There’s no words that can describe the magical feeling that fills your soul when you ride a Harley Davidson. I’ve owned and ridden a ton of bikes and I keep coming back to the only one that soothes the soul: Harley Davidson. Thanks for the video brother.
I think it is, in part, because a Harley gives a person the true raw feeling of riding a motorcycle. You feel the heat of the engine (especially if stuck in slow traffic on a hot day) that tells you that this is an engine, not electric or even an engine hidden behind water and a radiator. It's raw and exposed. You see it fully in view and exposed including the oil tank, push rod sleeves, cooling fins, etc. As a result you become hyper aware of how the bike is running and thus become part of the bike. You just can't do that on a Goldwing.
It must be hard to run a company like Harley. If they modernize the engines their customers complain that they've lost their character or are too hard to customize and work on. If they don't modernize people complain about obsolete tech. If they source overseas they complain that Harleys are not American anymore but if they build in America people complain that they're too expensive. I certainly agree that Harley needs to build smaller, less expensive starter bikes. If they don't, they will just become a boutique bike.
Im 23 and own a Harley, I don't care to go insanely fast on a bike. I'll keep that for the cars. So, his statement that young people aren't interested in HD isn't entirely true.
I owned a Harley for over 20 years and two Honda before.The problem is that hardly are just too expensive for young people who have student loans and have to get a car and insurance and pay the high cost of rent to even think of buying an unnecessary toy like a motorcycle!Plus let’s not kid ourselves with all the distractions that car drivers are doing when talking on their phones,eating,texting,just not paying attention to their surroundings,puts motorcycles riders in great danger!! I luckily went to to a union job right after my 4 years in army .Where I bought a house at 1-1/2 times what I made in a year. Now home are about 3-4 times the average median salary! You can barely afford to take your family on vacation in this economy!
Harley-Davidson made an enormous mistake when they discontinued the real Sportster. That was the one Harley that was worth the price tag. The bigger M8 bikes are way too overpriced and as far as I'm concerned the RevMax engine looks more like shit and sounds more like shit than a Honda.
Spot on with your assessment of his video, as the old adage goes, with riding a Harley, and the feelings it gives you, “if I have to explain, you’ll never understand “
Good, fair, and balanced thoughts on Harley. Personally, Harleys have linited appeal to me because of the type of ridng I like to do, and that I like a lighter, more responsive style of bike. Although high performance is fun, having the ultimate weapon of speed has never been a criteria for me. Which is why I really like to see bikes like Harley which emphasize real world power, and all the reasons you enjoy about owning and riding one, because that makes sense for most riders. BTW, I am not insinuating HDs are low performance, because having ridden one of the new 117 CID models, it's a really strong performer. I guess my only other comment is I can't justify the prices when I have been super pleased with my relatively inexpensive Japanese bikes over the years, which affects many others similarly. The only thing I can really criticize Harley for is it's lack of models for new riders ( which is a complaint I have had about ALL manufacturers for many years) as they chased the more affluent, experienced riders. I am also of the opinion starting on the smallest, lightest machine possible, and moving up as your skills develop builds rider confidence that stays with you for a lifetime. And I believe the shrinking of the market is to a significant degree the result of industry neglect. And now the chickens are coming home to roost.
I think the edge that's going away is the old evolution engine with carbs, i have 96 softail custom and 05 twin cam softail. The reason I have these is the sound and the ease for me to repair em, the evo has a distinct sound and the newer models just can't sound as nice, the main problem is the newer models require dealership support as sensors abound. The older models are nice. But come with challenges, newer models have nice improvements but unfortunately quality is hitcand miss, for harley davidson to thrive they need to support all Harleys
I’m 57 years old and just bought my first HD Street Glide in September, I came from riding Japanese bikes. In my opinion the street glide is good value for the money.
I agree with all your points man. When I saw the vid of Yammie my first thought was that he's just trying to stir the pot and incite response videos - because he's running out of ideas. I agree with your take on his stance. Stay cool man.
Well said, I totally share your opinion, it's sad to see today that there are people who only criticize in a non-constructive way for the pleasure of destroying whether out of jealousy, frustration or any other reason and surely to put themselves forward in a certain way and we will always find people who hate Harley Davidson, but undoubtedly they have not felt and understood the emotion that these machines can provide as you say so well and all the community they generated and which surrounds them. I ride bikes since more than 45 years and Harleys since 15 years now and will never go back to another brand, it's part of my life now. Greetings from France..
You are absolutely correct about the sound and feel factor of a Harley. I love my Harley 2003 Fatboy for the feel of it, intrinsically as well as physically. I know I'm not winning any races and it's probably more expensive to. keep up, but I can live with it. Yammie Noob thinks everybody should be racing in a Power Ranger suit.
Very good video. I watch Yammi Noob from time to time. He makes some good points but the bottom line is people who buy Harleys do so because they Love the brand! You did a very fair review of Yammie's comments.
I love my Iron 883 2017 however the corporate mindset is killing Harley, gone are the family owned and operated businesses, they stopped the Sportsters the Dyna now the Rev max is a good engine but it’s way too expensive for a bike that has more plastic and a small petrol tank under the seat
I think Harley is on pricing point with Indian, Honda and BMW and others for the same type of bike...and yes they are all expensive. The top of the line sportbikes are in the low and mid 30's here in Canada as well. I see many younger guys and ladies here in Southern Ontario buying new Harley's...maybe it's a regional thing...not sure.
We're blessed with probably the longest riding season in the county. That makes investing in a nice bike make more sense. If you can ride March to December it makes more sense
All the criticism of Harley is the same old, same old. People have been saying they're old man bikes and too expensive and too loud and too slow and the guys who ride them are big, scary meanies ever since the forties. There is certainly some valid criticism of the company, the main one being they need to get rid of the CEO from the tennis shoe company. He has no feel for Harley or motorcycles in general.
