Hey guys, a couple comments have notified me that the first 2 trainers in eterna forest can be battled individually(as opposed to what I thought had to be a double battle) by talking to one of them at an angle. This means that no risks are necessary there.
Congrats man! This play through felt so skillfull. You studied the AI, you played around your opponent's pokemon and stats, and you didn't 100 all of your pokemon
Love to see some Pokemon Ranger references pop up and the naming scheme is great as a result! Also I loved Murph being a Teddiursa -- such a shame Slowpoke isn't available in this run because that would have been perfect
You're not the only one to run into the thick fat issue. One of the running theories is that if it's possible for a pokemon to have thick fat or another ability, the AI acts like it doesn't know. Then, once the ai figures out it has thick fat, it acts accordingly. Purugly can also have own tempo as an ability. So the AI acts on the assumption that it might have the other ability and when it learns it doesn't, acts accordingly.... we think. You're not the first person to run into that issue. Great video though. Very entertaining. As always.
I'm just curious what makes everyone think the AI supposed to know your pokemon has Thick Fat. I know they read your types but I don't remember even the good AI trainers ever reading your ability unless it's one of those abilities that's announced or if the ability snuffs a move. Gale of Darkness was the only exception where they definitely read your abilities first.
My theory is a stretch, but I think it might have to do with the fact that Pokémon on a type specialists team are more likely to use moves of that type. Probably not true, but it’s an idea
@DisplayThisOkay more often then not its can be seen, as pokemon with abilities like lightning rid and water absorb the ai will avoid even if it would be super effective otherwise
I don't remember whose run it was but it was theorized that the AI essentially acts without any knowledge of the ability your pokemon has if it can have more than one ability. It then uses the information given afterwards and damage stats to re-adjust it's decisions. That might be why Flint's pokemon opted for fire moves against your Purugly since it went without knowing if it had thick fat or own tempo.
The way I think the AI works is that if it "predicts" a swap it is more likely to attack with a move that might affect your Mons (especially with High Jump Kicks heavy recoil if it goes into a Ghost type) and Cynthia uses this to her advantage to get up a free Swords Dance if the AI thinks youll swap or heal. It gets better and better as you progress though the game, as you said, and it really does show
Must be why Garchomp decided to SD in front of a Roserade, that or it didn't see a kill. Doesn't matter though, since I got the opportunity to Stun Spore it.
@@nal4026 Yea it can. If you're at a disadvantage you're likely to swapp (stuff like type disadvantage, it knowing you don't have moves to hit or properly take it out, or you're at low hp and might heal or swap), it then decides you're likely to swap and sets up a swords dance for example (this is predicting a swap..humans do it and it's basic enough it can be coded into an AI).
Regarding Dual Chop's 90 accuracy, Machop can have the ability No Guard, which will make it always hit. The dusk ball would guarantee catching the Machop. Unfortunately, Machop won't always have No Guard, so it isn't a perfect strategy.
@@vibingone101 yeah Guardian Signs was good too but it’s also been a decade since that came out. I want to see some gen 5 and later pokemon in a ranger game!
Whilst I love these videos/challenges, it’d be nice to see another nuzlocke on the channel, it probably wouldn’t be as popular as these because TH-cam is flooded with nuzlockes, but it would be nice to see regardless
Seeing Purugly used is pretty interesting. Most of the time the only thing people know about Purugly is that Mars has it and it’s faster than Latios. Cool run!
Great run! Something is definitely weird with how the AI handles Thick Fat in this game - I've seen someone try to bait a Wood Hammer/EQ from Candice's Abomasnow with a Thick Fat Azumarill and have it just Blizzard on the switch anyway when the other two moves were kills and Blizzard wasn't, so its definitely either not factoring it in or doubling instead of halving. Although in your case I would assume the fighting moves would have still done more damage to you even if the fire move's power was doubled in some of the cases which makes it stranger.
