I often see people saying that "2 piece ammunition makes the loading process slower". Somebody forgot to tell this to the loader on this video. This lad is doing a fantastic job
The 2 piece ammo is actually faster ... Challenger 2 is rated around 12 rounds a minute whilst others like Leopard and Abrams have about 10 rounds a minute. It obviously depends on the loader/operator but the challenger 2 stores the ammo in bins around the turret whilst the Abrams and leopard 2 store them in the back of the turret behind armoured doors that have to be open and closed after ever round. With 2 piece you also don't have an empty shell which gets ejected as it uses up all that is loaded allowing for less fiddling about.
@@chungusbooper the challenger 1 and 2 use 2 piece ammunition but I believe the older rounds were 3 piece. Only the actual round and a bag charge are loaded into the breach
@@chungusbooper PumpkinLord12 The 3-piece ammunition is set up like this. 1. Main Projectile 2. Bag Charge 3. Vent Tube The 3rd piece of ammunition, the Vent Tube, is loaded via a magazine into the breach block meaning that every single round does not require the 3rd piece to be loaded. I believe to my knowledge the Vent Tube is loaded in a 15 round magazine before that would need to be switched, but it may be a 5 round magazine, I'm not too sure but the Vent Tubes are not large. So though that the ammunition is technically 3-piece, for the majority of the time you can class it as a 2-piece and with the 1st piece not really having the propellant, it's safe to lap-load the gun which gives you the 3 second reload. Lap-loading in the US Abrams and I believe the German Leopard is strictly forbidden, as it is deemed too dangerous, but you'll find that in Iraq many Abrams crews were doing it and managed as little as 2 second reloads according to some commanders. Most Challenger tank crews will say to you that they're using 2-piece ammunition, though it's technically 3, you'll not need to worry about the Vent Tube very much in a combat situation as the battle will most likely be over before you need to consider topping it up.
@@triplepilot There's a magazine inserted into the back of gun out of camera which holds 8 rounds. They look like bullets without a metal tip and they are electrically ignited to set off the bag charge. Fin (or armour defeating) rounds are pretty light, it's the hesh ones that are heavy as hell.
The stoppage they have at 1:00 in is exactly why you can't rely on an auto loader, if you have an auto loader and you have a malfunction you are defenceless. Having a trained human loader in the turret who can open the gun to fix malfunctions is an unbeatable advantage.
As I recall firing Cheiftain ,as a gunner,all you heard was a loud "kerchung!"as the gun recoiled,the great smell of cordite,and all the "bang" was outside,and even more in front of the end of the barrel
Apart from the frenchies and. Russians and. Third world countries with ex Soviet equipment next generation NATO tanks could have auto loaders maybe complexity cost weight reliability or the forth man
4-5 seconds to reload. What a machine the loader is. Depending on gunner skill, theoretically they can empty first stage ammo in about 16-20 seconds. In theory they can put 12 APFSDS or HESH down the range in a minute.
People who compare the Challenger 2 with tanks like the Abrams and Leopard 2 forget that the latter store their ammo in a separate compartment which has to be opened between each shot in order to reduce the chance of an ammo explosion if the tank is hit. If the Abrams/Leo loader was sitting with the round on his lap like the challenger loader, the loading times would be the similar in my opinion. That fact that there is a difference in loading and storage procedures is the main difference in loading time in this case and not the fact that the challenger uses 2 piece ammunition.
@@tellyheadlol4258 No, there is no issue in laploading one piece ammunition. It has been done since the first tanks and is still being done today. But the loading procedure for the Leo 2 is just different than the challanger. Laploading the Leo 1 took about 2-3 seconds with one piece ammunition. If you lapload, one piece ammunition will usually be faster than two piece. Comparing one piece vs two piece loading times by using the challanger vs leo2 or abrsms is comparing apples an oranges. The difference is in the procedures and the designs of the tanks
@@Desoxyri What's the point of having a big armoured ammo stowage bustle with blow-out panels if you're just going to carry unprotected rounds on your lap.
@@Desoxyri Yes you could do it, but it would be unsafe. That's the difference. With 2 piece ammo you can do it safely and it is the recognised procedure.
@@tankie2ndrtr You a tankie and you don't know that Chieftain, CR and CR2 have 3 piece ammo. Yes the Vent tube is classed at part of ammo, plus the bag charge and round. 🤣🤣🤣
The storage units on Challenger 2 are a pressurised and sealed glycol containers which surround the charge pack and rupture when hit. This soils the charge meaning cannot burn.