U r not out to lunch u r logical spot on. Noobis a bit of a harley hater. Went into a ducati dealer very close to my home and the prices of everything is INSANELY HIGH! People stop bashing hd on price everyone is too high now
Hey Saint…very well done & nicely said! I used to be a YN fan…not anymore. Have always been an HD LOYALIST some folks just will never get it & that’s ok. Now if we can get rid of Z Man that will go a long way to fixing what ails the current HD ISSUES. Be well my friend…Mark G
Considering that you live up in the Great White North, You could really increase the length of your riding Season if you could purchase an AMF Harley Davidson Snowmobile .. Some were Orange and Black and some were Red White and Blue .
When you walk into a Harley dealership the selection is - big bikes. Yes you have the 2 Sportster models but who do these machines appeal to? I go back to the days when you walked into a Harley dealership and had a big selection, that is the typical lineup and the models of Harley branded Aermacchi motorcycles dirt bikes, dual purpose bikes and the 2 Sprint models street and scrambler versions. For decades starting in the 50's you had the option of smaller bikes such as the HUMMER, the M50 and the XL Sportster. That lineup increased in the 60's with the Aermacchi models; The Topper The Sprints - 250cc then 350cc. The Ala Rossa 175 cc. The Ala Verde 250 cc. The Leggero 65 cc. The C Sprint 250cc. The Brezza SC-150 cc. The Rapido Model ML 125 cc. The MSR-100 Baja 100 cc. The AMF Harley-Davidson SX-350 cc. The MC-65 Shortster. The SR 100. The X-90 and Z-90 models. The TX 125. The SXT 125 models. The SX 250. The SST 350. And many scooters. Who bought those bikes? Youngsters mostly ( well purchased by their parents ) I had a Rapido 125cc in 1971 when I was 13. I was thrilled to have a bike that displayed Harley Davidson on the tank. AMF did away with the Aermacchi brand just at the time they were building a liquid cooled 2 stroke engine. There was also a V-4 Harley experimental machine in the early 70's. When you mention younger riders I can't help but think that they're not looking for big bikes when they walk into a Harleydealership. And why would they go there anyway- there's nothing there for them. Dirt bikes, dual purpose bikes and adventure bikes are popular these days. When you think back to the 60's and early 70's Harley Davidson offered a variety of machines for young riders AND aging riders you could say who still had the option of riding a Harley branded bike like the 250 and 350 Sprint. When the Pan American was introduced to the public in 2018 and was finally launched in 2021 there were rumors Harley would bring a smaller version of that adventure bike using the new liquid-cooled, V-Twin Revolution® Max 975T. It never happened. I'm a 66 year old disabled veteran. I was always loyal to the brand and simply put I guess you could say yearning for the days of old when you walked into a Harley dealership and actually had a choice. The smaller version Pan America never came so recently I purchased a 2024 Kawasaki klr 650. I still ride my 2007 Ultra Classic but not as often. What are the choices offered by Harley for youngsters and oldsters AND women of all ages? Royal Enfield is doing now, with choices - many of them what Harley used to do. Johan USMC BEIRUT VETERAN DISABLED
Always excited for your content on the weekend Thanks for posting! Yammie is very biased towards the sport bike scene. I used to subscribe to Yammie Noob but the thick bias to the point of being insult just got old. I still see a video of his now and then but it's quite repetitive. Much prefer your content. ;)
I like Harley a lot. Currently, I have an Indian and a Japanese bike. I think Harley has earned some criticism but ultimately I hope that they put a CEO that actually understands the customer base and they continue on strong. Someday, I’d like to add a Heritage Classic to my collection. Yammie Noob isn’t someone I follow, but he likes poking HD in the eye and does it with some comedy. I don’t think anyone should take offense to it.
If I wanted a sports bike I would not get a Harley. If I want a nice looking, nice sounding, customizable and one that holds it's value somewhat, I would get me a Harley. A Fatboy to be specific. :)
I actually know some people who rode across the country on two bonnevills and a Honda shadow all loaded down with camping gear. Taking back roads most of the way. All depends on the experience your looking for I guess.
@canadiansa1nt309 yeah. Comfort isn't paramount to everyone. I think a lot of guys loose sight of that. Some want it to be challenging. You ever seen the movie 21 days under the sky? Guys riding coast to coast on hard tail choppers. They planned that trip right after watching that movie lol.
He’s not wrong about everything he says, just most of it! Harley’s strategy right now is an awful one. Zeitz and the board need to go. That said, some of these metric fanboys just bash Harley for some quick clicks and views. They don’t get that we buy Harleys because we want a different experience. If we are paying a bit more for the experience we want, that’s up to us. Harleys are actually competitively priced to many comparable bikes from other companies. And try riding that Bonnie cross country as you point out. Can it be done? Sure. It it going to be a great experience? Probably not.
Functional 😂😂 April 2022 bought 2018 Harley Davidson Road King with bog standard 107 engine and FHDSH and 8,491 miles. April 2024, still with FHDSH and with just 17,343 miles I had to have a complete engine rebuild due to the camshaft picking up and excessive engine wear caused by the known problem apparently (isn't hindsight and the internet forums wonderful) by Harley Davidson with early 107s of oil pump cavitation and poor oil pump feed and scavenging. These oil pumps were replaced on 2019 models due to their piss poor performance - SO WHY NO RECALL? Requested contribution to repair from Harley Davidson UK - 😂😂 Dealer stated that they have done likewise repairs over the last 4-5 years on 1-2 bikes per year. This was my fourth and last Harley Davidson - F&&k HD
You need a big bike in the U.S if you want to do real motorcycle rides. You need the power. You live in a crowded city sure zip around on a smaller bike or a crotch rocket, but you are not really doing any kind of long distance riding. The people that I know that have those kind of bikes, wheelie, zip in and out of traffic and love city riding and race to the next stop light.
He doesn’t like adv bikes either. I think Harley just needs to make some bikes that are more accessible to entry-level riders. I’d like to see them make an enduro/dual sport as well as more adv options.
Hating Harley-Davidson has become a cottage industry- YT is full of haters envious of H-D's success/owner loyalty and I'm not exactly sure why- you don't see that type of harsh criticism/ outright hatred of H-D's competitors.... seems like a double standard to me. Ride what you like and like what you ride; motorcycling in the U.S. is suffering (don't know about Canada) and anything that puts people up on two or three wheels is a good thing.