Awesome run!! I was planning on doing it too, but it looks like you beat me to it lol. Guess I'll still try, but I'll add the additional restriction that i can't use any of the pokemon you used. Guess that'll make up for being second. Probably will also allow starly line because i don't think it can be done without them
Damn what a nice run! Meanwhile im still trying to get a good Team up for the Pokemon league, which Im stuck on since a good month or so. Cynthia is my main problem I guess, but only because im just learning about how all of the iv and ev's work. Never cared bout my stats to much but I should've lol
When I was in the forest i figured out that you can skip all the double battles by just slowly walking up to the one to the right and pressing a, then you should be able to avoid the double battle
I could never have the patience to even attempt a run like that 😅 Also, I absolutely love all those dry humor moments, especially “rival battles come first I guess…”
It could be that the Infernape saw a kill with Fire Punch due to it thinking that Thick Fat causes double damage from fire, rather than half. In that case, there was no reason to lower its defenses with Close Combat if Fire Punch was a kill anyway. On the other hand, as someone else noted already, you wouldn't expect trainers to be immediately able to distinguish your ability if your pokemon can have 2 or more abilities.
The ai in the new games is heavily refined. It saw equal damage with both moves because it has iron fist, do it went for fire punch because it knew close combat would lower both defenses
While I didn't recognize Kellyn due to my name in my Shadows of Almia playthrough being my own, I did recognize Keith and Barlow immediately. Pokémon Rangers : Shadows of Almia is the theme of your nicknames. Man, I loved that game.
It’d be really cool, but it would also be nigh impossible to run a PMD game without taking damage. I think I have like 4,000 hours in PMD games, and I just can’t see it happening.
Wow finally someone who does not just go ahead and say REEE THIS GAME IS BAD. Falcon you are one of my favourite poketubers maybe 2 but in the top three.
I’m not sure if anyone knows, but if you can change the date, then restart the switch. You won’t get locked out! That was the only way I could get driftloon lol.
I always do a Normal Only run in each game after it's released and Purugly probably put in the most work out of any I've used because it hits hard and fast. Only things that have outperformed it in my eyes so far is later gen Kangaskhan (OP Mega form), Obstagoon (Obstruct + massive move pool + Guts) and recently, both forms of Ursaluna (Dear god, they hit like trains) Edit: don't really count the Gen 1 normal titans or Gen 2 Snorlax because they are too busted for their Gens.
the thick fat theory is correct so far as I know, but I did want to add that it likely chose fire punch randomly. Typically if the AI sees a kill with two options, it will just coin flip between those two options because it doesn’t matter, they still kill you. With double power in the calcs it’s possible they saw a fire punch KO AND a close combat KO, hence just randomly choosing fire punch.
man tbh with this great quality of videos I wouldn't have be surprised if you were even at like 500k subs ! Edit : You have the views dude just ask people to subscribe at the start more!
Dope run my guy! Ngl, I would've also done the rare candy thing :') just saves mindless grinding and isn't rlly important to the run. Daycare is essentially the same thing, except that you just gotta bike up and down for a couple of hours which is anything but fun
The AI for high level trainers doesn’t actually know what ability any given Pokèmon has until it is revealed in a text box as a result of the ability coming into play. For example, since Bronzong has both Levitate and Heatproof any high level trainer would have to use either a ground type move to reveal levitate when the game says the ability allows Bronzong to be immune to ground moves. This is why the Lopunny and Infernape decided to use Fire moves even though Purugly had Thick Fat.
Thats true, but the weird unexplained part is that lopunny and infernape still both had super effective moves and didn't use them against purugly(infernape's Close Combat was even a guaranteed KO on Purugly)
This was the calc against purugly(IVs are 12 HP and 13 Def): 60 Atk Infernape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Purugly: 216-254 (109.6 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@@flyingfalcons7 it also might be that it is part of the AI to make sure that they figure out what the ability is, all I know is that the AI doesn’t know abilities and may try to test said ability
I know right? Poor Bibarrels are celebrating their honey moon and they still got summoned to be his HM slave. FlyingFalcons was riding the Bibarel while it was riding its partner
My theory for that loppunny at 39:02 was expecting you to switch into a ghost type expecting a fighting type move. "That just a theory though a game theory"
I was thinking "Oh, Flint's Drifblim has aftermath, it's impossible for him to win." Then he gets past it with no problems. Apparently, he had aftermath originally, but for BDSP, it changed to Unburden.
