Child to Omega Flowey, Asriel, and the "You made your choice long ago" Chara feat. Well all 3 of these feats can be struck down with logic and understanding the context of said feats. For Omega Flowey, you have to remember that he had the power of 6 humans souls and was much stronger than Frisk, as evident with their ability to override Frisk's ability to save with their own, not unlike Frisk did when the first fell underground, and was easily shrugging off blows from Frisk with only 1 damage until Frisk started convincing the souls to rebel against Flowey, which weakened his power and defense, and Frisk was constantly being healed by said 6 souls. As for surviving attacks from Omega Flowey, considering how he can oneshot Frisk multiple times in quick succession, as shown at the end of the fight after the fake out and before the souls fully rebel against Flowey, it's entirely likely and in character for Flowey to have been holding back to make Frisk suffer. Asriel is a similar but different case, he's much more powerful than Frisk, and anything Frisk did couldn't hurt him physically, as for surviving attacks from Asriel, this is another case of holding back, something Asriel outright admits to doing, it's possible he wasn't even going all out either in the second phase either, considering Omega Flowey is technically weaker than Asriel as he only has 6 Souls, Asriel has the same 6 Souls and the equivalent of 1 Human Soul from practically every Monster soul, Asriel should also be capable of oneshoting Frisk, and they almost do with their Rainbow beam attack, but Frisk is barely able to hold on. Whether this is due to the Frisk's immense determination, Asriel simply being unable to bring himself to kill them at this point, or even a combination of the two is unclear. One thing is clear however, Frisk doesn't scale to Asriel. Finally Chara's end of the Genocide route feat. Now many like to use this as proof of Frisk and Chara being Universal or Multiversal, however this feat is highly debatable in what's going on and can be interpreted a number of ways. You can say Chara is destroying the timeline you just liberated, you can say Chara destroyed a bunch of Timelines, you can say Chara destroyed all of Undertale and all possible timelines with it, you can even argue Chara merely severed Frisk or The Player's ability to play the game, hard to say exactly what they destroyed / erased. And they even bring back whatever they destroyed for the player, whether that's them recreating the game or just recreating Frisk's / the Player's way back is also unclear. Also this was something only done when the player reached LV 20, and we don't know the specifics of this LV, sure they oneshot Asgore shortly after reaching LV 20 from Sans, but remember, Asgore's guard was down he didn't expect them to immediately attack him. Also, it was Chara who preformed this feat, not Frisk, meaning it's entirely possible that this feat is just one of Chara's own exclusive powers or them using their own magic, you can't write off the possibility especially in a world of magic with a human who grew up in the presence of powerful boss monsters like Toriel or Asgore. Especially since humans canonically can learn magic as seen in the opening when the mages created the barrier. Even if humanity forgot how to use magic, they still have the potential to use magic. Meaning this could just as easily be just a hax ability of Chara's making it an outlier. Heck you can say Omega Flowey and Asriel are also outliers due to the nature of their battles. So yeah, I hope this clears up my logic a bit as well as where I think Frisk and Chara stand now. You have to understand the context of the situation and the variables surrounding their feats, don't just blindly say "Oh Frisk and Chara beat Omega Flowey and Asriel therefore they're universal" that's just dumb. By that logic, you can say the likes of Sans, Papyrus, and Undyne should also be Universal or higher because they can damage Frisk and survive a hit from them. This concludes my Ted Talk.
So it appears that purification is equivalent to karmic retribution but on steroids, however the Save system that Frisk uses relies solely on determination and not on the soul itself. As seen where whenever Frisk dies his soul literally breaks, shatter and explodes. Thus soul destruction from purification simply seems to be an instant kill move than a guarantee win condition against time manipulation. Determination is seemingly unaffected by anything below universal manipulation level(killing beings considered universal level doesn't exactly mean resisting or having immunities against such abilities.), plus in pacifist route didn't he literally refuse to die? And he technically have some form of purification too when he "saved" the monsters and in the end Asriel at the final battle.(It even says he saved the "lost souls", you know like spirits?) Causing Asriel to lose the will to fight Frisk.
@@Jgamer-jk1bp Those are fair points, but even if Frisk could continue to come back from purification and outright refuse death itself, that doesn't negate any of The Batter's other advantages. Especially since there is also a clear speed gap between the two I forgot to mention. Frisk's fastest known speed feat is that they can dodge magical lightning from Asriel and Vulkin. If you REALLY want to be generous and scale it to real lightning and assuming a high end speed, of the lightning be created from 200m up, this would make Frisk 7000 m/s, or about 20 times the Speed of sound, giving them Hypersonic+ reaction time and dodging speed, again this is being VERY generous to Frisk. In contrast, The Batter can perfectly maneuver around the Nothingness, where everything travels at the speed of light, giving him faster than light reaction time, and he apparently flew to the sun in seconds. Also the Lost Souls part was more like Frisk trying to get the monster souls to remember who they are rather than purification. Sorta like the part where Frisk calls for help from the 6 Human Souls Flowey absorbed during the Omega Flowey battle. The Batter's Purification is way different, especially when you look at how it affects the Zones when you "purify" them. Also if Frisk really could purify, then why couldn't they just kill Napstablook, I mean he's a ghost and Batter can k̶i̶l̶l̶ purify ghosts? Then again that might just be splitting hairs as Monster Ghosts in Undertale likely aren't the same as the Spectres we see throughout OFF. Though on the note about purification. If it wipes away all that is impure like color, words from books, among other things, then could it theoretically wipe away Frisk's determination itself from their soul in general, killing them for good? I mean I'm not saying it would absolutely work, I'm asking if it could possibly work? I don't know, food for thought.
@@merchantziro4285 I didn't play OFF to know if it counts so I wouldn't know, I'm just stating what I know of Frisk's feats because I've played their game numerous times. the only time his determination is cancelled(thus saving and resetting disabled) is when he face god-like beings, so unless purification is scaled on a reality bending or universal scale than perhaps it can damage if not destroy determination altogether and disallow save and reset. Sure Frisk dodged lightning but wouldn't his higher speed feat be dodging laser beams from both Sans and Asriel?(Gaster Blasters having their attacks labelled as lasers and Asriel rainbow laser attack). Plus I do agree physically and even magically Frisk is clearly outmatched severely by Batter. However that's just another day in the life of Frisk, he usually faces foes that physically outmatch him in stats and battle. With most of the enemies he fights having higher stats than he ever does, his biggest gimmick is coming back to life and fighting again and again until he memorised all attack patterns and use tricks and techniques to finish of the enemy.
@@Jgamer-jk1bp That would be a fair assumption but I'm not sure how fast Gaster Blasters and Chaos Blaster would count at relative to the lightning feat, especially when they can't avoid things like like Omega Flowey's mouth laser in his kill load spam or Asirel's final laser attack when he ends the battle and can't kill them either due to sheer determination, he really doesn't want to kill Frisk now that he's Asriel again and not Flowey, or a combination of the two like I said before. They could also be aim dodging since you have enough time to dodge the attacks when you see them coming, even if those windows are rather brief especially with Sans. Also Frisk only their Save and Load when facing a being with more Determination than them like Flowey with 6 Souls and Asriel with the equivalent of 7 Souls, Flowey even mentions he had the power to Save and Load until Frisk showed up with more Determination than him. Also also, Frisk only bested said godlike beings by reaching out for help from the souls of the humans and making them feel emotions. The Batter is about as stoic and unfeeling as it gets, he has shown some emotions but gives so few shits about everything, but I don't think Frisk would be able to turn those emotions against him like they did for Flowey. Especially since this is Death Battle after all.
@@merchantziro4285 The mouth laser and impossible to dodge final laser attack could be Asriel/Omega Flower pulling their game mechanic/reality bending shenanigans to force Frisk to face an attack that he can't dodge. Also what you said kinda proves Batter can't counter his determination as the only times Frisk's determination is outmatched when he faces beings that literally contain more determination than him due to being an actual fusion of numerous human souls versus a single human soul. It isn't a fair match to begin with as both final bosses are technically Frisk(1 human soul) Vs the power of seven human souls. If we assume Batter only has a single human soul, he can't counter Frisk's overwhelming determination to literally cheat death itself. Didn't Frisk befriend Undyne which is literally a monster hell bent on killing humans? Sure if it's the genocide timeline where she outright says she fight to protect both monsters and humans but I remember Undyne not being very friendly with Frisk. All of this doesn't really matter because death battle rules indicate no happy ending or peaceful outcome
@@John-oo6ng but does he have a counter to frisk resetting the time line? Also using the most powerful version of Frisk/Chara they can deal over 2190 in a single hit.
@@John-oo6ng 1. the OFF universe is much smaller than our own so a trip to the sun so the batter going there isn't that impressive and even if the OFF universe is the same size as our own we A. dont know how far the sun is B. we dont know how in game long it took for the batter to reach could've taken weeks for all we know 2. frisk can somehow survive the timeline being destroyed (that timeline also has a universe in it) and the whole durability negation thing? doesn't frisk fight characters who target the soul and not the physical body
Both characters can acess the save game, it's not just on Undertale but in OFF too. The white cat The Judge tells us the player and the batter that we can use the cubes to save the game and some of them we can use to travel at the speed of light. And in terms of revival both on the same level, but the Batter has superior Stats and even the Add-ons helping him. The batter takes this easily
Ahem, Both aren't on the same level in terms of Revival Geno!Frisk/Chara is literally 4D in the end of genocide, via destroying the timeline in one slash, if you talk abt the wind, that's just an ambient, therefore Chara would destroy Batter in one slash, thus Destroying one timeline means you destroyed more than One Timeline in Undertale, and One Single Timeline > Anyone in OFF, While Batter caps at Infinite 3D via destroying 3 Suns with Infinite Energy Therefore, Frisk would end up taking this
I made a really nice reply to a comment, and I decided to just copy and paste it as its own comment. My opinion has altered slightly in how the battle would go now. Hello. I am here to give you some proper stats. I myself have a maxed out save file of OFF, though the gear I used isn't the best of the best, it's still pretty close. The gear I have is the Lewis Bat, Aura of Power, Neil Tunic, Colour of Neglect, and Secret Day. I will not be including Esprit and Agility, as it will make things confusing Batter Stats HP: 4939 Attack: 557 Defense: 487 Now, let's compare this to a maxed out LVL 20 Frisk. Frisk Stats HP: 99 Attack: 30 Defense: 30 Now, keep this in mind. The Undertale wiki says that when the protagonist enters a battle with an LV of 20, their AT and DF automatically sets to 30 and their maximum HP to 99. This change is never seen in-game because the only instance of the protagonist's LV getting to 20 is after their battle with Sans, who is the final opponent the protagonist can practically fight. So that's why the Defense isn't 4 and the Attack isn't 38. The stat difference shows the difference in sheer physical ability definitely. But I still would like to think this fight would end as a tie, considering the two have won against the in-game equivalent to god. (Asriel Dreemurr and The Queen), and that the two of them having Players would just make it an eternal battle.
Here is the background and feats for both characters: Frisk Background Age: 12 Height: 4’10 Species: Human Gender: Ambiguous Last of the 8 humans to fall into the Underground Suspected of Being Reincarnation of Chara Feats Avoided Lightning Made Knight Knight go to sleep by singing Capable of killing(or Charming) every monster in the Underground Can deal nearly ten-billion damage with one strike at LV 20 Survived Undyne's oven explosion Defeated Toriel, Undyne, Megaton, Asgore, Omega Flowey, Asriel The Batter Background French Name: Le Batteur Gender: Male Occupation: Baseball Player, Spirit-Cleanser Hobbies: Playing Baseball, Reading Comics, Kill anything he deems unholy Family: Hugo(Son), The Queen(Past Lover), The Player/You(controller) Feats Can survive The Judge's Abilities Climbed a massive chimney in a minute Reached the Sun in a few seconds Purified each of the Zones Killed all the Spectres Defeated the Zone Guardians, The Judge, The Queen, Sugar
they are on spotify though? this song is on spotify. Almost all of the commissioned tracks are on spotify, minus some of the newest ones I haven't put up there yet.
@MP frisk is strong and due to there power being linked to there determination makes it somewhat complicated but the besides there SAVE and LOAD abilities they can only count on close range attacks the batter (and his add-ons) have long range *and* unavoidable attacks also keep in mind the add-ons came from beings who created there own continents
@@derekcages3725 That still means Batter has absolutely no way to end the fight. Frisk has already dealt with enemies who are considerably stronger and faster than her like Asgore, Undyne, Omega Flowey, and Sans. So Batter likely doesn't have much to save him forever when Frisk literally can't stay dead forever
@@derekcages3725 Not to mention that when possessed by Chara, Frisk was able to completely erase their timeline from existence, leaving an empty black void
2:42 Batter: you should know, escaping your purpose....IS IMPOSSIBLE... *frisk slashes at the same time the batter swings,batter's bat breaks* Frisk: with enough determination, anything is possible, besides *black eyes* Frisk: WHO SAID YOU WHERE THE ONE IN CONTROL? SLASH!
*THE BATTER *ATK 20 DEF 20 *A stoical man with a mission to purify the Zones. *In my way. *The Fallen Human* HP: 99 / CP: ??? _A silent child determined to free the Monsters of the Underground._ _"Frisk, for the future of humans and monsters, you have to stay determined!"_ _"Remember your sacred mission. Purify this pointless world. Defeat the final Guardian!"_ *_FIGHT!_*
Frisk would be weird in DB. Their whole thing is simply losing and coming back enough times to eventually win, which goes against how DB chooses the winner, taking into account who would win most times in an encounter
Comparison: Frisk -Weaker +Faster +More Durable -Has the worst Arsenal +Better Hax -Not skilled in Hand to Hand Batter +Stronger -Slower -Less Durable +Better Arsenal -No Way of Dealing with Resets +More Skilled BOOMSTICK: …..Thank god he is dead. Wiz, you didn’t rig this to make sure I was alright, did you? WIZ: What do you mean by ‘rig this?’ This is an accurate fight to our research and what was found! BOOMSTICK: This fight wasn’t as close as Wiz over there might have you believe. More often than not, that lil kid was beating the Batter. WIZ: When one can beat a foe that can manipulate three stars while one can end an entire universe, the stat difference starts to become clear. This was perhaps most apparent with their speed. The Batter could travel at faster-than-light speeds while Frisk could react to the Hyper-goner. BOOMSTICK: This attack was destroying an entire Timeline, Frisk just… outspeeds it. This meant that The Batter could very likely not land a single attack on Frisk. WIZ: Even in the hypothetical reality that The Batter could land an attack on Frisk, it wouldn’t matter thanks to Determination. Frisk could just infinitely come back from death with no issue, draining them of determination would be hard. BOOMSTICK: But what about The Player? Couldn’t they re-save and make this a stalemate? WIZ: An interesting theory. However, The Player could be considered outside help via the rules of Death Battle. Even then, we’ve seen other uses of determination possess the ability to destroy and rewrite save files and it should be that much of a stretch to say Frisk could do this as well. Even tho The Batter could beat Frisk in One on One, The Player has no way of Dealing with Chara BOOMSTICK: So, The Batter was screwed? WIZ: Not particularly, The Batters purification process could of very likely destroyed Frisk and Chara. Even with determination, Frisk could have given up after some time. He even held a sizable intelligence and experience gap to pull something like this off. BOOMSTICK: But by that point, Frisk would have already taken the win. WIZ: The Batter was one of the craziest foes we’ve seen in a death battle. Although he was incredibly smart, tedious, and downright insane he did not have the might to take on the Fallen Child. BOOMSTICK: He knocked this one out of the park! This fight was pre-determined, Frisk was always going to be the one to OFF The Batter. WIZ: The Winner Is Frisk/Chara
Frisk: Wait I don't have a theme. Chara: Don't worry I got you partner. Frisk: Chara where did you get this, this isn't even in a game. Chara: It doesn't matter.