HD never really had an edge. It was all about feeling good about riding a bike that sounded good, looked good and made you proud. I have a couple big twins, old and new and anybody that bales on them cuz of crappy management, all you're doing is F'ing the little guy that works for HD. Be consistent. My new LRS is a super cool ride and I'm still proud to own it.
I've been a yammie sub for a lot of years. He's a crotch-rocket guy, as was I when I was under 35. He makes a lot of good points especially about financing and pricing. His point of view is typical of his age bracket (more or less). Harley should take what he says as a wake-up call. Harley won't last 15 more years if they rely on the 'ol boys' to keep buying bikes. A lot of HD enthusiasts are aging out of riding tbh Being just over 50 now and having 4 v-twin cruisers and touring bikes, I am on the bottom end of the HD ol boys club. I see in my circles there are about 3 guys aging out of riding HD's for every 1 that comes into it, not including guys who crash out and can't ride again. yammie sums it up here - th-cam.com/video/cEQKMkgQ19o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UhFFRZCrVJ5mEKjZ&t=561 . I wouldn't say he hates cruiser/touring guys, he just doesn't relate :)
Harley has survived on nostalgia for way too long. If Harley wants to survive they need to make affordable bikes just like other premium companies (Triumph). The bikes Harley makes are overpriced by a ton, and the product, though nice, is not even relatively close to being worth the asking price.
I think broke people will prefer to worry about the price of their motorcycles and service charges or parts wile others that can afford Harley Davidson we just enjoy them 😂😂
well, yammie is slang for yamaha and noob means inexperienced, so make what you will of that. harley got it right years ago with an advertising slogan they used to have, "things are different on a harley" and anyone who owns and rides harleys knows what that means. that being said, i have no issues with the different bikes people choose to ride, but those who criticize harley motorcycles and or the people that choose to ride them have no idea why we ride them in the first place.
All this does leave out the fact that Yammie has a gentleman named "Spite" on his channel, who IS a dedicated H-D/cruiser enthusiast. I'm perfectly good with YN doing his "H-Ds suck because they suck," routine, as he's entitled to his opinion and identifies it as his alone. H-D is what got me into biking thirty-five years ago, and I'm sticking with the motor company until the U.S., and all companies housed therein, calls it a day.
$12,000 for a Nightster $8,000 for a Yamaha MT-07 HD is a Cult Brand .. a Fool and their money may soon buy a HD. You should thank the Competition from Indian forcing them to improve their Suspension go to LED lights ect.
Riding a Road Glide for your first bike is like having a Corvette for your first car. It’s possible, but there are a lot of things you need to work on. There are thousands of older Harleys available under $10,000. Harley’s largest mistake was eliminating the Dyna line. That was the line of bikes a moderately new rider loved. It was “bigger” than a Sportster, but not too big for newer riders. Yammie is just a H-D hater. He gets clicks by bashing them. There is no other brand of motorcycle that is so well supported Worldwide. So Yammie can be a hater all he likes. I will keep putting 15,000 to 20,000 miles a year on my Road Glide or Ultra Limited. 500 Triumphs / Hondas / Yamahas going down the road do not elicit the same emotional response as 500 Harleys.
Its true Hd can go thousand miles but you better be sure you got every parts replaced before you head out or you're going to be sorry lets be real no sugar coating it theres always somebody aint gonna make in the bunch. But if you have Japanese and Italian or German bike bmw you know as everybody knows they will pass you by while they sleep its just reality.
When I was young, I could buy a Harley for $100. Right now, I can see over 1,000 Harley's for sale. Many with less than 5000 miles. Many for sale with a asking price over $12K. There are guys out there that bid on 100s of them, offering 1/2 of the asking price. Successfully. Never pay more than 1/2. Of course, with guys signing up for 84 months of payments, many are so underwater, they're screwed. My best bike: 1978 Suzuki GS1000E. 25 years. Fast, smooth, reliable.
I am waiting for the economy to crash and sound money replace the FIAT fraudulent finance system - meanwhile we have to accept the fact that you need more toiletpaper for quality.. As Blackrock is the owner of HD... well, I love the HD bikes and hate the IVA 23% where I live.
Yammies a sport bike guy. So like most riders like that, harleys are looked at theough a performance per dollar lens. For what they cost. Harley's perform pretty badly. Weight definitely affects performance. Idk why most Harley riders dismiss this or think its just about maneuvering in a parking lot. Weight affects performance negatively.. And of coarse, the revmax bikes that remedy alot of the short comings in performance are hated by the Harley usuals.
Harleys perform great! They have tons of torque and easily out-perform most cars on the road and still get great fuel mileage for a big bike. They are not meant to be racing bikes.
@mrpoizun that's not really the point my friend. Every bike just about out performs most cars on the road. When compared to other motorcycles, however, thats usually a different story. I have only ridden Harley's and both bikes I've ever owned were Harley's. So I understand what you mean. I understand what yammienoob is saying as well. The strange thing to me is when one can't at all relate to the other. Seems to me that Harley people are like truck people lol. Want something big and tall, heavy so they feel safe and are isolated from the road etc. and sport bike guys are like sports car people. Wanting something light. Responsive, with good power to weight. feeling connected to the road etc. raptors are awesome and sporty as long as they're compared to other trucks. But as soon as they're compared to something like a sports car, you see it's just a big heavy comfy truck that has more power than most. I just wish Harley ALSO made bikes that appeal to sports car guys. You say they're not supposed to be race bikes. But neither are any of the current middleweight naked bikes that you can pick up now around 10k. Hell an mto7 is just a standard motorcycle that'd probably beat most of the bikes in Harley's lineup and it's only around 9k to get into. Takes alot to look past that for people on that side of the fence.