Man idk how you played through this without speedup functions available in emulators. I cannot imagine doing this without speedup and not wanting to quit.
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Hey guys, a couple comments have notified me that the first 2 trainers in eterna forest can be battled individually(as opposed to what I thought had to be a double battle) by talking to one of them at an angle. This means that no risks are necessary there.
It’s sad when you don’t upload for a while
You can also just not fight them
Did you reference Pokémon ranger: Shadows of Almia??? That was my fav game growing up thank you for that
@@davidperez3645 I Played It too
Jesus christ I had to get babied through Cynthia and you already finished a no damage run
“Theres no character in the franchise that embodies the idea of tired more than Cyrus” Larry: Allow me to introduce myself
I spoke a little too soon 😔
Didnt he not exist back then?
@@marekzielinski9675the video is from January 2022, SV came out in November 2022
Congrats man! This play through felt so skillfull. You studied the AI, you played around your opponent's pokemon and stats, and you didn't 100 all of your pokemon
Love to see some Pokemon Ranger references pop up and the naming scheme is great as a result! Also I loved Murph being a Teddiursa -- such a shame Slowpoke isn't available in this run because that would have been perfect
Man I didn't even notice the names
So many Almia references!
You're not the only one to run into the thick fat issue. One of the running theories is that if it's possible for a pokemon to have thick fat or another ability, the AI acts like it doesn't know. Then, once the ai figures out it has thick fat, it acts accordingly. Purugly can also have own tempo as an ability. So the AI acts on the assumption that it might have the other ability and when it learns it doesn't, acts accordingly.... we think. You're not the first person to run into that issue. Great video though. Very entertaining. As always.
I'm just curious what makes everyone think the AI supposed to know your pokemon has Thick Fat. I know they read your types but I don't remember even the good AI trainers ever reading your ability unless it's one of those abilities that's announced or if the ability snuffs a move. Gale of Darkness was the only exception where they definitely read your abilities first.
DisplayThisOkay, your comment has been repeated 18 times so far. TH-cam certainly did display it.
My theory is a stretch, but I think it might have to do with the fact that Pokémon on a type specialists team are more likely to use moves of that type. Probably not true, but it’s an idea
@DisplayThisOkay more often then not its can be seen, as pokemon with abilities like lightning rid and water absorb the ai will avoid even if it would be super effective otherwise
It's a good day when flyingfalcons7 uploads
+1
Yup
Who?
I agree
Yea but are you a bot?
I don't remember whose run it was but it was theorized that the AI essentially acts without any knowledge of the ability your pokemon has if it can have more than one ability. It then uses the information given afterwards and damage stats to re-adjust it's decisions. That might be why Flint's pokemon opted for fire moves against your Purugly since it went without knowing if it had thick fat or own tempo.
The way I think the AI works is that if it "predicts" a swap it is more likely to attack with a move that might affect your Mons (especially with High Jump Kicks heavy recoil if it goes into a Ghost type) and Cynthia uses this to her advantage to get up a free Swords Dance if the AI thinks youll swap or heal. It gets better and better as you progress though the game, as you said, and it really does show
AI can't predict a swap
Also, if they have the AI playing fair, it wouldn't know that Purugly has Thick Fat rather than Own Tempo.
Must be why Garchomp decided to SD in front of a Roserade, that or it didn't see a kill. Doesn't matter though, since I got the opportunity to Stun Spore it.
@@nal4026 Yea it can. If you're at a disadvantage you're likely to swapp (stuff like type disadvantage, it knowing you don't have moves to hit or properly take it out, or you're at low hp and might heal or swap), it then decides you're likely to swap and sets up a swords dance for example (this is predicting a swap..humans do it and it's basic enough it can be coded into an AI).