@@hannible1002 not too sure. Arrse? Know anyone with battlebox access? Other than that maybe a bit of Google but it’s probably not easy to find without going back to bovvy lol
And people say Russian tanks are better than the Challenger 2 due to the autoloader. This guy would have rinsed a T-80 or whatever in minutes and the Russian tank would be stuck reloading its gun again whilst this guy is still pumping rounds down the range.
The charges are non-volatile (they don’t explode when hit, they burn for 1-2 minutes) and are wet-racked in a protected container, which means usually when hit, the charges simply burn, are put out by the water in the container and are rendered useless instead of exploding.
меня больше интересует то как работает система, как бы это назвать, ?отвода пороховых газов?... Не видно чтобы была какая-то задымлённость в боевом отделении...
In the closed down position the turret has over pressure. This in conjunction with the fume extractor on the barrel gets rid of almost all the smoke from firing the gun. But your fats will still smell of cordite. :-)
The whole process is thus: Cmdr or gunner spots a target. If cmdr he says "Fin (or Hesh, or Co ax) tank (or whatever target, eg BMP, Men, etc )" The gunner when aligned onto the target replies "On" The loader will prepare to fire the round as stated by the commander. When ready he shouts "loaded". The gunner then reports "firing" and pushes in his firing switch, making the gun go boom or machine gun go ratata. On observation of hitting the target he shouts "Target" after which the commander will say "target go on" or "Target stop" depending on whether he determines the target to be sufficiently pacified. This is firing under direction of the commander. If the gunner has authority to fire he will forgo the steps of the commander and on shouting "fin tank" the loader will immediately reply "loaded" when ready. The commander can also take control of the firing process at any time by saying "fin tank mine" and taking control of the gun himself. Other examples of firing control orders are "Co ax men" - "On" - "loaded" - "Firing" - "Target" - "Target stop" This isn't even going into adjusting fire of hesh and co ax, which I can relay if interested. I'm a crewman on chally, just so you know I'm not making this all up. xD
@@mitternacht4062 Hello Mitter Nacht, MoD here. Now, not to put too fine a point on it old chap, but you do remember that little document called "The Official Secrets Act" that you signed don't you? You know, around the time you joined up. Well, we were just wondering if you'd FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT IT! I mean, come on, this is RUSSIAN channel for goodness sake. What were you thinking? Next you'll be telling them about the boiling vessel. ... Oh shit...
It’s slower on the Abrams, roughly 6-7 seconds due to the ready rack door having to open, that doesn’t have to happen on CR2 due to the ammo being stored in armoured bins in the tank’s hull
@@id_Usherbut you forget the circumstances if a z80 and a challenger spots each other at the same time the challenger loader has a better chance of loading faster and that means thw challenger will most likely get the first shot off
@@id_Usher ну да, АЗ не ломается и сервис ему не нужен. p.s. 20-25кг, ~20 снарядов в БК первой очереди, перезарядка 3-5 сек, минуту потаскать 25кг человек устанет? Ну диван-мен может и устанет.
I often see people saying that "2 piece ammunition makes the loading process slower". Somebody forgot to tell this to the loader on this video. This lad is doing a fantastic job
The 2 piece ammo is actually faster ... Challenger 2 is rated around 12 rounds a minute whilst others like Leopard and Abrams have about 10 rounds a minute. It obviously depends on the loader/operator but the challenger 2 stores the ammo in bins around the turret whilst the Abrams and leopard 2 store them in the back of the turret behind armoured doors that have to be open and closed after ever round. With 2 piece you also don't have an empty shell which gets ejected as it uses up all that is loaded allowing for less fiddling about.
@@TheCalyWagAssignment I thought the Challenger 2 has 3-piece ammunition. Does it just depend on what kind of round it's firing?
@@chungusbooper the challenger 1 and 2 use 2 piece ammunition but I believe the older rounds were 3 piece. Only the actual round and a bag charge are loaded into the breach
@@chungusbooper u fucking right mate. without the vent tube cartrige the gun wont be able to fire lololol
@@chungusbooper PumpkinLord12 The 3-piece ammunition is set up like this.
1. Main Projectile
2. Bag Charge
3. Vent Tube
The 3rd piece of ammunition, the Vent Tube, is loaded via a magazine into the breach block meaning that every single round does not require the 3rd piece to be loaded. I believe to my knowledge the Vent Tube is loaded in a 15 round magazine before that would need to be switched, but it may be a 5 round magazine, I'm not too sure but the Vent Tubes are not large. So though that the ammunition is technically 3-piece, for the majority of the time you can class it as a 2-piece and with the 1st piece not really having the propellant, it's safe to lap-load the gun which gives you the 3 second reload. Lap-loading in the US Abrams and I believe the German Leopard is strictly forbidden, as it is deemed too dangerous, but you'll find that in Iraq many Abrams crews were doing it and managed as little as 2 second reloads according to some commanders. Most Challenger tank crews will say to you that they're using 2-piece ammunition, though it's technically 3, you'll not need to worry about the Vent Tube very much in a combat situation as the battle will most likely be over before you need to consider topping it up.