Hey mate. Yeah, YN, like all responsible media, runs with anecdotes, plays with generalizations, and otherwise does it for the clicks. Overbranding? See KISS. Price? Yeah, and Honda also makes outstanding, overpriced, top-heavy roto-tillers. Airstream trailers are supposed to the finest in the world, 4-6 times the price of modern box trailers. Bought a new 14', and it was a big aluminum steaming pile (EDIT: Airstream did basically remanufacture it, on their nickel, at the Ohio assembly plant service facility, and it's been trouble-free since 15'). But anyways, his line on Motor is the same old, worn-out schtick.
Not making the Bronx was a huge mistake. It would also be nice to make a Pan America with 975 engine. I rode Harley‘s my whole life. They’re beautiful motorcycles but something‘s gotta change or Harley‘s gonna be in trouble. Plus I’ve had nothing but problems buying from a dealership. The markup is over ridiculous in some places even today in a down market. Yummy noob talks a lot of crap to get you to click on his videos and it seems it’s working.
@ when I first saw the Bronx concept I was sold. I just hope they’re not gonna do what I think they’re gonna do and that is create a sportster with a 1250 engine with the Bronx name. I guess we’re gonna have to wait and see. In my humble opinion, Harley should’ve marketed the pan America more. It was a huge selling motorcycle when it came out. They should’ve followed it up with a smaller lighter Pan American with the 975 engine. They should produce a street fighter Bronx and a lower level sportster line for introductory riders. They need to bring back the Fat Bob with a 117 engine. Their 25th anniversary Fat Boy needs to be perfect. They’re touring line needs to be sold at base or fully loaded, but they should sell packages that way it brings the initial cost down and you can add the packages overtime. Since the CEO and the board of directors destroyed the used value market of the Harley. They need to start a guaranteed buyback program, meaning they guarantee after so many years that your trade value will be a certain percentage based on mileage and condition. The final thing that needs to be done the CEO needs to move on and the Board of Directors needs to be shaken up.
Wrong. Sold my Harley for $4.2k sold it for $3.5K after 15 years in 5 days. Could gotten more if I was willing to wait. Sold my Honda Shadow after 2 years for 1/2 the price though.
HD has forgotten the customers that helped them become what they are. They no longer support the vets and their is not such thing as an entry level bikes to get new customers. They also have never seemed to be able to operate as well managed business and only survived with government assistance and buyouts. Then their is the betrayal of moving manufacturing to Asia. I would love to support HD as a North American brand and manufacture but I just can't justify paying the price tag for an unreliable bike. I can p[ay 1/4 the price and get a Japanese bike that does everything and more than would an HD could even dream of doing. You choose Japanese because in the motorcycle world they are bulletproof and reliable. You say its about the feeling but is the feeling really worth extra $5000-$10000 that you will never get back. In Canada the cheapest bike you can get is around $20,000 and that is with 30,000-60,000 km on it. You may find something for $10,000 but it will have over 80,000 km on it and you will need to put another $6000+ to rebuild the engine.
LMFAO I f the point of your video is why you like the HD YOU MADE YOUR POINT BUT IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GIVE REASON WHY THEY ARE DYING OUT AND SUGGEST WHAT THEY NEED TO STAY IN BUSINESS YOU FAILED WITH THAT SAID I LIKE MY OLD VROD 2014 MUSCLE AND MY 2O02 883. THE QUESTION HD NEED TO ASK IS WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE YOUNG GENERATIONS GET EXCITED ABOUT HARLEY ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE I FOR ONE AMONG OTHER BIKERS ARE SOOOO EXCITED ABOUT EB OR BUELL SUPER CRUISER I WILL KEEP MY OLD HD BUT I WILL SOON GO FOR BUELL I AM ALREADY DESIGNING. "" SUPER CRUISER :"" PATCH FOR MY NEW JACKET ASSUMING THE BUELL IS NOT GONNA FALTER AGAIN.
There’s no words that can describe the magical feeling that fills your soul when you ride a Harley Davidson. I’ve owned and ridden a ton of bikes and I keep coming back to the only one that soothes the soul: Harley Davidson. Thanks for the video brother.
No problem boss 👍
I think it is, in part, because a Harley gives a person the true raw feeling of riding a motorcycle. You feel the heat of the engine (especially if stuck in slow traffic on a hot day) that tells you that this is an engine, not electric or even an engine hidden behind water and a radiator. It's raw and exposed. You see it fully in view and exposed including the oil tank, push rod sleeves, cooling fins, etc. As a result you become hyper aware of how the bike is running and thus become part of the bike. You just can't do that on a Goldwing.
@ totally agree, well said brother!! 🏍️🏍️
It must be hard to run a company like Harley. If they modernize the engines their customers complain that they've lost their character or are too hard to customize and work on. If they don't modernize people complain about obsolete tech. If they source overseas they complain that Harleys are not American anymore but if they build in America people complain that they're too expensive.
I certainly agree that Harley needs to build smaller, less expensive starter bikes. If they don't, they will just become a boutique bike.
They definitely seem to have to walk a fine line.
Excellent take on HD.
I think you’re spot-on with your take. I couldn’t agree more - it looks like Yammie is into performance bikes - to each, his own, as they say!!
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Im 23 and own a Harley, I don't care to go insanely fast on a bike. I'll keep that for the cars. So, his statement that young people aren't interested in HD isn't entirely true.
Good to hear
Thanks!
Thank you Dave. You the man!
In the end it all comes down to what I always say: "How do you make a sport bike invisible?" "Park a Harley next to it." 🙂
Sounds about right 👍
I owned a Harley for over 20 years and two Honda before.The problem is that hardly are just too expensive for young people who have student loans and have to get a car and insurance and pay the high cost of rent to even think of buying an unnecessary toy like a motorcycle!Plus let’s not kid ourselves with all the distractions that car drivers are doing when talking on their phones,eating,texting,just not paying attention to their surroundings,puts motorcycles riders in great danger!! I luckily went to to a union job right after my 4 years in army .Where I bought a house at 1-1/2 times what I made in a year. Now home are about 3-4 times the average median salary! You can barely afford to take your family on vacation in this economy!
