i did acrylic painting at college in london (canvas/board painting, not models obviously), we used 7 tubes of paint. Yellow, Cyan, Magenta, Red, Navy, Lemon, White. That was it, 7 tubes, 6 colours + white, that was all we were allowed to use for our entire life in college painting every day. I think the base colours for an army you are painting are very helpful, but you definitely dont need every last colour youre gonna use. The reason our college limited us like that is because having more colours of paint doesnt make you a better painter, having less colours of paint makes you a better painter. you are forced to mix, to understand colour blending, to understand relative colour. If you want to paint green grass and you have a tube of grass green you just put that on the canvas and there it is. Ok, but was that really the shade of the grass? was that exactly the colour you wanted it to be? not having the tube of green forces you to ask what exact colour of green do i want? and what mix of hues is that exactly? the less products you have the better you become as you are forced to make it work the hard way and really question what colour you want to apply.
Same for me in the US for my art program. Acrylic and Oil painting classes both. If I had known I would wind up painting miniatures and stuff I enjoy I would have paid attention more in class and not forgotten most of the education. :p
The way I personally operate. I started out (again) by trying out a couple of constrast paints. Loved it and thus bought the entire line of paints. Used them for a few months and realized I wanted some acrylics. Bought a pack of 50 or so colors from army painter (80 or so €) as well as a wet pallette from red grass. Used them for a few months and realized i wanted to learn how to use an airbrush. So i bought the cheapest one i could find as well as a bunch (15 or so) of liquitex inks (I hated mixing paints in the cup, hence the liquitex). The liquitex really helped and got me going with the airbrush. At this point i have a very solid Base of paints and only buy paints that look INTERESTING. for example arter watching trovarions necron video I instantly ordered myself a bottle of vallejo aluminium and the glowy orange vallejo paint. Because they looked cool and I want to try them out. This way I am constantly upgrading and growing my collection. Works awesome so far. Have an entire bookcase of mostly painted miniatures from the last 12-18 months or however long ago i actually started. Just bought my first expensive brushes as well. A pack of 3 raphael 8404 brushes I'm looking very much forward to trying out since i only used cheap nylon brushes so far. And a paintshaker... my arm is not what it used to be I'm afraid. After using my cheap airbrush for 6 or so months i felt ready for a better one. So I ordered an Iwata neo with an extra needle and it is a fantastic upgrade so far.
Your attitude is EXACTLY what I hope to attain on so many things in life, lol. I tend to think I need one, or even two, of every single thing I MIGHT need for any project or hobby. Your philosophy is perfect. I'm going to keep it mind before I go nuts thinking I have to buy a million more bottles before I get started...😄👍👍
@@Karina-Loves-Andreas hahaha, thank you, and yes. I am swedish. I think this might be the first time someone has ever used the words "lagom" OR "sane" about me as well. :D
I love this kind of content. Two guys in the hobby space I respect a lot and just sitting down and hashing out their thoughts on one specific topic? Love it
Holy cow....Vince Ventura's paint collection....I love picking up gear for every hobby (it's kind ridiculous, ex., I go fishing 2-3 times a year, but have multiple poles, boxes of lures, nets, it's kookoo). Vince's collection would absolutely overwhelm me, possibly "freeze" me with all these choices....I'd never find what I was looking for....🤣🤣🤣
Great video! For my family, we started with citadel since it's pre-mixed colors helped us quickly put paint on the model. Then as your described, we realized there were holes in our paint line. My wife is excellent at mixing paints so when we discovered the Kimera line, we found everything we needed. Kimera for the unique colors, citidael for the basic colors (leather, metal etc) and craft paints for our scenery. We actively try to not accumulate more paint than we can use so we don't waste anything.
Well, that was fun! Let us know what Painting Myths you want us to look at in one of the next videos! Episode 2 is already filmed and will be out on Vince's channel th-cam.com/users/PhatWOP001 next week!
Kujo gave me some very good advice on limited palettes (and limited brushes, too, lol), and helped me get off my butt and start painting. Everyone has their own style, but one thing from his videos that has helped me is how he uses the same palette, main colors, and lightens or darkens the same paint, or adds a different color into the paint he started with, which helps "tie in" the overall look. Rather than continuously pulling a new bottle off the shelf. I'm not sure I'm expressing the concept very well, but he does it all the time, and it just pulls the composition together so nicely.
love the editing style trov! really smart to use the podcast footage mixed with scripted parts or more in depth bits in editing. wish more channels did this style.