Hmm... I guess this depends in what stats you buy for both... Like, we are explicitly told that the Zone Guardians created their zones by converting energy into matter... but we don't really have a timeframe. And then Frisk with maximum determination survived Asriel's strongest attack, who purged a timeline... but you could also say that that was an outlier because they are unable to hurt Asriel... and you could also debate whether or not you can take Asriel's statement at face value. And then you have to take into account Frisk's resurrection... would they eventually lose all of their will before taking down The Batter, or would they keep going indefinitely?
the asriel attack thing is most defiently not an outlier, since frisk was at a different state of determination at the time, meaning that Frisk isnt always a walking universally-durable kid, but with determination, Frisk is. Also IIRC tho I could be wrong on this but its part of DB rules that they take everything at face value.
everybody is saying The Batter would just kill Frisk over and over again but Frisk literally has universal-level durability thanks to their determination helping them survive that one timeline-destroying attack lol, so the batter would have a hard time tryna' kill Frisk. But then again, Frisk's attack potency isn't that high, being small building level at best. I do think Frisk would be capable of killing batter eventually, it would be just be a very long and tedious job, and if were taking resets into this battle Frisk would eventually predict all of Batter's attacks and keep on attack him. Plus, I doubt the Batter knows about resets and stuff. Sure, he knows about the player but most definitely not about they're reset abilities.
You realize Batter has that as well and Frisk isn’t even universal in any way at all, right? Determination makes Frisk a massive punching bag for batter, and oh boy, will it take a long time for Frisk to memorize EVERY attack Batter has, especially his competences, Save third Base ability, his add ons, and his add ons competences. And it doesn’t help that they are WAY faster and it only takes one hit from them to put down Frisk, when it’ll take dozens and maybe even hundreds to kill Batter. And he does know about save blocks as The Judge educated Batter on them. And even then it resets his health and offers him to ‘save.’ And a small building level character is NOT beating a universal character in any way possible when their only advantage is hax, when Batter still takes it close with it and could even have hax as well. Death Battle would have to screw their research in the worst ways possible and have to be EXTREMELY biased or have to use a very heavily biased source that hasn’t even seen the intro for OFF or just to avoid Undertale fans’ salt in order to make Frisk win. That’s how big of a stomp it is.
@@melindabolding5601 I think you forgot about something. Frisk survived Asriel's timeline busting attack, which we know was supposed to kill Frisk thanks to how Azzy describes it, and they survived thanks to the power of DETERMINATION!!! As cheesy as that sounded, please do note that they had full and Max determination during that.
@@melindabolding5601 also, I doubt batter would know about frisk's reset ability. Sure, maybe he recognizes the idea of a player controlling him, but I doubt that just because batter knows the save ability of his own universe, doesn't exactly mean he knows frisk's reset ability in they're universe.
@@jollyjadentnt7963 he still has used a save point before. And if you’re talking about the hyper goner, that only inhaled the timeline, not destroying it, and Batter has killed his own creator, that’s far better than Asriel’s timeline destroying attack. And mind you Batter ran to the sun in less than a day and around assumingely a few hours and will just overwhelm Frisk when they have to deal with The Batter’s speed, which also speed blitzes by the way, his competences, his add ons, and his add ons’ competences as well, sometimes even at the same time. And if the batter recognizes the player, then that just makes it even worse than knowing about save points, because once the batter manipulates the player, there’s nothing Frisk can really do when the person controlling them is literally on the opponent’s team.
@@jollyjadentnt7963 and even if you argue about determination, this would just be DIO vs Alucard all over again, Batter would just keep killing Frisk, and would get stronger as time goes on because he gains more XP every time he kills Frisk. Frisk is nothing but a punching bag and free XP for Batter, and is either just putting themselves in an endless death, or will just give up and lose motivation in fighting The Batter realizing that Batter simply is way too fast, strong, overwhelming, and just in short has them beat in every other category. Don’t forget. If this takes place in Batter’s universe, it’s over for Frisk, as there are no Undertale save points in the OFF universe and the batter can literally turn off the universe, erasing/killing them both, permanently, but because The Batter turned it off to kill Frisk, which he did technically succeed at, he’d get a technical victory more times than not.
Frisk wanders through the purified remains of the RUINS, Snowdin, Hotland, walking over piles of dust the whole way. They arrive at Judgement Hall, where they see The Batter standing next to Sans's jacket, holding his hand over a red cube. Frisk SAVES their game "Seeing the murderer who has slaughtered your friends, the revenge close at hand- you're filled with DETERMINATION" 0:00 The Batter turns around, his add-ons floating behind him, clutching his bat in one hand. 0:07 [The battle starts, the room turns black and white, with the exception of Frisk's soul] The Batter and Frisk exchange blows from the Ashley Bat and Worn Dagger respectively. 0:21 The two knock each other away. Frisk ACTs ---> Check "The Batter, Demented Purificatory Incarnation Won't accept your MERCY-Attack 330, Defense 110" The Batter uses Wide Angle "Frisk, the 8th Fallen Human, Incarnation of DETERMINATION" 0:38 Frisk begins dodging competences from the Add-Ons and returns the attacks with the Empty Gun 1:10 Frisk dies as Gamma hits them with Photographic Blur, re-emerging from the Save Point at the end of the hall. The Batter eyes the point curiously, glancing between his own red cube and the save point. 1:25 The Batter lands a Special Homerun on Frisk, killing them again, then proceeding to walk slowly toward the save point. 1:36 The frame cuts to Frisk in the void with their SAVE file, before they press CONTINUE, the file cracks as a loud bang sounds through the void, then another, and another as the file shatters to pieces, a bat protruding from where the file just was. 1:43 The Batter grabs Frisk and pulls them through the shattered file, yanking them back into Judgement Hall as Frisk's save point disappears. ~just picture a badass action sequence for the next minute or so. 2:17 After enduring a Run With Grace competence, Frisk eats the Butterscotch-Cinnamon Pie, and has flashbacks of Papyrus, Toriel, Sans, and other events from the main game. "Reminded of your friends, their compassion, bad spaghetti, judgement... you're filled with DETERMINATION" ~Frisk kills Gamma and Epsilon 2:40 Alpha lands a Long Chain competence on Frisk, and their SOUL splits in half. 2:44 "But it refused" The black and white of Judgement Hall is overcome with a red hue as Frisk's SOUL re-constitutes. Frisk cuts down Alpha, leaving only a wounded Batter to frantically defend himself 3:10 Frisk misses a strike with the Worn Dagger, and the Batter lines up for one last competence "Ultimate Homerun" 3:18 Frisk recoils from the impact, their SOUL fracturing, however, this time The Batter, now sporting his "Bad Batter" face, rips the soul from Frisk's body, clutching it as it turns white and disappears. [Adversaries Purified]
You know what, I'll get back into this shit. I love how Megalo Strike Back is used (despite it being more of a Chara theme and for it never being in Undertale neither being canon, but eh the Chara part is understandable since Chara is Frisk). The music style fits pretty damn well. It's pretty damn fucking viby. I love it. I like how close the end there's a type _of_ OFF vibe, and I like it. Overall, the track is amazing and captures Undertale pretty damn well. OFF is a thing ig. The MU is damn great. I love Frisk vs The Batter, however... I still like Frisk vs Ness more. Mostly because of a certain someone's animation, and because I actually know one of the characters. This fight is pretty close too. Idk who wins, but I'm taking a wild guess and say Frisk.
This is interesting, both Frisk and The Batter are melee specialists both have access to healing items and can get stronger by killing. Both wanted to wipe out their worlds for different reasons, and both also face and matched against God like entities and won. Both know they were chosen by a higher power (us the player) and know a little bit of the 4th wall. But who would win? The Batter with actually killing god, or Frisk with their virtual immortality?
I know jackshit about OFF and Undertale, but I still have a question: Could Batter's Purification potentially nullify the sheer reality resistance DETERMINATION gives to Frisk?
A track in OFF is called Stay In Your Coma. When The Batter defeats The Queen, he says "It all went wrong. Time to forget about it and dream sweet dreams." In My Time, the chorus says 'Close Your Eyes and You'll Leave This Dream' and 'Oyasumi', which means Good Night. The game's focus is literally trying to forget the truth. ...Hee hee hee
If Umineko is ever used in Death Battle, I want a Vs Touhou matchup like Bernkastel Vs Yukari since those would be pretty fun. Honestly, Battler doesn't have many good matchups himself, I was thinking Alucard from Hellsing but that is never going to happen.
I kinda do, yet kinda don’t at the same time. I’m kind of worried about what they’ll do with both Batter and Frisk. And not to mention how much toxicity it’d be if Frisk were to lose. My joy for an episode really just comes down to a coin toss. And I’m not saying that only if Batter loses, but just worry about the toxicity, and downplaying. And if they misrepresent him too, since OFF is confusing as hell. Honestly, I hope they just do Sans vs The Judge instead or just have him fight Kris instead. But hey, it’s OFF recognition, so I can’t complain too much.
@@melindabolding5601 Death Battle actually wanks more than it downplays nowadays so Batter is safe, if they use the same logic they used to say Aizen is a planet buster Batter won't be any lower than city level, it mostly depends on how much benefit of the doubt they give UT. And honestly the shitstorm would be entertaining Sans VS The Judge is good, idk what they're supposed to analyze about Pablo though, he kinda just gives you hints and dies
@@str1k3r52 I don’t know, they’re probably going to have to give him Batter scaling and his competences. Other than that, all there is to analyze about him is mainly his lore and character.
Hey, you were arguing that Frisk wasn't even uni, and well... Undertale got buffs lmao It's Low Multiversal and Immeasurable VS Star level and subsonic now. The Frisk sweep is real.
The only way to batter can win if he have bigger determination than frisk, but the determination of frisk is so big to beat a god like asriel and power up a entity like chara.
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO While it's true, Frisk also took blows from Asriel and refused death due to DETERMINATION. Frisk's attack potency is pretty low despite being 99999 with the real knife in the monster world, but Batter CANT really kill Frisk due to their RESET manipulation and Timeline manipulation, and insane durability of taking blows from a God, taking small nuclear bombs on the face, and dodging light attacks (Asriel's chaos blaster)
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO "The specific speed on the chaos blaster was never touched. " Frisk dodges lasers from Omega Flowey, and that laser (Talking from the DB point of view) is light speed. If not considerable, Okay, but Frisk effortlessly dodges lightning attacks from Asriel. EVEN IF Batter lands a swing on Frisk, they are much more durable, and refuse death as I mentioned above. RESET and timeline manipulation are two different things. RESET involves saving the game and starting from the same save slot, whereas Timeline manipulation involves CHARA taking over Frisk's soul, and ultimately taking every timeline involving them, so Batter turning the game OFF won't effect Genocide Frisk at all. It's like pitting a character with 20 Atk and 10 def against a character with 2 Atk and 10000 def.
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO Woah woah woah, If you're referring to The Judge (Pablo), he only gets Star level, and is 4-C tier. Lets get this straight: Batter gets on 5-B (Star) tier, almost same while compared to the Judge. His Atk potency and durabilty only gets planet level. His best notable ability is to turn 'off' the game, which means shutting down game (refer to the OFF Multiverse) Frisk, composite to every route (Genocide, Pacifist, and Neutral, as the fandom calls) sits at low 2-C tier (Universal+). While its true Frisk's atk potency hardly gets wall level, their durability is most likely Big star level (Taking blows from the God of Hyperdeath and Photoshop Flowey), and their most notable abilities are RESET manipulation, Timeline manipulation, and ability to refuse death even if they die. Now Batters atk potency is highly hindered by Frisk's durablity, since Planet level strikes dont affect Big star level Durabilty. If it does, (Pacifist) Frisk can refuse death. Now, when it comes to OFF manipulation, thats a big mess. If we take canon material, OFF manipulation would greatly over come Frisk's RESET manipulation, but since (Genocide) Frisk's soul is taken by CHARA, the entire (Game) would be under their control as long as CHARA has Frisk's soul, so OFF manipulation won't, or at least shouldnt work, according to provided material, since CHARA takes control over the soul and timeline. All info is scaled and provided by 'VS Battle wiki'. Pablo is not outerversal, nor the Batter. They only get Star level, where Frisk sits at Universal+.
@@delite3400 wow calm down. first chara has no reason to own frisk and even more if we are talking about a 1 vs 1 battle. chara is a separate entity that demonstrated things that go beyond what any frisk demonstrated physically, omega flowey only has hax's his physical power as destructive is no big deal, and asriel never received damage or anything from frisk, and to argue that frisk dodged his attacks put him at speed is stupid, when we do not know if they are real light rays, we do not know if they work as one, and even so, death battle itself stated that not all light rays are automatically real light. and if we go to vsbattle wiki, frisk would not even be universal+ considering that now it is no longer considered timeline creation, but a simple save to travel back, which makes his manipulation of timelines only a minor time travel.
@@lavidamevaleunquesou1137 Yeah, now here's the thing: This video confusing CHARA with Frisk, since Frisk is on the MU title and the Real knife on the artwork refer's to CHARA. So first, this is not a 1 vs 1, since we are talking about Genocide Frisk, and later on, CHARA canonically takes over Frisk's soul, hence the timeline is in their control (Reference to the bad ending on Pacifist route if Frisk does the Genocide route in the previous timeline). Controlling and Time travelling are to seperate things. Even if Frisk is'nt Light speed, Batter's already to outspeed since he only gets hypersonic sound level, and Frisk dodges lightning strikes. Even if Batter lands a hit, Frisk refuses death due to Determination. tbh this matchup is a mess, there is no literal way they can kill each other, but since (Genocide composite) Frisk can Control (not time travel) timeline, I'll give the W to Frisk.
i like the use of Megalo Strike Back motifs and it's beat, since Megalo Strike Back is actually NOT an Uundertale theme, but is actually an Earthbound fan theme by Toby Fox, and both Undertale and OFF were inspired by said game
I have a matchup idea for Frisk. "Frisk vs The Knight" The Connections: *They are the protagonists of the two biggest indie games of the past decade Undertale and Hollow Knight. *They are both children of prophecy for Frisk it was being the last one of the seven humans needed to break the seal on the underground to free the monsters. And for The Knight they were birthed from the void and two higher beings them being "The White Lady" and The Pale King to stop the Radiance's Light / Infection / Possession on the citizens of Hallownest and being "The True Hollow Knight". *They have faced literal Gods of their respective worlds and lived. For Frisk they faced Asriel "The God of Hyperdeath". For The Knight they faced The Radiance and Absolute Radiance. *And Finally, They are both The Saviors and The Destroyers of their respective worlds. For Frisk they saved all the monsters in the underground and destroying the seal on it in the "Pacifist Route". And they killed all of the monsters in the underground in the "Genocide Route". For The Knight they killed the Radiance and ending the infection in the "Dream No More" ending. And they unleashed the shade lord on the remains of Hallownest in the first "Embrace The Void" ending. The Track Name could be: "Hollow Hearts" As for Who I think wins: I believe The Knight wins via being slighty stronger, much faster, having a better arsenal / hax, and more powerful.
@@KelYeah777 (1) I have played both games and this is my opinion you can agree or not that is fine you also have an opinion. (1.5) I feel like Frisk has been build up as an unbeatable god in VS Debates like Ben 10, Archic Sonic, and Pegasus Seiya that needs to be humbled. But that being said Frisk would not make it easy for The Knight but I still think that The Knight beats Frisk. (2) How do I pay for it and how much do I need to donated?