Harley-Davidson made an enormous mistake when they discontinued the real Sportster. That was the one Harley that was worth the price tag.
The bigger M8 bikes are way too overpriced and as far as I'm concerned the RevMax engine looks more like shit and sounds more like shit than a Honda.
Spot on with your assessment of his video, as the old adage goes, with riding a Harley, and the feelings it gives you, “if I have to explain, you’ll never understand “
Agreed 👍
Good, fair, and balanced thoughts on Harley. Personally, Harleys have linited appeal to me because of the type of ridng I like to do, and that I like a lighter, more responsive style of bike. Although high performance is fun, having the ultimate weapon of speed has never been a criteria for me. Which is why I really like to see bikes like Harley which emphasize real world power, and all the reasons you enjoy about owning and riding one, because that makes sense for most riders.
BTW, I am not insinuating HDs are low performance, because having ridden one of the new 117 CID models, it's a really strong performer.
I guess my only other comment is I can't justify the prices when I have been super pleased with my relatively inexpensive Japanese bikes over the years, which affects many others similarly.
The only thing I can really criticize Harley for is it's lack of models for new riders ( which is a complaint I have had about ALL manufacturers for many years) as they chased the more affluent, experienced riders. I am also of the opinion starting on the smallest, lightest machine possible, and moving up as your skills develop builds rider confidence that stays with you for a lifetime. And I believe the shrinking of the market is to a significant degree the result of industry neglect.
And now the chickens are coming home to roost.
I think the edge that's going away is the old evolution engine with carbs, i have 96 softail custom and 05 twin cam softail. The reason I have these is the sound and the ease for me to repair em, the evo has a distinct sound and the newer models just can't sound as nice, the main problem is the newer models require dealership support as sensors abound. The older models are nice. But come with challenges, newer models have nice improvements but unfortunately quality is hitcand miss, for harley davidson to thrive they need to support all Harleys
Always loved the evo’s.
I’m 57 years old and just bought my first HD Street Glide in September, I came from riding Japanese bikes. In my opinion the street glide is good value for the money.
Agreed 👍
I agree with all your points man. When I saw the vid of Yammie my first thought was that he's just trying to stir the pot and incite response videos - because he's running out of ideas. I agree with your take on his stance. Stay cool man.
Thanks boss. He gets pretty insulting. I’m assuming he does it for shock value.
Well said, I totally share your opinion, it's sad to see today that there are people who only criticize in a non-constructive way for the pleasure of destroying whether out of jealousy, frustration or any other reason and surely to put themselves forward in a certain way and we will always find people who hate Harley Davidson, but undoubtedly they have not felt and understood the emotion that these machines can provide as you say so well and all the community they generated and which surrounds them. I ride bikes since more than 45 years and Harleys since 15 years now and will never go back to another brand, it's part of my life now.
Greetings from France..
You are absolutely correct about the sound and feel factor of a Harley. I love my Harley 2003 Fatboy for the feel of it, intrinsically as well as physically. I know I'm not winning any races and it's probably more expensive to. keep up, but I can live with it. Yammie Noob thinks everybody should be racing in a Power Ranger suit.
Having a Harley is an experience. I think ol’ Yammie just misses the point.
Very good video. I watch Yammi Noob from time to time. He makes some good points but the bottom line is people who buy Harleys do so because they Love the brand! You did a very fair review of Yammie's comments.
Thank you 🙏🏻
I love my Iron 883 2017 however the corporate mindset is killing Harley, gone are the family owned and operated businesses, they stopped the Sportsters the Dyna now the Rev max is a good engine but it’s way too expensive for a bike that has more plastic and a small petrol tank under the seat
I think Harley is on pricing point with Indian, Honda and BMW and others for the same type of bike...and yes they are all expensive. The top of the line sportbikes are in the low and mid 30's here in Canada as well. I see many younger guys and ladies here in Southern Ontario buying new Harley's...maybe it's a regional thing...not sure.
We're blessed with probably the longest riding season in the county. That makes investing in a nice bike make more sense. If you can ride March to December it makes more sense
All the criticism of Harley is the same old, same old. People have been saying they're old man bikes and too expensive and too loud and too slow and the guys who ride them are big, scary meanies ever since the forties. There is certainly some valid criticism of the company, the main one being they need to get rid of the CEO from the tennis shoe company. He has no feel for Harley or motorcycles in general.
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U r not out to lunch u r logical spot on. Noobis a bit of a harley hater. Went into a ducati dealer very close to my home and the prices of everything is INSANELY HIGH! People stop bashing hd on price everyone is too high now
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100% agree with you
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Ya...Yamie Noob guy is off the mark on his synopsis.
Agreed 👍
Hey Saint…very well done & nicely said! I used to be a YN fan…not anymore. Have always been an HD LOYALIST some folks just will never get it & that’s ok. Now if we can get rid of Z Man that will go a long way to fixing what ails the current HD ISSUES. Be well my friend…Mark G
Thanks boss 👍
Thanks boss 👍
Considering that you live up in the Great White North, You could really increase the length of your riding Season if you could purchase an AMF Harley Davidson Snowmobile .. Some were Orange and Black and some were Red White and Blue .
I used to have sleds (snowmobiles). They were all Arctic Cat though. I’m just not interested in the cold anymore 🥶
When you walk into a Harley dealership the selection is - big bikes.
Yes you have the 2 Sportster models but who do these machines appeal to?
I go back to the days when you walked into a Harley dealership and had a big selection, that is the typical lineup and the models of Harley branded Aermacchi motorcycles dirt bikes, dual purpose bikes and the 2 Sprint models street and scrambler versions.
For decades starting in the 50's you had the option of smaller bikes such as the HUMMER, the M50 and the XL Sportster.
That lineup increased in the 60's with the Aermacchi models;
The Topper
The Sprints - 250cc then 350cc.
The Ala Rossa 175 cc.
The Ala Verde 250 cc.
The Leggero 65 cc.
The C Sprint 250cc.
The Brezza SC-150 cc.
The Rapido Model ML 125 cc.
The MSR-100 Baja 100 cc.