Personally i like the editing. Gives you ways to highlight certain points while cutting unnecessary blabla to keep it short. Also more time for inserting memes. I sometimes even watch vids on 1.25 speed to watch it all in even less time so posting vids uncut would make me watch them later because I wouldn't watch them in between things and instead on evenings only. 20 mins is my limit for watching stuff in a break. On topic: As a beginner I really struggled to understand that it wasn't the colour itself making the mini look chalky (never gets old) but how I handled it. I never would have found a good colour hadn't I stopped painting with too much water, that made the pigments pool at the sides, giving it an uneven finish. So for beginners I'd say make good use of the colours you have at first or it gets frustrating fast. i am still fascinated by the difference consistency makes when applying paint. Keep it up!
Great video, really enjoyed the knowledge and insight from 2 master painters. Invaluable for someone starting and wanting to advance in painting. The mention of being a chef and not a baker, really was an eye opener. Personally, being newer to the hobby, when I started it felt more of trying to be a baker, getting the color and look to match a tutorial or someone else's model. As I learn more it feels more about finding a style and method of painting to achieve my wanted look, aka chef. Thanks and look forward to the next vid.
11:45 the long awaited answer to "should I try every brand!?" I've long since learned to ignore the FOMO and I'm enjoying playing and learning the colours I have.
Excellent words. I feel like to add this, a lot of paint feels like a necessity especially when you are a beginner or in the first years. I still like my range to be around 100 colors because (as stated in the video) when you paint armies is a pain to maintain color coherence having to mix the same color each time
Loved the video, can never have enough of you guys in the background while I find new excuses to not paint myself. Suggestion for a new segment: There doesn't exist a more perfect shiny sphere in the world than Vince's forehead - truth or myth?
This was an incredible video! Great start to a great series. I love hearing people talk about subjects they love, especially when they're experts in that subject.
For a first video in a new series I think y'all did a fantastic job. I felt like the length and pacing were pretty much perfect-- long enough to give each bullet point it's due and no longer. Great work
You _cannot_ get every color from yellow, blue, red, black, and white. That will give you a very narrow color gamut (exactly what gamut will depend on the exact pigments you choose). Similarly, CMYK is also a narrow gamut, with significant deficits in saturated reds (for example). None of which is to say that you need everything, but there is definitely space between having five colors and having everything in a whole company's (or multiple companies') line(s). As it happens, I like occasionally working with a very limited palette (dioxazine purple, burnt sienna, and zinc white is plenty to do interesting work with, for instance). And working in that kind of constricted space is really useful for understanding what is actually happening with those pigments. Furthermore, the restriction acts as a spur to creativity. I recommend the experience to any serious painter. But I also like working with premixes of a variety of colors for simplicity and reproducibility. And I like having a wide variety of pigments, because mixing cadmium red and cobalt blue will give a different result than mixing quinacridone magenta and phthalo blue (red). And dioxazine purple will give yet another very different result. Oh, and everybody buys pigment from the same (very limited) list of pigment manufacturers. The differences between good (generally more expensive) and bad (cheap/student grade/craft) paints are much more about how much medium and pigment are in the bottle/tube (relative to filler and whatever thinner the company is using) than in that mythical finely ground pigment. NB: For painting rust, iron oxide browns and yellows (siennas, ochres, and umbers), being essentially rust already, work great. And that's true whether you use oils, inks (or "inks"), acrylics, casseins, dry pigments, or whatever.
Brilliant video, some great content right there. I nice mix of critique and positive comments around the subject. Looking forward to seeing what other myths you guys tackle
Awesome format. It's nice to have the explanations intermixed with the different topic discussions. Also, the background music was super helpful in knowing which role you were playing without having to look at the screen.
I have 20 colors including thinning media and primer. If you want consitancy on an army, its better not mixing. Mixing is a viable option when batch painting or making a centerpiece
@@trovarion Its really rare that actual painters and not content creators/videographers have presence in the internet, we really need more of it in community, You people are best on market right now
I love the video, I did not skip a second of it, so much value! Please do continue the series, you both are experts in this niche, I would suggest next topic like: Is NMM truly superior to TMM? (even though I already know what Vince thinks about this 😃 )
If I could go back and make a recommendation on purchasing paints to myself when I was first starting out, it would be this: buy the primary and secondary colors, black, white, then a few additional more specific paints once I decided on a color scheme for my army. From there just buying colors that are convenient so that I don't have to mix them every time. You definitely don't need a ton of paints. It does help though to try out a few different ranges, which I've definitely done. That way, I find specific colors in those ranges that I like. I have yet to try a single paint range (I've tried GW, reaper, pro acryl, Vallejo game and model color, scalecolor) that I dislike. If asked, I could and would recommend any of them.
9:50 with whites, I've recently come to appreciate the need for two whites. You might need one with good coverage, this will likely use a titanium pigment; you'll also need a softer, more translucent white for mixing and glazing, which would probably use zinc as a pigment. When people talk about their difficulties with white and lighter colours, such as their tendency to go chalky, or the way they leave harsh lines that are difficult to blend out, it's most likely because their paint is using titanium to lighten the tint.
in addition, cheaper white paint might involve actual chalk or other extra fillers. Finding a matte zinc white does prove to be quite difficult. Golden matte being OOP didn't help.