@@ianjohns5701 Can the knight end the fight truly? He never shown any abilities that can counter saving and resetting nor does he show any awareness of four wall elements. Frisk can keep resetting until he wins, especially when knight doesn't exactly have an unpredictable attack pattern. Frisk can literally keep dying until he knows the attack pattern of the knight inside out
@@Jgamer-jk1bp I think Frisk can be put down by the Void via possession. Because Frisk has been possessed before like at the end of the genocide route when Chara took control of them. And EVEN IF YOU RESET THE GAME and you finish a pacifist route right after finishing the genocide route it shows that Frisk is still possessed by Chara and it can't be undone unless if you LITERALLY change the games code in the Game Files. And the Void has shown multiple times were void has possessed the citizens of Hallownest like the Bug in the watchtower in the Abyss, The Vessels, THE Hollow Knight, the Kings Molds near and in The White Palace, and The Godseeker in the Junk Pit. So it would not be out of the question that the void could take control of Frisk. And if you scale the Void to Absolute Radiance who is not only more powerful and faster than the original Radiance but also possessed most of Hallownest and since The Shade Lord who is nickname is "THE VOID ENTITY" Completely Destroyed ABSRAD in the Embrace The Void ending helps justify not only this scaling but of what I explained too. In Conclusion one the ways I could see The Knight defeating Frisk is via possession by the void and that why I think that The Knight wins.
@@ianjohns5701 However the knight itself have never used this ability because. We can't assume it can because it's siblings or something similar has done so, it isn't particularly fair.
I imagine the fight ending with Frisk stabbing the Real Knife in The Batter's face. While Frisk didn't WANT to destroy the Timeline, they were nevertheless just as capable of it as Chara, and they're channeling all that power directly into The Batter's skull. He looks into Frisk's eyes and to his shock, they open to look back as Frisk speaks in a mocking and victorious tone. "Purification in progress." Frisk tears out the Real Knife out of The Batter's head, splitting his field of vision in two, and the last thing he sees is their smile. Reminiscent of Chara but showing their teeth, how many they still have after The Batter bashed out 3 with his bat. Showing him what insignifigant damage he did to the one in control of his fate in the final moment before he is erased from existence. Frisk briefly considers LOADing to refight The Batter but decides against it, labelling him "Forgettable" like Papyrus before moving on to The Barrier.
That’d be VERY gorey. I can imagine it being like Shredder vs Silver Samurai. For the start, right when they begin to fight, it’d be cool to see it zoom into both, looking at both of their perspectives, having their RPG battle systems. On the batter’s side it’d be his battle system with the description for Frisk saying “Frisk, one of the fallen children, a determined one.” And on Frisk’s side it’d be Bad Batter instead saying “The Batter, a purifying beast, at least in your case. And his add ons, Alpha, omega, and epsilon.” And for Batter’s ending, I can imagine it being pretty dark. Just having Batter spot the save point, so he sends an add on to destroy it, while slicing Frisk’s arm in the process, and then slicing the other when coming back. And then have the add ons circle Frisk, helpless, before cutting off their head. And then the batter running, taking out the Ashley bat in the process, using ultimate home run, and hitting Frisk’s head so hard it flies into orbit. “I’m The Batter. And my mission, and purpose is to purify. And escaping your purpose is impossible.” A stabbed and filled with scar Batter says. Frisk’s soul then tries to refuse, but then it goes into one last glimpse of Bad Batter, with him just shattering the soul. “You’ve been defeated, Frisk.” The Batter says. As he walks to fight Asgore, his add ons following.
@@melindabolding5601 I feel like it'd be better if Batter was just blinded instead of stabbed and scar-filled. Easier to animate and we can get a badass shot of him pulling down his cap over his eyesockets, the upper half of his face turning from red to black as the shadows come in over the blood.
@@floatingf8783 I imagine if it was blinded it’d go like this. Batter finally gets ahold of Frisk. Grabbing them, and picking them up, as Frisk tries to struggle. But before Batter could even speak. Frisk takes their toy knife out there pocket. “You’d think you would’ve learned that with your pathetic excuse of a weapon, you’re just a child playing a killer, nothing mo-.” The Batter says, clearly annoyed, but Frisk interrupts, as they stab/slash them clean in the eyes. Batter throws them onto the ground. Stomping them until their head busts open. But as Frisk returns, they looked, different. Now in a green shirt and wielding a red knife. Chara then looks at The Batter, smirking. “You couldn’t beat him by now? With his useless monologue as well? What a forgettable monster this will be.” Chara comments, as they get cocky. The Batter then uses one of his competences to unblind himself. As he then opens his eyes, having the eyes of bad batter. “I know.” Batter says, then striking a shot into their legs and torso. “But you must realize, you are one too, but even more pathetic, a helpless child trying to play god so badly.” Alpha rushes at Chara, stabbing through them, and bringing them to Batter. “You are a tricky one to predict. But being that is no excuse of being awfully bad, does it not?” Chara laughs, coughing blood. The camera then goes to Chara’s point of view. Seeing Bad Batter’s full appearance. As Batter rams his head into theirs. “Shut up.” Batter says, annoyed once again. “This must be a pathetic knife, you say?” Chara mocks Batter’s question. Now limping over rapidly, raising their real knife, to attempt to slam it at him. But Epsilon charges at Chara as well. Getting hit instead. Epsilon then fades to black, as it shatters into two. The underground then shatters apart. Just being a black void. “You’ve stroke out 3 times. Today it’s time you retire.” Chara grins, thinking they can take an easy victory. “Sorry kid, but a sinner will did like a sinner.” Bad/The Batter replies, as he uses a Joker to revive Epsilon. They then charge at each other, as the fight continues.
A lot of people have said it already, but it stands: The winner of the fight depends on what the ruling is for win conditions. Also, I'm assuming both combatants have access to their own respective player, who lets their abilities function without any metanarrative confusion. Frisk can reset time as much as they want, so if the only valid victory is a permanent death then Frisk wins, eventually finding the single path to victory. No matter if they're armed with a knife, or a stick, or even if they're unarmed, they'll get to the Batter, and turn him OFF. The Batter is incredibly strong, able to pretty much singlehandedly chew through any opposition (the add-ons help, but not enough to change the verdict), so if one kill is enough then the Batter wins. In a single instance Frisk might dodge the first few attacks, but overall the Batter is just the better fighter, and with a one-kill victory there's nothing to SAVE Frisk.
The Batter would have to be completely nerfed for that to actually work though. Batter has an arguable counter for saving, that being purification. When Frisk gets purified, already they’re sent to the nothingness or erased for existence. Keyword here is already. Frisk gets back? When the user is purified, everything they own will go down with it. Still doesn’t work? He can easily purify the entire underground taking the save points with it. STILL DOESN’T WORK? The secretaries, mind you who have around thousands of HP and do enough damage to even cause The Batter trouble would infest the place instantly. Even if the reset effect still happens, Frisk still has no chances as all of Batter’s and his add ons attacks do way more damage than Frisk could handle. So Frisk is basically in a death loop that never ends, if they’re even lucky for that to happen.
@@gregger_mcgregger Correct me if I'm wrong, but in OFF, can't you start a new game and reload your save, even after doing the world purification ending? That would imply that the power of RESET is stronger than the power of purification, meaning Frisk is beyond the reach of the Batter in that regard. Certainly, the Batter and his add-ons would make it a hilariously unfair and grueling process, but I still feel eventually Frisk could get a win if death repeats are allowed.
@@aldar8240 you can, but Batter has shown that he can force you into things, (Forcing you into the battle system, and other actions.) and not only that but the OFF menu is more exclusive to the player. And remember, Frisk would be purified already, meaning they’d be erased or sent to the nothingness, either one where they can’t do any thing. And not only that, but the save points go down with them. Frisk could get a win with the real knife, but that’s a very huge *could.* Not counting the fact that they’d have to successfully avoid all of The Batters attacks, some being 100% accurate, while The Batter would have to sit still and not react. Other than that, Frisk isn’t going to land probably a single hit on The Batter.
@@gregger_mcgregger I already said at the start of this that both combatants get their respective player, since otherwise it's a mess to work out what is and isn't a valid feat. The Batter clearly isn't capable of forcing you into things on command, as otherwise the player would be railroaded into siding with him in the final confrontation. Any *could* with enough loops becomes a certainty in time, meaning that in time Frisk would win, it'd just be a colossal slog, as I mentioned. The question of if purification could outclass DETERMINATION is fairly unclear and could be argued either way with sufficient effort.
I wondered for a bit about how this fight would even work but i think i see it now: its Batter vs Frisk yes. But Batter thinks its him vs Chara cause he could probably tell they exist in frisk, and Frisk thinks its them vs the batters monster form. Both believe theyre saving the other and destroying a monster. It would be complicated to pull off in a real episode but it has real potential.
The batter would likely win due to having more attack power and more healing options,(Ultimate homerun, Save secret base, etc.) and even if frisk uses save files it would just be more of a nuisance and ending in the same result.
IMO Batter wins, and the reason may be a bit weird. As far as im concerned, Batter has Frisk beaten in stats, but Frisk's infinite rez should allow them to continue fighting the Batter until they've memorized every last one of their attacks right? Well, not really, now pay close attention to what i'm about to say. Based on some theorizing about UT lore and SAVE points, i've come up with a possible theory that Determination is a physical, tangible form of matter (non--Newtonian at that) that can and is manipulated by the Player during their run of Undertale (resulting in the SAVE points and other Determination-related phenomena), which i'll be using for this short explanation. For this reason, the Batter would win because they could Purify the SAVE points needed to give Frisk their rez, leaving them trapped at the game over screen for eternity. Frisk was strong, but the Batter was just too wiling to de *terminate* them.
@@melindabolding5601 Items just mean that the battle will last longer, but they will end sooner or later I'm sorry for being rude, but that's an extremely stupid argument. Also, the purification of locations It will help to win the battle for LOAD just to download the time when the point was, The past. So it's not going to win the battle. But yes, as soon as the SAVE points start to disappear, You will need to replay longer areas, which is exhausting. As long as you don't embody determination.... Oops.
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*"Together, we erradicated the enemy and became strong."*
*"Hence nothing remains except for our regrets."*
This music does both of the games' soundtracks justice, and that's no easy feat.
The music for OFF, when I heard the reference track, I think I might have actually said "oh no" out loud lol
@@BrandonYates The fact that you did it anyway is quite impressive. Have you played either game before or did you just listen to the tracks?
@@matthewbaddams2302 I've played Undertale (and Deltarune), but I had never heard of OFF before.
@@BrandonYates you should
@@BrandonYates what were the reference tracks?
I can't help but think about the implications, because if these two weren't the characters they are, the battle would have probably never happened. Who in his right mind would try to beat an eerily silent child to death with a baseball bat? The Batter would. Who in their right mind would try to kill the first human they've seen in a while? Frisk in the Genocide route would.
I can't even picture either of them being in any way taken aback or impressed with whatever stunt their opponent pulled. Frisk is puppetted into murder, and by virtue of being a small child, is probably so desensitised to it (especially looking af Chara's narration from the route itself - they are both clearly affected by the violence, but accept it as The Thing To Do, since that's what the Player guides them towards), that not even Batter's horrific form would probably shock them much. Meanwhile Batter's entire quest is that of a religious zealot, who had the gall to abandon his family, and trick what is basically a God into slaughter, he wouldn't bat an eye at how lethal a kid can be.
There's this feeling of resignation and distance from the situation, it's less of an epic battle between good and evil, or two equal sides, not a merciless attack on someone helpless, or anything remotely tragic or positive. It feels amoral, a means to an end. That's what this amazing track makes me think of.
He's beaten children to death before. This one just moves around more.
The Batter isn't actually human.
@@Silverwind87 He looks close enough to one that I'm sure Chara doesn't mind all that much.
@@Silverwind87 I don't think Frisk would care.
I don’t know a whole lot about Batter but I’m gonna say Frisk/Chara because seeing how Chara was able to erase the timeline without Frisk’s soul and then create the timeline again with their soul just shows how powerful they are and how much control they have over the timeline
*We're One step away from Sans vs The Judge*
watch me commission sans vs obama instead
@@obamgma do it
I beg you don't only Sans vs judge
Was already an episode of Rewind Rumble a while ago
@@firefli9975 And?
Still would make cool death battle episode
The use of Megalo Strike Back is really nice, though it does cement that this feels more like a Chara Vs. Batter theme. That being said, the person who commissioned the track probably asked for Frisk Vs. Batter and wanted Megalo Strike Back so I can't complain. This sounds great.
I would’ve wanted Megalo Strike Back too ngl
I mean, Chara _is_ Frisk
@@Andrex7042 and frisk is chara
@@Andrex7042 Sort of kind of! Their relationship isn't made super clear, though Pacifist does fully confirm that Frisk and Chara (the Fallen Human) are two different characters.
Megalo strikes back isn’t Chara….or Undertale. It’s an Earthbound fan track Toby did
*Purification in process... It fills you with Determination*
In the words of Rick Sanchez “this is just a stalemate with extra steps.”
Wait when did he say that?
@@QuantumQuill455 it’s a joke I edited his statement of “that’s just slavery with extra steps” line to fit this
@@The_Misanthropic_Magpie Alright.
But Morty was the one who said it first!
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 I know but I found Rick’s one funnier in context
The Real Knife, so probably using genocide route Frisk then.
If this would be a real death battle they would just composite both pacifist and genocide versions.
@TKHulk Ehhhhhh that's vague and up for debate, the impression I always got was that Frisk was always in control (you can basically always reset) until the very end of the game, before that Chara's more of a guide.
@@Ghostguy693
Genocide and Pacifist are far too different to just combine the two, both in abilities and stats.
It would be better to use Chara instead since its basically Genocide Frisk at its peak of power, its also more thematically fitting.
Other that usually when people refer to Frisk they think of Pacifist Frisk rather than Neutral or Genocide.
@@S3rp3nte Yeah but that's dealing with ambiguous canon, which doesn't fly well with DB rules. Also, considering they destroy all existence in one strike, I think it's safe to say that LV 20 Chara is _WAY_ different compared to what most people think of when they hear Genocide Frisk. Kind of a different fight all together. Not to mention it goes against the entire idea of the fight if Chara wasn't the one who killed most of them. Also, you wouldn't really need to combine them, if you're using a specific version??? Don't know what you mean there.
@@Ghostguy693
"Yeah but that's dealing with ambiguous canon, which doesn't fly well with DB rules."
But you cannot just assume that Pacifist Frisk and Genocide Frisk have the same version, its basically don't make sense and it contradiction the story.
"LV 20 Chara is WAY different compared to what most people think of when they hear Genocide Frisk."
That LV 20 originate from Frisk after completing the Genocide Route (after killing Sans, Asgora and Flowey), what Chara can do Genocide Frisk should be able to replicate (after reaching LV 20).
"Also, you wouldn't really need to combine them, if you're using a specific version???"
The only did with Archie Sonic and Kingdom Hearts Mickey, but even that they comparation don't work since they exist in a compelte different continuity compare to their OG version, while Genocide Frisk and Pacifist Frisk does still exist in the same continuity even if they are two different version, a better example would comparing Frisk to Cole from InFamous.
As each version of the latter have their own specific mindset and abilities, and because of that we cannot just combine the two together.
I spent too many seconds trying to understand how Undertale was fighting against a brand of bug-spray.
undertale fans will vs debate against anything these days
@@omegaotaku1342 you got to admit some of the matchups are interesting.