The AMF Harley-Davidson SX-350 cc.
The MC-65 Shortster.
The SR 100.
The X-90 and Z-90 models.
The TX 125.
The SXT 125 models.
The SX 250.
The SST 350.
And many scooters.
Who bought those bikes?
Youngsters mostly ( well purchased by their parents )
I had a Rapido 125cc in 1971 when I was 13. I was thrilled to have a bike that displayed Harley Davidson on the tank.
AMF did away with the Aermacchi brand just at the time they were building a liquid cooled 2 stroke engine.
There was also a V-4 Harley experimental machine in the early 70's.
When you mention younger riders I can't help but think that they're not looking for big bikes when they walk into a Harleydealership. And why would they go there anyway- there's nothing there for them.
Dirt bikes, dual purpose bikes and adventure bikes are popular these days.
When you think back to the 60's and early 70's Harley Davidson offered a variety of machines for young riders AND aging riders you could say who still had the option of riding a Harley branded bike like the 250 and 350 Sprint.
When the Pan American was introduced to the public in 2018 and was finally launched in 2021 there were rumors Harley would bring a smaller version of that adventure bike using the new liquid-cooled, V-Twin Revolution® Max 975T. It never happened.
I'm a 66 year old disabled veteran. I was always loyal to the brand and simply put I guess you could say yearning for the days of old when you walked into a Harley dealership and actually had a choice.
The smaller version Pan America never came so recently I purchased a 2024 Kawasaki klr 650.
I still ride my 2007 Ultra Classic but not as often.
What are the choices offered by Harley for youngsters and oldsters AND women of all ages?
Royal Enfield is doing now, with choices - many of them what Harley used to do.
Johan
USMC
BEIRUT VETERAN DISABLED
Well said my friend.
Thanks boss 👍
The nightster 975 is overpriced and should be under $10k.
Can’t argue with you on that.
Always excited for your content on the weekend Thanks for posting! Yammie is very biased towards the sport bike scene. I used to subscribe to Yammie Noob but the thick bias to the point of being insult just got old. I still see a video of his now and then but it's quite repetitive. Much prefer your content. ;)
Thanks. I don’t watch very much of his stuff but he definitely does lean heavily towards the sport bikes. Especially Japanese.
RIP HD Inc 1903-1999 and F Jochen the Destroyer.
Yammie doesn’t do or say too much on HD!!
He's not all wrong but he is funny and not well rounded.
I like Harley a lot. Currently, I have an Indian and a Japanese bike. I think Harley has earned some criticism but ultimately I hope that they put a CEO that actually understands the customer base and they continue on strong. Someday, I’d like to add a Heritage Classic to my collection. Yammie Noob isn’t someone I follow, but he likes poking HD in the eye and does it with some comedy. I don’t think anyone should take offense to it.
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If I wanted a sports bike I would not get a Harley. If I want a nice looking, nice sounding, customizable and one that holds it's value somewhat, I would get me a Harley. A Fatboy to be specific. :)
Makes sense 👍
His name says it all 😂 …but anyways great mature reply 🙌
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I actually know some people who rode across the country on two bonnevills and a Honda shadow all loaded down with camping gear. Taking back roads most of the way. All depends on the experience your looking for I guess.
That sounds like it could have been a bit of a rough ride.
@canadiansa1nt309 yeah. Comfort isn't paramount to everyone. I think a lot of guys loose sight of that. Some want it to be challenging. You ever seen the movie 21 days under the sky? Guys riding coast to coast on hard tail choppers. They planned that trip right after watching that movie lol.
harley to me is a touring company now when they put the dyna and softtail togeather this was wrong
There’s a lot of folks who feel the same as you. Perhaps 2025 will be the year of the Softail.
I never did like that Yammie noob guy.
He seems like quite the character.
I watched him a few times, nothing against the guy, but I got tired of his whining.
I don't bother much with yammi noob. It seems he only puts out videos that catch people's attention.
Most likely. That’s probably why he has so many views.
He’s not wrong about everything he says, just most of it! Harley’s strategy right now is an awful one. Zeitz and the board need to go. That said, some of these metric fanboys just bash Harley for some quick clicks and views. They don’t get that we buy Harleys because we want a different experience. If we are paying a bit more for the experience we want, that’s up to us. Harleys are actually competitively priced to many comparable bikes from other companies. And try riding that Bonnie cross country as you point out. Can it be done? Sure. It it going to be a great experience? Probably not.
Agreed. Unfortunately, if they get rid of Zeitz they’ll just install someone else who’s just the same.
Weird... I've never seen a Honda tattoo.
Actually, me either.
They should of kept the garage 4:52 vibe..
Functional 😂😂
April 2022 bought 2018 Harley Davidson Road King with bog standard 107 engine and FHDSH and 8,491 miles.
April 2024, still with FHDSH and with just 17,343 miles I had to have a complete engine rebuild due to the camshaft picking up and excessive engine wear caused by the known problem apparently (isn't hindsight and the internet forums wonderful) by Harley Davidson with early 107s of oil pump cavitation and poor oil pump feed and scavenging.
These oil pumps were replaced on 2019 models due to their piss poor performance - SO WHY NO RECALL?
Requested contribution to repair from Harley Davidson UK - 😂😂
Dealer stated that they have done likewise repairs over the last 4-5 years on 1-2 bikes per year.
This was my fourth and last Harley Davidson - F&&k HD
Different strokes, man… it’s all good 14:41
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You need a big bike in the U.S if you want to do real motorcycle rides. You need the power. You live in a crowded city sure zip around on a smaller bike or a crotch rocket, but you are not really doing any kind of long distance riding. The people that I know that have those kind of bikes, wheelie, zip in and out of traffic and love city riding and race to the next stop light.
He doesn’t like adv bikes either. I think Harley just needs to make some bikes that are more accessible to entry-level riders. I’d like to see them make an enduro/dual sport as well as more adv options.
except he just bought an adv as his main bike so you would be incorrect.