One thing I discovered recently, while working on something that's going to be printed, CYMK color reference can be used to produce mixes very close to what you get on screen. You use the cyan, magenta, yellow and black values to know how many parts of what to add, then you use the saturation value of the color to add the required number of white parts. I recently mixed some verdigris, this method made it super fast to achieve a good result. There's actually a lot of red in this color, I wouldn't have guessed! (3 parts cyan / 1 part magenta /2 parts yellow, + 12 parts white for a 33% saturation, if anyone is curious). So take photos or pictures of colors you like, convert them to CYMK and get those juicy references to start making the color you want.
Oooh I'm looking forward to watching more episodes 👏 About paints, unfortunately most of us learn the hobby with the marketing of GW instead of colors theory. I am re-learning the art of painting after years of GW "methodology", it's an eye opener. Now I am painting with the CMY paints from Kimera and it's a new world of freedom!
Ah yes, editing...the great time-sink! I have fond memories of some long editing sessions with my son - finding just the right lighting, music, and transitions - usually peppered with Jimmy Stewart impersonations and much humor. That gives me an idea...
@@chuck-n-debtaylor7553 haha, just like that, yeah. It's fun in itself, but it also takes away time from painting - which sucks a bit. But what can you do.
Awesome video. I definitely had a phase where I was buying paints before I figured out how to use the last ones I bought, but I have recently curtailed my impulses haha. One quick topic I'm curious about is whether metallic paints actually damage brushes, or if that idea is overblown. I don't really like having to keep brushes just for TMM paints.
Haha! I learnt 95% of my so called advanced techniques from Vince's videos, and just had to buy the same paints he was using! I am a paintoholic! Wish I was as good as him!!
I believe I am in the middle of my journey as I continue to buy paints to try them out. Some I sell off, some I keep. Recently I've been playing around with oils and heavy body acrylics. After years of painting I am just now starting to mix my own colors and it really has changed the way I paint for the better. Hopefully one day I can find my grove and stick to just a handful of paints.
I think it's wonderful to realise where you are at. that means you see the way behind you and you have a vague understanding of what is in front of you. :) I am sure you will find your groove eventually :)
Omg...that Richard Grey? model Vince mentioned nearly gave me a stroke. Like a gosh darn piece of jewelry...I want to wear that thing around my neck everywhere. That is RIDICULOUSLY, INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL. Holy Kamole!!! I think Vince & Trovarian should paint something like for the significant ladies (or just significant others, doesn't matter) for Valentine's Day. Golly that's gorgeous!! Makes THIS lady SWOON, for sure!!!🤣💖🤣 So--you guys are saying I can paint THAT with a limited palette, right???🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Great video. Chefs, not bakers. Very insightful. Oh, and it may be a misprint but the delivery note says there’s 12kg of paint waiting for me back home...
I do have this problem. my two favorite painters, Angel Giraldez and Sorastro have several go to paints(Dark Prussian Blue, Dark Sea Blue and such paints.) and i would buy them up and then just, I dont want to say they wouldnt work, but they just dont work for me. And i still buy paints i see of them that i like the color i have started to learn a bit more of how i paint
Loved it. Would love to see you debunking the "Two thin coats / shade with wash / highlith" myth as the only way to paint. Other easy subjects : "10/0 brushes are required to paint eyes", wetpalette, GW is the best miniature range (sensitive topic).
Lol to see a myth debunked . Pigment . Is it better for a paint that has more pigment in it ? Coverage of the paint . What paint brand is better . There a difference is liquid or dry pigment . Myth : contrast paints are just inks with additives and a very high price tag. Myth: companies are gouging thier customers over the fact they know nothing about paints e.g.. you can just use inks or pigment and make your own paints adding mediums that results in cheaper paint .
All of them. Sold 12 paints of my 150ish collection some weeks ago, they were not opened and I thought I´d never use em. A few days ago I needed 3 of them, and had to buy them again yesterday..... Give it a few more weeks or months, and I have all 12 again :D
Great idea. Very interesting topic. Please continue! Feedback on the form: less cuts please. I feel like the analogy chef/baker is interesting. there may be a myth to bust here. Can we not achieve great looking models with a methodical approach and by limiting the number of variables (paints, brushes, mediums, models) and focusing on applying techniques in defined sequences? At the end of the day, isn’t that what a pastry chef does to produce delicious good looking cakes? Is the creativity necessarily or mostly in/during the act of painting the model?