That loader was a true professional, magnificent job.
This dude loads a 120mm cannon like he's cycling the bolt on a hunting rifle good lord
The charge piece in the Challenger 2 is actually just a massive tea bag.
haha :D
😂
Can't stop us british drinking tea it's civilised
We like tea you noob
@@iiSPAwNZz yeah, that's kind of the point of the joke
5 second reload on 2 pieces ammo, that loader really have sleight of hand perk :)
Challenger 2 has 3 piece ammo
Then what is it?
Dennis Nedry it’s round-bag charge-vent tube
@@triplepilot There's a magazine inserted into the back of gun out of camera which holds 8 rounds. They look like bullets without a metal tip and they are electrically ignited to set off the bag charge. Fin (or armour defeating) rounds are pretty light, it's the hesh ones that are heavy as hell.
John Doe Schmitz closer to 3 seconds
When you max out your loader’s reloading stat with Ace training
The stoppage they have at 1:00 in is exactly why you can't rely on an auto loader, if you have an auto loader and you have a malfunction you are defenceless.
Having a trained human loader in the turret who can open the gun to fix malfunctions is an unbeatable advantage.
Yup human will always beat machine
How often does a western autoloader having such issues?
Autoloaders are better, only stupid Westerns use humans.
And to make tea and egg banjos
@@alahsiaboi8909 it doesn't...so don't Russian or Chinese ones...Autoloaders became so reliable that it's basically impossible for them to fail.
this loader is very fast, congratulations on the soldier's work!👍🏻
I'm really surprised : 1) the absence of noise from the main gun (the machine gun seems noisier), 2) the recoil is very short
You don’t hear the main gun much when closed down and where the camera is the coax is just below it
the loud part of any gun really is actually the muzzle, so on the inside with hatches closed they hear thaat much
As I recall firing Cheiftain ,as a gunner,all you heard was a loud "kerchung!"as the gun recoiled,the great smell of cordite,and all the "bang" was outside,and even more in front of the end of the barrel
You hear a tank firing beside you more than you hear your own tank firing.
Tis weird, but it's how it is.
4, 5, 5.5, 3, 4, 3.5 seconds to reload 2 piece ammunition. Slick loader. Gaijin I have something to tell you.
My man loaded the breech in a minimum time of 3 seconds... blimey
Такая быстрая перезарядка, потому-что англичане пять раз в день, пьют чай и всегда в тонусе)
Brilliant stuff. Real pro's.
True that...
Armies 'round the world - *have autoloaders*
Royals - *laugh in tea*
USA doesn't even have a auto loader on the m1a2 abrams...
Nor does the Leopard 2...
Apart from the frenchies and. Russians and. Third world countries with ex Soviet equipment next generation NATO tanks could have auto loaders maybe complexity cost weight reliability or the forth man
@@m1a2abrams61 : He said "Armies around the world" not ALL Armies around world.
@@stephencrompton4352What??
before deciding on ammo types bae ran tests comparing loading speeds and found its faster than any other loading method or ammo type.
Faster than Autoloader
that safety guard for the loader is so sick. that's something most tanks should have. the LEO doesn't.
It's also the gun safety.
@@wraith01mg interesting. that's a great multi purpose design.
Does it also serve as the breach closing thingy?
@@nothingtoseehere1221 I think the breech closes automatically when the gun is loaded, like on most modern tank guns.
Cheiftain had it also,an excellent safety feature,completed the firing circuit.Gun would not fire without it being shut
Now. That's a loader !!!
Excellent speed loading.
That pull back shield on the loaders side of the gun has saved many broken arms
This commander clearly spec'd out his loader.. probably has vents for that 5% bonus, too
Быстро заряжает. Раздельно-гильзовое заряжание,но заряжает очень быстро.
This must be what an aced crew looks like.
for a two piece round tank the loader was pretty quick holy hell
and here gaijin wants to give me like a 7 second reload and some of the worst armour known to man
4-5 seconds to reload. What a machine the loader is. Depending on gunner skill, theoretically they can empty first stage ammo in about 16-20 seconds. In theory they can put 12 APFSDS or HESH down the range in a minute.
Good British loaders could send two HESH rounds flying in the air at the same time. Pretty impressive.
I think we need a "Challenger 2 Mad Minute"...