Bug spray has had a buff in vs going from being able to beat small mosquitoes to bigger ones
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 there still bugs tho
@@johnnycake9239 true but they are big
The winner of this fight really depends on how someone would interpret the rules and conditions of a Death Battle. The Batter would absolutely win if we're only concerned with probability of a single death and not ultimate deaths with finality.
Functionally however, to Frisk the Batter and his add-ons would be no different to Undyne or sans - just a really, very difficult boss they got to try over and over to defeat. The Batter lacks any kind of tangible fourth wall awareness outside of the rudimentary understanding that he's being controlled by a vague higher power, he most certainly doesn't seem to recognize what a "Save" is and infact he's utterly baffled by Zacharie's assertions that his entire world is just a game.
I thought you matched Chara with The Batter? You ARE the one who commissioned this, right? What’s going on? Why is this Frisk vs The Batter.
@@voidfoxx2819 No. I did *not* commission this. I commissioned another VS score music artist to do Chara vs the Batter but they were not Brandon nor have they released publically it and I don't believe they would do so of their own volition either.
@@Axarch Oh ok! Now this makes more sense! Also, did you commission Tehgm? I can’t think of anyone else you could have commissioned.
I mean, it might be Frisk’s win. They do mention how Po could theoretically just come back from the dead and I think the implication there is that the battle isn’t over until someone’s dead to the point of being unable to fight.
Though that means Frisk could beat nearly anyone so I’m not so sure if that’d be the case.
@@auraemerald8434 This could very well be a stalemate.
Hey look at this, a commission with the main protag of the game with the funny skeleton man versus a character from a series I definitely knew before this commission, epic. Also this sounds like about every Undertale boss theme put into one, good job with this.
Play Off. If you liked undertale's story and earthbound's gameplay, you'll love Off.
Dear Brandon Yates,
Why are you so awesome? Now this might seem like your average hype question, but no. I'm dead serious here. How are you this good?
Dark sorcery perhaps? This song is too good to be human crafted
I eats me spinach
@@BrandonYates ...You know, I could actually see that being the reason. XD
I’m already listening to the start of this, and the OFF representation is SO GOOD! Brandon, this is DEFINITELY going in my top ten favourite tracks right off the Bat, no pun intended!
I never expected you do one for OFF, mad props to you man
Well, someone paid for it so
@@thecrusader2784 na I'm just amazed that someone know what OFF is
@@aidenreed680 ok
The first Undertale vs OFF track...I hope Ben himself watches these.
Purification in progress vs Stay Determined! Wow Yates you just keep throwing out great tracks left and right, just make sure not to burn yourself out.
Horribly late (Better late than never though), but yeah, I’m the one who commissioned this. Had some issues with how I wanted to go about this comment, so I initially put it on the back burner. Just wanted to explain a couple small things about this track:
I know Megalo Strikes Back isn’t technically a song for Undertale, but it is a song composed by Toby, has become synonymous with the Genocide Route, and also captured the high-paced bit music vibe one would expect from Undertale fight music that I couldn’t really find in any Genocide Route tracks that aren’t themes for other characters.
And for the other thing, a lot of people haven’t been able to get this one, but the main reference track for the Batter was actually Unreasonable Behaviour, which is a bit of an underrated track from the Off OST in my opinion. Don’t worry though, Pepper Steak made it in.
So yeah, that’s about it, and I’m glad that most of y’all like this one!
P.S. Yes, Genocide!Frisk is explicitly the version that this song (And my vision for this episode if it ever happens) goes for.
As someone who as consistently listed to every off track, yeah I can hear the Unreasonable Behaviour influence in the track. And I also agree that It is one of the best off tracks and a personal favorite, followed by Brain Plague
cool! this songs a banger, thanks for commissioning it! i will admit tho i prefer The Batter to fight Omori from OMORI but this is a cool MU too!
Based commission you made, I’m proud.
Cool! Anyway who do you think would win?
@@zacharie2334Frisk probably, i have reasonings
1. Batter's scale would most likely be baseline to high universal via 3 suns with infinite energy, yes there are Immeasurable Args for him but Frisk/Chara could be immeasurable as well
2. A Timeline is literally 4D as it represents Past, Present and Future, Meaning Omega Fowey is 6 times infinite multiversal, and all of the high tiers scale to or below him, frisk(made OF's hp 0 with help, even with help, it does not matter as nothing implies OF's drops below infinite multiversal, it just implies that it goes down an unquantifiable amount), GOH azzy(im not having the debate of GOH azzy vs OF, just know that azzy's stats are infinite in relation to frisk/OF, who are bare minimum 4-D, boom infinite 4-D power which is 2-A), sans(its just his durability negation, dont get it twisted, this is only because flowey states that before frisk fell, that he did every possible situation, meaning kill everyone, spare everyone, steal the human souls and kill everyone, etc, flowey and sans also implies several times through each respective dialougue that they know each other before frisk fell and sans is the ONLY one, unphased by floweys attack, along with flowey's distain for sans, you can tell they fought before through implication), chara(scales to sans and his dura neg, and one shotted a full timeline by themself). Yes This is geno!frisk exclusive, but Batter's still getting stomped via Chara destroying the timeline
Wiz: Frisk, the final fallen human from Undertale
Boomstick: And The Batter, the spectre-smashing purifier from OFF
Wiz: There are a great many reasons people have killed. Some are understandable, like preventing more deaths in the future. Others are less accepted, like creating mayhem and fear.
Boomstick: And sometimes, there's not even a reason at all. But regardless of reason, these two indie game "villains" are among the most genocidal in all of games, all while having no expression on their faces.
Wiz: I'm Wiz and he's Boomstick, and it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win... *a Death Battle.*
At the underground frisk sees that all monster of the snowdin are killed by someone who thought to be human then suddenly the figure approach frisk who turns out to be batter, after batter kills a monster to purify them frisk thinks he’s a threat to the underground then batter ask frisk
Batter: you know where to find the king so I can purify it?
Frisk then grabs on a knife to attack batter but misses
Batter: you’re more than human than I thought but I must full-filled my duty to puffy this world and you
Frisk then ready it’s 7 souls to use in battle and it’s knife to use just in case
Batter: hm so be it
Then batter ready its 3 rings then the 2 charge at each other ready for a battle
FIGHT
What with how abstract these games are it'd be really hard to quantify it in terms of an actual Death Battle.
Frisk gets kinda insane in True Pacifist and she has infinite tries, so 'im betting on them
@@workinprogress9793 Frisk doesn't scale Flowey, nor Asrial, and was only able to keep up because of determination, and Flowey just toying with Frisk. Plus Frisk's save points get countered by The Batter's save blocks. The Batter has much higher stats than Frisk too, as well as more hax in the form of competences. The Batter was even able to beat the shit out of The Queen, who created an entire pocket dimension, and Hugo, who created the OFF universe. The Batter himself was even able to turn off the universe entirely if you chose his ending. The Batter is also aware that he is in a game and controlled by a "puppeteer". Even if The Batter himself dies, his Add-ons will continue to fight for him.
@@thecrusader2784 1. Frisk does scale in durability to Asriel. They tanked Asriel's timeline erasing attack, that's higher than literally anything in OFF.
2. "They were only able to keep up because of Determination" ... You know DT is the thing that powers Frisk up, right? It's like saying that Goku isn't stronger than Jiren because he needed Ultra Instinct to beat him, lmao.
2. Frisk's SAVES being countered would be a lot more relevant if they didn't have the ability to refuse to die, and at one point ignore game mechanics so they can keep living (like having 0.1 HP).
3. The Batter didn't erase the entire universe by himself, he needed to use a tool (the switch) to do it.
4. Being aware of the game isn't relevant at all here. All of the higher tier characters in UT know what's up too.
5. Fodder Add-Ons won't make a difference.
6. Better hax than Frisk? Lmao. Immortality, ability to remove status effects, Time manipulation, status effect inducement, and breaking the 4th wall.
7. Better stats? The Batter is Star Level at max, and subsonic (MFTL was debunked) VS Frisk, who has Universal Dura and Immesurable speed. The Batter wouldn't even know he's dead before being hit 1000 times over in a second.
Overall, this was another garbage argumeny where you obviously didn't read anything else i commented and deciddecided to regurgitate the same trash arguments other people say.
Frisk wins, and it's not even close.
@@workinprogress9793 deciddecided
@@workinprogress9793 I agree with most of these points, it's just that for number two, I always thought Frisk surviving with less than one HP was a result of Asriel's power, not their own. Basically, Asriel was purposefully making his attack weaker because he didn't want to kill Frisk anymore. That's what I thought was happening when I first played the game.
It was already pretty catchy but the the tempo change at the end made it better. Creepy and mysterious, but also upbeat and hopeful. An excellent showing for these characters.
Is this the first one of these that has an RPGmaker character? Really cool that we got one of these, wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like Omori vs. Madotsuki in the future.
I would be very very happy to see Jimmy from Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass in one of these
I think I prefer OMORI vs. Batter but cool.
yes please i really want omori vs madotsuki
Oh my god now I wanna see Terry Hintz vs Berdly or Brad vs The Batter
@@jollyjadentnt7963 Chara is a good alternative for Omori too
an old friend of mine that was a fan of both games loved this
Why don't you show them!
Alex vs Cole soundtrack name should be called The Infamous Protype.
Blacklight Storm sounds cool too imo
People keep saying that Frisk would just reset after dying, but it would always be the same outcome. The Batter purifies em, they reset, repeat. So it would technically count as a win for the Batter as there is almost no way Frisk could kill him, while the Batter would just heal using items and his Bases too revert any damage done to him.
The endless standstill
Time to debunk this, also noting I honestly only played Undertale once I’m not some fanboy.
The Batter is stronger and faster, yes, and Purify is arguably a one hit kill, but he has one key weakness: Being Predictable.
Obviously yeah he’ll kill Frisk/Chara a couple dozen times, but after awhile like Undertale they’ll remember his attack patterns dodge them accordingly (like she dodged similarly faster and stronger opponents like Sans, Undyne or Asriel who has Lightning mind you, and Sans’ Blasters could be arguably light based attacks as they are called lasers in the files), and while Purify 100% can one shot the problem is that it’s almost guaranteed to be dodged after awhile.
This isn’t a matter of Batter being weak, he’s most certainly stronger than Frisk, it’s just that Frisk has dealt with opponents just like him, faster, stronger, but they’re all predictable, enough attempts and it’ll be nearly impossible for Batter to land a single hit.
Also he has no means of knowing Frisk is saving as he has no 4th wall abilities outside of his awareness of being controlled by a higher power as he is dumbfounded and in disbelief when he’s told he’s in a game.
TL;DR: While Batter is most certainly stronger and will kill Frisk perhaps dozens of times, but eventually after learning his attacks and patterns there’ll be no way of him achieving victory, as Frisk has battled opponents faster and stronger then themselves many times.
Under this logic if there is any possibility at all that Frisk wins and kills the Batter then they win because eventually they would have to win from a temporal perspective.
If you put someone in a situation where they have to overcome miniscule odds and they keep having to do that same thing it until it's done, then the by virtue of probability states there is a specific, if unlikely scenario they would overcome aforementioned miniscule odds.
In other words, there is no way the Batter could win 100% of the time. He is not invulnerable in any sense of the word.
Also there's no healing items in Death Battle - both combatants only go in with what they usually have on their person in a fight.
@@MrLimboRL you say it as if the difference in strength and speed was little when in fact, the batter scales to MFTL+ stuff along with solar system stuff.
frisk at his best scales to building level stuff to maybe more, his best hax's is not offensive and does no real damage, he never did real damage to characters like asriel or omega flowey, in fact the latter also has no physical power comparable to his feats of creating timelines.
no matter how skilled frisk is, his opponent is absurdly superior to him in every physical aspect, not to mention that he faces 3 things that have the same level as batter, he dies will be revived by the add-ons.
@@lavidamevaleunquesou1137 Ok so here's the best speed feat in undertale
The Hyper Goner feat
In the pacifist route, Frisk escaped the Hyper Goner, it's like a blackhole but it consumes entire timelines
So... frisk might be around MFTL+
Correct me if i'm wrong, not sure if this one counts because it's from the pacifist route and we are using genocide frisk
* You encounter The Batter
*...
* For some reason, you can feel *SOMETHING* crawling up your back.
[Purification in Progress.]
Wide Angle.
Frisk,one of the determined.
HP: ???
Wiz: Frisk, the happy human hero of Undertale
Boomstick: And the Batter, the heroic puppet and ultimate baseball player of OFF.
Wiz: These two prove that no battles deserve to be fought. Sometimes all you need is fun and kindness.
Boomstick: Well, SCREW THAT SHIT! We don’t do mercy around these parts! Only the greatest of “happy people” can live for another day! He's Wiz and I'm Boomstick.
Wiz: And it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win a Death Battle!
Wiz: Long ago, two races ruled over Earth: Humans and Monsters. One day war broke out between the two races. After a long battle, the Humans were victorious, and the monsters were sealed underground with a spell from seven human mages.
Boomstick: Seven because thirteen would possibly fail. Lucky number my ass.
Wiz: Many years passed, and the place that was sealed became Mt. Ebott. Legends say that those who climb Mt. Ebott never return.
Boomstick: But some poor kids went there, and well, never returned. Funny how that happens in legends.
Wiz: Six humans fell, and never returned. It wasn't long before another wandering child fell into the Underground. This is the tale of Frisk the Human.
@@scrapfox3695 Nice! I only focused on the intros!
@@austinkniga-bartlett8657 Aw thanks. I liked how you started off with that intro. Really nailed the current way they introduce the combatants ^^
@@scrapfox3695 Boomstick: Wait, Frisk? That’s his, or her, name?
Wiz: Their name, Boomstick, and yes.
@@kingmagnus4009 Her. It's been confirmed and I don't buy the Woke Society's crap for even an anosecond.
(this is technically chara vs the batter but still either way)
I honestly have no idea how this'll go. The Batter is a powerhouse, literally purifying a world and its inhabitants, and it seems that hes much stronger than Chara in the actual battle department, after all she (or frisk if you wanna be that way) only ever did wipe out the underground... but that's where it gets complicated. When Frisk/Chara's determination is thrown into play, we don't really know how it goes. In the pacifist route, Frisk is shown to be able to defy death when they went up against Asriel, a supposedly universal being, and of course, there are resets, but then again... that's just the extent we've seen of determination, and honestly, I think it can do a lot more, but despite it being a super-powerful force, it's somewhat vague with its limits, and Chara even moreso. So it's really a question of can The Batter overcome Chara's determination? If not, then this goes to Chara, resetting and defying the killing blows (if he even can, I don't even know what Chara is, but we can assume Frisk is some kind of vessel for the fight) he dishes out until he just goes down entirely. If he can, then Chara/Frisk is demolished, they are still children playing with knives afterall.
Asriel is actually Multiversal, though he just barely caps at Multiversal, for being able to destroy multiple timelines containing a multitude of different universes, even without the scaling, Frisk's determination could POSSIBLY place them at MFTL+, possibly greater when you consider they went toe to toe with Asriel. I think Batter is also MFTL+ but Frisk has probably shown more consistent MFTL speed feats, and the time-line resetting ability really screws with Batter here, as he won't really have a counter to constant resetting after deaths, it's very plasaubile that he'll get just as depressed as sans after each and every time he tried to kill Frisk, and then that would be the opening Geno Frisk needs.
Of course this could also very likely by a stale-mate, if we're talking logical conclusions.
@@kaspikey9553 but save points just mean she will keep dying over and over.