I think the biggest thing having lots of colors does for me is provide color inspiration. I know I can achieve any color by mixing…but I don’t know if I would think to use, or be inspired to use, specific colors if I hadn’t seen them in my collection first.
Great video! But the main question is still unanswered: what type of varnish creates this fantastic shine on Vince´s forehead. Outstanding result. Sure, the excellent base model makes it easy, but still... ;)
Most of what that has been covered excluded one most important issue of paints . Consistancy of the product from the name manufacturer . Having a reliable color is probably pretty important . Probably why most artists rely on a certain paint same as why everyone has a go to paint brush that doesn't split .
Funny thing to note, if you shift over to magenta, cyan and the more gold yellow, you get better mixing (on the triangle shift it one spot over on the color wheel). It's the same reason why your printer uses cmyk ink and not bryb ink.
maaaaaaaaaaaate :) of course you can...it's the most satisfying hobby in the world just to paint and have fun with the minis, like create cool scenery around it and dioramas...or just paint them up pretty! go and try it :)
Can you? Nay, you MUST, especially if you don't play! Like me, but more from lack of opportunities. It's fun getting your minis on the table, but you can paint single models for D&D, or just for your own enjoyment.
i dont play tabletop games, but i've been printing minis nonstop eversince i got my resin printer just because they are so cool to look at, still waiting for my first batch of paints to come so i can practice painting
I don’t play. Love painting minis. I’m painting some Stormcast Eternals right now. Purely because I love the sculpts. Can’t imagine a scenario where they will ever make it to a table. Don’t care. Doesn’t detract from my enjoyment. I just want to feel satisfied with the finished piece/s.
It's not so much that anyone thinks one needs a lot of paints ... we just WANT lots of paints. I have to slap myself from buying new paints when I'm near the Vallejo rack!
Pretty cool, definitely would like to see more. But to be honest if someone already settled with an idea of him in need of "just some more" - you will have not much luck to turn him of that.
i did acrylic painting at college in london (canvas/board painting, not models obviously), we used 7 tubes of paint. Yellow, Cyan, Magenta, Red, Navy, Lemon, White. That was it, 7 tubes, 6 colours + white, that was all we were allowed to use for our entire life in college painting every day. I think the base colours for an army you are painting are very helpful, but you definitely dont need every last colour youre gonna use.
The reason our college limited us like that is because having more colours of paint doesnt make you a better painter, having less colours of paint makes you a better painter. you are forced to mix, to understand colour blending, to understand relative colour. If you want to paint green grass and you have a tube of grass green you just put that on the canvas and there it is. Ok, but was that really the shade of the grass? was that exactly the colour you wanted it to be? not having the tube of green forces you to ask what exact colour of green do i want? and what mix of hues is that exactly? the less products you have the better you become as you are forced to make it work the hard way and really question what colour you want to apply.
I had been forcing myself to work with Kimera for painting lately lol, only with other brands of paint nearby for "colour matching".
Same for me in the US for my art program. Acrylic and Oil painting classes both. If I had known I would wind up painting miniatures and stuff I enjoy I would have paid attention more in class and not forgotten most of the education. :p
I'd love to see you both tackle the same miniature with an agreed rough colour scheme and then compare the results. That'd be fascinating.
Cool idea!
That was a really interesting mashup. Nice one!
Kujo stop sitting on TH-cam and make your own amazing videos :)
xD
@@QUIRISS But I'm lazy! :(
@@KujoPainting At least let Vince interview you
Yes kujo interviewed by Vince. That would be an insightful video
The way I personally operate.
I started out (again) by trying out a couple of constrast paints.
Loved it and thus bought the entire line of paints.
Used them for a few months and realized I wanted some acrylics.
Bought a pack of 50 or so colors from army painter (80 or so €) as well as a wet pallette from red grass.
Used them for a few months and realized i wanted to learn how to use an airbrush.
So i bought the cheapest one i could find as well as a bunch (15 or so) of liquitex inks (I hated mixing paints in the cup, hence the liquitex).
The liquitex really helped and got me going with the airbrush.
At this point i have a very solid Base of paints and only buy paints that look INTERESTING.
for example arter watching trovarions necron video I instantly ordered myself a bottle of vallejo aluminium and the glowy orange vallejo paint.
Because they looked cool and I want to try them out.
This way I am constantly upgrading and growing my collection.
Works awesome so far.
Have an entire bookcase of mostly painted miniatures from the last 12-18 months or however long ago i actually started.
Just bought my first expensive brushes as well.
A pack of 3 raphael 8404 brushes I'm looking very much forward to trying out since i only used cheap nylon brushes so far.
And a paintshaker... my arm is not what it used to be I'm afraid.
After using my cheap airbrush for 6 or so months i felt ready for a better one.