Hating Harley-Davidson has become a cottage industry- YT is full of haters envious of H-D's success/owner loyalty and I'm not exactly sure why- you don't see that type of harsh criticism/ outright hatred of H-D's competitors.... seems like a double standard to me. Ride what you like and like what you ride; motorcycling in the U.S. is suffering (don't know about Canada) and anything that puts people up on two or three wheels is a good thing.
I think both countries are in the same boat when it comes to motorcycling.
HD never really had an edge. It was all about feeling good about riding a bike that sounded good, looked good and made you proud. I have a couple big twins, old and new and anybody that bales on them cuz of crappy management, all you're doing is F'ing the little guy that works for HD. Be consistent. My new LRS is a super cool ride and I'm still proud to own it.
What's an "LRS"???
@@mrpoizun HD Low Rider S 117- 2023
I've been a yammie sub for a lot of years. He's a crotch-rocket guy, as was I when I was under 35. He makes a lot of good points especially about financing and pricing. His point of view is typical of his age bracket (more or less). Harley should take what he says as a wake-up call. Harley won't last 15 more years if they rely on the 'ol boys' to keep buying bikes. A lot of HD enthusiasts are aging out of riding tbh Being just over 50 now and having 4 v-twin cruisers and touring bikes, I am on the bottom end of the HD ol boys club. I see in my circles there are about 3 guys aging out of riding HD's for every 1 that comes into it, not including guys who crash out and can't ride again. yammie sums it up here - th-cam.com/video/cEQKMkgQ19o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UhFFRZCrVJ5mEKjZ&t=561 . I wouldn't say he hates cruiser/touring guys, he just doesn't relate :)
All good points.
Harley made a Street 500cc
You are correct
in india or ghina
Harley has survived on nostalgia for way too long. If Harley wants to survive they need to make affordable bikes just like other premium companies (Triumph). The bikes Harley makes are overpriced by a ton, and the product, though nice, is not even relatively close to being worth the asking price.
I think broke people will prefer to worry about the price of their motorcycles and service charges or parts wile others that can afford Harley Davidson we just enjoy them 😂😂
Indeed
(The apostrophe's not needed for "its" in the title. "It's" is a contraction of "it is". Apparently AI's not perfect yet.)
You’re the second grammar cop to point that out, haha!
@@canadiansa1nt309 Not easy. Low pay, no benefits. 🙂
well, yammie is slang for yamaha and noob means inexperienced, so make what you will of that. harley got it right years ago with an advertising slogan they used to have, "things are different on a harley" and anyone who owns and rides harleys knows what that means. that being said, i have no issues with the different bikes people choose to ride, but those who criticize harley motorcycles and or the people that choose to ride them have no idea why we ride them in the first place.
You make a lot of sense 👍
All this does leave out the fact that Yammie has a gentleman named "Spite" on his channel, who IS a dedicated H-D/cruiser enthusiast. I'm perfectly good with YN doing his "H-Ds suck because they suck," routine, as he's entitled to his opinion and identifies it as his alone. H-D is what got me into biking thirty-five years ago, and I'm sticking with the motor company until the U.S., and all companies housed therein, calls it a day.
Motorcycles should be cheap fun .that Woke CEO will doom this company because he had no clue of what he is doing.
$12,000 for a Nightster $8,000 for a Yamaha MT-07 HD is a Cult Brand .. a Fool and their money may soon buy a HD.
You should thank the Competition from Indian forcing them to improve their Suspension go to LED lights ect.
Yammie noob is drama
Agreed 👍
My man asked why Japanese bike...lol....the fact that he is a HD fan amkes this vid somewhat biased.
The Japanese manufacture machines. Harley-Davidson makes families.
That’s a good way to put it.
They have you and your wallet duped.
Riding a Road Glide for your first bike is like having a Corvette for your first car. It’s possible, but there are a lot of things you need to work on. There are thousands of older Harleys available under $10,000. Harley’s largest mistake was eliminating the Dyna line. That was the line of bikes a moderately new rider loved. It was “bigger” than a Sportster, but not too big for newer riders. Yammie is just a H-D hater. He gets clicks by bashing them. There is no other brand of motorcycle that is so well supported Worldwide. So Yammie can be a hater all he likes. I will keep putting 15,000 to 20,000 miles a year on my Road Glide or Ultra Limited. 500 Triumphs / Hondas / Yamahas going down the road do not elicit the same emotional response as 500 Harleys.
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They still have the Softail line, which fills the Dyna niche just fine. The Dynas were always a poor replacement for the FXR anyway.
Its true Hd can go thousand miles but you better be sure you got every parts replaced before you head out or you're going to be sorry lets be real no sugar coating it theres always somebody aint gonna make in the bunch. But if you have Japanese and Italian or German bike bmw you know as everybody knows they will pass you by while they sleep its just reality.
When I was young, I could buy a Harley for $100. Right now, I can see over 1,000 Harley's for sale. Many with less than 5000 miles. Many for sale with a asking price over $12K. There are guys out there that bid on 100s of them, offering 1/2 of the asking price. Successfully.
Never pay more than 1/2.
Of course, with guys signing up for 84 months of payments, many are so underwater, they're screwed.
My best bike: 1978 Suzuki GS1000E. 25 years. Fast, smooth, reliable.
Yep. Harley prices are pretty crazy.
I am waiting for the economy to crash and sound money replace the FIAT fraudulent finance system - meanwhile we have to accept the fact that you need more toiletpaper for quality.. As Blackrock is the owner of HD... well, I love the HD bikes and hate the IVA 23% where I live.
What's "IVA"?
@@GlenB tax
Yammies a sport bike guy. So like most riders like that, harleys are looked at theough a performance per dollar lens. For what they cost. Harley's perform pretty badly. Weight definitely affects performance. Idk why most Harley riders dismiss this or think its just about maneuvering in a parking lot. Weight affects performance negatively.. And of coarse, the revmax bikes that remedy alot of the short comings in performance are hated by the Harley usuals.
Harleys perform great! They have tons of torque and easily out-perform most cars on the road and still get great fuel mileage for a big bike. They are not meant to be racing bikes.