YES. Whenever nuzlokers talk about sturdy, I always think razorfang fling. It’s a shame it didn’t work out, but I love the thought
I don't understand but very much appreciate content creators spending 10 hrs leveling zubat for my entertainment
Purugly is my favourite pokemon by far, so it was a joy to see Vien and have her be integral to the run!
This was super interesting to watch! Probably had you use a lot of team members you might never consider. I love using the unevolved Haunter!
This was amazing run! You are seriously underrated and really deserve more subscribers for the work you are putting out, keep up the increase work!!
Regarding Dual Chop's 90 accuracy, Machop can have the ability No Guard, which will make it always hit. The dusk ball would guarantee catching the Machop. Unfortunately, Machop won't always have No Guard, so it isn't a perfect strategy.
Whoops good catch, still would need to be leveled up to 32 though
the king's rock situation hurt me from all the way through the screen but you done did it anyway!!! it almost didnt hurt at all afterwards!
Love these videos, would love to see content like this for gen 4 or 5 as well. Some of my favorite gens
Shadows of Almia was a great game, I hope they make another ranger style game eventually
Guardians exist
@@vibingone101 yeah Guardian Signs was good too but it’s also been a decade since that came out. I want to see some gen 5 and later pokemon in a ranger game!
Great video. Loved to see how you played around all of the AI, even realising the thick fat glitch so quickly.
Hey, I don't mind the rare candy thing, really good video, it was super interesting to watch you play thru the game without taking damage! :D
I love these so much, and every time you upload you make my day better, thanks man! And keep up the good work!
That Cyrus/aDrive bit had me ROLLIN’ 😂 keep up the amazing content bro.
Whilst I love these videos/challenges, it’d be nice to see another nuzlocke on the channel, it probably wouldn’t be as popular as these because TH-cam is flooded with nuzlockes, but it would be nice to see regardless
Next challenge video is a nuzlocke for sure, I just wanted to get this video out before legends of Arceus was released
Seeing Purugly used is pretty interesting. Most of the time the only thing people know about Purugly is that Mars has it and it’s faster than Latios. Cool run!
Great run! Something is definitely weird with how the AI handles Thick Fat in this game - I've seen someone try to bait a Wood Hammer/EQ from Candice's Abomasnow with a Thick Fat Azumarill and have it just Blizzard on the switch anyway when the other two moves were kills and Blizzard wasn't, so its definitely either not factoring it in or doubling instead of halving. Although in your case I would assume the fighting moves would have still done more damage to you even if the fire move's power was doubled in some of the cases which makes it stranger.
Was that PCal's Nuzlock where he lost because of the AI being dumb and OHKOing crobat?
@@swampy725 Yep
It’s because the AI is factoring in that Azumarill gets access to Sap Sipper.
And even with thick fat Blizzard is guaranteed damage where Sap Sipper would block Wood Hammer.
Does that mean the AI accounts for hidden abilities?
I've just started this video, but the Pokemon Ranger references immediately made me happy.
Awesome run!! I was planning on doing it too, but it looks like you beat me to it lol. Guess I'll still try, but I'll add the additional restriction that i can't use any of the pokemon you used. Guess that'll make up for being second. Probably will also allow starly line because i don't think it can be done without them
Fortunately there are so many other pokemon underground, I hope it goes well!
@@flyingfalcons7 thanks!! Congrats on doing this! This was super cool to watch!
Damn what a nice run! Meanwhile im still trying to get a good Team up for the Pokemon league, which Im stuck on since a good month or so. Cynthia is my main problem I guess, but only because im just learning about how all of the iv and ev's work. Never cared bout my stats to much but I should've lol
Very impressive! I wish the algorithm would favor more videos like this. Keep up the good content Falcon!
When I was in the forest i figured out that you can skip all the double battles by just slowly walking up to the one to the right and pressing a, then you should be able to avoid the double battle
Oh are you able to talk to her diagonally? I should have tried that lol, ty for telling me
was this a good vid hell yeah you did good like always man!
Only after seeing Puel, I was confirmed bout the Shadows Of Almia reference, such a great game it was, Good to see the ranger series getting love!!