So I ordered an Iwata neo with an extra needle and it is a fantastic upgrade so far.
Your attitude is EXACTLY what I hope to attain on so many things in life, lol. I tend to think I need one, or even two, of every single thing I MIGHT need for any project or hobby. Your philosophy is perfect. I'm going to keep it mind before I go nuts thinking I have to buy a million more bottles before I get started...😄👍👍
Hey, Mikael...are you Swedish? Reading your comment, "Lagom" comes to mind, lol. And "sanity"🤣👍👍
@@Karina-Loves-Andreas hahaha, thank you, and yes.
I am swedish.
I think this might be the first time someone has ever used the words "lagom" OR "sane" about me as well. :D
Great editing Christoph! :D
Thanks! I tried! xD
@@trovarion I like the direction you had the last few months! Looking forward to more of this development :)
@@SquidmarMiniatures We're trading editing duties back and forth over episodes, so don't worry, I'll bring the average down with the next episode. ;)
@@VinceVenturella Don't forget to really crank up the obnoxious factor with a clickbaity thumbnail too!
I love this kind of content. Two guys in the hobby space I respect a lot and just sitting down and hashing out their thoughts on one specific topic? Love it
Holy cow....Vince Ventura's paint collection....I love picking up gear for every hobby (it's kind ridiculous, ex., I go fishing 2-3 times a year, but have multiple poles, boxes of lures, nets, it's kookoo). Vince's collection would absolutely overwhelm me, possibly "freeze" me with all these choices....I'd never find what I was looking for....🤣🤣🤣
Great video! For my family, we started with citadel since it's pre-mixed colors helped us quickly put paint on the model. Then as your described, we realized there were holes in our paint line. My wife is excellent at mixing paints so when we discovered the Kimera line, we found everything we needed. Kimera for the unique colors, citidael for the basic colors (leather, metal etc) and craft paints for our scenery. We actively try to not accumulate more paint than we can use so we don't waste anything.
That is awesome!
Well, that was fun! Let us know what Painting Myths you want us to look at in one of the next videos! Episode 2 is already filmed and will be out on Vince's channel th-cam.com/users/PhatWOP001 next week!
Kujo gave me some very good advice on limited palettes (and limited brushes, too, lol), and helped me get off my butt and start painting. Everyone has their own style, but one thing from his videos that has helped me is how he uses the same palette, main colors, and lightens or darkens the same paint, or adds a different color into the paint he started with, which helps "tie in" the overall look. Rather than continuously pulling a new bottle off the shelf. I'm not sure I'm expressing the concept very well, but he does it all the time, and it just pulls the composition together so nicely.
love the editing style trov! really smart to use the podcast footage mixed with scripted parts or more in depth bits in editing. wish more channels did this style.
Thanks!
Personally i like the editing. Gives you ways to highlight certain points while cutting unnecessary blabla to keep it short. Also more time for inserting memes. I sometimes even watch vids on 1.25 speed to watch it all in even less time so posting vids uncut would make me watch them later because I wouldn't watch them in between things and instead on evenings only. 20 mins is my limit for watching stuff in a break.
On topic:
As a beginner I really struggled to understand that it wasn't the colour itself making the mini look chalky (never gets old) but how I handled it. I never would have found a good colour hadn't I stopped painting with too much water, that made the pigments pool at the sides, giving it an uneven finish. So for beginners I'd say make good use of the colours you have at first or it gets frustrating fast. i am still fascinated by the difference consistency makes when applying paint.
Keep it up!
Great video, really enjoyed the knowledge and insight from 2 master painters. Invaluable for someone starting and wanting to advance in painting. The mention of being a chef and not a baker, really was an eye opener. Personally, being newer to the hobby, when I started it felt more of trying to be a baker, getting the color and look to match a tutorial or someone else's model. As I learn more it feels more about finding a style and method of painting to achieve my wanted look, aka chef. Thanks and look forward to the next vid.
11:45 the long awaited answer to "should I try every brand!?"
I've long since learned to ignore the FOMO and I'm enjoying playing and learning the colours I have.
Excellent video.... common sense along with expertises! 😎
Buddha and Jesus talking about miniature painting
2020, colorized
Can say that i LOVE it even before finishing the video! Great idea, keep them coming!
Thank you! More to come!
I think this is already my favorite series. Thanks for the great video guys!
Great video. I love the intercut of information and explanations between the interview sections of you and Vince. Can't wait to see more.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Two of my favorite artists. What a treat!
Excellent words. I feel like to add this, a lot of paint feels like a necessity especially when you are a beginner or in the first years. I still like my range to be around 100 colors because (as stated in the video) when you paint armies is a pain to maintain color coherence having to mix the same color each time
Loved the video, can never have enough of you guys in the background while I find new excuses to not paint myself. Suggestion for a new segment:
There doesn't exist a more perfect shiny sphere in the world than Vince's forehead - truth or myth?