@Applespider12 if you take into consideration Low Multiversal Frisk this is such a big stomp that it ain't even funny
@@melindabolding5601 Frisk tanked Multiversal Asriel, The Batter ain't even gonna scratch them.
@@workinprogress9793 she’s not multiversal at all. Even if she was, this is no stomp and would rather go in Batter’s favor. Batter killed his OWN CREATOR. Frisk hasn’t even scratched annoying dog. Batter has also killed a giant, Frisk needed outside help to do that. And if you argue with Asriel’s attacks. 1. That was a laser beam, not the hyper goner which actually destroyed the timelines. 2. Frisk barely survived that. Batter can also damage hundreds of damage and has thousands of HP. That is way too much for both Frisk’s HP and damage to handle. “Oh but that’s a game Mechanic” any thing that’s just a game mechanic in both OFF and Undertale are indeed real and canon, heck, Zacharie, someone who plays a pretty big role in OFF said that they are in a video game. If it were to be ‘just a game mechanic’ then that’d mean that not only save points are just game mechanics but OFF and Undertale entirely is just a game mechanic.
One of the best requests I've seen yet. Would love it if this was an actual episode.
Derieri:Bottom line is your dead human “COMBO STAR”
Frisk:-_-*loads save*
Chara: Well… *Batter up. =)*
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
@@rodrickgoldberg2324 greaystillplays:just add more zeros.
@@rodrickgoldberg2324 Batter:this isn’t your fight pal,now go home.
The Bayter should win. The power of reset is the only thing that's keeping Frisk in the battle, but the Batter is so much faster, so much stronger, and has much better ways to put Frisk down, the power of reset won't save them.
Reset won't let them
Also I know for sure batter didn't survive a attack from a guy with inf as his stat attk
outlier due to dying, just coming back due to certain circumstances
@@johnnycake9239 But Frisk never killed Asriel. So thats not really impressive.
It depends what frisk we use pacifist dies easily but if we use chara chara wins easily due to the universe+ durability and strength
I don't even play Undertale and I can tell this sounds like something that would be in the game
I don't know much about OFF, but using Frisk in a Death Battle at all raises some good questions about what constitutes a loss in Death Battle, as well as the difference between a character and the player controlling them.
That aside, Frisk's control of the timeline isn't absolute. In theory they could lose it if their Determination is taken away, although this has never happened and it's implied that Frisk generates their own Determination. It's also possible to usurp them by having more Determination, as Flowey does by taking the other human souls. Not to mention, Frisk doesn't control everything; Flowey retains his memories, and Chara seems to be unaffected altogether.
Sans has passing memories, but it mostly is deja vu to him
Flowey and Chara are wholey unaffected.
But, Batter's 4th wall awareness is quite weak. He's aware of a higher power controlling him. But is completely baffled by Zacharie's talk of them being in a video game.
I'm fairly certain he'd retain no prior memories. Frisk would eventually win off having an infinite amount of tries
And keep in mind, Batter killed Hugo, who created the entire Off universe, and he obviously existed before he created space-time, so that's a possible Uni+ and Inmeasurable speed upgrade to Batter.
@@LordZanas Him being confused by Zacharie is played more by comedic effect, as you start the game Batter quite literally tells you how to control him using the keyboard.
I'm pretty sure that Frisk would win because of the saving files being canonical for them. Death doesn't even matter for them.
Yes
@MP Before every attempt at Sans he’ll say he’s doing a good job and tell you how many times you’ve died, in the Asriel fight you literally ignore death. Yeah pretty sure saving and coming back from death is canonical.
@MP Can you say what the guy originally said?
@MP That explains a lot.
@MP I worded it wrong, I made a mistake
Listening to this song... it fills you with determination.
And probably with a will to commit some atrocities, but that's all well and good... right?
Playable characters that can either end up betraying their players, or making their players betray them. Gotta say i’m rooting for batter on this one.
All of frisks enemies are vulnerable to another persons level of violence because thats undertale monster physiology. The batter (whatever the hell kind of abomination is.) doesn’t have this vulnerability, neither do his add ons. His enemieis don’t have this weakness either to he can quite literally beat gigantic mystical monsters to death with (mostly) raw physical power and take attacks from them too.
Chara probably wins because she destroyed the undertale universe in a single blow and survived the erasure of that universe not to mention resetting
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 yes, chara did, but did frisk? Even If Chara was controlling frisk throughout the genocide route the majority of the time I feel like they were limited to the last fallen humans constraints to the rules until they reached lv 20 which at that point all player agency is completely gone, so its not really a feat on frisks part. Beyond that by the rules of the undertale universe wouldn’t batter have a higher LV given you can kill more specters, guardians, and corrupt elsen than you can monsters in the genocide route? I’m not sure if chara’s verse destruction feat is a strength thing or reality thing So i’m not sure how one would even calculate that..pluse I think they said world not universe so thats vague.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 it was universe also if we are using frisk batter wins it really depends if we use chara or frisk I was just using chara because I saw the real knife
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 chara says they’d destroy the world not universe at the end of the genocide route, we don’t see any evidence of the entire cosmos getting erased really. frisk also uses the real knife against sans technically, I don’t chara has full control until the player reaches level 20, so defeating sans is a frisk feat I think. I’m sticking to frisk cause thats what the title says I guess pfft.
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 I'd argue Batter beating Frisk is debatable, as, unlike Frisk, he canonically doesn't have meta awareness of things like "saves", nor aware of his own deaths enough to adapt to them. The most he has is a vague sense that he's being controlled by something (the player), his lack of awareness put in perspective with how he treats the ACTUAL 4th wall breaking character in the game. On top of that, OFF makes it perfectly clear that the player and Batter are two separate characters and, moreover, that the player can willingly separate themselves from the Batter. On the other side of things, Frisk is pretty entirely a player stand-in, with Chara being the separate character.
To put it simpler, Batter can't load saves on his own, only the player can. Frisk, on the other hand, is explicitly in control of their own death-rewinding.
And, if we're kicking Chara from the fight, we'd also logically kick Batter's player from the fight as well, as they're both canonically separate entities.
Even if we assume Frisk is only doing a pixel of damage with each landed hit, they'd still inevitably win since Batter has no win condition to beat them to.
Could be a nice undertale mod.
Criteria could be... Do the Genocide Route Twice in a Row, Then do Pacifist (Clearing Geno x2 IS important for story), if it were cannon in some alternate universe.
And this music doesn't start until the second part of the battle.
[The battle starts where the ending cutscene would begin at the end of Asriel's Pascifist Battle, just out of nowhere. Imagine kind of like how Chara confronts you in the end]
[You are level 1 and the battle music in the first stage is 'peper steak']
[THE BATTER appears in his monster form]
[Your name is FRISK]
THE BATTER catches you OFF guard!
* You ask THE BATTER what his sacred mission is. [Getting hit by an attack]
*THE BATTER doesn't acknowledge
*THE BATTER remains stoic and emotionless. [Don't get hit]
*Purification, he replies.
*You plead with The Batter to better explain his mission and if you could help him in it. [Don't get hit, two turns]
*He replies that he already has help.
*You ask once more what the sacred mission is. [Criteria is you take no damage for 3 turns by dodging]
*THE BATTER, irritated by your repetitiveness, finally responds.
[BATTER, and the music stops]: "...to rid the world of pointless suffering."
*You ask what he's talking about.
BATTER: "Feign no ignorance, you demented child of evil. Your perversion for destruction and restoration in an endless repetitive cycle has ripped me from the void. Thousands of screaming specters crying out repeatedly, over and over. I cannot rest."
[Menu text is "..." and only ACT can be selected]
* Check
* Then why are you wasting my time? [in Red Text]
* Ask
BATTER: "You will be defeated, CHARA, demon guardian of the ????? Zone. Soon this land will be pure."
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[Now the music starts 0:00 ]
[THE BATTER is now in his human form]
[THE BATTER now has his Add-ons.]
[You are now Level 21 with the knife, the level text just immediately changes to this when the music starts]
[Your name is now RED]
[Your SOUL is just the bold red outline of the heart sprite]
[SPARE is replaced with GUARD/or some kind of stat or healing gimmick]
Flavor Text:
* Determined to purify.
* Play Ball?
* It's as if a God is judging you.
* It's as if God's watching you. He's sitting on a folding chair eating popcorn. (rare % appear, joke)
* etc
-----
...
Bonus, no-damage rare attack (More flavor text, not player's actual stats)
*ALPHA examines you.
[Unavoidable, but harmless, OFF Wide Angle animation in battle square]
[in a different text font]:
* CHARA x 1
* Malevolent, demonic entity.
* HP: 2100 / ATK: 999/ DEF:999
* Strong Resistance to GUILT
* Strong Resistance to EMPATHY
* Slight weakness to DANDELIONS
* Slight weakness to GRAVITY
Saw a fanmade Death Battle of this using Geno Frisk, althoufh unfortunately they lost. Not too familiar with OFF myself but apparently it was determined that some sort of purifying attack of the Batter's was able to permanently destroy Frisk's SOUL. They were still able to take out the circle things at first at least though.
That’s literally not how it would wokr
@@sptflcrw8583 kind of is. the Batter's purification destroys things on a metaphysical level as well as physical. but even if not for that, he would likely surpass Frisk's determination
@@uncroppedsoop how would he surpass it? Frisk's literal fucking soul gets destroyed when they die in undertale and they still come back no problem
@@sptflcrw8583 monsters cannot hold ANY determination. by Undertale's rules, it's not a matter of _how_ much determination you have, but having more than anybody else, to control save states. Sans frustrating you to the point that you give up the geno route is a possible canonical outcome, and as Chara points out, it's the player that provides the source of the determination. meanwhile in OFF, the Batter will NOT take no for an answer, going so far as to force the player's own hand back into his plan if you side with the Judge and fail at entirely and fully killing him. Frisk persisting after death isn't a Frisk thing, it's an Undertale thing, whereas the Batter destroying your own agency in spite of being the character you PLAY AS, is a Batter thing
@@uncroppedsoop what's your point? The Batter doesn't have Determination, he's not taking away the ability to reset and reload.
To see you make a Versus song with OFF fills me with so much damn joy, thank you.
How would one even put down Frisk for good? The kid treats death as a minor inconvenience.
Not really
Probably by getting rid of thier determination. Since Frisk resetting is basically the player trying again, if they give up it's game over
@@thecrusader2784 Yes really.
@MP yeah but given that the Batter is leagues above Frisk, determination alone won't save them.
@MP pretty sure Chara was the one who erased the timeline, and given when they did that they took the power of reset from Frisk and killed Frisk along with the timeline, meaning Chara is superior to Frisk and thus Frisk doesn't scale to that iffy feat to begin with.
This is such a good mix of music styles!
Very nice track! Think this MU is cool even though I don’t know anything about OFF lol. Love the MSB in here
Imma write cliff notes for how I think the battle anim would go based off the song. Not how I think it would go with research, just how the song feels.
Frisk takes an early lead in the fight. Using the dull dagger.
Batter uses a competence for a sudden shift in momentum. Landing a series of devastating blows, with the aid of his add-ons.
Frisk's eyes briefly flash red. The fight becomes a fairly even back and forth very suddenly.
Batter lands a seemingly decisive blow. He pauses amidst rubble, waiting for Frisk to emerge.
Chara emerges in Frisk's place. Armed with the knife and pendant. Suddenly gaining a massive momentum and badly injuring Batter.
Batter heals himself with a competence and looks up at Chara with pale white eyes.
Batter rises to his feet and roars with rage. Turning into Bad Batter.
Chara does their best, even lands a few hits. But Bad Batter ultimately dominates and overwhelms.
His determination over powers Chara. The heart breaks, and the game over screen pops up. But instead of reset or quit, it simply says "Purification Complete"
Cut to the Bad Batter walking away from Chara's corpse as the song plays out.
At times I’d feel like it’d cut to the camera zooming to Frisk’s perspective, all of them just being Bad Batter. While we go to Batter’s as well, just being him, but not a monster. And I’d like to see a scene where Frisk keeps dodging lots of Batter’s attacks, while Batter keeps attacking, tanking the hits from their weapons. It’d be an epic while accurate way to show their fighting styles.
@@melindabolding5601 I like that idea! Though, I'd wait to introduce him as Bad Batter from Frisk's perspective until they see some of his power. Remember, he only becomes Bad Batter because we view him as a monster. If Frisk thought he was just a dude at first, the transformation when he starts flexing would be sudden and startlingly bad ass.
And I love the idea of Batter swinging at Frisk, who dodges, while chipping at Batter whp simply doesn't care
The Batter completely destroys Frisk, at first. His feats include killing The Queen, the person who literally created the Sun in the lore of OFF and his own creator that also created the entire OFF universe, putting him at Solar System to potentially Universal. Nothing in Undertale outside of Omega/Photoshop Flowey, Asriel, and potentially Chara have done anything nearly that strong, and Frisk doesn't necessarily scale to them directly stat wise.
He also has a variety of Competences (basically spells like healing, elemental attacks, and powerful strikes) and his Add-Ons which function as additional party members with their own Competences. However Frisk's own Determination would allow them to continue coming back again and again, trying to figure out how to defeat The Batter and dying, meaning the fight could go on for eternity until Frisk finally landed the fatal blow... if The Batter didn't have the perfect way to counter it and make sure the child stayed in their coma: The Batter's Purification.
Allow me to borrow a small part of info from the Frisk vs Batter Death Battle Fanon Wiki page as they explain it better than I can.
"The Batter normally fights specters, or ghosts. A ghost, is what's left when the soul, the sence of being, leaves its body and roams outside without having a body. In OFF, even the most innocent Elsen can be considered an specter by The Batter, and that means that even the tiniest sin is enough to consider you an specter, and the greater the sins, the greater the effect of The Batter's purification, whose power lies in erasing those who overstep the divine laws and decides to show discord among the living. So, taking this into account, Frisk could keep up in a fight against The Batter, who in addition to being physically more powerful, also possesses a greater power against the determined soul of Frisk, his Purification, which would make the DETERMINATION remain null as the sins that Frisk carries are more than enough to be considered a specter by The Batter, what means an imminent destruction for the child because his soul will be weak against Purification, which has managed to eliminate intangible beings such as ghosts, and completely destroy vast stretches of land."
However I have heard some people claim Frisk stomps via Universal to Universal+ to potentially Multiversal and I would like to use this chance to clear that potential misconception up. If you're satisfied with my concussion you can stop here, otherwise feel free to read the ramblings of a lunatic with too much time on his hands.
Now I believe they got that from scaling the Fallen Child to Omega Flowey, Asriel, and the "You made your choice long ago" Chara feat. Well all 3 of these feats can be struck down with logic and understanding the context of said feats.
For Omega Flowey, you have to remember that he had the power of 6 humans souls and was much stronger than Frisk, as evident with their ability to override Frisk's ability to save with their own, not unlike Frisk did when the first fell underground, and was easily shrugging off blows from Frisk with only 1 damage until Frisk started convincing the souls to rebel against Flowey, which weakened his power and defense, and Frisk was constantly being healed by said 6 souls. As for surviving attacks from Omega Flowey, considering how he can oneshot Frisk multiple times in quick succession, as shown at the end of the fight after the fake out and before the souls fully rebel against Flowey, it's entirely likely and in character for Flowey to have been holding back to make Frisk suffer.