Haha, I had a feeling that your naming convention would be pokemon ranger!!!!! I knew for sure with barlow.
Clicked on this as soon as I saw it, amazing video. Good luck on 10k mate, you deserve it
I could never have the patience to even attempt a run like that 😅
Also, I absolutely love all those dry humor moments, especially “rival battles come first I guess…”
37:15 "I also move the Choice Specs from Golduck to Froslass" *Gives them to Haunter*
Mmk
when I watch people like you play pokemon, it makes me feel like one of the little kid trainers you bump into on route 2
for the algorithim, awesome run! honestly never thought something like this was possible
Thank you for making this video and taking your time with it!
ive gotten hooked on watching all of these videos the last couple of days. Good job man :D
It could be that the Infernape saw a kill with Fire Punch due to it thinking that Thick Fat causes double damage from fire, rather than half. In that case, there was no reason to lower its defenses with Close Combat if Fire Punch was a kill anyway. On the other hand, as someone else noted already, you wouldn't expect trainers to be immediately able to distinguish your ability if your pokemon can have 2 or more abilities.
The ai in the new games is heavily refined. It saw equal damage with both moves because it has iron fist, do it went for fire punch because it knew close combat would lower both defenses
Great run. It's fun to see no damage runs on more modern games
You are a LEGEND!!!! When Old content re-upload.
not for a while, but probably will be through yt shorts since they're all 30 seconds or less
My new favorite pokemon challenge channel by far, why dont you have like 100k subs yet?!??!
This was the first video I watched that he made, and it was amazing!
Great job!
comment for the algorithm and also because you are cool and the amount of effort you put into your runs scare me
Love the pace of the videos and the explanations.
While I didn't recognize Kellyn due to my name in my Shadows of Almia playthrough being my own, I did recognize Keith and Barlow immediately. Pokémon Rangers : Shadows of Almia is the theme of your nicknames.
Man, I loved that game.
i love finding channels with videos like this
The aDrive joke was hilarious. I hit the like button immediately
Fantastic video, this was great! Kudos to all the effort put into this.
HE BACK BOI
I really enjoy these damageless runs videos
Would like to see one in a side series game, like PMD or the game cube games in the future
It’d be really cool, but it would also be nigh impossible to run a PMD game without taking damage. I think I have like 4,000 hours in PMD games, and I just can’t see it happening.
This was such a cool video, so glad it was on my recommended viewing list!
15:00 Larry now should take that title
Welcome back King
19:30 to 19:35 hats off to you, that is probably the best use of aDrive quotes in the entire youtube history
Its the first time I have seen your channel and this video pleasently surprised me! Subscribed :)
Love how he choices the one starter that doesn't have an immunity at last evolution
You dont need immunities if you move first and ohko the oposing pokemon 😏
Nah Infernape is the basic bitch choice, chads only pick Torterra (the slowest)
This man's out here playing 4D chess
Wow finally someone who does not just go ahead and say REEE THIS GAME IS BAD. Falcon you are one of my favourite poketubers maybe 2 but in the top three.
This game is in fact bad but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it
Congrats on the run!
A fellow fan of Almia I see
Amazing video as always!! Love your content!!
I’m not sure if anyone knows, but if you can change the date, then restart the switch. You won’t get locked out! That was the only way I could get driftloon lol.
Loving the shadows of almia nicknames, one of the best pokemon games
Man I love videos like these. I'm subbed to as many guys who do this type of content I know. Can't wait for the next one 😁
You used Purugly?! Subscribed. Nobody gives my favorite cat the time of day, but you brought one to the Hall of Fame. Bless you, sir.
I always do a Normal Only run in each game after it's released and Purugly probably put in the most work out of any I've used because it hits hard and fast. Only things that have outperformed it in my eyes so far is later gen Kangaskhan (OP Mega form), Obstagoon (Obstruct + massive move pool + Guts) and recently, both forms of Ursaluna (Dear god, they hit like trains)
Edit: don't really count the Gen 1 normal titans or Gen 2 Snorlax because they are too busted for their Gens.