This is going to be a real liberating series. Looking forward to many more. Love the editing!
This was an incredible video! Great start to a great series. I love hearing people talk about subjects they love, especially when they're experts in that subject.
For a first video in a new series I think y'all did a fantastic job. I felt like the length and pacing were pretty much perfect-- long enough to give each bullet point it's due and no longer. Great work
Loved this format!
You _cannot_ get every color from yellow, blue, red, black, and white. That will give you a very narrow color gamut (exactly what gamut will depend on the exact pigments you choose). Similarly, CMYK is also a narrow gamut, with significant deficits in saturated reds (for example).
None of which is to say that you need everything, but there is definitely space between having five colors and having everything in a whole company's (or multiple companies') line(s).
As it happens, I like occasionally working with a very limited palette (dioxazine purple, burnt sienna, and zinc white is plenty to do interesting work with, for instance). And working in that kind of constricted space is really useful for understanding what is actually happening with those pigments. Furthermore, the restriction acts as a spur to creativity. I recommend the experience to any serious painter. But I also like working with premixes of a variety of colors for simplicity and reproducibility. And I like having a wide variety of pigments, because mixing cadmium red and cobalt blue will give a different result than mixing quinacridone magenta and phthalo blue (red). And dioxazine purple will give yet another very different result.
Oh, and everybody buys pigment from the same (very limited) list of pigment manufacturers. The differences between good (generally more expensive) and bad (cheap/student grade/craft) paints are much more about how much medium and pigment are in the bottle/tube (relative to filler and whatever thinner the company is using) than in that mythical finely ground pigment.
NB:
For painting rust, iron oxide browns and yellows (siennas, ochres, and umbers), being essentially rust already, work great. And that's true whether you use oils, inks (or "inks"), acrylics, casseins, dry pigments, or whatever.
Another shout out to the editing, much more engaging to watch with the inserted theory and additional explanations. Great work :)
I like the discussion on various brands. I’d agree with the point on style based brand decisions.
Two of my favourite painters in one video, bring me more !
Glad you liked it! More to come!
I like the format. Immolating forward more!! Thank you both!
Thanks!
Brilliant video, some great content right there. I nice mix of critique and positive comments around the subject. Looking forward to seeing what other myths you guys tackle
The intro is fantastic. Great editing
Awesome format. It's nice to have the explanations intermixed with the different topic discussions. Also, the background music was super helpful in knowing which role you were playing without having to look at the screen.
Glad you enjoyed it! And glad the intention with the music translated to the final product :)
Great video guys! I would love to see a similar video about brushes.
Love this kind of video and the editing is superb
Great new series. I'm looking forward to the next episodes. Love the intro!
Glad you enjoy it!
This was brilliant, thank you both!
thank you, more to come :)
I have 20 colors including thinning media and primer. If you want consitancy on an army, its better not mixing. Mixing is a viable option when batch painting or making a centerpiece
First video of yours I've seen. Fantastic!
Whoa thats like my 2 fav painting youtubers together :D
Pair made in heaven, cheers!
more to come :)
@@trovarion Its really rare that actual painters and not content creators/videographers have presence in the internet, we really need more of it in community, You people are best on market right now
You don't need a lot of paints, but it does save wear and tear on your brushes, arm and it does give you a rosey warm feeling inside. ;D
it was very interesting. I want to say you make a super nice job with the montage of the video
Thank you very much!
Great new series, it was fun to watch!
this is so good, love the depth and topic and its presented really well
thanks!
I love the video, I did not skip a second of it, so much value! Please do continue the series, you both are experts in this niche, I would suggest next topic like: Is NMM truly superior to TMM? (even though I already know what Vince thinks about this 😃 )
Glad you enjoyed it!
If I could go back and make a recommendation on purchasing paints to myself when I was first starting out, it would be this: buy the primary and secondary colors, black, white, then a few additional more specific paints once I decided on a color scheme for my army. From there just buying colors that are convenient so that I don't have to mix them every time. You definitely don't need a ton of paints. It does help though to try out a few different ranges, which I've definitely done. That way, I find specific colors in those ranges that I like. I have yet to try a single paint range (I've tried GW, reaper, pro acryl, Vallejo game and model color, scalecolor) that I dislike. If asked, I could and would recommend any of them.
9:50 with whites, I've recently come to appreciate the need for two whites. You might need one with good coverage, this will likely use a titanium pigment; you'll also need a softer, more translucent white for mixing and glazing, which would probably use zinc as a pigment.