Asriel is a similar but different case, he's much more powerful than Frisk, and anything Frisk did couldn't hurt him physically, as for surviving attacks from Asriel, this is another case of holding back, something Asriel outright admits to doing, it's possible he wasn't even going all out either in the second phase either, considering Omega Flowey is technically weaker than Asriel as he only has 6 Souls, Asriel has the same 6 Souls and the equivalent of 1 Human Soul from practically every Monster soul, Asriel should also be capable of oneshoting Frisk, and they almost do with their Rainbow beam attack, but Frisk is barely able to hold on. Whether this is due to the Frisk's immense determination, Asriel simply being unable to bring himself to kill them at this point, or even a combination of the two is unclear. One thing is clear however, Frisk doesn't scale to Asriel.
Finally Chara's end of the Genocide route feat. Now many like to use this as proof of Frisk and Chara being Universal or Multiversal, however this feat is highly debatable in what's going on and can be interpreted a number of ways. You can say Chara is destroying the timeline you just liberated, you can say Chara destroyed a bunch of Timelines, you can say Chara destroyed all of Undertale and all possible timelines with it, you can even argue Chara merely severed Frisk or The Player's ability to play the game, hard to say exactly what they destroyed / erased. And they even bring back whatever they destroyed for the player, whether that's them recreating the game or just recreating Frisk's / the Player's way back is also unclear. Also this was something only done when the player reached LV 20, and we don't know the specifics of this LV, sure they oneshot Asgore shortly after reaching LV 20 from Sans, but remember, Asgore's guard was down he didn't expect them to immediately attack him.
Also, it was Chara who preformed this feat, not Frisk, meaning it's entirely possible that this feat is just one of Chara's own exclusive powers or them using their own magic, you can't write off the possibility especially in a world of magic with a human who grew up in the presence of powerful boss monsters like Toriel or Asgore. Especially since humans canonically can learn magic as seen in the opening when the mages created the barrier. Even if humanity forgot how to use magic, they still have the potential to use magic. Meaning this could just as easily be just a hax ability of Chara's making it an outlier. Heck you can say Omega Flowey and Asriel are also outliers due to the nature of their battles.
So yeah, I hope this clears up my logic a bit as well as where I think Frisk and Chara stand now. You have to understand the context of the situation and the variables surrounding their feats, don't just blindly say "Oh Frisk and Chara beat Omega Flowey and Asriel therefore they're universal" that's just dumb. By that logic, you can say the likes of Sans, Papyrus, and Undyne should also be Universal or higher because they can damage Frisk and survive a hit from them.
This concludes my Ted Talk.
So it appears that purification is equivalent to karmic retribution but on steroids, however the Save system that Frisk uses relies solely on determination and not on the soul itself. As seen where whenever Frisk dies his soul literally breaks, shatter and explodes. Thus soul destruction from purification simply seems to be an instant kill move than a guarantee win condition against time manipulation.
Determination is seemingly unaffected by anything below universal manipulation level(killing beings considered universal level doesn't exactly mean resisting or having immunities against such abilities.), plus in pacifist route didn't he literally refuse to die? And he technically have some form of purification too when he "saved" the monsters and in the end Asriel at the final battle.(It even says he saved the "lost souls", you know like spirits?) Causing Asriel to lose the will to fight Frisk.
@@Jgamer-jk1bp Those are fair points, but even if Frisk could continue to come back from purification and outright refuse death itself, that doesn't negate any of The Batter's other advantages. Especially since there is also a clear speed gap between the two I forgot to mention.
Frisk's fastest known speed feat is that they can dodge magical lightning from Asriel and Vulkin. If you REALLY want to be generous and scale it to real lightning and assuming a high end speed, of the lightning be created from 200m up, this would make Frisk 7000 m/s, or about 20 times the Speed of sound, giving them Hypersonic+ reaction time and dodging speed, again this is being VERY generous to Frisk. In contrast, The Batter can perfectly maneuver around the Nothingness, where everything travels at the speed of light, giving him faster than light reaction time, and he apparently flew to the sun in seconds.
Also the Lost Souls part was more like Frisk trying to get the monster souls to remember who they are rather than purification. Sorta like the part where Frisk calls for help from the 6 Human Souls Flowey absorbed during the Omega Flowey battle. The Batter's Purification is way different, especially when you look at how it affects the Zones when you "purify" them.
Also if Frisk really could purify, then why couldn't they just kill Napstablook, I mean he's a ghost and Batter can k̶i̶l̶l̶ purify ghosts? Then again that might just be splitting hairs as Monster Ghosts in Undertale likely aren't the same as the Spectres we see throughout OFF.
Though on the note about purification. If it wipes away all that is impure like color, words from books, among other things, then could it theoretically wipe away Frisk's determination itself from their soul in general, killing them for good?
I mean I'm not saying it would absolutely work, I'm asking if it could possibly work? I don't know, food for thought.
@@merchantziro4285 I didn't play OFF to know if it counts so I wouldn't know, I'm just stating what I know of Frisk's feats because I've played their game numerous times. the only time his determination is cancelled(thus saving and resetting disabled) is when he face god-like beings, so unless purification is scaled on a reality bending or universal scale than perhaps it can damage if not destroy determination altogether and disallow save and reset. Sure Frisk dodged lightning but wouldn't his higher speed feat be dodging laser beams from both Sans and Asriel?(Gaster Blasters having their attacks labelled as lasers and Asriel rainbow laser attack).
Plus I do agree physically and even magically Frisk is clearly outmatched severely by Batter. However that's just another day in the life of Frisk, he usually faces foes that physically outmatch him in stats and battle. With most of the enemies he fights having higher stats than he ever does, his biggest gimmick is coming back to life and fighting again and again until he memorised all attack patterns and use tricks and techniques to finish of the enemy.
@@Jgamer-jk1bp That would be a fair assumption but I'm not sure how fast Gaster Blasters and Chaos Blaster would count at relative to the lightning feat, especially when they can't avoid things like like Omega Flowey's mouth laser in his kill load spam or Asirel's final laser attack when he ends the battle and can't kill them either due to sheer determination, he really doesn't want to kill Frisk now that he's Asriel again and not Flowey, or a combination of the two like I said before. They could also be aim dodging since you have enough time to dodge the attacks when you see them coming, even if those windows are rather brief especially with Sans.
Also Frisk only their Save and Load when facing a being with more Determination than them like Flowey with 6 Souls and Asriel with the equivalent of 7 Souls, Flowey even mentions he had the power to Save and Load until Frisk showed up with more Determination than him.
Also also, Frisk only bested said godlike beings by reaching out for help from the souls of the humans and making them feel emotions. The Batter is about as stoic and unfeeling as it gets, he has shown some emotions but gives so few shits about everything, but I don't think Frisk would be able to turn those emotions against him like they did for Flowey. Especially since this is Death Battle after all.
@@merchantziro4285 The mouth laser and impossible to dodge final laser attack could be Asriel/Omega Flower pulling their game mechanic/reality bending shenanigans to force Frisk to face an attack that he can't dodge. Also what you said kinda proves Batter can't counter his determination as the only times Frisk's determination is outmatched when he faces beings that literally contain more determination than him due to being an actual fusion of numerous human souls versus a single human soul. It isn't a fair match to begin with as both final bosses are technically Frisk(1 human soul) Vs the power of seven human souls. If we assume Batter only has a single human soul, he can't counter Frisk's overwhelming determination to literally cheat death itself.
Didn't Frisk befriend Undyne which is literally a monster hell bent on killing humans? Sure if it's the genocide timeline where she outright says she fight to protect both monsters and humans but I remember Undyne not being very friendly with Frisk. All of this doesn't really matter because death battle rules indicate no happy ending or peaceful outcome
I know nothing about OFF but death is just an inconvenience for Frisk so imma go with them
@@John-oo6ng but does he have a counter to frisk resetting the time line? Also using the most powerful version of Frisk/Chara they can deal over 2190 in a single hit.
@@John-oo6ng 1. the OFF universe is much smaller than our own so a trip to the sun so the batter going there isn't that impressive and even if the OFF universe is the same size as our own we A. dont know how far the sun is B. we dont know how in game long it took for the batter to reach could've taken weeks for all we know 2. frisk can somehow survive the timeline being destroyed (that timeline also has a universe in it) and the whole durability negation thing? doesn't frisk fight characters who target the soul and not the physical body
@@KelYeah777 but Undyne's spears are so
Long that they have to pierce the body if they want the soul.
@@jokino5393 Frisk and her save points just make her keep dying until they give up.
Purify go brrr
Both characters can acess the save game, it's not just on Undertale but in OFF too. The white cat The Judge tells us the player and the batter that we can use the cubes to save the game and some of them we can use to travel at the speed of light.
And in terms of revival both on the same level, but the Batter has superior Stats and even the Add-ons helping him.
The batter takes this easily
OFF Caps at High Uni, Chara negs the verse
Ahem, Both aren't on the same level in terms of Revival
Geno!Frisk/Chara is literally 4D in the end of genocide, via destroying the timeline in one slash, if you talk abt the wind, that's just an ambient, therefore Chara would destroy Batter in one slash, thus Destroying one timeline means you destroyed more than One Timeline in Undertale, and One Single Timeline > Anyone in OFF, While Batter caps at Infinite 3D via destroying 3 Suns with Infinite Energy
Therefore, Frisk would end up taking this
@@ThatNiko.Can you tell me what any of that even means? I understood 0
@@canaryedits900if its infinite energy how do you surpass that by talking about 4D?
@@Rustcat666 Okay so first of all, infinite is bounded by 3D, meanwhile Timelines are 4D by default, this makes Finite 4D > Infinite 3D
I made a really nice reply to a comment, and I decided to just copy and paste it as its own comment. My opinion has altered slightly in how the battle would go now.
Hello. I am here to give you some proper stats.
I myself have a maxed out save file of OFF, though the gear I used isn't the best of the best, it's still pretty close. The gear I have is the Lewis Bat, Aura of Power, Neil Tunic, Colour of Neglect, and Secret Day. I will not be including Esprit and Agility, as it will make things confusing
Batter Stats
HP: 4939
Attack: 557
Defense: 487
Now, let's compare this to a maxed out LVL 20 Frisk.
Frisk Stats
HP: 99
Attack: 30
Defense: 30
Now, keep this in mind. The Undertale wiki says that when the protagonist enters a battle with an LV of 20, their AT and DF automatically sets to 30 and their maximum HP to 99. This change is never seen in-game because the only instance of the protagonist's LV getting to 20 is after their battle with Sans, who is the final opponent the protagonist can practically fight. So that's why the Defense isn't 4 and the Attack isn't 38.
The stat difference shows the difference in sheer physical ability definitely. But I still would like to think this fight would end as a tie, considering the two have won against the in-game equivalent to god. (Asriel Dreemurr and The Queen), and that the two of them having Players would just make it an eternal battle.
Ingame Stats doesn't count 💀
Here is the background and feats for both characters:
Frisk
Background
Age: 12
Height: 4’10
Species: Human
Gender: Ambiguous
Last of the 8 humans to fall into the Underground
Suspected of Being Reincarnation of Chara
Feats
Avoided Lightning
Made Knight Knight go to sleep by singing
Capable of killing(or Charming) every monster in the Underground
Can deal nearly ten-billion damage with one strike at LV 20
Survived Undyne's oven explosion
Defeated Toriel, Undyne, Megaton, Asgore, Omega Flowey, Asriel
The Batter
Background
French Name: Le Batteur
Gender: Male
Occupation: Baseball Player, Spirit-Cleanser
Hobbies: Playing Baseball, Reading Comics, Kill anything he deems unholy
Family: Hugo(Son), The Queen(Past Lover), The Player/You(controller)
Feats
Can survive The Judge's Abilities
Climbed a massive chimney in a minute
Reached the Sun in a few seconds
Purified each of the Zones
Killed all the Spectres
Defeated the Zone Guardians, The Judge, The Queen, Sugar
Dude these should be in Spotify these are freaking good.
they are on spotify though? this song is on spotify. Almost all of the commissioned tracks are on spotify, minus some of the newest ones I haven't put up there yet.
@@BrandonYates really!!! 🏃🏻
*Dashing through Spotify right now.”
The fight
Batter: guess we gotta do this
Frisk:how about no
Batter:good enough for me
The batter wins better arsenal greater strength speed and experience frisk doesn’t have that much compared to him
Well to be fair. Frisk canonically having the ability to just come back with the retry feature means that death won't really stop them
@@kurimc.mystic5341 yea but the batter is still faster and stronger and can use magic SAVEing and LOADing is frisks only edge
@MP frisk is strong and due to there power being linked to there determination makes it somewhat complicated but the besides there SAVE and LOAD abilities they can only count on close range attacks the batter (and his add-ons) have long range *and* unavoidable attacks also keep in mind the add-ons came from beings who created there own continents
@@derekcages3725 That still means Batter has absolutely no way to end the fight. Frisk has already dealt with enemies who are considerably stronger and faster than her like Asgore, Undyne, Omega Flowey, and Sans. So Batter likely doesn't have much to save him forever when Frisk literally can't stay dead forever
@@derekcages3725 Not to mention that when possessed by Chara, Frisk was able to completely erase their timeline from existence, leaving an empty black void
One day necromorphs vs flood. Or a trifecta with Candy Mare
This guy only cares about "purifying" the world... But little did he know... You are filled with DETERMINATION
Man
I rather have Frisk vs HERO from Omori but that counts
Battle of awesomeness? Well, Although, It's not going to end with a black hole.
@Applespider12 true
Omori vs Frisk is a better matchup, but Pacifist Frisk vs Hero is not bad top.
2:42
Batter: you should know, escaping your purpose....IS IMPOSSIBLE...
*frisk slashes at the same time the batter swings,batter's bat breaks*
Frisk: with enough determination, anything is possible, besides *black eyes*
Frisk: WHO SAID YOU WHERE THE ONE IN CONTROL?
SLASH!
*THE BATTER
*ATK 20 DEF 20
*A stoical man with a mission to purify the Zones.
*In my way.
*The Fallen Human*
HP: 99 / CP: ???
_A silent child determined to free the Monsters of the Underground._
_"Frisk, for the future of humans and monsters, you have to stay determined!"_
_"Remember your sacred mission. Purify this pointless world. Defeat the final Guardian!"_
*_FIGHT!_*
I’m getting a disbelief vibe! NICE!🤩
Lubdan the Leprechaun Vs Chucky would be a dream match
STOP MAKING BANGERS also another Undertale match up? Epic
My money’s on the little ray of sunshine Frisk
Frisk would be weird in DB. Their whole thing is simply losing and coming back enough times to eventually win, which goes against how DB chooses the winner, taking into account who would win most times in an encounter
Void termina vs darksied ( DC vs Kirby)
@EpicMinecrafter why? Even tho connections?
@EpicMinecrafter ok?
Ehh,my money is on Batter since Frisk at best is Building level.
What a banger song, this makes me wish had some kind of mod of this lmao
Comparison:
Frisk
-Weaker
+Faster
+More Durable
-Has the worst Arsenal
+Better Hax
-Not skilled in Hand to Hand
Batter
+Stronger
-Slower
-Less Durable
+Better Arsenal
-No Way of Dealing with Resets
+More Skilled
BOOMSTICK: …..Thank god he is dead. Wiz, you didn’t rig this to make sure I was alright, did you?
WIZ: What do you mean by ‘rig this?’ This is an accurate fight to our research and what was found!
BOOMSTICK: This fight wasn’t as close as Wiz over there might have you believe. More often than not, that lil kid was beating the Batter.
WIZ: When one can beat a foe that can manipulate three stars while one can end an entire universe, the stat difference starts to become clear. This was perhaps most apparent with their speed. The Batter could travel at faster-than-light speeds while Frisk could react to the Hyper-goner.
BOOMSTICK: This attack was destroying an entire Timeline, Frisk just… outspeeds it. This meant that The Batter could very likely not land a single attack on Frisk.