Amazing the effort you put in is insane
the thick fat theory is correct so far as I know, but I did want to add that it likely chose fire punch randomly. Typically if the AI sees a kill with two options, it will just coin flip between those two options because it doesn’t matter, they still kill you. With double power in the calcs it’s possible they saw a fire punch KO AND a close combat KO, hence just randomly choosing fire punch.
Reference is Pokemon Ranger Shadows of Almia, got it from the trainer names alone
I noticed the theme right away. They were all kids I went to high school with
man tbh with this great quality of videos I wouldn't have be surprised if you were even at like 500k subs !
Edit : You have the views dude just ask people to subscribe at the start more!
The moment I heard Kincaid I was like that has to be ranger 🥰 cool video ☺️
Dope run my guy! Ngl, I would've also done the rare candy thing :') just saves mindless grinding and isn't rlly important to the run. Daycare is essentially the same thing, except that you just gotta bike up and down for a couple of hours which is anything but fun
The mandatory double battle 11:22 in the forest can be cheesed by talking to the girl around the ledge
"I nickname it *Kinkaid*"
Oooohhh. Is it a Pokemon Rangers Reference?
Ah, a fellow Pokmeon Ranger fan-- you are a person of culture!
The AI for high level trainers doesn’t actually know what ability any given Pokèmon has until it is revealed in a text box as a result of the ability coming into play. For example, since Bronzong has both Levitate and Heatproof any high level trainer would have to use either a ground type move to reveal levitate when the game says the ability allows Bronzong to be immune to ground moves. This is why the Lopunny and Infernape decided to use Fire moves even though Purugly had Thick Fat.
Thats true, but the weird unexplained part is that lopunny and infernape still both had super effective moves and didn't use them against purugly(infernape's Close Combat was even a guaranteed KO on Purugly)
@@flyingfalcons7 probably because they didn’t kill
This was the calc against purugly(IVs are 12 HP and 13 Def): 60 Atk Infernape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Purugly: 216-254 (109.6 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@@flyingfalcons7 it also might be that it is part of the AI to make sure that they figure out what the ability is, all I know is that the AI doesn’t know abilities and may try to test said ability
@@jaredtoyer7811 oh that's a good theory
brilliant diamond and shining pearl look like fun games, I probably would have bought one if the art direction wasn't a massive step back.
There are no words for how much I love this channel
Absolutely nuts. Great job my guy
34:30 bro you can't just walk in on those bibarels
I know right? Poor Bibarrels are celebrating their honey moon and they still got summoned to be his HM slave.
FlyingFalcons was riding the Bibarel while it was riding its partner
Its so easy to beat without taking damage. All you gotta do is spam some buttons float over some trees and walk through a wall with a fishing rod
"That entire process took 10 hours"
I thought that was a joke! Jesus man, props
This was a great video! Love the idea and all the work you put in!
Its actually kinda easy if you just let your Pokemon take the damage for you.
My theory for that loppunny at 39:02 was expecting you to switch into a ghost type expecting a fighting type move. "That just a theory though a game theory"
“The mine badge is... mine” had me cackling
I loved all the Pokémon Ranger references!!
Underrated channel
8:25 jesus thats like spelling tony as toughknee...
Toughknee Hauck Pro Skater 2
@@flyingfalcons7 toaghneigh haughck prough skeighter tweu
I was thinking "Oh, Flint's Drifblim has aftermath, it's impossible for him to win."
Then he gets past it with no problems.
Apparently, he had aftermath originally, but for BDSP, it changed to Unburden.
Aftermath only works for contact moves and he has two Shadow Ball slinging ghost types. He had no issues even if they didn't make the change.
The Cyrus smile bit was hilarious
you are so underrated, loving the videos!
Yo this man is really good great video I surprised he onLy has 10000 subs
Smallant would be proud
Really nice video! Keep up the good work! I just subscribed as well 😁😁
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Man idk how you played through this without speedup functions available in emulators. I cannot imagine doing this without speedup and not wanting to quit.
Is the naming theme the pokemon ranger game? Too underrated game IMO..
Yup!
Love the aDrive edit lol