When people talk about their difficulties with white and lighter colours, such as their tendency to go chalky, or the way they leave harsh lines that are difficult to blend out, it's most likely because their paint is using titanium to lighten the tint.
in addition, cheaper white paint might involve actual chalk or other extra fillers. Finding a matte zinc white does prove to be quite difficult. Golden matte being OOP didn't help.
One thing I discovered recently, while working on something that's going to be printed, CYMK color reference can be used to produce mixes very close to what you get on screen. You use the cyan, magenta, yellow and black values to know how many parts of what to add, then you use the saturation value of the color to add the required number of white parts. I recently mixed some verdigris, this method made it super fast to achieve a good result. There's actually a lot of red in this color, I wouldn't have guessed! (3 parts cyan / 1 part magenta /2 parts yellow, + 12 parts white for a 33% saturation, if anyone is curious). So take photos or pictures of colors you like, convert them to CYMK and get those juicy references to start making the color you want.
Yes please, want more of this. Love Trov AND Vince.
th-cam.com/play/PLlC3rihj0xo_HuLQu6uVSlizjjYuMKrae.html there is already 3 episodes, here is the playlist
Trovarion Miniatures I meant like in response to the question of would you like to see more of this in the future
Oooh I'm looking forward to watching more episodes 👏
About paints, unfortunately most of us learn the hobby with the marketing of GW instead of colors theory. I am re-learning the art of painting after years of GW "methodology", it's an eye opener. Now I am painting with the CMY paints from Kimera and it's a new world of freedom!
I like both of your styles individually, and your collaboration is very effective. Well done - and looking forward to more like this 👊👍🏻
Thank you so much! Next one will be on Vince's channel as soon as Vince finishes editing it ;)
Ah yes, editing...the great time-sink! I have fond memories of some long editing sessions with my son - finding just the right lighting, music, and transitions - usually peppered with Jimmy Stewart impersonations and much humor. That gives me an idea...
@@chuck-n-debtaylor7553 haha, just like that, yeah. It's fun in itself, but it also takes away time from painting - which sucks a bit. But what can you do.
Yes - only so many hours in a day to spend on the hobbies - as in the rest of life, it’s all about balance. Cheers, and a lovely weekend to you.
That was really cool, love listening to you both bouncing off of each other
it sure was fun to do :)
Awesome video. I definitely had a phase where I was buying paints before I figured out how to use the last ones I bought, but I have recently curtailed my impulses haha. One quick topic I'm curious about is whether metallic paints actually damage brushes, or if that idea is overblown. I don't really like having to keep brushes just for TMM paints.
please do more episodes with Vincent! Thank you. :D
Haha! I learnt 95% of my so called advanced techniques from Vince's videos, and just had to buy the same paints he was using! I am a paintoholic! Wish I was as good as him!!
I really enjoyed this video i am excited for more in this series!
More to come!
This was excellent! Loved the editing and concise, on-point structure!
I believe I am in the middle of my journey as I continue to buy paints to try them out. Some I sell off, some I keep. Recently I've been playing around with oils and heavy body acrylics. After years of painting I am just now starting to mix my own colors and it really has changed the way I paint for the better. Hopefully one day I can find my grove and stick to just a handful of paints.
I think it's wonderful to realise where you are at. that means you see the way behind you and you have a vague understanding of what is in front of you. :) I am sure you will find your groove eventually :)
With the three prime colors plus black and white and you have everything you need. That being said having certain colors at hand is super handy
Omg...that Richard Grey? model Vince mentioned nearly gave me a stroke. Like a gosh darn piece of jewelry...I want to wear that thing around my neck everywhere. That is RIDICULOUSLY, INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL. Holy Kamole!!! I think Vince & Trovarian should paint something like for the significant ladies (or just significant others, doesn't matter) for Valentine's Day. Golly that's gorgeous!! Makes THIS lady SWOON, for sure!!!🤣💖🤣
So--you guys are saying I can paint THAT with a limited palette, right???🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Combat Models definitely need more floral & fruit still life painted on shields, peacock feathers & stuff. 100% 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another great video, always find them helpful!
Glad to hear it!
Great video, you guys are on to something with this format
It just happened over time. I didnt plan on getting alot of paints
Very interesting video for me. I will follow Miniaturepainting Mythbusting!!!
Great stuff trov and Vince. I think I'd like to see a mythbusting on "airbrush is cheating". I'm looking at you, tro tro ;)
haha :D
Can we just have a PSA that drills in "nothing short of taking credit for others' painting is cheating"?
Really Interesting, looking forward to seeing more
Great video. Mid-sentence cuts are a little abrupt in some places but I really like the content and video overall.