T72 can fire 9 rounds minute over any terrain while moving no western tank can match this rate of fire
@@michaelcarter319 Russian autoloaders take like 15 seconds bro 🤣🤣
@@michaelcarter319Challenger 2 is rated for a minimum of 12 per minute and a maximum of 15-18 per minute. Try again.
I miss the old office. LOADED!
Firing!
The best part is that the tank appears to be moving.
People who compare the Challenger 2 with tanks like the Abrams and Leopard 2 forget that the latter store their ammo in a separate compartment which has to be opened between each shot in order to reduce the chance of an ammo explosion if the tank is hit. If the Abrams/Leo loader was sitting with the round on his lap like the challenger loader, the loading times would be the similar in my opinion. That fact that there is a difference in loading and storage procedures is the main difference in loading time in this case and not the fact that the challenger uses 2 piece ammunition.
Nope, you cannot lapload 1 piece ammo without fear of it going boom in their hands. So no, it has everything to do with 2 piece ammunition.
@@tellyheadlol4258 No, there is no issue in laploading one piece ammunition. It has been done since the first tanks and is still being done today. But the loading procedure for the Leo 2 is just different than the challanger. Laploading the Leo 1 took about 2-3 seconds with one piece ammunition. If you lapload, one piece ammunition will usually be faster than two piece. Comparing one piece vs two piece loading times by using the challanger vs leo2 or abrsms is comparing apples an oranges. The difference is in the procedures and the designs of the tanks
@@Desoxyri What's the point of having a big armoured ammo stowage bustle with blow-out panels if you're just going to carry unprotected rounds on your lap.
@@agt155 well, that's my point. That's why the loading procedure is NOT to lap load. But you could if you wanted or needed to.
@@Desoxyri Yes you could do it, but it would be unsafe. That's the difference. With 2 piece ammo you can do it safely and it is the recognised procedure.
Damn i didnt know linus had a job in the challenger 2
I put this on loop and imagined i was in a war zone.
That loader is faster than an auto loader! Just costs 100th of the price.
wow i think i counted to 3 seconds for a reload , Awesome work
I hope our gallant Ukrainian trainees were shown this inspiring vid.
DPM :4800
Best job I ever had!! Miss it everyday.
Well in war thunder they are like hey let mix the tea first then reload the gun in the last 2 second
Never thought id say this but it seems the 2 piece ammunition makes the loader's job easier.
Less weight to move and more space to move around.
That loader is fast🏴👍
Extreme Death Machine amazing
That is very fast and it also looks like the loader gets a good amount of space for fast loading
3 piece ammo if you include the vent tube. We used to get 3 rds a minute on the move 😉 best job I ever had
@@tankie2ndrtr You a tankie and you don't know that Chieftain, CR and CR2 have 3 piece ammo. Yes the Vent tube is classed at part of ammo, plus the bag charge and round. 🤣🤣🤣
Charge bins used to be filled with coolant, excellent at keeping the beers cold.Is this still the case?
no XD
It is, CR2 still uses glycol filled bins, CR3 won’t though
every chieftan bin was full of beer in the early 80's on simulation in germany lol
isnt it better to keep charges in the turret with blow off panels. And non explosive rounds in the hull
The storage units on Challenger 2 are a pressurised and sealed glycol containers which surround the charge pack and rupture when hit. This soils the charge meaning cannot burn.
How fast are Ukrainian loaders with challenger tanks? Probably similar to this I would believe.
Wow whats with the russian comments lol
and what is wrong? :)
The KGB is working :D
it's a Russian channel..look at the video description :)
@@ГаврилоПринцип-и7ф never noticed lol! Makes sense now!
Don't forget to take a sip from teacup
I was taught to fire on the W of now. Firing NOW.
thats CR1 and earlier but with the CR2's digital FCS it does all the work for you and so the nOW is dropped
@@nspianist1507 OK Thanks where can I find more info on the gun kit and firing instructions NS?
@@hannible1002 not too sure. Arrse? Know anyone with battlebox access? Other than that maybe a bit of Google but it’s probably not easy to find without going back to bovvy lol
If it were me, I’d probably let off the round on the F of ‘Firing!’🤣💥
And people say Russian tanks are better than the Challenger 2 due to the autoloader.
This guy would have rinsed a T-80 or whatever in minutes and the Russian tank would be stuck reloading its gun again whilst this guy is still pumping rounds down the range.
How many rounds befire ceasefire
do the charges in the challenger have blast doors etc, or does the crew go kaboom along with the ammo?
Charges are kept in protected container.