@mrpoizun that's not really the point my friend. Every bike just about out performs most cars on the road. When compared to other motorcycles, however, thats usually a different story.
I have only ridden Harley's and both bikes I've ever owned were Harley's. So I understand what you mean. I understand what yammienoob is saying as well. The strange thing to me is when one can't at all relate to the other.
Seems to me that Harley people are like truck people lol. Want something big and tall, heavy so they feel safe and are isolated from the road etc. and sport bike guys are like sports car people. Wanting something light. Responsive, with good power to weight. feeling connected to the road etc. raptors are awesome and sporty as long as they're compared to other trucks. But as soon as they're compared to something like a sports car, you see it's just a big heavy comfy truck that has more power than most.
I just wish Harley ALSO made bikes that appeal to sports car guys.
You say they're not supposed to be race bikes. But neither are any of the current middleweight naked bikes that you can pick up now around 10k. Hell an mto7 is just a standard motorcycle that'd probably beat most of the bikes in Harley's lineup and it's only around 9k to get into. Takes alot to look past that for people on that side of the fence.
Stop making excuses for those 800 lb hippos sport bikes are goated
Hey mate. Yeah, YN, like all responsible media, runs with anecdotes, plays with generalizations, and otherwise does it for the clicks. Overbranding? See KISS. Price? Yeah, and Honda also makes outstanding, overpriced, top-heavy roto-tillers. Airstream trailers are supposed to the finest in the world, 4-6 times the price of modern box trailers. Bought a new 14', and it was a big aluminum steaming pile (EDIT: Airstream did basically remanufacture it, on their nickel, at the Ohio assembly plant service facility, and it's been trouble-free since 15'). But anyways, his line on Motor is the same old, worn-out schtick.
Agreed 👍
Harley Davidson Losing It’s Edge. “It’s” should be “Its”.
Your amazing
You got a point there.
👮 👮 grammar police out on force 🤦🏻
Not making the Bronx was a huge mistake. It would also be nice to make a Pan America with 975 engine. I rode Harley‘s my whole life. They’re beautiful motorcycles but something‘s gotta change or Harley‘s gonna be in trouble. Plus I’ve had nothing but problems buying from a dealership. The markup is over ridiculous in some places even today in a down market.
Yummy noob talks a lot of crap to get you to click on his videos and it seems it’s working.
I would’ve liked to see how the Bronx turned out.
@ when I first saw the Bronx concept I was sold. I just hope they’re not gonna do what I think they’re gonna do and that is create a sportster with a 1250 engine with the Bronx name. I guess we’re gonna have to wait and see. In my humble opinion, Harley should’ve marketed the pan America more. It was a huge selling motorcycle when it came out. They should’ve followed it up with a smaller lighter Pan American with the 975 engine. They should produce a street fighter Bronx and a lower level sportster line for introductory riders. They need to bring back the Fat Bob with a 117 engine. Their 25th anniversary Fat Boy needs to be perfect. They’re touring line needs to be sold at base or fully loaded, but they should sell packages that way it brings the initial cost down and you can add the packages overtime. Since the CEO and the board of directors destroyed the used value market of the Harley. They need to start a guaranteed buyback program, meaning they guarantee after so many years that your trade value will be a certain percentage based on mileage and condition. The final thing that needs to be done the CEO needs to move on and the Board of Directors needs to be shaken up.
Motorcycle fudd for sure bud. Covered head to two in overpriced HD clothing 😂 his right . I still ride a Harley but yami is 💯 correct
Huh?
Buy a new Harley and trade a year from now, be lucky to get 1/2 what you paid on trade.
Not true!!! Traded 4 in last 5 years!!!! Fabulous investment!!!
Wrong. Sold my Harley for $4.2k sold it for $3.5K after 15 years in 5 days. Could gotten more if I was willing to wait. Sold my Honda Shadow after 2 years for 1/2 the price though.
HD has forgotten the customers that helped them become what they are. They no longer support the vets and their is not such thing as an entry level bikes to get new customers. They also have never seemed to be able to operate as well managed business and only survived with government assistance and buyouts. Then their is the betrayal of moving manufacturing to Asia. I would love to support HD as a North American brand and manufacture but I just can't justify paying the price tag for an unreliable bike. I can p[ay 1/4 the price and get a Japanese bike that does everything and more than would an HD could even dream of doing. You choose Japanese because in the motorcycle world they are bulletproof and reliable. You say its about the feeling but is the feeling really worth extra $5000-$10000 that you will never get back. In Canada the cheapest bike you can get is around $20,000 and that is with 30,000-60,000 km on it. You may find something for $10,000 but it will have over 80,000 km on it and you will need to put another $6000+ to rebuild the engine.
I have to disagree.
You don't know what the word "their" means, do you?
@@mrpoizun nah just not paying attention while typing on my phone.
975 cc - a starting bike oer him....common man...dont nake this kind of statement. Young kids die because of this kind of reckless advices.
I don’t expect a “young kid” to get on it. I expect an adult to.
Over rated money pit whored out company,been there done that but ride what you want
First!!
First what?
First comment I’m assuming.
First person to type but say nothing
LMFAO I f the point of your video is why you like the HD YOU MADE YOUR POINT BUT IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GIVE REASON WHY THEY ARE DYING OUT AND SUGGEST WHAT THEY NEED TO STAY IN BUSINESS YOU FAILED WITH THAT SAID I LIKE MY OLD VROD 2014 MUSCLE AND MY 2O02 883. THE QUESTION HD NEED TO ASK IS WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE YOUNG GENERATIONS GET EXCITED ABOUT HARLEY ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE I FOR ONE AMONG OTHER BIKERS ARE SOOOO EXCITED ABOUT EB OR BUELL SUPER CRUISER I WILL KEEP MY OLD HD BUT I WILL SOON GO FOR BUELL I AM ALREADY DESIGNING. "" SUPER CRUISER :"" PATCH FOR MY NEW JACKET ASSUMING THE BUELL IS NOT GONNA FALTER AGAIN.
Say what?? Can't hear you !!!