Great video. Chefs, not bakers. Very insightful. Oh, and it may be a misprint but the delivery note says there’s 12kg of paint waiting for me back home...
great series
I do have this problem. my two favorite painters, Angel Giraldez and Sorastro have several go to paints(Dark Prussian Blue, Dark Sea Blue and such paints.) and i would buy them up and then just, I dont want to say they wouldnt work, but they just dont work for me. And i still buy paints i see of them that i like the color i have started to learn a bit more of how i paint
This was great!
Loved it. Would love to see you debunking the "Two thin coats / shade with wash / highlith" myth as the only way to paint.
Other easy subjects : "10/0 brushes are required to paint eyes", wetpalette, GW is the best miniature range (sensitive topic).
Great suggestion!
Lol to see a myth debunked . Pigment . Is it better for a paint that has more pigment in it ? Coverage of the paint . What paint brand is better . There a difference is liquid or dry pigment . Myth : contrast paints are just inks with additives and a very high price tag. Myth: companies are gouging thier customers over the fact they know nothing about paints e.g.. you can just use inks or pigment and make your own paints adding mediums that results in cheaper paint .
Good watch 👍
This was amazing and I need more. Preferably right now :-P
yooo trov u lookin good in that light keep it that way
wonderful show! keep going!
Something else with blood for the blood god is that it works well for helmet lenses and the inside of a mouth.
Great video series concept, very interesting watch
thanks mate, appreciate it!
All of them.
Sold 12 paints of my 150ish collection some weeks ago, they were not opened and I thought I´d never use em.
A few days ago I needed 3 of them, and had to buy them again yesterday.....
Give it a few more weeks or months, and I have all 12 again :D
Great video! Makes me wonder how many paints I own that I’ll never use 😅
You and me both!
I think this was a great video. Keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
Great idea. Very interesting topic. Please continue!
Feedback on the form: less cuts please.
I feel like the analogy chef/baker is interesting. there may be a myth to bust here. Can we not achieve great looking models with a methodical approach and by limiting the number of variables (paints, brushes, mediums, models) and focusing on applying techniques in defined sequences? At the end of the day, isn’t that what a pastry chef does to produce delicious good looking cakes? Is the creativity necessarily or mostly in/during the act of painting the model?
One word: inks.
Oh and keep this up guys!
that editing though. it's like watching max headroom
just close your eyes during the first 2 minutes ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯
Trov and Vince on another whirlwind adventure!
Really nice videos and topics!
Yes! I love this!
I think the biggest thing having lots of colors does for me is provide color inspiration. I know I can achieve any color by mixing…but I don’t know if I would think to use, or be inspired to use, specific colors if I hadn’t seen them in my collection first.
Oh, I absolutely understand that :)
I like this sort of videos.
Great video!
But the main question is still unanswered: what type of varnish creates this fantastic shine on Vince´s forehead. Outstanding result. Sure, the excellent base model makes it easy, but still... ;)
Most of what that has been covered excluded one most important issue of paints . Consistancy of the product from the name manufacturer . Having a reliable color is probably pretty important . Probably why most artists rely on a certain paint same as why everyone has a go to paint brush that doesn't split .
Yes more plz
Funny thing to note, if you shift over to magenta, cyan and the more gold yellow, you get better mixing (on the triangle shift it one spot over on the color wheel). It's the same reason why your printer uses cmyk ink and not bryb ink.
Not sure you watched the whole video 🤔
I’ve been stuck on this question for a while; can you still paint miniatures if you don’t play tabletop games?
Of course. Trovarian doesn't play from what I recall.
I play, but I also paint minis I never intend to play with because I want to paint them.
maaaaaaaaaaaate :) of course you can...it's the most satisfying hobby in the world just to paint and have fun with the minis, like create cool scenery around it and dioramas...or just paint them up pretty! go and try it :)
Can you? Nay, you MUST, especially if you don't play! Like me, but more from lack of opportunities. It's fun getting your minis on the table, but you can paint single models for D&D, or just for your own enjoyment.
i dont play tabletop games, but i've been printing minis nonstop eversince i got my resin printer just because they are so cool to look at, still waiting for my first batch of paints to come so i can practice painting
I don’t play. Love painting minis. I’m painting some Stormcast Eternals right now. Purely because I love the sculpts. Can’t imagine a scenario where they will ever make it to a table. Don’t care. Doesn’t detract from my enjoyment. I just want to feel satisfied with the finished piece/s.
I think I might like collecting paint more than minis 😂
It's not so much that anyone thinks one needs a lot of paints ... we just WANT lots of paints. I have to slap myself from buying new paints when I'm near the Vallejo rack!
Pretty cool, definitely would like to see more. But to be honest if someone already settled with an idea of him in need of "just some more" - you will have not much luck to turn him of that.
Every mini painter will tell you that you don’t need that many paints,
while also themselves having a crippling paint buying addiction.
I would like to know if it is necessary to buy every new figure that comes out because I live on a budget yes or no ?