The charges are non-volatile (they don’t explode when hit, they burn for 1-2 minutes) and are wet-racked in a protected container, which means usually when hit, the charges simply burn, are put out by the water in the container and are rendered useless instead of exploding.
Everything inside the turret is metal & sharp....yet no helmet ..at least give the man a beret ! 😪😽
Nobody loads wearing a bone dome.
It’s like a gym session.
Just get on with it
меня больше интересует то как работает система, как бы это назвать, ?отвода пороховых газов?... Не видно чтобы была какая-то задымлённость в боевом отделении...
там избыточное давление, всё наружу прёт
Эжектор чувак.
@@evilfurryfromnowhere4100 Эжектор и на Т-72 есть , однако в боевом отделении все в дыму.
In the closed down position the turret has over pressure. This in conjunction with the fume extractor on the barrel gets rid of almost all the smoke from firing the gun. But your fats will still smell of cordite. :-)
The gunner says "Firing!" instead of "On the way!"?
Onin Dynamics we don’t do everything Americans do.
The whole process is thus: Cmdr or gunner spots a target. If cmdr he says "Fin (or Hesh, or Co ax) tank (or whatever target, eg BMP, Men, etc )" The gunner when aligned onto the target replies "On" The loader will prepare to fire the round as stated by the commander. When ready he shouts "loaded". The gunner then reports "firing" and pushes in his firing switch, making the gun go boom or machine gun go ratata. On observation of hitting the target he shouts "Target" after which the commander will say "target go on" or "Target stop" depending on whether he determines the target to be sufficiently pacified. This is firing under direction of the commander. If the gunner has authority to fire he will forgo the steps of the commander and on shouting "fin tank" the loader will immediately reply "loaded" when ready. The commander can also take control of the firing process at any time by saying "fin tank mine" and taking control of the gun himself. Other examples of firing control orders are "Co ax men" - "On" - "loaded" - "Firing" - "Target" - "Target stop" This isn't even going into adjusting fire of hesh and co ax, which I can relay if interested. I'm a crewman on chally, just so you know I'm not making this all up. xD
@@mitternacht4062 please go on. I'm interested.
@@mitternacht4062 Ooooh okay
@@mitternacht4062 Hello Mitter Nacht, MoD here. Now, not to put too fine a point on it old chap, but you do remember that little document called "The Official Secrets Act" that you signed don't you? You know, around the time you joined up. Well, we were just wondering if you'd FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT IT! I mean, come on, this is RUSSIAN channel for goodness sake. What were you thinking? Next you'll be telling them about the boiling vessel.
...
Oh shit...
holey moley
Does the loader pull that plate back to close the breech block?
No, the breech closes automatically. That is meant to protect him from the breech's recoil
@@andrealves2630
So, does it also work a bit like the safety lever on the Abrams cannon? (Pull the plate back to switch the cannon from safe to fire)
@@undertow619
Yes.
Awesome!
I thought it would be fast cuz like since its two pieces it has less weight so faster reload
Doe chall have heat or cannister rounds
No, only APFSDS and HESH
Bryan Wong dont forget smoke rounds too !
А теперь представьте КВ-2, где вот этот чувак - заряжающий.
Two shells a minute maybe three?
M1a2 is faster at loading but in this tank the loader did well
It’s slower on the Abrams, roughly 6-7 seconds due to the ready rack door having to open, that doesn’t have to happen on CR2 due to the ammo being stored in armoured bins in the tank’s hull
Ебать, это он по полигону ровному едет, что будет по пересеченке? После нескольких дней боев без отдыха? Или ранения? Мне кажется слишком много "если"
МЗ/АЗ тоже ломается, даже от попадания снаряда без пробития во время перезарядки. Без МЗ/АЗ время перезарядки от 30 сек (норматив 1 мин).
@@nnteslann1928 ломается все, но человек чаще.
@@id_Usherbut you forget the circumstances if a z80 and a challenger spots each other at the same time the challenger loader has a better chance of loading faster and that means thw challenger will most likely get the first shot off
🇺🇦👍💪
пздц, кд 3 секунды при чём раздельногильзовое...
Человек быстрее, чем любая автоматическая система
Thanks Putin!
@@ГаврилоПринцип-и7ф только человек может устать или ошибиться, не говоря о смерти)
@@id_Usher ну да, АЗ не ломается и сервис ему не нужен.
p.s. 20-25кг, ~20 снарядов в БК первой очереди, перезарядка 3-5 сек, минуту потаскать 25кг человек устанет? Ну диван-мен может и устанет.
@@evilfurryfromnowhere4100 don't know what all that means but if you mean does this loader get a tea break after the yes.. comrade he does. ..lol
Bag charges are not correctly stowed bad drills