WIZ: Even in the hypothetical reality that The Batter could land an attack on Frisk, it wouldn’t matter thanks to Determination. Frisk could just infinitely come back from death with no issue, draining them of determination would be hard.
BOOMSTICK: But what about The Player? Couldn’t they re-save and make this a stalemate?
WIZ: An interesting theory. However, The Player could be considered outside help via the rules of Death Battle. Even then, we’ve seen other uses of determination possess the ability to destroy and rewrite save files and it should be that much of a stretch to say Frisk could do this as well. Even tho The Batter could beat Frisk in One on One, The Player has no way of Dealing with Chara
BOOMSTICK: So, The Batter was screwed?
WIZ: Not particularly, The Batters purification process could of very likely destroyed Frisk and Chara. Even with determination, Frisk could have given up after some time. He even held a sizable intelligence and experience gap to pull something like this off.
BOOMSTICK: But by that point, Frisk would have already taken the win.
WIZ: The Batter was one of the craziest foes we’ve seen in a death battle. Although he was incredibly smart, tedious, and downright insane he did not have the might to take on the Fallen Child.
BOOMSTICK: He knocked this one out of the park! This fight was pre-determined, Frisk was always going to be the one to OFF The Batter.
WIZ: The Winner Is Frisk/Chara
Even with The Player Batter loses very hard
Yes! Legit good matchup and song!
YESSS!!!!! THE BATTER IN DEATH BATTLE!!
Batter FTW.
Hate to burst your bubble but Frisk Wins
@@maxythemask1561 Hate to burst your bubble but that was 3 years ago
Frisk: Wait I don't have a theme.
Chara: Don't worry I got you partner.
Frisk: Chara where did you get this, this isn't even in a game.
Chara: It doesn't matter.
Hmm... I guess this depends in what stats you buy for both...
Like, we are explicitly told that the Zone Guardians created their zones by converting energy into matter... but we don't really have a timeframe.
And then Frisk with maximum determination survived Asriel's strongest attack, who purged a timeline... but you could also say that that was an outlier because they are unable to hurt Asriel... and you could also debate whether or not you can take Asriel's statement at face value.
And then you have to take into account Frisk's resurrection... would they eventually lose all of their will before taking down The Batter, or would they keep going indefinitely?
This is basically a stalemate with extra steps.
batter would reset with no knowledge of the fight every time
Pretty sure saving the game in Off isn't aknowledged beyond the obligatory "This is how you save the game" of every RPG.
the asriel attack thing is most defiently not an outlier, since frisk was at a different state of determination at the time, meaning that Frisk isnt always a walking universally-durable kid, but with determination, Frisk is. Also IIRC tho I could be wrong on this but its part of DB rules that they take everything at face value.
Good job man this is really good
The fight needs to have at some point Frisk dying then going back to a save and go back to fight the batter over and over and over again
Until batter dies from being cut in half or something like that
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 yeah and also after so many reboots then batter could think I've done this before, haven't I?
@@dlm292 before he dies that would be a cool end him thinking he has done this before before he dies
@@thelegendarycaboose9193 yeah, like he pauses for only a second and then Frisk gets him
@@dlm292 That would be funny
Epic
My favourite Frisk idea
everybody is saying The Batter would just kill Frisk over and over again but Frisk literally has universal-level durability thanks to their determination helping them survive that one timeline-destroying attack lol, so the batter would have a hard time tryna' kill Frisk. But then again, Frisk's attack potency isn't that high, being small building level at best. I do think Frisk would be capable of killing batter eventually, it would be just be a very long and tedious job, and if were taking resets into this battle Frisk would eventually predict all of Batter's attacks and keep on attack him. Plus, I doubt the Batter knows about resets and stuff. Sure, he knows about the player but most definitely not about they're reset abilities.
You realize Batter has that as well and Frisk isn’t even universal in any way at all, right? Determination makes Frisk a massive punching bag for batter, and oh boy, will it take a long time for Frisk to memorize EVERY attack Batter has, especially his competences, Save third Base ability, his add ons, and his add ons competences. And it doesn’t help that they are WAY faster and it only takes one hit from them to put down Frisk, when it’ll take dozens and maybe even hundreds to kill Batter. And he does know about save blocks as The Judge educated Batter on them. And even then it resets his health and offers him to ‘save.’ And a small building level character is NOT beating a universal character in any way possible when their only advantage is hax, when Batter still takes it close with it and could even have hax as well. Death Battle would have to screw their research in the worst ways possible and have to be EXTREMELY biased or have to use a very heavily biased source that hasn’t even seen the intro for OFF or just to avoid Undertale fans’ salt in order to make Frisk win. That’s how big of a stomp it is.
@@melindabolding5601 I think you forgot about something. Frisk survived Asriel's timeline busting attack, which we know was supposed to kill Frisk thanks to how Azzy describes it, and they survived thanks to the power of DETERMINATION!!! As cheesy as that sounded, please do note that they had full and Max determination during that.
@@melindabolding5601 also, I doubt batter would know about frisk's reset ability. Sure, maybe he recognizes the idea of a player controlling him, but I doubt that just because batter knows the save ability of his own universe, doesn't exactly mean he knows frisk's reset ability in they're universe.
@@jollyjadentnt7963 he still has used a save point before. And if you’re talking about the hyper goner, that only inhaled the timeline, not destroying it, and Batter has killed his own creator, that’s far better than Asriel’s timeline destroying attack. And mind you Batter ran to the sun in less than a day and around assumingely a few hours and will just overwhelm Frisk when they have to deal with The Batter’s speed, which also speed blitzes by the way, his competences, his add ons, and his add ons’ competences as well, sometimes even at the same time. And if the batter recognizes the player, then that just makes it even worse than knowing about save points, because once the batter manipulates the player, there’s nothing Frisk can really do when the person controlling them is literally on the opponent’s team.
@@jollyjadentnt7963 and even if you argue about determination, this would just be DIO vs Alucard all over again, Batter would just keep killing Frisk, and would get stronger as time goes on because he gains more XP every time he kills Frisk. Frisk is nothing but a punching bag and free XP for Batter, and is either just putting themselves in an endless death, or will just give up and lose motivation in fighting The Batter realizing that Batter simply is way too fast, strong, overwhelming, and just in short has them beat in every other category. Don’t forget. If this takes place in Batter’s universe, it’s over for Frisk, as there are no Undertale save points in the OFF universe and the batter can literally turn off the universe, erasing/killing them both, permanently, but because The Batter turned it off to kill Frisk, which he did technically succeed at, he’d get a technical victory more times than not.
Frisk wanders through the purified remains of the RUINS, Snowdin, Hotland, walking over piles of dust the whole way. They arrive at Judgement Hall, where they see The Batter standing next to Sans's jacket, holding his hand over a red cube.
Frisk SAVES their game "Seeing the murderer who has slaughtered your friends, the revenge close at hand-
you're filled with DETERMINATION"
0:00 The Batter turns around, his add-ons floating behind him, clutching his bat in one hand.
0:07 [The battle starts, the room turns black and white, with the exception of Frisk's soul]
The Batter and Frisk exchange blows from the Ashley Bat and Worn Dagger respectively.
0:21 The two knock each other away.
Frisk ACTs ---> Check
"The Batter, Demented Purificatory Incarnation
Won't accept your MERCY-Attack 330, Defense 110"
The Batter uses Wide Angle
"Frisk, the 8th Fallen Human, Incarnation of DETERMINATION"
0:38 Frisk begins dodging competences from the Add-Ons and returns the attacks with the Empty Gun
1:10 Frisk dies as Gamma hits them with Photographic Blur, re-emerging from the Save Point at the end of the hall. The Batter eyes the point curiously, glancing between his own red cube and the save point.
1:25 The Batter lands a Special Homerun on Frisk, killing them again, then proceeding to walk slowly toward the save point.
1:36 The frame cuts to Frisk in the void with their SAVE file, before they press CONTINUE, the file cracks as a loud bang sounds through the void, then another, and another as the file shatters to pieces, a bat protruding from where the file just was.
1:43 The Batter grabs Frisk and pulls them through the shattered file, yanking them back into Judgement Hall as Frisk's save point disappears.
~just picture a badass action sequence for the next minute or so.
2:17 After enduring a Run With Grace competence, Frisk eats the Butterscotch-Cinnamon Pie, and has flashbacks of Papyrus, Toriel, Sans, and other events from the main game. "Reminded of your friends, their compassion, bad spaghetti, judgement... you're filled with DETERMINATION"
~Frisk kills Gamma and Epsilon
2:40 Alpha lands a Long Chain competence on Frisk, and their SOUL splits in half.
2:44 "But it refused"
The black and white of Judgement Hall is overcome with a red hue as Frisk's SOUL re-constitutes.
Frisk cuts down Alpha, leaving only a wounded Batter to frantically defend himself
3:10 Frisk misses a strike with the Worn Dagger, and the Batter lines up for one last competence "Ultimate Homerun"
3:18 Frisk recoils from the impact, their SOUL fracturing, however, this time The Batter, now sporting his "Bad Batter" face, rips the soul from Frisk's body, clutching it as it turns white and disappears.
[Adversaries Purified]
Correction: Chara takes over and Erases Batter for good
You know what, I'll get back into this shit. I love how Megalo Strike Back is used (despite it being more of a Chara theme and for it never being in Undertale neither being canon, but eh the Chara part is understandable since Chara is Frisk). The music style fits pretty damn well. It's pretty damn fucking viby. I love it. I like how close the end there's a type _of_ OFF vibe, and I like it. Overall, the track is amazing and captures Undertale pretty damn well. OFF is a thing ig.
The MU is damn great. I love Frisk vs The Batter, however... I still like Frisk vs Ness more. Mostly because of a certain someone's animation, and because I actually know one of the characters.
This fight is pretty close too. Idk who wins, but I'm taking a wild guess and say Frisk.
andrex moment
Banger
*purification in progress*
*purification placed on hold*
This is interesting, both Frisk and The Batter are melee specialists both have access to healing items and can get stronger by killing. Both wanted to wipe out their worlds for different reasons, and both also face and matched against God like entities and won. Both know they were chosen by a higher power (us the player) and know a little bit of the 4th wall. But who would win? The Batter with actually killing god, or Frisk with their virtual immortality?
Frisk Easily
I know jackshit about OFF and Undertale, but I still have a question:
Could Batter's Purification potentially nullify the sheer reality resistance DETERMINATION gives to Frisk?
Purify (in off) is basically the same as just killing them so no I don't think so
@@John-oo6ng But this power is useless against infinity save scamming.
Purification is just Existence Erasure which is resisted by Frisk so No
The Batter ftw
honestly i prefer OMORI vs The Batter as Batter's best opponent but this good too ig. Also, banger track.
You can simply pretend that this its Chara VS Batter instead of Frisk VS Batter, which would actually be more fitting.
I like Chara vs Omori more but this is great too
A track in OFF is called Stay In Your Coma. When The Batter defeats The Queen, he says "It all went wrong. Time to forget about it and dream sweet dreams."
In My Time, the chorus says 'Close Your Eyes and You'll Leave This Dream' and 'Oyasumi', which means Good Night. The game's focus is literally trying to forget the truth.
...Hee hee hee
This needs to be a Death Battle or Sans vs The Judge
Sans vs Judge has a chance since it’s a popular request.
So Frisk is having a turn on this...
Huh... neat.
I just realized how similar Chara & the Batter's final motivations are.
i thought the title said battler at first so i was really excited for umineko. anyways batter absolutely wins
also this is the best commission track
Umineko vs Undertale.... Yeah not a fair matchup at all tbh
If Umineko is ever used in Death Battle, I want a Vs Touhou matchup like Bernkastel Vs Yukari since those would be pretty fun. Honestly, Battler doesn't have many good matchups himself, I was thinking Alucard from Hellsing but that is never going to happen.
@@antimatter3084 bernkastel vs homura better imo
@@cagayakegirlz Not a bad idea, I just want an Umineko Vs Touhou matchups since they pair pretty well together.
Nice beats I love it ☺️
Frisk was certainly determined, but they lacked the power to turn the batter OFF.
The winner is the Batter.
We can debate it on cord if you want
Just realized this is Yates' 5th most popular commissioned matchup, it might actually have a chance to get a full Death Battle, I REALLY hope it does.
I kinda do, yet kinda don’t at the same time. I’m kind of worried about what they’ll do with both Batter and Frisk. And not to mention how much toxicity it’d be if Frisk were to lose. My joy for an episode really just comes down to a coin toss. And I’m not saying that only if Batter loses, but just worry about the toxicity, and downplaying. And if they misrepresent him too, since OFF is confusing as hell. Honestly, I hope they just do Sans vs The Judge instead or just have him fight Kris instead.
But hey, it’s OFF recognition, so I can’t complain too much.
@@melindabolding5601 Death Battle actually wanks more than it downplays nowadays so Batter is safe, if they use the same logic they used to say Aizen is a planet buster Batter won't be any lower than city level, it mostly depends on how much benefit of the doubt they give UT. And honestly the shitstorm would be entertaining
Sans VS The Judge is good, idk what they're supposed to analyze about Pablo though, he kinda just gives you hints and dies
@@str1k3r52 I don’t know, they’re probably going to have to give him Batter scaling and his competences. Other than that, all there is to analyze about him is mainly his lore and character.
Hey, you were arguing that Frisk wasn't even uni, and well... Undertale got buffs lmao
It's Low Multiversal and Immeasurable VS Star level and subsonic now.
The Frisk sweep is real.
@@workinprogress9793 What buffs? Those are the exact same stats you've been using for months now, nothing has changed.
The only way to batter can win if he have bigger determination than frisk, but the determination of frisk is so big to beat a god like asriel and power up a entity like chara.
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO While it's true, Frisk also took blows from Asriel and refused death due to DETERMINATION. Frisk's attack potency is pretty low despite being 99999 with the real knife in the monster world, but Batter CANT really kill Frisk due to their RESET manipulation and Timeline manipulation, and insane durability of taking blows from a God, taking small nuclear bombs on the face, and dodging light attacks (Asriel's chaos blaster)
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO "The specific speed on the chaos blaster was never touched. "
Frisk dodges lasers from Omega Flowey, and that laser (Talking from the DB point of view) is light speed. If not considerable, Okay, but Frisk effortlessly dodges lightning attacks from Asriel. EVEN IF Batter lands a swing on Frisk, they are much more durable, and refuse death as I mentioned above. RESET and timeline manipulation are two different things. RESET involves saving the game and starting from the same save slot, whereas Timeline manipulation involves CHARA taking over Frisk's soul, and ultimately taking every timeline involving them, so Batter turning the game OFF won't effect Genocide Frisk at all.
It's like pitting a character with 20 Atk and 10 def against a character with 2 Atk and 10000 def.
@SALIF OUEDRAOGO Woah woah woah, If you're referring to The Judge (Pablo), he only gets Star level, and is 4-C tier. Lets get this straight:
Batter gets on 5-B (Star) tier, almost same while compared to the Judge. His Atk potency and durabilty only gets planet level. His best notable ability is to turn 'off' the game, which means shutting down game (refer to the OFF Multiverse)
Frisk, composite to every route (Genocide, Pacifist, and Neutral, as the fandom calls) sits at low 2-C tier (Universal+). While its true Frisk's atk potency hardly gets wall level, their durability is most likely Big star level (Taking blows from the God of Hyperdeath and Photoshop Flowey), and their most notable abilities are RESET manipulation, Timeline manipulation, and ability to refuse death even if they die.
Now Batters atk potency is highly hindered by Frisk's durablity, since Planet level strikes dont affect Big star level Durabilty. If it does, (Pacifist) Frisk can refuse death. Now, when it comes to OFF manipulation, thats a big mess. If we take canon material, OFF manipulation would greatly over come Frisk's RESET manipulation, but since (Genocide) Frisk's soul is taken by CHARA, the entire (Game) would be under their control as long as CHARA has Frisk's soul, so OFF manipulation won't, or at least shouldnt work, according to provided material, since CHARA takes control over the soul and timeline.
All info is scaled and provided by 'VS Battle wiki'. Pablo is not outerversal, nor the Batter. They only get Star level, where Frisk sits at Universal+.
@@delite3400 wow calm down.
first chara has no reason to own frisk and even more if we are talking about a 1 vs 1 battle.
chara is a separate entity that demonstrated things that go beyond what any frisk demonstrated physically, omega flowey only has hax's his physical power as destructive is no big deal, and asriel never received damage or anything from frisk, and to argue that frisk dodged his attacks put him at speed is stupid, when we do not know if they are real light rays, we do not know if they work as one, and even so, death battle itself stated that not all light rays are automatically real light.
and if we go to vsbattle wiki, frisk would not even be universal+ considering that now it is no longer considered timeline creation, but a simple save to travel back, which makes his manipulation of timelines only a minor time travel.
@@lavidamevaleunquesou1137 Yeah, now here's the thing: This video confusing CHARA with Frisk, since Frisk is on the MU title and the Real knife on the artwork refer's to CHARA. So first, this is not a 1 vs 1, since we are talking about Genocide Frisk, and later on, CHARA canonically takes over Frisk's soul, hence the timeline is in their control (Reference to the bad ending on Pacifist route if Frisk does the Genocide route in the previous timeline). Controlling and Time travelling are to seperate things. Even if Frisk is'nt Light speed, Batter's already to outspeed since he only gets hypersonic sound level, and Frisk dodges lightning strikes. Even if Batter lands a hit, Frisk refuses death due to Determination.
tbh this matchup is a mess, there is no literal way they can kill each other, but since (Genocide composite) Frisk can Control (not time travel) timeline, I'll give the W to Frisk.
Dude, Pyhrra Nikos vs. Karl Heisenberg: Repulsive Attraction!
Wait if frisk needs save files in order to come back to life does that means I can beat her because I can delete save files
No cause the only ones I know who can do that is chara asriel and flowey
@@johnnycake9239
So
I have the potential to beat 3 of them
As long Mr resseti doesn't find out...
Hey brando I want to give you an idea
Eriol vs shiny charlot
(card captor sakura vs littlen witch academy)
Could it be??
you have to pay for these
@@KelYeah777 A
Idk OFF at all, what's it like?
An acid trip
A damn masterpiece of a game.
Play it you fucken tomato.
Batter Up all these Monsters
That the Game
i like the use of Megalo Strike Back motifs and it's beat, since Megalo Strike Back is actually NOT an Uundertale theme, but is actually an Earthbound fan theme by Toby Fox, and both Undertale and OFF were inspired by said game
I have a matchup idea for Frisk. "Frisk vs The Knight"
The Connections:
*They are the protagonists of the two biggest indie games of the past decade Undertale and Hollow Knight.
*They are both children of prophecy for Frisk it was being the last one of the seven humans needed to break the seal on the underground to free the monsters. And for The Knight they were birthed from the void and two higher beings them being "The White Lady" and The Pale King to stop the Radiance's Light / Infection / Possession on the citizens of Hallownest and being "The True Hollow Knight".
*They have faced literal Gods of their respective worlds and lived. For Frisk they faced Asriel "The God of Hyperdeath". For The Knight they faced The Radiance and Absolute Radiance.
*And Finally, They are both The Saviors and The Destroyers of their respective worlds. For Frisk they saved all the monsters in the underground and destroying the seal on it in the "Pacifist Route". And they killed all of the monsters in the underground in the "Genocide Route". For The Knight they killed the Radiance and ending the infection in the "Dream No More" ending. And they unleashed the shade lord on the remains of Hallownest in the first "Embrace The Void" ending.
The Track Name could be: "Hollow Hearts"
As for Who I think wins: I believe The Knight wins via being slighty stronger, much faster, having a better arsenal / hax, and more powerful.
one dont UNDERestamate undertale two you have to pay to make these a thing
@@KelYeah777 (1) I have played both games and this is my opinion you can agree or not that is fine you also have an opinion. (1.5) I feel like Frisk has been build up as an unbeatable god in VS Debates like Ben 10, Archic Sonic, and Pegasus Seiya that needs to be humbled. But that being said Frisk would not make it easy for The Knight but I still think that The Knight beats Frisk. (2) How do I pay for it and how much do I need to donated?
@@ianjohns5701 Can the knight end the fight truly? He never shown any abilities that can counter saving and resetting nor does he show any awareness of four wall elements. Frisk can keep resetting until he wins, especially when knight doesn't exactly have an unpredictable attack pattern. Frisk can literally keep dying until he knows the attack pattern of the knight inside out
@@Jgamer-jk1bp I think Frisk can be put down by the Void via possession. Because Frisk has been possessed before like at the end of the genocide route when Chara took control of them. And EVEN IF YOU RESET THE GAME and you finish a pacifist route right after finishing the genocide route it shows that Frisk is still possessed by Chara and it can't be undone unless if you LITERALLY change the games code in the Game Files. And the Void has shown multiple times were void has possessed the citizens of Hallownest like the Bug in the watchtower in the Abyss, The Vessels, THE Hollow Knight, the Kings Molds near and in The White Palace, and The Godseeker in the Junk Pit. So it would not be out of the question that the void could take control of Frisk. And if you scale the Void to Absolute Radiance who is not only more powerful and faster than the original Radiance but also possessed most of Hallownest and since The Shade Lord who is nickname is "THE VOID ENTITY" Completely Destroyed ABSRAD in the Embrace The Void ending helps justify not only this scaling but of what I explained too. In Conclusion one the ways I could see The Knight defeating Frisk is via possession by the void and that why I think that The Knight wins.
@@ianjohns5701 However the knight itself have never used this ability because. We can't assume it can because it's siblings or something similar has done so, it isn't particularly fair.
Eivor vs Kratos (Dad of Boi)
Track Name: Valhalla’s Rage
I imagine the fight ending with Frisk stabbing the Real Knife in The Batter's face. While Frisk didn't WANT to destroy the Timeline, they were nevertheless just as capable of it as Chara, and they're channeling all that power directly into The Batter's skull.
He looks into Frisk's eyes and to his shock, they open to look back as Frisk speaks in a mocking and victorious tone.
"Purification in progress."
Frisk tears out the Real Knife out of The Batter's head, splitting his field of vision in two, and the last thing he sees is their smile. Reminiscent of Chara but showing their teeth, how many they still have after The Batter bashed out 3 with his bat. Showing him what insignifigant damage he did to the one in control of his fate in the final moment before he is erased from existence.
Frisk briefly considers LOADing to refight The Batter but decides against it, labelling him "Forgettable" like Papyrus before moving on to The Barrier.
That’d be VERY gorey. I can imagine it being like Shredder vs Silver Samurai. For the start, right when they begin to fight, it’d be cool to see it zoom into both, looking at both of their perspectives, having their RPG battle systems. On the batter’s side it’d be his battle system with the description for Frisk saying “Frisk, one of the fallen children, a determined one.” And on Frisk’s side it’d be Bad Batter instead saying “The Batter, a purifying beast, at least in your case. And his add ons, Alpha, omega, and epsilon.”
And for Batter’s ending, I can imagine it being pretty dark. Just having Batter spot the save point, so he sends an add on to destroy it, while slicing Frisk’s arm in the process, and then slicing the other when coming back. And then have the add ons circle Frisk, helpless, before cutting off their head. And then the batter running, taking out the Ashley bat in the process, using ultimate home run, and hitting Frisk’s head so hard it flies into orbit. “I’m The Batter. And my mission, and purpose is to purify. And escaping your purpose is impossible.” A stabbed and filled with scar Batter says. Frisk’s soul then tries to refuse, but then it goes into one last glimpse of Bad Batter, with him just shattering the soul. “You’ve been defeated, Frisk.” The Batter says. As he walks to fight Asgore, his add ons following.
@@melindabolding5601 I feel like it'd be better if Batter was just blinded instead of stabbed and scar-filled. Easier to animate and we can get a badass shot of him pulling down his cap over his eyesockets, the upper half of his face turning from red to black as the shadows come in over the blood.
@@floatingf8783 I imagine if it was blinded it’d go like this.
Batter finally gets ahold of Frisk. Grabbing them, and picking them up, as Frisk tries to struggle. But before Batter could even speak. Frisk takes their toy knife out there pocket. “You’d think you would’ve learned that with your pathetic excuse of a weapon, you’re just a child playing a killer, nothing mo-.” The Batter says, clearly annoyed, but Frisk interrupts, as they stab/slash them clean in the eyes. Batter throws them onto the ground. Stomping them until their head busts open. But as Frisk returns, they looked, different. Now in a green shirt and wielding a red knife. Chara then looks at The Batter, smirking. “You couldn’t beat him by now? With his useless monologue as well? What a forgettable monster this will be.” Chara comments, as they get cocky. The Batter then uses one of his competences to unblind himself. As he then opens his eyes, having the eyes of bad batter. “I know.” Batter says, then striking a shot into their legs and torso. “But you must realize, you are one too, but even more pathetic, a helpless child trying to play god so badly.” Alpha rushes at Chara, stabbing through them, and bringing them to Batter. “You are a tricky one to predict. But being that is no excuse of being awfully bad, does it not?” Chara laughs, coughing blood. The camera then goes to Chara’s point of view. Seeing Bad Batter’s full appearance. As Batter rams his head into theirs. “Shut up.” Batter says, annoyed once again. “This must be a pathetic knife, you say?” Chara mocks Batter’s question. Now limping over rapidly, raising their real knife, to attempt to slam it at him. But Epsilon charges at Chara as well. Getting hit instead. Epsilon then fades to black, as it shatters into two. The underground then shatters apart. Just being a black void. “You’ve stroke out 3 times. Today it’s time you retire.” Chara grins, thinking they can take an easy victory. “Sorry kid, but a sinner will did like a sinner.” Bad/The Batter replies, as he uses a Joker to revive Epsilon. They then charge at each other, as the fight continues.
That's nice. Too bad The Batter wins easily
@@thecrusader2784 you do know Frisk stomps, right?
I was thinking of a frisk song LETS GOOOOOO
A lot of people have said it already, but it stands:
The winner of the fight depends on what the ruling is for win conditions. Also, I'm assuming both combatants have access to their own respective player, who lets their abilities function without any metanarrative confusion.
Frisk can reset time as much as they want, so if the only valid victory is a permanent death then Frisk wins, eventually finding the single path to victory. No matter if they're armed with a knife, or a stick, or even if they're unarmed, they'll get to the Batter, and turn him OFF.
The Batter is incredibly strong, able to pretty much singlehandedly chew through any opposition (the add-ons help, but not enough to change the verdict), so if one kill is enough then the Batter wins. In a single instance Frisk might dodge the first few attacks, but overall the Batter is just the better fighter, and with a one-kill victory there's nothing to SAVE Frisk.
The Batter would have to be completely nerfed for that to actually work though. Batter has an arguable counter for saving, that being purification. When Frisk gets purified, already they’re sent to the nothingness or erased for existence. Keyword here is already. Frisk gets back? When the user is purified, everything they own will go down with it. Still doesn’t work? He can easily purify the entire underground taking the save points with it. STILL DOESN’T WORK? The secretaries, mind you who have around thousands of HP and do enough damage to even cause The Batter trouble would infest the place instantly. Even if the reset effect still happens, Frisk still has no chances as all of Batter’s and his add ons attacks do way more damage than Frisk could handle. So Frisk is basically in a death loop that never ends, if they’re even lucky for that to happen.
@@gregger_mcgregger Correct me if I'm wrong, but in OFF, can't you start a new game and reload your save, even after doing the world purification ending? That would imply that the power of RESET is stronger than the power of purification, meaning Frisk is beyond the reach of the Batter in that regard.
Certainly, the Batter and his add-ons would make it a hilariously unfair and grueling process, but I still feel eventually Frisk could get a win if death repeats are allowed.
@@aldar8240 you can, but Batter has shown that he can force you into things, (Forcing you into the battle system, and other actions.) and not only that but the OFF menu is more exclusive to the player. And remember, Frisk would be purified already, meaning they’d be erased or sent to the nothingness, either one where they can’t do any thing. And not only that, but the save points go down with them. Frisk could get a win with the real knife, but that’s a very huge *could.* Not counting the fact that they’d have to successfully avoid all of The Batters attacks, some being 100% accurate, while The Batter would have to sit still and not react. Other than that, Frisk isn’t going to land probably a single hit on The Batter.
@@gregger_mcgregger I already said at the start of this that both combatants get their respective player, since otherwise it's a mess to work out what is and isn't a valid feat. The Batter clearly isn't capable of forcing you into things on command, as otherwise the player would be railroaded into siding with him in the final confrontation. Any *could* with enough loops becomes a certainty in time, meaning that in time Frisk would win, it'd just be a colossal slog, as I mentioned. The question of if purification could outclass DETERMINATION is fairly unclear and could be argued either way with sufficient effort.
After chosen Undead vs dragonborn no
Its not one kill
I wondered for a bit about how this fight would even work but i think i see it now: its Batter vs Frisk yes. But Batter thinks its him vs Chara cause he could probably tell they exist in frisk, and Frisk thinks its them vs the batters monster form. Both believe theyre saving the other and destroying a monster. It would be complicated to pull off in a real episode but it has real potential.
I prefer both matchups for both of these characters anyway who wins because I don't really know?
Batter because stats
The batter would likely win due to having more attack power and more healing options,(Ultimate homerun, Save secret base, etc.)
and even if frisk uses save files it would just be more of a nuisance and ending in the same result.
@@terrorismgaming200 he also had the speed advantage
who do you prefer for both? because i prefer OMORI for The Batter.
Love this music & matchup
*Frisk for the win*
IMO Batter wins, and the reason may be a bit weird.
As far as im concerned, Batter has Frisk beaten in stats, but Frisk's infinite rez should allow them to continue fighting the Batter until they've memorized every last one of their attacks right? Well, not really, now pay close attention to what i'm about to say. Based on some theorizing about UT lore and SAVE points, i've come up with a possible theory that Determination is a physical, tangible form of matter (non--Newtonian at that) that can and is manipulated by the Player during their run of Undertale (resulting in the SAVE points and other Determination-related phenomena), which i'll be using for this short explanation. For this reason, the Batter would win because they could Purify the SAVE points needed to give Frisk their rez, leaving them trapped at the game over screen for eternity.
Frisk was strong, but the Batter was just too wiling to de *terminate* them.
And wouldn't Frisk still keep dying even with memorizing? The Batter can just heal with items.
@@melindabolding5601 True.
@@melindabolding5601 Items just mean that the battle will last longer, but they will end sooner or later
I'm sorry for being rude, but that's an extremely stupid argument.
Also, the purification of locations It will help to win the battle for LOAD just to download the time when the point was, The past.
So it's not going to win the battle.
But yes, as soon as the SAVE points start to disappear, You will need to replay longer areas, which is exhausting.
As long as you don't embody determination.... Oops.
@@greyfaceofaxe let's just hope the player wasn't lazy like me and remembered to save at all save points.
@@greyfaceofaxe also,it's fine,I call arguments stupid a lot.
Idk who wins, but love this track.